Erik Prince: CIA Corruption, Killer Drones, and Government Surveillance
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Amo, yeah, I got to even shoot seven, sixty, thirty, really. It's just not that interested, but I have you like it's it's an imagination about how many steel case rounds I have. Look what do I have those because .

i'm crazy just in case.

So the Price you .

haven't need the need .

not I but not i'm sure you who's like equipped entire were pretty rational about IT. I'm not like i'm not exactly sure I need I don't give a shit gold amo whatever I just want to heard IT and because I feel feel all the stuff and take .

the dudes with guns yeah are not a match for dudes with drones.

So if if you're the kind of person, i'm not naming names or identifying myself by name, but if you're the kind of person who sees a deal on deal case seven, sixty by thirty nine, like I need another ten thousand rounds because in your gut you feel like something volatility is coming. How point is that pointless?

I've just been a reading a book called firepower, which is a history of, basically history of gunpowder. And you track the change of warfare, going from spears and long bows to the White locks, matchlock musk, us. Latrobe artillery with bursting rounds.

And I read that to trust. I understand we're now through a massive step change cause, you know, despite all the technological of the U. S. Military, the best web on the enemy head was an ie.

d. Yes, I noticed.

And now the and the ideas would be position along the road and collect off remotely. Now the enemy can fly the I. D. At you at one hundred and twenty miles an hour, load to the ground, even in a highly jam environment. So the threat, highly jam.

there's no way to stop the highly.

highly jam, right? Even because the russians are really good at jamming. Yes, in the ukrainians, they've developed, you've innovated, taking a cheap racing drone, like with the gargles that somebody wears F P V drone, and you put A A beer can size charge that you can 3d print the casing for IT in the field with a little copper desk in the front of IT and drive that into the back of a tank。 And for fifteen hundred dollars you destroy a two million thousand.

Thank so that is like having a snipper rifle versus a guy with a long bow to dept. Change in warfare, and we've were there right now. And the longer this combat goes in ukraine, the russians are getting a lot Better.

Ukrainians have to, but they're just trying to, you know, the the battle is the ultimate holder. N of learning, yes and bad ideas are quickly destroyed and discarded. And and so the proliferation of that knowledge is staggering.

So what are we learning from watching?

I don't think the U. S. Military is learning much good.

No, learning.

Well, I know the problem is the U. S. Weapon systems are not even that high demand because they're not that effective in that highly jammed environment for twenty years of global until you are fighting against a very comparatively unsophisticated enemy.

Now in a being a state on state type war, the U. S. Systems are not holding up, you know, the jewel in missile, which which radiant cells to the taxpayers for two hundred thousand dollars a shot with a three hundred thousand dollar command launch unit.

The ukrainean can only use that for the first shot in a, in a new sh, because their irr detector, if they shoot the first tank, the tank is very hot, it's burning. If they try to shoot a second and third missiles, the other missiles go for the very hot spot on battle field, they can even design. So then the ukrainean shift from a two hundred thousand dollar middle of from the americans to one that they build themselves for twenty nine thousand dollars and IT works just as well.

And it's delivered on a drone.

delivered on a drone, or for minted technosis es. So the the the super high dollar american stuff is not doing so well in that battle space.

So I would assume, I mean, the world is watching this potential future adversity are seeing on display american military capability.

And we should be concerned as taxpayers and as citizens, that all this money we've spent, we have not gotten very good value for in the same way.

But doesn't IT, doesn't IT display our our vulnerability to if our weapons systems aren't working in ukraine, why would they work in other parts of the right? Aren't we are showing your hand at.

look, some of the stuff works well, but at what cost, right? Because you know, the hoods are using a twenty and fifty thousand dollar drone to attack commercial shipping or U. S.

Shipping in the red sea gulf of eden, uh, and the U. S, S, A shoot that down with not one, but two missile that costs two million dollars a peace. So you're costing us four million dollars to shoot down to fifty thousand dollar drone. Bad math, even in washington, D. C.

Why wouldn't because this is on display in the world, is sort of watching. Why would military planners in the united states be taking notes in adJusting accordingly?

Because the money flow keeps ongoing the same way with no accountability and no um no self introduction cc no learning IT. Look who got fired, who got punished for a complete debacle. O in afghanistan where over twenty years we replaced the taliban with the taliban.

Yes.

and nobody has been fired. The nearly guy that got fired was two sheller a good man. The Young rain was stop and said enough, it's right because .

because of of jail.

I know because he said, look, if a couple of my Younger rs. Lost a rifle on the rifle range, they will be punished. We lost we left eighty five billion dollars with the military equipment and turned over the country to a terr org ization.

And everybody, he's been promoted and everybody is just it's business as usual. That's a problem. This kind of incompetence is not going to end well.

So I mean, I I have too many questions and I do want to circle back to, in your initial point, that warfare is completely difference of step changes, he said. But how on this thread, how does the U. S. congress. How do people who claim to support our troops back the military strong defense that the list training wing of the of the congress like? How do they keep sending money to an organization that's increasingly in capable of defending the country?

I spoke to a bunch of members yesterday morning, a in congress, and they were at the point of despair because they're trying to restrict the money and to bring some accountability. And they said, the the money is the, the, the the amount of money that is sprinkled around the capital by the defense contractors, by the effectively the bigger ge worth of lobby ists, thousands of lobby sts spreading tens of millions of dollars around politicians and they just keep the money train going. It's it's really disgusting in the big thing.

And the article I wrote recently, I said, um you know in a rome, like when the romans lost a whole at the battle of cane, yes, when the senate made a couple weeks later, he was forty percent understand why because the roman elites actually serve the military and bore the consequences of failure. Our release don't serve in the military. They have very little skin in the game or no skin, and so for them it's about it's it's about .

money in grid or their children's seven foreigners. Aries, um so just back back to the technology itself, which you've been watching all your life because you've been rented your life. Um I think you at the world's largest private air force at .

one points at true um we had seventy three aircraft that um we owned and Operated and flew in the garden spots for for U S.

Was fun.

So what I I I was just had a black water reunion last weekend and we had IT at the elmo um and he was just IT was really cool standing there on hold ground um because he realized that across the street from the alem o is the minger bar and that's actually where teddy roseveldt started the rough riders so there's all kinds of rough rider memorabilia in this bar raising a glass to a great american um and if I D convinced trump to change policy in afghanistan to prevent the debate cle which ended up happening, I was going to call that unit the second U S.

Volunteer vocab ry. The first volunteer s volunteer cavalry was a rough riders. Someone help exactly.

This was going to be a two USB IT would have worked. Afghanistan would be stable. We would have saved amErica the embarrassment.

yes. And really that i'd say A A A pivotal moment for a massive collapse in american credibility. Deterrence and IT would have cost five percent of what the U. S. Was already spending.

So why couldn't remember that very well? And in in my memory, you are not making the case for forever occupation. You are making the case for sensible drop down that didn't destroy that all all .

the commercial forces could have left right. Ninety percent of the contractors could have left. There would have been a small state behind special Operations force.

Six thousand contractors that's IT um in in would have kept accountability for the tens of billions of dollars of U S. Equipment that was ready there and would have kept the government up right and others. Now every alka, every every crazy terrors org ization has set up shopped in afghanistan again, where we've not heard the last of afghanistan.

why? And I remember again, I remember that if I think we talked, I know we talked about IT at the time, and IT seem IT seem sensible, seem kind of non logical way possible, preserving our interest to make something we can. Why didn't the administration, the trump administration.

take you up on that? I would say the same neocon perpetual or presence in washington that wants to do IT the same way um that we've been doing for decades and I would argue losing doing that. yes. And it's about it's about money in power and perpetuation not about actually having a uh uh putting a bow on a bad situation .

but how do those people, as they enable ably do seize the moral high ground in the in the opening moments of the ideological battle and position themselves as like the champions of freedom of human rights when in fact, monsters like how how do you get away with that every single time?

I think it's a direct result of the all volunteer force, which seems a good idea. I'm still supportive of IT, but that means it's a very the people that actually serve that bear the cost of these overseas efforts. Maybe one half of one percent of the population serving three or four percent know that one percent and the ninety five percent of amErica has no clue and no skin the game. And so they're easily bulshed by the the postering jack asses of .

washington yeah that's what has a job. Um so I just want to get back to to the technology because i'm just i'm interested on behalf of all people who sends turmoil ahead and R C stockpiling amo, right? I think there are people like that. Um is that fruitless given .

the technologies I would argue for taiwan, for example, facing a possible invasion or issue from coming from main in china, the best thing they could do is build a home guard because a well armed, well motivated people I am, as we showed in afghanistan, as the taliban showed the U. S. Military o well motivated people, even using weapons that are seven years old, can still be a superpower with all the technologically. Yes, it's not the steel in the ships that make a great navy. It's the steel in the men, the steel the cruel.

But are you ever going to see another war between states that one or lost on the basis of artillery? Y tanks, I mean, is said, and we was the cable recharges of today, the artillery .

is still the king of battle as ukraine is, are learned the hardway and the russians have gone from, you know if you shot at the russians a year and a half ago, I would take him a about an hour a half to shoot back accurately yeah to geo locate um to coordinate with fires, you know a fire control centers to shoot back now the downtown, about two or three minutes. So they've learned and they're coordinating and they've gotten a lot Better. And IT is wrong first, assume that our come for is all that good right now.

And what role did Jones play going for the to send you .

can predict and imagine IT very significant. People say the tank is dead, is gone forever, uh IT will go just like or the attack helicopter of two thousand years ago. Um there will still be a role for tanks, but people are going to figure out how to knock down the swarms of incoming drones with hardware and soft kill eeta.

Um IT is always know warfare going to event flow, but the ability to program very sophisticated devices that fly very fast that are very hard to kill, you know, the first tratement c offset, after world war two with nuclear weapons, yes, we had nukes and the russians did. And then IT was about tunit. Then the second offset was precision weaponry.

Now everybody has precision. So I would argue that the third offset, that the U. S. Should try to pursue a dominance when were far from IT is in an AI drone innovation application. And I would say the most innovation that happened has been in ukraine and russia right now. And we are way behind because again, washington procured people the the appropriate people in congress keep spending money in the same way on the same stupid card. Tel of defense contractors a with the same fAiling result when at the bleeding edge of battle, actual innovation is happening by dudes in their garage in ukraine that are fighting for their lives and they're y've innovated. But and and we ignore that to our to our detriment.

So these are countries with fewer marketing majors and more engineers coming up.

Yeah, they have marketing made bad at .

creating drones.

They've done well at stem.

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You could load a face. And between network's surveilLance and that the facial recognition on that drone find one person and fly into that person head that fast.

serious? Ly.

yeah. So identity management privacy will become even more, uh, essential. You think about how many cameras, how much data is being constantly collected everywhere from street cameras, from door neck, from doorbell cameras, from facial recognition at the airport um if privacy is really under attack oh.

I have noticed and and now tsa is decided to take your photograph every time you walk through. I went through yesterday and they had to stay into the screen and more accessory face. I said to the guy, is this Mandatory? And he said, no, it's not.

And I said, fucked that I might do and that I agree with you. okay. I mean, but like what is that? Why are .

they doing that data aggregation? Because they can.

So it's not a good sign when your own government is gathering data on you. Is that why would they possibly need that?

We think about what what what what shipped our founding father off, right, paying some taxes on t and yeah I on taxes and mean, I I guess our idea of of what we will resist over in terms of liberty and government truth has been very steadily ero. And now it's, I would say, increasingly is deep curve of .

dissent yeah and IT does seem like the purpose of politicizing the military and making IT, left wing, antique, pro trans, all the stuff which I think the right just sort of says, well, that can be less effective to military is bad. They make fun of IT, but that seems way darker to me. I mean, that does seem like it's being weapon ised against dissent in the next states.

I I think if we know the military was one of the most trusted institution for sure. And and I saw already, even in the eighties, and look, I went to the naval academy in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven, and I left after year and a half because I found the political correctness ness in the nonsense already then on the double standards that were pursued by the, by academy leadership, while saying there are no double standards, I just found ridiculous.

What was the double standards?

I remember going to the the old course the first time, and they said, there is, this is one height of of a wall to get over for one gender and one height for the other one and they said, all the standards are all the same but wait.

IT liars so yeah.

so just if you're not if you're going to call IT the same, then be the same, but but be consistent. And so the and the amount of recruiting for specific exports teams of people that were completely unqualified to be there or to be able officers were staggering. I love the navy. I just didn't like the a school run by the federal government.

so I didn't fully realize that. So you made IT through the first year where people drop out. Yeah.

no. I, I, I left hallway through my soft more year, finished my finals where .

you did the hard stuff and you still drop out.

Yeah, it's not that hard. You have to have A A high tolerance, high tolerance for bullshit. That's all.

Yeah, that's dropped in you.

I notice. Yeah, yeah. But I I rule the hill steel. So, you know, went quite the opposite to one run by the federal government, to one that accepted no federal funding at all.

interesting. So even in one nine hundred eighty seven, why didn't anyone say anything about IT? Because women don't fight different wars persume. IT would be the same more so that's like, very obviously insane.

Look, I hate no issue with women being at the academies, but at least make equal enforcement, that's all. If it's going to be you going to call the same, then be the same. That's fine.

And but I what I also found, I went to hills sale and I joined the fire department of the local town, and I learned more about small unit leadership there that I did in the very artificial learning lab that was the academy. Why do you drink the fire department? That was cool.

IT was fun. Come on. I I got to do a lot of things in life, but driving a fire truck to a fire lights, sirens is definitely in the top life.

How many kids in your classroom in the var department?

Not since then, it's been more of a thing. But I was the first one ever IT hill there to join the fire department. And IT was convincing the graph, firefighters and IT was a full time, part time. So there was a couple of full time guys, but the rest were like a butch and a track truck driver and building contractor, so convincing them that this snatch knows college kid was okay to go through a burning building with them was there was no smaller admissions process.

One of the things I think most interesting about your trina you hate to talk about, but the fact that you were from an affluent ent family and so you didn't actually need to do any of that at all. So why did you do that?

A sense of mission, sense of service and mostly a sense of adventure.

SHE never thought like you were rich. I don't need to. This is just not send some going to.

Now, that was never .

bummer in europe for the summer.

Never about the equation. Why now? I did know. I did. I got married, uh, between my junior and senior year, and I took a long honeymoon and we went through eastern europe. But the funny thing is we just.

eur, what year was that?

That was ninety one. That was as the whole soviet union was.

I got married that year, I remember.

and we went to, we went to the bolt liberation tour with papua in and u. Rochelle from the vusi institute, and we went to a lizana at the estonia, and we visited the government buildings, which were still surrounded and occupied by soviet interim istory tubes. But they had three elections. IT was fascinating to see a place literally at the inflection point .

of embracing one month.

anyone with us that was may OK.

So I get married that summer also. And I went to the miotis club and tuck ers timber muta um IT seem more romantic than estonia. What is your White think, your Young bride think when you're like, we're getting married, but actually the honeymoon, A L escape of honey doing, but still a architecture .

and a we road trip through. But IT IT was really funny i'll never forget um baby canon bought an entire uniform off of a soviet border guard, a captain for twenty bucks and we at a restaurant and comes back with the whole uniform on the hanger and twenty box and has leaving the country in another one of our group pty luggage that you have to put through the scanner and you can see in the scandal looks like there's a manhole cover in the suitcase. There's is a huge desk.

Soviet water guard opens a thing. This is a very big problem. How much to make the problem go away? Fifty dollars IT was an entire bronze bus of london that have been yanked off a building in my our friend was exporting IT. So I thought, you know if they're selling landon .

for fifty dollars off a government building.

this is one that's incredible.

Um so my final question about the I mean is that is IT a crazy thing to consider the possibility that the government might employ this technology against its own citizens, deploy to get some own citizens are putting people people are still rotting in prison for protesting at the capital in january if they are putting a woman got four years in prison yesterday for protesting outside an abortion clinic. It's a government at war with its own citizens. So why wouldn't drones be part of that?

Um entirely possible.

How how do they do shoot down to see .

a twelve gage? It's actually one of the it's a big problem for the small F, P, V drones. There are so small and small, hard, so hard to hit. It's almost like hitting A A time again.

very hard to hit that bird. Very fast, very fast. I know you .

like bird hunting, so I tried to correlated IT, or maybe a very like a coil cocaine.

H it's that tough. Yeah, that sounds kind of sporting. So what is the defense? So if matt.

net nets, nets are, nets are a cheap, simple defense for small F, P, V. Drugs because it's a small charge. If you can keep the charge away from the target, the the small charge doesn't have that much effect. But you know people for plenty, you can always increase the the poundage.

My sense is that police partner and state police have drones now .

for surveilLance. Yes.

for survey. How hard is IT to to alter the surveilLance done to become an offensive weapon?

Well, the ukrainians and the russians have done that in their garages or in a tent on the edge battle pretty easily OK.

So why wouldn't, I mean, if you care about living in a non to tell italian country, if you about america, why I wouldn't someone even say, actually, no, we're not always gonna ass. The federal that no law enforcement or intel agency of the U. S.

military. These things cannot be used domestically. I the american d or .

or certainly armed .

or certain things like why do you need you .

know to mean look for for stopping a mass shooter or some actual terrorism event? IT provides good situation awareness and IT protects the cops who are trying to do an honest job. Um but the the the leakage in the same way that the forever wars of iraq ker afghanistan. And although surveilLance tools that the government tells us they need to protect us, the danger is certainly some of that tech, the ARM side leaking back to be used domestically.

That's I don't see any effort by the U. S. Government to stop my shootings. In fact, they seem to be abetting them. And time and time again, you find in the small print in the right up after the shooting that the person has been detained repeatedly by some branch of government saw you have already the cops refused to go in and save the kids as they are being executed at doesn't see many will to stop mass shootings.

There seems to be instead yeah but I don't see that. I know that you ve all one was not A I would say this not a top down federal conspiracy that was individual inadequacy of training readers is dozens of other ones where the cops have just been spectacular, like a but then you see the political correctness of them being reluctant to release the, the, the, the writings of this trans shooter who is out to kill Christians, right? So great individual value by those cops. Bad by the couple leadership or the law force leadership by not releasing the truth. Let's have a massive disinfecting effect of truth on the situation.

so for sure. But there's no will, obviously the media to get to that information was left to like people on x to do IT. I mean, you've been in and around the government since eighteen and shipped off to an ample is. So do you think it's fair for the rest of us who have an to be skeptical of massive increases in government power, particularly military and enforcement power, that are justified by some threat like .

we should be highly .

sceptical yeah matches, job molesters, human trafficking, islamic terrorists like I don't think the government does a good job of protecting us for many of those things, but they have certainly increase their power and their power to kill me in my family .

on the basis of those threats more on poverty, more poverty, more on drugs or drugs or on terrorism. Didn't goes so well, right?

Um and just that I don't were jumping around, but I have too many questions but .

um maybe we both suffer .

from a little d me there a lot to go through. So you were at the center of the warrantee um more than any other american I would say.

Well, I mean, we had had our shoulder to the wheel pushing like everybody else under.

but that the scale was, you know, I don't think there's ever been A A more effective military contractor war that i'm aware of in the next states. Then then black water, which you started in rent. So you know you were subject to the policymakers as well. And as in the afghanistan control, not one of them now he was not like indicator punish ed, but not a single one of them sort of lost a step in career advancement. They all kind of work on to the lent accounts .

or whatever or their board seats or board seats on the .

big defense contracts. So how is since you watch that, how did that happen? Like how did toria new and go from dick chinese office to being like the number two personal stake, partment overseeing the war in ukraine? Like that's just crazy .

to me because it's all IT at that. It's almost a good party IT is the party of big government yet big washington and more spending and more warfare and one hundred percent wrong.

The guys that you serve with um in the seal teams and who have been around in the subsequent thirty years, like how do they feel about that? Like guys who did three, four appointments or more.

the guys that actually paid the cost, that's exactly right. Bad policymaker decisions.

You were their friends came to suicide and they didn't see their kids grow up where they got killed. A lime like those guys. Yes.

what they think, they are disgusted. They're angry. They're rightness ously angry because they believe in the republic. When you, you, you join the military, you swear to defend the constitution against all enemies is more in domestic.

And you kind of join thinking all those enemy are going to be abroad, but some of the enemy of liberty are probably here and and when when a elite te enriches themselves and separates them from the realities of consequences of accountability, that's that's a pendulum that swings out far. But nature has a way of swing the pendulum back to the middle, and so that either IT get done in within the rule of law, accountability, or things can come apart very quickly. Frighteningly.

IT party account service is informal, its social pressure.

which is very effective. Shame exactly. And humor we need first of all, we need to just laugh at the freaking incompetence. I'd say when you when you track um I made the last deployment on the U. S, S.

AmErica that old, he was a fuel fired aircrafts career and they used to, uh, everything is measure on an aircraft Carrier, especially the landings, because is all about the aviation and who has the best I launched in recovery especially, you know, the trap. So they measure which, which, why are you catching everything? So once a month, there is a thing called the foxes, which is the front of the ship below the flight deck, where the the chains come out of the bill yet. And so all the area wing and the senior ships crew would muster there, and you'd go through all the scores, but then he would go through the most merciful, merciful rosing of anybody. IT was the most vicious humor i've ever seen in my life.

like guys to screw up the landings.

screw the landings, the X, O, the C. O. IT was no holds bar. IT was fantastic. IT was hilarious and very healthy. And but now that you you have a much more politically correct military, you can do that at all.

They don't do that anymore. No, no. But I mean, if if you can land an aircraft on a pitching deck of an aircraft Carrier, I mean, you put your own life, the hardware and the lives of the sailors at risk, correct? right? Right to the stakes could not be higher.

high stakes, very important. Mission literally lives on the line. And it's good to to reinforce good behavior and to punish bad behavior and and and shame. And the vision of your peers matters.

So looking back since again, you you so close to what was happening during that whole period, or at least until maybe two thousand, but for the critical years, you are wait right there. Who who do you blame most for the mistakes made in afghanistan, in iraq, in the subsequent wars? Who were the villains who shouldn't get board seats?

Look any we went through like eighteen different commanders, eighteen different four star generals over the course of afghanistan. Lot of Fosters generals. We have as many generals now as we didn't world war two, when we had fourteen million men underarms.

So now you have ten percent of that. So you have basically one point four million underarms versus fourteen. And we have the same amount of leg officers. So yeah, we are massively overstaffed. You think about all the this.

they have the indians.

each four star general has a personal Butler in a valley, in a driver, in a cook, in all those kind of a point eighteen th century habits of staff that they surrounded military generals with. We have that yet, for our general .

generals were brave, though even killed, in the civil war.

yes, and not so much now. So is is enable the then there there can be a massive windowing of of headcount across the board, in generals, in staffs and in civilians. The truth, the tail ratio of the military of, like how many, when you say teeth, people that put warheads on foreheads versus tail has gotten way out of wac. We have way too much tail like an allegation or size tail with a salary size bite.

It's just is so unbelievable corrupt so but but again.

but I get IT not it's it's it's corrupt because we just keep throwing money at IT in no one ever calls bullshit a business that goes through a massive growth cycle. Everybody can get fat and sloppy and lazy because you just there's oh more money and there we never have to tighten the bet. And so the the U.

S. Military has been on like A A um crispy cream bender of donuts, compounding amount of donuts consumed every day and no one's ever tighten them up and say, and alright, today they were just P. T.

And we're not eating donate. That's across our entire government, but especially the military, which is supposed to exist constitutionally to defend and deter. And and I don't think where we're not getting the money that we're we're not getting the value that we're spending .

money on right now. No, IT seems sure the point. What's dangerous um and IT does he might just want to restate A I don't know this as a that's certain fact, but I can feel IT very strongly.

I think the purpose of IT is to keep I think I think the enemy that they're seeking to fight lives here. I mean, I think this is a political I think the policymakers feel that way. They're very anxious to control .

any instrument of force. I would argue it's about for for the defense contractors. They didn't want to keep selling expensive weapons, right? And they will keep paying politicians to keep buying the expensive weapons.

I almost feel I don't feel sad for for the White house as they deal with the problem, like in yemen, where the hoods have become long range pirates and have shot off the entire red sea, like fifty percent of global container traffic flowed through the red sea. Now IT doesn't egypt losing eight hundred million dollars a month in in the lost toll fees from from container traffic? All those ships have to go all away around south africa now to make IT to europe coming out of asian.

It's a big problem. And i'm sure the navy, the, the, the, the D, O, D. Policymakers only provide the administration with the fifty one hundred billion dollar solution to go beat down the hoods to make them behave.

And in in the article I wrote, I just come back to, there is such a constant rejection of market based private sector solutions because the studies in the israelis actually had this problem back in the sixties when um there was a war in yemen. And they hire David sterling, the founder of the S S. sem.

There were thirty guys and they kicked and IT worked and I was cheap and simple and practical and the in in this article I wrote, uh just is a is a listening of those kind of rejections and that's my frustration because I provide A A lot of those options even to deter the ukraine war in the first place you know um when spy I I my internal internal sources gave me pretty good idea that already in december of twenty one, three months before the invasion, that the russians were going to invade. That he was not a IT was not a song and dance and so I wrote a paper proposing a combination of lend lease and flying tigers due to ter. The war.

Because in one nine hundred and forty, when britten was really in IT, the U. S. Gave fifty destroyers bunch of aircraft guns, gave to the britz.

We also provide an aircraft and allowed U. S. Pilots to take leave and go to work for the nationalist chinese to stop the japanese from bombing cities, call the flying tigers. yeah.

In this case, anyway, arms stolen yeah.

And made IT possible to go from moscow to to berlin to to stop the notes. but. I could have done one very simple thing he could have announced, okay, no war in nessy in ukraine.

They're never going to join part of nato, but there at least going to have an air force, because there was R, T, two hundred aircraft set to retire from the U. S. Air force, be flown to the desert in twenty, twenty two, fifty, fifteen, fifty, sixteen, seven, eight tens, already written down to zero value to the taxpayer. They're going to be flown to the desert, to the bone yard and park for eternity. Transfer those ukrainians would have been less than a billion dollars, prevent the war and the discussion of nato done.

But they one of the war obviously .

differently. why? Or they, or they believe their own bullshit that they, that their powers points in their postings would dissuade OK. I, I, I, I understand why the russians get honor about IT because if if the the russians are the chinese, we're looking to make a the northern provinces of mexico into active parts of a chinese or rational alliance. We can learn about that.

obviously. And they putting, if they put, you know.

look what happened when they put missile .

in cuba in nineteen muscles in tewana would be unacceptable.

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Like why would they want that? I I if maybe maybe they're just that dumb.

I don't think and I think they are dumb. I mean, they're definitely tony blinking, I mean, really dumb.

having a rock concert in kf during massive combat Operations while the ukraine army is getting crushed. He he just visited and he's up there on stage. He's up there on stage with his guitar. It's like that is neural fiddy while rome burns here. IT is.

So yeah, I mean, he's a child, obviously, and like an angry, destructive child. But what happens? Like where does this go? We set another sixty billion dollars. ukraine.

Most of that money goes to five major U. S. Defense contractors. Yes, to a place at five times the cost, what the weapons cost that we already sent the ukraine.

Ans, you know, if we send him something that was built ten years ago and now it's gona cost four and five times as much. So again, it's a massive griffe paid by a pentagon that doesn't know how to buy stuff cost effectively IT doesn't change the outcome on the battle. The as as the fields dry may now coming up on tank season.

The there is a tank season again.

Weather still matters in warfare and you know if you have A A wet snow covered farm field to very much very goody not great for tank mud season my season I think the russians call IT the great respited to the great slush yeah that's done now. And um as june comes, IT will be game on. And I think the russian bear is hungry and, uh and they're onna have a time so the war should have been ended, never, never started.

They're should have made a deal, froze the lines six months into IT. But the biden administration believe that a, all this american weapon would have saved the day. IT hasn't, and it's ugly.

And you know, the russian, the russian commanders are not idiots. They know their history. The battle, of course, which happened just north of where the fighting is now, was the largest tank battle in history.

IT was the last offensive effort of the of the german army against the the soviet and a they tried to push from the northern and south on the silent IT was a bulge, and the russians knew they were coming. And so they build lots of lines of defenses. The same thing we've done that with that they did last summer, which eat up all that equipment.

And now the ukraine ans are very thin theyve had a lot of corruption issues. All the offences that we're supposed to be built by the ukrainians are much smaller or not existent. And so now it's allowing manuvre. And especially as the tanks, as the fields dry and you can manuvers, it's going to be a very ugly summer, very.

what do you think the russians want?

I think now they want to absolutely militate the west and make sure that they never have a problem with ukrainian.

And that seems achievable.

pray. So what happens to ukraine?

I don't know.

If IT survives an independent country, if they take a desk, if they take the ability for ukraine export its grain. Um that really threatens the long term economic viability. Maybe maybe IT goes back to the western ukraine used to be part of poland, right issue ukraine used to be part of russia. So you know maps maps move depending on um you know military Victory drive domain breakthrough. So you think, and right now, the russians are winning and they're .

going to have a very good summer. Is there anybody who's knowledges on the subject, who believes ukraine can quit, win, which is to say push russian troops all the way back to the to the old russian border?

A well, I didn't really believe I ever I know that, but I don't I don't know who's advising the White house at this point or who they're listening to, but they probably needed change out the adviser list.

But so but then you have the secretary state, or be funny secretary of state tony binky um boomer parity uh showing up in telling the ukrainians during his rock concert that you know we're with you forever like how could you say something like that when i've never made a single person who knows anything about the region who thinks ukranian will achieve vitry no matter how much money we send them? How could you say something like that?

It's good money after bad and we're doing now is facilitating the demise of of ukrainian men and destroying them for a future generations.

So how many have died? I've asked members of congress who are funding .

the stuff hundreds of thousands.

but but I here's what understand if you're paying for this war, which the united states is, the U. S. Congress is, Michael Johnson is, don't you have a moral obligation to know its consequences? Like how can you just how can you get after the ukraine an lapel pin and talk about the brave ukraine people who are being killed by the hundred, hundreds, thousands, and you need me keep track of casualties. I got, you can have a monster for doing that.

I don't understand. And you look at if if you made the pictures of the modern battle space on the front a little grainy and black and White, yep, it's distinguish from the battle of the sum or world war one, just a right, or to a grinding, crushing, pointless loss of humanity.

But it's being a beat by our policymakers like they they're responsible for this to some extent .

like what and it's it's it's shocking how unparted what government has become.

You don't seem shocked that they don't care about how many ukrainians have died.

They don't care about how many U. S. Troops die?

Really good point. No, it's tilly for points .

because IT because they'll send, they'll send U. S. Troops to war with a whole bunch of cocom I rules of engagement and policies and is just not a serious way to wage warfare. The the the whole premise of giant was that we could, by surgeon, by american magic precision, we can always just clipper off the head of the snake, and the whole body would die of the snake. And that's just that flies in the face of every kind of warfare. When you look back to or lor two, we killed off thirty percent of the german mae population, or one same american civil war, same uh the the the the wars in europe in the seventeen eighteen hundreds. Back to the punch and palpitations an wars you destroy their man powered the logistics in their finance, this cutting off the head of is a false erant.

Is there any present for in history? no. So I thought sort of a key component of education of the military academies was military history.

No, I am serious. And you I mean, you're living example of that. You went to one and you know an awful lot about your business.

I did. I didn't learn that academy really. No, no. That's a lifetime of curiosity out. I was a military history geek as a kid when we my family went to NorMandy when I was eleven. And you know, I was the tour guide, sd gold, juno beach, peaces bridge all that yeah I I was that but I mean earty geeky kid.

So do you think you're avert like modern flag office search, just have not aware of the history of warfare.

I'm sure they get some level of IT, but they have not made a career. I i'd say the best book I read on general officers was was a british military study is called the psychology of military pretence. And IT and IT went through five of the biggest disasters in british military history, like the surrender at singapore, carton cartoon, baghdad in word war one.

of course, the afghan .

withdrawal.

yes.

Into push hour, yes. And and IT and IT compared little look through the guys childhood where he went to school, his relationship with his father, all the rest, and very consistent themes. And I they are very bookish, very geeky nut a not self um no introspection yeah so the .

tiny blanket but I or just not eight .

people able to say, okay, this is networking. We're we're going to attack we're going to attack the boat because the this is not working in this direction.

And so there are weak men. In other words.

Yeah I look at the the the anomaly of pattern is doesn't occur very often patent .

who's been machined since his death remarkable human being um and of course, you know hollywood is I don't know how many movies you've done telling us pattern was bad um but now there are some suggestion that pattern also murder. Do you think that that's .

possible IT be a hell of a difficult well, I don't know if the traffic accident, the jeep roll over yeah was an accident.

were then but he survived IT .

in the delius I man, I don't know, but he hated the soviet. He hated .

communism. I know. So what? I don't want to get too far field here, but that does see my a pivot points, world history, where that what, you know, April one thousand and forty five, hate or kills himself, berlin is occupied by the russians that set that we win in europe. And then we sort of like kind of pivot for the civ union for a few years, tell maybe rosenbergs were .

yeah before and even the amount of communist st. Agents that were surrounding roseveldt.

yes, literally the agent, right. So um like why did that happen? Like how do we fight this war for freedom and then wind up so handing poland to stolen, for example, on the side .

of the country countries was of course yeah IT IT showed. So how is this a work for freedom of for handing an exhAusting of moral leadership?

Yeah I think who was that who do you think if we could hold one person responsible .

for the he was president rose, that was dead. So as torture said, he died in traces. But I think um I I think when you look at history, the the lie of socialism climate m IT is such a it's it's easy for the leads to love that paradise because it's because the because the right wing austrian school economic approach is massive.

The centralization yeah decision making at the micro o level. Farmer knows what Prices are as a good idea what demand is gonna decide whether he's going to plant more acrs that that year or not and takes that risk himself. The soviet planner says, I need everyone to plant this many acres and we're going to do at this Price. And it's the light of individual incentive versus massive central planning to the determent of elite thinking with the grid that goes with IT. And that sister is like a mind worm disease that so many people continue generation after generation.

continue to fall for. Ah it's a mom base system or as the let the farmer figured out it's a dead base system. Yes, true. You a farmer, how do you know like that's what your dad is, your mom like? No, it's what's but that's .

why I am so excited to see me a having success in argentina for a guy. And that maybe a analogy to to amErica because he got sicker. I mean, you know, at the end of world war two, p per capital living standards in argentino were higher than switzerland.

And yes, pianist's socialists take over. They run the company. They will run the country basically off the Cliff.

Hyperinflation, economic graph, ge, terrible mile. Get sick of not only the pianist's, but the pathetic, so called rightwing opposition, which is not opposition. He started his own political party, and he wins. I mean, I like any guy at a campaign with the chainsaw I grew that .

is IT get to happen here.

I don't think the republican party is really that salvagable anymore. No, because it's been gobbled up by corporatists. yes. And the, you know, the defense industry now spreads money equally, right and left.

That even really right I just across the washington insiders uh so yeah maybe at an entirely new political movement. That's why trump is transformation because he can came outside the republican party, right and did IT. And I hope he can I hope he can move the needle somewhere in the right direction because it's it's tearing.

So I got to ask person question, we're in middle east together not that long ago and I noticed two things one um you flew coach to the the least which obviously don't cheat you but you did that on purpose. I think that is your custom um or the same age three weeks apart. And I think most why would you do that? And the second thing I noticed is you went from there to some farmer obscure part of the world um so I can explain those things if you want.

I am. When I I got the seal teams older than I wanted to I love being a seal was pretty that I think and I haven't had a nice korea are going there .

another story, if you explain .

why you got out oh my dad vide um when I was twenty five and my wife got cancer no, I was twenty six. He was twenty nine and he got cancer so I got out of sort out the home front. And that's really why I started black water just as a way to stay connected to the seal teams.

I knew nothing of business, nothing of land development, nothing of government contracting. But I kind of knew what the special Operations community needed. And building that business was um was a really great experience.

IT was IT was family policy for my dad to not come to work in the family business. After college, you had to go do your own thing. I I didn't wanted to do this business.

I was not. I don't think I was really suit for IT, and but I was going to come to work with him after twelve years of being a seal starting black water building. IT was one of the most satisfying things i've ever done in my life, because bringing together people with great talents are really good.

That they gained the military, they retired or or gotten out. And having IT smashed the way, I was really left a bad taste in my mouth. And I would be honest, I Carry a big chip in my shoulder yet, and I try to keeping perspective.

So look, I had a business that was crushing, lost thousands of guys, lost their lives, their limbs, their mental health, their spouses over a badly run war in two theatres by idiot washington elites. Same idiots that smashed my business. Um so yeah, I got a chip on my shoulder. Do something big and effective and spectacular again and run hard until that happens or or I die.

Try but I mean, you know fifty four, fifty five year old guys who have been successful, which you have been despite having your business slashed, they don't like coach. Like what is that? Is that like you just to sparin impulse so you just don't get off.

you get there the same time? Yeah, but IT, I got a toker. I fly so much that anyway.

look just weird. I know .

is the same. I A st, I do fly business class ten percent .

of the time. I mean, that's that's fine if you're find the four other day from dc or something, but you devise a long way. I just think it's very, very interesting.

Learn to sleep in any position. So that's what is that's what IT is. Yeah, I like that. What's the worst place you're been recently? Why you in africa?

Um what do you .

do for a living earth? I think you pretty well, I really sure .

I would say there are lots of countries that um need help organizing with the basics of tax collection and security systems and border security and police advisement. Because what we take for granted in america, if you want to start a business in america, you can call a law office in delivery, or get a business in two hours for two other bucks is simple. And you can get titled to your land.

Here, you get a bank account, get a business license. You can, you do the things that make capital formation possible. There are so many parts of the world, but that's not possible. And so providing them the very basic means of a reliable police department, or the means to stop gangs, ji gangs, criminal gangs, whatever. So I do provide some advice to countries how to do that from time to time.

I judging by what little I know, if your travel schedule IT seems pretty frequent, that's and so since you are everywhere all the time um and most americans are including me, are only to me aware what's happening around the world. Name three places we should be paying more attention to now than we are.

The chinese communist party has been very active in mexico. The fatal crisis is very much, you know, last year fetch l in amErica killed like a hundred nine thousand people yes. Um IT is funded, organized, logistically facilitated by the chinese company's party to move the press or chemicals that are actually made near wahn china ship to ether venezuela or mexico, fabricated the final and basically blended with other common drugs that people are taking.

And IT doesn't make any sense to do so because why would a drug do they want to kill his customers? That's what happening in is an absolute it's a fuckyou from the C. C.

P. Against the west for the open wars of the eighteen forties. And it's done to .

to murder american .

children hundred percent yes.

And just tradition, not junkies who, like, took too much. These are kids .

is a color .

of instagram.

yes, or A, A, A bootleg purchase?

Exactly, actually.

And so there people dying, and that is, you trace that. And I can show all that going right back to mainland. Why wouldn't?

Why are we sending all these governments to ukrainian? We could bomb those facilities in mexico there. If you killing up.

she's been one hundred thousand, need a bomb, fires and under utilized .

tool l what's happening here? I know quite a few manufacturing and agricultural facilities ties that seem to be going up and smoke in this country. yeah.

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And so IT looked at the same. And on that last time blinkin was in beijing, he didn't even call money to say stop. He said, well, no, it's yeah maybe some of the stuff is coming from china, but it's really just a shipping accidental shipping problem. I mean, it's IT is such a denial of reality.

It's it's largest. I so I get to think if you're not speculating about this.

this is known hoder percent.

Do the intelligence to say, you know this ever?

Nobody wants to do anything.

why?

I think the even an agency that doesn't want to do their job.

which agency? C A, A.

because I think and I know you have rightly very mixed feelings on the C A. However, the mission of the C I, A, if you think about the state department, can handle five percent of issues, diplomats and embassies. You want your military over here, your conventional military.

It's a big, angry dog waited to be let off, leach. That hopefully is the middle, the world, those those problems. We think about how the soviet union was really undermined in the eighties.

There was now there was twenty covered action findings that were signed, coupled by Carter, mostly by regan, done to undermine the soft union, economically, politically, culturally, socially. And that was done under title fifty authorities. And that worked without IT, happened to involved big military expenditure.

There are, if you want to stop, like how we we know that is a problem. We know the chinese are a problem doing IT. That's specifically what the title fifty authorities are for to say to six guys, go make that problem stop. I can if you have an agency that doesn't want to do their job.

that's why it's not happening. But they in so many other things I thought I was never against, I thought only like dumb little als, you know, when traders or whatever. So my view on C A.

Have evolved based on things that I have seen in personal experience. And my conclusion is not that everyone, they are, particularly in the paramilitary. I know millions like great guys, whatever, but on some like basic level, IT seems totally I control to me.

I IT is. I mean, when you have the leadership, the CIA this uh havana syndrome is a real thing. What does that mean? It's a um it's effectively a microwave weapon that's been used to effectively blushed the brains of americans working out of embassies first in havana, columbia, delhi, hanoi, viana, washington, D C.

Lots of places, gay hurting, severely hurting americans serving abroad. And the C. H.

Rector says. It's all in their minds. It's belma. That's that's wrong when your people are getting screwed by.

So you think that I don't have a view on that. I mean, i'm sure I don't know the answer, but i'm sympathetic. Open to both possibilities being true. But you think, based on evidence that this is absolutely real?

Yes, I know IT to be real.

How, who's doing this .

and why I was a IT was a IT was A A device that was developed in the soviet union in the early seventies, actually, in ukraine.

So and I think that heart key development plant, not nothing do the ukrainians now, but it's a um about the size of a um um like a beverage card on an aircraft that size device um and it's very damaging and in the fact that the russians can do that to us without consequences, IT shows how how pathetic they view C I A in the U. S. Government do not push back on .

consequences. So C, I A, what motive would they have to pretend this wasn't real?

Because they would require push back somewhere, somehow.

But they're literally fighting russia in ukraine. C. I is all over ukraine fighting russia.

Good question. I mean, put in this way, they don't like me enough that I was uninvited from a dear friend's retirement ten days ago.

Oh, I bet, I bet I don't like you. And you've obviously worked with them most of your life.

right? We did a lot of great work for them, hundred percent success rate. But yeah, they look people with the wrong people being in charge.

The agency has also gotten hyper bloated, basically the same number of case officers that there is always been for twenty five years. But the places grown tenfold of all the one kind of people under the decision making of a guy like brennan. yes.

And why does brand and hate the actual deo, the structured Operations? Because he's a failed case of so he flink, at a school. I mean, how did the guy that voted for guest hall in one nine hundred and seventy six who was got .

all because of a hallberg? He was the finish american head of the american communist party in new york city.

Exactly how does a guy vote for the head of the climate party in one nine hundred and seventy six of the height of the cold war, and then pass whatever background check the agency is doing and have a good security clearance? I find that stunning.

He retains his security clearance because the last administration refused to trip him of his security clearance despite the fact he was actively working to undermine democratically elected president. No, I know the levels of betrayal and self betrayal are just almost mind boggling. Let me ask you specifically about what the C I does in ukraine. So I think it's fair to say, based on what even the york times has reported, that the, uh, the C A. Is running effectively the ukrainian until services.

I don't know. I onesta don't know that i'm shortly they have they have been their advising in supporting, but I think the ukrainians probably grew frustrated at a wit, you know, lack of lack of willingness to do certain things. So I don't know where the U. S. Support ends and where the ukrainian real stuff.

because I asked, because they've assessing ated people. I think they try assessed me, for example, but they definitely killed dogs under judge's daughter. Um they you know allowed an american critic of the uh ini government to die in prison out err console.

And just like we will wait a second if this is a proxy war and we're overseeing IT then is the U. S. Government aware of this, responsible for IT like what use government to protect american citizens. But clearly.

and if you and if you had a honest look, that is did a good job as the chairman of the you have trying to dig in to the nonsense. And he obviously have met all kinds of resistance, but he had fighting them. Now the we're public and oversight of the intel committee of of the intel agencies completely.

But even I like a lot. But there were those guys all afraid of the C A. As you know, they're RAID of them. They know there being spied on by C I or N S A or or any you know FBI. They know their being members.

Were they supposed to be in charge of over singing is agencies or being spied on by them? They're fully aware of that. I know because they're told me to my face and guessing and that's just that's not democracy. That's a totally crazy.

Yeah that's like like markers wolf in the sti.

That's yeah exactly. That's exactly right. The you are the most .

admit because the sti was way more effective than any other intel service, even the K. G. B. Yes, that was the embody. What is german efficiency innovation?

And was like the only effective institutional tire country .

is about an ordinal. What does that mean? Everything was in order. Yeah.

nice. So and then I know that C A. Runs businesses, like runs businesses outside the country and those are sources of income for the agency that like how can the government agency run businesses? I don't understand that.

I am truly not aware of any that okay.

Um but how do you rain IT in? I mean because of course could be a an essential tool of diplomacy, stake graph of put the projection power. And you could see fc, a could be helpful .

to your country. The agency is the most easy to reform of all federal agencies. Civil service rules don't apply.

Yes, you can fire anyone for any reason that fast. You can clean house, have have a all hands meeting at the bubble on a friday. Yeah, and send fifty percent of them home. Send him out to send him out of their cars and tell him will ship your stuff from your desk. You could cleaned .

IT out that fast, but what does no one do that?

Maybe no one's had the balls as the director or the deputy director to do that.

Do you believe? C, I has, in last twenty five years, use violence against any american citizen?

Uh, yeah. brack. Obama killed the american citizen in a sixteen year old sun alok I in in yen.

right? And that's publicly known, but they're in out they're all sorts of there's evidence that there that's not and maybe there's more.

but I know that one.

So you don't think it's .

crazy to assume that um entirely possible. And well, there is a lot of, is a lot of people that are considered american citizens.

that problem ouldn't be considered amErica with that, yes.

fair. But the left has so devalued citizenship, right? IT should mean something to be americans. I mean, a roman citizen. IT meant something.

Venezuelan ganging member who's here illegally is everybody d's american? Is you born in western michigan? So yes, I am quite aware of that banker .

baby's perth's edition ship. All of that must go .

yeah you wonder, you know, if we've reached a point where that it's impossible for the country to act in its own interest just because of the changes due immigration.

I I read a lot of history, and I know that things have been a lot worse than certain societies. And corrective events can be shocking and traumatic to people, but is still possible.

C, I, A, and not A C, I, but FBI and other agencies. So to be enforcing all gathers intelligence have been shown with held information from democratically elected presidents. I number them certainly trump. That's a crime is IT not yeah and and .

should be met with immediate discipline and and that's a matter of having people that will follow through and wade through the bureaucratic process and in exercise the authority that their charge we're doing right? If you when you join the military, you see where defend the constitution against all we warm domestic, we should probably do something similar for any civilian employee, the federal government that they swear to defend the constitution, not swear allegiance to a political leader, not constitution.

right? But it's not a constitution of public. If we unelected employees, the federal government ignored the .

elected employees, yeah, well, that's something. Love IT hated black water. Every contract that they worked for us sword to defend the constitution the same oth they sore when they join the military or law forceful they swarm again in our presence as a reminder .

that were here to serve so um I wanted ask about spying on american citizens. So we know that it's widespread, is accelerating. Data is being collected about every single one of us and the vector for a lot of that is the phone. So it's it's like super useful, of course, um but it's also the main vulnerability if you care about privacy and freedom. So you've created a phone that allows people to something to opt out of the current spying regime.

Let let me back up to where, I guess, where they started. You know, if you think about after nine, eleven, suddenly, holy shit, all these federal agencies are waking up. And how do we prevent this kind of conspiracy attack against this again? And so they start looking at data. Of course, in nine eleven, we didn't have smartphones. But as smart phones become available and the technology that goes around a smartphone because what is a smart phone, it's basically highly capable personal computer in your hand yeah, that's constantly linked .

to do a network. yes.

And so as ad data into the private sector always innovates much faster than governments do. And so as apple in google mobile services um start developing phones, they put ad ideas in tracking information on those phones. Why to have to micro target you to sell advertising? They they they gathered and collect micro o information about you so that they can sell precision information to advertisers who who want to sell you stuff.

Can you give us sense of what that what that information is? What what do they know about you?

What an advertising I D is, a like a twenty five digit alpha amErica code that sits on your phone and enables les to collect where you go, what you buy, who you call and what you browse. IT even works with the apps sitting on your phone, which are also built with a software developer kit comment that comes from google.

And they they pay you more to put the google hooks in so that those apps can also turn on the on your phone or the camera or the GPS so that your phone, yes, it's computer, but effectively becomes a mobile microphone collection listening device that's fit in your pocket or sit in your nightstand and IT collects anything and everything about what you do. And so it's been it's sometimes been like a slow boiling of a frog because we as smart phones become common, that becomes very convenient and is wonderful and IT becomes more and more uh, pervasive in our lives, providing us music and news and communications and in pictures and videos of our family. Every bit of that data is collected, analyzed, past and resolved.

Advertisers, that is, the five leading big tech companies have a combined market cap, is like the third or fourth largest nation in the world off of that surveilLance of capitalism model. So as smart phones have become available, it's slow boiled all of us into a point of holy shit. And I guess for me, the ocean moment was after the twenty twenty election and seeing the power that big tech had to sway that election and to then coordinate and to control who um who could speak, who could speak on certain platforms and serving out certain people.

And I actually had A A tech team together at the time doing a forensic thing and in a rage phone call I said, fuck IT, we're going to build a phone and we pivoted and that team uh then started working and um yeah we we built a phone um as as an answer because we're never gonna make big tech change by whining about IT that way too much money and way too much power. We had to provide a means for people to communicate freely, securely and most importantly, that they can control their data. I think it's inherently american that we accept.

We we expect privacy as americans think about the constitution. First, ammen is free speech, freedom of religion, freeman assembly. Second, we know what that guanches the first, what's the third amendment? What was most important for the founding fathers? privacy.

Get these day british troops out of my house, of course, no cordery act, because there was actually british soldiers being put into people's houses. Privacy forth amendment the right to privacy in our in in the searches of our personal data. Yes, what big tech has created in surveilLance capitalism is more pervasive and more intrusive than anything you could ever possibly. It's more, it's more pervasive than the markets, wolf of the stasi or barrier of the K, G, B, the yet, N, K, V, D. Could ever .

possibly anything that happens in .

contemporary north korea? Yes, exactly. And we give IT away if we give IT away freely. And so people still close the bathroom stall. When you go into the toilet, you still close a shower curtain. We still do lots of things that we expect to have A A privacy, but yet people with a regular phone but other nights and and are surprised that the microphone is listening. I've had so many people i've talked to you about, they said I was talking to my wife about needing a new mattress in our bedroom in the next day, they're getting advertising for mattress, which means the camera or the phone was listening to them in their bedroom. With all the following conclusions should be drawn from that.

We are given what happens in healthy bedrooms that I mean, so what happens to those recordings?

Well, we've been doing a study following our device, a google mobile services phone in any android running google mobile services, which is all of them, or iphone and or about three A M. We're seeing a Spike of data leaving the phone, but fifty megabits, that is basically that phone dialing home to the mothership, exporting all of your going on.

all your pillow .

talk is going to pillow talk, whatever, right? So sucker bird paid twenty billion dollars for WhatsApp. why? Because every message, call, video, picture, voice, note everything that goes through there, they say, well, it's end end encysted.

Yeah, it's end the end until the passes to the server where it's slice and diced and analyzed and use to push use to sell advertising. Do that customer if you're not paying for something, you're not the customer, you are the product. So if you wanna get well, I think people people right now are used to mark zuker berg listening from the nightstand every night because that's effectively what what your phone like.

the creepiest person in world history, if he's listened to what's going .

on your bedroom, because they're able as big tech to shape that message. That's that's the frightening thing about the power of big tech and their ability to to influence what you watch, what you think about candidates if you search something, how they how they score those rankings, it's a IT is shocking. We have an anti trust problem here in amErica vhy worse than in the early nineteen eight, later eight hundreds, early nineteen hundreds.

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This is literally how we communicate, interact with other human beings in our lives, how we gathered and and and share information about the realities of life, of food, of medicine, of vaccines, of health care issues, of of truth. And so it's an especially an era of the eye. It's scary stuff.

The average kid america, by the time they reach the age of thirteen, he said, seventy two million data points collected on them by big tech. So so it's almost like that that much collection allows digital grooming by big tech to to share and to shape your preferences, how you interact. Is that your sexual preferences?

I mean, if you're being honest here, yeah exactly considering that Young people introduced to sexuality through pornography ah yeah um given that there's no privacy is probably .

pretty dumb to watch po n yeah .

nothing's private right so um what happens to all this data?

Well, now I will see that it's used and stored. I mean, if it's it's the the the bloom of data centres surrounding all these tech hubs around amErica is terrific. And all that data is being collected and stored. And and I have to just .

to for a fuel question on inter, to given that those data centers are some of the biggest users of electricity through like a steel point OK, no massive electricity draw, and using electricity, of course, destroying the planet and excEllent climate change, why are the climate change zombies to facing paintings in museums are not protesting data centres?

I would to say there. If if they were coming after data centres, then they would be getting a nonstop stream of of social media messaging of why they should be .

attacking art instead of us. exactly. But like why? Why are the A I goods? Why is mark socker berg? Why are they? They not climate criminals? Why I A climate criminal for having a woodstove in a salado? But the people who run data centers, which literally draw more power .

with with a percent with the harder percent .

back up as well, right? So i'm not against using energy and pro energy actually in cheap energy, but by the current rules, their criminals. So why does anyone call them criminals?

Um because big tech has shockingly a complete control over how that message yes.

over our minds and what we think. Sorry, but that you brought all right .

back to the point which is and so now congress, including a lot of republicans in their idiocy, have not only extended VISA right VISA started as the foreign .

intelligence surveilLance yeah .

seventy seven eight supposed to be measuring monitoring how you collect intelligence communications going to Warners now this is really all about americans um I guess we're treated as foreigner by our own government ah and and so the federal agencies got sick of getting beat up when the'd come congress for millions of times illegally accessing what was supposed to be VISA unauthorized communications information and for buying all this commercial data that's that's collected and held and disseminated by big tech to facilitate advertising and typing and measuring where you go, what you buy, who you call, what you browse, everything about you in a way that any any previous intelligence boss would have celebrate IT over.

So now the new via san extension is a massive enlargement. Says that any federal agent, for any reason without probable cause or awards, can compel any company that holds any of that personal data to turn IT over, allowing a massive fishing expedition on anybody that's consider an opponent of that of the reservation. Federal agent is really disgusting, really, if it's not A A A stamp act. Tea party seventeen seventy five moment, I don't know what is, but that is ultimately your government having a court blaunch to do a digital pathology exam on you with no questions asked.

Well, considering that these companies holds, you know, I do if you have sex with your wife, video of you watching pornography like stuff that a lot do you have you telling racial jokes or whatever, like your most intimate moments, the ones that could be used to blackmail and destroy you, doing things you would not do in public and shouldn't do in public, like that's just that's the ultimate power.

is not yeah I guess some you either have to not give a shit and fight anyway yeah or try to live .

rich ously too, which helps.

That always helps.

So how does your phone protect people?

So again, this, like I said, this, this era started three, five years ago, and we came back up from a completely contrary in view. Yeah, this phone is our hardware made in indonesia at a singapore polian facility. Um our Operating system, all our code and we are solely focused on data sovereign that you control.

It's pretty cool just that I am kind of impressed that you made hardware. You didn't just build an APP like you .

extract this because you have to control IT down to the root level of of the hardware and the software. So that are are we don't have an advertising I D. And our upper system blocks.

Any any attempt by any APP to turn on your camera or your wifi or your mack phone or your GPS or anything, we don't allow any of that leakage. In fact, we have a privacy center. This is called the unplug.

This is an unplug phone. And this is a effectively of firewall, which prevents apps from doing all the things are used to doing and all the other phones. So the year in control of what of your data goes out, which is effectively zero. This is like, this is like a safe comes in. IT doesn't come out.

So I put just a bottom wine and i'm protected from. What am I protected from if I use here's the thing the .

the um if you're using apps and some federal agency goes to that APP prevail and says give me everything you have on tucker that has been using on that APP to be nothing because there's no data leaking from you from your device to that to that APP if if you call somebody we ever our own secure messenger, for example, you want to call and make a secure call and you call me IT takes about five seconds to connect because it's early.

Creating a cryptic tunnel between you and me generates a new encysted key. Every call, it's completely different. So the government hates that.

And there have been all kinds of legal attack over this question. They don't want secure communication between citizens because all the sudden they care about human trafficking or something.

Yes, in their their latest excuse for this massive five enlargement was drug trafficking. Drug trafficking.

right?

Because they've been fAiling for forty fifteen years at that.

Well, they just open the southern border to fend no on human trafficking. So these exact same people are suddenly really worried about .

human trafficking and try it's it's a joke. So we we did we produced five hundred units, field of them last four, we did a big, a big data test. And now we have ten thousand units.

So people can order and and deliver. And look, it's a IT is our effort to to fight the power. So what can I do?

I mean, i'll just confess that I use an iphone made by a company actually kind of hate, and that hates my country and me. And I used IT anyway because it's we figured .

there's a lot of people like you that would want to digitally opt out of the lie of big tech. And so what you can't do, I wish we don't have the apple store, uh, we don't have apple music, but you can use spotify. You can use um a lot of the other streaming services on here.

We just prevent them from collecting your data as to what you're listening to or or where you are when you do IT. What about pictures? Course, you can take pictures and you can share pictures.

You can send pictures. We have a lot of the other privacy related apps, whether its signal or three ma or protein or telegram. We have what is not done this. So everyone .

complaints about this. Everyone who pays any intention or understands this. Iphone is incredibly expensive um in the deva hammer walk on your life. And so this seems like a pretty oba.

People have tried that before, and they they burn through a lot of money. And I don't think the timing is right.

They're not flying coach to to buy, are they?

We did this when you .

are dutch. I love fly coach in the park .

for each. This phone also has a kill switch, an actual, uh, a switch with separate the battery from the electronics. You can shut your iphone or oh, I know it's always listening. It's always ping towers is always ping wifi, building a digital break ROM trail where you go what .

you do if I turn the iphone off, it's not off.

correct this. You turn that off, it's off because IT physically separates battery from electronics, just like pulling the battery out of an old nokia.

So i'm starting to up to you. So this I love this. Of course, it's incredibly ambitious, but also on some of those kind of obvious like why, how when we had this for force that you said people have tried, they spend too much money and then I am petite .

or and they tried maybe just with an APP and just with an APP doesn't work and and people have tried to do IT with a riskin google phone we have this is this phone is incapable of running google mobile services. You're not going to get google maps. We have a way to navigate that works well. But again, so many of the the premium approaches where they've been boiling the frog of the american of the people of the world, um we provide them a digital alternative to that where you are in control of your first amendment rights and your fourth .

moment rights. A man, how hard is IT to text people who don't have that phone?

It's just we look at a MIT electrons. So ultimate, you can see if it's on a tower or not. But we even provided with a with the sim, uh with A A sym provider, a data provider in network airtime provider that collects the minimum mm, basically all they needed your zip code aware by IT.

What I think is if I am using an plug phone of my wife as an iphone, I can text her.

yes, sure. And he can even put on plug messenger on her iphone as well. How much more expensive that on iphone.

this is nine hundred eighty nine dollars.

So it's cheaper, about five hundred dollars cheaper and it's comparable in speed .

storage chemicals.

Can you actually get one? Yeah, you can order that unplug dot com lash tucker. And will, uh, we will look where where big livers or big livers in your audience, I may are long art fan and h we think your fans are our people and so we are happy to compensate them and uh and you guys and we want to we want to win this together and give people a digital alternative to big tech owning their lives.

And I really show if the, I mean, it's not a threat to apple right now, but if if there's big takeup IT could be. So what how do you expect them to try and stifle competition? Is monopoly? Sure, they want to retain monopoly status. Look.

if you search for, if you do a google search for, unplug phone or things like that, they tend to stack every negative article possible written about IT. First.

though there have been bad pieces written.

of course, course, of course, the the left will always a come after me and and hate me, freeing .

everything is the left used .

to be about free speech and now they're really about kind of state control.

But does the phone deny the election? And tony .

just I would argue that um the phone cares about your first and fourth moment rights and okay, uh, we are we are this is not a political phone.

so there's no cun on feature on the phone.

There's not I don't know there's a no we do have with funny thing is we do we are in is so we even have an APP a dating APP for people that are unvaccinated because they were thrown out of the apple in the google store. So yes, we aware also a repository for the apps that have no hole seriously.

So you want to have like really healthy babies. You can go into this stating .

up if you're not a big fan of the M R. N. A and you changing your ugt for future generations. Yes.

on phone and in lame is ask, actually fall up. And that I think what you just have, the lessons you udell, is maybe the most interesting story of my lifetime, the possibility that the mra technology could affect genes, which is not crazy actually. Ah ah I don't know it's true not do you take is true.

You're be ishi study to ask how many of the the executives of those pharmacie companies actually took their own product. That should be a congressionally. I don't care if it's a hipper issue or not that, that someone should find that out .

what hipper doesn't exist. I mean, when they are when they forcing you to declare your vx status to use businesses or travel. Clearly, if IT doesn't mean anything, right, there's no medical privacy.

Look in. And since the rotation of that privacy, I just want to encourage everyone to use cash yet as well. Don't don't go to these you know, anyone that says that goes to these these world coffee shops and they say we don't accept cash anymore, look on the front of a dollar.

Bill IT says this note is legal tender for all that is public ican private. No one has the ability to deny you using cash, so leave them the right change in the table and tell them to have a nice day. They cannot make you pay with a credit card that that is that is actually interaction ist. If these businesses are denying you the ability to use legal tender of the united states government.

I I never thought of that. Has anyone tried that?

Oh yeah, I make an issue of IT all the time, much to my kids um embarrassment ment but yeah, i'm a big of cashes freedom. But the amount of data that is collected on you everywhere you want to buy gas by gas, pay cash, whatever, but the the what what we we see in china where they really don't accept cash anymore. And IT should become the ultimate surveilLance state.

That's where we're heading unless free people unite and resist that kind of a totality, an impulse of big government, big tech working together in china. You have to pay with the, with a witch hat APP. So you do your banking through that.

You acquire tickets for a bus and airplane, a train through that. You pay road toll through that. Everything is through this APP controlled by the state. And so before they even go to a central bank, digital currency, they literally have you by the balls.

and they can zero at that point, instantly.

correct? And so we did this as because for free people to be relived in a free society, they have to communicate. They have to be able to hold and store data um and and and be able to gather that data without someone else filtering IT through an APP store that the bad guy is control, that the that the big over on guys control um you know .

the the where do .

you get cash bank should you?

That sounds like a stupid question, but there seems to be few a tms I don't think is my imagination infect is not sure yeah they don't want .

to use the emphasis on cash, right? If was freedom, I couldn't agree .

with you more and there's something kind of old school and cool about in anyway um .

but I used to remember my dad have five hundred .

dollar bills .

yeah why don't we have those anymore war on drugs really? Yeah that would be a great thing for the next press united states.

What does that mean? We're on drugs. So they just .

they stopped war on cash to to cut out illegal activity that was paid foregone cash. Well in the kindly is on the five hundred dollar bill. I think they should bring you back and put dollar drop on IT. Can you imagine the .

head exploded and be pretty wild?

You know, so much of this explosion of government, perpetual wars and perpetual government stupidity comes back to very unsound money. And when we went off the gold standard, when nixon did, how was IT done? Was IT a vote through congress? Was IT debated IT was an executive order. You mean you can go back on with executive .

border as well, where you on gold.

i'm very proud. IT is for millennia and a store of value. And i'd say a digital black chain currencies also interesting. It's hard.

Look, anything is a value if someone recognizes as a medium of exchange, right? right? Mean, there is a there is a tall inflation in the netherlands in like five hundred years ago, yes, but two lives for currency to the bulbs um so lots of things can become if if .

things currency ever created.

if things get really scary, emigration will be currency yes always has been yes.

I i've had that thought personally.

So in .

medicine, dogs have a lot of dogs too. So I feel like dogs will be more valuable at some point.

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C. In the other day, and I looked around the room, every other person had a kind of rudy or pink cheeks, alertness, bright eyes, full mental acuity and a cheerfulness you could almost smell. And I asked, why does everyone look so good? And part of the answer, of course, they like what we do for a living is really interesting.

We think it's important. But another reason everyone looks so good is because they have all had a great night sleep. I'm not making this up.

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So yeah but I mean for having six started the company, which took on that one but two multitrillion dollar companies because you know I was a dumb, crazy idea you know three half years ago. So that's that's i've been investing in this capability for people to communicate securely and freely. And I hope IT works.

What are the? And IT will never be a public company. We have taken no institutional money.

IT will be a private company not subject to the S. A, C. In all the other nonsense.

It's not even, it's not even american register company because I didn't want the U. S. Government to be shut IT down.

Yeah, it's interesting. Again, we haven't done had a conversation really about your personal story, which is one of the most amazing personal stories of anyone everyone but um among the many twice in terms and ironies of your life is that someone's patriotic as you was basically at one point forced to .

flee to a forest gn country where I didn't fully I went there for a job opportunity but i'd been a attacked unbelievably .

so I remember in jail. Remember.

every federal agency in the world was coming after us. And I paid paid about two and a half million dollars a month for two years straight in legal fees.

I paid the highest per capital fine in state department history, is the only federal agency that actually stuck us with something because we had no meaning to contest IT, because they, at that point, we were working for the state department doing diplomatic security, protecting americans, something we did more than one hundred thousand times with no state department or U. S. Official ever killed.

The injured on our watch. And sometimes the state park would be demanding, I need fifty more men here. I need thirty more men there. Go immediately.

But another party, state department, the licensing department of the director of defence rate controls, moving at the speed of a, at the speed of peacetime would be slow rolling on the licenses, the expert licenses for like body armour or helmets, right, or guns used by our people working for the state department. And yeah, i'm not going to send a guy naked to a war zone. So we'd send stuff to do that mission for the state department in iraq or afghan's and whatever.

And so yeah, that was what they had us over the barrel. So they find me forty two million dollars for that. Did you pay? I do. Yeah, here, clinton.

why didn't SHE like you?

I don't know.

Didn't like your vibe, I guess, but not that so much. SHE doesn't fly, coach. Um once again, where where do people watching get that?

So i've been very active in the media. But they can go to unp to that com slash tucker going .

to very active in the media. In other words.

if you're out there talking yeah i'm for lack of a Better spokesman, i'm kind of bit for now, but we're looking for more if you'd like to be um but yeah, no people going to order and they'll get IT um within a thirty six hours.

You how hard is IT to Operate?

It's very simple. Look, so it's it's based on the android kernel. So anybody any the apps built for android, almost ninety five percent of them work on this phone. But you look a little different because they are not blessing all the personal ads at you, right, for using the APP. So again, it's a way for people to be in the world digital, but not of the world, and not have all your stuff collected, stored and disseminated to all kinds of people that hate you.

Oh yeah. And then it's available, of course, to the U. S. Government.

which an another important feature, I think, think you appreciate on our messenger. We even have a dump feature. So if you're using unplug messenger and someone comes and says stuck or give me your phone, i'm here to inspect IT you say, sure, officer, and you unlock IT with a certain code when you head out to him, it's a brick. It's a paperwork because IT wipes it's an out of dump feature which wipes the messages or you can even dump the entire phone dump as in zero without hard factory reset unrecoverable.

F U, seriously. So you're traveling through a foregone airport, which is where this N R airports this happened. yeah. And you can yp erase the fun instantly. So one of the reasons that I A really passionately dislike uh, apple in google is because they'll take your communications and give me the government without telling you yes.

In fact, at the devise a bill just passed, they're not even allowed to tell you that your stuff has been accessed, this rental agency, whatever. So it's it's just a IT is a big brother expansion billis what that was. So in this I mean, luck or timing or I don't know anticipating where the problems is gonna started this journey three years ago.

We're now here. It's not it's not hypothetically more. These are available and we've just shipped one in five hundred .

thousand and there's a few civil suits too. Not that i'm speaking from experience, but no um the people who oppose you can wind up on your text messages and then it's it's a short trip from there to say in new york k times actly .

um in a text without a context as a pretext for trouble love .

that a text without a context as a pretext for trouble yeah luckily my case I wasn't really doing anything wrong the language but um .

all the Better to have a burn time and all those messages. So it's not looked at a year or five years later with some of that because it's right. And so in again, nothing is to is either on your device. If you send me a message, it's on this device or your device and we can set a burn time where it's gone unrecoverable .

time you can never come to you and say, as the owner and spokesman for unplug, we want the text messages for something.

We got nothing, man, we store nothing is stored on your device or this device and you can .

see where is apply, use eye message which and you .

can set a burn time on this where IT disappears and it's going to.

this is my gabby iphone if I, but if if I am texting on eyes message and we're storing .

all of IT yeah I got fifty .

nine text messages while we were talking this.

That's why you're so soto to respond in the text. You're diluted. Well.

it's also my birthday. So let's people text. But with the point is, and I are happening on authorized birthday message just but but that's a lot.

I mean, people conduct their old people for myself. I conduct my life through a text message. Example has all of that for all eternity, and they will happily give that to the government .

without question. Another compelled to turn IT over without even a warn or probable cause. So again.

if people are sick of that, so users of unplug are protective and .

invitation. If you send a regular texts, IT was gonna ass to a phone Carrier, right? We'll have that message. But if you send a message on, unplug messenger, yeah, god, you can set a burn time on IT and it's gone and unrecovered stored by us or anybody else that seems like freedom to me. I will always choose freedom a man and fight like crazy for us.

So let me just end this with um kind of an apology for interrupting you in the middle of one of the most interesting things you are. thanks. So I said named three places that americans are not paying attention to since you are that I want to via your privacy by saying where you are about this happen to know they like in place I can find on a map and i'm pretty good at geography. So I think you are the person to ask, what are three paid places that we're not paying attention to, that we ought to be in the, I interact you after the first one is was so interesting. And you said, mexico.

mexico fatal. The ccp very much promoting so ammo is a super socialist president there now yeah there's a even worse left his female about to take .

over and a liftest .

feemale um with active programs by .

the C C P to support the most .

leftest candidates there uh in mexico that's the problem um that it's become more more of an arcos ate with with cartels having very significant influence of not control locally originally throughout the throughout the country and that's literally our southern border and and in the ammo government um actively promoting um and CoOperating with that kind of ccp nonsense. Positive note, just A A right wing guy elected in panorama who says he's going to shut the dayan gap is the area that moves all kinds of people now. Um you you ask for three, I I might give you .

a couple more than three .

if you get um the active spend of ngos that the U S. Government funds, which ables mass migration into that amErica to walk north, to invade across our southern order, is massive and disgusting and illegal and wrong. I was just, I remember three month ago, I was contacted by ng o in hate asking if I get organized aircraft to fly from porter prince to managua daily.

I said, why on earth would you want to do that? This is welcome. Patience can fly. A nick, argue this a ray. I said, oh, I know why is to facilitate hatin s coming on nick aragua, and then walking north to facilitate illegal migration .

for the hair shortage?

I don't think so. no. And there is A. A massive network of those gos and some of those guys are making the co of these things are making a million dollars a year taking U. S.

Taxpayer money facilitating the manual entrance uh of illegal migrants in united states funded by the U. S taxpayers, it's disgusting in a republicans actually have the power of the purse, the stage to stop in the fact that they don't means we we have a new party problem. So we probably need a mila type solution of a complete change in parties to to fix this a completely.

But you do sort of one a sense there's no economic justification for this level. Millions of uneducated people from the poorest countries, the world coming to your country. There's no specially A I like there are no job to these people or just but .

just the fact that the democrats were actively seeking to registered them as voters and to make IT possible to vote, know exactly what they doing. They are trying to stack the deck.

But I mean, you've been around wars your whole life. Like you tell me if you've got on the mass movement of Young of military age males into a country, some of them with prison records, like what are you looking at here? Yeah like deserting you nervous at all.

Sure but I also know um. Can and father doesn't do very well against a ophite ticad capability yeah and and the fact is the people that actually did the fighting in the dying in the hard combat in the last twenty years, they don't agree to that kind of on sense because they've lay their lives and their brothers and their health on the line for amErica for a long time and they're not in IT quietly about that.

But I mean, so but there's already an effort in the congress to make illegal aliens citizens if they serve the U. S. military.

I'm not opposed to a longer term legionary type program if someone comes here and actually serves and IT with obviously very, very strict performance guidelines. Not don't hire a guide to be a truck driver in the in the army in kitchen season ship no but um i'm not so opposed to that.

But but all the other stuff they want to do around voting and drivers licenses and all that stuff, there's a lot of actions that the next administration can take to make IT very difficult for those illegals to remain here by the banking and d platforming them. What the left has been doing to people like us for the last twenty years to make that difficult. Okay, so that america, big problem.

In inDiana country, most people haven't heard about where jim Jones serve. Correy made the largest energy discovery in the in this hemisphere in the last fifty years so it's enormous and venezuela been um now declared red that seventy percent of guianas territory is theirs uh dusting off a hundred and thirty year old border dispute and I think you're going to see venezuelan ex or sees that um with largely importunity uh in the coming a months or year. Certainly debt if the if the democrat administration continues, they'll take a conservation consequences for IT.

And so you really seeing A A complete collapse, A A ratio of the monorail docker in this idea that what happens to the western hemisphere is america's business and not the business of russia in china um the collapse of credibility of france and of the united states in africa is now I really accelerating the jihad problem that was persistent in mali and burkini fossil in the gear and why these countries matter, huge gold, huge uranium or the minerals there and now shared sudan. Um the U. S.

Had two big bases in the air and heritage, pushed out, costs a billion plus easily bigger bases, drone bases that we're trying to do, C T. Support all across africa pushed out by a collapse of credibility um by the U. S. By the french and the russians have pushed in and the russians are using A A wagner capability, A A hybrid private military company type capability to enable the expansion of military could pick cap building those countries, while the same time a vacuous appetite for gold and other minerals, uranium of high value there. And so you're seeing to me it's it's A T it's a reversion to the norm of what you saw in the sixteen hundred.

And so you seeing an exact same thing as the dollar declines. Uh of course, gold becomes more important.

Yes, gold and uranium and actual Green energy, that's right. Which a so there's nothing really that new and warfare just different um maybe little bit of different tech that changes these things. You're done. But how nations interact with each other, I think you'll see a return to private tears and to a lot more private sector because our big bloated superstate federal government has proven well, at least now for the last thirty years it's not very good at no at putting the fires out of managing the conflict doesn't work um clearing the decks um and and putting putting a tourney on some of these things is necessary.

Our last question IT doesn't my civilizations in retreat in a lot of places in order 的 free movement of relatively open markets civilities of restraint you know just all this for the hallmark ers， hallMarks of an open, a society of, like a civilization. They all seem to be decline. Do you see that in her? Are you worried about IT?

yeah. I look civilizations eban flow um and I look for pockets of Normal y of however crazy things get people still figure out how to how to get on with IT in Carry on. And there's certainly pockets within europe where they still do that.

There's pockets um in parts of the midnight east, uh, there's even some pockets in south africa that I would consider islands of Normal sea um and in what amErica as well. Again, i'm come back to me I what a spectacular man who just took on his entire er political establishment said of wear out right so I I I still drawn. I recommend the book a lot.

It's called to day into cocker, and a friend gave me years ago, and it's it's a history of special Operations throughout history, all the way from Alexander the great in his men that climb soggy an rock and and to the present of a few picked men and women, very capable warriors that that flew in the face of unsurmountable able odds and made IT happen in change world history. So I think there's there's a lot of hope in that and big government is really dumb and quite plotting. And um I know I know folks that are worked in google and apple and they and they pull her hair out at how in a and stupid lot of those things are and so I view them probably as dumb as us. Wasn't afghanistan and an opponent that can be defeated with widely creative, very focused um and very my my date was told me persistence in termination and I tried to live by that and my I come back to um my favorite quote from churchill and he said that he was speaking before the the canadian parliament a year after the battle britain said he said a year ago here hitler said he would ring the neck of the british people like a chicken in six weeks and I stain before you a year later I say some chicken some neck.

Eric prince, thank you. Thanks tucker.

Thanks for .

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