Tulsi Gabbard
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So try to think back to two thousand thirteen. Wasn't that long ago we had air traveling, electricity and air conditioning was part of the modern era, two thousand and thirteen tosi. Gabbard, who was an early thirties, had just been elected from hawaii.

SHE was a member of congress for summer, a democrat and not just a democrat. SHE was the single most famous freshman that year, and he was faded by her party. The democratic ty made her vice chair of the dnc as a freshman that year, and shoes on the cover of magazine choose the future of the democratic party.

There was two thousand thirteen, fast forward eleven years to the beginning of two thousand twenty four. That very same person was a headliner at sea pack, the conservative political action community. And already, did you speak there? He was arguing the most popular person who spoke there this year, even years later, here's part of .

what he said. Our democracy is under attack. The perpetrators of this attack are those who, in the name of saving our democracy, are destroying IT. I don't use these words lightly. Every one of us who loves this country and who cherishes peace and freedom should be very alarmed by those who, driven by their insatiable hunger for power, are actively undermining all that we stand for. And almost every single day, if you're paying attention to the news and the headlines, there is some new assault and some new attack. Now it's the democrats in the swan creatures in washington who are doing all that they possibly can to keep us, the american people, from a very simple thing, having the free to choose who we want to be our next president.

And IT is clear, through their actions, they have no respect for us and they have no respect for our fundamental rights as citizens of this democratic republic. They are so terrified that we, the people, may make what they think is the wrong choice, that in the name of protecting democracy and saving us from ourselves, they're actually destroying our democracy and taking away our freedom.

Wow, you can see why he is the most popular speaker at see back this year, but again, eleven years from vice chair of the dnc to headlining sea pack. Some people of us were, were a second. That's hopefully fast.

This must be an up. You must be a secret left year C. I. agent. Well, course we can't know. But if SHE was sh'd probably be getting something out of IT, SHE would be really rich.

But no, telsey gabbert is probably the least rich famous person in the united SHE is not cashed in, just the opposite. She's actually really suffered for her change of heart. So what was the process that LED her from freshman in congress eleven years ago to headline or at sea pack this year? It's a very interesting story she's written in in a book.

There's just command for the love of country, leave the democratic party behind. And she's joining us today to explain what exactly happened in her life. seek.

Thank, thank so much. Congrats on the book. And I you have to see the first thing jump ed up.

Tosi is one of the most rock solid honoring org people i've ever met, says joe rogan. And um I couldn't test that. That is true. I feel the same way. Thank you.

Uh, so how? But I can also see why people like, what is this yeah tosi gaard from hawaii, probably the most reliably democratic liberal state argument there may be, but subjective, but pretty close, if not the most. And now this like .

what happened? You know, a lot has happened in that eleven years because you're talking i'm just thinking through, like, gosh has IT only been has IT only been ten, eleven years. But a IT to me that just shows how insane today's democratic party has become.

Yes, really, truly. You know, I joined the democratic party a in two thousand. two. I was twenty one years old when I ran for the statehouse in hawaii.

As you know, I come from, you know, my parents are very independent minded people. They raised all of us, five kids, to be critical thinkers and independent minded. Make make your own decision, but do research and figure out why you are coming to this conclusion oner why you are coming to this decision.

And so when I had decided to run for office and he wai, um there wasn't just like, well, of course, i'm going to be a part of this party or that party because, you know, somebody told me to her because I was like a family generation thing none of that was there and so I really started to look at, um you know, how is history in politics? Why was await such a strong democratic state as IT still is? Now IT is a little bit less so.

But uh, at that time, what I saw was a party that are welcomed free thinkers. IT was truly a big tech party, even in their own words. Um IT was a party that stood up for civil liberties is a party that stood up for freedom of speech.

was willing to fight .

for IT that I was a party that in hawaii's history fought for working people, thought for average everyday americans against the the corporate industrial complex, which in await was the big four plantation owners back in the day. And so IT was because of those reasons. And looking at leaders like jfk, s for people want .

for with the history of state, which is actually very interesting, and lead different from the history of any other of the forty states, IT was almost like a feudal system.

Now in that is that fair? IT IT was and going back up, and this is where there was a big shift. And people in the political world ask all the time is like, why? Why did he wai become such a strong democrats state? Uh, IT was because there were four major land owners that came in and essentially took the land uh from the local people uh, through the queen and jail and decided, okay, well, here's what we're going to do.

We're going to start growing sugar king. We're going to start growing pineapples and they essentially installed themselves as the government of what was then the territory of and uh, local people really didn't have a whole lot to say in IT. But through that process, there were immigrants coming from japan and from the Philippines, from portugal, from places all over the world seeking opportunity, getting work via and work contracts to go and work in the fields.

And these massive plantation owners essentially treat them like crap, sob, human living conditions of dismal pay and and essentially what what we would call a abuse in, in, in this day and age. But they got away with IT because they the people had no voice uh, when one group started to rise up and say, hey, we got a stick together and demand Better living conditions and Better pay let's IT was the Philippines s who did IT and they said, okay, we're fine. We're just gonna a have the japanese workers come in and take over your fields and leave you with nothing.

And so pitting one group against the other. So in hawaii was uh IT was the L W U. Union primarily that came in and actually started organize workers. And there was a uh, couple of democrat political leaders who had failed uh, at the polls previously because they didn't have the votes. They came in and said, hey, look, we're gonna fight for you and they did.

And that was when who what he shifted from republican to democrat control because the democrat party at that time was the party of the people, didn't matter where you from, didn't matter your background how much money you made, or didn't made your education anything else. They were the party of the people, uh, battling against the, the, the elite. And so so I this the reason why this story is important is because you look at that legacy is in my home state of hawaii.

Then you look at what's happening in our politics today. We're unfortunately the democrat party. And those in charge of IT are now the party of the elite who are way out of touch with the experience of everyday working people across this country. Uh and and IT IT is unfortunate um IT is unfortunate that that party has gotten so far away from its roots a its roots of being a party that celebrated freedom its roots of being a party that fought for for civil liberties to one now where with the biden haris administration and the democratically across washington are intentionally politicizing and weapon zing the tools of our own government and their friends and big tech on social media and their friends in the mainstream media to take away our freedoms, to take away our right to free speech, to violate our privacy and our civil liberties they have become the party of war uh in in every respect uh unfortunately the democrat party has become a party that is is undermining the very fabric of our country, of our freedom of our constitution and the rule of law 啊。 Which is while ultimately I I love the democratic party and why is why I am sounding the alarm bells as we had into this very critical election year, about really what it's stake.

The reason that I know you're sincere is because you left the democratic party exact the moment that is slippery, his positions, the party of the rich. And there are so many rewards that you can receive if you sign up. So I I know million people who have moved in the other direction, you know joe scarboro or steward Stevens or Steve matter, all the guys link project Crystal and they've been rewarded for IT a lock is there's a lot of money to pass around if you do that. And would you left in exactly the moment when you could have gotten kind of rich by staying and reading the talking points?

Yeah, even I first got elected in twenty twelve. IT was, IT was IT was a race that that I was not supposed to win. If you listen to anybody who know anything about politics, and I I won that election, the zero support from any you know local or national democratic party, individuals of the party as a whole IT IT was, imagine this uh, the people's voices were heard through their votes and they were second tired of of the paid to play corrupt politics and, uh, wanted a new direction in a fresh direction of leadership. And so was, I was a hard thought, action, but I I had no idea what was in store when I actually went to washington.

So what did you, tice, I mean, first of the very first way is so that is IT is uh and you .

would think in the age of technology that distance wouldn't matter so much but that kind of does some um but surely after my primary election I got a call from Nancy policy saying, hey, do you want to uh during prime time with the democratic convention coming up and I was like, a yes, how old are you I was thirty .

one and I said I .

would like to speak about veterans um I was serving the whole a national guard at the time. I'm still serving the U. S.

Army reserve now, but to me, hey, here's an opportunity to speak to millions of people across the country about the people who are nearest and dearest to my heart, my brother's and sisters. And so the whole thing was, I was quite surreal because I didn't I didn't seek IT out. I didn't know.

I didn't know how that machine worked up, but I found myself getting these phone calls a from people within the democratic party, like, hey, go and speak at this like premier event that like most people don't get invitations to. And a couple of weeks after I was in office, I got a closing, hey, what would you say if you were asked to service as visher of the dnc? And I was just literally, my response was like, what is if I should have the dnc do? I don't know nothing about this.

What what do you really want for me? What are you asking of me? Ultimately said yes, because this is an opportunity to be in a position to make some positive change uh but these kinds of things kept on happening uh, over over the, yeah this kind of my first year first couple years in office but and then you'll appreciate this one of the major turning points uh, that started to slow down the the fan fair and and like the the headlines of like I remember there was one at the democratic convention.

I don't know if I was see in N R M M some something was like H I wonder who's gona play telsey gabbard in a movie like all this? Something like this is so weird. But that summer of twenty thirteen, my first year in congress, um.

As you know, one of the main reasons that I ran for congress was because of the experiences that i'd had on both of my middle east deployments, where I experienced the cost of war, first time serving in a medical unit. And I wanted to be in a position where I could help influence and impact those foreign policy decisions that were directly impacting my brothers and sisters in uniform. I didn't realize that um my opportunity to be able to do that would happen so quickly.

But IT was August of twenty thirteen that present obama announced then president oba announce that he was going to seek authorization to use military force from congress to go in drops and bombs on syria in what would be kind of the first of valley of regime change war there. And um I was on the foreign fairs committee at the time, August, most members of congress at home during recess and I was home in my district and I remember like IT was yesterday, uh, pumping gas at the gas station. And this woman came up to me and i've never matter before local local lady came SHE grab my ARM and looked at me with this intensity in her eyes, telling me that her son had just come home from iraq.

And SHE had been terrified that he wouldn't come home. He was finally home with her. And now they wanted to, they wanted to send him back to another war in another country and begged me, please tell me, don't let them take my son for me.

And as the next couple of days went on, I would bump in to more people like that in the supermarket or just around town who were absolutely terrified. Um I went back to washington. We held all the committee hearings, open hearings, classified briefings.

And I went in with an open mind and give me all of the information um I want to make sure that I do my do diligence before I take a position or or make a decision on this and ultimately, uh, secretary kerry came in and briefed us the answers to very direct questions that I had such as, what is our objective? What what is your objective in wanting to go and start another war in another country? Uh, what do you how do you think they will respond? Uh, what will you do next? What is the second, third, fourth order of effects and consequences that will always happen? And the the the question, you know, when I said, what is your objective? Uh, I believe that was secretary Carrier or someone from the state department who said, well, you know, we don't want to deliver a we don't want IT to be a pinprick.

We want this to be a punch in the gut and send a message and my question was, okay. So a punch in the gut like what will you do when they respond? They say what we don't think they're don't think they're be a response. That's your plan. You don't think they're be a response .

said if somebody .

came up and punched you in the gut, would you like just not respond? If they don't respond, they've got some pretty you know weapon highs, powerful friends. Uh, you don't think they'll respond and what if they don't respond to us, but they respond by attacking some of our friends who may be in the region, all of these different kinds of questions like what we just stop, they will do what happens next.

Well, you know, we think this i'll send a strong message and and it's the same kind of like political B. S. Talk that means nothing and is so disconnected from the reality of the people on the ground who have to live with those consequences. And IT really surprised me. Maybe I shouldn't have been surprised, but IT surprised me that after so many years of looking back at the massive mistakes of iraq, that they could be so glib and just sing, I will just go drops and bombs in, send a message in, and that will be IT.

They learned nothing.

They learned that nothing. And so I I pending up bed and published IT and I was I was certainly the first democrat, maybe the first member of congress to come out in opposition to present obama's quest. And uh, within hours of publishing that of bed, I got a call from the White house.

And essentially what they said was, how dare you, how dare you go against your president? How did you go against the president who came from your home state? Not a moment of the conversation.

That was a much of a conversation, first of all, but they were not interested at all in the reason for my opposition, which I I stated pretty clearly in the abet how well uh, thought out this decision was IT was not made haphazardness they weren't interested in my experience that I brought that helped inform my decision having deployed twice in the middle east before uh and IT IT told me a lot about them that they were more a concerned within. They cared more about like being a good member of the team and go team obama, go team democrats. Then they were concerned about um the actual consequences of the very serious request that he was saying he would come to congress with. IT sent a strong message to them as well that I wasn't the person that they thought I was going to be. And in someone who could be puppeteer red, who could be bully into just uh, going along with the boss or whatever they had in mind uh, that was kind of the beginning of of their realization that, okay, this one thinks for herself and she's not afraid to take a stance.

So I mean, at that point, you know they have two options. They can either try and crush you. Your freshman was too early for that.

They've also ginned up the publicity machine on your behalf, if you probably were even aware this. But most people come, most congressman come to wash that no one ever hears. No one knows they are there. Yeah, everyone know you are there. Yeah, so they can try and crush you, or they can try in to born you, bribe you, give you stuff to win you over yeah, what they try.

you know, IT IT is kind of the public things like I I remember, I think you'll get a kick out of this being invited to the White house correspondents dinner. My first year in congress, I had guys who have been in congress to coming up to me. And gosh, tl sea, how come you got invited? I've been here for four terms, eight years, and I still haven't gotten invited to that.

And I was just like, do you wanna go? I really don't like going to these kind of things. I hate these big kind of parties and social things. Like, you can have my seat.

But but IT was that kind of thing where I go to this embassy for this fancy party like all this stuff that unfortunately too many members of congress um find very, very appealing and get some kind of I don't know, I I don't want to use the word for filming because it's not fulfilling. But but I guess IT IT, it's what they want and I I didn't want any of that. So so the things that they were putting before me, um we're not attractive to me at all.

And um IT all IT all kind of definitely came crashing down in two thousand sixteen. When I when I took a step that to go after Hillary clinton, when he was running for present the democratic primary, I was a very share of the dnc. And I saw that the mainstream media, they were all saying he was the most qualified person never to run for president, and listing out all of the titles that SHE is held. But not a single one of them was questioning or holding to account, holding her to account for her record on foreign policy, or or chAllenging her on what kind of .

commander in chief, the one right.

the the actual record of what happened, what tells what happened in libya, actually, for for you, you know, for her pushing for the regime change in libya. And what happened is a consequence. There are so many different examples for so.

So you said that out, that what .

happened I resigned as visitor of the dnc.

Um why?

Because the rules said that as after the dnc you can't take sides in a partisan primary uh the dnc itself under debby wants clearly in every way tilting the scales for Hillary clint but I resigned as vice for the dnc and endorse bernie Sanders around this single issue of foreign policy specifically because while I disagree ed with burning on on a bunch of things, he was certainly more of a non interventionist uh then the war monger that Hillary clinton is and I knew that would provide me with a platform to have a voice and actually speak the truth to the american people about her record and how dangerous he would be if SHE wherever our president and how how personal um this was for me because the cost is real.

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So what happened when you did that?

I did I announced IT on meet the press on a sunday morning, didn't tell anybody I was doing IT. No one before I went, uh, made that announcement on that show monday morning, came back to work and a lot of a lot of my democrat colleagues were basically reading um you know drafting their political ologies for me, just like you're done, you're done tosi. Uh, Hillary will be president.

You will not get a single dime for your district, anything that your community needs for your district or my district, for your campaign, for me, for my district. They've never given me anything for reading my campaigns. And then totally fine with that, but that my district and my constituency await would be punished for for doing what I did. Uh, I also learn that there is an actual list of people who are um you know blacklist did I suppose and I was told that he would take years in years, in years to ever work my way off that list. I I was chuckling.

They said this out wild thought this.

oh yeah, no no no these these were many conversations walking to and from votes with different people were pulling me aside um and offering their condolences, their political condolences to me ah because that I had I had made a decision that they said would be uh equal to my politic the death of my political .

future that's crazy .

yeah M S N B C I remember doing an interview. I think IT was one of the first debates that that bernie Hillary had um in floride I think IT was and uh A M S N B C anchor said, aren't you afraid of the lines and what theyll do and I said, no, i'm not afraid but I thought I was quite curious that he felt compelled to ask that question with concern .

in his voice yeah people who get around them new yeah so you still there in the party. When did you become clear? Like I can, I can represent this party anymore.

IT was in the fall of of twenty twenty two. There were a lot of critical mid term elections, uh, happening that year increasingly over time. And IT wasn't one specific thing that that caused me to make this decision but IT was increasingly over time, a couple of things obviously that the radical change that the democratic party leadership went through uh in in really truly become a wow mongering party of the elite um but also IT was IT was a recognition that I had done all I could to to try to change the party from within. I I tried as a advised of the dnc. I tried as a candidate running for president and twenty twenty and the democratic primary and uh the things that I was talking about about bring the party back to its roots, bringing the party back to bring the party of the people, the party of freedom, uh, the party of of peace and security IT IT. Not only fell on deaf years, I was booed by, you know, the party elite for having the audacity .

to push for these. Yeah, this is a very restrained version of what I saw. They didn't just bow you, the accused. You have been an agent for a foreign power in a disloyal american and an evil person. I mean, I saw that it's true.

And you know, it's it's such a crazy, crazy accusation to make obviously completely baseless. The media never ask tillery clinton for evidence of this trade st treaters act that he is accusing me of as a sitting member of congress and as a soldier wearing our country's uniform .

um an officer right?

yes. And and and here's that. The problem is, is that IT works, and that's why they continue even now, how many years later, they continue to fall back on the russia, russia playbook.

It's a russian asset. They've used this against you. They've used this against Donald trump, and they .

continue to come back to this, his army, and you are so it's a little weird to say, mean, hello clinton. I will never forget IT accused you of being a disloyal person. That's a criminal in the military code. I think IT is, yeah.

IT is. And one that would not only be grounds for them to remove my security clearance, but that would be grounds for discharge and that would be grounds for, uh, you know, enforcement under the uniform code of military just yeah.

if you are actually working for a foreign powers is a military after you can be executed for so like it's not a small thing to say so rather than just saying no tosi gabor needy or I disagree with her, whatever they went right to, that the heathy est thing you could ever say about somebody about an american that was all foreign policy related right yes.

that's three IT felt to me I I IT was foreign policy related um and IT was related to the fact that I I had the um I had the audacity to go against them to chAllenge the elite of the democratic party, which is hilary clinton and its barack obama and it's it's the people who are around them uh in the military industry complex, in the media industrial complex. Those who are pushing and it's not limited the democratic party of course mitt romney also called me a trees is uh person who is a russian as that or something along those lies so um you know they they are all part of this permanent washington elites who cannot allow for ah those who chAllenge them to go on skate uh because their their whole existence is based around that ease. It's based around power where they get their power from.

And the main course of power, obviously the exercise military force.

yes, it's the most powerful. It's the most powerful thing. We are the most powerful military in the world. And that's what's so offensive about them. And what they're advocating for is, is they they treat our military it's like and actually, I don't want to say they forget because they're not stupid. They really don't care about the men and women who make up our military and who live and die by the of their actions, whether they're holding office or not. Hello, clinton broome a not in office right now, but they still continue to wield immense power and influencing the decisions that .

are being made. So can I just sort of sidebar, but I think relevant, interesting. Are you answering the question that everyone watching has, which is who is running the government at this points?

Obviously not you and you think either it's not A A leap of of imagination to know that that's true. When you look at the people who are Angel by administration, they are the the the people who were the right hands for the obama administration, for president obama and for for hillery clan. When Hillary clinton said herself the other day, he said, oh yeah, I talked to the White house every day so it's not is no shocker, surprise, uh, who the influences are behind the policies that are coming out of this White house that many people say is the most radical and wo White house that our country has ever seen.

No question about IT. But as this was happening to you, I mean, I really don't want to go the White house correspondent, and good for you. tiresome.

But on the other hand, IT is a lot easier and much more pleasant to be love than IT is to be hated. I think it's just true. And so as you became much really hated by the leadership of the democracy, they weren't hiding IT at all. Did you ever think like maybe it's just easier to kind of pretend bombing series is a good idea? Did you ever question your decision to say, no.

no, I I knew what that that would be true. I knew that there was certainly an easier path to take. IT was kind of laid out for me when I first got there um but I I never second guess my decision um my decisions about these different positions that I took um I never regretted them a never not to this day and I never will because I didn't go to washington to be loved by the people who live and exist and thrive in that bubble so sure I .

get IT and their love is not worth having totally agree. But their moneys good yeah and I think you're the only famous person i've ever met who flies coach and you're still the only very, very well known member of congress and forging presidenti al candidate i've ever met in my entire life who didn't cash in personally. I know that is actually true. So like do you ever think like maybe I don't know it's easier to fly first class.

Maybe I should just it's not all that. okay. This is not worth IT. Do you think it's .

weird that we never talk about the money involved? Like I just know that from living there yeah and from knowing a lot of people who you know become families of politics and there's not one of them, not one not literally not one on either side is not in the top one percent for income. But you're not no what isn't anyone ever say that?

Yeah because because IT is the assumed norm. It's not the exception. What they're doing is the norm. So why would they talk about IT? There's nothing to talk about because they assume that every member of congress with their democrat or republican, the day you walk out, you get your payday.

What did you get when you walked out?

A nothing, nothing. I did come up with the plan of, you know like, all right, uh we got to fear how going to pay the bills.

How much how much money had you amassed .

during your um you know every financial advisor would probably be very disappointed because you know my husband, I were you know I had like, okay, we got a couple of months. We ve got a couple of months. We can make IT there. We ve got to come up with. We ve got to come up with .

the plan otherwise before you have to sell your weekend house or sure.

the imaginary weekend house. Yes, no.

You able to buy a big house when you're in congress?

Oh no, no, no. We had we we bought a house. Um I don't think you ever came to our house there, but but here here's i'll give you a little hint where and we shared IT with my sistern or husband uh but we did buy a house in a in a neighbor od that was affordable in dc. And we found out the first week that we were there that uh we try to order take out from .

someone oh oh in dc, the hood dc and .

and as soon they were like OK put the order in and everything else and as soon as I I gave them the adjuster like, oh no, we don't deliver to that neighborhood. We won't cross that bridge. We won't cross the anacostia bridge to get to your house.

You, we call the other side of the .

river literally. Um anyway IT IT is you know there was a question that a reporter asked me a couple of years I for a two or three years after i'd been in congress and like OK, you've been here a while now um you know if you feel like you fit in and IT was a surprising question to me. I said, no, I don't never want to fit in here.

This is not like this is not my home. Uh, i'm grateful to get out of here as quickly as possible as soon as votes are done as often as possible, get back to my community and he wai or get get out and visit other communities in the country and and remain very closely connected to the people who I am, I am you know, and there to serve. And as you know, we've talked about this before. There's just their there are far too many politicians from both parties who spend their time um at social hours and happy hours with lobby sts uh then they do actually spend time at home.

Does anyone ever oh that's certainly true and they have sad, had personal lives, almost not all, but most, as you know. But i'm always amazed by the financial disclosures. And again, since as the last question this is no one else talks about, well, and you see these members of congress, you are no, some cases are clever, maybe even smart. Some cases are just pretty ordinary, actually. And there so rich relative .

to the mean, oh yeah.

does anyone and I have no idea how they made money? No clue at all how animosity is just so rich, or how SHE her stock picks her, like, way Better than warn buffs. Like how does that happen. But does anyone ever talk about that internally on the hill?

No, because most of them benefit from IT. I love these these like accounts on eggs and on instagram that pop up now that are actually tracking. I don't know how they do. I really don't know how I figured IT out, but they are tracking what she's buying and what other members of congress .

are buying stock tracking.

Er oh yeah, that's definitely one of them. They're like everybody paid IT is it's incredible to see. Um and and when you watch that and i'm so glad for the transparency that they are providing the people uh in real time almost but but it's no wonder why he and others, democrats, republicans who could very easily pass the legislation that says no member of congress of the senate or their spouse or their senior staff should be allowed to trade in stocks, period, full stop.

It's such an obvious way to stop even the perception if you want to claim like innocence or whatever, there should be no perception that our elected leaders are profiting off of the knowledge that they have as policymakers are directly impact industries and businesses. That's a no brainer to me. I introduced legislation.

I was in congress to do that. Many people have since then, there's been a lot of talking conversation. Why hasn't gone anywhere? That's why because they profit off IT. So they don't of course they don't .

uh want to talk about .

IT is and Frankly like why why do they need to be forced when I am not i'm not some kind of stock trader but you know when I was like twenty three and twenty four, I had like five thousand dollars in my savings accounts. Like, okay, cool. Let me learn a little bit about stocks.

I put some money in, some stocks in. I don't remember how they did, but I knew I I knew immediately like going in the congress, perception is reality, yes. And so IT doesn't matter like I ve had the stock for fifteen years or whatever doesn't even matter what IT is I got rid of, uh, I did not participate in anything related to stocks or stock trading or buying or selling or anything for the entire time that was encouraged.

And it's not some like or look at me, i'm so great. It's just common sense that we have people in great positions of power. Why should they be forced to do something with the passage of a law? Why don't they just do the right thing and say, you know what we get that even an innocent thing could be perceived as insider trading or is not gonna .

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So it's it's interesting. So use have explained and thank you the history for why, which I think is directly relevant to the traces that you've made.

And and for us, I know it's everything is true um and so the party has changed a lot in just a brief time that you you that you remember of IT a lot dramatically unrecognizable but also in the process of going through all these experiences in being attacked by people who thought, who said they were your allies. You've got to change yeah i've changed dramatically in twenty years just through you know we all do if you're honest. So how would you change like what perceptions of yours are different from what they were five years ago?

You know IT is IT is that that like the last five years um that IT became more and more clear to me how many people especially in democratic party in washington specifically um how little they think of the constitution and you know I think the last five years especially are pretty pivotal because you look at what happened with COVID, for example, as a starting point of how people both at the federal level, the state level counting level, a lot of places when given just a little bit of power, man, they they took advantage of that and continue to abuse that power in a way that just didn't make sense IT didn't make sense.

You know when they're like o OK. Well, for public safety, everybody got to stay in indoors and you can go to church and you can't even worship you know out like in hawaii, the beach you can you can't have like an outdoor service um but if you're gonna and do a black life's matter march, that that actually rises above any public health and safety concerns that we talked about. So that's OK uh the the the politically motivated decisions that were being made in the midst of what they were calling this, you know the greatest health epa demise of our time, uh, I think exposed pretty deeply to a lot of people. Uh that IT was really all just about power and how little they were concerned about things like freedom and civil liberties needed for us to make our own choices for ourselves and then IT just continue to escalate more and more with the biden haris administration um in in how they were undermining the rule of law continuing to this day uh and how willing they were to both directly and indirectly uh sensor blacklist and smear um everyday americans uh across the country if you happen to chAllenge them whether beyond cove IT or be on uh things like IT and this this was uh I think this was the thing that the cosmic romney to call me a treason liar was saying, hey, there are U. S funded, D O D funded bio labs in ukraine that should be secured because there's a war going on over there and the last thing we are the world needs is anything going on in those bio labs being unleashed in a way that could pose a threat to people that that was seen as a but I should say .

you weren't guessing. No, you got that. I was confirmed in any case, in a public exchange in the between marco review of floor of the sitting republican senator and Victoria new in the undersecretary state who volunteered IT on camera. yes.

So and IT was on the D O D website talking about their long history of funding these bio labs, not only in ukraine, but in many other countries.

because they around the world outside U. S. Law, right? They can in its its by weapons for research, obviously. But but you are just you, I don't even think you said that.

You just said basically what the undersecretary states in the senate, right? And then you have A A creature like ment romney calling you um a trader to your country um so what do you think of him? Like what is that? Why would he be so committed to a life that he'd willing to .

try to destroy your character? He is part of that neo on new lib establishment in washington that poses a direct threat to our republic, to our democracy and to our freedom. And that that really is at the heart of why I chose to leave the democratic party, seeing people and and yet got IT.

He's a republican but he took the same position as hillaton and many other democrats, uh, who don't care about our country. That's what IT comes down to. They don't care about our country.

I chAllenged him, mat romney. I sent him a legal letter chAllenging him on his accusation for the very reason that we talked about as a uniform officer serving in united states army. Uh, his accusation as A U.

S. Senator is, is, is a crime punni hable by death. So if you're going to make that accusation, as he did on what was that known as twitter, you Better breaking back IT up.

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He's very much a sub genius. He's like, not a genius. So just put IT that way. And he's made hundreds of millions of dollars in our economy. Like what does that tell you about our like, how could a guy like that gets so unbelievably rich like this thing systemically wrong, right?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, there there's a whole I think there a huge and and I I think this i'll be the topic of the next book that all right is as we talk about the military industrial complex, there is a corporate industrial complex that exists as well. I'm all about capitalism. But when you look at the monopoly, yes, that's not that's not capitalism at all. You look at how many small businesses are suffering in this country because of overregulation by government and because they can afford to pay millions, tens of millions of dollars, have lobby's going and scratching the back of politicians so that they can create the loops that allow their business to thrive at the cost of the the mass majority of the small businesses in our country and the elimination of competitiveness. True true competition, really capitalism, all about true competition, uh, in our country and and that's how when you look at people like mitt romney and you see how they have done, uh, so well that that's that's the reason .

why he's just so disGraceful um it's hard to believe real but he he is so how did he respond .

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all did not respond at all, not to my lawyer and not on twitter and and not in any way uh, shape reform uh which IT IT didn't IT didn't .

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IT is IT is IT is I I am so grateful and really truly feel like IT is a privilege to be able to serve our country in uniform. Uh, April makes twenty one years for me. Um i'm grateful to serve as a vatan commander currently were I have the opportunity to work with incredible americans who come from all over the country and who deeply love our country.

Uh, it's not a it's not a small sacrifice to make both for those who are serving as active duty service members as well as those who serve in the reserve component. There's a reason why we do IT and IT stems from a deep love for our country. And to have a guy like that, uh, make such an accusation, yeah IT IT hits close to home not only for me, but the the real issue with that and why I chAllenged him on IT is because when people like MIT romney, uh, make that kind of accusation, people like killing clin call me a trader and a russian asset or a pupil of putin.

This is not about me. It's about the message that they're sending to every service man and women in this country and every american that if you dare to chAllenge us, we will come. We will come at .

you least american people who make the claim that you're not american enough. Yeah, so, but I ever think so. Again, this is demonstrable.

If anyone who's made IT to this point in the conversation can decide, you know, do I agree or disagree with a toy garet t fine. But I don't think any fair person could say you're in this for the money or the accolade. Es, just the opposite.

You're continuing to get deployed and you're not making any money doing that. You're doing anyway. It's quite a time um you ever think like maybe politics is not the business for me because i'm just I believe that I believe and and i'm kind of never gna sell IT out maybe are not transaction al enough .

for the I am serious. I, I, I have never thought of of cotton coat politics as a career yeah at all ever. And so the different times in my life where I have held public office, it's never been. Well, this is what i'm gonna do for the next few decades and then i'll retire. And it's why I have left at different times. Um I did not run for reelection when I was serving in the state house because I decided to volunteer and deploy to iraq with my brother's and sisters in the old national guard at the time uh, I did not run for congress uh again in reelection in twenty twenty because I felt like I could um the the climate of the house of representative had gotten to that point where I felt like I had maximized ed the impact that I could make there and I could I could be of more influence um at that time on the outside kind of holding their feet to the fire and being able to share exactly what I am now at the american people the truth about what's gone on in washington and the truth about these politicians who claim to care for you but show through their actions that they don't more and more brazen and this is this is really, you know you to ask the question about what happened over the last five years and yeah.

how was the .

change the change really uh whether there has been a change IT has come from A A much deeper appreciation um Frank of of of our constitution and the role that our leaders must have in truly upholding the constitution is obviously something I I ve saw those two twice in my life and I care very deeply for uh to see how those in power were so brainy and continue to so brainy abuse their power. And uh web ize you know are laender ced ed in the national security state. All all of these different tools that are at their disposal increasingly pushing us to towards the place where our countries being made by a tyrant's government.

Yes.

the problem comes very real. It's a very real danger. But I Frankly couldn't, you know, ten years ago, maybe even, maybe even you know less than that. I I, I don't think I would I think I .

would have said that oh, I don't think mostly would have said that at all because that seemed like just the the Normal disagreements yeah in people with the same goal, which is to help the country.

That's not the the obviously the problem of the constitution though is that the whole document basically is just like a limits on the power and authority of that's the whole purpose of IT here you can do to the population but it's in the hands of politicians to apple yeah so you thought, I mean, maybe that's like the core problem with our government or system of government, is they have to restrain their own power. What if they're like, well, we don't care. The constitution, like a White guys wrote that they are racist and like, it's now invalid .

and that's exactly where the leaders of today's democratic party are.

That is their minds. What you do about .

that that's that's we're going in and actually looking again at our founding documents, looking at the declaration of independence, looking at the federalist papers yes um where we are reminded over and over and over again about how our nations founders continued to say it's we the people that our government does not exist without the consent of the government and this is the message of Carrying everywhere across the country is that if you are not happy with the direction that our country is headed um and I think that most people are not happy with IT this changes only when we take action.

Only when we take action there is no night shining armour that's coming to save the country. Our founder specifically uh built our country on the foundation of we the people taking ownership and responsibility for the kind of leadership that we want and the kind of future that we want. And right now um I am sounding the alarm and encouraging everyone to sounding the alarm.

The name of my book is for love of country, leave the democrats party behind specifically and very directly pointing to those who pose the greatest threat to our democracy, to our freedom, to our security and our ability to live in peace right now. And my concern, my my grave concern, is that in this next election, if president biden or Harris are whoever they may put up, if it's not president by, if they are allowed to remain in power, then we will get to a place where the country that I love, that you love, that so many of us love and appreciate, will become unrecognizable. And a to a place where the freedoms that we are already starting to lose um that that we won't be able to get them back.

I know I know a lot of people have been in jail in the last three and half years a lot and been interviewed lot to interview you one today. Um and they've gone to jail for their political views and for their willingness to chAllenge the people in power. If binder, if clinton, obama get reelected using binders are cut out in common hairs, are you worried that I mean, we're talking about like in actual americans, american citizens going to jail, we're going to see a lot more of that. He feels like to me.

we are already seeing more of that ah and I have no doubt that that will only escalate dramatically because every time uh you know they could win the election by theoretically one vote and they will run around the country and say the american people have given us a Mandate to continue the great work we are doing for this country with the great work that they say they are doing for this countries actually for themselves and they are completely undermining uh, the fabric uh that that makes this country what is that for sure? But are you worried?

I mean, you're in this interesting position because, no, they always, we've dislike trump for a long time, dislike me for a long time. They thought they could use you. They thought they loved you, and so they hate you with a very intense and very specific kind of hate.

And you've give them the finger at every turn. Like, can you want stop? So like, do you ever think to yourself you can be surprised? no. Why wouldn't they edit you for being a russian .

agent or whatever? There there's um as we are seeing now, they are completely willing to use the department of justice in law enforcement to serve their own political means. Um so so no, I wouldn't surprise me at all. Uh they are they're showing that even without evidence, without basis, without anything to back up their claims, they are, uh, you know and this is what they have been doing this against trump and see first ran for office and twenty sixteen launching years long investigations into him, this whole russia collusion think things that were, you know proven through those investigations, like now there there is nothing here and there there's been no accountability for them whatsoever. Which goes back to just emphasizing how critical IT is uh, if if you are a person who cares about freedom, who cares about our country, who cares about you know being able to make your own decisions as parents, about what kind of education you want for your child, if you care about having a safe community for your child to live and if you care about having a uh a secure country with borders, are the democratic party is is not the answer IT is not the answer. They are in fact the problem.

So you ve been um in a lot of different news stories ah talked about as a potential V P choice for triumph. I'm nobody if that's gna happen or not probably a noble. Are you open to that? If you don't do that, what are you open to?

What's your plan? Yeah I would. I would be honored. I be honored to deserve our country in that way or in other ways um and to be in a position to to help present trump if is if he is reelected, to actually address these chAllenges, help execute those policies that will bring back a secure border that will breathe new life into uh our economy and start to get this radical inflation uh at a control which on that note, I I was in a conversation the other day with like two different groups of people.

A one one was with uh a very, very wealthy couple and they are saying gosch you know and they're not fans of president by neither were like, you know economy is not actually that bad stock markets doing right and you know it's it's not really as bad as a lot of people are saying IT is um and then the next conversation was with a people who are not part of that that wealthy class who were talking about, you know a loaf of bread is three times more expensive today than IT was six months ago. A year ago. Basic necessities, electricity, uh, food, medicine, all of the things that that people need just to live in and to try to live in a healthy way uh, are far more expensive.

But they're not making a whole lot more. The dollar is going uh you know not not going nearly as far as IT needs to in order to be able to afford this inflation. And so I I just mention that because this disconnect still continues between the elite in washington ah and the reality that they live in versus the reality the rest of us live in in this country. In the end, president truman recognized that i'd love to be in a position to help. To help secure our country and to get us off this path towards the world war three and nuclear war that the democrat elite and president guidance policies have a son right now.

So my last question, a lot that has been written about you and um a lot has been written about your spiritual life. I don't know any of exactly ate or not um most politicians don't have a spiritual life so they can IT spooks are media that you clearly do you can feel IT, but I want ask you a specific question so there was a fairly famous exchange on M S B. C. Week two ago with a reporter from politicians who is attacking Christians and that reporter said, um the crazy thing about Christians is they think their rights come from god when of course, implications that really are granted by job I didn't like what a where do you think our rights come from?

Our rates come from god and it's it's I saw that clip um and I laughed when I saw and then I was concerned because I saw the people sitting around the table in one of those panels and they all had serious looks on their faces as they were not along with this woman saying this as though like first of all, whatever her spiritual beliefs are or the lack there of that's her business yeah but have you read the declaration of independence ever certainly not recently because again, whatever your own personal thoughts may be um the declaration of independence is not that they don't means words yes that that our god given rights are unalienable and they do come from our creator uh and and again recognizing that as the basis for our founding documents uh is a very powerful message to every person in politics or in power that you don't get to try to take away those rights.

God gives us those rights, only god can take them away and this god complex that so many of our politicians have is that the heart of the problem is they're so eager to put themselves in a position of power where they they believe that they have the power to say what is true and what is not true, that something as unenviable as the fact that I am a woman and you're a man is something that they have now declared to be, uh, a fungible, uh, label. I suppose that you can just say, I, you know I I believe on a man, on a man and and and let IT be so the this is this is IT would be laugh if the consequences weren't so dangerous to have people in power who don't recognize that our our rights and freedoms come from god, and you follow that track. And where does this lead is? Is they really do believe that they are god, or should be god, and that they are self appointing themselves to be in that position of authority and have a lot of tools at their disposal to try to enforce that.

And that is what is at the heart of the danger that we face in the country right now. This is something that trans sends party affiliation, that trans sends how you may like or dislike certain candidates. This is the fact, and it's the reality that we have to confront ourselves with if we care about peace, if we care about freedom, if we care about security, if we care about our country and our future, the choice is very clear in this election and what we must do and leaving the democrat party behind.

So again, I don't know what's text for you, don't know what's text for any of us, actually, but I hope you will keep talking.

Thank you for having me. Thank you. It's so good to see you.