32.16 - MU Podcast - Phantom Phosphorescence
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Welcome to Mysterious Universe, Season 32, Episode 16. Coming up on this show, we've got the glow of the invisibles, Tokyo's secret underground city, and the power of the electric people. I'm your host, Benjamin Grundy. Joining me is Aaron Wright. Tell me about this Tokyo underground city. Yeah, I'd never heard of this. There's this guy, Shun Akiba. He published this book in the early 2000s. It all started when he was in a second-hand bookstore in Tokyo, and he came across...

this old dusty map, which was a map of the subway from decades ago in Tokyo. And he noticed there were some discrepancies with this old map and the actual current layout of the Tokyo subway. Well, wouldn't that make sense though, as the city grows and matures, that they would abandon certain stations and create new ones? Like Sydney has a collection of abandoned stations.

Like subway stations. Yeah, but it was things that didn't make sense. Like certain lines were crossing over each other instead of running parallel. And he started to investigate this. He went to...

I don't know, like the Office of Records to get the original plans. And he got the cold shoulder from everyone he spoke to. He said that everyone had sealed lips about this information implying some conspiracy. And when he started to look into it deeper, and this guy, he actually went down into the subways himself to find tunnels, right? That's rather dangerous. He was convinced that there's this kind of massive cover-up

the true extent of the Tokyo subway system. But why...

Hang on. The true extent of the subway. Why would you cover up that there's a subway system? Well, for lots of reasons. There's like underground nuclear bunkers. There's underground warehouses that apparently contain vast stores of emergency food supplies if anything happens and they don't want people to know where they are. Well, that would make sense. There's supposedly a secret subway system that's only used in emergency situations that connects their

The Diet building, which is like their Congress, connects that to the Prime Minister's address, which connects it to some other subway system that goes to another emergency bunker. It's kind of like America has Cayenne Mountain and their underground...

places for emergency government. Well, so does Canberra, allegedly, as well. Apparently, there's tunnels that run underneath Parliament House that connect it to defence headquarters and, I don't know, maybe foreign affairs. So, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if that stuff exists. Yeah, so that's what he started to uncover, and he published this book. I just put it on the screen. I can't read Canberra. No idea what it says. No idea what it's about.

No idea what's in it. No idea. You're just going to do it for the Plus extension. Great, Ben. I just gathered every single English source I could on this guy because this book has never been published in English. Right. The title is Secret Underground Network That Is Hidden in Imperial City, Tokyo. Okay, cool. So we'll see what I uncovered. I uncovered it quite a bit and that led me off into other directions. We have this theme on this episode in the Plus extension called

of underground hidden locations. We'll be looking at Moscow as well, along with some of the South American stuff we'll return to. Oh, okay. The golden libraries and spooky skeletons and stuff like that. Oh, perfect. You know what it is the season for. Well, on this episode, actually, you mentioned something in the last episode that really sparked my interest. And that was this idea that, you know, we were talking about these interdimensional gateways where you posited this idea that essentially it was like,

there's some, I guess it was a folkloric sense, a belief that ghosts would come through these dimensions or other interdimensional beings and they would wear like a skin, the humans. Oh, that's right. And they would walk amongst us. And we don't even know that they're... That was Brad Steiger. It was a guy from Missouri. That's right. He claimed he could see these doorways where other beings from other realms would enter. That's

That's right. And they'll be like a men in black where they kind of walk. Yeah, they lope and they're all a little bit weird, a bit off. Can't control their new human skins. Well, I went digging because I thought, okay, and it's a shame that unfortunately Internet Archive is still down. I heard that it had been

hacked a third time. Yeah, you can't log in and download it. You can't log in and download anything, get hold of stuff. But I did some digging and I managed to pull up a couple of these really old magazine articles. We're going to go into Fate magazine. We're going to go into some of these reports. But I started digging into the world of the invisibles. And I found that there are a collection of reports that seemingly have parallels in them that suggest that there are gateways where these entities pass.

pass into our reality, but it might just simply be that it's like an overlapping dimension, that really people are going about their lives in their reality and occasionally they wander into ours and vice versa. But then, of course, it becomes a little bit more, I guess, spooky, if you could put it that way, where people have encounters with invisible beings that come into our reality. And these invisible beings

beings though, a number of them, even though they're invisible, I say in inverted commas, people have a sense, like people that are attuned to psychic sort of stuff have a sense, but they always say that they have this similar phosphorescent green glow.

So I'm going to go on to some of these reports of people that encounter these sorts of things. Is this a Halloween episode? No, it's not. Growing green invisible monsters and skeletons in plus? It's not like that, but it does have that little bit of a spoopy kind of feel. Do I have to get the cat sound effect out? No, you don't have to do that. Can I though? Okay, fine. You can have the soundboard ready to go. Why not? Include the is it real as well. We need to have that lined up.

But look, let's just jump into it. Yeah, that one. Perfect. That one. Let's jump into it and we'll see how we go. What I was thinking about actually where this all started, it was from an article that was published decades ago now. And it describes these encounters that people have had. Now, I've touched on this in the past from the author Dick Schwarzenberg. Now, he is difficult to track down. Like, I've tried looking for more of his reports.

And of course, they seemingly are limited to these old 1950s, 1960s magazines, and there's nothing else. So I don't know if it's a pseudonym for what he's describing. But in saying that, much like many other researchers, paranormal researchers and people who are in this field, he claims that when he publishes articles and publishes stories, a bunch of people come out of the woodwork and say, hey, I just want to tell you about the experience that I had. You know, something very strange occurred to me. And he says, you know, one of the challenges of

people that are in this field is trying to approach some of these stories with scrutiny. Because obviously people could come out with really wild stories. And the reality is, for the most part, they never have anything to back it up, ever. So you've got to kind of judge the person, which is not a good thing to do, but you have to, so you can work out what's the truth. But he did note that there were a collection of reports of people encountering what he described as potential time tunnels, right?

So it's kind of a variation upon the dimensional rift, but he says, look, psychic researchers have been burrowing headlong into this enigma for a long time, and some of them have come up with the belief that they hold solid evidence to suggest that there are 12 such natural time tunnels or phenomena that exist on Earth. You have Norway, Panama, the United States, Egypt, Spain, France, North Africa, Italy, Russia, Ireland, Israel, Egypt.

and the Hawaiian islands. Those entire places. So all of the United States is a time tunnel. No, there's that. There are like, they're very small, these things as well. Like they're normally described as being about the size of a person, but they exist in these 12 locations. Okay. Now, whether that ties- Very specific. Very specific. But whether that ties into what you were talking about on the last episode about disappearing homes and why they appear in certain locations, that funnily enough,

came up. So it was almost like these time tunnels that people have experiences. Yes, people pass through them and have these weird experiences where they find themselves in the past or find themselves in a different reality of some kind. There are also these weird manifestations that people experience where they'll see like a battlefield, for example. They'll see the manifestation of an old car or something, and then it will just dematerialize. It will disappear back into the ether.

because somehow these things are coming through, but is it because of that particular location? And that seems to be the case. It seems to have something to do with the location and whether that ties into telluric currents or whatever. Go back to the last episode to listen to your great description of these disappearing houses because we kind of addressed that. But with these stories, he's like, look,

These things, these manifestations, they occur on rural country farms. They occur on city streets. They occur on country lanes, much like the disappearing houses. It's not like they are specifically tied to any particular type of location. When we're talking about the houses as well, it was like, well, it's abandoned or not abandoned, very quiet country lane. Is that contributing to how they manifest? But he raised something that grabbed my attention from the last Plus episode. He's like, they also appear

on the high seas. Now, I was talking about storm phenomena and how it might somehow power the manifestations of certain bleedings between two realities, and that was the appearance of the flaming Dutchman, you know, this old legend. But there are reports from certain sources that suggest that while it is a legend,

There are sailors and people that have been in the Navy their entire lives or on the sea their entire lives that claim that these things are very much real. So it got my attention that you can have this old sailing ship kind of just appear out of nowhere. And then you have similar reports here of people saying, well, no, apparently these time tunnels can appear on the high seas. So he says one of the earliest reports actually comes from the Soviet Psychic Society. It relates to an encounter that happened back in 1962. It was August the 14th.

It was reported by a Moscow elementary teacher. He was vacationing at a campground on the outskirts of an old capital city. While he was there, he said that he was looking kind of just into the distance, and there was this mid-sun day, and he was kind of just relaxing, and everything got very bright. Everything got very, very bright around him. So he went back to his camper to grab a pair of dark sunglasses, and once he put the dark sunglasses on, he said, just...

before him, like maybe six feet away, not even 12 feet away, like that kind of distance, not too far. He said there was this weird kind of form of like a square or lines kind of being cut out

of the space in front of him. Like a doorway. Like a doorway kind of appearing, right? And he said it did. It resembled a doorway of sorts. And so, of course, he cautiously approached this because when you see this thing, it's kind of strange, but he described it as having a pulsing sound to it. And as he got closer to the pulsing sound, it going, as he got closer, he backed off. And as soon as he backed off, the pulsing was...

Is this one of these stories where these guys see the portal to another dimension open and then just go home? No, it was incredible, right? Because in this particular case, and this has been reported, I've heard this before reported of it being like a triangle as well. It was known as the triangle phenomena. But basically he described that, if I recall correctly, is that he heard the, like the clopping of hooves. Like he heard this heavy clopping of hooves. He heard people shouting and yelling. There was a gunfire, gunfire,

And for whatever reason, he moved forward once again, and he was pulled into it. Like he kind of went into this space. And he said when he went into the space, he was no longer in this quiet country campsite. He was in the middle of the Russian Revolution. He said Lenin was standing up here carrying on. He said there were crowds that had the police kind of coming, marching upon them.

He was being pushed into the ground. He's like this. It was 1914. For whatever reason, he knew that this was 1914. And I think that he didn't inherently know it was because of what the speech was and the scene around him. It's like, this was 1914. Um, and he said that like he was being covered in blood and did he still have his sunglasses on? Cause that would have been weird.

I don't know, actually. That's a good question. I'm sorry. I said 1914. 1914 is when the Capitol was renamed. It was 1917 that this was taking place. But he said that he was kind of being pushed back and being hit and being trampled upon by this wild crowd and all the energy that was everything that was around it. When he said he kind of had to run backwards, when he ran backwards, he said there was this hole, like this hole was in the middle of the crowd. And so he jumped through it.

And when he jumped through it, he's like, bam, back in the campsite. Oh, weird. Like he'd come back onto the campsite. And he looks at his clock or his watch and he finds two hours are missing.

This is reminding me of something I've got coming up in Plus, because I'm going to be talking briefly about the Shepton Mine disaster from Pennsylvania in 1963. Last year was the anniversary where three miners were basically buried. Two of them were rescued after 14 days, but you might recall when they were rescued, they had stories of death.

that appeared down in the mine. Yeah. So after a few days, this is both of the guys that survived. They both had the same hallucinations where they saw one, I remember, I've got a quote from him later on where he said two doorways appeared. There's one on the left and they said, both of them said it looked like it went somewhere very appealing. And there was one on the right which opened up to somewhere else. And they both saw this along with appearances of eyes

other weird entities and things which we'll go into later. And this is where I'm kind of going with this. I'll tell you another couple of stories because these are very standard kind of stories in the sense that even though it's still strange, right, you're going to another time zone. This also seems to coincide though with stories of people that see portals open in their bedrooms and then terrible monstrosities come through and attack them and attach to them. It's like the same kind of mechanism which is used. But interestingly enough, and the fact that you also mentioned there that they were down underground in this

you know, reduced sense kind of state. People that meditate also occasionally find themselves in these spaces where they'll be meditating and they'll get the funny buzzing feeling and this buzzing feeling that can hear it around their ears, much like an alien abduction, coincidentally. And they'll find that like while their eyes are closed, that they'll hear this kind of noise and some type of like

will open next to them. But they're meditating. So they're like, oh, okay, you know, that's really, really weird. Except they're meditating and when they open their eyes, it's like this portal window that's kind of next to them. Of course, they're the stories where they never go through them. People just flip out and panic. A hairy hand just comes through.

Well, that's the thing. In some circumstances, they do. These weird things pass through, and I'll get to that in a moment. But this was truly an incredible report, but an isolated report at this point. But as Schwarzenberg points out, he's like, well, hang on a second. There are other reports of people that report...

There are other reports of people that say that they've experienced something very similar, right? There was a report from Southern Montana. There's a site there known as the General George Armstrong Cluster Monument. This area is a site of significant cultural heritage. It relates to a terrible battle that took place there. It was known as Custer's Last Stand, and it was fought between 700 troops of the U.S. 7th Cavalry and, of course, 3,000 warriors of the Great Souk Nation. And it's funny because in that first report,

You have to wonder what is facilitating this. And it's like, well, you've got a revolution going on in the field, all that energy that's going into that space. Why is it that this time tunnel is opening at that particular location? It's like, well, because it's filled with this energy that we don't necessarily understand. Same as with this report. You've got this horrible battle taking place where hundreds, if not thousands of

men are dying in a bloody, gory battle. Somehow, campers are being pulled back to this location because you've got the afternoon of October the 14th, 1964. You have Stephen Miller, who was a biologist from Baton Rouge in Louisiana. His wife, Della, was there and they had their three children, 14, 16, and 18, that were visiting this monument. This rises in the northern Wyoming area

A spectacular country, apparently. But they went for a walk, as you do. You go hiking through these particular locations, and they were crossing into the area where this battle had taken place at this point, 103 years before. And suddenly, in very missing 411 style, one of the children starts yelling out. There was Stephen Jr., who was playing around with his father. He was at his father's side, and he was playing. But

But he started shouting that the ground was moving. He insisted that he could see the ground moving. Now, before anyone could even, pardon me, get his attention and understand what was occurring, the boy just ran into what appeared to be some gateway of some kind. It's not described. It's just like this bright kind of gateway. And in less than five seconds, right before the horrified eyes of the millers,

He was gone. He just disappeared or the boy vanished. Now, from what I understand is that the father ran through as well. He went running after his son, not knowing where his son was, but he went running after him. 16 minutes passed. Exactly 16 minutes passed as the wife was sitting there terrified. Miller and his son reemerged. But this time when they came back, they were covered with blood.

They had expressions of terror and shock and horror upon their faces, and they told this incredible story. They claimed that when they had passed through whatever this was, they found that the air was dull and gray as if it was filled with some type of gunpowder smoke. It was the only thing that they could describe because they could smell it as well. They became extremely frightened because at first the young boy thought that it was some type of reenactment or some

acting that was going on until he realized that it was very much real and all these bodies that had fallen around them were real bodies. And they experienced some type of weird time travel sickness as well because he started to vomit. The son vomited as a result. Now, is it because of the time travel or is it because of the, I don't know. But listen to this, Ben.

This is something that stood out when you were talking last week about the Ruffin Woods, that when people encounter these strange, I guess what you could consider to be time travel experiences, time slips, if you will,

You described that vortex, this weird little windmill, like a glowing windmill that would be seen, you know, sucking things up and pulling things in that was associated with this phenomena. Well, in this particular case, right, Miller actually told officials, because he was so horrified, that he and his son had fallen over bodies trying to get out of this area and that when he had taken a few steps, it was like he was caught up in a whirlwind that grabbed hold of him and then pulled him back into modern times.

So it's like, that's strange. Yeah, a bit of a crossover there. Isn't it? Isn't it strange? So this is the battle they were in, I presume. They were in the middle of that. If you look in the bottom left-hand corner, it looks like the artist captured

I need to take that AI software off you very rapidly, Ben. And look, like half of his body is missing too, which means that he's a little bit, he's in a ghostly form. Right. Yeah. So the eyewitnesses in all or both of these reports, you know, they actually gave sworn testimony to police, you know, insisting that this is truly what had happened. Like they were quite serious about this.

And civilians as well, in the last case, also described seeing not the actual disappearance, but the distress of the family. So this isn't something like it's someone making up a wild story or that has missed their child for a few minutes. In fact, blood that was on their clothing was taken and analyzed. It was taken at a time where they couldn't do DNA analysis, of course, but they were able to confirm that it was indeed human blood and not animal blood.

So it's like, okay, that's a pretty good trick. You've got to be suspicious with these two stories though because in each instance that this occurs, they're going back to some momentous historical event. Right, which they would, well, which easy research would allow them to understand and know about. What are the odds that

First of all, they're going to run across some kind of time tunnel. But they're also going to these very specific momentous events in history instead of your average Tuesday. Good point. And that's something that I was kind of hinting at before. I think this has to do with human emotional energy. I think that's what attracts this stuff. I think that's what somehow fuels this stuff. And it was like, yeah, you've got a Russian, you've got the revolution happening, like an incredible turmoil.

turning point in history. And then you have this incredible battle happening as well, another turning point in history. So it's like these disastrous and horrible events generate such human emotion that that's what causes possibly these time tunnels. And I don't know the physics. I can't even begin to imagine how the physics of these things would work. But maybe the apertures of these things are kind of jumping around the place all the time, but they lock onto things like events that are full of energy. I

And that's why it's just coincidental that they're ending up in these locations of considerable strong events, but it's just simply because of that energy generated. Now that sounded a little bit Kamala there, so we'll continue. Yeah, that was very Kamala. How much did you drink before the show? It was the same argument with the Ruffum disappearing houses though, in that the idea that it's some kind of mechanical environmental effect doesn't really work.

Because you don't have – you have like a separate boundary of a house, for example, appearing versus half a house or a mixture of things. It's a very definite thing in the same way that you're seeing people experience these major events. It's not like they're going back on an average day. You're right. It's the event that is –

the anchor in time. In time, in space time. That's right. Like if you were, I guess to somehow, if you could view it overhead, I mean, I don't know how you'd view time overhead, but if you could do that, like these events would light up, like that would be much brighter than just other standard events. And maybe that's what's allowing people to go to these things. Or,

They're just making up crazy stories, which is a possibility, but I don't know. And particularly in that second case, it's like, it's not someone imagining it either because in that case, it was two people that experienced it. They had physical blood traces that they were able to analyze. And also the other family members and other people vacationing there reported seeing things happening as well. So I go with that one that,

they experienced something strange. Then of course we go to spring of 1955. There was a Belfast woman in Ireland, clearly, who noticed a weird configuration being traced by the light on the ground. This was just outside her home. She apparently just decided to walk outside, you know, it's like, as you would, like, that's weird. Like what's that light? She walks out, finds herself flung back to the 15th century in Ireland where she remained for a month and a half.

So this is fascinating, right? Because it's like, normally in these cases, people come back, there's a couple of hours, maybe, like there's not really much more than that. She was there for a month and a half. When she returned, she was dressed in authentic clothing of that period. Now, the other thing is that she got to know a family that was there. They were able, historians were able to trace that family and that family did indeed exist. So this is a question of, well- How do you survive in the 16th century? I have no idea. Not knowing anyone-

The problem with these stories is you would be completely unintelligible to other people. Yeah, because language would be different. The language is so different. You wouldn't be able to understand a word anyone is saying.

And we're meant to believe you just lived there for a couple of weeks with some family. A month and a half. So let's put this into perspective. Some weird person turns up on your street wearing clothes you don't recognize, babbling some incomprehensible language, and you're going to go up to them and go, oh, hello, strange person speaking gibberish. Come into my home for...

But hang on, we're talking about this from the context of the 21st century. What you would do if you saw someone babbling incoherently, you would call the authorities. You would call an ambulance, you would call the police, and they would be taken into custody for their own protection. And then they would spend God knows how long before they dematerialize. Back in the 15th century, when it's extremely poor and very different standards. Yeah. I mean, if you showed up, maybe there was some charitable family that was like, oh, come in, we'll look after you.

Yeah, but she wouldn't have been able to understand that. It just would have come out as gibberish. I don't necessarily think it would be gibberish. I mean, language change. I mean, look at like Elizabethan English, right? So Elizabethan or Shakespearean English, you know, it speaks thy, that, and, you know, shall not, and like all very odd, right? But you're able to make it out. Like you're able to, it's not like people can't understand Shakespeare today, even

even though it's very different to the dialect that we have. So really, would it be that different? Like, yeah, she'd have a different dialect. She would have a different way of speaking. It would be that different. I don't think it would be. It'd be so different. I mean, if she was flung back, maybe- What time period did you say again? 15th century Ireland. So she was 1955 and she was flung back to the 15th century. Well, they wouldn't even have spoken English. They would have spoken Gaelic. Well, maybe she spoke Gaelic.

I know Irish people today that still speak Gaelic, so that's not really a big deal. Does she have any more detail? Well, look, she had two things. She had that she was dressed in authentic clothing of that period. So it's like 1955. It's a little bit hard and not completely, but it's a little bit hard to go out. And then like someone would have seen her going to a costume shop or going somewhere to get the fabric to create an authentic clothing or authentic pieces of clothing from that period.

And also to be able to have details of a family that she apparently previously didn't know, but they were able to trace later on, suggests to me that she may have had an authentic experience. Something real may have happened. You've also got the morning of the 14th of May from 1969. You've got John Casper. He's a Wisconsin businessman. He walked out of his office for a coffee break. He was walking apparently past a restaurant or to a restaurant. More than 28 people saw him just simply vanish.

As he walked down the street, 28 people reported this. How did 28 people? Who has 28 people looking at them when they're walking down the street? I don't know if it's a busy street, right? And someone just disappears. Apparently he disappeared through rays into the earth is the way it was described. Now on the night of May the 15th, he wandered into his home. His clothes were charred and he was suffering from first and second degree burns on his chest, legs, and upper portion of his torso.

What the hell? Like, did he get burnt by wandering through the town? Why are you raising your eyebrows at me? I don't know. You seem to think it means something. I don't. Well, who knows? He claims that he found himself amidst a great fire. And it just so happens that in 1871, there was a fire that ravaged through that city. So did he get, again, a moment of extreme emotional energy?

Is that what he got pulled into? Is that where he landed up? But then the other thing came up, and this is what started to lead into the glow phenomenon, which comes up. I know it's cliche. I know it's Halloween. But that old trope of you waking up to find a ghost in your room and he's glowing, right?

It happens in so many more apparently genuine paranormal reports than people realize. That's why it's a trope. It's because throughout the ages, people have woken up to find a luminous glowing entity inside their house, usually green. There was a Norwegian sailor who fell from a fishing outrigger into the waters of Oslo. This was during the Nazi occupation of Norway. A German motor patrol boat spotted him. Everyone on board watched as he swam into a glowing green sea.

And if you don't work out what happened, he disappeared. He disappeared. Apparently, the German Naval Archives revealed that as soon as he reached that weird glowing spot on the water, he simply disappeared. He didn't drown. He was still swimming on the surface. He just dematerialized. He returned to his village a week later to say how he'd been fished out of the water by Vikings who had rescued him from the sea.

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Yes, the Vikings are known to be very generous and good Samaritans. Are you saying that they would have drowned him? I don't know. I mean, this is funny because I remember... I'm saying he probably would have become a slave. Well...

But then, yeah, who knows exactly what happened to him. Wait, so he was rescued by Vikings, but how did he return to his time? So this is that weird whiplash thing of like time knows when people are out of the timeframe that they're supposed to be in. And it's like, it pulls them back. Whether it's this, what I described before, this weird whirlwind that seemingly sucks things up.

or whatever the mechanism is. I can't even begin to imagine, but it seems like for the... This would make sense, right? For the cases that we have people reporting this, that they've come back, of course, there's plenty of reports and you can simply need to look at Missing Form 1 to see that there's plenty of people that don't come back. And of course, we don't have their stories simply for the fact that they haven't come back. That's what happens. Um...

The other thing that came up is you raised that we, we both mentioned this in that last episode where, because we were talking about time slips, the, an adventure came up, right? And this was the story of where people had, uh, gone to the Petit Trianon at Versailles, the palace of Versailles, and had seen, um,

You know, Marie Antoinette, queen or consort. Marie Antoinette. Most famous story. Incredibly famous story. It appears to be some type of time slip. Or what's described here is that this may be some type of time tunnel as well. It was originally first reported by Charlotte Morbley and Eleanor Jourdain in 1901 when they were in the gardens near the Petit Trianon where they saw Marie Antoinette who used to sit and paint there for hours and hours and hours. But they also claim to have walked through some weird light tunnel

And this light flung them back into this time. Yeah. But since then, right? So I knew that there'd been, I mean, it was years later. There was, I think it was 19, oh, here it is, 1928. There were two English schoolmistresses or a schoolmistress and a former pupil who were also walking through the same garden who experienced the same phenomena.

It was like this weird recurring thing of where they traveled through something. They felt like it wasn't this stone tape thing of a ghostly experience. It was more that they themselves had been propelled into some location. But it just so happens, as was reported here, that

This wasn't the end of it. There's been reports that occurred in 1937, 1938, 1949, and 1955. The same location. In the exact same locations with reliable citizen witnesses speaking of walking through the gardens and encountering some type of weird, archaically dressed figure after experiencing some strange light phenomena. So I'm like, okay, yep, I'm...

It's not Halloween yet. Yeah, it is. It's close enough. Close enough. Okay. So this got me digging a little bit deeper, right? Because I'm like, what's happening to people? You know, is this actually, are they being sent to certain locations or are they somehow astrally traveling? You know, is that what is occurring to these people? And they're just, maybe they're sitting there paralyzed for a moment and they're finding themselves flung back.

I don't know really what to make of it, but there is this article I pulled up from a very old edition of Fate magazine. It comes from the 1950s. It was written by J.P.J. Chapman. And finally, I got his story because in Fate of 1956, in issue number 78, he actually just, pardon me, he described this story of the Phantom Wolf, which I'll come back to in a moment. But he himself was reporting on this strange history that was in this village of where he grew up.

But when you read stories like that, I'm like, yeah, normally people don't just have these strange encounters. There's something else that's connected to it. And more likely they've got some type of psychic sense themselves about it. And I was right because later on, this is when I found another article about him describing his own astral experiences. And he says, at the age of eight, I found out that I could see the aura of trees. Oh.

Which is kind of strange, right? But of course, he just considered it to be a relatively normal thing that everyone could do. Yeah, exactly. It's true. Yeah, you could pull the energy out of trees and channel things through. But he says, my first understanding of something astral occurring actually came later one night when I was lying in bed. And he describes that he'd had this very exciting day. He'd been to a party and the energy was still built up within him. So he really couldn't get to sleep. So he lay there on his back and he said he was looking over his head.

When he suddenly noticed that the wall seemed to have this peculiar color to it, like a luminous light green paint. He said it glowed like waves of illuminated vapor. It was kind of just there on the wall, something he'd never seen before. And he said looking through the vapor, he could see these black vertical bars that

He's like, what on earth is that? So he puts his hand out and he was able to reach through this vapor in the wall. And he realized that these bars were actually the bed on the opposite side of the wall. It's like another bedroom. And he was reaching through the wall and was able to touch the metal bed on the other side.

And he said, when I got near any metal in the dark, the same thing would happen. Like this started to become a more common kind of occurrence for him. He said like it happened once when apparently he had climbed out of bed one evening and he put his slippers on and he was groping around the room in the dark trying to find his way out. It doesn't say why. I'm assuming he was going to get a glass of water or perhaps go to the bathroom. But he said he got near the fireplace great.

like the the protecting you know there's old protectors you have around fireplaces he said the the great started kind of glowing with the same luminosity and and phosphorescence does he have some kind of latent ability that he doesn't have any control of that's exactly yeah that seems to be what's occurring with this game remember it's only eight or nine at this age where this is happening he said much like what i reported earlier with this strange pulsing when he got closer to it it would get brighter and when he went away from it the glow would kind of disappear and he says naturally

I was thrilled. And he said, the only person who I could confide in with this was my mother's old nurse. Right? So he starts telling the nurse. And of course, the nurse didn't laugh at him. She just very seriously kind of looked at him and said, oh, you have the sight.

Like it was just this accepted thing. But what the site is, how does an eight or nine year old understand what this is? They have no concept of what astral travel is or what purpose it serves. But he noticed that as his gift or his ability seemed to develop for him, he said it was almost like he could look into a dark room and he said all of a sudden this light would appear and it was like the opening of a camera lens. And he said he could then, the camera lens would open

would open and he would be able to see through to landscapes. Like he'd see these other realms, these other spaces. And I'm beginning to think that Chapman is more like possibly one of these people that in those previous reports, people are having just random encounters that are connected to energy heavy kind of reports. Whereas with him, he may be a person who naturally has an ability just to be able to see these other realities, see these other, it doesn't depend on the location. It's just him and his personality. But he said,

The next phase came about in the form of floating and dual consciousness, where it kind of stepped up to the next level. And he said, I couldn't do these things at will, and the conditions had to be right. And he highlights, which is funny because...

You know, where do you have a lot of paranormal activity taking place? It's usually in the woods. There's something about it where, you know, there's something dark in the woods. And I've always thought, well, that's more likely because of the human imagination that it's like you see this dark foreboding place or, you know, a wood and you go, oh, there could be something scary in there. But no, for him, he was like, no, the woods had this kind of appeal to him where he'd go and relax. And he said, I came to the woods one dusk and he was lying on the ground and he found himself kind of being

flung out of his body. But the way that this occurred was that he was lying on his back. It was an August dusk afternoon, so it was still bright. And as he's laying there, he began thinking about, you know, this is cool lying here, but I'd really like to be riding my bike. And he says, immediately, I found myself on my machine cycling along the turnpike five miles away. And he reports that he was confused. He's like, I can't make out how I came to be there. It's like I was...

Like instantaneously transported until he realized that there was this dual consciousness going on. While he was still riding his bike, he was also lying on the ground in the woods. And he's- The out of body or something? No, he just said that the machine that he was on seemed to be extraordinarily light and he had to do it with no effort. There was no effort required where he'd ridden this location before where you would understand that there's a physical effort in riding. What's the machine? It's a bike.

It's his bike. He's just using flowery words to describe what was going on. You remember this is 1955, this is written. But he writes that around a bend, I saw one of the gardeners coming along and it was my friend Fred. So he yells out, hello, Fred. But Fred gives him no answer, but he passes this guy and the guy does spin around and look at him and they wave to each other. There's an acknowledgement. And he says, then all of a sudden the thought struck me.

this is wrong. And as soon as he thought that, it's like, bam, he's back lying in the woods. He's like, geez, that was weird. But of course, he's never experienced anything like this before. So, you know, apart from him just lying there on his back under the trees, he really hasn't been anywhere else. But that was the next day when he ran into Fred, the gardener. And Fred was like, oh, what were you up to yesterday? He says, oh, what do you mean? He's like, I saw you on the road. And then just suddenly you disappeared. You were gone. And

And he's like, oh. So this is more bi-location than dual consciousness. I guess it's the same thing. Yeah, exactly. He's actually projecting somewhere else. Like Padre Pio or the other saints. Exactly. But he's physically projecting because there's a validation here because when he was talking to Fred, Fred's like, well, and he describes to Fred, he's like, no, I actually got out of my body. He's like, I can prove it to you because I saw you at White Ball Corner, which is an area. And he's like, yeah, that's exactly where it was. He's like, I yelled at you. I was saying hi. He's like, I couldn't hear you. He's like,

He's like, I could see you, but I couldn't hear you. And for him, he realized, he said, oh, it seems that for whatever reason, there's no sound. And it was like the Oz effect, which is occurring with this. He also said, you seem to be whizzing along in a very peculiar fashion. He said, I noticed that your bike had made no sound, but also was throwing up no dust. Now, normally it would. This road is known. This is what would happen. When you ride along, it would throw up dust. He said it wasn't happening at all. So,

He fell for Chapman and he's like, this is the fourth dimension. It's like you ain't, but I'm like, no, not really. It's not the fourth dimension. You were in that reality. You just experienced bilocation as, as you rightly point out, Ben. So he says, then there was this one night where I was reading and I'd fallen asleep. And I said, he said, I dreamt that I was looking into this void and I was sitting in this void. And all of a sudden our cat was there and our cat focused its eyes. Yeah.

Now, as he's sitting in this void, right? So he says, for whatever reason, as he opens his eyes, it's like the cat is like right in front of him, the actual physical cat. And he was like, somehow in this dream space, he was able to see the cat while also it being right on top of him. And then he skips forward and he says, well, look, you know, this kind of continued throughout my life. It got to about a year before the world war broke out.

He met this lovely girl and she became his wife. And he said that they lived in this abbey. And this abbey had actually been given by King Henry VIII to Catherine. And he said, the atmosphere was actually most conductive to my experiments with his astral projection.

Because not a lot happened, but there was this fear as he was being sent off to war. He's like, look, I can't write all the time, but I will try to send you messages. And if I'm killed, I'll try and contact with you, get in contact with you. And he says, with the war reaching its end, I was with the squadron and he was a mechanic. And I'd just been transferred to this outfit where another fellow was there and he was my friend. And one day out of nowhere, though, he seemingly, it's not astral, but he had this premonition where he was like,

this is not a good hut. We can't be in this hut. We have to go somewhere else. And his friend was like, oh, you're being ridiculous. He's like, no, no, no, we've got to move. And he did. And he said later that night, the Germans came over and blasted the hell out of the place. And it ended up killing 100, no, sorry, there were 150 men and only 40 survived. So 110 men were killed that night. But funnily enough, this premonition also coincided with a weird Vardiger effect that he caused

back at his wife's home. Because he said that one evening when he was off duty, he had a dream about riding his motorbike through the beautiful courtyard and into this countryside. So when you come up to this home, as you can imagine, it would have trees on both sides and this long kind of winding driveway. And he said he was on his motorbike and he rode vividly. He said it was a vivid dream. He rode his motorbike up the driveway and pulled into the house and then the dream kind of ended. And when he got home, his wife was like, we knew you were coming. And

And not only me, but other family members, because we would hear your motorcycle coming up the driveway. We would hear you stopping. You're putting down the kickstand. We would hear you climb off. We would hear you walk up to the door and go to open the door. And then

Nothing. Was it you that was describing the story of the guy who was stuck at work and he's boring nine to five and it was like three in the afternoon and he just started to fantasize about going home and getting a cold beer and watching the game? Did you describe that recently? I think that was me, yeah. Or did I read it recently? No, no, there are. His wife was like, yeah, what are you doing home so early? Yeah.

And then he just vanished. Well, it's this weird Vardiga effect. And normally, though, with the Vardiga effect where you have it, it's like the living ghost, right? Is it the Japanese call it the Yeroko or something like that? But it's like these stories are so good because you have people saying, well, I actually experienced it. You know, I was able to know when you were doing it. And yet you've got these other people saying, well, I had this dream, but it wasn't a dream. And then we get to kind of like one of his later stories where he said, well, when the Second World War happened, he was too old to go to service, obviously, but he joined the Home Guard.

And he said when he joined the Home Guard, for the first time, he was feeling really unwell. Like he had this terrible raging temperature. Like it wasn't just a normal, oh, I had a cold. He was like it was a flu raging temperature. You know, not good for him. So he went off to his watch and while he was on his watch –

His thoughts started going to his condition, right? And somehow he said, I remember the words of this great occultist and she had told me about the ceremony of making an appeal. And he said, he followed the instructions of the ceremony when he said, suddenly I found myself standing outside my body. But in his astral form, he started pulling the ill condition out of his body.

It was like he was drawing the energy out that was caused. And he said what he did, he dissolved it. He was like pulling out and dissolving it. He said, immediately afterwards, I woke up and I was completely healed. I had no trouble whatsoever. My wife was rather surprised at the fact that I no longer have this heavy, chesty cold. It was completely gone. That's cool. I love those stories. Yeah, like this weird healing. And he says, look, he points out as well that, look, when I've passed into these realms as well,

Things seem to have this peculiar glowing green phosphorescent vapor. He says you can pass through solid matter when you see these things. He also later on describes something that he didn't tell people for a long time.

Which makes me go, look, he's had a lot of weird experiences, but maybe he was jumping on the trend at the time. But he claims that the most tragic thing he ever experienced was that of this particular evening when he couldn't get to sleep, like one of his earlier experiences. And he said the opposite wall, which was roughly feet away, he said he noticed that it started changing.

And he said, the dimness changed this phosphorescent greenish blue light. And he said, I looked down, I found myself surrounded by waves. And it was like, he said, it was so vivid that there was water like rushing up to the side of the bed and splashing the bed. It was like his bed was kind of sitting on the sea. And he said, there was this ship and it was evidently in distress and he could see it. He said, I could see the whole scene. And I watched it until the great ship's final plunge.

Well, this particular evening, you know where this is going. He said the walls of his room closed in again and he found himself back in his room in a cold sweat. The following morning, he found on the 15th of April that the Titanic had sunk.

And this was reported. This is what's really important. He says, I told my father in the night. I told my housekeeper because when he went up to go and tell his father about this weird experience, he ran into the housekeeper who was still awake. Oh, no, sorry. He woke up the housekeeper because he wanted a pen and paper. And he wrote it down and he was able to describe this the very next morning. So he said, the morning we knew, the following morning we knew that my astral vision had indeed been correct in every harrowing detail.

like a truly incredible experience that these people have. Wait a sec. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Thank you.

Probably not the one I would have used. I would have used the other one, but that's okay. I get that. That's fine. So let's go back to Chapman. Let's look at some of his other experiences. And this comes from a Fate magazine that was published in 1956. It's issue number nine. He says, look, in the West country of England, and as we know this, right, it's host to a wide range of superstition, witchcraft, magic, and strange happenings of all kinds, all kinds. He says there's the village of Parenham. And in this particular village, there's this old story about

of the Phantom Wolf, right? And this Phantom Wolf is said on certain nights to prowl about the village. It would howl. It would be seen loping in the moonlight along the Green Walk. And this Green Walk was a walkway which led from his home, Chapman's home, to the gardener's cottage on the edge of the

And funnily enough, this ties in with an old story that we know quite well. We know these stories from, we've spoken about it with the hyena shapeshifters, like the witchcraft that's practiced there. We've heard this from like the were tiger reports and similar stories, shamanistic stories of shapeshifting where he says, look,

I'd heard about this story as a child about this weird phantom wolf, but none of that really kind of stood out until many years later, he ran into one of the older men of the village, a very jovial fellow by the name of Tap. And he said, Tap told him the story. He was like, look,

I've seen the wolf, or at least I've very much encountered stories about the wolf. And there was this one particular day where someone had shot the wolf. Actually, he said it was his father. His father had shot the wolf. The wolf ran off and disappeared. But the very next day, there was this old crone that

that lived in a house, a very small house at the end of the village called Amy Prose. She was a witch. She's got a limp? She had a village. Sorry, she had a village. She had a limp. Yeah, she had a limp, right? So these are old hat stories and it's like, yeah, okay, well, this is just, you know, basically a bashing of some poor old woman. I mean, it's just the same archetype of the story. Yeah, exactly. It's been retold in a thousand different versions all over the world. Exactly. Yeah, you're exactly right. And yet this story of this phantom wolf in this village persisted. Um,

But he points out that it's like she was also known as being a wise woman and people would go and see this wise woman. In fact, Tapp said that he'd had this problem with warts. So, of course, where do you go? It's like you go and see this wise woman and she produced some type of orange colored juice from a herb that apparently got rid of them. And, you know, it's like,

She was very much this superstitious kind of figure in this village. But there was also something else that happened many, many years later because apparently Tapp said, look, we were convinced that she was the wolf and that she was able to turn herself into this figure herself.

whenever it suited her, but for what purpose, who knows why they do anything. But he says those who saw the wolf swore that it was so powerful that it could even cross water by walking on the surface. This is how much the story kind of really took off. But none of that is really

that important to, he says many, many years later, many years later, he said he was having a drink with tap on a summer's evening in 1912, which I read this before I read his other experiences about astral travel. So, and having the sight of having this ability, but he claims that, uh, in fact, in, in conjunction with what I was talking about in the last plus show, um,

He said there was this storm. He said there was this storm that kind of came over. It was a very warm evening. There were occasional flashes of lightning now visible in the distance. But he said there was this very green and silver pattern that was dancing across the grass. He wasn't entirely sure what it was. But he also says that while lying on my side and looking through the open tent flap, because he'd been camping, because it was so warm, he was camping. He says, I noticed something moving along the green walk.

He says it was outlined in a luminous glow and it was a huge wolf. Its jaws seemed to salivate with a phosphorescent drip. And he says as it approached, this evil smell filled the air. And I'm wondering, is he like describing sulfur? Yeah, exactly. Now he woke up his friend who was camping with and he's like, hey, hey, hey, wake up, wake up. It's the wolf. It's like, it's the wolf. And, you know, straight away he was like, oh, you're being ridiculous. And he rolls over and he's like, oh.

Like, yeah, it's right there. Now, apparently he started reciting the Lord's prayer. He's like, well, what else do we do? You know, so he and Tom started reciting this, this Lord's prayer. And he says, uh, as soon as we reached the line, deliver us from evil, there was this blinding flash of lightning followed by a rumble, which seemingly caused the wolf to change its course and walk off along the walk towards the cottage.

He writes, as we watched another form emerge from the branches near the well. There was a well down the side. Yeah. He said it appeared to be a grisly grayish collie dog. Then began something that is difficult to describe. It was a soundless but truly horrible fight between the wolf and the dog.

They got into this like weird Spock-Kirk dog battle, dog-wolf battle. Yeah, exactly. He said they snarled, rolled and jumped. And eventually... He said there was no sound though. Well, there's sound for us. He says eventually the wolf seemed to lift the dog into the air and then throw it into the well.

He writes, we were horror struck as we watched this and we watched the still outlined greenish glow disappear towards the cottage and enter the cottage through a closed door. Like pass through it. Reminds me of one of my favorite wolf paranormal novels. Oh, Witch in the Wood. Charmed and Dangerous. Charmed and Dangerous. Great. Nearly as good as Moment of Tooth.

And my personal favorite, Double Desire. Oh my, is this this crap, this AI crap that's now like- No, I just searched for Wolf Witch and all these like dirty paranormal novels came up. Yeah. Sorry, continue. It's full of that. But what's important is he said there was another flash of lightning and this seemingly released us from our stunned immobile states. And we realized that the cottage was actually struck by lightning and was now alight.

So the cottage is now on fire. Now he says, we dashed off for help. But in those days, there wasn't even a telephone in the village. By the time we got the local fire brigade in, the cottage had burnt to the ground. So a weird coincidence, right? Like the wolf walks into this thing after some strange Kirk battle and then burns to the ground. But he says, here's the kicker. Some years later, another cottage was built near the site. And during the construction and the renovation, they had to pull up the well, right? Yeah.

Now, apparently this woman had been, who was the witch, right? Previously, she'd shown up at this cottage and was pissed off because she thought someone had stolen her cup. She had this weird three-handled cup thing, right? And no one was ever able to find it.

Weird detail. Well, it's weird. The reason why it's weird because it's just- I've lost me cup. Well, pretty much. Where's me three-handled cup? Some people have suggested that she'd used it in witchcraft. Right. But this was like part of the legend and part of the story. Not really that important until when they were renovating this site, they dug up a three-handled quart cup that was filled with coins in a niche in the side of the old well. On top of that, from the well, they pulled up the skeleton of what appeared to be a collie dog that was down at the bottom.

So it's like, while what they seemingly had witnessed was spectral...

there was some weird physicality to it. And he writes that I never found the courage to sleep anywhere near the Green Walk ever again. And I still wonder if that wolf runs through there. And maybe, I don't know what to make of that. But I would say that this is just him having his psychic abilities. But the fact that his friends saw it as well, and it's consistent with legends of that area, it suggests that no, this is some type of recurrence of, I don't know if it's a curse or

strange kind of things. They need to bring back Fate magazine classics like that. Yeah, I mean, well, to be honest with you, I did go through a lot of old, because the Fate stuff is good. Look at the old Fate magazine covers. Like every single issue had a half-naked lady on the cover. It's a bit Netflix for the time, isn't it? Like it's got that. Just make Fate magazine great again. Yeah, it's not like that anymore. Yeah, it's definitely not like that anymore. This one's good.

I don't know if the woman on top of the triceratops. The man tamed the dinosaur. Yeah, is the woman on top of the triceratops attacking the man? I don't know. Or is it a family of Stone Age people attacking the triceratops? I don't know. And what's the kid thinking? Is he like, come on, mom, calm down?

I just love these profound, deep discussions that you raise, Ben. I think that's what's happening. Do you think it's some type of domestic dispute? I think the woman has just lost it and she's jumped on her favorite triceratops and she's like, fuck you. She's attacking him. And the kid's like, come on, mom, calm down.

I could say something right now, but I won't. So then, right, then you get real bangers. Like speaking of dogs. Let's go. Speaking of dogs and it being Halloween, you get the story of the invisible dog, right? So this flowed on from this weird invisible kind of thing, but it relates to Jip. And I just wanted to mention this story because it was republished actually from the writings of Lady Eleanor Smith. She published this back in 1939. It was republished in 1940. Okay.

But she describes something which is, we've heard this with children that describe having invisible friends. And children, when they describe these things, there's numerous reports out there where most of us go, it's a child with an overactive imagination. And yet we know from those reports. A great example was this kid describing that there was some little girl that was in his room. And the little girl was like,

And later on, the family found out because they moved, because it became so unsettling and so creepy, that when they moved out, they found out from a neighbor later on that a family had lost a child in a house fire in that particular location. So it was like, well, was it an invisible friend or could the child actually see something? This was something very similar to what Lady Eleanor Smith described when she said, look, one night I woke up to feel this weight upon my feet. It was at the end of the bed and I put on the light. I saw this dog.

lying on the end of my bed. It wasn't invisible. It wasn't spectral. It was this dog. It was a scrubby white terrier with sandy patches. It just stared at me and I stared back. I felt no curiosity for whatever reason as to its presence, which is interesting because that's also what you hear with some people that have these experiences. You kind of wake up and you're like, oh, okay. There's an alien in my bedroom. Back to sleep. Great. She said I was very sleepy, so I put the light out.

And when I woke up in the morning, the dog had vanished. So when something like that happens, yeah, it's a hypnagogic apparition or experience, like there's nothing really to it.

But she said, then it came back the next night. And when it came back, I stroked it. She's like, I could feel it. I could feel its fur. I could feel its sensation. And she said it came back the following night after that to the point where she called it gyp. This is the name, G-Y-P is the name she came up with. And she said, look, at first, no one took any notice as she was describing these things. But she had a nurse, right, who was called Buster.

And this nurse was kind of just saying, oh, it's just one of your childhood fancies. You know, it's one of these things. And she was kind of ready to accept that until she said that her family was very tolerable and good-humored about it. Until one day in the middle of the day, it wasn't in the night, she was sitting in the drawing room with her mother and her grandmother when the door just suddenly swung open. In trotted, Jip!

He just wandered into the room. She says, I've never seen him in the daytime before, but he was just there. And she said, I ran over to him. I started stroking him and petting him. And I was extremely excited and happy. Could anyone else see the dog? No, she's like her mother and her grandmother were looking at her like she was completely nuts. Like she completely lost it. And she got really angry because she was like,

Granny, please. And the grandmother's like, what are you talking about? There's nothing there. And she's like, why can't you see him? Why? To the point where the grandmother was like, Eleanor, you know, off to your room. Like she was really irritated about this. And she said, all this did, it was just...

make me even more wild. It, it wasn't my imagination. And she said, I was dancing up and down with rage. And because of this, she was forcibly removed from the room, which is where she lost sight of Jip. So this actually, you know, furthered her fury. It got her even more angry. Um, but soon she said, this Jip came every day, would come on walks with them, trot along, you know, obediently. She could see it. No one else could see it. Um,

She said that her nurse, though, who was inclined to superstition, was like, yeah, this is getting too freaky now. You need to get the kid to a doctor. You need to get the kid hospitalized or do something. And so the mother was like, okay, fine. So they went to a doctor. And what's a doctor going to do? The doctor said, get the kid a real dog. And she's like, yeah, she did. She got a real dog. And I called this dog Sammy. It was a Welsh Terrier. And amazingly, as soon as this terrier arrived, pretty soon afterwards, Jip vanished. Good solution. He just vanished. And she said,

What's really important to point out about this though, is that to this day, I never understood what happened, but this was not a figment of my imagination. This was a figment that was oddly solid. He was even heavier than my dog that sat on my leg and into the point where it was difficult for me to pick him up, but he was always there. I really could see this thing. So what are we to make of this? What are we to make of these actual

physical manifestations to a ghost dog. Simple ghost dog story. I don't know if it's a ghost dog. I don't know if it's a ghost dog. I think it could be. What else would it be? I don't know. But why is it physical? I think this is tying more into it being some type of dimensional kind of thing. I think there's something going on.

Well, the only thing I could do, I was going to give you the psychic instructions for how to make a bed. But I'm just looking at the time. I'm going to get into other things. Okay, so the crux of this story, right? The crux of this story is really funny. Essentially, there's no author. What does the bed do? What makes it psychic? There's no author. So what makes it psychic is that the protagonist in this story claims that

there was a friend coming to stay, essentially. A friend was coming to stay at their house and they were like, oh my God, I don't have a bed. I don't have a bed for them. And for whatever reason, rather than going out and just buying one, it doesn't explain any of that. This person developed this real serious concern about the fact that this friend was coming. And they not only did they not have a bed, but they didn't have an ornate kind of bed to show off with. So distressed one evening, this person goes to sleep and in their dream, this guy shows up and he's like,

Sit down, I'm now going to describe how to build an ornate bed. And like, through the dream, like they're cutting out fabric and he's like telling them how to saw things and build the frame. And for whatever reason, the writer's like, the following day I got up, I ran out, I bought the exact materials, I knew the exact length to cut it to. In my dream also, this guy had given me full instructions on how to upholster and they upholstered and made this bed to where the French showed up. I was like, oh my God, it's the most beautiful bed

I've ever seen. Where did you get that? Saturday, I started to work and as I progressed, I scarcely had to think. I just knew how to do it.

So real bangers. So from 1950s fate magazines. Not an extremely useful repeatable skill. I imagine you'd do it once and then be done with it. I don't know really what to do with that. Where should we go next? I think we'll go through to, we'll go into- Have you got any more haunted dog stories? I actually, well, close, close. I've got some apparition stories actually, which was reminding me of something. I've got, what should we go with? Shall we go with the noisy phantom of the Louisiana swamp?

Or shall we go with the ancient Greek ghost? No. Both are as enthralling as each other. Okay. All right. You've asked for it then. You've got... We're going to go with the ancient Greek ghost. It's building up. You've got to tell the story. Oh, I was waiting for it to end. There's no end to it. Okay. I can hear the crescendo building. I can hear it getting louder. No? I can't remember what this sound effect does, how long it even is.

Screw it. Screw it. We'll go into the electric. You fucking bitches. Oh, that's right. That's what it does. I forgot about that one. I haven't played that because it's so long. It's like 25 seconds. I've got to time it for the end of your segment. Okay. All right, all right, all right. So here we'll go into the electric people, right? This is something I wanted to mention because it goes back to Chapman, actually. I was thinking about Chapman. I think that it's not entirely something which is psychical. I think there is some type of phantasmagoria

physicality to it, some type of impulse that occurs, right? And this actually tied in. As I was thinking about this, I'm like, this reminds me of the stories of the electric people, right? And Marcus Lurth was actually working on a little research packet for me. Do you mean sliders? People that affect electricity and... Sliders, yeah. Because...

As much as like... Streetlights and microwaves and their watches stop working and all that sort of stuff. Exactly. That's the kind of thing. So sliders like really picked up attention from the works of Hilary Evans. So Hilary Evans, you know, who sadly has passed now, but he did a lot of research into sliders.

And, you know, with sliders, you know, these are people, it's called sliders because it's street light interference. And where it all kind of really simply started was there were people that would walk under street lamps and the street lamps would just suddenly go out. Flicker or go out. Flicker or go out. It was also been referred to as high voltage syndrome. And it's this apparent ability of some people to consciously or unconsciously in some circumstances affect street lighting. Now, look, this has been quite heavily, I shouldn't say debunked,

But it's been quite heavily attacked in the past. And I think some of their explanations for it are quite rational, particularly around the time where this was taking off, where the street lamps that were being used in many of these areas were sodium based, I believe. And with sodium or sodium mercury or something, maybe not that, but basically what would happen is street lamps would overheat. They were shut down for a certain period of time and then turned back on.

This is just a natural effect of the street lamp. And so somehow there was an effect going on here, a psychological effect, nothing supernatural, of where people were kind of having this form of pattern recognition where enough people would walk under enough street lamps that would drop out that they would start to believe that they were influencing that light. But then you've got the other side of the coin where it's like, no, these people seemingly not only affect street lamps. It was everything else. It's everything else. They have this long history of...

You know, causing their wristwatches to count backwards or to stop or to be drained or, as you pointed out, their microwaves would not function or people couldn't have computers or severe electrical disturbances were going on inside their homes. And Marcus writes that several people have suggested, people that are in scientific positions,

suggests that there is some type of connection to electrical impulses of the human mind, or the human brain, obviously, and that our thoughts and actions, that even if they're subconscious, they can somehow radiate from outside the body. Sorry, I just went to the site, the review, the top review for this Sliders book. It's a woman going, finally, someone, I can show this to my arrogant doctor. And if you're

You read through it. She says that when she gets in her car, all the windows start going, all the lights and blinkers start going on. Funnily enough, as I was reading through some of these cases, which I'll get into, I was running a bit long, but we'll get into them. Uh,

It was describing what I felt like in some circumstances, and I think this might be happening to some people. It's a kind of electrical gang-stalking, right? You reckon? Yeah, it's like that. And I don't mean it in the sense of there's some... That means they're delusional. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, there's not some dark, nefarious group that's causing your washing machine to turn on in the middle of the night. It's these people have enough bad, just, you know, it's a coincidental experiences with electronic things that...

that they then believe that they're actually being targeted by some errant force, which is causing this to take place. But he also writes, look, you've got people like the Pair Lab, like the Princeton Engineering Anomalies Research Group, which also has been since shut down. But they did studies into how a person's subconscious might affect electrical devices. And they found that some subjects demonstrated a remarkable ability to influence random generations of numbers in computers.

So maybe, maybe that's the same kind of thing. It's suggesting that maybe something's going on. That's just the consciousness effect though. Maybe that's what I thought as well. It's not necessarily the electric thing. But, you know, for people that do experience this phenomena,

They say that they've noticed that there's a trend. And funnily enough, it goes back to what I think a lot of this stuff is attached to, is that they have sly experiences when they're stressed or anxious. Well, that's what the woman whose car was going crazy was saying because it happened after her daughter passed away. So she was so stressed out. Yeah. Everything was going crazy. Well, I...

I'm beginning to wonder. I'm not entirely sure, but just from my knowledge and just looking at these cases, I wonder if this is like a weird subcategory of poltergeist experiences. Because like some people have said, it's like the... What's it called? The...

The living psi hypothesis where poltergeist activity is caused by, you know, like a teen going through puberty, all that energy externally manifests and results in poltergeist phenomena. Maybe this is kind of like a ratcheted level down. It's like you're affecting electrical things, but you're not generating enough energy or force to create poltergeist like activity. Although in saying that,

Some people that are sliders and experience slider phenomena go on to later experience poltergeist phenomena, consistent with things like puddles of water appearing inside their homes, which is classic poltergeist kind of stuff. So there's this story of Bradley. So he regularly experiences these strange events. He said that they often occurred when he was feeling down or depressed. He didn't understand this until later in life. But he said that he can remember back as far as being nine years old, where he would just...

And this is fascinating. When he was down, right, this is the next level of sly phenomenon. Because when he was depressed or sad, the streetlights wouldn't turn off. That actually changed to a shade of blue as he passed underneath them. And what's blue? Like blue is a color which is associated with depression and sadness, right? Like, oh, you're feeling a bit blue. You know, it's funny that he would have that. Then conversely, on occasions where he was feeling happy or up, he said that if he concentrated, he could make street lamps glow a warm peach color.

Like you could actually change the color. And maybe the next report is written, like maybe it's written by the woman in that review, but you've got the account of Jennifer Brown. So Jennifer Brown wrote about her experiences in a medium post called Supernatural Phenomenon or Confirmation Bias, I'll Let You Decide. And she goes on to describe a lifetime of these odd experiences where she starts off rather mildly, if I can put it that way, where it kind of occurred in 1988,

where she was walking home one evening and the streetlight went out. But it just so happened that she stood on a wobbly paving stone. And she thought, oh, well, maybe obviously the paving slab is affecting the light. Like she must be standing on the light. It's on the cable or something. Yeah, it's on the cable, right? But then she said she did it the next night and she said that the street lamp still went off when she walked under it, but the paving stone had been repaired. So that couldn't be what was going on. So she starts looking around and this is where the gang stalking comes in, right? Because she looks over and she says she sees a camera

And she's like, oh, oh, there's a camera. The security guards must be turning the light on and off to mess with me. Like that's immediately what she goes to. She didn't go to desire phenomena. It's a bit of a stretch. Of course it is. Yeah, of course. It's like the old, I'm the center of my own TV show. I'm the main star. Well, that's why I was thinking like this kind of has this whole mind. And of course, you know, people have their own neuroticies and eccentricities. So, you know, maybe that's just a personality trait of hers. What do they call it? Like

main character syndrome. Yeah. Well, it's like a social media phenomenon now. Yeah. But she said that with these security cameras, right, for whatever reason, she'd, she'd had it happen a few times and then she kind of put it in the back of her mind and moved on.

But around a year later, another strange event occurred where she'd moved to Germany as part of her studies. She was out with her friends and she was a little bit sad though, because she missed her old friends and she missed her home and her boyfriend. And, you know, lights are turning off. And then she started, you know, roaming the streets, you know, just to get some fresh air by herself. And she was sad.

And she said that lights once again would start turning off. She'd walk past a small tower building and she said the street lamps would go off above her. Again, she sees security cameras mounted and she's like, okay, okay. But it's weird because why on earth would you have like a security guards that board that in Scotland, they're doing this, like they've got somehow control over the street lamps. And then you, a year later, you move to Germany and the same thing's happening. They're controlling it with the mind lasers next. Well, that's, well, you know, it's funny you should say that.

No, because by 1990, she'd gone home to Scotland. But basically by this point, she was engulfed in this confusion, right? Because she said, and it's funny, it's like this weird kind of feedback loop where she started getting more stressed about it because she started noticing it more. So the more she noticed it, the more she got stressed, the more she got stressed, the more she noticed it.

and this kind of loop just kept on happening. And she says it wasn't until the mid-1990s with the arrival of the internet that she was able to find other people that had had this experience. And she realized it was this unique phenomenon of sliders that were happening. So she said, she realized that, yeah, some people have suggested that they emit some type of subconscious electrical impulse that can affect what's going on. And whether this is a coincidence or not,

Jennifer said that these incidents, kind of once she acknowledged it, became less and less. But they didn't stop entirely because several years later, she moved to a new town, found herself making new friends. One night she's out with these friends. All of a sudden, it was almost like she had conscious control over it where she was able to just actually turn the street light off. It's like the phenomenon kind of improves. She yells out, I bet you I can switch that off. And as soon as she passed underneath it, it did indeed turn off.

Her friends were quite impressed by this ability. And I wonder, was she doing that or was it just because of these old street lamps? Maybe she could detect when a certain street lamp was going to turn off. Maybe very subtle cues because of that heating of it or something. I don't know. But it ties in with other reports because then you've got Debbie Wolfe.

A more recent report, this is from 2012, this was published in The Standard, and it related to a little town in Brighton in the south of England. And she claims that not only can she turn off street lamps, her problem was that her digital clocks in her home would go haywire. She's 38 years old. She has no ability to control this. But whenever she was stressed or stewing over something, she would come home to find that her fridge had defrosted.

And she had no control over it, right? She said she would blow at a series of street lamps like she'd go on a motorbike, and rather than just turn them on, she would blow them out. It just sounds like the most annoying ability. Oh, it is. It's immensely frustrating. Because you can't have anything electronic around it.

it's always going to malfunction and you have to buy a new one. Well, that's right. There was, where was it? Was it the story of Tybalt? No, no, sorry. I don't actually have the name. There was a one witness who claims that they themselves had a series of encounters with this strange phenomena, this odd effect on electronic equipment. But then their sister passed away.

And they were cleaning out the sister's home when he found a box of 30 battery-operated watches that had all been destroyed, like electrically destroyed. And he realized that it was a result of this electrical phenomenon. But then you've got Tybalt, apparently, who claims that...

He said that his entire mother's side of the family had these strange electrical problems. But apparently it's so common that the jeweler, like the town jeweler, knew about it and told these people that had these effects to glue a copper coin to the underside of their watch and it would stop the effect and it did so.

So it's like, it must be that common. How does that work? Because it's like, it's, it's like a recognition of things going on. So I don't mean, does the copper somehow dissipate to the. Their energy field or something. Yeah. It's, it's weird. Yeah. A copper penny, you know, glue a copper penny behind the watch and it will solve the problem. Then you have James who said he knew that there was always something different about him because television sets would malfunction when he was in the room for no apparent reason. Lights would go out altogether. Yeah.

But he also noticed that he would experience extreme emotion. And when he did, this is when weird things would take place. It was only when he was in a bad or negative mood, when almost like a radius, these things would go out around him. Then you got Blondie as well, who claims that she was in a lot of pain one day. So physical pain. I don't know what from, but there was some pain that she was in.

I don't know why you're laughing at that. Was that the wrong choice with the sailboard or was she just leaving that one? Just trying to spice up your segment about lights turning on. Wow. But she claims that she was in a mall, like a shopping mall, and she walked past this little hobby shop and she saw a guy working on a model airplane. And she said she was in such a significant amount of pain at the time that for whatever reason, she was able to focus that pain onto the plane and

The plane engine suddenly turned on and the plane took off. Okay, now we're talking. She can zap planes out of the sky. She can move that. You've also got Kaleida. Kaleida experienced this weird effect of releasing energy. She said that she could actually control and ground the energy. So maybe that was happening in the case of pain before. But she would actually have to dispel it. She said she'd have to take a deep breath, control it, dispel it.

But then there's other things that tie in more with the supernatural kind of effect. So you've got Josh, and Josh had these experiences of mobile phones that couldn't last longer than a few months before they just completely stopped working. Batteries would obviously die out. He said that phones would come back on and start randomly sending messages. It's kind of like getting to the next level of interference.

But then it came from something. It came from some type of event. And it's not described which, but you've got Camilla who knows exactly where it came from. Camilla said that when she was 11 years old, she was electrocuted by a 220-volt shock. Whoa. It threw her 10 feet across the room. And she said pretty soon after this, she started experiencing the electrical anomalies. She said she would start breaking watches, which she could no longer wear. She couldn't walk into banks because computers would stop working in retail stores.

Apparently she went into Walmart, which caused a complete blackout and she had to leave. But it's seemingly that she could focus it on this event of being electrocuted. It would be awesome when you're in public with those annoying people that talk on the phone really loudly. Yeah.

People that have their personal speakers. Yep. Just turn them off. Just turn them off. Well, a similar experience was reported by Chad. This name was given. Apparently he was involved in a terrible car accident when he's only seven years old. Nothing happened immediately, but the following year he was able to control street lamps simply by walking past them.

So he was able to pinpoint this event. So maybe this traumatic event had caused it. But then, he says much later on, when he was older, he said that when he was meditating, he realized that he could control this energy. He said he could concentrate on it and he could control things electrically around him, but he would feel heat in the palm of his hands. It's like he could feel it in a similar sense to Tumo, where he could actually control it and he could use the energy to push it to turn on and off electrical devices and

And he said that when he wasn't meditating, the effect just dissipated. It was like some type of control that was coming from that. Then, of course, you've got Bob Rylance. Again, he's having these things, but guess what? He was abducted by aliens.

So his effects started taking place. These strange buzzings. He got abducted by aliens and all he got out of it is the streetlights turn off. Yeah, it was after he was abducted by aliens. He said as a young child, he would awake gripped by a wave of fear. And he said there was this presence in the room that was next to him.

And apparently he'd like to tell his mother about it. And his mother was like, oh yeah, you know, I had those experiences as well. Like typical of alien stuff following the familiar line. But it wasn't until he was older that he said that strange figures would appear inside his bedroom and immediately afterwards there would be electrical malfunctions all throughout his home.

as a result of this. But then it would be poltergeisty as well because he said something like he had a razor, an electric razor, and he put it in a box and put it next to his bed. But one evening when one of these figures had shown up, he said that he woke up and he found it plugged into a socket in the kitchen. And he was like, there's no way I put it there. So it's like, did the being transfer it? It's just weird connected to it, right? Then you've got a report from November of 1978 of Antonio Arada

She was awakened to find a seven-foot-tall reptilian humanoid looming over her bed. He was clad in black from head to toe and a helmet that was

that was concealing its face. Did he find his shaver plugged into a different outlet after the reptilian came? She reported that she was hit by a blast of icy cold air where she lost consciousness. When she regained her consciousness, she found a glowing metallic sphere hovering over her head. She said this chilling air was being emitted by the spherical object.

After this, she said she felt like somehow she was being regenerated. In the following year, she would then experience consistent electrical malfunctions in all the devices around her and her home. So it's like, okay, well, what's the result of this if you're encountering paranormal phenomena? Is it a side effect?

of encountering these beings or are these beings somehow instilling this into people? Like, what's to, what are we to make of it? What are we running at? Oh, I've got a little bit. No, we don't. Okay. All right. Fine. Fine. All right. Do you have any more stories of shavers going into other outlets up your sleeve? Well, I mean, I know that that's extremely enthralling, but I've still got ghost cats. What else have we got? Oh my God. Haunted toasters. Oh, I've done the bed. We did that one. We did the phantom dog. Ha ha ha.

Look, I'll hold the phantom toaster, the green phosphorescent glowing time-traveling time tunnel toaster until the next show. Maybe. Why are you rubbing your eyes? Why are you so distressed by this? Is it just too much for you to handle, Ben? Is it too much paranormal phenomena for you? When the cameras are on me and I do some kind of thing, you're not meant to talk about it. Like when the camera's on you and I'm going like this. Oh, whoa. Whoa.

No, I'm just keen to get into Coal Region Hoodoo Paranormal Tales from Inside the Pit. Awesome. By Maxim Furyk. He's going to talk about the Shepton mythology, which is these three miners that got buried back in the 1960s and started to see some of the things you're describing, like

doors opening up in the blackness of the mine leading to strange places along with other beings that they saw. Awesome. Also, underground Tokyo. Yes, that then leads me to some stuff from Timothy Green Beckley we'll touch on, but also this, whatever it is, by some Japanese guy about some stuff in Tokyo. All I can read is Sarita. I don't know what the rest of it is. Indecipherable.

Unless you can read kanji and you're fine. We're just going to guess what it's about. We could guess. No, it's about some kind of underground secret city in Tokyo. He claims that he's been uncovering over the years. The book is up to the fifth edition, so there must be something going on. That's all available on our Plus extension. Head to mysteriousuniverse.org forward slash plus. Sign up today and get access to the big extensions we do.

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