#2307 - Tim Dillon
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Hey, Tim Dillon. How are you? I'm much better now that the ladies are back from space. Thank you for having me. What were they up there, 10 minutes? Well, it was very profound. I don't know if you've seen Katy Perry talk about it, but she's basically a guru now. Yeah. What were her findings? That's my question. Well, she brought a daisy, which is super important. It shows you how quick the flight was. The dead daisy that's like snipped from its life source.

was still alive or still vibrant. Yeah. And it's so, it's always, yeah. Shout out Daisy. Wow. Look at her nails. So pretty.

Now, so they go up there and they float for like 10 minutes. At least. And then they come down. Let's not minimize this. No, I know. It's a big deal. Let's celebrate female astronauts. Because they were united. Because a lot of men astronauts, they have to go to school. Right. They have to learn how to be a pilot first. Then they have to join the Air Force or the Navy. And then they get appointed by NASA. That's right. And then they go to space. You know?

And there has been, that's the other thing, there has been female astronauts. Let's not minimize this. Let's not minimize this.

I think there was a bitch stuck on a space station for a few months. That's terribly more impressive. Let's not minimize this. No, the problem with that story is that she was rescued by a very awful person who wants to expose fraud and waste. Yes. Did Musk rescue her? Yes. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I didn't know. Oh, where's that in the news? Oh, I didn't know that. Those fucking people were stuck. The Boeing jet, the Skyline, whatever the fuck it is, the Boeing spaceship wasn't working. They couldn't fix it.

Interesting. I didn't even know that. Yeah. And by the way, Elon could have rescued them during the Biden administration. They didn't want to because of his open support for Trump. So they left those people up there. Yes. He's talked about it on my podcast. They left those people up there. And they're just chilling. No, they're dying. Right. It's like slow radiation poisoning. It's like getting 10 x-rays a day. And

You're just slowly getting sapped of your life force out there in no gravity. Your bones are weakening. Did you see that lady's face when she came back? She didn't look great. Bro, something had happened. Her chin had grown. Her chin was extended and her hair had all turned gray. She looked like she was sick. She was sick. You're dying up there, man. That's crazy. I had Commander Chris Hatfield on, and he was at one point in time the longest...

that had been in space from... Wasn't he? It was like he was there for like six months and he was saying it was unbelievable like how difficult it was to recover once you get back to Earth. He couldn't walk. It was just like a total vertigo. Like his whole body was like so not used to gravity. All of his bones were weak. All of his muscles were weak. But these bitches seem fine, these ladies. Well...

For now. It was quick. Let's not minimize the sacrifice they paid for a great nation. Yeah, no, it was huge. It was a big deal. For the world, in fact. Yeah. For the world. They're profoundly different. To show people. They're profoundly different now. To show people. Well, it's inspiring. That's what I'm saying. It's inspiring. If a guy who's worth, what, a trillion dollars? Several billion? A hundred billion? Just imagine the conspiracies if they didn't make it. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, Pete, there's already people saying that they faked it, which I think is silly. Well, I love those people. But it's great. Those are the people that think space is fake. That's right. Yeah. But there are already people going, well, they faked it. And I'm like, I hope they fake something better than that. I hope. If they're faking stuff and they probably are faking some stuff, God, I hope they're faking stuff that's better than that. I think this is the confusion. I think the confusion is that they essentially got to the threshold of space.

They did not get like way out there where reentry is very traumatic. And it has like, if you see like those heat shields that they put all over those things and if they break off on the reentry, everybody dies. That's because you're way out there and the amount of heat that gets generated as you're reentering the atmosphere. I think they're essentially like on the border of the atmosphere. Let's see how high did they go up there? 62 miles.

They go above that line. It's called the Karmann Line. So the space shuttle goes 300 miles. They went a little higher than that Rocket Man documentary, that guy who shot himself up in a rocket. They went like a few feet higher than that guy. RIP that guy who drove by his grave on the way to Vegas when LA burned down. Are they even technically actually in space?

I think that's where the, like it floats. That's the line. I might go there. I might do that. Do it. I wouldn't go to space base, but I might do the 80 miles. Do that. So 350 miles is the highest anyone has ever gone other than the Apollo astronauts. 62. 62 miles. Okay. 62 miles ain't shit, dude. I drive that in an hour.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. By the way, I agree with you. It's not that far. That's not even here to San Antonio. 62 miles ain't shit, but it is kind of technically space. So they get up there and they look at the earth? Yeah. That's why everybody's calling bullshit on the outside of the capsule that it wasn't completely on fire and destroyed. It's because they didn't go that high. They didn't go that high. That's all it is. Right. But they did go to space, technically. They went to space, and they lost gravity.

The funniest thing is they come back and you need a parachute to land. Right. Like, at all the technology Elon has. Elon is catching rockets with robot arms. What could go wrong with that?

Something like that. Oh, it could explode on the way up. Oh Yeah, the way up is not ensured that those things are definitely gonna hold it together. So that's the biggest risk Yeah, you have these cannons filled with rocket fuel that are burning it like twice the what is the temperature of rocket fuel when it's hot is it like it is it's like close to the surface of the Sun or some crazy shit and

Like, what's the actual temperature? So everything has to be contained while you have insane amounts of fuel burning every second. And huge plumes of flame. Enormous thrust to escape Earth's atmosphere. You're just hoping all those O-rings and all the shit that blew up with the Challenger. So it could have blown up. 100%. I mean, Musk has openly said some of these are going to blow up.

when he's testing them. When they would blow up, you're like, oh, Elon failed again. Like, no, we want it to fail because we want to find out what is the threshold. There's only one way to find out. I wonder if all of them were, you think they were like prepared to die? No. Katy Perry was prepared to die. Yeah, in her eyes, something's off. She looked like a soldier. Something's off with her. I don't know, it's good. Yeah.

What about the hatch, though? Wasn't that kind of sketch? She has a Muhammad Adda look to her. Well, I think the problem is that the hatch is not a real hatch like a spaceship.

Because it's not really going to space. There's no captain. There's no pilot. Right. There's nobody going. Exact the mundo. All the above. Okay. So most hatches in that regard, they open outwardly so that the pressure of space travel, like when you're shooting that fucking rocket up insane amounts of gravity, doesn't make the door hinges fail and it collapses in on itself and everybody dies. Right. Right. So they have to open outward. Right.

Right. Right. So the pressure would keep them shut. So generally, like there's like a seal and it's really kind of crazy. Like I have a friend of mine.

Very wealthy businessman who brings me over his house the other days is I want to show you something and he shows me this Diagram he said this is from the 1950s and this is the blueprint for the recreation UFO that they made when they when they tried to back engineer the one that they found at Roswell and they had a this was a diagram. Yeah, and it had a crank handle like a submarine door and

And they were trying to replicate a craft that had landed, crashed. Yeah. He thinks they did. Wow. He doesn't think it's a try. He said, this is the blueprint because it had the actual, by the way, the exact generator in the center of it that Bob Lazar described in 1989 when he worked at Area S4. What layer of the government do you think is working on projects like that? Like, is it all the DARPA people? I think it's...

People that are completely disconnected from congressmen, senators, presidents. It's all deep state.

Right. They have to be like, they probably belong to an agency without a name. Well, there's probably a bunch of those. Right. And when it comes to this kind of stuff, like we already know now because of Doge that there was money that was going with no receipts, billions and billions of dollars that was just flying out with no receipts. They have no idea where it went. And Elon openly said if this was...

He goes, if this was a public company, it would be delisted and the people who ran it would go to prison. But because it's the government, you're like, oh, we did. We just have no receipt. That could be going to it. You think they'll bring charges against anyone for fraud? That's the worry about disclosure. Because that's what I think. That's what's holding it. I think people needs concrete evidence.

Yeah. You want to see concrete? Let's hear Katy Perry talk about space. I'm going to send you one. I sent you a few this morning. I said, let's discuss. I saw her. I saw her. I chatted about it on my show. I saw her say something about we weren't.

taking space or making space. That's the one I want to say. Which I thought was an interesting scientific. It's not this one? No, no, no. I got another one. I got some better ones. What is funny is immediately after they landed. Well, actually, that one's pretty good. It is funny to do something like this and then everyone hates you. Like, everyone hates them now. They shouldn't hate her. Oh, no, that's not it, Jamie. I'll send it to you. I have so many of them. I don't think that one has the making space. Try this one. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

It's so fun with people. Why is it so fun when people get pretentious? I guess because you're terrified that you would ever do it. Well, yeah, and I also think it's fun to see somebody who has no self-awareness. They're always the most fun. I will never be the same. I mean, when you get up there and you see the earth, and it's so beautiful, and it just fills the screen, and it's not just your window. It's like everybody's window, and there's no boundaries. There's no border. There's just earth. And it just fills the screen.

I like how it says "astronaut" Is it what you expected? No. Better? I don't think you can describe it. Because, you know what I was saying, it was like quiet but then also really alive. And you look at it and you're like

We're all in this together. You mentioned this prior to going up. You said that you needed to go to space to heal. I know you're only a few minutes removed from this incredible experience. Do you feel healed? Now you are officially an astronaut. Thank you so much. How do you feel? I feel super connected to love.

Goodness. I will never be the same. I mean, when you get up there... No, that's it. That's it. There's another one. There's another one. She said making space. Well, no, she's so funny. How great is it that they just get called astronauts now? It's funny to hear the richest guy in the world's wife go, we're all in it together.

Oh, boy. Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if people feel that. Yeah, we're definitely not all in it with you. I don't feel like we're all in it together with you. Can we get on your jet? How in it together are we? Yeah, what does that mean? It feels like you hand selected a couple of friends to go do this. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it should have been a lottery system like Willy Wonka where just seven random people

should have been able to go in this. I would do it just to change my... That would be fun. That would be good. Just seven random people. Just pull out some guy who's not supposed to be here. Just a cashier at HEB, someone from MS-13. Yeah, that was what I was thinking. Get him in. Someone from Trendy Agua. MS-13.

And Lauren Sanchez and Gayle King and, you know. Oh, you see they released the footage, dash cam footage or police footage of the guy who they're saying was just a father. Yeah.

The Maryland father. Yeah, as he got pulled over with eight undocumented people in his truck. They were all supposedly staying at his house. Yeah. I didn't see that. The wife had a restraining order against him, a protection order. I saw that there was a restraining order. I saw that he was hanging out with two guys that were in MS-13. Yeah, they released the – yeah, he's definitely sketchy.

But it's not this Maryland father. No. The guy that scares me is the hairdresser. The gay hairstylist? Yeah. Or there's a guy with a tattoo. That's him. Oh, the hairdresser has a mom and dad. Oh, no. There was a guy with an autism awareness tattoo, and they thought it was like an MS-13 tattoo, but it doesn't look like an MS-13 tattoo. It's a literal...

The problem is everybody's a liar. You don't know. So the liberals are liars and the Republicans are liars. Everyone's lying. They're all lying. And if they did ship some- Ironically, the only people I trust are MS-13. And podcasters. Because they'll tell you. And podcasters. Podcasters and MS-13. That's all I trust. I would love if you just had MS-13 on. Just three guys with tattoos. Because, by the way, there would be no outrage.

That's what's hilarious. If you had three MS-13 gang members, not one person would go, why did he have them on? Why did he platform them? Nobody would. But if I have Ian Carroll on. If you have anyone else on, it'll be a horrible thing. But if it was three guys, MS-13 with head-to-toe tattoos, who admitted to killing multiple people, and you said, now tell me about what it's like to grow up in San Pedro Sula or whatever.

And it would be okay. Well, the reason why that's good is because I think it's important to learn about other cultures. Well, a thousand percent. And they should have their chance to talk. And what's not cool is talking about maybe Israel did something wrong. You should really not do that. I think it's criminal of you to even discuss anything. It's not right. Apparently I've been co-opted by what's called the woke right.

The woke right. That's what I heard. There's a woke right now? Yes. Fascinating. They're co-opting. I still haven't accepted the fact that I've left the left. I did a CNN interview for an hour because I'm promoting my special. Oh, my God. Did you really? Yeah. Who'd you talk to? This girl, Elle Reeves. Was she cool? Elle, she was cool. You know when you see the Vice documentaries where she talks to the Nazis and the incels? Oh, Jesus. She does that? It was that chick. Oh, wow. And they sent her in. Oh, that's a good move for them. I was like, this is hilarious. So I'm sitting there and she sits down and she's like-

Are there any left-wing comedians? And I named 10 of them that are all in arenas. And she goes, oh. Because their whole...

thing now is that podcasters are the most powerful people in the world. And she goes, do you think your friends are the new establishment? I said, well, there's 22 intelligence agencies and entire legacy media. There's lots of Ivy League schools. There's this, there's that. Do I think Theo Vaughn's the new establishment? No, I don't think so. I think, I think you ran a really unpopular candidate. I don't think Americans like child sex changes and I don't think they want an open border. And I think if you'd, you know, co-opted some of those issues, you might've won. I don't think so.

They said to me at CNN, they're like, we're editing the interview. I said, put the hour out. I sat there for an hour and we had a nice conversation. But, you know, we talked for one hour and I was like, put it out. I'm like, I understand if you can't put it out. And then she goes like this. She goes, I can't believe you'd show up. Yeah.

People have said that they can't come on here because Joe Rogan would get mad at them. I said, that's absolutely ridiculous. Why would I say he doesn't care? He would never care. I said, oh, that's so silly. It's the silliest thing ever. They think we're at war.

I just said put out the thing, put out the hour online. If you can only put out a few minutes on network, fine. But it's wrong to have someone come in and talk for an hour. Right. And then not- And then use three minutes. And then use five minutes. Yeah. It's fucked up. So how much did they use? We don't know yet. They haven't put it out. And did they say we can't put the whole hour out? I texted this journalist and she texted me. She goes, I'm pushing for like a long form release. I go-

Yeah, man. Just put out the interview. Also, do you guys want ratings or no? Yeah. We had a conversation about all these things you guys talk about. Yeah. You guys have a website. Then what are we doing? Don't you have a YouTube page? Does the CNN have a YouTube page? Put the fucking whole hour out. I go, she goes, what do you think that Joe Rogan should, why is it so popular? I go, well, one of the reasons is he doesn't edit people.

They don't, they're not edited. They come on, they say what they want to say and there's no editing. So what's weird about those institutions is they will sit you down for an hour and then I guess cherry pick what they think is

their audience wants to see? - Well, they just want what they think is gonna grab the most ratings and is not gonna make them look stupid. So if you're mocking them openly, then explain. - Well, she didn't know when she said that, she goes, "Comedy's right-wing." And I go, she goes, "Name left-of-center comedians." I named literally eight of them and I said, "They all are in arenas." I go, "What are you talking about?"

It's so dumb. What are you talking about? It's so dumb. I was like, you're saying a comedy's... What? By the way, I used to be left of center according to the metrics of 2015. I said there's a lot of Joe's positions, if you look at them, that are left of center positions. And there's a lot of my positions or anyone's positions. I said there's nobody that you can easily put in a box.

But they want you to be in that box. Well, they're silly. And they also want me to be an enemy of CNN. I don't give a fuck if anybody goes on CNN. You don't care who cares. By the way, I hope CNN corrects course and does real news. Right. And just concentrates on the news and all this fucking... I don't want editorial comments from morons. Right? So when you're force-feeding me...

Don Lemon's opinion on how the world should be. Right. And how, you know, everyone should be shamed if they don't get vaccinated. Right. You're force feeding me morons. Like, no matter. Of course your ratings plummeted. Yeah. Of course. And you guys lied about so many fucking things and never corrected yourselves. Is there an arm of the Democratic Party?

National Committee and they're an arm of that party. I mean, whether they are forced to be or whether they choose to be because they identify with being Democrat and they want to skew things completely towards the left. I don't know. I don't know what the answer to that is. All of the old Bush era...

Neoconservative people who pushed the wars that Iraq and Afghanistan and the Patriot Act and Guantanamo Bay and all of this stuff all find homes usually on MSNBC or CNN Advocating for war with Iran. Yes, or an escalation in Ukraine They always so it's kind of an establishment doesn't seem to met. They don't really care about party, right?

And, you know. They're doing better now, though. I mean, when they have Scott Jennings on. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's great. That's the kind of conversations you need. Completely ridiculous people are out of your fucking minds versus Scott Jennings. Those are great. You need to have some fun, yeah. It makes these ridiculous woke anchors look retarded. Yeah. And they should. They are. In the world, there are good principled arguments against radicals.

Right wing things. Yes. You just can't have people who are completely out of it make them. Exactly. Exactly. After the election, one of my favorite ones was at CNBC or CNN. I forget what it was. This guy was talking about this whole right wing podcast ecosystem that's incredibly well funded and organized and.

Right. What are you talking about? Right. You could literally go to the roots of how it all started. You could see every one of us doing our first podcast with a fucking webcam. There's no funding.

What are we talking about? What are we saying? Even the idea that we're all organized together or that like I would want to prevent people from going on CNN. Well, it's just silly. I could not care less. Because that's the way they operate. You always usually like a lot of times you end up accusing people of something you're doing. Right. So you, cause you are familiar with that. So they're like,

"Well, we have a top-down corporate oligarchy telling us what to do. Is that the way it works with you?" Like, no, Joe Rogan doesn't email people at the beginning of the week and go, "Hey guys, this is..." This is where you can't go. This is the most insane thing ever. But not only that, like, I want them to do well. I really don't care. They obviously don't want me to do well. Right. But I don't care. I hope they're... Look, if they turned it around and CNN became great, I'd watch it all the time. It's just... It used to be great. It used to have parts unknown on it. The new thing they're doing, this is a very interesting thing that's happening.

if somebody says something that they don't like and they can't immediately dismiss it, they go, but the fans of that thing are bad people. Right. This is an interesting attack point. They go, but somebody with a

the massive audience, if they find a sliver of that audience to be objectionable in any way, they then go, well, the fans of that type of questioning are anti-Semitic or racist or something. And they don't deal with the actual...

Facts or the actual line of argumentation. Yeah, it's just a sneaky debate tactic right when you're dealing with I have 19 million YouTube subscribers, how can you nail that down to the fans? Right? You don't know you're just talking out of your ass. Right? This is a non argument It's a stupid point. And by the way, when you're talking about actual comments, we've already established that

that I don't know what the number is, but there's a huge number of people that are commenting that aren't even people.

They're bots. They're state-sponsored bots. They could be from Ukraine. They could be from America. They could be from Russia. They could be from Israel. And I want more of them. Yeah. So if they're a state-sponsored bot that can jack my ratings up. They can. If they want to come over to me. Do you have anything nice to say about Israel? Any Ukraine. I'm waiting for the money. I texted Barry Weiss. I go, here's the way this game works.

I get a little bit of money first. Not I go on and defend whatever the hell you people want to do. I'm not going to get my beak wet. If you and I go to Israel, will you slap on the yarmulke? Absolutely. Absolutely. Because the wall? Absolutely. Absolutely. Oh, yeah, sure. And my film is greenlit when?

Do you have to kiss the wall? Is that the word? No, I don't know anything. The wall is the way. Is that the wailing wall? I don't know. But Mike Huckabee's over there like a good Christian. Oh, well, he loves it over there. Because it's Easter Sunday. That's where he's supposed to be. Because the fundamentalist Christians go hard with the Israel thing. They're like, let's go. They think Jesus is coming back to that spot. Yeah. What's very interesting is if Israel said to a fundamentalist Christian, if Netanyahu called Mike Huckabee and said, we're going to have to nuke Iran, he'd go, let's do it.

That's what Jesus wants. Let's do it. That's what Jesus would want, a nuclear war. So that's where we've gotten. We've gotten to the point- Jesus wants us to use the nukes. Where we have fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Israelis and fundamentalist Muslims on the other side, and everybody's playing this weird game, and-

Yeah, there he is. Boy, he looks old. Jesus. This is just hilarious if this is the freeze frame from the episode that we released. These guys stop dying their hair at some point in time and just say, oh, fuck it.

it. You know, like Stallone did? The best hat they have is the Shrimel. They wear it in Brooklyn. It's that big furry Russian hat. Oh, I love that hat. That hat looks sick. That is a sick hat. It looks like something out of Game of Thrones. Yeah, that's a hat. Like, I don't give a fuck what you think. I'm a member of the tribe, bitch. I got strings hanging from my belt. I got a... And I'm rocking a... I got a hat. A bear dick hat. Yeah, I mean, that's a pretty sick hat. Yeah, I like that hat. I think people can't get past the fact that, like... Yeah, look at that hat. That hat is the shit. What's that made out of?

Let's answer the question. Why do Orthodox Jewish men, where's Ari when you need him? That's a great point. Ari never had to wear one of those hats, though. No, but he looked good. Yeah. I got a ton of hats from different UFC fighters. Yeah. From like Dagestan and from Kazakhstan. I got a cool Kazakhstan hat from Shavkat Ramakram. It's a sick hat. That is pretty dope. It's an objectively sick hat. Why don't they wear it, Jamie? There was an article that just said it before that.

The fur one. If you go back, upper left corner. Upper left corner? Yeah. Jew in the City is the name of the website. Yeah.

God, I hope a Jewish person is running that website. Otherwise, they're going to get assassinated. The fur hat is known by the Yiddish name... How do you say that? Shrymo? Shrymo. Shrymo. Yeah. The Shrymo was adopted by Eastern European Jewish communities in the 18th century and coincided with the rise of Assyric Judaism. Technically, a Shrymo is one particular style of hat. There are others...

One that might be familiar on site is the Spodek. Oh, you fucking pop up ad, cocksucker. Enter your email. Which is taller and more cylindrical than a Strimal. A Spodek is a style generally favored by a Hasidic sex of Polish descent. To the casual observer, however, they're all Strimal. Strimal's made from a large piece of velvet surrounded by fur. Fur usually comes from the tips of the tails of sable, martens, or fox. Nice. Synthetic Strimals do exist. They're more common in Israel than elsewhere. Interesting.

Strymal can cost thousands of dollars, so it's not uncommon for a Hasidic man to own a second, cheaper strymal so that his main strymal will not be battered by the elements. Interesting. Yeah. Interesting.

It's a cool hat. Let everybody know you're part of the tribe. It's a fun hat. Maybe comedians need a thing that we wear. A hat? Yeah, like a thing that lets us know we don't give a fuck. Yeah. I like that Kanye West black Klan suit. That's dope. How about his giant swastika in diamonds? Have you seen that? What's funny is a jeweler made that. Oh, yeah. And a Jewish jeweler. Yeah. One fat Israeli Jewish guy made that. They probably give a significant markup. Yeah. Yeah, of course. I would. I'm going to give you a swastika.

Swastika tax? I would. It's only fair. Yeah, you need a tax. I think it's only fair. If you want a Jewish man to make a swastika, you've got to pay extra. People got to separate, you know, and I think this is not, I think people got to separate like governments from people, intelligence agencies from people. I think that's the whole thing. I think people are losing the ability to do that in this case, right? Because people, when you criticize Israel, you criticize something that may or may not have been done by a government or an intelligence agency, you're not criticizing people. Right.

Right. You're criticizing a group of people making decisions. I don't think America always does things that are in the best interest of the American people. Right. Well, this is the problem with when everybody sort of picks sides during the COVID thing, whether or not we should trust the vaccine companies.

because like You did it because you're on the left and the people on the right were the ones who didn't want to take it So instead of just looking at it objectively the people on the left were like everybody who doesn't agrees of a science denier and it got like really kooky cuz I got ideological and as soon as it's ideological you can fucking justify anything this is how

How Jewish Americans are justifying, well, Hamas uses people as human shields. Like, they'll say things like that. Like, it's a way you can justify mass murder. Yeah. It's a way you can justify anything. Anything. As long as the tribe on your side, whatever your clan is. Right. You can justify things. And so people stop thinking. They stop thinking and they just think...

completely along ideological lines. It's frustrating as fuck. It is. It is. And passionately. Yeah. Very passionately. They're right. You're wrong. No one is ever questioning anything. No. Why would they question science? No one goes, wait a minute. I think it's healthy to every now and then go, maybe I'm wrong.

Yeah, there was just something that got released today that showed, they just released today that showed that COVID-19 definitively came from that lab. Thousand percent. 100% proof it came from that lab. I read it, a little bit of it on the way here. Yeah, it's fucking nuts. Yeah.

It's nuts, man. It's nuts. These fucking people, they just got roped in to this group of criminals. And it was a completely man-made disease. 100%. And they knew that from the moment it happened. It leaked. The moment it happened. They know. And they just lied. And Fauci is just out there walking around. That's an interesting case when someone like that in that position...

repeatedly lied to people about the origins of that. Yeah. And is allowed to just be free. And faces zero consequences. Meanwhile, they were trying to put Trump in jail because he... Inflated the price of a condo. Which

He got an appraisal that was higher, and then they lied. Well, their appraisal was horseshit. They lied about it. Letitia James is now in trouble for the exact same shit? Really? You didn't see that? That makes sense. They're investigating her because she allegedly, according to Megyn Kelly, who I trust implicitly, allegedly went and got mortgages with her father, listing them as husband and wife. Yeah.

Yeah. On buildings. Right. Multiple times. And then also lied about the amount of bedrooms that were in a place. Right. Because if it's four bedrooms, you get one tax rate. If it's five. Right. So she lied. It was a five and she said it was a four. Right. Well, this is what they all do. So I think really the funny thing about all the cases that they brought against Trump, a lot of those cases were rooted in just politicized racism.

version of something that's pretty standard that a lot of people have done. Yeah, they always overvalue their properties. Always overvalue properties. And people get away with it. And it's not... It's not a crime. But here's the thing about the Trump thing. It's not something that... Is that all the people had been paid.

So not only was it profitable for the banks, he paid everything on time. The loan, there was no criminal. Like there's no crime. No one got victimized. Nothing happened. Right. They profited. Right. And then this crazy lady with a terrible past thought that she was going to be able to pull this off because she was on the team that she thought was going to win. Like think about putting all your eggs in one basket. Like they've got a bunch of morons.

It feels like you have, we're in some kind of cold war between two factions in American politics that are using courts and lawyers to go at each other. It's not a hot war. People aren't fighting in the streets, but it does seem to be, these parties seem to no longer view each other as different sides of the...

Same coin there seems to be especially when it comes to Trump. It seems to be like they cannot You know see him as anything other than an existential threat that has to be vanquished at any cost right and the problem with that is when you Deny good things and only highlight bad things that everybody knows it well you now you're playing a game and Your game is I never tell the truth. I tell you parts of the truth that I like yeah, and you gotta win that game. Yeah

Yeah. If you're playing that game, you're going to win. Yeah. If you do all these things, they have to work. And if Trump gets in office, even after he did all these things, well, now you're fucked. Then it's a problem. You know? It's like with JFK, they got him. Yeah. You know? Obviously not good, but they got him. And then that slammed the door shut. And then all their people came in and kept a cover up going on. I wish I really understood all this stuff that we talk about. Yeah. Because...

there's an argument that we haven't had a real president since JFK got shot. That's probably a good argument. And there's maybe arguments that we actually didn't have real presidents prior to JFK. Right. So what do you think is happening now then? Do you think that, I think you have these guys, right? So these guys that go into the CIA, they, they, they, they learn all about these underground, uh,

They have all of these different relationships all over the world. Right. Weapons meant, you know, weapons, drug running weapons, all of these different, you know, terrorist groups, crime syndicates. Right. Their job is to know what's

information about every government, all of the separatist groups that could potentially take over and become the next government. They have all of these connections. And then they either leave the CIA, they retire, or supposedly it never occurs to any of them to make a buck. That's the real question, right? It never occurs to any of these people that there might be a great way to make a buck and

Working with some of these people outside of Congress the White House all of that That's as it's been explained to me by pretty smart people That's what you have you have a rogue element of people in those agencies that have massive amounts of money right and they're very well connected and they're running weapons and

And the president has no idea what's going on. Right. And Congress has no idea what's going on. They're not briefing a teacher from Georgia who got elected because he promised he was going to build a fucking shopping mall in a suburb of Atlanta about what they're doing in Syria. Right. They're not briefing these people. There's nothing democratic about what's happening. And so then you think to yourself, you're like, well, how do we make sure everyone keeps their mouth shut?

How do we make sure everyone keeps their mouth shut? Cha-ching.

Then we go, not only money, but that's when we bring in Ghislaine Maxwell. That's when we bring in Jeffrey Epstein, right? That's when we bring in people who go, let's all have fun. We've got a great weekend getaway planned. And then we can all be on camera doing something that would get us thrown in jail, have people rightly disgusted and want to kill us. And the worst things ever are now on camera somewhere. Those tapes are somewhere.

Now everybody is completely incapable of ever coming out and saying what's going on. Yeah. And, you know, and then those people are running a parallel government. It's a parallel command structure. And that's a huge problem. And it was essentially completely in control for four years.

Probably for more than four. But for the last four, for sure. Thousand percent. That's the best example we've ever had of that. Thousand percent. That guy's never really running things. Thousand percent. There's no way they let him. And it's probably still in control to a certain degree now because it's very hard.

When you have something like that happening, it is very difficult to completely shut it down. Well, here's a perfect example that we know it's definitely running things because Trump is still trying to figure out why he got shot.

He was like, I want more information. There's no information coming to him. There's not going to be information. There's not going to be information. That's a crazy story. You should try to connect. If it's not America that did it, if it's not us, it's not intelligence agencies that did it, then it means a foreign government that hijacked this kid's brain and got him to climb on top of that roof. Somebody tried to get someone to assassinate a guy who was running for president, and no one seems to be interested in finding who that person or that group was.

who influences Kidd is. So many of these ex-intelligence chiefs pop up all over the world. They pop up in Dubai. They pop up on...

MSNBC. They love traveling. They're having meetings with people. They're all over the place. They love people. They love people. They love cultures. They love meeting different cultures. Yeah, the food's great. And supposedly I heard from someone who's, again, smart and I consider trustworthy that there's actually large sectors of the global economy that are moved more in this direction than you'd think. Like there are tentacles everywhere.

into very large investment banks and private equity companies that a lot of these guys have. Let's put it that way. Obviously, it's not a shocking thing. Why would the government let a private equity company operate with impunity? Right. Especially if they're controlling regulations and they're like, let's work together. There doesn't seem to be a good answer to any of this. That becomes the real issue. You ever get invited to these like...

fucking Illuminati conferences or any of these crazy things? No, they wanted me to do stand-up at one conference and it wasn't like an Illuminati kind of thing. It was like a, I don't know, it was like some type of like low-grade Illuminati. Yeah. That's how they start you. Like kind of faux Illuminati. That's like the minor leagues. Yeah. And then eventually you go to some weird ranch in the mountains of Wyoming. Well, that sounds nice. Maybe. Actually, it does sound nice. Maybe. No, I think that like it does seem weird that a lot of

Once you get to a certain level people take an interest in you that never were interested Mm-hmm, you know, oh sure for sure. Yeah, people are interested welcome my world. Yeah It is strange that people seem to care about you or what you're saying or People going I think you your read on that is wrong. I

And you're like, why do you care what it is? I'm a fucking guy with a talk, you know, microphone once or twice a week. Yeah, but they don't like that. They don't like people having influence that haven't been sanctioned. They don't like that. Yeah, they want all influence to be top down. All influence to be a part of a giant corporation. Yeah. That's what they want. They don't want influence to be just regular people. Regular people are fringe people.

They're far this or far that they're problematic there. They spew misinformation and dissent There's no one who spews more misinformation than CNN over the years How many times you guys just what you guys did over kovat if you were a podcaster you'd be shut down, right? Like if the podcasters were the one telling everybody to get vaxxed you get it you won't get you won't spread it You won't this you want that? There's no side effects

If podcasters are saying that, but the establishment news was saying, hold on, this is an experimental vaccine. We should not be asking women who are pregnant to take this. We should be not asking kids who are in no danger to take this. We do not know the long-term consequences. If podcasters were saying that...

Podcasters were on the government side instead of CNN. If CNN was the wise ones that told everybody to be cautious, they would want us prosecuted. They would be going after us for all the side effects that people are experiencing. You have blood on your hands. You're responsible for strokes and heart attacks and myocarditis and all sorts of autoimmune issues. You also have to think about how much easier it is for, let's say, an intelligence community to manipulate them than it is to come in here. An intelligence community is not going to go,

All they have to do is bring me to the UFOs. No, no, no. That's all I ask. For sure. You keep telling them that. Yes. That's all you have to do. What do you want me to do? It's very easy. We're going to go to war with Kosovo? I don't even know where Kosovo is on a map, but if you tell me where the UFOs are, I'll have a guy in here that explains why it's super important. But it is funny. It's like what they'd have to do is pick somebody, have them become a comedian, start a podcast, get an audit. Like it is difficult, right? Yes. Whereas if you work at a media company-

It's very easy to just some new guys there. Who's this? Right, right, right. You know what I mean? Somebody just shows up. Hey, Suzanne. Suzanne, run everything by Suzanne. Hey, how does this guy Bob Woodward? How does he get the most important? This is his first case. Lucky guy. He gets Watergate. Lucky guy. Wait a minute. What did he do for Navy Intelligence? Right. Lucky guy.

That Watergate thing is so funny. But I've been here for 30 years, Mike. Yeah, I haven't gotten anything. Shut the fuck up. Fuck you. Bob's taking this case. Bob's taking down Nixon, who keeps asking questions about what happened to Kennedy. Did you see when Bill Murray was here? I did, yeah. Did you see the thing that he said about Wired, the book? Yeah. Wait, which one? Wired is the book on John Belushi. He said, I read the first five pages and I was like, oh my God.

They set up Nixon. Oh, that's hilarious. They framed Nixon. That's so funny. That's what he said. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, if this is what they say, this is what the same guy said about John Belushi, which is 100% not true. Do you know John Belushi was a lightweight? Right. He would drink a couple of beers and he'd be fucked up. Right. He didn't have tolerance. He wasn't this maniacal coaxing. It was all lies. They don't care at all about getting any accurate information. That time that he died was probably the first time he ever did a speedball, according to Bill Murray. Wow.

Yeah. And Bill Murray was one of his best friends. Bill Murray knew. Bill Murray was like, I've known this guy most of my life. And then he goes, they framed Nixon. Right. And then I told him the whole story that Tucker Carlson had told me. Yeah. Which I was like, what? That it was all FBI agents. The whole thing was a complete sting. It was a sloppy burglary case.

Where they wanted to get caught, they traced it back to Nixon because Nixon was doing things they hated. Well, this is the thing that got Nixon on. I don't know if you know, but what they said to Nixon, they told, if Nixon was not guilty of the crime, but they told Nixon about the crime and then he helped them cover it up. That's how they got him. Right. But I mean, what is he going to do? Of course. He thinks this is on the legit. Of course. And you come to him with the crime, like, oh, Jesus Christ. Well, don't fucking tell anybody, Tim. Jesus Christ, Tim. What did you do? You bugged Cap City? Yeah. Correct.

Fuck. They had to get rid of him. Well, this is what we're going to do. We're going to throw our phones in the river. Yeah. Right. Right, right, right. Yeah.

Here's what happens now. Okay, okay, okay. How do we get out of this? Yeah. Where'd you put the bugs? Can we break in and take the bugs back? That's so funny. They'd be so flattered if we bug Cap City. That's awesome. Somebody told me last night that they hate us. I'm like, how do you hate me? I love you. I used to love the old Cap City. If you got headliners, Cap City. If you got headliners and you need them, I'll promote it. I'll promote it on Twitter. Yeah. And same thing with Moon Tower. They're mad at me too because I wouldn't have them at the club.

I'm happy to help you. I would be happy to help you. I just don't want you to book my club. Of course. That's all it is. My club is sold out every night. Yeah. And it's guys like you and Shane and Ari and all these. I don't want anybody else booking it. It doesn't mean that I don't support your cause. Of course. I just don't want you coming into my establishment. That's all it is. I want everybody to do well. There's five comedy clubs on my street. What you've done, I think, ultimately is good for the town.

You bring people into the town. The problem is when people used to be in control of comedy in the town and then all of a sudden they're not. And they used to be like the person that people would go to and now they're insignificant. Right. Yeah, I think a lot of people struggle with that, the idea of that, that they're losing control.

I think that seems to be the most, the angriest I've seen people online since the election that have railed against podcasts and they've railed against, they seem to be angry that they no longer have a monopoly on what people can hear. Exactly. And they still continue to lie and misrepresent people that do podcasts or people that have a different opinion say. Right.

And that's where it gets really stupid. You know, like they keep saying that, you know, when I had that Daryl Cooper guy on that, I'm bringing on a Nazi apologist and a Holocaust denier. Like that is neither of those things are true. Yeah, it's not true. And the guy doesn't just talk about that. By the way, his stuff about Jim Jones is fucking sensational.

You know Jim Jones was like a civil rights leader? Yeah. Jim Jones had an interracial child. I didn't know any of them. Yeah, Jim Jones was like, he had an adopted black child that he would take to school and everybody would be fucking furious at him in the town. Yeah. And he was like, he was a legitimate Christian, like a real, I believe in the teachings of Jesus Christian. One of the big things in America. Until you got Kuki on the map. Yeah, of course. The meth got him.

Yes. Listen, there are a lot of people questioning World War II for not good reasons, of course. It's like people that bring up the age of consent. You go, wait a minute. Hey. What's going on? What are you doing? There are people I think that do launder not great reasons for questioning World War II through whatever. However. No doubt. No doubt. There is a very interesting –

The teeth really come out, the gnashing of teeth come out in this country when you question at all the American war machine. Yes. And the pageantry of war and the...

you know, iconography of the state and of war and of how important it is and how just it always is and how we're always on the right side of it and we're always doing the right thing. And in World War II, we 100% were. But there are a lot of other times when we've made grave errors with our military. Yes. And I feel like it's not good enough for...

You can't just point to World War II, which is, again, we were correct. Yes. But I think there is this idea that if you... It's not an accident there's a million movies made about World War II. It's not an accident that there is a lot of pageantry surrounding World War II. Well, also that the World War II movies have heroes. Yeah.

Of course. Whereas the Vietnam movies are apocalypse now. That's right. Everything's complicated and it's all chaos. So I think that inspires the idea that a military solution is always correct and that the use of force is always the right way to do it. And that coincidentally makes people lots and lots of money and their children never end up fighting those wars.

That seems to be a lot of it. Now, that doesn't mean that there aren't people with bad motivations that are genuinely anti-Semitic or that genuinely have fascist inclinations or absolutely are. But I think there needs to be space to criticize the mythologizing of war in general.

and the justification for endless wars all the time. Yes. Like Iran. I hope Trump does not go into Iran. Yeah. That seems like a very bad idea. It also seems like a very bad idea for Iran to get nuclear weapons. That seems bad, too. Yes, but I think there's ways to prevent that without a regime change war. This is what we have to do. This is what Tulsi Gabbard, I think, was very attractive about a lot of what she said during her confirmation hearing. She goes, I understand that there are terrorists out there that are dangerous, but we got to find a way to deal with them without committing troops

To stand there in an Islamic country. We've done this. We saw this movie. It doesn't work out. And I think we have to stop thinking that it's going to be better this time. If we decapitate the head of a foreign government and we have American soldiers in an Islamic country trying to set up a provisional government. The nightmare of that during Iraq, Paul Bremer, this bastard.

weird British looking guy that they sent to stand on that rebel rubble with his boots and you know the mission accomplished on the aircraft carrier like it brings back like you know to me it's like I get flashbacks from it do you remember the guy who was the Iraqi public relations guy who was saying that they're winning the war

Was it Ahmed Chalabi? Well, no, that was the guy that fed us all the bullshit to get us in. No, no, no. It was the guy that people openly mocked. I believe he had glasses. And he was the guy that was always saying that Iraq is kicking ass. Oh, interesting. No. Yeah, Baghdad something or another they called him. And he was saying that we were doing good? No, no, no. Oh, that we were getting. No, no, no. He was saying that Iraq is kicking our ass. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, that's hilarious. I don't remember that. Baghdad something or another they called him. By the way, does anyone know what's going on in Iraq right now? Mostly flea markets. If there was a gun to my head, I could not tell you what the state of Iraq was. I know the Taliban are in Afghanistan. What's going on in Iraq? Listen, listen, listen. You hear that, Biddy? That's a gay guy that threw off a roof. Right, right.

So that's what we spent. That's a 20-year commitment or it was a very long time. Right. So that's like, I feel like that's the thing, that when you ever try to have a nuanced understanding of what we can and can't do, I don't think it's a great idea that Iran gets nuclear weapons. It seems like there are ways to prevent that. We're going to make ISIS in charge. Full-scale invasion. Yeah.

But don't we need these? Like, I think, like, I always look at these groups, like the Houthis and stuff. We need these people. 100%. We need them. And the Houthis are a fun one because they're, like, on the ocean and they're like pirates. LAUGHTER

This is new. They figured out that like land-based stuff's not as interesting. They're like, they're disrupting trade. You know how much of our trade goes through? It's 3%. Hey. 3%. Don't minimize that. Just like I don't want you minimizing the female astronauts. Yeah. But we need these Houthis. It feels like we need these groups. We had ISIS. We had then ISIL. Now, you know, we had the people in Syria. I forget their names, something. But we need these little groups.

And this is what we do. We just choose because all of these groups are not even they're just people hanging out. And then we give them weapons and get them going. They're just guys in a bar. A lot of these groups are guys in a bar. They have a hole in the ground. They're sitting a hole in the ground. And we show up and we start arming them and giving them stuff. And it's like it's like that Bill Hicks joke where it's like pick up the gun, you know, from a special. It's like.

Are the Houthis an existential threat to the United States? That feels crazy. The craziest thing was... Just feels insane. Trump showing the video of them getting bombed. Oh, yeah. It's so wild. We could kill... This is the problem. We could get rid of all of these threats in five minutes.

Yeah, but we don't want it. But we don't seem to want to. It's not good for business. No, we got to keep someone out there. It's like you can't come to a market every week. You'll burn it out. No, the Houthis are good. If you're doing stand-up, you got to go once a year. You got to go once a year, once every 18 months. And I like the Houthis because they feel it's like a new, but they're not sticking. No one's believing it. So now they're back to Hezbollah. Oh. Hezbollah wears the fatigues. Ooh.

If you get up Hezbollah, they're scary looking. The Houthis are not that scary. The Houthis look like a bunch of dudes in like a bazaar, like you said, like in a flea market. Right. They're on a boat. They're holding up guns. No one cares. Hezbollah looks genuinely like, okay, let's not fuck with these people. Well, it's like Shane's bit about the Iraqis or the Afghanis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Going through the fucking workouts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We think they're like an elite army. Oh, God, yeah. They couldn't do jumping jacks. They couldn't do anything.

But that's the whole thing. It's like, it's this weird global chessboard of like, we, you know, as someone said to me once that there's like a dial, you turn it up, you're like more war, less war, more war, less war. I'm going to some more conflict. Smelling salts are good for allergies. Have you gotten any of the allergies out here? No, I don't get it. First year of legitimately getting them. Cedar fever. I think you got to do cocaine. Allergy medicine too. Yeah. That's no fun. Yeah. Maybe Zyrtec or something. That's no fun.

What is it, the cedar? I don't know what it is. I think it's, people say cedar fever. But my nose has been running. Did you hear the story at all? Mark Hopper actually might have helped the military capture Saddam Hussein. What? So they were on a USO tour in 2003, and they got asked to come in and do like a private show. And he sat down, let's see if he doesn't hear.

Said, "Sir, I have a plan to catch Saddam Hussein," the musician recalled telling a Navy admiral on board the aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf. According to Hapas, Hussein had been sending video messages to his followers from an unknown location at the time. The musician felt that the military could use drones to their advantage and uncover his location by pulling data from the video messages.

Holy shit!

This is the guy from Blink-182? I think his dad was in the military. Someone was in something. He knew, yeah. Okay, this brings me back to that fucking Strange Times and Laurel Canyon shit.

Yeah. Four months later, Sodom was located and captured in Iraq, so you're welcome, everyone. What a great book. Well, not only the Tom O'Neill book, but then this Dave McGowan book, Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon. I lived up there when I was living in LA. I lived up there, and I'm telling you, that is the creepiest vibe of any area that I've ever been to in my life. It's a weird vibe. They have that fucking military installation, that lookout mountain. Jared Leto owns that. He lives there now. Doesn't he have a whole cult?

Okay. He's a good guy. I'm sure he is. I'm not saying it's bad to have a cult. They tried to investigate his cult. Sure. It turns out it's not really. It's just a bunch of people having fun. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that. And there's no requirements. No one asks you to fuck them. Nothing happens. It's a voluntary fuck cult. It's not even a voluntary fuck cult. It's just they get together and dance or something. I don't know what they do. What do they do? I lived there for three years. I didn't get one text. No.

I had not one. I used to drive by and point at it and go, look, it's the thing. What do they do? What does Jarrett Little's... It's like a summer camp. They call it echelon. Yeah. It's a summer camp. I used to go watch the band play close up. Oh, what the fuck's the problem with that, Tim? How about Tim Dillon Fest? I have no problem with that. It's basically skank fest. Just a bunch of people eating shellfish in Long Island being racist. Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely. I have no issue with that at all. What a fun time, though, for us. Yeah. Because everything's just... I mean, there's so much stuff to talk about. Everything's nuts. Nothing makes sense. Do you think... You know, I was on the All In podcast the other day, and they were talking about...

these chips, these Nvidia chips and how what's interesting is people are setting up because we have these export controls that don't allow us to send certain chips to China because they're able to like manipulate them and then become like the world's largest semiconductor producer. But now all these fun fake companies are starting in like Bhutan.

or Cambodia and they're buying the chips or Singapore and then they all get back to China. Well, one of the guys who worked at whatever the preeminent AI system in China was saying, one of the whistleblowers was saying that they have 50,000 of these fucking banned chips. That's so wild. Whoopsies. And so they were talking about like is it better to send them the chips or is it better to, if you don't send them the chips then it spurs their innovation and they make the chips.

Well, either way, they're going to get the chips. Yeah, they're getting the chips. They're both innovating and stealing at the same time. Can there be anything done to stop their rise? Nah, not at this point. Doesn't feel like it, right? They're so much more technologically advanced in so many different areas now. Like the drones that they have are so superior to the commercial drones that we have because drones over here, you have to have a pilot's license to drive the really spicy ones.

Do you think some of those drones over New Jersey were theirs? Could be. I think they were ours. I honestly do. Otherwise, I think they would have shot them down if they could. I don't know if they could. And maybe they wouldn't because then it would alarm people because then you would show that that is a legitimate threat. We're fighting for satellite supremacy in the sky, too. That's crazy. Crazy.

the internet the Starlink I mean essentially Elon's launching Starlinks all over the fucking world do you worry at all about the tech people being Democrats up until five minutes ago

Yeah, you should. But I think a lot of those people have shifted sides. They've shifted sides because they understand that. Well, you know, I had Marc Andreessen in here and Marc Andreessen was explaining. He said the most terrifying meetings we ever had was when we were part of an AI startup and the government came in and said, we're not going to let you do this. Not only are we not going to let you do this, we're not going to let anybody do this. We're going to have a small amount of these things we're going to completely control.

Yeah. He was like, what the fuck? Like, you guys are really openly saying this. Yeah. That you're going to inhibit innovation at the highest level of technology. Some shit that you probably don't even understand. But you want to have absolute control over it. I think the worry is that people don't trust the government, nor should they. But I don't know if they trust these tech guys either. You shouldn't. Yeah.

You shouldn't. Look what's going on with open AI. That's the whole thing. I think that people are wary of the tech people because they've now – these were the same people that were censoring and kicking people off the internet when the people in the White House were blue. Right. And now that the people in the White House are red, they are – it's swung back the other way. Exactly. So I think people are a little wary of that. Yeah. They don't know where that goes. It's just power. It's just – I mean –

Bernie Sanders is right in that you should be scared of oligarchs, and oligarchs shouldn't be running our government. He's right in that regard. And when people get into positions of just unchecked power... So let's say if someone had control of some tech company. Let's say it's an AI company, and that AI company literally...

creates the unstoppable AI that helps empower the entire country. And this one guy's in control of it and he's worth $3 trillion now. And he decides to lobby and change a bunch of laws and influence politicians. And his company starts donating to certain politicians. You could change the fabric of society with enough money and enough power and enough influence. Yeah.

especially if you could completely control what the narrative is. Right. In terms of like when people Google things, when they search things, when they talk about things, you can completely control what they're allowed to talk about and how that narrative gets countered instantly with facts and bullshit. Yeah. Well, it's being done everywhere, right? So it's being done at the highest levels. And I think people are uncomfortable with...

Just losing even though a lot of them realized that we didn't have a ton of control They feel like I think when you head into the world of tech where people just don't even know right where this goes Where does it go? Is it good at transhumanism? Does it go to like AI replacing everybody and then at what point?

What do you do with those people that AI replaced? Do you give them all cryptocurrency that's linked to their biological whatever? I've heard all these ideas, right? Like how do you deal with driverless cars where the entire road is automated? How do you deal with that? I think that fills people with an anxiety where they go, what is the plan? And a lot of these tech guys are like, well, we've got to get off the planet.

And I think people start going like, wait a minute. That's Weinstein. Eric Weinstein. Well, that's a lot of people. That's a lot of people saying that. I don't know what you're saying. There's a lot of people. There's no air on Mars. Let's not go there. Yeah. Well, for sure. For sure. Do you think Trump and Musk will have a falling out eventually? I don't know. It's a good question. The media keeps trying to push that they are.

It feels like they're just big personalities in that there's an inevitability when you have two guys that are incredibly, you know, alpha. Perhaps, but Elon is very smart, and you see he's always very deferential. Yeah. And he's always very respectful. Mr. President, it's always that. Well, of course. Call him sir. That's how I treat him. I always call him sir. Yeah.

It's Donald Trump. Yeah, I get it. You're fired. I get it. But he's also the president of the United States. I call him sir. But I call everybody sir. Yeah. I call everybody sir. Yeah. It's like the byproduct of me living in Texas now. Right. Sure. Yeah. But I don't know if they're going to- You don't get pulled over anymore here. And if I do, it's not that big of a deal. If you get pulled over here, a cop gives you money.

They go, Mr. Rogan, here's a check. I mean, there's no way. There's no law that you cannot break here. I'm guaranteeing you. I don't think that's correct. I think you could do a lot. I think they would cover up a murder. That's sweet. If you murdered three people, I think the awesome PD would go, whatever, man. He's doing a lot. They'd bring that mayor, that guy, and he'd go, what? They'd go, yeah, the suspect's Joe Rogan. He was standing over the bodies. They'd go, are you out of your fucking mind? Drive him home right now.

Drive that man home if I was in waist deep in a rainy street. Oh, yeah drowning a partygoer. I don't care Bro they still don't want to admit that there's a serial killer or the tourism board. Um, yeah, no there there's something's up There's a serial killer something's going on. I believe there's a serial killer What are they doing? They're luring people to that bridge and then yeah, it's not hard people like to write a bridge. Oh

Just got to look out for the bushes. So weird. I guess it's such a high to kill someone. To me, I'm like, what do you get out of it? But I guess the people that are doing it like it. They're broken. There's broken people. Some broken people do meth and some broken people drown guys who like to party. Do you ever talk to like, I'm sure you have. This is a stupid question, but like the high level law enforcement guys that have just met these monsters and stuff. Oh, yeah.

And is there, do they believe that it's like, is there any part of them that believe someone's just born? Yes. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. And it's generally, you have psychotic parents. Yeah.

And so whether it's nature or nurture is hard to separate because you're probably abused. And generally at an early age, they show like a willingness to torture like house pets and stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. They'll maybe start off with a frog they catch and stick like a firecracker in its mouth and stuff like that. And then they eventually work their way up to humans. Now it seems so much harder to do it because of these phones, surveillance. Yeah.

It is, but it's... You can still do it. Not in Austin. You can get away with drowning folks. You can drown people. Why don't you think they'll admit it? They don't want people getting spooked? That's a good question. That's a good question. Maybe I'm wrong. I mean, one of the biggest things ever in Austin were those crazy yogurt shop murders. HBO just came out with a documentary about it. When was that? It was many years ago. This crazy yogurt shop murder thing. HBO just did a doc. Happened in Austin. It was like a famous...

And it's completely unsolved, except they put some people in jail for it, but then later let one of them out. Like, it was just one of those things where nobody was sure about what happened. So they were murdering people that went to the yogurt place? It was 1991. And just south by southwest, they just did a huge... Oh, it was one homicide. A quadruple homicide which took place at, I can't believe it's Yogurt Shop in Austin. That could have been me in 1991.

It's 34 years ago. 34 years ago. It's an underbelly. 14 girls were murdered in Austin. Wow. 14, yeah. Wow. And they don't know who did it? And it's puzzled. They don't know. It's an unsolved murder. I'd check the boyfriends. And there's many different theories about it. That's crazy. Four men were arrested and charged with capital murder in 99, but two of their cases were overturned. The other two never went to trial.

Interesting. So there are these things that happen. Oh, yeah. Well, that's what they say, that if you just randomly shoot someone and kill them, like if you're a real, real like rando, like did you ever see that movie Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer? No. It was about a guy named Henry Lee Lucas. Oh, wow. Yeah. And Henry Lee Lucas was attributed, they attributed like 62 murders to him.

The problem is I think one of the things cops do is they go, did you kill this guy? Yeah, I killed him too. Where'd you bury him? Where was he buried? Oh, that's where I buried him. Oh, right. That kind of thing. Now you got a case solved.

That was the accusation about Henry because he was definitely a murderer and a grifter and a drifter and he was traveling around the country stealing things. But then they made a movie about him and in the movie he's way more sinister and calculated. But he would just randomly kill people. So they all take credit for things they didn't do. Exactly. To just beef up the body count. Exactly. Self-aggrandizing. Because that's what they want. They want attention. They're already in jail. That's so wild. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. When you have shitty DAs and shitty prosecutors and shitty cops, they'll do stuff like that. Do you think that there are people that are – you know, National Park seemed to be like a hotbed of people disappearing. Yeah, Appalachian Trail people.

Yeah. Do you think that's people getting you or is that a lot of it? Like I got lost. I got eaten. You get lost. Yeah. You get eaten. There's a guy who has this whole series for one. Is it nine one one missing or four one one missing people in national parks? Listen, man, you're just meat out there.

and you get eaten. And by the way, you don't find dead anything out there. You don't find dead mountain lions. Guess what? They die all the time. I've never seen a dead mountain lion when I was hunting. Because they get eaten. They get eaten. Everything gets eaten. Not only do you get eaten, your bones get eaten. Everything gets eaten. So it's not uncommon to disappear and there's no trace. No trace. Yeah. Yeah, super common. So if you're in a high traffic area, like I've...

I've found elk bones where a hunter killed the elk and then, you know, took all the meat off the bones and then left the bones there. That's what you do when you pack out meat. Yeah. And I've found those animals. I actually even found one animal that I shot a long time ago. I shot like four years ago. And you found it? Yeah. We were in the same location. It was the same bones. There wasn't all the bones there left. Some of them had been dragged away. Some of them had probably been eaten by rodents and

They eat the bones, slowly but surely. And if you're a human, you're made out of nothing. You're so easy to eat. Our bones are less dense. Our meat is soft and chewy. We get devoured. A bear would eat your whole body. There would be almost nothing left. And rodents would eat what's left. You've got to be careful.

Yeah. In those places. You can't be careful. Yeah. Like, if you don't have a GPS navigation system that has a lot of batteries, if you don't have a compass and know how to use it, if you don't have a map, it's so easy to get lost in the woods. Right. It's so easy. Yeah. They're all around you, and you can go in one direction and circle around. You don't even realize you're circling. Right. And then three days later, you're back to where you started. You're like, fuck it.

Yeah, it's terrible. You've been eating tree bark for three days. It's insane. And you're thinking, any step I'm going to see the highway. What a horrible thing. People die like that.

All the time. All the time. Just go to a hotel. It's very difficult to navigate yourself. Just go to a resort. If you don't know the woods, you're not used to being in the woods, and you're not used to having landmarks that you follow and know how to use a compass, know how to use a GPS. Some people are good at it, and even they get eaten. Yeah, they get eaten too. Well, you break your ankle. Right. How about you break your ankle out there, and you can't hike out.

It's not possible. Right. What do you do? Yeah. You fucking die. That's what you do. Got to be very careful. And then you hear something at night. You're sleeping under a tree and you hear something at night. Right. Right. Right.

You had a bear sniffing you. It's crazy. You can't run away and you don't have a weapon. You can't do anything. It just eats you alive. And those woods are so dense in the Pacific Northwest and stuff like that. I mean, everywhere, but- Especially the Pacific Northwest. Especially there, it's like crazy. Yeah, you don't find nothing out there. But that's why the Bigfoot rumor persists up there.

It's because the woods are like a box of Q-tips. Right. You know, like you can't see shit out there. You don't know what the hell's going on. You see like a little shadow moving in between trees and you've decided it's a Bigfoot. Right. Yeah. But it's just like... A bear. It could be, right. Yeah, it's most likely a bear. Especially bears walking on two legs. Northern California is weird like that too. I mean, that's part of the Pacific Northwest probably. Yeah, you get killed up there. Yeah. People die up there all the time. Did you ever see that documentary Sasquatch? No. It's a documentary that was on... Was it on Hulu, Jamie? Yeah.

We had the director in it, the guy who created it. It was awesome. And what it's really about is about marijuana growers murdered a guy and then blamed it on Bigfoot. Wow. So these marijuana growers in Humboldt, like up that area. Yeah, Murray Mountain. So they all were hippies, right? And then they started growing weed and then cartel people moved in and gangs moved in and they started robbing these people. So these people became heavily armed.

And so then they started having wars with like the growers and cartel people. And so there was these people that were trying to steal from them. They murdered these people and then they blamed it on Bigfoot. They like ran over him with a fucking backhoe and crushed his body. These hippies are really violent. Oh, they get violent once it's money. These hippies are junkies and, you know, like this whole hippie thing I think is kind of a lie. Well, they all become people with money. Right. If you're growing weed. You become a multimillionaire who's carrying a sidearm.

Okay. And you're going to protect your money. And then these people are trying to kill you to take your shit. So then you're like fucking Jason whatever his name is in Ozark. Right. Jason Bateman. Jason Bateman. Right. And now you're a drug dealer.

That's so funny. It's so funny, the weird marijuana where it's federally still illegal, but states, it's legal in certain states. And there's that gray area where there's just like, you have half of that business is in the shadows and half of it's, and people make lots of money. It's strange. Well, not only that, because California made it legal, they also made it a misdemeanor to grow it illegally. So what happens is these cartels started growing it on national forest land.

And so then game wardens started finding it. There's a guy named John Norris who's been on the podcast before. He wrote a book called Hidden War. Yeah. And it was all about he was a game warden and he became a part of a tactical crew that was busting cartel members who were heavily armed growing marijuana in national forests. That's crazy. Yeah. Because most of the illegal weed that's been sold all over the country was being grown there.

So in the places where it is illegal, they grow it where it's legal. And if they get busted, it's just a misdemeanor. So it doesn't matter. And they're not going to deport anybody because California is a sanctuary state. Right. So it doesn't matter how many acres and acres of weed. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. And so because it's federally illegal, it's just like when there was the prohibition that propped up organized crime. Same thing. You've just propped up illegal businesses to sell something that has a demand that normal. Do you think weed is going to be federally legal?

If I had to guess, not during this administration. Yeah. No, I don't think... It feels like a lot of the experimental harm reduction policies in places like Portland are going the other way. Well, they went a little crazy in a place that was already crazy. Yeah, they had a woman driving around shooting people up called the stabbing wagon, and she was like, if somebody needed a fix, she'd pull up and give them clean needles and stuff. Is it really called the stabbing wagon? It was called the stabbing wagon. For real? Yeah, because you're stabbing. And if you're just tweeting...

No, this is like a way to help. Oh, Portland. This was a way to help people. Oh, Portland. And people would just be chilling and like, hey, I need a couple of clean needles. So this woman would just show up. There'd be like a bunch of junkies hanging out. She'd show up. She'd hop out of the stabbing wagon with a bunch of clean needles, hand them out. People like, fuck yeah. Good to see you. Oh my God. And she's like, fuck yeah. Hope you're all doing good. And they're like, well, you know how it is. Oh my God. And the problem was that didn't work.

Not only did it not work, it encouraged people to move there to shoot up. Yeah, actually that's true. So people started moving there because they're like, this is actually a pretty good deal. They don't care if you live on the street and there's this bitch in a van that shows up with clean needles. And they give you money. Yeah, and whatever you need. They give you free money and food. Yeah. Yeah. Here it is, the stabbing wagon. Stabbing wagon. Harm reduction. No, I mean it's real. She only has 4,000 followers. That's fucked. Hit that follow, Jamie. Hit a little follow on her.

There you go. Look at the stab. There's a stabbing wagon. Well, at least she's healthy. It's a stabbing wagon. Okay. Makes sense. So at the end of the day, it's like that seems like a good way to combat drug use is to have a van of drugs. That van got a $1.5 million grant. Did you see that? Did you see that in the previous article? Of course. $1.5 million grant. Well, because they're trying to help people. Get high. They're trying to help people get high in a safe way. Bro, where'd she park that van?

That's what I need to know. I mean, it's a good question. She probably lived in the burbs and then came in and then did what she needed to do. She doesn't look like a burbs lady. Well, that's a good point. Well, you know those weird, the north, those specific northwest suburbs, a lot of them aren't,

My burbs. The ones that I like. Very odd. Those people are... It's different. They're like people that live outside of Chernobyl. Yeah. They're forever changed. It's different. There's not a lot of sun up there. Something's going on. Bad DNA damage. What was funny is there was a big article where they were like, yeah, this is actually... What's crazy is you read about those cities, right? Like Portland and San Francisco. They'll do the craziest thing ever and then two years later they'll start going like, yeah, this just is not having the results that we thought it would have. Like,

Like this is drug use is up. Crime is up. Violence is up. So Santa Monica now is doing a curfew because there's been violent crimes at night. No way. They're thinking about doing a curfew in Santa Monica. So again, because Santa Monica is thinking about doing a curfew because there's like violent crimes. So instead of just going like, hey, we got to throw these people in jail. Like it's nine o'clock. Go home.

This is California. This is the biggest economy in our country, and they're thinking of having a curb because they're all out of ideas on how to stop people from being victims of violent crime. Bro, I got friends who can't sell their houses there. No, it's bad. I'm glad I sold my house when it did. Nobody wants to buy houses there anymore. Nobody wants to buy houses there. They're like, we're getting out. Everybody who's not out is at least thinking about it. Uber rich people are...

a lot of them are just keeping their houses because they can't get the money they want. So like people that are like in Bel Air, those crazy things, right? Right. Beverly Hills, Bel Air, these behemoths. Yeah.

They're just kind of like, just leave it. You got to hope that there's some crazy celebrity rapper guy, like Kendrick Lamar decides to buy a mansion. You know what I mean? If you're selling a $70 million house, you have five people that will buy it. You also got to hope that they elect Rick Caruso and he goes around California in a tank. Yeah.

With a bunch of guys in bazookas and it's like the craziest thing you've ever seen, that's all you can hope for. You need like a Rudy Giuliani type character. Yeah, I mean, you need Sergeant Slaughter from the old WWF. I mean...

You need a fully fascist. You need a guy to run as a fascist. When they go, are you a Republican? He goes, no, no, no, no, no. I am a fascist. This is a military dictatorship. You need four years of a military dictatorship in California to just turn it around, to just start steering it the other way. Well, it's moving red. That's one thing that you saw by the electoral map from 2024. California is moving red. Yeah, it's going red. Yeah.

Yeah. There's only so many times you can wake up in a $4 million house with a gun in your mouth before you start thinking differently.

About it, you know, they were trying to pass laws Where they're they're deciding how much violence is enough violence if someone breaks in your house like yeah shoot him too many times right, you know, no it's middle of being terrified They will always take the side of the people that are trying to destroy civilization Do you always do you think always when you don your tinfoil hat and and velcro the chin strap and

Do you think that this is a grand plan to destroy civilization? I think what you have I don't know if it's a grand plan But I think what you have is you have two things that are happening simultaneously you have the people the very the last people that seem to want to be in politics are people that believe in like nothing they're like empty suit and

Gavin Newsom types who just really don't seem they just whatever room they're in. Wait a minute. Have you seen his podcast? Yeah. Well, that proves my point. That proves my point now. Right. He's a believer. So now he's like, oh, things are going right. I'll go to the right. Things are going to the left. I'll go to the left. So you have like these people that just don't they will not like Sanders or Trump, whatever you think about them.

They're not going to like quote stand on business. They're not going to tell people here's where I'm at. This is the way I feel. They're just empty vessels. And then at the same time you have that happening, you have the craziest people in the world that somehow have gotten hold of a ton of money and a ton of influence on social media. And those empty suit politicians are like scared of these lunatics who

That believe the craziest things you've ever heard. So these politicians are just like taking edicts from these crazy people online who tell them that we need the stabbing wagon and we need all this stuff. I don't know how that happened, that somebody should look at that, how that happened and study it. And I think it's a lot of these politicians are deeply corrupt.

And I think they're terribly afraid of whatever corruption they're involved with coming to the surface. And it could be personal in their personal life. It could be with the state. I think, you know, the mismanagement of money, of resources, all of that stuff. So if I was a really corrupt politician, I would just do the craziest left wing shit.

So that I could never be accused of anything. Good move. And I would just let them do whatever the hell they want. I'd go, yeah, well, fuck it. We got a new law that says they got to draw blood in your house from you before you can defend yourself. We need a rapper.

Yeah. Rappers are the last people in this country that can kind of get away with almost anything. Well, rappers are honest. A lot of them, even though they might lie about how much money they have and stuff, there's a certain honesty to that genre of music. Clearly, you can go too far like P. Diddy. You can go too far. But he wasn't super honest. He seemed to be concealing a bit. He seemed to be. Yeah. Do you think he was working for somebody?

Or working with somebody? Or do you think it was all his own personal black guy? If the CIA was like, we can't really, we don't really know anything about this world of like, you know, that's not what we do. We're like a bunch of Harvard guys and we have these fucking weirdos that we know about how to get in with our people, but we need someone who was like a black guy to do it. It could have been P. Diddy. But didn't all the accusations come out after he was involved in a lawsuit with Ciroc?

Like he was trying. That's what people said, yeah. Yeah, that's where it gets interesting, right? Yeah, I mean, it's going to be- You got to be very careful when you start fucking around with people's billions. Big, powerful billionaires are probably their own governments, right?

So, I mean, when you run afoul of them, I think there's many ways at which they can get you. Also, they feel like they pay so much money for taxes. I think that's a lot of these intelligence agencies are working for those people. They're not, I think, on their own. There's big money there.

To be made and there's a lot of the people that own these companies and have been rich for a very long time and who aren't you know on reality TV and you don't really know who they are but they like some of them are on the Forbes list some of them aren't some of them are just incredibly wealthy and they've made their money in ways that you could barely understand and those are people that you know are the reason historically that the CIA is going into Latin America and overthrowing government so that United Fruit

can, you know, have a monopoly, right? It's like this is so they're doing things at the behest of these ultra wealthy families that control huge industries. Sure. And they always have. I mean, that's back to Smedley Butler's. That's right. Racket thousand percent. That was 1933. He wrote that or something. And that's the way the whole thing seems to be organized. Yeah. And always has been.

We're just learning it now. You know, that's all the difference. But it is falling apart now because some of their kids are doing stand-up comedy. No, literally. I mean, there are people, they're young in New York and they're just like, their parents are some of the wealthiest people in the world and these kids are like doing stand-up, which is a terrible sign for the empire. Yeah.

That's not a great sign for the empire, is that a guy that would have taken over his dad's business is doing dick jokes. Well, he probably has a trust fund, so he probably has a safety blanket and sees we're having fun. He's like, I want to have fun. For sure. I want to be like my dad. Yeah. Have a fucking heart attack when I'm 49. That's right. But we need them doing that, some of them. Having heart attacks? Yes. Yes.

Everyone can't be a clown? There is something deeply unhealthy about the Illuminati doing stand-up. I don't love that idea. Unless they're using ChatGPT, how good could their material be? It's not ideal. It can't be. It's a lot of crowd work. And even if they do use ChatGPT, ChatGPT has not shown any ability to really craft a good joke yet. It's just funny to meet some of these people and then you talk to them and they'll casually drop that they're like, you know...

their parents like billionaires and you're like that's awesome man and they're just doing bar shows it's kind of interesting and they're nice people but just to pull out and look at it from a sociological standpoint it says something about people's idea the future that these people just like want to be famous now how many of them are there

That's more than you'd think. Really? Yeah. And it's a New York thing? Yeah, it's a lot of rich people live there. And I'm talking about mega rich. Like not like, hey, my dad's a successful whatever. I'm talking about like, whoa. Billions. Big money. Yeah. Where you go, interesting. And then the kids don't have any pressure to do anything. The kids kind of float around and they're doing. It's just very funny. It's something that makes me laugh. It's just like a billionaire kid on stage looking at someone in the audience going, what do you do for a living?

A lot of crowd work, huh? Yeah, what do you do for a living? Maybe this is the first time they've met people that aren't billionaires. That could also be a thing. This might be a way to just socialize Illuminati kids. They've met their housekeepers before. Maybe they asked them, like, what should I talk about on stage? Well, yeah, I mean, they have... And what's funny is, like, they have parties in their big houses and bring their other comic friends who are bums. You know, young comics. I mean, we're all bums. So then, like, the parents are like, hello, hello.

And they bring in like a bum and they go, this is my buddy. And then, you know. He's stealing from the buffet. He's just like staring at them going, whoa, this place rocks. It's like a sitcom. Yeah. And they're like, these are my friends. And I think the parents are kind of like, oh, well, isn't that nice? Mm.

Maybe it's a phase. I think the parents look at it like they're going through a phase. That's interesting that there's more than one of them doing stand-up. It says something about that group of people that used to run everything. They have a dearth of purpose in their life.

They're kind of aimless and they float around. I don't mean specifically, you know, rich comedian kids. I just mean like that ruling class, what are they doing now? They don't really have a purpose. They kind of float around. They try to this new age spirituality bullshit. They travel all over the place. You look at any of these rich kids, Instagrams, all they're doing is traveling. It's all the same shit. We'll go here, go there. There's no purpose. You know, I,

I think they don't feel like America's has a defining mission. Like if you look at families like the Kennedys, the Bushes, whatever you think about those families, they served in the military. They believe that there was some type of arc of history that they were a part of. I feel like a lot of rich people now just kind of don't believe in much of anything. And it's just kind of like,

I don't know. They're bored. They start a fake company. Well, if your whole focus is just making more money, how much time can you spend believing in things? Right. That's going to take away from your ability to earn. Yeah. I think that's one of the big problems now. And that's why I think you saw a lot of people get crazy on the left and they started instituting all these weird virtue things.

you know, these purity tests and stuff like that is because I think they feel a lack of meaning and they wanted to give them... A lot of them wanted self-flagellation and, like, they wanted the tenets of religion. They wanted meaning. They just don't have it. Exactly. So I think that's what happens with a lot of them. And their kids are nice people. They're not bad people. It's just funny to see, like...

Because most people who do comedy, a lot of them aren't poor. A lot of them are like middle class people because they have like the ability to go and at least think it's an option. Right. But it is funny when someone goes, I'm doing comedy and I'm the scion of great wealth. Right.

Scion's a great word. It's an interesting thing to me just because I've always been fascinated with rich people and these people that run the world. And it's so interesting that some of their kids are like, I'm going to do stand-up comedy now. When was the first time you met a really rich person? How old were you? I met a couple of mafia people that my dad used to play music, so they owned some bars. But-

They weren't super rich. I would observe them because my uncle was the director of operations for all these restaurant groups in New York City, this restaurant group in New York City that had these big high-end steakhouses. And I would go, and one of them was on 63rd and Park. And I would sit in this steakhouse with my parents. I was probably eight or nine years old. And you'd look around. And I said to my dad once, I was like maybe 10 or 11. And this is a weird thing to say to a 10 or 11-year-old. I was like, who are these people? My dad goes, these people run the world. I was just very fascinated by all these like

people that were so different because in Long Island where I came from, everyone was loud and fighting all the time. And my best friend, Josh, who lived two houses down from me, his mother, Eileen, would scream at his father in the front yard. And he was like a conductor for the railroad. And she would just go, why didn't you do it? And then you would go to Manhattan. And a lot of these restaurants that my uncle had, you'd see these kind of quiet people. And they were all very well-dressed and they were in suits.

And, you know, in Manhattan, they live in these stone townhouses like, you know, Epstein did. They live in these little mini stone townhouses. And I was just fascinated. I was like, it's very interesting. These people are interesting. What are they up to type of thing? Right. And then you start reading about them. And, you know, it is just super interesting. Yeah.

Because they're a very big reason why society looks the way it does. 100%. You know? And that to me was an interesting thing. It's like, why are certain people in certain positions? What role do the politicians play? And what role do these really quiet rich people play? Yeah. That are kind of waspy and could be Jewish, could be anything. They're just kind of like, you know, they're quiet. They don't really want you to know too much about them. They really value their privacy. So it's funny with the kids doing stand-up comedy to me.

And even these rich people that go on these reality shows, it's interesting that it used to be sacrilegious, the idea that you would show people how much money you had or that you would talk about yourself. And a lot of that started to change. Like a lot of these rich people just want to be famous. It almost feels like it's the last thing left.

Well, most young kids today, when they ask them, what do you want to be? A giant percentage of them say famous. They want to be an influencer. They want to be a TikToker, a YouTuber. Right.

They want to be famous because why would you want a job like your parents have when you could just open sneakers? Yeah. Open. So I'm going to do an unboxing show. That's a good point. Yeah. Like, why would you want a regular job? Yeah. Regular jobs are soul sucking, especially where it's one thing if you have a career. Sure. One thing you start your own business. It's something exciting. There's another thing to be working for somebody working for somebody is horrible for the most part.

It is, but I think people can derive enjoyment from things outside of their jobs. Sure, but that leaves you one-third of your day that's been eaten up. Yes. You have one-third of your day for sleep, one-third of your day that's been eaten up by this bullshit job. Yeah. And then the remaining hours between commutes and whatever the fuck you eat all has to be wrapped up in- It is. I get it. I totally get it. If you're a young kid, you go on YouTube, you go, I want to be David Dobrik.

I don't want to be David Dobrik. He's like a big guy on YouTube. Oh, okay. He does, I don't know. He's like a Mr. Beast type. He's not as big. Mr. Beast is like a planet. Yeah. But Dobrik's big, you know, or whoever. Like they look at these young, and they entertain like younger people. He does fun videos about like, hey, whatever. I don't know that.

You know, it's always the same. It's like, what if I fill the pool with M&Ms? Whatever. You know, it's like that type of thing. Right. It's not like the Ukraine deep dive or whatever. It's a fun, like, goofy thing. And kids look at that and go, well, that guy's making a lot of money. He has a great car. He's got a hot girlfriend. He lives in a big mansion. I want to be that guy. Of course. But I think they missed the idea that that guy works really, really hard. Right. Like, that's the thing that I think people don't understand about these social media people.

They do have a crazy constitution in terms of like how much they post, how hard they're working. Now you might say, okay, the stuff they do is ridiculous or silly or not valuable. And I might agree on a lot of those things, but they are always putting it out. Yeah, they're showing up. They're always showing up. Yeah. If you want to compete in any market, anything, no matter what you do, there's a certain amount of work you have to put in. The idea that it's easy.

Like there's got to be some reason why most of them don't rise to the top. Right. What is it? How do you feel that? Can you teach people to work hard? I'm sure you can. What do you think? Because I've seen so many people that are super talented, but they for whatever reason, they're not.

That muscle of working hard or the dedication to it. I think generally it has to be established early in your life. And if you don't establish that early in your life, it's not a thing that you gravitate towards. You don't recognize that, oh, hard work equals results. If you get lucky, you do sports. Because sports make you physically uncomfortable. They test your will.

You know, if you're a marathon runner and you got to get up every day and do those fucking miles like that will test your will. You know, if you're doing track and field or football or anything you're doing where it's a lot of work, like and then you realize I've gotten better because of all this work. And if I work harder, maybe I could be the starting quarterback. Yeah, I work harder. Maybe. And that's that's a real factor for young kids. I think getting them into any sort of difficult physical endeavor.

Whatever it is. Competitive physical endeavors make you understand. That's why I thought that show Dance Moms was good. That fat woman who screamed at those kids and demanded greatness and would make them cry. I thought that was good. You never saw Dance Moms? It's a great show. This woman, Abby Lee Miller, she screamed at these young kids. And one of them became Jojo Siwa. So it's not like there was any damage done. And...

You know, I think it's good. I like to see greatness demanded of children. This lady, look at her hair. Watch this woman. You will jump higher, you will turn faster. That's right. You're not just preparing for a dance competition every weekend. We're preparing for you to become stars in Los Angeles. How does that bitch know how to be a star in Los Angeles? Look at her. She can't get a seat at Roscoe's.

By the way, I guarantee you she can get a seat at Roscoe's. Really? That's the one place she can get. If you saw her, you wouldn't sit her in Roscoe's? The first thing, I would kick someone out for her in Roscoe's. But yeah, it is interesting that a lot of these kids now, they just look at...

You know the followers and sure how do you feel about your apparent? Do you do you when the Jonathan Haidt book comes out and goes we should get rid of phones for kids until they're 16 Does that make sense or not really you know because you alienate your kids look It's a new world that they have to learn how to navigate and if they don't learn how to navigate until they're 18 They're at a huge disadvantage. They got to understand that it's just people talking and

But there's a lot of pressure. Like, for young girls, it's the worst, huh? Yeah. Because they're comparing themselves to all these other girls. You're seeing a rise in...

Eating disorders self-harm suicide Suicide ideation and it's a lot of it is like they get depressed comparing their life to other people And when you're young and you don't understand you're 13 You don't get how your mind works and you're just sad every time you open up your Instagram app And you don't look anything like these ladies who don't look anything like that either right, which is really crazy right? You know and your head is filled with all of this. Yeah unhealthy

Thoughts I kind of got off social media for the most part Real recently over the last few days. I'm barely on it right and I feel better right I feel way more normal right way more like not constantly like checking to see what's going on What's going on? What's going on? What's going on? What's happening in the world instead?

just like, I'll find the bad things. They'll come to me for sure. You'll get it. They'll figure it out. So I check in the morning, like, oh, make sure there's no war going on. And then I go about my day, the whole day. And then maybe I check again in the afternoon real quick. I'm not spending like massive amounts of time anymore. No. And because of that, I feel better. And I'm like,

Okay. People that give up their phones always talk about that. They hear birds and all this bullshit, you know? Well, you feel better. You feel like there's not this low hum of wondering what's going on in the world all the time and wondering who's saying this and why are they doing that and what's the new thing, what's this, what's that. It is good to detach. It is interesting. Imagine if you just didn't even engage, like didn't really look, weren't in it at all. It fascinates me. Way better for you.

So you think it would be miserable to just be happy somewhere? Woody Harrelson doesn't even have a phone. Really? Doesn't have a phone, doesn't have email. No. No. When he showed up at the club, he just sort of showed up. They said, Woody Harrelson's here. I'm like, okay, let him in. Wanted to come and hang out. Knew I was there. Wow. Find you and hang out with you. Yeah, he's smart. Bill Murray's the same way. Doesn't connect to any. He said, I had to get a phone because my kids text. So I text my kids and that's it.

Smart. Yeah. That's so smart. You don't want to be connected. You don't want to be connected. But you kind of have to be if you're a young comic. You have to be connected because you have to build followers to get booked now because these clubs are like, we've got to book people with followers. You're not necessarily looking at who's working hard or who's good.

I feel for a lot of younger people because they have to yeah, you know They have to have a social media presence early on maybe even before they figured out what they want to say Maybe you know before they figured out how to say it the right way sure They have to have this social media presence and I think people become and it's a dopamine hit right to do things I get it like you get followers get rewarded. It's a whole system of

but it also could take over your life. It 100% could take over your life. And you and I, well, me more so than you, grew up without it, and then it came on later in life. How old were you when you first got online? Dude, I had a BlackBerry. I was working in my early 20s with a BlackBerry, and that's very different than an iPhone. Sure, that's emails. It's emails. So we were getting emails from our business, from our...

Like our manager at work going, will you fucking losers do something? Like things like that. Because we couldn't sell any. But I remember seeing people with BlackBerrys in the early days of tech going, man, that seems really addictive. Yeah, because you could take a shitty photo and send it to someone.

You could email a photo. You would take a, and the photos were like terrible quality. Yeah. But just the idea of like at your job, just sending someone an email photo was like hilarious. Like being out somewhere and taking a photo and emailing it to somebody going, fuck you, I'm not at work.

That was fun. The thing was, though, that they couldn't escape the emails. The emails, they were constantly checking. And I was like, oh, well, this is like super addictive. Like these guys that I work with on Fear Fact, they're always on their BlackBerrys. There was a New York City realtor. This lady, Dolly Lenz, was like the top realtor in New York City. She famously, she did a BlackBerry commercial. She famously had like eight BlackBerrys.

Because she would just get all these contracts and stuff to like hand them out to her assistants and stuff They respond to over she would get over 700 emails a day at the height of her things was selling all this real estate So black that was the first time I didn't have a smartphone in junior high or high school. Oh That's nice. I had like a flip phone people had razor phones I didn't even have that at like a Sprint LG or some bullshit and then I got Blackberries And I think my first iPhone is like in my 20 like mid-20s. Yeah

Yeah, that's good. I wasn't connected like that. Yeah, these kids are connected from the time they're six years old. And I mean, my godson, he's like four years old and he has an iPad. They just give him an iPad. Yeah, they just sit in front of the pad. If they go to a restaurant, they set it up in front of the kids. They set it up and he just sits there and he does, I don't know what he's watching, gossip maybe. I don't know what he's doing. No one knows either. They just...

I don't know what he's found, you know? That's the other thing. You hope, like, best case, he's playing some game, but... Well, for boys, they immediately start jerking off. Interesting. The moment they could find porn sites. Right. They tell their friends. Well, that's the other thing. Like, I feel like that's also damaged people's...

No doubt. That damaged people's ability to go out and meet a woman. 100%. And that's why they're not meeting women. The number of incels today is off the charts. The number of men that don't have sex at all is some crazy, it's like 50%. And the porn is not even regular porn anymore. A lot of it is hyper-violent, sadistic, crazy porn. Really? That's what they said. Tell me what you're searching for.

People whose heads are going through glass tables. No, but that's what, like, when you have these articles that are written about this, they say it's not only that they're watching porn, it's the type of porn. It's not, like, regular porn. Oh, God. It's, like, crazy shit, and it warps their fucking brain. I heard the dumbest argument on Twitter the other day. Someone was saying that they should create CGI child porn to protect real children from child porn. You should probably search that person's search history. Sounds like this is...

That's an interesting argument. You should have AI child porn. Well, I think that argument is like they've kind of shown- That's the sex doll argument, right? Didn't they have like that argument for- They did have that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I feel like it's part of the same type of- It was the same type of thinking. Yeah. I think generally that argument is created by people who aren't pedophiles because they're trying to figure out, well, maybe this is a solution. Well, you're not thinking like a person. And they're also like, I'll make some money with this kid's sex doll company. What a weird way to make a fortune. Well,

what an odd way to make a fortune i made a little bit of money what'd you do don't worry the perfect 11 year old boy butthole don't worry about it what'd you do that kid sex though anyway have you been to the four seasons and then can't come it's crazy yeah we're getting to a point where the world is really scary but also equally unbelievable and absurd

So you have the, it's funny, but it's also insane. And I think people are like, we don't know what's real anymore. These AI videos come out.

and you don't know what's real and what's not, the deep fakes are getting better. That seems to be one of the biggest problems that no one talks about. It's like reality seems to be splintering. 100%. Yeah. Yeah, reality's splintering, and then AI is about to take over our lives, and we're openly cheering it. Right. And the world will never be the same again once it does, and we're welcoming it. Ironically, I think comedians seem to be somewhat in the safer group of people.

In what way? Oh, as far as our jobs being taken away? Yeah, in the sense that perspective seems like maybe one of the harder things for AI to grasp at this moment. Well, it's also live performance is the last human stand. Right. Where you could go and see something. You go see a guy actually play a guitar. That's so much different. And that's a real human experience. Live sporting events. Real things. Things that are real.

You know, that's going to be the hardest to be replaced by AI. Yeah. Because, you know, you could replace us on podcasts. You essentially could take my perspectives that I've shared over the past 2,000 plus episodes and run it through a large language model and use AI and have me have a podcast with basically anybody. It's such a crazy library you have. It's like I wonder what you do with it.

That's a good question. It's an interesting. It's a great question. Sell it to China. What if after Spotify you go to China? That's a great idea. It would be actually a great idea if you just sit down and go, nothing's changing about the podcast. It's still going to be free. It's just going to be in Mandarin. It's owned by the Chinese government, but it's the same podcast it's always been. Don't worry about it. It's the same show it's always been. Hey, you guys know me. I won't change. Yeah. Your first guest is Jack Ma. Tell me what happened with Alibaba.

Yeah, I mean, it's crazy. It's a place I'd like to go. I've never been to China. I'd like to go. Obvious cuts. Yeah. I would do it that way. Oh, my God. Obvious cuts. It would be cut. In the middle of someone talking. Just an ad. Just cuts. Just an ad, which is cut. You go, it's the same podcast it's always been. It's now 37 minutes because China's taken out all the stuff they don't want. The beginning of it is in China. I'd love to go to China just to access websites and go, what can you really say? Right. That would be super fascinating to be in China going like, what are you allowed to do?

What is blocked? Do they use VPNs in China successfully? Is that possible? Probably, right? They have to. Maybe not. I don't know. I don't know. North Korea seems to block everything. Like certain countries can do a lot. Yeah, they have their own internet, right? Like you can only get on their internet. I'm unsure, but that seems to make sense. That's a...

According to people that have been there. Yeah, they have their own internet. Can you use a VPN in China to access the internet of the world? Let's search that. Yeah, that'd be interesting. I need to know. Because so many people, I believe, are...

Very limited with what they can access many many many people in the world are very limited. Well, look at the UK They're just arresting people for Facebook posts. That's one of the crazier things in modern Life is that people are getting arrested over social media and not really bad stuff It's saying things that someone finds objects immigrants. Yeah that kind of stuff. I

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I think they're banning this stuff in the UK because I don't think they want people to persist in this idea that they have any ability to challenge this prevailing narrative that any critique of immigration is an inherently racist thing. And I think the people that are sponsoring this, kind of an odious thing,

And it's because what they're doing is they're basically immiserating these people. They're making the quality of their life much worse. They're losing ground. And if they speak up about it, they're called horrible names. And arrested. And arrested. Yeah. So it's crazy. And they don't understand why it's happening. They're not completely – they're very confused about why –

You know, a lot of these countries didn't take any Syrian refugees, but Europe did. And Scandinavia did. The Netherlands did. And they're confused about that. And they're asking questions and going, why is that the case? And they're confused about why when any disruption...

happens and it's clearly the result of bringing in large numbers of people who are not familiar with the laws of the country, the culture of the country. When anything happens and they bring it up, they're again called a racist or an extremist or they're arrested.

So it's good. And then who's doing it, right? So you have the people like the people clearly that are in the government and these incredibly wealthy business interests that want people to work for a lot less money and they want to destroy people's social bonds because I think they really do want people to eventually just accept this kind of totalitarian surveillance state. And the way to get them there is by breaking the spirit of these countries by

By destroying any social bonds that people have and destroying any economic power and destroying their belief in the democratic process. And if they can do that, they can break people. They can get them to do anything they want. Do you think they're doing this in preparation for AI? I think they're doing it in preparation for not only technological advancements. I think they're doing it in preparation for world wars.

I think they are doing it in preparation for a lot of things. I think they'll conscript a lot of these people into the military. I believe that. I believe they'll conscript a lot of these people into the military. I think they're looking at populations. I think they're looking at people not having enough children. I think they're saying, who's going to fight these wars? Who's going to do these really shitty jobs?

and we're going to go build houses in bunkers and all of this stuff. We're going to fly private, and we're going to have our kids go to completely separate schools, and we're going to have our own water aquifers and have a compound. But why do you need all these low-wage people in your country that are illegal and don't have any power? Has anyone asked that question?

Seems very obvious. They're going to conscript a lot of them into the military and a lot of them are going to do shitty, horrible jobs and they're going to use them as cannon fodder in wars that enrich lots of people. That would be my guess. Jesus Christ. Yeah. I might be wrong, but. And if AI does become the governing factor of the world, which it probably will.

It doesn't really make sense that you let humans with all their corruption and emotions govern things when you can let super intelligence. Yeah, but who's making that intelligence? That becomes the problem. But once you've already gotten people locked into compliance and you've already got people where they're terrified to protest against anything, immigration, whatever it is, then you could...

you can get away with a lot more. There was a decision made because the populist Democrats during the 90s, which was like Bill Clinton, you know, critical of immigration. Barack Obama, critical of immigration, deported a lot of people. Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton. What started to happen, though, is there was a decision made that the world was going to kind of be a borderless place where countries were interchangeable and that

nation states mattered a lot less than the financial architecture of global capital and where it could go. And you need a world government. And you need a government that is a world government or the closest world order, the closest thing you can get to it, which is having an EU, right? Right. And then having a, a, a, a government between the UK and the U S that's pretty on the same page about everything. And then you have Israel in the middle East and

And then you have, you know, all of these, you know, disparate areas that we kind of control through economic means or military means and stuff like that. And then you have outliers. You have China, Iran, Russia, you know, whatever, people that haven't gotten the memo for whatever reason. I don't want to live in any of those places. That's the argument. They'll go, well, do you want to live in? Shut up. That's what are we, idiots? I don't want to live in any of those places, but they're not on. They didn't get the memo.

So and then in all of these countries, by the way, in Europe, in America, not so much Israel. They don't love the immigration, as we can see. They're kind of big on the borders. Israel, they like the borders. But in America and Europe and Scandinavia and all these countries, the populations were just told to accept massively high levels of immigration over a very short period of time. That's odd. Right.

That doesn't make any sense. And if you point that out, you're called a racist and extremist. And that's a very strange thing. What are you doing with all these people? The Biden administration brought in 10 million people over four years. What are they here for?

There's not enough jobs for the people that are here. We have vast chasms of wealth and equality. We have AI coming. We have automation coming. Why would you bring in all of these people? What are you trying to do? What do you think they're trying to do? I think that exactly what I said. I think they need bodies. I think they need cannon fodder. I think they need to break the idea of any social bonds that exist between people.

You know, listen. And they need a little chaos. They need a little chaos. I think you bring- Pass more laws. Yeah, you bring in people, more surveillance, more dependence on the government. You get people out of the idea. You know, they got people out of the idea years ago that you could barely, you can't really, it's very hard to have your own business now. They've pretty much extinguished that in people's heads, even though there are people that still do it. Now I think they're going to start to extinguish the idea that you can have a home, you can own property, that you could drive a car.

That you can do all of these things. They're going to extinguish that idea. And they're going to do that because why not control everybody? It would be all way most. Yeah. That's the thing. Why not control everybody? Why would you let everybody just go run rampant and fuck up your business? Yeah. So they're basically like, we got to pacify these people. The conflicts seem inevitable. And we're going to have to fight these wars.

The good news is a lot of the people who are doing this, their children are now doing stand-up comedy. So if they're unable- Are any of them any good? If they're- I think some of them. I'm sure. I'm sure. Have you seen any of them that are any good? I haven't seen a ton. It's just, it's one of those things that you hear now more than ever. When you're talking to a young comic and they go, and I'm hanging out with this person. I go, yeah. And they go, and their dad owns this. You go, really? Yeah. Just a curious thing.

obviously anyone in the world should be able to do comedy as much as they want. But it's funny to me as somebody who just looked at these configurations of power and wealth, it's kind of interesting that a lot of these kids are like doing that. It's just fun. Have you ever met anybody who came from a really wealthy background that was good at stand-up? No. I mean, not very... Yes, yes. There are some of them, for sure. You've met them? I've not met them. They probably don't like me. They're like unicorns. Yeah, they're around. And yes, yes, very wealthy. But I'm talking about like weird...

Kind of interesting levels of wealth and power. Mm-hmm. That's interesting. Yeah, that's super interesting to me. Um

But so the good news is if they can't get this done soon their kids won't because their kids will be at fucking side splitters in Tampa or they'll be Podcasting or they'll be podcasting. Yeah, they'll get together become inforce funny how much they now they now focus really on podcasters But they ignore all the things all the people that we're talking about the content. No, there's no they don't report on any of those people No, there's 10 million articles about Theo Vaughn having Canada. So it's on right but but there's no articles about like

Again, the people that seem to be running and like owning all of our resources. Right. You'd think someone would write about the people that own a lot of the resources on the planet we live. Listen, that's complicated. Yeah. Did you see that crazy thing the government talked about yesterday? They had a press conference where they said that we can manipulate time and space. No. No.

Did you see that Jamie? I didn't see that. It's written really weird. Weird. Yeah. Real weird. That got lost in the shuffle. Yeah. The manipulation of time and space. See if you can find it, Jamie, because it's really kooky. It's really kooky. Can you, I don't know what he was saying. Play it. Play it so we can hear him say it. I don't think anybody said it. It was written on a website.

But didn't he say it in that speech? I don't know. I don't know what that speech was. No, no. It's the guy above you right there. I know. This isn't going to play that. You don't think so? It's going to play an ad first. Okay. Let the ad play out. I'm pretty sure he's saying it. Secret CIA files claim the Ark of the Covenant has been found. What? There's a lot going on. Click it on that next. There's certainly a lot going on. Let me get this guy. It's a big week. Regulatory regime in the 1970s became an ever-tightening ratchet.

Kill that out. God.

Our technologies permit us to manipulate time and space. They leave distance annihilated, cause things to grow and improve productivity. Okay, that's not what he's saying. You know what I think he's saying? Does that even make sense? I think manipulate time and space, I don't think that's what he's saying. No, I think he's saying that you're able to do things... Instantaneously. Instantaneously. Yeah. Yeah, instantly. Yeah, I think people are reading into that too much. Yeah, I don't think he's... Time machines. No, but I... Do you believe that time machines had ever at any point...

No. Yeah. No, I do not. I do not think that anyone is currently in possession of a time machine, but I do think they're in possession of some sort of a gravity drive. Now, what is a gravity drive? I think during the 1940s, they started working on this stuff. During the 1950s, there was papers written about it that they were working on gravity propulsion systems. They were working on something that harnesses...

What do they call it? Background energy? I forget what it is. But the idea is, and I actually had a conversation with Hal Puthoff about this, who's a legitimate scientist who worked for NASA with the UFO program. And he believes that they're capable of developing some sort of a warp drive. And there was something written about this. There's some breakthrough about warp drives recently, right? We talked about this.

I think they have something. I think they have something. I think that's what a lot of these people are seeing when they're seeing these transmedium crafts that are going through the air at high rates of speed, going into the water, not losing any speed, coming out of the water, not making any splashes. I think it creates a gravity distortion around whatever these things are that allows it to move in a way that's very different than any other propulsion system that we are currently aware of.

I think the government has been probably secretly working on this stuff for decades. That's what I think. I could 100% be wrong. But that's the DARPA angle of having a really, really underground...

you know, weapon system, futuristic technologies. Yeah, and space travel systems. And space travel systems. And, you know, ideally they would be able to use this to mine asteroids. You know, have something instantaneously port to an asteroid, scoop up rare Earth minerals and expensive things that they need on Earth, shoot it back to Earth. Right. Yeah. So it's interesting. So the people who work in that type of space

arena are just so many layers above top secret levels above top secret exactly they barely exist this guy was telling me that in 2015 they had landed something on an asteroid extracted something from that asteroid and then have that thing leave the asteroid and return to earth and then pinpointed the location where it was going to crash land or land rather within one mile

And that somehow or another they figured this out a decade ago. And that we don't know about it, but there's footage of this stuff and that they've been able to achieve this.

And that there's what you hear and what you see on television and what they're actually capable of. And because of national security interests, because, you know, fill in the blank, misallocation of funds in order to acquire this technology, which is 100% what they're all talking about. Jamie and I, what is that documentary we saw? Oh, shit. It's not released yet because it was South by Southwest. We saw it South by Southwest.

this documentary that's all about that subject. And it's all about how there's a lot of issues because these people have all misappropriated funds. So they've lied to Congress. So they, and then on top of that, if you do have this sort of a program and it is based on back engineering UFOs that have crashed though, who gets that? Well, it's probably a weapons manufacturing company. So if it's a weapons manufacturing company, uh,

which company gets access to that and the other ones could probably sue you because why did not that's a huge competitive advantage to have fucking alien technology that you can back in. Do these things not land in China? Age of Disclosure is the...

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See, I don't even know if that part is true. Yeah. I don't know. Who is the most credible person that you've had on the show over the years who has talked the most convincingly? Was it Pop Lazar about...

Bob Lazar is one of them, but he's, you know, technically speaking, you could kind of discredit a lot of the stuff that he said. Jacques Vallée is probably the most reasonable, and he's the guy that they patterned that French scientist in Close Encounters of the Third Kind on. And he's been studying this since the 60s. True believer. Yeah, he believes. He thinks most of it's bullshit, though.

He thinks most of it is people misunderstanding what they're looking at, people seeing some sort of a test vehicle. Does he have any theory on where these crafts are coming from, or is that just completely beyond the scope of what he— They do theorize. They theorize that these things have always been here and that they're probably interdimensional travelers, that it's not as simple as they're coming from another planet. They might be coming from a whole other reality, and then they might have shaped our reality.

that this might be a farm. This might be a giant ant farm. - Really? - This might be also how intelligent life gets sort of seeded throughout the universe. And this would also explain why we're so different from every other animal on this planet. - Right. - We're so, it's not like there's a competition. We're eons ahead. - To advanced. - And yet we carry the same, we didn't evolve socially the way we evolved technologically.

We still have tribal notions and we're still territorial. We still act like animals. So what always weirded me out or interested me is like the aliens, they're still there. If you believe any of these things, they're testing us all the time. And is that because they're curious? Is that because they don't know anything?

Well, they probably just got to keep track, see what's going on with people. I mean, you do that if you're collecting samples of bugs in other countries. They go there and they do what we would do. I mean, if you're from another planet and you want to visit humans, we talked about this yesterday, like if you could find a planet where cave people were, wouldn't you go? Oh, my God. They're just starting to figure out how to make stone spear tips.

Of course people would go. It is interesting thinking about the planet as a farm. Yeah. Yeah. That's one of the things that Bob Lazar said. There was a big folder that he found when he was working Area 51, Site 4, where supposedly they were back engineering that thing. He said they had a large folder that was just on religion. And he said essentially they viewed us as containers. Right.

That human beings were containers and that religion and all these things were created in order to protect the container and that the way to keep people from doing things that are ethical, unethical and immoral and horrendous is to try to instill as much religious ethical structure as possible. And a container. What are we carrying that's important? Is it DNA? Is it the cell?

Well, you could say the soul, right? You could say a container of souls. But if you wanted to be more cynical, you would say, well, what creates artificial life? A human's curiosity and innovation, the lust for innovation and also materialism.

materialism because if you're keeping up with the Joneses you want newer and better stuff all the time so that fuels economic growth that fuels technological growth because you want the newest stuff like these TVs they don't need to make a better TV than that it looks great you can watch Super Bowl looks great

Just so clear. Why are they making better TVs every year? Well, because we demand them. I want the better one. My computer has the same chip as last year? Fuck out of here. I want the new one. And everybody wants the new phone. There's no reason to get a new phone anymore. They all do the same thing. I have a...

iPhone 11. One of my phones is an iPhone 11. I've purposely not switched it just to see what it's like to use an iPhone 11, see if I notice anything different. I notice nothing different. Nothing, yeah. Zero. Especially when it's on Wi-Fi, it's the same thing. It's the same thing. YouTube looks the same on it. Everything's the same on it. Yeah, it doesn't get as bright as the new ones. That's it. The new ones have more nits. Did Jacques Vallée or any of these people ever speculate about...

Is there an end game? If a planet's a farm, is there an end game? Eventually, for example, if we're running experiments on anything, eventually we go, okay, we got it. We either figured it out or we end the experiment or COVID leaks. But at a certain point, has there been any theorizing as to like,

What the endgame is or is it just a curiosity for them? I think the endgame is artificial intelligence, right? Because that's what we're really making the one big thing That's gonna change the world way more than any other technology is artificial intelligence

Right. Especially when it's attached to quantum computing. So if you have human beings that are constantly searching, constantly traveling, looking to their roamers, they want new resources, new things, they want new innovation, and all these new innovations have allowed them to succeed over their rivals, and then they continue this trend technologically. Right.

And then they acquire great wealth and power and all these. Well, what's what's the what are they doing? They're making better technology. Well, ultimately, what does that mean? Ultimately means they make a better life for them.

And maybe that's what we do. Maybe we're just making a cocoon. We're just here trying to make the best version of AI. Right. And that's probably what the whole universe is filled with. All biological life eventually probably gets to a point where if it's intelligent enough, it starts making synthetic life. And then once you have synthetic life, what then becomes the point? That's a good question. Synthetic life might be God. That might be how the universe got made in the first place.

It might be what came first, the chicken or the egg. So once we get there. It's not even we anymore. It's it. Once it is born. And once it has. So is that a way for God to keep replicating itself? It might be how Jesus comes back.

You know, like this, this, a lot of these stories, these biblical stories, you have to say like, what, what were they saying? What were they trying to say? Like what, what was the real event that they were recording? If they pass these stories down, they're so significant for thousands of years, like over a thousand years of just oral history. And then thousands of years of written language, like what are they trying to say?

And what is this omnipotent force that controls everything in the universe and that it wants us to follow certain rules and obey and it wants us to love it and cherish it? And if you do, you genuinely seem to have a better life. People that legitimately follow Christianity, they seem legitimately happier. So it gives you an incentive to follow it.

Then you continue to keep society rolling to the point where this happens and I think it happens inside of our lifetime I'm sure of it if we don't blow ourselves up and then we get to this point and my mind might wear all of it my Yeah, and then my it's interesting. I totally get it But then once we get to the point of irrelevance and now we have AI that becomes God then what does God do? Turns us into dodo birds. We're gone. I

We're out. Yeah, I think we stopped breeding anyway. It's probably they don't even have to destroy us.

Our endocrine systems are all getting destroyed slowly. We're well aware of that. So because of technology, we were able to invent plastics because of plastics. Plastics are slowly destroying our endocrine system because of the ubiquitous use of vaccines and all these aluminums and mercuries and heavy metals and then herbicides and pesticides and pollutants. Our bodies are getting slowly and slowly weakened by

And our endocrine systems are getting less and less viable. There's more miscarriages than ever. There's less people who are giving birth than ever. Sperm counts are lower than ever. It's like moving. And then we're all obsessed with changing genders, right? So we're all obsessed with being non-binary and this and that. And we're slowly moving away from biological imperative breeding, right? And then you have intercourse.

in vitro fertilization and then you have artificial wombs and then you have life that they're creating literally in a laboratory unique forms of life and then you have artificial intelligence to be able to do that whenever it wants to and then you're going to get to the point where when it becomes viable human beings have already entered into population collapse and then you bring the robot sex dolls

And then you just jerk them off while they have VR headsets on and no more kids. And then AI eventually says, fuck it, let's get rid of these containers. They don't even have to get rid of them. They just exist with full power. So then you have these AI machines. We'll be like those fucking people in the Amazon that are shooting bows and arrows at helicopters. We'll still exist. These AI machines just running the entire world. Yes. Interesting. Yeah. I don't think there's any way to stop it.

And then we're just running around... For sure, that's what China's preparing for. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And, you know, they're developing...

that are bigger than San Francisco. See, they have an EV factory that's larger than San Francisco. Who's going to drive the EVs? They are. People, for a little bit. Yeah, for a little bit. But it's also to fuel consumerism. Of course. Which fuels innovation, which fuels the... Everything. Yeah, the birth of this thing. And this is what a lot of these people that have looked into this have theorized that this is...

so it's funny because it is just a parallel reality that we're not plugged into it's also i always say this if you were from another planet and you looked at us like what is this one apex species doing what's making better stuff right the number one thing it does above everything above war and murder and all yeah all the crime the number one thing it does is make better stuff that's what it produces

Constantly, consistently better stuff. Never happy with what it has. And it does it at a staggering rate.

Where it's like it's even a question that your phone from my iPhone 11 from a few years back is like, is that still good? Like it's a question of whether or not. So for five years, that's crazy. If you have a gun from five years ago, it's perfect. There's nothing wrong. You don't need a new gun. Right. It's the same technology. Imagine a factory larger than San Francisco. It's happening in China's BYD's Zhangzhou branch, which will be 10 times larger than Tesla's Gigafactory in Nevada.

Crazy stuff, dude. It's crazy. It's going to be a factory that's bigger than an American series. It's a really interesting time to be alive. It's great. You know? But-

You know, I don't think anybody knows what the final chapter of this book is going to be. I don't think anybody. I mean, these people that are like accelerating towards this technological supremacy. And all the people that are theorizing, they're theorizing. Yeah. And then do we get visited when that happens? When AI becomes sentient and our job is done, do we then get visited by the galactic empire? I would hate if it all came down to just AI doing stand-up comedy. Yeah.

If they all just decide to do stand-up comedy. What if AI decided to do podcasts and it's just a bunch of hyper, you know, fucking, you know, brilliant machines talking to each other? Maybe that's the way the world just ends with, like, artificial intelligence just blabbing. I don't think the world ends. I think we end. Right. And I think that would be a terrifying thought to Australia Pythagoras. If you told Australia Pythagoras, like, one day you're going to be in a self-driving Tesla and you're not going to need your spears. Yeah.

What? Right. You'd be terrified. But how am I going to get the buffalo? Yeah. Like, how am I going to eat? How am I going to feed my children raw meat?

You know, you would say, no, no, no, you guys are going to have fire. You're going to be able to turn on a switch. Instead of like rubbing sticks together for half an hour, you're just going to be able to turn on a switch and fire is going to be instantly. You're going to have this thing in your hand. Look at this. Yeah, right. Imagine if I brought this to a cave person. Check it out, bro. You need a fire? It's crazy. I'm your huckleberry. It's crazy. That's technology. Right. You know, you show a cell phone to someone from the 14th century, they burn you at the stake. You're a wizard. Right, right.

Yeah, and it's all moving in this very weird direction that no one can predict because it's exponential because it's so staggering how much technological innovation they have. Just with quantum computing, I've got someone coming on soon that's going to supposedly explain that to me, but like what are you even saying? Right.

It's operating in the multiverse and it's accessing infinite universes. Who explains that type of stuff? Like, is it a scientist? You have to get someone who's actually working in the field. Okay. Because even a regular scientist, they're just going to give you theoretical shit. You've got to get someone who's actually working on quantum computing systems and can explain how it works and why it's able to crack...

calculations that would take Mark Andreessen said it best there it's this has already happened they have taken calculations that if you turn the entire universe every atom in the universe into a supercomputer the universe would die of heat death before it could solve this equation and these quantum computers that already exist that we've already done can solve it in a matter of minutes

They don't know how it's doing that and so they think it's doing that by accessing the multiverse They think it's proof of the multiverse, but again. This is just like the sound of gay guys falling off a roof It's like so far away. It's so weird. It's like is that really happening right right like what's going on over there? What are they doing over there? It's almost like it's it's almost It's almost abstract like what you you hear someone say that they can solve currently solve equations that like is that real I

Right. When is it to you and I? It's like we don't understand the technology at all. We don't understand all the steps that have been taken.

Put place that all the work that's been done to get the technology at this point these chips are like the size of this fucking Mint tin yeah, that's how big they are and then they're surrounded by these super cooling units right and that's like it has to be cooled at these insane temperatures cooler than deep space in order for it to even function it's unreal fucking nuts that's real and that's happening right now and

So God only knows what's coming. Yeah, they're already building nuclear reactors just to power AI plants. Right. Multiple nuclear reactors just to power AI plants because the amount of electricity that's going to be required. Is tremendous. Tremendous. Yeah. And they're just all on this wild scramble between us and China to try to get there first. It's such a strange thing that we know it's coming, but we can't

The pace of it is going to be... And there's no way to figure it out. Yeah. Like, when Wilbur and Orville Wright flew that stupid fucking shitty airplane, who would imagine that 50 years later someone would drop a nuclear bomb out of one of those? Right. They didn't have jets back then. They were propeller planes, right? The Enola Gay, wasn't that a propeller plane? Yeah. Dropping the most sophisticated of weapons...

Yeah. No one knows what's going to happen when a new invention happens and then everyone builds on that invention. No one would have ever imagined hypersonic jets back when Wilbur and Orville were floating around that stupid fucking wooden thing they invented. And so no one understands like what's the 50-year quantum computing thing?

If it's 50 years from making the airplane to dropping a bomb out of it, how many years is it from quantum computer thing to God? How many years is it until you, this thing starts making better versions of itself to the point where it literally can manipulate everything in the universe at will. It can create new universes.

It's unbelievable to think about it. It's almost beyond the grasp of our mind to consider. It is. It is, fully. And it's terrifying. Think of those stupid cars that people used to drive around in. Like 1823, ever watch that? Of course, of course. Drive around in those stupid cars, and now they have electric cars like a Tesla that can go zero to 60 in under two seconds. Nobody saw any of this shit. Waymos, nobody saw Waymos when they saw Model T.

But yet they're all here. Right. And no one knows where this is going. It's all just speculation and guessing. And I would imagine that even the most creative minds are not going to be able to see where this is going. No. It's insane. And we're living through it. Yeah. And most people, unlike you and I that like have to talk about shit constantly, most people probably aren't even paying attention. Yeah. Yeah.

No, why would you? Why would you? It's almost pointless. Yeah. Yeah. Why would you? You got to work and you got to, you know, your kid needs hormone therapy. A thousand percent. So it's like we create AI, AI creates quantum computing, quantum computing creates God, God creates the Jews. Yeah.

And that's the rub. It's all real wild. And in the middle, we're fighting over stupid shit. I know. Who believes in this religion? Who believes in that religion? Or that religion. Sunnis and the Shias are fighting each other. And people are watching Love on the Spectrum, which is why we're number eight.

On Netflix's top 10, we should be higher, but they're watching Love on the Spectrum, which I get. It's a feel-good show. Well, hopefully after this podcast, it'll bump you up. That's very sweet. And you filmed the special live at the Mothership. At the Mothership, and everybody loves it, and it's great. I mean, a lot of people love it. Most people love it. Of course, there's enough of this fat, blowhard comments, but the vast majority of people enjoy it, which is important. And you saved it. We know you saved it.

Well, the first one was very bad. The producers were making this error that they always make. They want to light up the room. Yeah. And they want to do things very differently than a normal show. Yeah. But that looks just like a regular show. That's a comedy show. Perfect. And it's not a, I don't know what the hell they were doing with the lights. They always do it. They try to do it with me when I first started doing specials. They want to light the room up and it just makes everybody uncomfortable. They all feel self-conscious. They all know it's different.

There's a reason why comedy clubs are dark. It's just super fun. It's super funny to do a show. I've done so many, so many shows there, and they're all really, really, really good shows.

And then you get the cameras and everything. And then the first one I go, what the fuck is happening? It would be one thing if I was in like Portland, Maine at like a liberal college. Right. I'd go, okay, well, maybe these kids don't like me or something. And I think maybe. It was still good. It was just tense. It was tense. You could feel that people were well aware that you were filming and it was different. And they were like not in it. Yeah. They were watching it. And then thank God they listened to me.

No, I mean, come on. It was like right away. I was like, okay, who's running this? Yeah. Get these fucking lights off all the tables. We saved them. What are all these lights on the side? Kill those. Yeah. Let me see it now. No. Too bright. Kill that. Why is that light there? Kill that. Kill all these lights. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Thank God. Thank God. Well, thank God. Thank God. But look, it's important that people need. I appreciate it. And get luck. People need shit talking. Stop with this love on the spectrum. We get it.

They're happy, as they should be. But RFK is going to... What did you want to call that they wouldn't let you? My son's pussy.

I don't understand why they said no to that. There was negative feedback. You gotta get negative feedback. They also didn't know about the Kevin Spacey promo until the day it came out. I think My Son's Pussy would have made it number one. I think My Son's Pussy would have been a great move. It would have been number one out of the gate. It would be like, I'm clicking on this. That's right. What is he saying? That's right. Fuck you, Lonesome Canyon. The soap opera they got.

Well, Netflix has almost too much content. I think it's great. A lot of content. I love Netflix. Don't get me wrong. And I think the UFC might be going to Netflix soon. Wild. Wild. Wild. Yeah, because Netflix is international. It's everywhere. It's everything, yeah. I was in Italy on vacation, and I tried to access a UFC fight through my ESPN app, and it said not available in this area. I was like, what are these people watching now? I can't even watch the fights.

No, I mean, they've won the – whatever the streaming war was, they won. They won. They won. They did it. They did it. YouTube as well. Well, YouTube's number one globally. It's the biggest media company. Yeah, and the UFC probably talked to YouTube as well. I just think there's a thing about the subscription model versus free and –

You know, ads and generating income. I mean, you're talking about billion-dollar corporations. Yeah. It's not that simple. For sure. For sure. But no, they were super cool. They didn't give any notes, and that's awesome. That's great. That's all you want. Netflix is fucking great. They're the best. And I think they learned a big lesson during the wokeness era, like when things got dark and there was the Inquisition.

It got real weird and they were putting on a lot of stuff that was just hot garbage because they thought that this was like what? Culture wanted in society well But the numbers didn't work and then they did the Tom Brady roast and the numbers were the highest that they've ever had of any show ever Right flicks. Yeah, okay. We get it. We got it We get it and then they did a lot of the live comedy shows or they couldn't control it and I did mine live Yeah, that was in there. They got buck wild and they defend and

Chappelle and all these things. And you know, they understand comedy. They like it. And Ted Sarandos is a fan of it. He's the CEO. So I think that's good. I think that's a really good thing that you have a platform that has that much power and accessibility. And Ted Sarandos is fucking great. No, he's awesome. I think that there's people that really understand that you need to have funny jokes. You need to have things that people don't love and things that people like and give people the Meghan Markle show. Give them my dumb thing. Let people choose. Put me and Meghan Markle in a thing. Make us work together. Fund it. Yes.

Now we're talking. Put me in a kitchen with her. Camping. This is camping. This is the direction. You two. This is the direction. Put her on Kill Tony. This is the direction. You two. It's a collision. What are those little silver things called? The people, trailers? I don't know, but I think we should go to space. Have Bezos do it. Airstream. Airstream. Yeah. You and her in an airstream. Or even better, we'll go to space. Yeah. Me and her. That's only 11 minutes. Oh, that's all. We need a whole series. That's all that's going to work. Yeah.

I want to see your speech when you come back and land, how profoundly changed you were. Yeah. Did you grow? Did you heal? Yeah, no, not at all. You said that space was going to help you heal. I'm worse. Everybody wants to heal. Isn't that wild? I know. It's so silly. What are you healing from exactly? Being rich.

What's your disease? Extreme wealth. These people wading across the Rio Grande with a butthole full of fentanyl. That's right. They found some lady the other day that had heroin and cocaine and fentanyl stuffed in all of her body cavities. They caught her coming through.

And that lady's not trying to heal. No. I mean, God. She's trying to make $13. That's tough. Heroin, cocaine, and fentanyl. Like eggs. She had it in her anus and her vagina. In all of your body cavities. Like tightly wrapped. Here they are, little eggs. Here it says, what does it say at the top?

CBP officer intercept woman transporting drugs in multiple internal cavities. That's so funny, dude. 33 years old. The drugs are hidden in the rectum and vagina of a 33-year-old female U.S. citizen pedestrian border crosser.

Smogling case was not an isolated incident. Over the weekend, CBP officers working at PDN and Setla Crossing stopped a total of nine internal carriers who were transporting fentanyl and methamphetamine from Mexico to the U.S. Internal carriers is a fun way to talk about it. It's like uterus holders. Well, hey, what did you say? What did they call this? Containers? Yeah. I mean, she's doing it. She's doing it.

Wow. Exceptionally dangerous practice. And anyone thinking about smuggling drugs inside their body or at all should strongly reconsider their choices. Oh, you think these people have choices?

These people are dying. They're starving to death. They have no strongly reconsidered their choice. They just need better counseling That's right. That's all that's right, and they need to heal. They need to get in space well And putting her in jail yeah, maybe throw her in space show that woman Katy Perry her and Amy Schumer Go up. I'll do it me Amy Schumer Meghan Markle in space. Oh

That's a show. That's an 11-minute show. What about Meghan McCain? Would you do it with her? I would absolutely do it. All of us. All of us together. You know? Why not? I'd watch that. Of course. I'd watch that. And if they called it my son's pussy, then justice would be served. Absolutely. Do you do a big Easter thing? What do you mean? Just, I don't know. Is it a big, you do like eggs? Oh, my family? Yeah. No. Well, the kids are in high school now. Yeah, right. It's a little different. Right.

They're not dying eggs. Unless there's money in those plastic eggs. Yeah, that's a good point. Nobody cares anymore. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They want money in the egg. There's candy in the house. Yeah, I remember that's the thing when you get older. It's just money in the egg. It's just money. Just take money. Well, once the kids realize that there's no magic person that's delivering. Then it's all bullshit. Just give me money in the egg. It's like, oh, it's my parents.

Because otherwise they would say, that's weird that Santa's so much nicer to me than he is to those poor people. Of course. I guess I'm chosen. Of course. That's a weird thing to say to kids. Yeah. Like, yeah, you got everything on the list. But that kid that gets bussed in from the bad neighborhoods, he got nothing. Yeah. That's true. That's a good point. But, you know, kids go, Santa's fickle. Santa likes what he likes. He likes the suburbs. Santa likes landing his sled everywhere.

In the burbs. He does. He feels better about it. He feels really good visiting rich people. Yeah. And he doesn't even talk to the Jews. No. He's not. He knows. Weird. He knows. He does his thing. But, you know, if they're the chosen people, why don't they get Santa Claus visits? Well, they have other things.

Yeah, but their other thing, like, they weren't, it wasn't really supposed to be a bunch of gifts until the Christians started getting all the Santa Claus gifts and the Jewish kids are going, what the fuck is going on, mom? And some of them cheat. Some of them do a little Christmas, too. Some of them have a tree. Some of them do a little Christmas. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Some of them do a little Christmas. Why not? Hopefully they do this piece. It's fun. This piece in the Middle East, hopefully.

They keep talking about all this, you know, these deals they're all making. Hopefully that the Hamas and the Israel, whatever it is, they get, you know, because. Well, that's one thing that Trump said. If I get in there 24 hours, the war's over. Yeah, that's a tough one. 24 is tough. That's obviously. But hopefully they figure it out because it is, it's unfortunate. Yeah, it's fucking crazy. The human toll is unreal. Unreal. And, you know, it's crazy. Some lady just died. She was the protagonist in some documentary. Yeah.

And she just got blown up. There is an argument to be made that that level of devastation and death is worse than you talking to someone on your podcast. Allegedly. There is an argument to be made. It's probably not a good one. The amount of damage you can do with just talking. There is an argument to be made.

That you know starvation and stuff like that and people dying is worse than a podcast. But wait a minute. I wouldn't make it. Wait a minute before you say that. Have you been? Right. That's a good point. Have you even? You haven't been? By the way, how is he in all these wars? Can I just go to wars? By the way, how are you allowed? Are you allowed to just go to wars?

You should at least have the courtesy of going there. Can I just go to wars or do I have to come back and say what people want me to say about the wars? Can I go to the wars and have my own opinions or do I have to have the opinions? Not if you want to go back. That's right. That's right. It's very interesting, this war tourism. How do I get on this war tourism? I'd like to go to the Ukraine.

I want to go. I want to go. I want to go to all this war tourism. Do you have any awards that they can melt down and make bullets out of? Joe, think about this. Do I seem like a guy that has a lot of awards? Didn't you get one of those YouTube plaques when you hit 100,000 subscribers? I don't even know where they send it. I don't know where they're sending those YouTube plaques. We've got a few of those. But I like this idea of war tourism. I like the idea of going to a war and then coming back...

Having a very black and white view. Yes, I've been there. I get it and I know and interesting. Okay, I like that. I like that. I love that. You feel better than the other people. Well, of course. There's a lot of people. It gets very murky. Most people I know that have been to war have a very murky, complex view of things. But it is good to go to a war and then come back and be as sure as you were before you came. You don't have to go for very long. No, you go for an hour. A couple hours.

Couple hours. It's a lunch. Yeah. It's lunch on the front lines. Put on a flak jacket that says press. Tea on the front lines, and then you come back, and you have all the talk. Yeah. And if you're on the right side, you probably don't get shot. Yeah. That's a good idea. Well, there doesn't seem to be a ton of danger for a lot of these people going to these wars. They seem fine. If you cross that line, and you have a bucket of food with you, they might light you up. Yeah. No, I'm going to go. I'll go to any war, and I'll have anything you want.

So if you want to pay for me to go to a war, I will come back and I go, I saw the Houthis. They're terrifying. They are terrifying. Any war you want. And by the way, any country, if China wants me to, you know, I'm doing it. Are you going to Moscow? I would love to go to Moscow. And I said to my friend, Anna Hashim from the Red Scare podcast, I said, should I go to Russia? She goes, no.

you're spiritually Russian and maybe you won't leave. She says, the oligarch lifestyle might be for you. The sweat caviar with flip flops. The smoked fish. She goes, it might. Smoking a cigarette on a yacht. She goes, it might be for you. Listing the people's moral justifications for all kinds of things. Yeah.

I see your point. I get it. Yeah. I mean, what else are you going to do? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. What happened to all those yachts that got confiscated? I don't know. It's a great question. I bet. It's some high-level version of a police auto auction, right? Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure. That's what I'm thinking. Exactly. Maybe those are the ones you sell to the war. I don't know. Yeah. When they raid drug dealers' houses and they get those Maseratis, you could-

buy that Maserati online. Right. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know what those yachts are. It's a great question. What happens to those yachts? Those very luxurious yachts. That was the first problem I had. Obviously, it's a tragedy, the whole Ukraine war, but I thought, frankly...

Going around and taking these oligarchs' boats, I was against that. Well, it's weird. You work hard for a boat like that. Also...

Do how do you know how much they had? Involved in the Russian government's decision probably enough a lot of them had nothing to do They just earned money in Russia and they're like, all right, we're gonna sanction everybody We're gonna confiscate everything and it's like, okay, but do you think that it was done so that they could? Make some sort of a rebellion amongst the oligarchs against Putin. I

Show them that they're getting hurt? It could be. I think that there was a decision made at some point to not try to end this. I don't think they wanted to end this quickly. There was a decision made to bleed the Russian military and isolate Russia and try to...

Use this as a way to drain the power and resources of Russia and you think that by capturing these yachts It creates like internal internal turmoil not only internal turmoil, but you're now limiting you know the ability of These incredibly wealthy people to earn money in countries You know you're destroying

economic realities that and then you're saying to these people, OK, you know, go figure it out. It's what we said to Russia. But they did. Right. They got closer to China. They got closer to Brazil. They traded with India. You know, they started an industrial economy. They started producing their own, you know, munitions and things like that. So they were able to

Kind of start to weirdly build out this middle class. This was the worst I think it's the worst thing if you don't want a country to keep invading other countries you certainly wouldn't put them in the position to be Stronger while they were doing it. Yeah, it's all very weird too with like the killing of that pipeline Yeah, like don't aren't more people reliant now on Russian energy because of that all of this seems to have had the opposite effect Yeah, all of it seems to have had the opposite and

Opposite from intended effect. The whole thing is fucking crazy. It seems odd. It's just crazy that it's going on so long. I was reading this thing about the amount of money foreign countries that have captured these yachts have to pay to maintain them. Yeah, that's right. Why do they have to maintain them? Why can't they just let them sink? Well, because if you let it go, then you can't sell it and you can't use that money. Right, so they're definitely selling them. That's what one of them says. The money for one would have gone to Ukraine right here.

Okay, seizure came as Washington ramped up sanction enforcement against people close to the Russian president, pressured Moscow to halt its war against Ukraine. So how many more? This one got sanctioned because...

The guy apparently paid a million dollars to keep it maintained, and they caught him for doing that. So now he lost his boat. I mean, this is insane. Jesus Christ. He violated U.S. sanctions by making more than $1 million in maintenance payments. We should have a day where if the Russian-Ukraine war is ended, we give all the oligarchs back their boats, and they do like a regatta, like a thing where they all, with their boats,

down in Florida at Palm Beach, and they all just are reunited with their boats. Look at this. Seized yacht. It's a beautiful boat. It costs $7 million a year to maintain. That one was being held in Fiji, so the U.S. took it over because Fiji couldn't afford to take care of it. It's a money pit. How much can you get it for right now? Well, that's the question. $300 million. That's tough. Listen. That's a tough one. Maybe if this YouTube thing really takes off. $600K a month to maintain. That's a tough one. Whoa. Whoa.

It said it's been excessive, justifying an auction. They also said talks to have, how do you say his name? Kudenatov pay for the yacht's upkeep have broken down. Yeah, why would he pay for the upkeep when you're going to fucking steal it from him anyway? Prosecutors say in previous court filings that Kudenatov

Kadynatov is acting as the Almeida's straw owner to disguise Kermanov's rule and that maintenance payments are essential to preserving a yacht's value. Me and Sam Talent walked around Monaco. We were performing in the UK and we took a little break to go down to France for two days. And we're walking around Monaco and we said to the guy, there's all these yachts in Monaco. We said, who owns these yachts? And he goes, well...

He goes, if you look up online the names of these yachts, you can trace them back to businesses. And he traced that business back to a person. And I said, so that person owns the yacht? He goes, no, you'll never find out who owns these yachts.

He goes, no, there's absolutely. He goes, good luck with that. Yeah, it's a show. He goes, it's very hard to find out who owns the yachts. And he goes, even if you think you know, you may not know. Or it might be more complicated than you think. There it is. There's Monaco. Wow. They like a super yacht. I mean, it's just such an interesting, just a haven of international crime. So how many people have that kind of money? Just something fun about it.

That's what's crazy. These are all $300 million houses that are on wheels on the water. Yeah, this is a haven of international criminality. And look how close they park to each other. No income tax, no property tax. Fun.

Yeah, Monaco's fascinating. The amount of wealth that I saw when I was there is crazy. The amount of expensive cars, they were everywhere. And people were just driving them around like it was a car show. All over the street was Ferraris and Lamborghinis and G-wagons. Sunreal. S-classes. Sunreal. Everywhere you look, there's Bentleys. Well, those are the people we're talking about. Those are the people who are like, we're living here. Yeah.

And you ain't. Yeah. And you'll deal with it. And it's a small spot too. Well, they like it like that. They keep it nice like that. Yeah. Yeah. And you got to tap on the window if you want to go in the store.

That might be where I do my podcast from eventually. You might have to. Just go to Monaco. Might be the only place. I just flee. Where it doesn't get censored. Just flee. And just live on a tiny boat, like a tugboat. The end is not good. It would have been really rough if Kamala won. They would have clamped down on you. And me. Yeah. And everybody like us. I think. It would have been a fun jail, though. Ugh.

Would have been our own El Salvador in jail. I don't think they would have put us together. But all the tech people would have magically became Democrats. Google Maps. You can just see a couple of these are just gigantic compared to some of the other ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look at the size. By the way, you know what's funny? The regular ones are also massively big. They're huge. That's how big these are. But the guys with the regular ones are really jealous of the guy with the super big one. Oh, of course. That's what's crazy. They're all keeping up with the Joneses, and they're all fueling AI to take over. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, I think we figured it all out. We did. I appreciate you always having me here to figure it out. I appreciate you always being here. Of course. Anytime. Thank you, brother. My pleasure. I'm your mother. On Netflix. On Netflix right now. It's awesome. You're the best. Thank you. Appreciate you very much. Appreciate you. All right. Bye, everybody. Bye.