Danica Patrick: Life After Racing, Conspiracy Theories and the Search for Truth
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Infect maybe the only woman really ever american professional car racing. And she's also, and this is not known to her many fans perhaps, but a great and charming and interesting and smart person. And we were grateful that SHE joins us now in studio.

Ic, Patrick, thank you. Thank you for coming on. Why would you? Why would you soly your storied career by coming here?

You are you kidding me like this is of the utmost important because i'm curious about politics for the first time I I even .

know are going to .

talk about that today.

Well, I am i'm just interested to because like every professional letes have ever met from a very Young age, you're in the cyclone are totally focused on what you do. You did a very unconventional thing. You are not the benfica ary of there is no informative action in car racing is just like who's fastest. And so to get there, obviously every week moment, I soon has focused on that, right?

And it's like such an yes and the the mindset is such a narrow focus ah so you and I only observe IT I can only notice IT now based on the contrast where I can take in so much more, I can receive so much more. I didn't even remember everybody's name that i'd meet on the weekends.

And you are just in this regimented routine and this a very, very narrow focus of being able to go out there and drive a couple hundred miles an hour, put your life on the line for, you know, years and years and years and years. So IT was, people ask me the time, are you done racing? And i'm like for sure i'm done racing. And I said, but if I had to do IT, I know I could, but I would take so long to to narrow back up again so that I could be in that in that focus to do IT.

So what's the region like for keeping that focus?

No, there are just less distractions. There's just almost not time for IT. Um but you doves your sponsor appearances, you do team meetings, you go work out. But like you pretty much don't do other activities, you're not distracted and interested in getting your cup filled with a lot of other things. You're just racing all the time.

So but how do you keep the distractions the world away from you?

They never come in in the first place. They never come in the first place.

which is where I you're in a so .

you're so insulated, you're just the schedule, the schedule and you're always at the mercy of of a sponsor needs you if you need to go testing. And so then when I was done now, I realized how many other things I do. People ask me what I do now, like, well, well, I list a whole bunch of things and also take a lot of vacations now. And so there are so many other interests I have that um IT IT sort of is yes, IT just spreads you out a lot more.

Did you feel you're coming out of an enclosed space when you left? You had missed things?

No, no, no. I mean, I didn't feel like I was in closed, but I felt like the fact that I could make my own schedule was just brand new to me. yeah. Fact that I could plan a fiction was brand new to me. Or like somebody be like, oh, we're getting married this week.

but I might be able to make IT. Yes, I know a few.

A good feel that is to have some freedom to you know be the controller of your destiny and also plan the fun when you want to plan IT. I also notice one thing too, and I I I don't know this is something you felt too, but um I used to not be able to dow regulate very easily and relax and and even just going on vacation was never really enough IT would be you'd have that feeling the first few days of if IT wasn't longer than five days long by the day two or you thought already am leaving and you never relaxed where now I I can go have a half day and relax in my half day, but back in the day and I couldn't relax for a week.

So what did you do? I mean, how did you relax? Because mean you have to on line at some point where you go insane.

Um not much I don't think very much you know i'd always stay very up regulated or like get up, work out, do these things yeah which is probably why I took me like a few years to heal my address, ines, and I believe heal my get into paris, sympathetic.

And what's the world like that? You live in all of the people like kind of cut.

throw. And I think that one of the things that I was ready to be done worth is that I just felt like like the people I was all IT wasn't also either that I wasn't that happy like everybody was crying. Everybody was just like grinding IT was like week and week out and almost yeah yeah exactly I was just all like such a grind and um and you know people were okay.

There was some nice people but in general IT was like um stressful you know competitive, political. I mean there was of course political in racing. And um so I was yeah I just wasn't like just doesn't as fun anymore at the end or I noticed .

IT wasn't so there's not like a bar wear all all the drivers to hang out.

Well, a nice car. There was a lot more of those bars to hang out. And I mean that figures, timely speaking, like there were such some guys that were more fun and relax more, but the car was much more serious um there be drivers that would talk about like I don't drink during the season and I was like bammer sorry for you um but yeah they they were much more serious why like .

what are the physical demands of that? I know this people seem to be in really good shape.

Yeah a andi car was really physical, the cars in up power steering. So um they were much, much more physical and they also had more downforce based on the fact that they have wings. So that pushes the car down into the ground.

So stock cars were hot, so inside of the car would be one hundred and thirty hundred and forty maybe um and so you'd lose a lot, you'd sweat a lot. No car. So just staying hydrated was really the main feet.

In nascar, there was some slightly more physical races, but they're power steering. So IT was actually much easier to drive a stock car. But I didn't let anyone know that because they thought, why? How do you try those big cars like that? You know, strong.

wow. So you have to be indecent.

yeah. And there's also something I like a race shape where you just are so you're in the car so often that um the muscles that you need are all really conditioned well.

So your steering muscles .

are out yeah steering neck, back, shoulders yeah .

your shins.

I was in the gym the other day. They're like, you have really nice whatever. And I don't know what muscles ably .

unch accelerating. Your driving crazy.

What is that true? Yeah, one hundred percent. yeah. Not if a rasta driver is crazy when they drive on the road, but I am for short.

really. You get tickets.

Sure actually just got a tech today. Somebody is like there something in the male, you get a ticket and I said, I am sure I got to take IT somewhere along the way.

do they and they actually write them well.

this one is a photo, I believe but um but that yeah they will write them. I haven't physically pulled over by a cop in a while, but they will pretty much always .

get I think it's the robots are playing.

Is that yeah yeah pretty soon it's going to be by air, you know like I can need to mount to a bridge .

and take a photo .

of the maybe just going to .

be tracking at all time.

Does that sounds so exciting?

I you in this question, what do you drive?

I have a lamborghini ur s, so it's an S U, V. But I definitely drive like a car, and I had A, I had a ranger rover for a long time. And I don't know what I was thinking because the lambs is .

way more fun.

I mean, it'll go two hundred for sure, but I definitely to get up to one hundred every day. I drive IT for .

real to like the gym, the yoga studio. Yep.

the airport since that's where I go all the time these days. What do your .

igher or think?

Uh, i'm super respectful in neighbor od though. So there's um there's sport mode. There's actually couple levels of sport mode in the car.

And when you have IT in Normal like standard mode, IT gives you a whole bunch of alarms. It'll give you like lane departure of alarms, closing rate alarms, all these things, things. And I can't turn them off for permanently. The only way I can turn them off is by changing IT to a different more mode. So I drive IT in sport mode, which means that doesn't shift until .

like five thousand R P.

So so like so when I pull into the neighbor od, I put IT back in Normal mode so that I .

don't drive at five thousand .

R P M on but I yes, the car wants IT is asking for rpm.

So what did you notice about the world when you were able to let IT in?

Um that IT didn't matter that I had bad weekends, like I used to think every single weekend in the car because that was my life. Like every practice session, every qualifying, every race, IT all mattered so much. I thought everyone was watching how.

And IT only matter if IT was poor, how poorly I performed at times, and when I got done was like, oh, I just didn't really matter. I just really didn't matter that much. Hit the high points, have good days, but you didn't need to stress so much about every day and every session being so good. And then what did I learn about the world outside of my own internal relationship with with what I did is just that um that there's that that I didn't have any hobbies and I needed .

to find some really. So what does you take up?

Oh, skin and golf.

Wow, good.

Oh, no. Oh, no, but I am. I, I am getting Better. And in fact, I was just an aspin. And Bobby, R, F, K, just give me some lessons on the way down. So I picked up my speed tremendously due to his, his lessons.

How do you run to Bobby Kennedy and ask?

Well, let's see, arbery Marcus was doing something with them and his wife velna was someone I was just in egypt with. And so he was like, kay, I heard you coming to aspin. I don't know that. Turn up, bob y's doing an event if you want to go, here's the contact so you can set things up and there go. And i'm having lunch with him in sherrell.

And what I .

thought he was, I think he's a super, super nice guy. I think a lot heart and he he's very related. I mean, even when we were hanging out skin having lunch, he was just in the just in the Normal ski lodge just ah having a burger and french fries and people just come up time. He takes a picture with everybody um he's super nice and I just really think that he's like he's just has a lot of heart um so I I like a lot.

So when did you start thinking .

about politics about five minutes ago, what you included so new to me? And I I think I think we're at a really interesting point in time in this next year.

the next talk you to hear .

talk about politics region.

Yeah, kind of do. I don't know what I pose.

I mean, you probably would appreciate the politics more for sure, being at your world and you.

But are people they don't talk about?

IT? No, right. No no, you not really. And well, I where I came from nascar, I mean, I don't know there's anybody really very liberal or democrat and in the whole garage it's very republic and very conservative yes. And and IT didn't make me like that.

That's kind of the way I am anyway ah but I feel like i've lived my lifestyle and a much more I don't know casual way where I kind of think people should be able to get married if they want to get married if they don't want to have a baby. No, I believe that people should be able to choose their life path, yes. And so those are kind of more liberal thoughts.

But I also think the country should be kind of run a little bit more like a business and you know for all handing our money over like let's make these do good things with the country so I suppose have more conservative approaches to you know how things should be run. Um so but i've never really got interested because I didn't have time, space, energy. I didn't feel IT mattered to me um and but now this I met this point where it's kind of coming at me I am i'm sitting .

here with you yeah i'm so bad for yeah so how does IT coming at you?

What you mean? I don't know. Just opportunities are presenting themselves and my interest has really peaked maybe the last like six months or so. Um and so maybe it's maybe it's my own sort of magnetic ism to IT because i'm generating some of my own personal interest.

I didn't have to go to m fs, where we met for the first and finally, I didn't have to go to that, but I was like, all, let's go check IT out and a growing up, my dads pretty, pretty into all this stuff. And I would actually like, dad, some point time you got to turn off fox news, know you? Just some point time you get to turn IT off.

Never he actually did. He did because he's just kept getting so jaded and angry all the time and um so he's like, I promise this is just the local unbiased news. This is know just local indian apple is news. So so there's like a background of of my family being interested and I was probably the last one .

of the party oh, really there are aware yeah .

yeah for sure yeah yeah more more conservative than me.

Interesting yeah but you felt something inside you change yeah.

And I think it's a really good time to be cared to care. I've never .

even voted for you.

I've i'm not registered. I've never voted. And my argument against IT was that i'm not going to complain about IT.

If I complain, I have to do my part. But if I don't come and I never did, I was like, no, I have my choices and preferences. Hey, you know what's happening, what's happening and I you .

know it's just that that change. I think, by the way, i'm not criticize.

What do I mean? What's the best reason like what about .

IT is really the that we grew up in is disappearing really fast. And if you liked IT, you know, it's worth preserving. And so people who didn't want to be involved, not inherently interested in that, are like when the second I I liked that country and what is this? This is like, crazy. This is that a control? You have to say something right?

I think that's a pretty much where I got to was like it's one thing for people to be able to live, how they want to live and Operate. It's another thing when the what they're doing now finally affecting you. Yes, yes. So the things that for me, it's like you can't say what you want to say anymore, you get in trouble for having an opinion. I got in trouble for going to am fest and saying that I love this country. People were like I hate you, your awful follow and i'm like, how do we get to this point where you can't say I love this country yes um where I feel like you know you see chem trails all over the sky and like they're poisoning our air, they poisoning our food. And I like this is really affecting me now.

So what are so well, it's a little .

more conspiracy like but I don't know but .

most of internet to be .

true exactly um where they display different metals into the air IT controls g engineering controls the weather. Every time I see, I feel like what sure to be a cloudy day tomorrow. You know where you see the big grid, mark, yes, guy, where it's just all lines that don't disp ate because, you know, it's not vapor.

I don't think people look at this guy anyway because they have iphones. So many, they don't notice 我的 me。

No, I think .

stargazing is is extent. Um but how did you learn about that?

I IT conspicious for sure. Just like getting interested. Yeah yeah. Like noticing the things .

around you and wondering what they are.

Yeah yeah. I was very spiritual. And then I dated someone that was a little bit more conspiracy bed. Yes, would just get on the hot seat for college. My kim out.

Yes, I noticed that.

So I got more the consequent.

Rogers, yeah.

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like there was some anger yes you may seem like and IT was only a tweet or yeah the only words obviously not out of his mouth but there are definitely seem like there was some anger .

there so so but I not just seem to know, kind of know he was talking about.

I think I always been interested in conspiracy. Don't know the truth either. Does anyone know the truth? I mean, that's what we're trying to figure out. And when we were and fast, that was your whole foundation is like, tell the truth yes.

And and that is really all I care about in my own personal life before I was ever in politics or ever interested in to politics, um was just like, I just wanted know the truth. I want know the truth about myself. I want to know the truth about someone else, about what's really going on. That is one of the foundation tional most important things .

to me is knowing the truth.

spiritual. Yeah yeah much more spiritual. What does that mean um just that um I don't just think there's like guys sitting on throned in the sky kind of thing, and I don't look at all the words and the bible or anything and think it's sort of verbatim the way it's written.

I I you know I mean I even remember like a long, long time ago being curious wide land, you'd skip meat on fridays during land. I was like, but why? And so then I what I feel like I found out I could be wrong.

But um but is that IT was a luxury back in those days so you stained from a luxury as a sacrifice and like what that makes sense, i'll pick something that's a luxury. But like knowing the truth about why we're doing that is what what these are the things that the questions that I asked. So guess i'm a skeptical person.

You should be yeah but you think there is .

truth oh yeah I mean I get a little bit into the more esoteric side of truth and I wonder about um the nature of objective truth. I think there could be like obviously a um a collective agree upon truth based on our reality that we live in. But do we really even know what our reality is and are we just are we our own little many universes experiencing things through our own lens? If that's the case, then I wonder how true objective truth really are because we all have our own based .

on our is IT seem like recently there have been cracks .

in that reality that yeah .

doesn't IT make you wonder doing IT .

if it's not a bit of a movie set, doesn't IT. I mean, I I really IT seems like so far fetch to imagine that there is some mass IT like some singular puppet orchestrating everything on the planet and with the in an a ferial way. Because IT seems like we'd figure IT out.

Like how do we not figure IT out? How could that be hidden? How could that stay in? Um but as time goes on and we keep learning more things, um is just a lot of a lot of a lot of scary things that go on in the world and that we don't know about. Does this does that make you curious to a who's really the .

basis of my whole actually yeah.

but you've fen onto IT for way longer.

But I don't understand any of IT. Of course I don't understand any of IT. I just all my only gift is the ability to notice obvious things and perceive lying. I'm good at that. I'm not good at not connecting like I don't know what that means, but I know when you're .

lying that is realized you probably I C no.

no, no, no. I think, look, I think your are the guide in life .

yeah but what is that?

What I think it's divide an inspired .

this yeah a hundred same same.

And I think that your instincts are thing, you know, get to the vote for them. They act only on your behalf and then tells the truth. And the question is, can you interpreted correctly? I get strong feelings from people or from situations.

I don't know what those feelings amount to, but I know there's something there, but the most obvious one is deception. I don't know what you're lying about. I don't know why you're doing IT, but I know it's happening for sure.

And I think we all have that I know unique gift. I just have done enough to sort of follow my instincts. I'm like I don't yeah I don't know. Like demented genre six like i'm not exactly sure what happen is not a that's a fact.

You mean exactly. I've always found that when things don't make sense, we're just missing some of the truth. When you're like but this and that, you're just missing some of the truth and the purpose, then you gotta figured out.

So i'd be interested only do you take the u fo story seriously and what do you make .

of IT or there's way too many of them for IT to not be true, right? Yes, I just wait too many stories. Um and I just think that it's insanely a arrogant of us to think that we're the only game in town.

We're aliens to to somebody else. Yes, we're looking for him, but we're also looking for us. And we have this very narrow window of of chemicals in our sky in the way and we what we breathe and how we live.

Like what if it's something different somewhere else and they adapted and evolved in a different way. And we don't they are not like us. We're looking for us. And I know we're made up of the most common ingredients in the universe, but very little slight changes and IT changes our entire reality here like we want. We wouldn't be here.

So it's not shocking to you at all that that there's something else.

No, no, exactly. I think I think what's confusing now when IT comes to the UFO stuff is how um what whether or not we're seeing UFO or we're seeing a reverse engineering of our own doing trying to figure things out.

What does that mean or .

reverse engineer oh from crash landings and different technology that they've discovered over the years like area of fifty one. Why is that? It's humanest giant's area. Um you can't get any work close. Why do they have that IT doesn't make sense .

for your safety for .

from the aliens. No, I mean, I was so ready to storm area of fifty one back in the day relief ago. I mean, I wouldn't have done IT, but I live in arizona.

So like but just remember that power numbers whenever they lied you or hide the truth from you for your .

safety so you it's just .

OK thank you. Does IT feel like um the level of secrecy y and deception is rising.

I don't know about that. I I would say maybe the level of secrecy and deception is just being exposed. Yes.

that feels more trees.

And I think that I think that the vel is thin between you know the the the who is controlling that and and and and how they're staying, how they are keeping IT under raps.

So does that worry you that you are getting .

Better at being psychic?

And no, I think that's right. I mean, no, I think that, I mean, do you find in your own life and I think you probably, you told my music and says on air, but you spent last summer in inDiana in europe, which seems like such a great combination because you kind of see all sides or a number of sides of the human experience. You're not only and ask.

that's right that's right now you can't stand asking that .

long too expensive no it's expensive and it's totally distorting .

of yeah of your world yeah when you walk by gucci and valentina on your way to the lift now you're like.

yeah it's not good to spend all your time and aspect but do you but you do spend time around you know well educated, secular, rich people yeah do you find more people sort of mentioning god or the possibility of god or spiritual things then you use to.

I think i've experienced people being more open to spirituality, and I think that it's all the same. I actually think it's kind of more semantics. I think it's just the way that you feel comfortable speaking about IT.

But I don't think that when you say god or when I say source or I say got pro, got night, um I don't think they were all talking about so much the same thing because we don't even know what that exact thing is. We're just using what we've been grown up using as as language um what feels comfortable to us, what's familiar um but I I generally think that that that is all the same. So I do hear about IT more. So I guess to phrase another way.

the country that I group in and probably some of the one you grew up in, was a material country where the assumption was, everything real can be proceed by the five senses and measured talent. And that's reality in everything outside of that is a conspiracy theory. In assigned mental illness, there is nothing that a scientists can reduce to an adamant lab. And I just feel like that view is going away.

IT is well with the with the quantum reality, with quantum physics and um you know spooky things happening at a distance as is described as you know, quantum entanglement .

is something .

that I can't quite read my two when an adam has when electrons have met they when they part in the universe, they have equal and opposite reaction to matter half hour part they are so they're entangled um and they have instantaneous reactions no matter how far part they are um so IT really helped starts to make you wonder like how this reality falls on top of itself to tankle. It's the same thing when you're like thinking about somebody and then they call you or you maybe I maybe you think you want to draw something into your life and you think about IT, you kind like you forget. And all the sudden boom there IT.

Is was there the connections between people or things that cannot be measured using the conventional measure?

correct. correct.

And that is such a consistent feature of the human experience. Everyone knows what you're talking about. So the idea that you could have a society to deny that yeah is like my definite full society isn't IT yeah yeah.

And I think you are right about people getting more sensitive to just the lives and the things going on. I think that we are living in a world where we don't know what you trust anymore. We used to think we will.

You could watch a documentary and you were like, oh my god, that's true. I got to look at who paid for IT. Yes, you know you the news as shewell not like, what's true? What's not you gotten trouble for telling the truth.

You know it's you don't know where what you can trust. And I think we're like entering this age where we have to learn how to trust our intuition and we have to we have to have critical thinking for ourselves. We can't just be told we're not. We need to stop with this reading, repeat lifestyle, and we have to have .

critical thinking. So why? But at the same time, and of course, I vimto tly agree with you, but the people in charge, the U.

S. Government even, is more demanded that people to read the script. Why do you think that .

is because in their own power. Yeah I mean, it's just it's much easier if you controlled the narrative for everything. Um it's like schoolbooks I get question school and the efficacy of what's in the school books like the the winners write the write the stories and also the propaganda of you know the whole Operation of IT. I I don't know, I I question school even .

I want to do that yeah .

I know but i'm not smart sometimes .

say when did you leave .

school sixteen? I was sixteen and and I moved to england when I was sixteen.

never graduate american high school.

I got my G D.

Does that feel looking back like an advantage or disadvantage?

Huge advantage. Like so like a bad debt, like you don't for either me or my parents. My parents were would have been able to afford IT. They put my sister through seven years of school um so I was I would have had that luxury in my life but um but I am not sure yeah i'm not sure unless you going to be a doctor, a lawyer, the hardest question answers what you want to do with your life is actually the hardest question. And once you know you can get on with IT and having your own having experience and getting your hands dirty in IT, like there's nothing Better than that. There's nothing Better than the real experience than instead of going to school in flipped pages, in parting on the weeks, weekends, weekdays.

here we days yeah, getting completely lost, getting loss. So you never went through that.

I never went through that. yeah. I mean, I describe going to england when I was sixteen as like my college, but an actual party didn't had fun but but I didn't go to school like classically wow.

And you see that is a huge vantage I agree with.

I definitely don't see IT as A I definitely don't. And you know well, I I mean, I will say there's some things, and maybe this is where politics scares me a little. There are some general things about life and history that I am not very good about, like not knowing when wars happened in all these, like details that I just didn't learn. Nd was at that interested in but I wasn't in school to absorb all of IT.

And um so there's some some things like that that I don't know um off the top of my head but um but I got other life experiences and I applied myself in all the other areas that I was really interested in and I think that's the Spark of life, right to do things that you really love and to to follow things and learn with what you want to learn about. And you know I feel like one of the things that I have um thankfully learned in my life after racing was that uh the things that are meant for you will give you energy no matter how much how many hours IT takes. So as an example, I would go to the race track and I have to do an autograph session for an hour at a anywhere you could imagine.

And IT would be the most draining thing for me. Like, just so exactly. Like, hi, how are you? great. thanks. I have a nice day. Oh, oh, how are you? Can you know, like, and you just for an awards, just hello abi halo ga ye and its small talk and its lesson small talk.

And then I remember one day in particular, I think I might be on two or three podcast and they're each like an hour hour a half long and in a day and i've got done and you'd think i'd be so exhausted because it's far harder to be the interviewer than the interviewer even though i'm doing the talking because you're thinking. And so I spent all day like critically thinking and paying attention. Where do I want to take this interview? And but I got done with my day, and I felt like I was high.

I was so energize that I was like I needed to do something with the energy and walked on the beach. I oh my god, this is the most amazing day. But I spent six or seven hours like in the chair being really focused. But but of what I learned was that when you're doing things that are really meant for you and that feed your soul, IT gives you energy.

that is the truest thing. So how did you in the key, as you said, is to figure out as Young as you possibly can, what the path is that you're designed for yeah not that you're forcing yourself into but that you actually made to do. How did you figure that out so Young?

Well, I mean, I got to try a lot of things um but you know I will say that well you know racing what I did and I loved IT IT wasn't always my passion like I don't go back to IT now. I mean I do some race broadcasting and things like that and you watch some races, but I don't go to the weekend. I don't go to the race track on the weekends. I don't go to try and find a car to jump to drive um I mean have a melin beginning .

a just drive that yeah your two hundred R S V exactly.

But I but I have other interest in other passions. So for me, I feel like now i'm finally getting to tap into those things where like i'm really, really passionate about one of the truth, which is where I feel like I really relate you on.

So how alienating is that to people around you .

that I well, it's .

subsection to people when you say things like a lot of what we've been is not true and history is effectively propaganda. It's a version of the story, but is not the whole story. Things like that, which are, I think, yourself if only true, but that that is not well received sometimes well.

I think you have to know your audience a little bit right know your audience here and there, know your moments yeah to hit IT um but I have a lot of like minded people around me but i'm totally fine if they're not. I love learning and if I change my mind, that means I learned something. So I also like spending time with people and listening to people talk about something that's a totally different perspective um but I say in general, most of the people around me are are of of a like mind. They're also skeptical.

Have you been attacked? You said you attacked online.

yeah. Well, I was super surprised by how went when I went to the turning point event and when I talked about loving my country and post in these pictures and and I went with my sister and I was just a fun fun few days and um and I was just I was just really surprised that people could be so angry about and I didn't even make a stance the I think everybody thinks is basically a trump rally.

What is IT about trump? T that? I know, I understand what this is about trump.

T that you don't like? Yeah, I get IT. I know trump. And I like trump, his larios and interesting, but I certainly understand why people don't like him, for sure, very obvious. But what I don't understand is the hysteria, a brain shutting down and doing opposite, just for the sake of giving the finger to do. What is that?

People are very triggered.

Oh, why? What is that?

Well, foundational, I think, foundation. There are a foundational things to our alive, politics, religion. These are foundational to our reality and and what we've built our life on. And when you pull some one of those out from the foundation, this is my opinion.

But I think that what happens is there is an implied subconscious understanding that when you pull out one of those building blocks, that that is going to be a snowball effect for the rest of your life. If you pull out one of those foundational elements, what else isn't true to what else about your life isn't gonna work anymore? And that is, that is a, that is a global life change to pull something foundation out.

I didn't expect to be the smartest. No, I didn't. I didn't. Sorry, I didn't.

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That's a very wise point and I saw this with the vacs you know the people I knew who really thought about IT had strong feelings about. They've especially the ones you didn't want to take IT um well up in places they never expected to be their views on. A lot of the other things changed. I saw a lot of people whose politics completely changed .

just on that one .

issue very much.

Did you notice there? Yeah I mean, IT IT was just a very divisive thing. Yeah IT just got so insanely divisive. And I think also kind of made things more confusing in a way that you would think these people do these things and these people do those things. I was like, IT went from being like the group that was my body. My choice were the ones that we're like, you gotta do IT and then so I got like IT really actually made things, made the um made the corruption or the propaganda or the manipulation that was going on to become more obvious because things started to get very messy.

Mean.

yeah you this doesn't make sense.

All of the sun, I was having conversations with people who you know were lifelong liberals, what of black people who never voted republican in their lives because obama supporters on something all of sudden, I just realized why we have a lot in common, actually. yeah. And then on the other side, people i'd been really close to and loved and still love, but they were absolutely the other side of, yeah, yeah, that was interesting. IT was a realignment that was not along party lines at all.

right? exactly. Yeah.

at all exactly.

And I think IT really, really showed how persuasive media propaganda and isolation can be that I mean, one of the things that can drive, like I think they've done back in the fifties and sixties, were testing out things like a sensory deprivation. When you are put in a space with no sound, no, no visuals, know nothing, and and that can drive, that will drive people insane. So now you do IT on some level, and you put people in a house, they can see anyone they can do, and you, you couldn't drive them insane.

What did you spend covered?

I had a very interesting start to cove IT. Um I was in peru. Yeah I think a lot .

of people started coating.

I was A I was doing. I was in .

peru for real. Yeah, what was that .

like which part doing .

I was could improve where improve sacred valley.

And like, yeah in a large was .

IT worth doing course.

because I love the truth. yeah. So IT showed me a lot about the truth, about things that I needed .

to know how last?

Well, the experience last, I don't know.

eight hours did you go trust?

Um I went with I went with the iron and another couple and then there were strong wow. And so if we got woke up in the middle the night to the pilot thing, get to go home because they're closing the border by ten.

I M will you still on? I waster when they do no way so you're getting into a light plane with their and Rogers and I wasa and being evacuated from .

the secret value the .

yeah that if you rank your life by weirdness that would happy that .

be near the top right losing credible .

or gaining IT?

I don't know, it's just the truth, you know and so then I I was in male and wait.

what was the in um .

what we did was called integration on the plane. What does that mean um where you talk about your experience on the plane?

Yeah not a huge plane, I imagine.

I mean, big enough later, ten people, whatever enough in. And then yeah flew back, flew back to malabo spend at the first couple months in malabo and then inDiana.

So what did you learn from my awsk?

我。 The i'm a very a relationship kind of person, like I love relationship. And so I have this idea that someone's going to sort of complete me and I realized that I was going to have to .

do IT with myself.

Yes, like IT. Was that the only .

way that no human being can feel that?

Yeah, that's profound.

true. Yeah, yeah.

But IT was felt. So the differences is in those experiences you feel that you don't just know that you feel IT. So you go from an awareness to an ebola ment, right, where embody is like you just embodies when something happens and you say um and IT just is yes, IT just is an island. You're like that just it's just the truth is the way IT is and as opposed to well, I think there I think they're doing this. They're lying to us that like when you feel the lie you've experienced IT, you just this is the problem but yeah so it's so you get a really felt experience yes.

I said that.

which is I think what makes us you .

were powerful I S change .

exactly yeah and I think there's a lot of judgment and curiosity around you around this stuff but um you know again, I think this is one of those areas where the world is branching out a little bit and and thinking outside of the box of um you know where we've been and the way we do things and um and I think it's a really powerful tool.

Did IT change your relationships .

mean once you realized .

that you that no other human being can complete you .

as you yeah I mean .

this kind of implications how you late .

to other people, right? Um yeah yeah. I mean, I think that one of the big things that happened that is sort of like a spin off of IT is just, I just take less things personally, and I get a little less triggered. And I understand that everybody is the way they are because of how they are brought up their experiences.

And you know there are just they're seeing life through their own lens and to not feel like if somebody gets angry or does something to me that it's about me, you get a little out of that selfish position of like it's about me all the time. It's not always about me. Everybody has things that they are going through in ways that they have been brought up and orientations and their own triggers. And sometimes it's just nothing to do with me.

There's a line that I exactly recall, but it's the effect if you knew what was happening really happening with other people, you would judge them less exactly.

Yeah so I feel like I gave me a little bit more like patience and like empathy um for situations and and also a one of the most important things is so accountable for my own reality too. Like perception I believe is reality. So the way that again, this the sort of lands we look through, like you can either look at going bungee jumping as being the scarious thing on the planet or so exciting. So however you your perception, I think so if i'm looking at a situation and that does feel right, doesn't look right, it's like I just literally asked myself what is my part like what is my part in this perception that I have is IT because i'm scared is because I um I is IT because i'm insecure, is IT because what is the thing that's driving my behavior? So IT gave me a lot of accountability .

to was .

raining downside. Yeah, getting sick .

during IT you get pretty.

I mean.

you can one night I did, one night I did. So, wow, you quite 这里。 What are you going to do with the rest of .

your life to have a clear picture of IT? No, I don't. I I have ideas and dreams, and I have companies, and I have things that I do, and I have visions for all of them.

But um but my life changes in ways that I could never expect every couple of years. So i'm sure that will continue to be the case. And I think that and i'm curious so you think about this, but I think part of that is because I choose to want to know the truth.

yes. And when you do that, IT implies us sometimes things change. And you know, whether it's relationships or job or where you live, friends, sometimes things change. And to be OK with that and that I am still chose, choose truth and I choose myself over that every time I haven't heard .

you mention money or a lude tube to a single time or commercial enterprises or whatever. So clearly your main goal yeah, is not to a mass as much as you can.

No, in fact, i'd like to spend IT like.

I would like to spend IT.

Yeah, I don't want to die with the whole bunch of money. And why wouldn't I spend IT? I'd like to spend IT.

What would you spend IT on a right now? I spend IT on travel, having good people around me like i'd like to pay the people around me. I like them to be happy. Um I spended on building businesses because there because I enjoy and have passion for what IT is that i'm selling. Um and um so I have wines, have a couple of wines that I make um have a little candle company um so those are kind of what I put my money into .

um I went to egypt .

and learned a lot about aroma therapy and and then decided to make some candles out of IT. You yeah yeah, that's fun. The wine is really great.

It's such a passionate wine. I love wine. Um and then I do speaking engagements and race broadcast hosting stuff, and I take a lot of vacation.

So you know i've always felt like, and this is from a Young age, that if I do a good job at something, the money will just show up. Like if people believe in IT, they like IT, that the money will just be there. And money, he has never been a motivating factor for me.

IT is merely a barometer. That's how I see IT. So I want to make money because IT means that people like what i'm doing, right, and they like me, but not because I want the money because it's an indication, an indication of the value of one i'm offering or the um or what IT or what IT inspires people.

So like with racing, i'm sure I offered value for my sponsors. But also the attention from fans that was then used to sell things by sponsors was because I was inspiring them so and they were paying attention what I was doing and wanted to see more. Um so I kind of see money as being a by product of doing a good job.

So last question, sure you ve thought about this, but if you so you ve said that your main goal in life going forward is to tell the truth, to find the truth and then to say .

that I yeah you have no.

and getting a truthful vive.

I'm like dying, dying.

I do you say I don't think any of IT don't have me too hard here.

No, no.

I don't think any of IT objectively is offensive at all. The truth is never offensive, but IT does offend because it's true, right? right? right?

Because that makes people uncomfortable, because either because they would never do IT. Like there's a quick little hack that I learned long time ago. Like we judge is what we deny.

So if you judge something and someone is proudly because you deny yourself that, like for me, I was used the example of laziness like that. I was judge lazy people because I would deny myself arrest every day. And so, you know, IT trigger people and and usually they denied themselves the things that they're judged.

But I mean, the truth is just inherently device IT if I guess that's what i'm saying yeah and you think IT uni tes but IT doesn't yeah IT breaks in how? And so, uh, what is sad? But it's the nature of the world, of the spiritual world.

Are you ready for that? Like there will be consequences and I want to try about politics. I just mean the truth about anything um will cause people to hate you. Yeah.

yeah, yeah. I'm totally, totally ready.

You bothered by that.

I I think i've spent the guy had a good grooming session by being a girl race car driver for so long and people being triggered by that and you know covenant ism or just people that weren't open minded to IT and didn't didn't like that idea. And so I feel like i've been I feel like i've been practicing to be strong like that my whole life. And I you're so right when you tell the truth, you just really don't get bothered. IT just is what IT is yeah business right?

Like it's just well, IT makes you strong inside.

Yeah exactly. IT makes you strong inside. And what you said at and fast was just so powerful and a message that we all need to hear. And we're not always, always going to agree on things.

But but when you live in your own truth, you can be less triggered, you can be more common, peaceful, you can be happy, and you can be stronger and and more solid inside of yourself, which is, I think, just, well, we want to figure out how to be happier, right? Yes, when we're choosing a president so that we can live in a world that makes us happier, right? When we're choosing a partner, we're choosing someone that would hopefully make us happier. So the happiness you can do, thing you can do is to just to be honest.

right all the time. You, thank you. tuck. That was not what I expected. I appreciate that. Thanks for list and tuck her crosses and show. If you enjoy IT, you can go to tuck across in that com to see everything that we have made the complete library talker carlson dot com.