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By August of twenty twenty one, carbo afghanistan looks a lot like, well, psychogenic nam works in April one thousand seventy five, chaotic, dangerous and humiliating to the united states. After twenty years in afghanistan, the bite administration had just pulled american troops out. The city immediately fell to the taliban.

The president gone on a private plane with millions of american dollars and ran away like carrot is, and thousands of afghan civilians were rushing to human cars I airport in a desperate attempt to flee. The countries were like the helicopter taking off the roof, the embassy in two thousand and seventy five. So U.

S. Service members were deploy to the scene to help keep the piece. But IT was an impossible task. Mobs of afghans running on the runway, trying to board, flies some clean to the landing year. You remember the picture in the middle of that scene, that total chaos created by the, by administration, a suicide bomber arrived Carrying twenty pounds of explosives.

IT made this way to a place called the ambition, ate the entrance to the airport and then detonated the device, and in so doing, murdered thirteen american service members, along with one hundred and seventy afghans, man, women and children. One of the americans murdered that day was a marine Lance corporal called knaus I. He was just twenty twenty years old.

He is now credit with saving the lives, at least three afghan families and help getting them out of that country fast four to twenty twenty four. And jovian is hoping, as he stands for reelection at the advantage one, they've completely forgotten what he did in afghanistan and the humiliating and deadly way he withdrew american forces from that country. But not everyone has forgotten.

In fact, those touched by the tragedy of that day in the proceeding twenty years will never forget. Now, if you watched to be iden state, the union address earlier this month, you heard a man in the audience yell out to biden, reminding him of the killing that took place at the ambigu at the airport in kabul. Here's that scene.

All americans deserve the freedom to be safe and amErica safer today. And when I took office, year before I took office, murder rates on up thirty percent, thirty percent. They went up. The biggest increase in history.

but the solus monster keeps talking. That would be joe biden, the souless monster. The man you heard screaming has a soul, and he has a reason for sadness and outrage.

He is called Steve nicki. He is the father of that murdered Lance corporal cream nicki, killed in the bombing at APP gate. So for saying that out loud, for trying to remind job what he did.

Stephen curry was arrested at the capital earlier this month, now joins us in. Just so you thank you very much for coming on. Thank you talker. So uh just to just start with a clip we displayed. Why did you yellow out evidence and your son's name at the president?

okay. So um yeah we we had an opportunity to um go to this state of the union this time we the two families were invited by mike Johnson. And so those families were picked by a hat。

So there's A A coalition of families which is six of us and we can get in later why we had to start a coalitions. So we all signed a contract and you know, are fighting for to get the information of the withdrawal out. But two, two, there were two tickets and we we drew, we do names for those in, and these are the ones that are going. And so there was a chance that the might address, he might address, and finally, say, the kids, his names, because the thing is, he's never, he has never recognized the kids his names. He's never accepted any kind of responsibility for the withdraw and .

and has never shared your son.

may never, never, not once, none of the kids. And so we were hoping that all right, well, these two family members, you know they are going to be able to go and and he might you know bring a afghanistan and um say their names. Now for me um I had never done any interviews.

Only interview that I really did was an interview I am with you at the very beginning and after his first state of the union. For whatever reason, I I was at work and I got ta call from some some Young man, hey, look, we're trying to fill in uh, uh, a spot in our in our new thing at two o'clock or whatever time was. Would you come on now I do interview.

Look, I need to have someone please and they get begging and was persistent is all we know. We want to ask you about you and state of the union. Now there's the first one that he had done after the withdraw. And I was like, why do you watch IT? You know I mean, I don't do interviews and somehow I try I just .

want to told clinic so a year over the next year after your son was, yes.

so isn't january probably of twenty two?

But you'd never met president biden or been to the White house?

no. So we met a man over when we did a dignify transferred. But that was anything but dignified. I mean, you know, he am. It's kind of the same.

Like if you give kids have four, okay, like if I was drunk and then I killed your kid in a drunk driving accident, and then I went to you and said, well, you know what? I know how you feel. I lost my son and this is how he was at dover. So he talked .

about himself.

He talked about histon. So even in dover, when we at first, you know, when we had met him in the dignified transfer, he said, hey, look, you know, I I, I understand which are going through. We lost our son bow as well.

Now in there I wasn't I so people had a chance to whether or not they wanted to, to meet with the president. And if some people didn't want to meet with them, they could go to another room. I wasn't going to a be boldly and go to another room.

But, you know, I turned my back to him. So when he walked in, I turned my back to him. My sorry.

it's sorry.

my daughter, it's to next to me is that we just turned our back to and then creams mom was talking him so I was listening to what he was saying and that you that what he had said like you know I understand your loss, know we lost this and I just you know infuriated her even more um but he was like this with everyone and then everything up in in since well on that point, I mean we we were used that whole thing was us being used.

I mean we were, you know, I wanted to wear suit when I went to this dignify transfer for my son and I know, if remember and like to seventy, those yellow school buses that had the like team on a tuck and roll, you know, you you go IT up, but there is no shocks. You can't put down the windows. Yeah, it's in dover, which is like the most humid places have been in your life.

They transferred us in these like buses, like all the families. They put us up in a motel six, had fecal matter on the walls, had cockroaches everywhere. Um all right now we all got into these buses and all sweaters. They drove us to dover, the place that they do this at all.

The message is really clear, like they don't care at all.

Yeah but at the time didn't I didn't realize that. You know at the time I think, well, you know i'm doing this for my country. You know I mean, I I felt like almost obligated that I had to do this.

Yes, you know and like here this is but like, oh, we're honoring us like a state side honoring when in retrospect, you know, IT was just trying to show like, oh, we're honoring these parents and that's the end of IT. Do you kind of understand and saying it's like the optics like here, look what we're doing. And IT IT was very this the first time we i'd seen all the other parents and we remind you this two days after that happened.

So the next day after this all happens, you don't have time to grieve. You have the military done. You you have to sign these papers.

We got to go over here to dover, delaware. And i'm like, what's in dover deliver? I have no idea what they're talking. In doing this, I have to google everything, have to research what a dignify transfer is. No, I I have no idea and they're telling, you know, you just lost your kid and now they are saying you have to go to deliver and and I said, IT set IT.

So when we go over there, it's already and and what I noticed the first thing that I noticed when I went there um from being like a boss or a business owner, I I was able to see a different perspective is that they had no they didn't really know what they were doing. They were reacting to how we were react and I found that to be shocking you know it's like, wow, what is going on here? Like there's no protocol. Um they're seeing how we would react if we would get physical, if we get violent, if we yell, you understand what i'm sane. Um there was that you know there was a lot of people, Young, I was yelling, I was yelling at the the general, you know and and I was upset.

what did you say to the general?

Uh so I I he was pretty much in the only one that I that I yelled at and I just said, you know, you should be planning this evacuation. You know, you should have taken time, you know, at the time I just remember him promoting his book and then some of the stuff that had happened with the his counterpart was .

you know at the beginning of .

the remember the name of the general yeah generali milli yeah yeah and I just met him last week and he remembered that he remembered that altercation that we had and um know I spotted him um in one of the other room and that over deliver let me you said .

clear up exactly and so you see many dover and you and two days before your son was killed and you say to him you should no after two days .

after so this all happened after right but two days .

before when when you first met him, your son has just been killed as yeah that's right that's right so you say to him, effectively this is your feel like you're in charge.

This didn't do a good job. What did he say he said, I had been planning for this now we did plan for IT you you know IT was a mistake. I know I don't know if he said a mistake, but he had said that um and I kept telling them, well, you know you don't care. I mean, you know, I mean you won't looking like you are planning for from what I seen from january til now um IT looked like you are doing everything else you know look like you're on a book tour and that looked like you are cohorts with, you know the chinese government yeah and you know he said, I think he said, i've lost forty seven men or sixty seven men, one of the two and then I said, I lost my son and so you confirm .

any made IT about himself just like your bike and i've suffered too.

is what he said. You know what I know that i've know more about like the military people. You know, I wouldn't say so with him. I would say, you know what i've noticed with people in the military, and I just realized in last month, is that they look at us like.

Sorry, so people that have served IT appears that they they treat us like they would want their folks straight if they had lost their lives. Don't do say and say. And now Rachel spect, you know, his anger, I think, was more along the lines of his guilt. I feel he really felt guilty, you know, when he didn't, if he's just mad, you know, he's he's in, in, in, in, when I told him a couple of years ago, because I had an immense respect for him, to me he was the guy, you know he was the face of our military, yes, and um more so than pretty much anywhere else. I mean, you know you you know who mark malley is, I mean his he's a dominating force at the you know prior to that even the Donald trumpet had him so and I think you know that rage was that was that here he found himself in the position that, you know this stuff happened and and I I feel like you felt some guilt honest with you at that time.

Seems like a promotion .

yeah but at the time I didn't I didn't I didn't think that IT. It's taken several years and me to understand the area and that that I believe what what he was feeling is that he was he was upset with how everything happened and he wanted to convey that look, I love you and i've lost people too, and I know what you're going to and you know and so that was that was that. Tucker says its best.

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Between um the time you spend andover receiving your sons remains staying in the motel sex the human faces on the war um between that and this stated union earlier this month had you had any contact with bide know the White house .

never we've never had any contact with the White house or biden and we have reached out or Michael and several people, several families have reached out bt to, you know, maybe have a round table to see what there what they are thinking was anything you know honor us or you know honor us, honor our children and yes um something and they just refuse. I don't know why they hate us so much to be honest with you. I have no idea. I mean because you .

are a living reminder of their failure.

But in amErica we're supposed you know address those failures. I mean, he had an opportunity that he could have really raised the country behind him. Yes, very easily. You, by assuming any kind of responsibility hell, you know, I know people that business owners that assume more responsibility for someone that gets heard on their job and then what he's done for for these people, people, they are held more accountable in drunk driving cases this and man, yeah, after three years, this guy, he just does not want to say anything about any of these kids.

So how much contacted you had with the families of the other service man killed the trouble .

their families um so yeah others uh well since we've started um trying to lobby to get answers, which was started last june yeah um the six families we talk a every week in on in the capacity that we do for getting these answers that do you .

think they have the same feelings that .

you do well I can't. I would take on some things yeah is regarded to Milly. I couldn't I couldn't.

What about the .

oh yeah one hundred percent? One hundred percent were were united on that and .

so you said at the outset that you wanted more information about what happened, right? The events that LED up to your son's death, right? What do you wish you knew? But don't.

okay. So we've made a lot of progress. So what happened was, when this all happened, do you know we didn't have the house? So any of the hearings, if you look at any of the the senate hearings that were there, they were all kind of bias like they all said. Although this was great, you know we did a good job.

Of course, we're going to IT wasn't until um uh mccrae y became speaker that we actually had an opportunity to get the answers that we needed. So last june um we got an opportunity from their alisa to do like a public. We went you know we went to washington in the premise was like, look, we don't know what's gonna happen but we're gna introduce you to mccarthy.

We're going to introduce this um Michael and we're going to get you to know because nobody nobody knew our our story. Nobody you know wasn't um really out there. Maybe IT wasn't the some degree and like maybe social media or something um because that's, Polly, the only outlet that the parents had like their facebook car or whatever.

But there is a good portion of americans that don't even pay attention to that. So um and i've been one of them on any of those that I could channel any anything. And um so when this opportunity came, know they're like, look, we don't know what's gonna, we don't know there's anything, but we're going to go down there and know and every family of the thirteen was was invited to this like here's what we're doing um IT said.

I was set up by Shawn rays from utah and um kind of connected us with these people and then that kind of from there went for the real isa. He was the one net you know had been champagne in everything at that point. And um so you know they they even had funding for like we're going to take the mom and the dad of each um each child, each service member, whoever wants to come and we're going to go on a washington and see if there's any any anybody that's interested in anything.

So we went down there, we met um these different offices. We told them our stories because nobody knew really our stories um what had happened to us and over and then really like the the stuff that we are being told. So they had given us a whole bunch of lies.

People are talking to the kids. People are talking. Everyone is coming back. And what the government is telling us is different from what these people that were actually there are saying.

And so we're like, well, there are like all, there was no gunfire. Well, one of the marines actually killed one of his aggressors. You know, he like, shot him and kill them, or, I don't know, he kill them.

So to say that there was no gunfire is absurd. Now, my son, before I sent him or before he went to afghanistan, I bought a ma when I was a kid. When we were kids, there was that buck one ten knife that the do the duke boys with the, with the balls on IT.

So I bought my son one of those, but a switch blade, and I said, you know, this is good for fast. Uh, you know, if you need a knife, you know, you can. It's a switch.

bye. I bought him this, and he Carried IT on him. I have pictures of him in afghanistan with IT. Well, when the when the cao, which is the casually assisted coordinating the officer. So every time that something happens in the military to your loved ones, you get assign to cake o and he's basically leason between the military and your family. I mean, everything from a to z, you know, he's like your best friend.

And so when he had come that night to my house I had said to him, hate look you know nothing else nothing how I wanted um except that knife I told me I gave my kid this snipe and I want that I want that back and you know he he didn't I just met them like two minutes ago and um is you know he listened to me well on september seventeen is when they brought my son his body back and uh so we you know was a very nice another kind of dignified transfer from ontario airport to where we live in norco. He's buried like, clearly, listen, a mile from my house and that whole way know the streets are lying, american flags and people in everything. And then when we get to the cemetery, he pulls me in the back, romney, and he pulls out that night. You know, in the case, and i'm like, just happy for me, I was like, I put so much value in that knife, you know, like for some reason I felt like if I had that knife, I would, I would, I would limit ted some of my pain that had, you know that there's something that we that we shared and I give IT to him in the when I when he hand me the knife I looked at there was a hole right in the front and the the same case that we had when we were kids, you know, it's a little case.

We have a little button on IT.

Yeah and there's a whole and i'm looking at ded, i'm excited and I told a mobi charlies, well, there's a whole from one of the babies, you know, because I D little babies, i'm looking at IT and I pull a knife out and the knife was like had exploded inside the sheet. So IT was hard to get IT out of the sheath. You know, IT was hard that and when I pulled IT out, my gunny was like, he's a gunning.

I think he's got promoted, so don't be upset with me. But when I pulled IT out, he's like, that's not a bb hole, that's a bohle. And so when I when I took at home, I god, one of my five, five, six bullets and I got my dial calipers and I started measuring the depth of the hall, and then put that depth in relation to the bottel of the bullet in the measured the diameter R.

I got real scientific. And you could just pull the bullet right out of the five, five, six casing and put IT fits perfect in there. IT was a five.

It's a five, five, six. And you know, that's that's proof if it's on the front of this thing. IT came from across IT didn't come from behind, is not friendly fire because he didn't put in this back. IT was right on this front they also they gave you pictures of like where your kid is now every year old maps so when they gave view the um the uh the briefing, when they first brief the families, they had maps and said, okay, your kid is here x Marks the spot and they need to ask more who's this guy and there will we can tell you but then after that they told the public then these, then now oversetting everybody is out there.

But the maps that they gave us were all different like there's three of them, there's three, there's three different ones, but they can say, and the other families kids are in different locations in those three different math. But my sons always on that war, like my son's always in every map right across from the bomber, like right across. There's three kids on that wall and he was one of them.

So there is no, he wasn't turned around. There is no way that could have been friendly fire. The understand i'm same. And that was like, one of the things is like, well, here i've got proof know i've got proof that my kid was you're going to tell us that you know they won't shot that everybody can hear IT on the videos, but in here's physical proof that I have and it's not in A K round. You know it's not a it's not a naked size hole.

It's it's a perfect like literally that bullet was probably stuck in there and someone had like pulled IT out like that. That's how was and um so fast forward. And when we met um they're licence in them in june and I brought that up and and showed that and these were some of the things that that they used to get the ball rolling to get interest in IT.

So you know we've sense june we've been going to congress for no other reason but to law b before our kids to give information that these congressmen don't have so they can bring in different people and do hearings and get the information that we need. And we made like enormous traction. I mean, just the answers that we've gotten um with the hearings that they've had have been good that we have him that didn't know we didn't have before.

But as a testament to what a failure this was, and we've pretty much gone in all avenues, we have exhausted the military, I believe, at this point. That you will know there, the part that they were in charge of was a retrograde de. So there's two parts to IT.

There was a retrograde and then the evacuation and the retrograde went off unhitched. You know no problem. The problem was, was that when you hear people say what you should have taken the people out before you take out the military, they should have done the neo before they did the retrograde.

And and that's where the point comes, is that the state department in the administration was in charge of the neo and the retrograde. And the only reason why they did the neo now they did the neo. The neo was implemented by, uh, ross Wilson.

He is that another guy? He's he's the guy, you know, after all these nine months of going back and or is not you know, I don't see is the generals I don't see is the military is this guy? He's a guy that initiated the the neo and he did on August fourteen th.

Who is rush Wilson? And if you could just explain what a neo is.

I I just I am not he's the ambassador so he was the ambassador for afghanistan. That's about all I know about him. We we just kind of stumbled onto him a couple weeks ago in that hearing that the two generals had um a music is a non combat evacuation and those are you know planned by the state department so every embassy has a neo um the problem that they did is I didn't implement the neo soon enough so he implemented IT on August fourteenth because the taliban was he could see the taliban coming so he sees them and is ohh i'm an implement the neo and then on the fifteen they come in and they take the embassy I on remember remember those pictures where they're over there and that was all because the day before and even even the generals were kind like, well and I said, no, you you guys did the neo because you saw the taliban and right there wasn't, you know, for any other reason that they were he was scared and that's why he did IT.

And if he had been done months earlier, I mean, actually the whole thing should have been done at the beginning per the doha agreement. I mean, all the liberals say, oh, don't forget the doha agreement is so frustrating. And i'm glad this last time we went to and we heard these same hearings with the the two generals, you know, the machinery and and mili finally mix, because every time that guys like alone forget, you know, we appreciate the service in the sacrifice and and not point, and I don't forget who initiated the doha agreement.

They always have to do that. Little jb, and i'm here to tell you, I don't think anyone knows anything about afghanistan Better than any of these parents. You're right.

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say really planned. Um I you know we we got the opportunity that there were other tickets other other members had given IT to us. And I wouldn't you know i'm sure I said this of people yeah but have to say up to give this guide is to say A Y thing.

But when you're there in the greatest country of the world with the most powerful people, I was scared like, I was scared, you know, am I going to get killed and I going to commit suicide? The world, because of this, you know, who knows? right? And so, no, at that time I was just in serious prayer, and I was like, praying to the lord, you know, humble me, soften my heart, that you will be done, you know.

And to be honest with you, when I stood up, when I just heard him say something about kids, at some point he was talking about kids, and then he said something about being safe. And I just stood up and I know I didn't know, even like the holy spirit, like got to me and stood up. And I don't know if you were had anything like that happened, but like the effects of that had had affecting me for weeks afterwards.

You know like what what really happened there and when I stood up and I said the first thing I said, I kind of realized I had said, IT and I paused. I was like, oh, oh, what did I do, you know? And then I said, you know, united states marines and I said, his name and I said, you know, second battle, an first marines.

But I don't even remember saying any of that. Like, I don't ever remember saying any of that. You know, I just kind of came out.

And if I get back up to why I had went earlier, I was talking about that first state of the union. I got this reporter, no, I felt bad for, and I wanted to help. And I said, right, well, look, what i'll do is my lunch break.

I got now our lunch break. On my lunch break, i'm going to watch a state of the union so that i'll build the answer appropriately for your interview that that you want me to do. He's alright. So I watched his interview, or I watched a state of the union the first one.

And that, like fifty six minutes, he he brings up afghanistan and he did the exact same thing that he always does he says, okay, you we're never to you know the the heroes that we name to, say thirteen and then one lady in the audience, she's like thirteen of them I think he was Bobby or bob or yes. And SHE said something now, and I was, I got goose mms. But he then did the same thing.

He went right in the bow. He went right into a sun, and he said, the existent al threat to the military is the burning of this fuel in pits. Because that I think how bow got his cancer.

And I was just like crying. I was so devastated. Like once I I was for more than the fact, like when this happens, like, like I said, like all these cockroaches come out of the woodworks. Like every media, you know they want, you know people i'm selling this or we love you in this. I didn't get involved in any of IT, but I had seen that this was happening all over yes, with a lot of people and um so so a part of me was upset that I had watched this alright so i'm devastated.

I'm devastated like like this what this president has just done and how he had turned IT again, I me came to say, the kids is name if he would have said thirteen names at that day of the union we would even be here right now alright but he didn't and so I call this, I call this um I call this reporter guy back to tell him and I like I watching i'm devastated well, when I call him back is like, oh hey, mister a cool yeah we're not going to do the interview because we got mark smiths to do IT and I was just like, wow like in my heart you know here I watch I didn't want to do IT. I did IT because I wanted to help because he said we have to fill in a slot um and none of the other parents can do IT then I agree to IT I watch this. I get affected by IT the only only saving Grace I have is like i'll get be able event something in this interview yes and then the guys like no, we get to do because we have one of the other parents and I was like cry harder and and so i've had to deal with that for three years with you know my god with my lord um prayed you know like, hey lord, you know.

Humble me from this, soften my heart from me, you know, like whatever. So when the opportunity came to go to the state of the union, i'll be honest with you. There is no way I was gna leave that state union without my kid's name being said, you know, an, I feel like and but at first I thought that they would say something.

So I felt like I was the lord telling me, like, here know your reward for being patient, faithful for three years. I'm i'm going to blessed with this. You want to say what i'm saying and then IT didn't happen.

You know, IT is like, IT didn't happen. And I was I was able to see my other, the other parents. I was, I found them in the crowds, you know, where they were at, and just the way that they were looking, the despair and the the sadness that they had at that state of the union.

Everyone has slumped over, just kind of devastated, you know. And another thing I was like concern, like, like the state, you would think that the speaker of the house would have the best seats, right? Like, all right.

Well, these two families are getting the speaker of the house. And I was, I remember praying a lord like, lord, you know, why don't I have those seats? You know, why don't I have the best seats? I'm thinking, I don't know that they are.

And then mccall gives up one of his seats, you know, and he's ahead of the chairman, right? So whoever got that, cm, lord, why do I get sea, you know? And that's all right.

Thank you for the seat that you give. I don't even know where my seats are, but i'm just assuming, you know, that's all people. They do know we do this. We do our own assumptions as IT turns out the seats I got, we're like right directly like I was watching the president like, you know, right in front of them, like right where he comes out of that tunnel I was sitting in right above there.

So the lord had given me like the best seats in the whole world, like for the last two weeks on, like a lord you can give you, I don't know, you know, the seats are, but i'm assuming that the worst and and a lot of this has happened me in in the course of of of this. By being patient, I feel like the lord is blessed me and these these are the little blessings that I need. I don't need any praise. I I don't want to put anything on facebook and read those common oh my god bless you. You're so awesome and um none of that .

so what happened after so you call that your son's name and said amy gate and then what happened?

Yes so then um those there is his two Young men and they came kind of grab me and um escorted me. Uh who are they? So I guess they were the capital police but they were in like suits.

So they weren't they weren't dressed in police uniforms or anything like that. And you know, they escorted me into the hallway. And then at that time, the guy that was telling you that spent with us from the beginning, marland, he came, he ran, he was sitting at the other side.

He ran to me and I wasn't scared until I seen his face. Um then I was like when I seen him turned a corner like around gallery six and I saw his expression. Then I was nervous. You know I was like, oh, you know I would travel and um yeah so they freed me.

Uh, he tried to say he released to me, you know, please like though you know you're and I had my bible with me, but I was locked in one of the things and I had to give you a ticket and give them them me morning, get my bible, get my bible. I want to grab my ticket out of my pocket to going to get my bike. But he does he does not wants to touch me because i'm detained .

being held by the.

oh yeah, they had me back here and they have you not yet they, you know, yeah, they cough me. They cough me right there in the hallway and they knew I was a goal to started dead too because he had told him he's, oh, a goal to start, dad, you know. And there was a reporter who actually, he said that after he said that, he said, so why did you do what he did? And marlin was, sul, please, please.

Mam, you know, eagle, start dad, and told her whatever. So they had known. At first I thought they didn't know.

I thought that they, I was just know a guy that talks out, but they knew. And so then they took me down the basement. They didn't. I was pretty good, yeah, very nice yeah.

When you handcuff, as they let do the basement.

yeah, yeah, they hang up me so I knew I was going to to jail because they hang cut me and then then they took me downstairs. They did an extensive um search and then they had there uh some new kids that had never done searches, so they used me to to practice their searches. So I got searched by like .

three different people. Did anyone explain why you were being handcuff and arrested and search for .

saying your son's name? No, no, no. That wasn't until I got back to the capital police but um at the capital police they asked, uh, you know they they turned in all my stuff. They take IT and the the one of the boys that was just in his his his suit was asking me questions like, you know my my name and everything and then afterward, secret service and another guy from capital, please come in and then they let me my Manda rights and asked me if I wanted to talk to him and and let me know that look, you know you'll probable out of here in an hour um fifty dollars and you know do you want to talk to and I said, yeah I don't talk to you.

What do they ask you so he asked me so the one gentlemen that wasn't that worked for capable, please asked me why I had done what I did and so i'm crying, you know i'm telling them and both of these kids um were service members x service members I think he was a soldier and the secret service guy, I think he was in the air force and so I telling them, know my story, you know, like this guys never said my kid's name. I lost my kid in afghanistan. Ha, you are really emotional, you know?

With that capital policemen, he kept every five minutes would say, cream, we just look at me, see my kids name and you would tell me, i'm never forget. You know, like every five minutes you would just say this to me and to come for you yeah, good man. Yeah, I was a great man.

And you know, as we, hey, have you gotten any help? Like, no, I don't need any help up. This is right now in on filling this way. And then, 嗯， he told me that he had told me that, well, we, you know, if you say something in them, we tell you to be quiet. Then you don't let me arrest you again, let me rescue and I said, well, nobody ever told me to be quiet, you know, I never, I never was afforded that opportunity.

And then he left and then they asked me more questions the other kid when the suit, you know, just basic questions um sex, wait and suffer CT this and then he came back and he said that again and then he said, well, there's two ways like we can ask you and then ask you again in the rescue or we can just arrest you and he said, you don't want to be that because that's a feline so I felt like he was kind of thrown me a bone. You know, like and I kind of a picked up on that no, I you I I appreciate that. Yeah I guess um they did tell me when did .

they let you go.

So what happened was was that you know, as we're talking and he's teleme the stuff, he says the congressman is outside so we I was invited by congressman brian mass, and bryan mass mailed me on a jail. What was there? And he's all the congressman right outside the door. And I felt like. Like a million dollars because I knew like all right of all right now you know I i've got the congress with you know to help me um and so yeah he he got me out and walked me and had made you know had made him we've met him several times he there's only unless there's four congressman that I call the four horseman and their military men so they understand its isa mills mass and vote and then they're all LED by um um the the chairman Michael mca so he he's he's the chair of the house of reign affairs and he's the one that able to bring these hearings and then these guys are just, you know, they are the ones that we're telling our stories too and they're helping do whatever they do in washington to get get the message out so the fact that he was there mental lot to me like like.

All right you know i'm matter so because IT to be honest with you from what I see on TV or yeah here we love you but the text they will be on my own this is my, i'm thinking, you know, like I be all by myself you, this is great for tonight, but come to twenty eight what I ve got ta go to court, i'm going to be by myself but the fact that he was there and you know he's a man of god and we played before. I don't if we played before, but we talked about like what we're talking about in our in our the the spiritual you know row that that I ve taken with my son and IT was I was just really blessed that he was there and he got me out and then when I got out um you know I saw walls all of them. We're not going to let anything happen.

You you know we're going to stand by and even they telling me this, I still felt like a week from that. What do you love itself? You know I never really had any you know true belief like a these guys are gonna be here to the end but they were I mean, every couple days they would they would do what they have to do and and from what I understand um they found out that because the gavel wasn't he that I didn't I didn't abstract congress so the fact that and mike Johnson helped that so can cover mike Johnson um walls and um there alisa into some extent mass and mills they you know help to get this out like, hey, he didn't he didn't obstruct anything because the gavel wasn't hit.

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What's your life been like .

at home since you found out yeah so yeah that my personal life has been very bad? It's Better now. But you know at the beginning when this first happened was was just devastating ing.

I didn't really have a home where I could recoup ate from this, you know, my son and, you know, creams. Real best friend was his little brother Steven. And he was like fifteen when this happened.

And h, so I just said, focus on focusing on him like, you know, he's and he's so strong and so brave you know he's he was fifteen when his brother was killed fifteen and they are best friends and um man he's a rock you know you know koreas a brazilian to get champion. Stephen is one. Uh they they wanted to be an ema and in fighting.

So they're not they're not they're not weak in that aspect but you know they're very compassionate to the underdog or very quiet. Um you know korea was a little guy growing up so he sometimes to be bullied and that was one of my concern when he started to learn how to fight. You know I was like, you know, I don't even want to hear that you're bullying anyone.

You're doing anything this and and luckily that never happened, you know um he was always compassionate to the underdog and and the people that couldn't speak for themselves so you know our home life was just IT was just chaotic for the first year and but but I think maybe the lord had that happen to keep me. Ruling myself and i'm saying, like all that probably happened just so I wouldn't room whatever you know, I just I just went my room in in just focused on the little things, you know my son and whatever I could. And because there's there's a lot of how we want to do this for your kid and we want this interview and in this and that and for me to mitigate, like how could how could these parents not like feel some sort of like pride or something after all this, right?

And I would remember talking my kids, look, you know, be careful how you deal with this because IT won't always be there and then you're gonna resent the fact that it's not there. That and don't forget, there's tens of thousands of service members who died that don't have you know shooter y boards at their front door step with a not knock I mean there is was insane stuff at your front door cards. We love you money um checking other son and in every check every cash ever got.

I still have IT so I never spent any of that night and every card that we got, I not probably every one of them because I was just too much, but I wrote, you know, back to them. My remember telling my kids, take you to watch out how you how you process is somewhat you do with IT because um it's gonna ruin you in your faith um another thing um that the two other things today is our anniversary where my sons and I got that test. We got that test.

March twenty six, twenty seventeen and we ve got baptized together in the same pool and in the year. So the other thing is, is that like when you lose someone, like when I lost my mom, I lost my dad within a week, if they died on a thursday, next thursday is barrier. And and that was IT.

I mean, you start trying to put your life together. And this situation didn't really happen. I mean, he was like five weeks they brought back his body and.

You know, things come up, certain little things would come up like, I know that they had the and when these things come up, you kind of focus towards that so you express your feelings and everything for this one event, right? And you're like, okay, well, this events coming up and i'm A i'm focusing on that. And one of the events we had in november was the um the memorial at camp penalty.

Now since he was he live we live like forty five minutes camp pointon. He came home every weekend. So the only time I never seen him was when he actually deployed, you know, and he'd bring his marine friends home with him.

And I felt bad because some of them lived in I there was no way they can see their family. So if we could give him a weekend where they felt at home, then I was all for that. You know that was kind of like around COVID.

So we're cooking breakfast and couldn't really go to church. And I had the uh, sometimes i'd have the T V on, uh, but. Our preacher, our pastor, and they d play games and they do whatever, you know, my son would take him on hikes, and they were during on fridays, you know what?

Whatever they, however, they had their own mind, you know, they're able to do IT at our house and I was I was blessed sed that that we could provide that for them and so we had this memorial for the marines right and um you know I never did any interviews or anything. I don't want to be I didn't that wasn't right for me and um so I focused on my heart toward s this memorial, which was in november and surpassed all my feelings in everything. And well, i'm just gonna focus on on that part.

And we went to the memorial and IT was beautiful. They had the missing man formation with the helicopters that went over the the mountain where he would hike over their in campaign in and and then I think there was either on a thursday or friday and then on that sunday. I just, I felt like a lot of remorse.

I felt like great fino. And for me, about my religion, which is Christian, is, you know, for me that I felt like for me to display grief is me saying I don't believe in the lord, you know, is that weird? I don't know.

And so i'd never really just had any grief. I'd never had any sorrow except for that day. I remember, I wish, in my master bedroom, IT was the sunday, and there was nothing else to look, look forward to.

There was no other event that was the last event. And I remember just like. Feeling, you know, immense grief, sorrow. And I was like, lord, why? I'm looking at the mountains that he would put weight in this rock second hike.

And I was like, lord, you know, why do I have this feeling? You know, why do I have this? why? Why am I feeling this way? And then he said, the whole spirit for the lord told me a look at the day that you went to harvest festival.

So harvest festival so we gave our lives of jesus Christ together. Are in this place in in in Angel stadium um by a fellow name, greg Lorry, who does the same thing that um. Forgot his name, but evAngelical in the seventies, little gram bilham would do the same thing. So they go to the stadiums, they'd preach the gospel and you'd had an opportunity to give your life the jesus Christ there. And a lot of people did this in umbilical grams um things he's doing the same thing he's been doing IT for like twenty years.

So if I could just go back in like twenty and fifteen, I realized that my kids didn't have the same faith like like I did you know that guy said you need to be crucian and and once in a while would say, but I didn't lead and I didn't tell them about. So my kids were already older, so I didn't have, I didn't have an opportunity. And doctor native, when they were Younger.

These are teenage boys, and I was praying, you know, lord, please, I failed, you know, give me an opportunity. And he did, you know, cream started asking about a church. And like twenty fifteen, we started going, and I knew that I could tell them, hey, you ve got to do this.

But they, I had to change, you know, I had to make an a concerted effort to make a change and be sincere with the faith so that they would follow, because I can just tell them something, you know, I have to lead by example. And so that transformation happened. IT took a year or something in the the pastor was like, hey you know um there you know greg, lorries having this thing down there and we we encourage everyone to o so i'm thinking, lord, this is our opportunity.

Thank you you know and there that we're going to church every weekend, meaning my sons every sunday. And we're working through i'm working through the different things and and being real with them, I know how do you deal with ties, right? Like at first I was like, given a many money, you know, and my pastor had said something that time is all like, will do you guys like in this week later he is.

So do you guys like air conditioning? And that just, I realized, like, my ties are for the air conditioning. And IT made me.

So I made a point to, I talked bad about the ties before. I make a point to show my kids that, look, I i've changed, I realized, and we're going to start giving time. So the boys are given their money so that they would know to give ties. So every sunday, we would be given our ties. And that's just an example of how we work through some of the obstacles in our faith, you know and and we're real about IT, you know we weren't just saying that we were acting upon IT.

And um so we went to greg lories and we all gave our life's of jesus Christ, you know, Stephen sher, Stephen a korean, me shine, we all gave our lives of jesus and and I felt blessed you know I was like, wow, like this doesn't happen, you know I mean, who gets this opportunity? I failed and then but i'd played for a solid year. You know, please, lord, please, and just such a blessing. And then from that blessing, you know, we were, we always went to church.

You know, IT was became part of our background and me telling and preaching to the boys about the gospel as well as our our pastor and then fast forward to that time when I was right after the um right after the camp alton memorial, the lord and i'm looking out in the backyard and i'm feeling grief and i'm just feeling horrible you know the first time and like eight months or whatever and I like, why do I feel this way you know, I you know and the lord said a Steve, look at when you went to harvest. This was called and we only went on fridays because sunday would be, people won't go to church, so the'd go saturday's thing, but friday would be after work. So I just knew, like, hey, we went to the first time, when was on friday? And then every other time went on fridays.

So I knew that I was on a friday. And I google, do you know when was, when was the harvest festive? And he was August twenty six of twenty seventeen, which is five years to the day.

And like like a goose bumps and like all my grief went away and just let me know that the lord had planned this for me and and that was verification. You know that on August twenty six, twenty sixteen, we gave our lives of jesus, Chris, and on obvious twenty six, twenty twenty one he took my son. And that was that pretty powerful. I was to let me know, you know, and that was just for me like we had done some events where, you know, they had honor and great Lorry, had done that year, had done his harvest festival, honored my son, and the only had one that year was october third or fifth because of code and they had done a big page thing and they honor my son and um and he didn't know this oh wise he would have done all over, you know everyone I would have been an all over the, uh, I would assume but that was just for me, that was just for me. You know that the lord told me that like that let me know that you just got to show up, you just got to show up panos care, everything else.

Appreciate you taking all this time. Thanks this. I know it's hard, but I .

appreciate you. Thank you. Thank you.

Steve.

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