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#2338 - Beth Shapiro

2025/6/17
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Beth Shapiro: 我认为古DNA研究让我能够像现代探险家一样,通过挖掘和提取DNA来改写我们对世界的认知。我辞去学术工作加入Colossal,是因为我想捍卫我认为正确的科学研究方式,并推动物种保护工作。学术界普遍存在稀缺心态,导致人们对创新持消极态度,有些人甚至想垄断对某些议题的讨论和研究。我们不仅要复活物种,还要成为一家物种保护公司。但我们也需要思考,人类是否有权决定什么生物的生死,以及我们是否因为相对的智慧而自认为可以做出这些决定?基因和自然不在乎我们如何定义物种,基因的本质是扩散和波动,所有动物都会彼此繁殖。我们设计物种概念是为了进行对话,并知道我们在谈论什么。我们就是上帝,我们最好擅长扮演这个角色。我们应该允许自己有空间来弄清楚如何使用这些技术。今天的灭绝速度比化石记录历史上的速度高出数千到数万倍,其中很大一部分原因是我们造成的。我们可以帮助今天活着的物种适应其栖息地的快速变化。但人们担心的是在这些科学还处于起步阶段时,就粗暴地应用这些技术。如果我们可以制造出一只恐狼,我们就能制造出一个超人。一旦我们编辑每个人,使他们以某种特定的方式变得聪明,并且身高5英尺10英寸,金发碧眼,完美无缺,并且永远不会患糖尿病,那么最吸引人的东西将是与此相反的东西。我们会发现有一种特定的突变会导致死亡,然后突然间,这种最不道德的事情将成为唯一的道德解决方案。

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Beth Shapiro, a paleogenomics expert, explains her work in ancient DNA, involving the extraction and analysis of DNA from ancient remains. Her work has led to groundbreaking discoveries rewriting our understanding of history and sparking controversy within the scientific community.
  • Ancient DNA research involves extracting DNA from ancient remains like bones.
  • This field often leads to conflicts with other scientists due to its controversial nature and groundbreaking discoveries.
  • Shapiro explains the scarcity mindset and gatekeeping in academia that hinder innovation.

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Beth Shapiro, Ph.D., is an evolutionary molecular biologist and Chief Science Officer at Colossal Biosciences. She’s also the author of “Life as We Made It: How 50,000 Years of Human Innovation Refined―and Redefined―Nature.”https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/beth-shapiro/life-as-we-made-it/9781541644151)https://colossal.com/team/beth-shapiro-ph-d/)

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