United A Mess, Faith Lost in Arsenal & Title Race Over? | Stick to Football 72
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You know what I mean? If Roy asked for a bowl, you'd give him a bowl, wouldn't you? Do you want a bowl? Walking around a bit cocky with your beanie hat on, Liverpool won the league. Right, he got me this. Did he? Yeah, there you go. Brand placement. I'm not saying we won the league, though. Were you at City? No, didn't go home. All good? You OK, lad? Using your adverts? No, eating blueberries. You getting sponsored by them, though? This episode of City Football is brought to you by blueberries. They're full of antioxidants...

What's the name? What's with the... Biniac. That's what I said. You've noticed it as well. He noticed it on his head. Even your Liverpool mates noticed it. Right, he got it. Did you even notice it on his head? Not noticed it, it's like a bit of a... It's like that fella from... Was it Coronation Street or Emmerdale? Benny. Benny. What's he from? Benny from... Crossroads. Crossroads. Hi, guys. OK. Hi, Jill. Hello. This way.

You know what I was thinking about? Do you coordinate now before you come in? No, actually, I've just realised that. Do you remember Brookside? Yeah, yeah. I used to like Brookside, yeah. What soaps have we got now? Emmerdale's still going. Emmerdale, EastEnders, Covenation Street, Holyoak. The best soaps was Dallas. What's that? Dallas. They're giving me shit for the hat.

No, man, your hat looks good. Who gave you shit? These two. Who gave you shit for? Honestly. Who gave you shit, Kev? These two. Who gave him shit about his hat? Yeah. Why are you talking about his hat? The emperor asked why he's wearing a hat. Why are you asking him that for? Both of you don't want to wear hats. Are you talking to somebody who wants to wear hats? Don't feel like one today. He's had his head. Had a nice shave from Leila. Have you seen this? Did you see the Cunha video? You know, I can burst into tears sometimes, but...

I've watched this video. Oh, is it the wolves? Honestly, I swear, it's so beautiful. Have you seen it? No. Rod, watch this little boy, right? Watch. Don't forget this, OK? It's like this? He wants you to do this. I like it. Yeah, he kept... Kunya, yeah. And then watch. Oh, that's so cute. But wait a minute. Goes back. Back to visit him. Oh, that's a good boyfriend. Oh, that's a good boyfriend.

Hey, how are you? Nice to meet you. Are you good? Yeah, I can go in? Can you come in? Yeah, thank you. Excuse me. We have some gifts for you. You need to see if you like. Yeah, we can sit here?

I bring you some new things. I know you have already won. They don't do nothing. They don't highlight enough of this. You know what? Don't footballers do good stuff? This is what I'm saying. You know what I mean? Honestly, you've got to watch that. Everyone likes football. You know what the thing is? This is what I'm saying. You know when we have to do it? Especially when we have to do that at Christmas when you go to the hospitals. That was one of the most harrowing times because you know that they're really sick. Yeah. But honestly, it makes you realise how fortunate you are now. That's lovely. What football can give you.

That was lovely last night. The Palace's last goal. The ex-Arsenal had scored. Eddie. Did you see the players' reaction to it? It was beautiful, wasn't it? You know what it is. They obviously knew how much it meant to them. I like Nketiah as well. Yeah, well, listen, whatever. Yeah, why wouldn't you? But you could see he's been struggling. He's gone to a new club. It's not happened for him. And that was the fourth goal. So the game was already over. But the reaction of the players was beautiful. It's nice because they know. You know what it is?

As a forward, especially you're going there, he's come from Arsenal. Beautiful. He's gone there from, like, the Palace fans are saying, what have we done? What have we bought? I know that he's capable of something, but he's got to, somewhere in himself, he's got to find it and get it out there. So when you see the players celebrate with him, they want it for him as well because they know if he gets to that kind of, that form, he's going to help them. It was lovely. Really nice. Really nice. Hang on a minute. It's wire. Where's me man? Look. He should be still at Arsenal.

New phone. Oh, here we go. My phone died last week. Give it here. We finally got a new screen, a new phone. Roy Keane. My phone just died. It was on its last legs, though. I couldn't get my stuff, all my information. That explains why he's not texting me back for a few weeks. Yeah. I understand, but...

No, you have to press both. Can we just switch it off? Can you switch it off? Yes. No, not altogether off. Just try to argue more. Don't switch it off altogether. Because your voice went... Gravelous. You know, you left. You gutted you left.

But, like, when you... His voice went. Oh, it went. That's when you should have started singing Morrissey or you should have started singing something because your voice would have been ready for it. I know, my voice went completely. Where? When? Last week, yeah. Oh, your birthday was so good. Lovely, well done. It was so good. Happy girl, did you feel under pressure? How did you feel? I'm glad it's done. Yeah, I'm glad it's done now, I think, yeah. Yeah, I enjoyed the Tuesday. It was lovely. What was the highlight? I mean, I think cacao. When it was over? Oh, cacao was funny. You like the cacao? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Did you seriously? I like bits of it. You know what, the thing with the cacao, it's one of those that has to go for a while for you to get into it. Yeah. The only thing I'd say, but the guests, people you said you've known a long time and you wanted to be there, I'm like, Riley and Jill were there. Did you feel you had to invite them because of the podcast? No, because we love them. You don't know the two of you. They're part of the family.

He got rid of all his friends, didn't he? Yeah, but he does know Dylan. I hate that they were there, that he felt he had to bring them. You know what? At least we were dancing. You never got up once. Righty. You were so annoying. You know what's annoying with him? He's sitting there, he's going like this, dancing on the chair. Oh, Righty, you were so annoying. You were so annoying. How was I annoying? You know, you go to a party, but some people don't want to... I enjoy watching people dance. I never ever want to...

I like watching my family dance. You've had your say. I never once said to him, come and dance. There's other people not dancing and people come up to you going, oh, dance? There's other people not dancing. And listen to this guy here. For two days, right, he's like this, on the hike. Oh, my knee. Oh, my knee. Oh, my knee. Then Prince comes on. LAUGHTER

I got Michael Jackson's in the house. Friday's dancing, I'm going, you couldn't walk for two days? We did 12 hours dancing over two days. And that's fine, but what's wrong with people who don't want to dance? You just look a bit moody. No, I'm not moody, I was loving it. Christ's sake, I'm sick of it. People go, oh, come on, dance, I don't want to fucking dance. I danced for years and people go, get off the dance floor. No, I don't want to dance. People say, get on the dance floor. You know what?

You haven't danced for years. You haven't danced for years. No, I dance at home. You were so annoying. But there's other people not dancing. No one was going over to them. You didn't go to anybody else, Jill. Yeah, everybody else got up. No, no, not everybody else got up. No, no, no. Hold on a second. I thought everyone got up. I think there was enough dancing done by the Keane family. Thank you. Thank you. Honestly, the Keane family were well represented on the dance floor.

Very well represented on the dance floor. Let's leave that alone. That's still going on. Right, how annoying was he on the quiz? You know, obviously when you're in the teams for the quiz. Yeah, but that's what happens with him. He takes over everything and turns it. Yeah, you did. It makes you feel so useless and shouts at you then to get the answer. And then he says, see, I told you. That's what I thought it was. What was the question about the car? And it was like, was it 60 million, 70 million?

70 million or 80 million we said 70 and you were going it's 60 it's 60 so I was like right let's just put Roy's answer down because else he's going to kick off so we'll put 60 down and then he started shouting it as when he said 70 I was like yeah and he went well obviously Jill I didn't add the vat he was like did you not put the vat on and I'm like you can't be

Can't be wrong. Brilliant though, girl. How many more podcasts have we got left? Before what? Before the end of the season, yeah. About, probably about seven or eight. Seven or eight. Why are you leaving? Not enough. Just abuse. Abuse?

I had a great time. Brilliant time. Absolutely brilliant time. It was good, it was good. Everyone can go on the dance floor. Well done, girl. And the quiz, you're useless at quizzes. Jill, you talk like you're 11 going, I don't remember that, I don't remember this. I'm 12 years younger than you. But you didn't answer any questions. Yes, I did. And righty was in the corner with his bottle of wine with his wife. You're going, righty, join in. You're like, you're there, but you're not there. You know what I mean? I wasn't there, I was answering the questions. You didn't answer any questions. You didn't answer any questions. I answered the questions.

You didn't answer any questions. Who got Neville Chamberlain? Did you get Neville Chamberlain? What was that one for? For the Neville, obviously. A question. So the Prime Minister with Neville. Did you get Neville Chamberlain? You were wrong when he was there. That's it. Our quiz here was the best as well. No, Julian. That's why you drag it. Honestly. Yeah. I thought I had a really good time, but...

What's good on your table? He's just too competitive. At least, James was, I love James. James was one of those guys on a dance floor with his drink and it doesn't matter who's in the way, he'll do any move. There was one move Jamie could do in this movie. Like,

If I was going through that goal, I'd score that route 18 against Aston Villa. Celebrate him. Brilliant girl. What was the song Piano Man when you were kicking off with the band? You can't look up the lyrics. Tell you what, you're only critical, aren't you? I know. Good, the band were excellent.

What excellent. You know them people at a party. I know them all. You remember everything that's happened. You know, you wake up the next day, oh, do you remember? Oh, you said, oh, remember that? No, but it was funny. You know, that's why you go, oh, get over it. Yeah, avoid Jill. Same with Nev, and it was out of Ben. You know, people walk around with a glass of wine, and obviously I study people, right? I take in things. I used to play midfield. No, I have to watch things. I'm a midfielder. You expect danger. Who's going to kick off? Who's going to try and pull somebody? Whatever. Who's watching? Who's watching?

I watch people. There was people walking home with a glass of wine for two days. The same glass of wine. They weren't even drinking. They were like, oh, aren't I cool? And I'm like, drink it. You know, people wanted to... You wasn't drinking. No, it got topped up. A glass of wine and you were... Well, it wasn't getting topped up. It was. I was watching you. It was. To be honest, Gal, we never wanted for anything. It's brilliant, Gal. It was really good. Are they close friends of yours? Was it? No. No, they were...

They were very good. They were the Bruce Springsteen guy. No, no, the Irish band. Picture this, picture this. I love this. They were singing. They were looking at the phone.

And I was thinking, I know it's not their song. Yeah, that was just a couple of things at the end. We asked them for, what was it called? A live lounge. I think we asked them to do a live lounge. Yeah, we asked them for songs. Obviously, it's fair enough, isn't it? It wasn't in the set, was it? Yeah. Do you know, the security drag joke, so that was all right. His wife. Yeah, sorry, that was your wife. Billy Joel, Billy Joel. Oh.

But it was lovely, Neb. Yeah, your family should be proud. Beautiful. Really nice. Thank you. Saying that was freezing up there, wasn't it? That cold water. I didn't warm up till Thursday. You did the cold water thing, yeah? It was so cold. The lead singer, did you see the size of his coat? And no wonder you were dancing all night. You didn't know what you were going to say then. Good job, you snake.

No wonder you were dancing, to keep warm. It was cold, wasn't it? Was there any benefit from that cold water? Oh, I don't care. You know what I've done as well, Jane? Because the water was so cold when I went in, I cut my toe. And I didn't feel it until we warmed up. It was terrible, right on the nail, cut it right there. It didn't bother you when Prince came on, did it? No, to be honest, when Prince comes on, I have to do my bit. That's how you were like, you're all day spent for Palace, so you're sprinting. Yeah.

You were good. You were good. Do you see my moves? You were very good. I didn't want to say anything. Oh, there would be. Jill thinks everything you do is good. Just because she's like my sis. MUSIC

He's a guy who holds the ball up and there's people trying to run it off him. You can't plan on one player being fit and your whole egg's in one basket. I'm sorry, that is not right. Tony Adams was there. Yeah, because he was a fighter. If Bruno's not there, United are in the relegation places. It's an absolute mess. The club has run out of cash. It's like a scam by United. The thing

he's a good player but I don't know if he's a good captain you said that hierarchy would fall away as soon as Klopp went no I generally think that FSG aren't as popular with Liverpool fans you mean social media they're absolute cranks oh my god Liverpool need a striker Arsenal need a striker why aren't they buying them because they're not out there James is now monitoring every move just go

Liverpool, have they won the league? Of course. Yeah. It's done. Yeah. You know something? Being in second, it sounds very negative, me saying that, but you have to look at what they're doing in February, what they've done up to this point, a great start there to the season. People saying, oh, it's an easy start. They've had it apart from Forest. But they've done everything out how you'd expect them to. It's not been tested yet, have they? No, I haven't played anyone. You know, it's like, for me, with Slott especially,

What he's done, especially with those three guys, with Virg, with Trent, and with Salah, quieting that noise, even when people were trying to bring the noise up, to steady it like that and then still...

marching to it like this you have to say that they'd have easily in prime position you know because I haven't mentioned this before I was thinking about you just mentioned the Forest game and the Forest game came really early in the season it's one of those results where you're going ooh and don't forget under Klopp Liverpool never really never like went like such a year without losing at home so you're thinking ooh

And I think a game that was really important, nothing to do with the league, they played AC Milan away. A few days later. A few days later, they were going to beat one. I think AC Milan scored within three or four minutes. And it was that thing of like, they ended up winning, I think it was 3-1, 2-1 or 3-1. And I just look back at that game, sort of now because you've just mentioned Forrest, and thinking that was a big moment for the manager there. You know if you go lose it all to Forrest,

I don't know if Milan might have been the first game of the Champions League. You lose away, you get beat 1-0. That was probably a massive turning point, that AC Milan game away from home. They're not the AC Milan of old, but it's still the San Siro, AC Milan, you know, a big game. So that was probably a big game. And you know what as well? They've got the three players as well. I mentioned Virgil. Obviously, you have to mention Gravenberg. But we're looking at Mo Salah having...

I think it's one of the greatest seasons ever. He's just absolutely incredible. He's definitely been my favourite player of the season. Did you think it was crazy how City set up against them with Foden as the nine? Well, Foden was poor anyway, wasn't he? Whatever it is. He has a nice season, doesn't he? He's nice, really off. Even his first few touches were proper bonks and off. City are way off it, aren't they? They are way.

Yeah, I think he was good in there at like, obviously keep the first 10, 15 minutes. I thought, hmm, this could be all right. But obviously because we're missing Haaland, so they thought we're going to avoid that Van Dijk put forward in there, obviously just to add a number. But then when they were, like he was coming out, they then missed the runner in behind him. I think with Bambouche, should have made it. Maybe, maybe. Yeah, but then a lot of times then he was kind of chasing back a little. But isn't it amazing, you look at Arsenal, we talk about Arsenal having a striker, obviously Haaland's struggling with it.

And these big clubs who spend fortunes haven't got a backup striker. Isn't that bizarre? When we played United or you played Liverpool, you always had four or five really decent strikers. Some were squad players that would come in and do a job. They wouldn't be your main men. And City are going into a big game and City are trying to get back

Get back in the race for top four. And they've got no recognised striker for a big club we've spent four. Isn't it mad? Arsenal are playing against West Ham. They've no recognised... At your whole football club, no recognised striker. For all your planning and recruitment, people must be sitting there going, just what if it happens to our main striker? Especially when you look at how they just went... Once Moosh came, they went, bam, just went and got him. You've got to go and get that person. You've got to go and get that person. Like, look at us.

Like three years we've needed a striker, five windows. I actually thought Foden was doing okay in the first ten minutes. I'm sure I saw Slott come down to the actual touchline and say to Van Dijk, go in. Yeah, he did. And he literally followed him in the next time. It was almost from that point on, it was almost like you never saw him again because he then started going deeper, obviously, beyond the field. And I thought the first ten minutes, I thought, actually, probably just caught him out a little bit.

and obviously he played but City did get into good positions they did put some balls across the box you weren't looking at City going they're all over the place they're not at it but you're going but again them balls into the middle of the box you're going but there's no there's no physical point the thing is even with Dockery even with Dockery he's doing well on that side

But he was doing exactly the same thing. He was going to come in and try to... And they just had that blocked off, whether it was Calate or... And it seemed like that was their only avenue. The position we were in in the studio, we were right on top of that arm. And every time Doku went to that sack, and then you'd look up and Van Dijk and Canfield just stood there. But the work rate of Mo Salah to get back in the eye line of Doku. So every time he got past Trent, he's then got Mo Salah there. And everybody always looks at when teams are doing well going forward. But Liverpool, the recovery to get back,

I think that's been one of the things. It's more saddening, I know, with them strikers. I know he's getting his deplorits now, but over the last few years, there's still a few little doubts about him. He had his little fallout with a clop last year and he was taken off. I was never putting Sal out there, but after this year, I always rate him. Of course, I thought he was a brilliant one, but this year I'm going, no, I'm putting you in the mix. It's really interesting because Liverpool fans love him. Turned out to be in the Ballon d'Or, being one of the best players. We've got the contract stuff.

But the second half of last season was the first time I could almost, you could feel it with supporters like, this is, this is the time to cash in here. Because the year before, it was like... But they didn't turn on him, though, did they, Jimmy? Did they turn on him even when he had his little bust up? You always said Liverpool fans would always back the manager. Yeah. But they didn't turn on him either. And there was a few tantrums, wasn't there? There was not one. I thought there was maybe three or four, wasn't there? When he got taken off. Yeah, a few little bits and pieces. He went to the African Cup of Nations last...

last season come back and he wasn't the same player and it was the first time you could ever go oh he was injured wasn't fully fit and it was a case of Liverpool turned down I think about probably about £120-150 million the season before for him when the Saudi thing first kicked off and it was like okay can we still get that money a year later but he ended up staying and I think what the version of Mo Salah now

is much better than even his first season, which his first season, I think he got 47 goals, I think. But this is a complete package now rather than just a goal score. He's done an interview not too long ago, a few weeks back now, and people were talking about

Some people are saying that sometimes in games he kind of disappears out of the game, but then all of a sudden he comes. He says, but I've realised at this stage of my career that it's the game. It's about moments. It's about moments and delivering in the moments. And like I said, I don't think I've seen for many, many years, I know with Thierry he was doing his great stuff when he was playing, but somebody's been so consistent with...

Do you know who I think they all watch, Riley? I think these top players would watch people like Messi and watch how their careers keep going on. And again, it is these lads go, I'll come back maybe and I'll slot him, but they're not going to be tackling people and chasing people. They might come back into position, but they're like, I'll be judged on what I do when I get the ball. Yeah.

and if they're producing you forgive all the other bits I used to get annoyed with Eric sometimes I go Eric you win one and he scores but I think he's doing both though at the minute I think he did both in that game what I would say is I think it's him but also I think it's a tactic from them not a tactic as such but I think the manager's clever enough when you actually watch Liverpool if you're looking down on all the players that are on the pitch

you'll see Mo Salah standing on the right wing basically when Liverpool are defending and Liverpool have had joy from that in terms of counter-attacking and I can never get out of my head when we first went with Sky to the Champions League games in Barcelona and the view we used to go right to the top do you remember when we'd look down on the game and

and Messi would just be walking he wouldn't move and you'd be like you can't criticise Messi you're almost transfixed by what he's doing the game's going on here but you're thinking what is he doing where's he going and he'd be constantly just checking his shoulders with him and as soon as he needed to come alive and I think Mo Salah's got a little bit about him this season of like

Is experience, maturity, I don't need to be here, but I'm going to come alive. But isn't that intelligence? Yes. Isn't that proper football intelligence? But picking the right moments, because sometimes players like to say, I'll just drift out of the game, and they can't get back into it. But as you said, Messi, we've all seen videos where there's just cameras on Messi. Yeah.

And he is watching it. He's just looking. He's just prowling. Roy, you get to another level when you're a player. You're able... See some players and they say, look at him. Look at his body. Look at him. He's just walking around. You get to a level with what Messi's taking and obviously Mo's at that level. Well, they can walk him back because he said, yeah, but he's going to come alive in a minute. But we couldn't do that, the positions we played in. Did you get to that? Because you played on to later. It wasn't your style, was it really? No, I had to keep moving. But especially with someone like George Graham.

I was thinking more later when you were at Silver West. Even with Wenger, you had to be constantly on the move. I wasn't that player where they seemed that they could drop in and pick the ball up and zoom at people. I was on the furthest line up forward, on the shoulder. I think for United, Eric did it a little bit, but I think Cristiano was the first person that I ever saw not defend

And I couldn't get my head around it for a period. And I spoke about this, where he's in front of me on the right wing. I was thinking... Did the manager say he didn't have to? No. It got to a point where we all accepted when his numbers started to get to the 35-40 season, you almost said, do what you want. It almost gets to that point where you say, I'm sorry, there has to be a different rule for him, which to be fair doesn't exist in a team, particularly one team that's working really hard to do well.

But you have to be getting them numbers. You can't be getting 15 goals. You have to be that. You have to be big numbers and you have to be something very special and win games constantly for your team. And Salah is in a golden moment. I mean, obviously the goals, the sort of assists, all the things. I said this to you the other day. When did he start becoming someone who could hold off six foot two defenders? Hold it, pin them, bring it down and just pop it off? Yeah. I mean, Alisson's knocking balls to him. And I'm like, as a defender, I've got...

I've got to stand in front of him. I've got to try and wrestle him. But he's holding off Guardiola on Sunday. It's his balance and everything. That's just been a super good pro. When did he start doing that? He is a really good footballer. It's because of his persona. He's gone somewhere else. Right to death of him, aren't they? Absolutely petrified because you look at someone like Guardiola, who is bigger than him, but once he's got in a position and the ball is coming in and it's controlling him,

Guardiola now is shitting himself. Yeah. And Mo knows that. That's the thing. He knows that now. Where does this rank in terms of managers' achievements? Because none of us had Liverpool winning the league and there are not many people in this country had Liverpool winning the league this year with Klopp leaving. No one saw that coming. Yeah, but... Absolutely. No one had Liverpool winning the league. I didn't say they were... But last year, they were in the mix with more five, six games to go. No, I know. I'm not saying it's a shock, but when you get...

back to the start of the season let's not rewrite history no signings losing Klopp new manager hang on a minute this is this is sort of like this could go a little but isn't it great also you're trying to put yourself with the Liverpool players and Klopp is amazing

amazing manager but sometimes players are ready for a chance I know people talk but when do we rank it where do we rank this in terms of where do we rank this in terms of managerial injuries have affected City and Arsenal so bad haven't they I think Mourinho would still probably just rank above it for me Chelsea had never won a league title for a lot you know what I mean so for me Chelsea probably don't you think that Liverpool Chelsea this season before

had finished second my point being is Chelsea have been both like we're just spending 50-60 I mean Ranieri at least is the top one of all time yeah I think to me Jose and Slot is the one that I'm looking at I think I think I think Slot and probably Wenger winning the double

Even though Wenger had come in the year before, but he was happy to... It took a couple of years, yeah. No, no, it was his first full season. Yeah, but he was still in the previous season. Yeah, I get that, but what I'm saying is, Arsenal were a team who were finishing fifth and sixth. I think Arsenal maybe finished fifth or sixth. Wenger had been there, so OK. But to win the double in his first season, full season, but Slott doing it without no... So probably Slott might win. Do we know Slott will win the league? I've got him as manager of the year. I think Ranieri and then probably Slott. Because I think that what he's done coming in

And again, he's not even his players. But this is where I give Klopp credit. I'm going to give Klopp credit. Klopp knew a few months ago, like he was, I don't know, but he left good stuff behind him. United managers are coming in now going, they're dealing with...

Rubbish. At least Slatt would have gone in there going, there's something there. There's a foundation there for me to try and... And obviously the surprise was he didn't really bring any players in. You mentioned he brought one in. So that's why I gave Klopp a little bit. He gave him something. There was something there for him to... But of course, getting over the line is obviously a lot more difficult. The thing about Gravenberg and Gakpa, and I always say this, we always talk about managers and recruitment. And of course, every manager lives and dies by his recruitment, the players he brings in. We use it as a stick to beat them with or, you know, whatever.

but I think something really underestimated then is when a new manager comes in he's got 22, 25 players who aren't his he hasn't bought them but

this idea that they're not his players he's got to do something with them he has to this thing like right now with Man United what he's doing with Gravenberch and the New Demand field players Curtis Jones and people like that unbelievable but what I'm saying is he hasn't bought anyone but he's made players in the squad who he didn't buy better that's a manager's job yeah of course it's not just a buy sorry but isn't it also easier sometimes for a manager imagine if they came in and said to Liverpool last summer you've 200 million to spend then but

sometimes for a manager it's nice to have no options going no you've got to walk with these lads you've got to make them better and they're all good players don't get me wrong sorry over complicated sometimes listen sometimes we talk about recruitment but also an easy thing for a manager going listen you have to walk with these lads who are decent players you won a trophy last year and nearly you know

With four or five games to go, they were still maybe thinking they could win the league. So there was something to work with. But he thought, at least I don't have to get bogged down by trying to get lads in. Do you know what I think was important, Roy? I'm interested in what they do this summer. And we probably say this was a negative. We also have a tournament, don't we, being a negative for new managers coming in? You know, he doesn't get the players back until whenever. And he hasn't had them from the first day of pre-season. In some ways, that may have helped Liverpool because I think the noise coming from the club was,

we're not going in the mouth of players because he hasn't seen his squad yet it was almost this case of he doesn't know what they're like and it was they all come back then the pre-season starts like okay okay and then basically they only went for one player it wasn't like three or four they went for one player the midfield player and they didn't get him the management to be fair above him also needs some massive credit you know we also to be fair sometimes say that ultimately you know they've not panicked have they you know the people who've come in the guy who's obviously he's come back and sorry

the guy bobbing but my tissue is coming from Bournemouth yeah and then there's a way in which they've recruited or not recruited and not panicked but if they started badly Nev if you start well and everything I get that but it's like when you're winning everything's fine there is a calmness about how they do things and they were doing things for previous seven or eight years there's a calmness about how they've recruited they never overpay that much Nunez probably the exception they never really overpay that much they tend to stick do you think that's the way to do it no no

I'm saying what they've done at Liverpool is what to be fair maybe used to happen what happens at a successful club but Pep to be honest with you they've been quite smart in their recruitment haven't they you know what I mean over the last few years you said that hierarchy would fall away as soon as Klopp went no you did you did let me finish my point was I generally think that FSG aren't as popular with Liverpool fans because you read social media they're absolute cranks oh my god

FSG aren't as popular as they should be for what they've done at Liverpool and if they didn't invest and then the team started to be fair nosedive which I thought after Klopp they would to be fair nosedive a little bit and go down into sort of 4th, 5th, 6th I thought that's where they'd be this season I had them outside the Champions League place I think I had them in 5th which maybe still will be a Champions League place I think to be fair they were on the edge I think with fans fans would have turned quite quickly on them and you know that

My point is... And I'm saying these people... But to hold their nerve like they did against that and not sign anybody and not go into the transfer window and stay calm, it's hard to do that. I know what you've got to do. You see with Gravenberch and these emergence, especially as they went for Zubimendi, he's like a new signing for a position at Liverpool that they needed. Yeah.

That they needed. And that in itself can energise. That in itself can energise. Because when you look at how good he's been, and then obviously Salah's form, I think Virgil's playing as... He's playing great. He's playing as good as when he first got there for me, Virgil. And then even the substitutes are coming on and making a difference. And we're talking about a league where City have kind of fallen off. Arsenal can't really compete, obviously, in respects of the forwards and the goals to try and...

to catch Liverpool. It just feels... And the young goalkeeper, Donal Keller, when he came in for a while, they've had setbacks with important players and it just... It's worked nicely for them but they've taken full advantage of the opportunity. Do you think we overlooked the Liverpool winning COVID times? Because didn't they win it with like seven games to go? I feel like we do. That was a big one, wasn't it? Seven games to go.

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Bad news for Slotty, or not bad news really, he's been banned for two matches for his confronting match. Oh, was that the hand-brake? Breaking news. No, but everyone keeps saying how calm he's been. He's had more than a card in anyone I know. That was a test for him, obviously losing the derby in the last minute, he drew the derby in the last minute, he definitely had gone the nana, you saw him that night and you thought, that's where, I mean he'll come to Arsenal in a minute in terms of Arsenal,

not applying that pressure from winning on Saturday and getting to within five points and potentially coming out of the weekend where it's actually in Arsenal's hands that's where the weekend was that swing from being potentially five points to eleven is like huge you thought the weekend you thought this weekend could have been on because I could tell on the text no I

You were all... No, do you know something? He was just... He really wanted to watch an Arsenal game and really be fully invested in it. No, but what it tells you is, to be fair, is that I genuinely believe that if City weren't going to win the league, Arsenal would be there to win it.

and the idea when you win it first time sometimes you come from behind and Liverpool have dropped points in the last few weeks they've drawn four in eight which is to be fair that's given you a massive chance for Arsenal not to be there to not be there on the shoulder on Saturday night honestly I think that really they take a massive dent in my view because I've got the Arsenal team I thought they'd win the league this year

When we were all fit, you mean? The point is, alrighty, so this is a team... But they're not really nervous. Where I'm at with Arsenal is that two years ago, Ossoliba got injured, so we can't win the league. That was the view at that time because they dropped off. Ian said that, and I'll stick by that. So what they then go and do is they then go and buy a gluttony of defenders to be able to cover that position.

Did they not think that they were short in the striking positions in the last 12 months and that they might be in a position where Havertz could get injured or that Saka might get injured at a certain point? He played every single game like Salah. So my point is to leave yourselves open for 12 months when Arsenal fans more than anybody, you've been saying it on air for so long. I think you said on air pre-Christmas they need to bring a striker in in January. They haven't brought a striker in in January, Ian.

They haven't bought three years, five wins. They haven't bought a striker in three years. Now, they lost the title three years ago. This is a team now that hardened to go in title races. They're two title races. This is not like babies anymore in title races. They know what it's about. Last year, they were close. You're thinking...

Don't leave yourself short. Roy's just talked before about us having three or four strikers at United. Liverpool have got five or six forwards that they can call upon. To Arsenal? I disagree with this. You see there's nothing in the market, but to leave yourself without a striker, if you're a competent recruitment department, and I won't forget about United because I know you'll come on to that shortly. If you're a competent recruitment department, you cannot leave yourselves without a striker as backup for Habermas. Well, obviously, you're looking at us at the moment. We're not competent enough.

Because when you look at what we've done last season to try and chase City down and get close, and then in the summer we bought Califiori and Mourinho, when we know we've needed a striker, you're thinking to yourself, OK, we'll see how it goes. He obviously feels that we've got enough. What a mistake, though, that is. Well, it is a mistake. You knew they didn't have enough. The Arsenal fans knew they didn't have enough. Everybody knows. We knew they didn't have enough. I'm confused as to why they haven't gone all out to try and get that striker back.

You know, especially even before Saka was injured, even before Jesus was in, we needed more cover up front. So you look at it and you think to yourself, I don't know what's going on upstairs. And then when this January came...

And especially you're talking about Liverpool and we should be catching them in that. We haven't got any strike. We haven't got no one to score the goals. But it is hard in January, though, right? It's very hard in January. It's hard in January, but people have done it. And the thing is, is that if we are trying to win the league, you have to do more. You have to try and do something. I don't think we've done enough. I...

I've got a lot of sympathy for Arteta. Me too. And I'll tell you why. The ball, they're not backing him right now. What I would say is, January on the back of Jesus doing the cruciate, can you get anybody even on loan a body to cover Havard? Anybody. But it's easy for us to say now, last season. Now, we think Liverpool are going to win the league. Who are Liverpool's two strikers? Jota and Nunes. Are they amazing?

Are they better than what Arsenal have got in Jesus and Havertz, really? I take Jota's finishing. Yes, but does then Jota give you what Havertz does in terms of pressing, holding the ball up, set pieces at the end? So what I'm saying is we're not talking that Liverpool have got something that Arsenal haven't got. But Arteta didn't like Jesus. What's that? Arteta didn't really fancy Jesus as a striker. He's not fancied him for a year and a half. He's hardly played him. I know, but what I'm saying is he's there. So he's got Havertz there. He was actually the centre-forward for Germany. Yeah. OK, so my point being is that that centre-forward position, the team who are going to win the league...

And not levels above Arsenal in terms of who they have. Liverpool have played Diaz as centre forward for most of this season. Now, the thing for me is, the reason I've got sympathy for him because I know you want someone who's going to get another 10 goals more than... Let's say Havertz has a 15 to 20 goal a season, man. You want a 25 to 30. I get that.

But you also don't want to lose what Havard gives you because he gives you a lot for the team. So it's a tough balancing act that. OK, we'll get a guy who gets another 10 goals, but he might not hold the ball up. Does he press? That's why maybe they went for Watkins. But when I look at Arsenal's striking options in Jesus and Havard, and then I look at the left wing options in Martinelli and Trossard, I think they're weaker at left wing than they are at centre forward.

I'm not sure about that. No, that's what I believe. I might be wrong, but that's what I would say. And for me, when I think of, say, Liverpool, for me, you know, even a goal scorer, their goal scorer comes on the other side, so they've got Salah. But was there a left winger there? Martinelli and Trossard are not players to win, to play for a team... I'm not talking about actually signing a striker that's 40 goals a season, actually, for Arsenal. I'm talking about... Options. I'm talking about, if you had a Giroud... Giroud's not a...

not Giroud now, I'm talking about if you had a Giroud type player that could play up there as a striker, bring people into play, that was a focal point for a team, they would completely transform the rest of them anyway. So it doesn't have to be a 25-year-old. But he was slaughtered when he was there, didn't he? No, my point is, I'm talking about a style of player, not someone who scores 30 goals. I'm talking about someone who plays the position really well, holds his position up front, occupies defenders, makes the other players have more space, makes runs that maybe are clever. That's what Tavita's supposed to do. But if...

you can't plan on one player being fit and your whole eggs in one basket I'm sorry that is not right and

I know, and that's why they had Jesus, and when he's got a cruciate injury, they should have brought a body in. Everyone's known Arsenal needed to sign a striker for 12 to 18 months. We said it last season, we've said it this season at the start, we said it this season in January. I've had enough of this talk about strikers, right? Everyone out there says, Liverpool need a striker, Arsenal need a striker, Man United need a striker, Chelsea need a striker. Why aren't they buying them? Because they're not out there. Oh.

Everyone in this league besides Man City and Newcastle say they want a striker. So why aren't they buying them? Where are these strikers? Tell me the name. Well, Mahmoud is just signed for City. He's not an out-and-out striker. He's started to score goals. I'm talking about someone who can play centrally up front. My point is, Arsenal are the biggest league in the world with the most money and none of them have got strikers. We've needed more firepower. We've needed more cover. He's not signed a striker for three years. You're looking at someone like Saka. We've seen Saka's form for England and for Arsenal at some stage

we needed some backup for him in the forward position. You look at someone like Mahmoud, you think to yourself, wow, that is somebody that you think, wow, you could have got someone like him. Yeah. Of course you could. Then you got someone like Jesus, who is a bit injury prone. You mentioned Arteta doesn't fancy him down the centre. Not really. Right? So we needed backup for that as well. The problem I've got is, is that...

Like Jamie said, where are we going to find that person? It's going to be a gamble, whoever it is. Look how much you're paying for Hoyland. Look what you're paying for Darwin Nunez. Exactly. Arsenal can't afford to maybe go in and maybe make that decision. But they get into a position where they're forced to have to go in. And even this January, he changed his tact a bit.

Once the injury's happened, he said, if there's somebody out there that we can find, we will try. I think the board, personally, I'm going with the board here, have not helped this man. He's coached us as far as he can. They've not signed a striker for three years at the club, right? They're woefully short in that area of quality. Havertz, to be honest with you, he's half a striker to start with, but I agree he does a good job for the team and I like him. You either have to be in the camp of...

We feel sorry for Arsenal. They're a well-run club. They shouldn't have signed a striker because the value wasn't there. Or in the last three years, they should have brought in a competent striker to support Havertz. Which you win. Because I'm in that camp. I'm in this camp definitely. Three years, you've got to be able to get a striker in three years. But if you're in that camp, that's...

You've got to be critical of Mikel Arteta because he has spent a lot. The money has been... He spent over £100 million on a midfield player in Declan Rice. He brought Mourinho in for £40 million. So could them funds have been spent there? That's a different argument. Yeah, but you say that, Jamin. I think to myself...

I would never not change... I would never not do that with Declan because I believe Declan is so integral that you're thinking, do I save that money and get the striker or do I get Declan? I would have rather of getting Declan and maybe see if we could get the striker at some stage. Do you know what I think they've actually done? I think in the last parts of the transfer window in the summer...

I'm not sure the club wanted to sign Sterling. I'm not sure Arsenal would have wanted to sign as a club Sterling. I think Arteta's thought, no, I can get him centre forward, I can get him left wing, I can get him right wing and he

he's gone in there and said he's my cover for those three positions I think that's what he said he can play all across the front line he's played 10-4 before for City he's done that role and he's almost like my second third striker and I think what's happened is they then sort of backed him and I think it's then put them off doing another deal in January of the same ilk because

because they're thinking, well, we've already brought Raheem in, so actually, if you're not going to use him, what's the point in adding someone else to it? And then all of a sudden, Havertz gets injured and you're done. You're done. Especially as we've got a goalkeeper who's taken up a long space. Yeah, but I still think it's a preference to have almost too many strikers. We lagged. You've Chelsea, you've gone, they need strikers. But at least they've got strikers in the building who might be doing the business. We spoke,

recently about Liverpool where they sell certain strikers you go no keep them you better have the options if you're trying to win league titles you're better off having too many strikers than obviously having none Liverpool have got a situation where Salah can play up top Diaz can play up top Jota can play up top Nunez can play up top Gakpo can play up top I'm not saying they're all centre forwards but they're all capable of playing in that position they've got options so many options and if one or two of them are in good form it's

it's fantastic. Now, for me, in the last two games, he's played without almost a striker. He's almost played with Diaz half to the left, Salah half to the right, and he's gone in with four midfield players, and he's not even had a striker. So my point is, I bet it helps when you're on top of all the other parties. Plus you're able to bring people on if that doesn't work. He's got goals, and he's got goals in the team. So Arsenal, whether it's bringing in a Mahmoud to the left or it's bringing in someone to the right, they've

Liverpool have got options in wide areas to change things. Arsenal have got six attackers, basically, two for each position to the front three. So have Liverpool. Liverpool have got a fella in Salah. Arsenal haven't got a goal scorer, if you like, who's going to get numbers. It doesn't have to be the guy through the middle. Saka would have. I'm not saying Mo's like numbers, but he will get the numbers. No, but Saka, Trossard, Marta, they can't really play centre forward. They can't play with a back to play. Salah can play with his back to play. Gatko can play in that sort of little pocket. They can't.

those players that Liverpool have got can play wide and centrally. The Arsenals can't. The Arsenals can't. They're not capable of doing that. Wanyeri, Saka, Trossard, Martinelli. None of them can actually play across the front line. Ronaldo, we mentioned before, could play left, right or centre. Rooney could play left or centre. You can't say about Wanyeri. Wanyeri might be able to do that. Welbeck could play left or centre. So my point is...

Arsenal's can't. Are we a bit harsh on Arsenal though? I think obviously with the injuries and then you look at the sending off this season they're still in the Champions League they're still up there are we a bit harsh or not? I think they've played five games with ten men which I know you'll probably make a comment but it's difficult isn't it? You need more than Arsenal to be challenging Liverpool the same last few years you need this we're focused on Arsenal last year too expectations got up on Arsenal but we know the last step is the biggest one and they've come up short and

They've come up short and we're saying the players are missed but maybe mentally they're not quite ready for that next step. They played West Ham at home the weekend so a team can lose at home of course. They had no midweek game. If they had a European game they'd go, oh they had a tough game on Tuesday or Wednesday. They were in Bayern or they were in Spain. They had a free week and they don't even score a goal at home. We're struggling with that mid-block and that's something that obviously... Two years ago we argued, me and you argued, it was two or three years ago when Arsenal got knocked out of the FA Cup and everyone was saying, oh it's great.

It's great that they're out of it. They ran out of steam and they had no midweek games. The one that Saliba was injured. Yeah. But everyone was saying, oh, it's great that Arsenal are out of the cup. No, they have no midweek games. You get rid of... They had no midweek game last week and they don't score a goal at home to West Ham. I still believe that what's happened and the way it's been, the way we've constructed a season, whether it's in the summer or January,

it's cost us at this particular time because we've lost the players that are meant to be the ones that have taken us to the... Man United went down there six weeks ago. United, who are as bad as we've ever seen them, they're going to win at Arsenal. That was an FA Cup game where it was a bit tight. And then was it Man City? They're not even getting over the line in them tight kind of games. They had bad luck though. They had the 10 days. No, they did. Like the bad luck. They had 10 days, went to Dubai and then lose the strike. I know, but you know something? Look, to be honest with you, I think when a team are growing like that,

it does leave a sort of big question mark. I just want to pick up on something. You said it's the board. What do you mean by that? Do you mean losing Edu or do you mean not recruiting or not backing the manager? I think...

In all of that, I think all of those, I'm very, I'm very, really surprised. I was really gutted to see Edu leave at this time because obviously the plan, he may not see the end for it. He can't see the end for whatever reason. Is it because the board, he knows that the board are not going to give them what they need so they can get to where they're going. I've got no problem with Mikel, but I do believe that the summer, especially after the season we had chasing cities at second twice now,

There's no way that we shouldn't be backed more, but this manager shouldn't be backed more in respects of who he wants and what he wants to build so as we can get over the line. So we talk about leagues. Again, we can argue about the manager and go, you're saying it's not that Mr. Board, but what about winning a cup? You can win a cup even if your squad's not strong enough. When was the last time Arsenal won a trophy? How many years now? It's four years now. Four? Yeah.

since they won the FA Cup? Five years. If that was any other manager in the Arsenal seat, of five years, you'd be going, hey, he's got to be under pressure. He's not winning a trophy. He's won one, but at the same time, people say, yeah, but that was five years ago. So it doesn't make any difference if it's not the league. People will say, yeah, but look, that's just the FA Cup.

The fact is, we've got a manager, I believe, in the way that he's trying to construct the team, is doing the very best he can. And the reason why I would say the board is because I don't think that he himself could do any more with this group of players apart from bringing more players in to help. I think we've seen peak Arsenal under Arteta. I think

That's a big statement. Even with all the injuries? If all those players are injured involved, do you think that's happening? Do you think they're never going to win the league by now? Injuries is part of football. That's what Rice is saying. Does that mean they're not going to win the league? When I say I think we've seen P. Carson, I think last season, the second half of last season,

I was looking at Arsenal and thinking, wow, this is a team miss. I'm watching them week in, week out. I'm watching the Champions League games as well. I didn't think they'd win the Champions League, but I thought, I'm watching a team who's playing as well as anybody in Europe here. I think the last 18 games, you won 16, you drew one away to City and you lost a home to Aston Villa. But that three or four month period, I'm not sure Arsenal will get back to that. And the reason I say that is because I go back to when we were playing for Liverpool and we were going for the league and we had a season where we were really there.

And if you finish second three years in a row, it's hard to sort of keep going again and keep... You know, that's the name of the game. And he may have to change players. And we're talking about recruitment and bringing players in. But there's definitely a question about Arteta. And I said at the start of the season, the football we saw in the first season of Challenge City, when Zinchenko was there and Jesus had come in and Zinchenko was going into midfield, the football and Shakhtar was in that team.

It's a different team. Now, it feels more...

but stiff not loose not like football and it's not a criticism you can win football any other way but there's no doubt this is more of a rigid I said this six months ago I got slaughtered by Arsenal fans but it's there it's about set pieces it's about going long into your front players it's about everyone dropping back behind the ball and keeping clean sheets and I played for managers like that at Liverpool when we were going for the league we were a team who but that was strong keep a clean sheet can we nick it and we always lacked

something special we had Stevie and Torres but we didn't have another couple and I think when I've always watched Arsenal that's why I've never backed Arsenal for the league even at the start of the season before injuries I always thought you're a special attacking player

short of what Man City were forget Liverpool but why have they not signed that player Cara in the last two years that goes back to the manager I think the way he's actually not asking them to play but I don't know if he's scarred by the last two sort of run-ins with Man City and thinking how can I take Man City on when they've got Haaland De Bruyne Bernardo Silva Foden have we got to do it another way where we set pieces we're big we're powerful we're the best team defensively in the league and

That's the way I'd look at Arsenal. It's not a criticism. I just think he's trying to win the league a different way than when he was two years because he didn't feel he could take on Manchester City. This is why I think that the summer, again, is massive for us simply because we've got a few players that are in the most style of Trent and Virgil. Three players in Saliba, Saka and Margaes at the back. And I think that

They'll probably be sitting and waiting in the summer to see, well, what are they going to do here? What are they going to do? Who are they signing? Because before I get my man to sign, I want to see who's coming in to see how long is this going to go on because my man wants to win things. So I think the summer was coming for us. With everything what you're saying, the summer is massive, especially with...

This winter, nothing in January. The summer has to be something really, really big. Who would you want them to get? It is a massive problem for us because, again, how many times do you see Real Madrid chasing summer and not getting it? Who would you want them to get in the summer? In respects of? Like a forward or... I think we need two forwards. Yeah. If we can get a start. We needed two forwards before people got injured. Yeah, I agree.

I agree. We needed that before. We need cover for the St. Ravs as well.

they always say what's the saying you're not as good as your goal scorers I agree you need a Salah you need a Ronaldo do you think it's realistic because I spoke about the clubs before we probably need a striker so let's say Arsenal and Liverpool both probably in the market I would say for a striker and I know this will upset Newcastle fans but do you think it is realistic that another Premier League club could buy Isak I mean do you think someone would be prepared to go to sort of 120,000 they'd have to go for that because they pay big money for it I'm not joking with what he's done and how he is

If I had the money, I'd buy him for £120 million. Would you think it's realistic that Newcastle would sell for that type of price? Surely not. If Newcastle get in the Champions League, they probably won't sell. That's what I'm saying. Because he's got three years on his contract. It's not a case of like, oh, he could go for nothing or he could go for a knockdown fee. He's got a good length of time. You're not going to sell your best player, are you, when they're going for top four

as well no that's what I'm saying I'm not saying they're wealthy the Newcastle owners Newcastle paid 63 they paid big money and we're talking about when you're paying those monies for these you are taking a chance it's like Man United with Hoyland he's had 9 goals at Atlanta I think something like that and you look at Nunes you're taking a chance with him

But he, at 63, you think to yourself, OK, yeah, he looks pretty sharp. But if they pay over 100 for Rice, then you shouldn't blink an eyelid. No way. If we could get him, if he comes up for that 120s and we're not chasing that, I'd be devastated. If he has the decision between Liverpool and Arsenal, where do you think he'd go? He'd probably go Liverpool. I'd like to think that Arteta could...

could convince him but like if we're talking about slot and the fact that slot's not even got his own team how we see how slot's going to play with the players that he wants that seems like it might be a more attractive would Liverpool pay that attractive proposition I think it's really interesting it might be a more attractive proposition but again you know I think Liverpool wouldn't bother about paying that type of money for a player I mean Liverpool put a bid in for Caicedo when he went to Chelsea what was that 110, 115 yeah

how old is he Zach is he 26 I think so how old is he how old is he 25 25 so he's 26 it's going to be the next couple of years whatever what a season he's having you've got to get four or five years off I'd hate to see that scenario where it's either Liverpool or Arsenal

You'd hate to see it? Yeah, because I'd feel like it probably would slot in what slot's doing, especially if they do win. But wages would come into it. What deal would... Liverpool always pay more. Arsenal pay more wages. I say Liverpool pay more wages than Arsenal. You're saying about Newcastle having money, do you think they're giving the staff sandwiches? That's the next subject, Jill. I did you a little in there. This episode of Stick to Football is brought to you by Skybest.

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So United, on and off the pitch. Yeah, but Gary... It's a mess, eh? You know something, when you read what's going on... Don't believe everything you read. No, no, no, you don't read it, but like, come on, Roy, everything we're hearing coming out of there is all about the people who are working. We're talking about, you get Dan Ashworth, you get, after a few months, millions to get him out. You know, you extend Ten Hag, millions to get him out.

When you look at those kind of crazy decisions, and then we're seeing normal people with their wages. The Ten Hag one, to be fair, I've got some sympathy with, because no United fan was saying sack him at that time. I'm not even talking about saying to sack him, I'm talking about the fact that they kept him on, and now we're talking about scrimping and scraping redundancies with wages for normal people, bro. What's going on there, gal? Ian, about three years ago, I said that United needed to bring money in, and...

It was a car crash waiting to happen. The club's finances are shot, absolutely shot to pieces. The debt, the recruitment's been reckless, the increase in staff from 600 up to 1,200, which is just unbelievable.

the lack of Champions League football which is now happening which is 30, 40 million 50 million a year it's an absolute mess the club has run out of cash the club has run out of cash what you now see Ian honestly what you now see is desperate decisions some of them I think to be fair are needed some of them are bad

You don't remove food off people in Old Trafford. You don't do that. You don't take £40,000 off the ex-players. And to be fair, Dan Ashworth was a mess. That's a really bad one because that's one you've chased for eight months and then you get rid of him after three months. That's a shocker and that's £4 million. So there's some bad decisions being made on the way in. But this is a culmination of 10 years of absolute...

shit-fest of management of the Glazers to the point whereby a billion pounds being paid off in interest, the club is actually, to be fair, deteriorating in performance, cash flow, profits. It's lost 300 million in three years. Wow. Man United used to be the most profitable football club. 20 years ago, they were not debt-free. In 2018, they had 350 million in the bank in 2018. From that point on now...

I think Ineos put in £300 million and there's not much of that left. You know something, you have to say with the Glazers and the way they've done all this, it's like being scammed. It's like they've scammed Man United.

It's terrible how they can get through. They've come from America and come to one of the biggest clubs in this country alongside Liverpool. Yeah, but that's done already. It's what you do about it now. Yeah, but you say it's done now, but at the end of the day, something has to be done because Ineos is meant to come in. Well, we just made a point where you chase, you make bad decisions after bad and you're suffering, United. Just like any team or company out there. Just going back to Liverpool and Arsenal and Tottenham in terms of how they run their clubs and they've been quite sensible and always quite sort of...

FSG, they operate the club very well from a point of view that the money... Gary, they were making chaotic decisions for you. No, no, absolutely. But my point is now, the reason they've been quite shrewd is if you make three or four Nunes bad decisions and you don't get the Champions League all of a sudden this season, you're going underwater quite quickly at those level of mistakes. You're going underwater quite quickly and they know that. That's why they've made really good decisions. They've qualified for the Champions League, which is massive, and then they end up looking profitable. It's a fine line, reckless spending, debt on the club...

Then you have to make shocking decisions like are being made at this moment in time where you're stripping the club back. The mismanagement on and off the pitch is unbelievable. But we know that. We sit here every week talking about the problems at United. How do you fix it? It doesn't help that the team are rubbish either. That's the biggest problem. A lot of clubs can never...

go through difficult stages but if the team were getting over the line and winning football matches then you're going do you know that kind of covers cracks I think the plan goes hand in hand the plan was in the summer invest in a big transfer window keep ten hard and then get into the Champions League and we're back on the footing

when you invest in Ten Hag and it goes like that, you're not going to get into the Champions League and then you've recruited badly, you've lost another almost £150-200 million. You've almost... Yeah, and you're stuck with these players for three, four, five years. You've got these players now, I mean, Casemiro sat there now saying, I'm not leaving for 18 months. Of course he's... Why would he not? I said this a year ago. Why would we? We knew this coming two years ago with Casemiro. I mean, it's...

Maybe United have to soak it up. Obviously the Glazers, that will always be an issue. It's a massive issue, Cara. I know that, but what I'm saying is, as Roy says, you've got Ineos now who are probably calling the shots a bit behind the scenes. Where are they going? What are they doing? I think they'll be looking at this moment in time thinking, what the hell? I think they'll be thinking, this is absolutely a massive, massive...

This is far bigger than they ever thought, I'm sure it is. That's their plan. They do that, don't they? They go in Ineos and they do strip things back. How do you think the manager feels? Imagine a manager there. I bet he's walked in at 20. The manager's the one who said, listen, these players ain't good enough. We need to get a new system. They look frightened. He's told them what's happening now. What's happened in football in these last few years, if you look at what's happened with Villa, they've had to sell John Durant to basically raise money.

You look at what's happening in Newcastle where they can't sign a player and they've got the richest owners in the world by the way. So every club that isn't doing quite as well in the actual league and isn't qualifying for Europe or isn't getting Champions League football, I mean Villa did this year so they're in a better position. Every club now is on the edge if they don't recruit well and they don't get in the Champions League. They're all on the edge. But this is what I say about our board. Obviously our board is thinking. Absolutely. That's exactly where they are. They're looking at it and thinking...

But football clubs are always about good people. Hopefully people running the club are making good decisions, obviously. But you still need good people underneath. You don't want to put United sacking people left, right and centre. Good people. And who are they bringing in?

Is United just all about pure business now? We look at the players, we're talking about recruitment not being right, but whoever you bring in and listen, show some personality, show a bit of fight. Where are United in the league? They're petrified, Jill. They're petrified. Players are just petrified. Now I'm talking about people like the board and that. When you see how quickly it can nosedive, that's the only thing I can look at. I was saying for sport, people talk about Liverpool at the moment, you get momentum and everything's going well and decision-making all falls in. Everything feels great. Everyone's great at the training ground.

when you start losing matches and you get momentum, everyone starts panicking. You're right. On the pitch stuff affects everything really badly. But they put £300 million in about a month or so ago, or six months ago, whenever it was. It's nearly all gone. It's paying off basically everything. They all think £300 million to other clubs or £250 million to other clubs for players, which is not unusual when you stage payments. But they've got these massive debt repayments. They've got the payments to other clubs. They've got no Champions League football payments.

And I think there's an element of, we've got to strip the club back to a running cost. When you're stripping the club back, is that like treating people like rubbish? Oh no, Roy, I think some of the things... I understand, I understand. We're not daft, we paid for the club. We knew there was a business behind it, but it was all about the football and good people, and then that came. But no, it's the business, and the people actually like rubbish. So maybe they deserve what they're getting, the club. But Roy, when you move food from people, I think at Old Trafford, you can't do that.

But when you're sacking people, that's the morale of the club, isn't it? You're going every day. Sometimes you come off the training pitch, I've got to chat to the canteen staff and stuff like that. We're talking about the value of the club. What about the value of how you treat people? Forget the £300 million, you'll be grudging people a ticket or a sandwich. I don't think it could have gone any worse for INEOS, not just in terms of where the team are in the league, but when you think of the big decisions, it almost feels like they've got them all wrong.

You think of keeping Tanag was proven to be wrong, Dan Ashworth, wrong. Where the team are, obviously they're not picking the team or playing, but how has it ever got this bad? And I said to you yesterday, the new manager comes in and you're like, I have sympathy for him because it's really poor, but it shouldn't be this bad.

No. So it's still in the air whether they've got the right man here. So when you think of the three or four real big decisions they've had to make in, is it a year they've been here or 18 months? 12 months. Because we all talk about, don't we, the Glazers are in America, let's get football people in, let's get people who are making the footballing decisions. So these guys, I suppose, have a better background in that than... But their track record is poor. But every big decision has been poor so far. But they've got no previous...

poor decision making when it comes to sporting teams or particularly football so maybe we were the mad ones sitting there going oh it's all going to be fixed now when we go back to the team and the recruitment and the players and showing a bit of fight and a bit of quality a bit of speed in your play they draw out everything it's like they've won the cup bizarre and even the fans the level of the I see fans at matches and they're singing for Bruno I say these boys I think you're fucking imposters no bro not Bruno

Friday, Friday, Friday. I've had enough of that rubbish, man. You watch Arsenal every week. What about we folks more on United? I'm watching them. Sit and watch a game. Sit and watch a game of them. We watched them in the FA Cup a few weeks ago. I watched them at Everton on Saturday. People pretend to be closing people down.

But who brought them back into the game? Who's bringing you guys back into the game? You can't... It's not Bruno Roy when we're talking about somebody who can actually do something to save you lot. It's Bruno who's doing it. 15 in the league and he's saving them. Praise the Lord. You should say, if he wasn't there where you'd be. But you have to have a starting point.

I'll go back to it all. Talent is not enough. You keep going back to go to talent. Bruno's a talented player, but talent's not enough. Talent is not enough, Reidy. Talent is not enough. You talk to me. Tony Adams was this. Tony Adams was that. Yeah, because he was a fighter. Bruno's not a fighter. You've got young players. You have to look at somebody and go, I like what he does.

I can't put the ball on the top of the net from 25 yards. I get that. But you want someone who's going, lads, are you with me? Are you with me? Maybe he's not that captain. Maybe he's not that. I'm with you. No, he's not. What he's doing in respect to saving you, playing that pass, the goal. What's he saving? He's the one that brings it. What's he saving? If Bruno's not there, United are in the relegation phase. If Bruno's not there. What's he saving them? What's he saving? At the moment. We saw him at Leicester a few weeks ago. We saw him at Leicester. He went to get kicked.

You're trying to isolate that particular game. Bruno, on a regular basis, saves that club in games. Oh, saves them. We're adding the league. Come on, man. We're adding the league. Where would they be if they didn't have Bruno? All right, all right. I'm a right or wrong. I think he's a good player, but I don't know if he's a good captain because I see goals go in and I see him shouting at players and stuff like that. He's not more talented than I could ever dream of. I wouldn't want my captain. If you think talent's enough to play for a big club... It's not all on Bruno. No.

No, not all on the pitch. Where do you start? If he's starting a young lad, oh, you can't pick on him. You can't start on a foreign player. Oh, he's new to the league. Maguire. Maguire the other day couldn't even jump. Who do you pin on Man United? If you're on about the players who walk on the pitch. Forget the board and all that for a second. The players who walk on the pitch. So who do you start going? Who do you start pointing? At some stage you have to go, you've got to start, players have to look at themselves, look at the person in the mirror. So who would you start with at Man United for starters? If you go, listen, you're what, 15th, 16th in the league?

You're getting a 2-2 draw and everything. You think, oh, you're saving the day. They never kick the ball for the first 60, 70 minutes. I know you're saying who I'm starting with. I know I'm not starting with Bruno, if anything. Of course you're not. Who are you starting with then? I don't know. Just because he's the captain, he might be petulant, whatever you think. You say that every few weeks. You say, Tony Adams is amazing. That's the captain I'm used to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. That's the captain I'm used to. That's what the captain we expect. Yeah, but you haven't got that. Was Tony Adams the most talented player in the Arsenal dressing room?

No. So why do you look up to Tony Adams and go, listen, I have a lot of time for him? He's an amazing leader. And what do they do in his leadership? Leadership is an action. He led us. He led us to the championship and everything. Right. What's leadership to you about? Leadership to me is about action. Yeah. Right. Bruno does action. Maybe you don't like his petulance, but he does. No, I don't. I just think if I had a captain, I wouldn't want him blaming him. That's what I say. He needs more players around him. He needs more players around him. It's not about blaming him.

people taking responsibility he's got quality he's got quality around him Bruno would be taking responsibility I'm not having Bruno getting deep what's your not well who then I've asked you a question who would just start going he's got to do more I'm not a player taking responsibility when that go out on that pitch listen show some courage want the ball when you close somebody down close them down properly we asked you earlier could you play off the front no no I have to be at people I have to be on the shoulder blah blah blah that's my game yeah that's your game yeah

And people appreciated you for your walk rate, blah, blah, blah. And I worked really hard. Yeah, but this thing, Liverpool, you get rewards from all this talent. You walk your socks off. I'm sorry. Let me tell you something. When you close somebody down, when I call a bluffer, this is what I call a bluffer. So you're there and I'm closing you up. But I'm not really closing you down. So, and then you pass it. I've done my bit.

Roy what about the Madison celebration where he good on him yeah absolutely no problem I still go to what I said I don't think he does enough of that but when he scores I was at home with my cup of tea and I went good on you no problem if people ever go you answer them back I was hoping he was going to do the same the other day but he was subbed against Ipswich I knew it see James is now monitoring every move just wait just wait just wait just wait

Do your stuff, James, because you can't win. But he got an assist against Ipswich to be fair. He'll do something. Bruno's going to score the winner? Yeah, I know. He's going to get a hat-trick. When Bruno sees this one... I like Bruno. Of course you like Bruno. We all like Bruno. He's a talented player, but talent's not enough. We've got Q&A questions. And the first one is... Oh, yes.

This is cool, isn't it? If you had to keep one of your body parts, if you could change one part of your body, what would it be? I know what theirs would be. Jill. Jill. It's personality apparently. Physically, you mean, yeah. Which part of your body would you change? I think I'd want a better nose.

It's big. Turn it to the side. It looks Roman. It's got a ring. No, I would like... That's how you were designed. That's how you were designed. I know, but it's the change. I'd change my nose. Oh, yeah, I think you're fine, Jill. OK. What would you change? I'm comfortable with it. It's real different. It's a really strange question. I think I'd go nose.

I think you should as well. I was going to say, I'm glad you said it, Gav. What about your bugle? I'll say my teeth. What's wrong with them? I don't like the crossover on the front a little bit. I've never really had them. Maybe if I was taller. You know when you're playing in midfield, you're like six foot. I'd like to be big, yeah. I think maybe, yeah. The reason we got that question because back in...

what's Roy Keane this is a cheap magazine I think I had that magazine how many more episodes have we got on this November 1993 which part of your body would you change and Roy was asked this in 1993 no part of it I'm happy with the way it is so I wouldn't change anything no or anything

at least the women tell me they are quite happy with how I look. He said, at least the women tell me they are quite happy with how I look. It's a misquote. Did you actually say that? Is that when you were at Man United? Stupid dick. It's amazing how... You're younger, it's better to get you to do stupid interviews, isn't it? It is. It is.

The women tell us. Did you have a six pack on? Ah, righty. I could write it as gold too. You're like a gangster. Let's have a look at them. Big gold too. Righty, what would you change? You don't need to change anything. Temperament. You've got a temperament. Yeah, but that's not part of what we're talking about. You know what I always do like? Black people with lighter eyes. I probably have lighter eyes.

Green eyes. Better dancer? I can't do better than that. You've got nice eyes, though. I don't like them. I like different colour eyes. Right, take United and City out of it. Which team do you want to win the FA Cup this season? Who's left in again? Take United and City out? I'd go Palace. I'd go Villa. Villa, yeah. Villa. I'm trying to think who's in it.

I don't know what it was, eh? Millwall. Millwall, innit? Bournemouth are still in it. Newcastle are in it. I'd go Newcastle or Villa. You know what? Newcastle. I'd go Palace or Newcastle. I'd go Newcastle. I'd go Villa. Because I want Liverpool to win the other final. I'd love to see Newcastle win the other final. I'd go with Villa. Yeah, a bit of Villa. I'm going to go Palace. Are you working it? Yeah. I'm just going. Trying to win their love back. You look all the way there. You know what? I'm not trying to win their love back. You look all the way there. Yeah.

No, no, no. You know what? Who's it? Righty. Roy said I'm trying to win their love back. I'm not trying to win their love back. It's just that when we've... They deserve something in that year. See? What's up with you today? Was there a big tension between you and Palace or not? No, not really. I thought you were going to say between me and him. Come on, you've been edgy all morning. I picked him up this morning. You could sense it, that negative energy. No, I haven't. It is, because you're working tonight. You can't do too good working tonight. No, I didn't.

Yeah, women's games. We've got Spain. England playing Spain. We've got Spain tonight. Watch him tonight and see his face tonight. It'll be hard work. It won't be hard work. Why is that on the Premier League night? Right, the Oscars are this weekend.

Right. What's your favourite film been in the last 12 months? I think I'm going to be useless at this because I've not seen many. They've got a list of the films that have come out in the last 12 months. Robbie Williams. Yeah, Robbie. Or the Bob Dylan one. What are they called? What's the Bob Dylan one? I'll tell you which one. Any options? Oscars last 12 months?

It's probably the Bob Dylan, Tim Chalamet one. Have you seen the Bob Dylan one? I watched it. I did watch it. Conclave. Conclave as well. Conclave. What's it about? It's about the Pope. The Pope. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah, but you haven't seen it. No, I'm just... We should have a movie night. We should all go to the movies one night. I've been going the last few weeks. Big screen. These massive chairs. Yeah, we'll just go to your house. You don't know when they go back. Oh, they're big on cinema. Yeah, so the weird thing is, you know, like, obviously you're going in the dark, you're trying to find your seat, and you get the big chair, you've got your big drink, you've got all your... And you're just there, you're like some big kid. And then someone goes, you're in my seat. And you go, oh, no. Oh, you've got to go, sorry. Put the chair up, get all your gear, and you're like...

Oh, no. You move, do you? Yeah, I do. I do. I'm with Nathlete. I'm with Nathlete. What's in the next one? Oh, you want another one? Ben White is reportedly speaking to Thomas Tuchel about coming back into the England fold. Should players be able to opt in and opt out of international squads? Roy, you've obviously opted in and opted out before.

I think Ben Wright would have been right to answer that. I wouldn't phrase it that way. I suppose they can. Maybe I think if players make a decision... He's had a fallout with another member of staff. It was well documented. I think he's had a fallout with Steve Holland. Do you know what I never agreed with? I never agreed with retiring from international football. I'm still not retired. I didn't. If England want me, I'd still go. I always felt that you come in at the beginning, you get in, you sort of might not make the team and then you sort of fade out at the end and you should be retired, not retire. So that ultimately you don't get picked anymore. If you're playing for your club...

my view was you're available for your country that was my view obviously I didn't get picked in the last two or three years at United but I

What about if you retire and they're like all together? Do you know what I mean? You're doing that, like our kind of full retirement. At that level it's more of a mental thing, isn't it? I think it's to prolong your career with your club usually. Obviously, yeah, it would help that. What if you felt that you should have been getting picked at certain times and you weren't and in the end you're like... But there's an element of it's your country, you're there to serve it and you play for them if they pick you and if they don't pick you then...

That to me, I was out. So you'd have gone to England for 15 years and not played a game? I like to think I would, but I wasn't in that position, Cary. To be fair, I know that you obviously have... Tony DiRigo. Yeah, but I think I see some goalkeepers that did it for a long time. Tim Flowers supported Dave Siffen for a few years, you know what I mean? And didn't get a lot of games. So good people have gone and... But you can see why people do get frustrated. If you're playing for your country, you're obviously generally playing for your club.

so to be playing every week and then travel for years maybe sometimes you have to tolerate for a few months I can see exactly why players would get fed up when I retired when I stopped playing for England the reason I stopped was John Terry and Rio Ferdinand were ahead of me but they were much better players they were amazing as good as anything in the world at the time

but I couldn't play any better for Liverpool I got Liverpool's player of the year in the two years we got to the Champions League final over a two or three year period so I then I think Real might have been out someone was out and someone else got picked and listen fair play they were good players who came in

But then I said, oh, no, I want to concentrate on Liverpool. It was almost like... What age were you then, Jeremy? 29. And then, you know what? Not frustrated me, but... So Steve McClannan came and met me in third place. He was the England manager. He come to meet me face-to-face in Liverpool. Listen, can I call you? He says, I'm going to play you in the next game. And I was like... Really? No. I feel like I've bullied you to play. I haven't said I'm not... You felt awkward, James? Yeah, I'm like, I don't want to play now because I've said... Oh.

I'm like, oh no, I wouldn't want to play. You know what I mean? So I was a bit like, oh no, that's me. Especially if he played you in that one, then you don't play in the next one. It's like, it is like you. Yeah, it felt a bit awkward. But then what might have felt a little bit, well, didn't feel as awkward, I ended up going back, right? Because Capello wanted me to go back. And Stevie was just raving about Capello when he'd come back. Right. And I didn't say I want to play for England now that they're in the World Cup, but the last weekend of a season before the World Cup,

I think two centre-backs went down, you know, like sort of injured. So at the last minute they called me. But I'm thinking like Capello, Beresi, Maldini. I'm thinking, oh, I've just got to see what this fella's about. And you're also a man of principle, obviously. Exactly. And it's me country, right? It's me country. So I thought, OK, I'm going. Coming from South Africa. Players it's benefited, like Jamie Vardy, I would say, it's benefited him, hasn't it? Retiring from...

England and then kind of his long-term energy now. Some players don't enjoy it. Some players don't enjoy it. Like banter, I mean. Yeah. I think he'll come back with something else. Right, that's it. That's it. End of episode. Well done. Work management platforms. Ugh. Endless onboarding, IT bottlenecks, admin requests. But what if things were different? We found love.

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