Dave Smith & Joe Rogan HUMILIATE Douglas Murray Over Israel!
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Hey, man, this is J.D. Vance. This is my new favorite impression. That's me. Hey, Mr. Vice President, how you doing? Okay, for real, for real, for real? Yeah. I'm doing pretty awesome, man. Well, that's nice to hear. What's put you in such a good mood?

Basically, I'm just doing a really good job at work. And I'm one of those guys that just, you know, that makes me feel good. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

I totally understand. Could you elaborate? Well, do you remember how the sort of main part of my job was just to say stuff that makes people mad? Yeah.

Yes, I do. Well, obviously it stands to reason that the more people I make mad, the better I'm doing at my job. So if I can say one thing and make a vast multitude of people angry, then I'm improving workplace efficiency, right? I suppose you're right.

Well, my dude, how's about one billion people? Wow. That's right, Jimmy. I pissed off the entire nation of China. How so? Well, in the course of explaining the president's approach to tariffs, I condescendingly referred to the, quote, Chinese peasants. Oh, no. This is real, by the way, who work in the factories over there.

And their social media is going bananas or whatever they cut up on their cereal over there. Mango? I don't know. They get so mad, dude. They are so sensitive. Have you ever insulted a Chinese person? No, never.

Yeah, sure. Well, all you have to do is just joke about them being bad drivers or something, and they flip out. Like, fuck you, round eyes. We invented fireworks or whatever. They're very proud of their shit. So calling them a bunch of peasants is like deploying a nuclear weapon. Yeah, I'd imagine. So now they're insulting me back. Retaliatory insults, right? Bold move.

So far, they've been pretty weak sauce pointing out that I'm the peasant. I'm the peasant because I wrote a book called Hillbilly Elegy. Like, yeah, Yao Ming, I named the book that. What a burn. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

But if they do manage to land a zinger, I will have to counter retaliate with further insults. That's just how this is done. Oh, no, please don't. Dude, I'm being totally serious right now. I'm not playing. Well...

What would you say? Okay, you know those famous terracotta warrior statues that were supposedly buried with the first Han emperor thousands of years ago? There's hundreds of these clay fuckers, and they got found by an archaeologist in the 70s. You've seen them, right? Yeah. Yeah.

Dude, everybody knows those are fake as shit, but nobody has the balls to say it. It is so obvious, dude. They don't even look old. Each one of those things looks like something you'd buy at HomeGoods for $39.99, reduced from $59.99 because no one is buying them because they're dumb.

They're cheap and fake, and the Chinese made them just to look cool to the world. That's quite an accusation. Oh, come on, dude. I thought you of all people would be all over this.

I'm sick of this shit. These lying ass Chinese people. Okay, come on now. What? I didn't say a bad word. What, ass? Sorry, not sorry. I'll insult their statues. America is tired of this and we don't have to put up with it anymore. Did you hear that Trump just put a 90-day pause on all these tariffs except China? No. Wait, are you serious? Yes, just earlier today.

God damn it. There's a specific dude whose job it is to come tell me this stuff. Maybe he got doged. Anyway, what that means on my end is that I have to pause insults on other countries like Denmark and Canada, but I have a green light to insult China still, which is good. Most of my roast jokes are about China anyway.

Does the president really have any plan at all with these tariffs? This just sounds like chaos. Between you and me, I'd say absolutely not. It is chaos. Like, no doubt, dude. But publicly, I'll say the president is playing 5D chess. That no one in the world is smart enough to detect. Just him.

Honestly, Trump doesn't seem like a guy who'd even play regular chess. Oh, no way. Supposedly someone tried to teach him one time and details are sketchy, but there was a lot of yelling. The board got ripped in half and he had eaten at least one of the chess pieces. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

I see. Yeah, dude, I'm staying out of it. Somebody basically gave a monkey a gun and I'm just sticking to my assigned tasks of making people mad by saying things. Which I'm very good at.

And my target is now the Chinese. So that's like fish in a barrel. So I'm in my lane. I'm focused, unbothered, moisturized, ready for the task at hand. So you're just really thriving then. Jimmy, you know it. It is an amazing time to be alive. You know, if you're not most people. Shouldn't your administration be trying to improve people's lives instead of financially imperil them?

Well now that's so stupid it sounds like something a Chinaman would say. Boom! Roasted! That's from the office. I got you and China in one zinger. Am I the insult goat or what? Just earning my paycheck doing the thing. Okay, well I have to go. I'm gonna get AI to make a fake commercial for a restaurant that serves dogs and cats.

I'll let you know how it turns out. Later, Gator. Okay.

Medium speeds and jumps to medium and hits them head on. It's the Jimmy Dore Show. So Dave Smith went on Joe Rogan's show and he debated this guy Douglas Murray. Douglas Murray, number one best-selling author of eight books, blah, blah. He writes for The Spectator, The New York Post, and he's a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, right? So that's just suspect. But...

Douglas Murray is not an expert on anything. I think he has a bachelor's degree. Can you see what he has his bachelor's degree in? I want to say English, but I think that's wrong. But anyway, the reason why I mention that is that his whole argument is you're not an expert.

Meanwhile, he's not an expert. What does that mean? You're an expert, right? Dr. Fauci is an expert, right? The people saying that we should have gone into Iraq and Libya and Ukraine, they're experts. Degree in English? Degree in English. Is that what he is? Yeah. Douglas Murray? Yeah. Yeah. He has a degree. He has an undergraduate degree, right? Just a bachelor's.

In English. It looks... So, I mean... And if it wasn't for the people who... Anyway...

I'm going to play a little bit of this for you. And just to show you, by the way, Joe Rogan's audience completely revolted against Douglas Murray. Now, Douglas Murray, a lot of people liked him. I liked when he argued against censorship. He argued against open borders in Europe. And so that's not to say that he's wrong about everything. I'm just to say that during this debate on Joe Rogan, he exposed himself publicly.

for using the most moronic non-arguments possible.

And you're going to see it. I'll play this for you. This is like five minutes. I'm just going to, let's just watch this. I do also think that one of the bigger, um, kind of the bigger picture dynamics to all of this is that we have, um, at least since nine 11 been in a state of perpetual war. And all of these wars have been disasters. They have been so many lies involved in selling all of them. I mean, now just, I'll stop it quickly. Uh, Doug,

Douglas Murray, very pro-war. Keep that in mind. Okay? And so that's why he doesn't like Dave saying this. And he's, you know, so again, wrong. Tremendously wrong on hugely important things. He's not an expert on war. He's not a general. He didn't go to war college, but he gets to opine on it. Everybody gets to opine on it. Okay, here we go.

The whole Iraq war, the whole war in Afghanistan, just lying the whole way through. I mean, I remember literally having conversations with Green Berets in the middle of the war in Afghanistan. And they're like, George W. Bush is telling you that the army we're building up there is really successful. This thing is going to fall in a week without us. And then all through the Obama administration, it's just like lie after lie after lie with disastrous wars. And so this does create a fertile ground.

ground for people to say, I wonder if they were lying about all these wars. Again, I'm not really trying to argue about World War II. I'd rather argue about these wars today. I think the interesting question is whether you're busy watering it. Well, should you not talk about mistakes that were made overall? Absolutely. Okay, you should. Absolutely. So he's immediately contradicting himself.

So Douglas Murray immediately says, you shouldn't say, you shouldn't talk about these things. And then Joe says, well, you're not supposed to talk about it. He goes, oh, no, you should talk about it. Okay. I mean, it's like this for an hour, at least. You should say what I want. That's what he means. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So Kurt is here. Hi, Kurt. Hey. So here we go. Right. All four going back and looking at mistakes. So what is your argument then? So what is your argument?

Well, let's hear the circuitous logic he uses. Very weird thing to go back, zone in on a man, say this one thing is a mistake and should characterize him, and you ignore everything else. You're taking him out of context when you're talking about Darryl, who's done, what was it, 30 plus hours? So what? 30 plus hours of podcasting. You do that in a week.

Yeah, it's a very different thing. He's not doing a podcast like talking to people. Okay, nor is he doing scholarly work, nor is he working in the archives. Come on. I mean, he is not the historian of our era. So nobody's allowed to give an opinion or to do 30 hours of a podcast on a subject if you clearly don't have a degree in it. He doesn't have a degree in shit.

The guy who's saying it. He doesn't have an honorary PhD from Tel Aviv or something? No, he has an undergraduate degree in English.

Yeah. Wow. Well, he's got a PhD in sass. This is a thing, Joe. This is like punching jelly. No, but you don't consume his work. I'm saying because I don't need to consume endless versions of a revisionist. Like punching jelly. Is that some kind of homophobic slur? Well, well, Mr. Murray, jelly's right there. Start punching.

Don't tell me about punching jelly and don't punch the jelly. Great. Now I'm hungry and I have a boner. Okay. So my point is he doesn't ever punch. He just makes these BS arguments that you're not an expert and you're focusing on the wrong. He doesn't ever make an actual argument about anything.

This was a bad idea. So what I think Douglas Murray, so first of all, Glenn Greenwald made this point that if someone has a British accent, most people ascribe about 20% higher IQ points than they should. And if someone has a Southern American accent, they go 20% lower than they should. But this is- Sam Harris, for some reason, they give him like 40 points. Yeah, because if you talk really softly-

Really softly, it makes you sound smarter. If more kids had died in the pandemic, then a lot more people would have been concerned about the dead kids. Yeah, if something that didn't happen would have happened, then things would have been different. If the facts would have lined up differently, believe me, things would have been different if the facts were different. That's Sam Harris's argument about COVID. And now his... So anyway, so...

Let's get back to this. History, I understand. But it's not revisionist history. If you listen to his work, it's not revisionist history. He's basing it on historical work. Yeah, I know. Okay, so this is my point about Jelly. It's a shape-shifting thing. Comedian or historian? He's not a comedian. Historian. So he's saying that you can't be a comedian and talk about history.

You have to be a history expert, meaning you have to be degreed. I guess that's what he means. And if you're a comedian, you're not allowed to talk about anything, which is just complete garbage. Say it. Dave Smith is the shape-shifting jelly. Yeah, that's what he's saying. Pick one, comedian or historian. Well, what are you? What are you? Douglas Murray is, you're not a historian. You're not an expert.

You're just a guy with an accent who's wrong about most things. Write about something. Sweet has borough pay. Yes. Write about some things wrong about most things and wrong in a glaring way. Or podcast. It would be historian or actual historian. You say he doesn't claim to be a historian, but he's pumping out tens of hours of history. Dan Carlin. He doesn't claim to be a historian either. You see my point about the move.

So Dan Carlin, no, he doesn't criticize Dan Carlin because Dan Carlin agrees with him on Israel, Palestine, and all the other garbage.

So it's okay if a guy isn't a bona fide historian, credentialed, and he opines. It's just what people that disagree with him. So this was the worst idea for Douglas Murray to do this. What I think Douglas Murray thought, I think he thought he was such an intellectual superior to Joe Rogan and Dave Smith that he was going to just come in there and be able to just wipe the floor with them. And then, of course, Dave Smith and Joe Rogan are much smarter than he thought they were.

And just using basic logic and he gets exposed. This was such a bad idea for him to do this.

Such a bad idea. He lost lots of fans. You know who didn't lose lots of fans? Joe Rogan and Dave Smith. They didn't lose one fan during this. This guy, lots of people were like, you know what? I really liked him because of what he said around the census or COVID or immigrant. Yeah, but this was just disgusting. Yes, it was. Okay, so I'll try to stop stopping it, but here we go. It's like some weird jujitsu move where you say, hang on, you know all about this as well.

You say, I'm not a historian, but I'm going to spend my time talking about history. I'm not a journalist, but I'm going to spend my time talking about this thing. I'm not an expert on this, but I'm going to spend my time talking about this thing. It's a weird move. Yeah. Yeah. By jujitsu move. You mean by destroying your self with just logic? You mean that kind of jujitsu?

With just by a guy using facts and logic and our actual arguments to destroy your bullshit. That's the jujitsu because he's also a comedian because someone also excels at an art. They're not also allowed to make great arguments about something else. This, that, this, this is what it was like for the whole fricking show.

Well, he's missing the main point is, yeah, no, here's the problem. The experts have cocked this up so bad. Yes. An idiot can now see the obvious that all the wars were lies and a bad idea. You don't have to be bright. You had to have seen some TV and been outside once or twice. It's exactly right. So the experts have screwed up to the point that they, it's not jujitsu. They did it to themselves.

I guess it's a jujitsu. Is it a jujitsu move? Like, you know, when you're punching yourself in your own dick and shouting, shut up, you're not an expert. So here we go. No. You don't think? No, I'm a free American. I can talk about what I like to. You can talk about what you want. So what is the point here? I've noticed you can. But what's the point? The point is, what are you pushing? What are you watering?

Why pushing? Yes. Liberty, free markets, peace, prosperity, not getting in another stupid catastrophic war, which we're on the precipice of right now. That's what I'm pushing. What are we on the precipice of? Well, I think you were just talking about it the other day. Everyone I hear on the inside says we're the... So a guy who comes on to say you guys aren't experts doesn't even know about the precipice of a war we're on right now. What precipice? About to attack around.

I think you just said something about that the other day. Am I wrong about that? I thought I saw one of your interviews that you did. Possibly. That doesn't mean we are on the verge of a war. I mean, you keep referring to we being in wars. There's a very big difference between a country having a military that's engaged...

And so this is the kind of arguments he does. You saying we? Yes. That's what everyone uses that term. Everyone uses that pronoun when they talk about their country being in a war. They say we for when the United States is in a war. They say this is the kind of so he doesn't have an argument. And so they spend almost 90 percent of the time doing bullshit like this.

You're talking in a circle. Talks in a circle. Of course you're allowed to talk about it, but you shouldn't talk about it if you're not an expert. Well, you're not, but everybody's at it. It's amazing. I talked to Dave right after this in the green room. He was there. Joe was there. And Dave was like, I don't know, maybe I should have been more aggressive at him. I'm like, no, that's what I would have done, which is a big mistake. Joe wanted him to be exactly what it was, calm, and let this idiot demonstrate what he brought to the table.

I don't want to hear, hey, I know I'm not an expert. Hey, can you tell me why my thing's wrong? Yeah, I'd like your expertise to tell me I'm wrong because I don't want to be right about this, by the way, Douglas. If if if Dave Smith is not an expert, like you say, you should be able to wipe the floor with them. Then this non expert who doesn't know what he's talking about. Why don't you go after Dave Smith's arguments and expose them for being wrong?

Well, because they're right. And he's the guy who doesn't know what he's talking about, which is why he talks about semantics. He said it's already settled consensus history stuff. That was his first thing. He's like, I'm not going to go re-examine things. I've already decided. Okay, here we go. And a country being at war.

This country has not been at war for 25 years. You have not been fighting for the American homeland for 25 years. Yes, we haven't. That's true. We haven't had a war on our shores. We've been picking on third world countries. They told us we were. They told us we fight them there so we don't fight them here. That's right. That's exactly right. Later used in the Ukraine thing. That's exactly right. They said it was for our liberty. That's right. Preemptive. Right. So, okay.

Well, you haven't been randomly picking on them. I mean, Afghanistan, you went to... I didn't say it was random. Yeah, right, okay. It wasn't like you suddenly decided to bomb, again, Myanmar or something. You went to Afghanistan to find bin Laden and take revenge for 9-11 and stop an attack like that happening again on the American homeland. Right.

That is very different from a country being at war. Yeah, that's a total mischaracterization of the war in Afghanistan It's one thing to say that might be an accurate characterization of the special operations mission in late 2001 But then we thought then we thought a 20-year regime change war against the talent. You got dragged into the quicksand of war Yeah, okay fine, but I thought it wasn't a war like what I don't know and he just said you I

He just did the thing that he said Dave Smith shouldn't do. We, we, you have. And then he said, well, you got dragged into it. He just did the exact same thing. So it just shows you he's just grasping at straws using bullshit argument after bullshit argument to try to back up his bullshit position, which is completely easily poked holes through, which is what Dave Smith got dragged into the quicksand of war, which he just said we didn't have. Yeah, we didn't have.

And by the way, how is it different? Is there a certain number of people that have to die? Right. And a certain number of troops that have to go over? A certain amount of money we spend? We haven't had a war since World War II, apparently. Apparently. Officially. It's your use of we, right?

As if you're personally like suffering this war. Yeah, you're tax when I say we were taxed so we pay for it. Okay fine Doug's would you go if I went back and corrected you on every time you've used the term we to refer to your government or something like that like if I were to say oh we just imposed tariffs on China, would you point out that I didn't and it was a Trump administration you take it obviously very personally and that that's Your right to do so. I'm just trying to make sure we're accurate. What do you think I'm taking personally? American Wars

Sure. Yeah. I think they've killed hundreds of thousands of people and cost my country $8 trillion and degraded my country very much. And there's a very good argument to make on that.

I'm still slightly... Okay, so then why don't you counter that argument then? But instead, you're going to start talking... Instead, you're just going to talk about semantics instead. Well, that's a very good argument to be made for that. Yeah, I know, I just made it. Yeah, he just made it. I just made that very good argument. In front of your dumb face. Was I jelly? Amused about this move from...

I'm an expert on this, and I have used to. Oh, enough. I'm a comedian. I've never claimed to be an expert on anything. This is the problem, Joe. I mean, if somebody says. Wait a minute, you have to claim to be an expert on something to have an opinion on something? No, you don't have to be. You don't have to be. Well, that's what you're saying. I'm not a historian. That's exactly what he's saying. That's exactly what you're saying. Wow.

So again, he'll do anything except engage Dave Smith's actual arguments. This is circular logic. It's all semantical. None of it means anything. And by the way, Douglas Murray, not an expert on jack shit, unless you want to talk about his English degree, which he got an undergraduate degree in. I thought he had some, at least a Bill Cosby doctorate at least.

All these guys that go on to argue this stuff, Coleman Hughes, after I went on, and asked Norman Finkelstein when he was talking to Destiny, because Destiny threatened to sue about this, but Destiny, some group was paying Destiny and coached him for a week before he got torn apart. That's right. I'll bet you this idiot got coaching before this. Yeah. And this is the result. And this is the result. Get it?

but I'm pumping out history. I'm not an expert, but I'm talking all the time about this thing. But you're not even talking about specifically on what he just said. Yes. No, I'm saying, this is my point about this. You say, I'm not an expert. So what's the solution? To not talk about it? No, it's to have more experts around. Ah.

Well, the expert class hasn't done a great job. I know. This is follow the science. Absolutely. Absolutely. I agree with that. I just said to you, I agree with that. But one of the problems is, fire away. During all of COVID, I will put my track record against any of the expert class on COVID. I'm glad to do that. So should I have just shut up? Should I have shut up by opposing lockdowns and opposing vaccine mandates and talking about the lab week theory? That was the argument at the time. You realize that, right? That's the entire argument that you're making. Let the experts handle this. I'm not.

So that's what this show was. Do you want to see more of it? That's what it was like for three hours straight. Hey, Jimmy, you know, I'm no Sir Michael Rappaport. You know I'm not an expert on it. Hey, Dave Rubin, that shape-shifting, isn't he a comedian and a guy that, I've never saw him do comedy in New York, by the way. I've only seen him do one thing, but I know Douglas Murray doesn't have no problem with Dave Rubin. Of course not.

And Douglas Murray should be he's he's more he's he's better suited to be like one of those mean chefs yelling. Yeah. He who shouts at you for not having a clean grill. That's that's what he should be doing. OK, so that's so I want to show you this real quick. Here's here's one more stupid thing he did.

So here he is trying to diminish Dave Smith's argument, not by attacking his argument, by saying that you're not allowed to have an argument because you haven't physically been in Israel.

That's like saying I can't have an opinion on Vietnam because I haven't been to Vietnam. I can't have an opinion on the Iraq war. Both of them, which we were lied into. I can't because I haven't been to Iraq. I can't have an opinion on Libra, Libya or Syria or which we were 100 percent right about, by the way. And Ukraine can't I can't have because I haven't been there.

So this is his argument now. And again, it's not about the argument. It's about why you're not allowed to have an argument. And he is because he has an accent. He doesn't have a degree in shit.

Well, he's been to the crossing point. But he's been to Israel. Why are there crossing points in these people's land where they're from? Why are there any crossing points? Why are there settlements? Have you been to a settlement? Why is that a thing? Why do you have settlers? That shows me you're trying to take all the land from those people, doesn't it? When were you last there at all? I've never been. You've never been? Am I not allowed to talk about it now?

I've never been to, have you ever been to Nazi Germany? Are you allowed to have feelings about them? You can't time travel, but you can. Okay, but so what? So what's the point? Like, okay. Lots of people have been there and agree with me and lots of people have been there and agree with you. Yeah, but if you're going to spend a year and a half talking about a place, you should at least do the courtesy of visiting it. I just think this is a non-artist. You don't think?

If he goes to the Supreme Court of Ukraine, Douglas Murray supports that. That is a non-argument. That's not an argument. You haven't been there. You should do the courtesy. The courtesy. Yeah, that's not an argument. I can have an opinion on Venezuela and the United States sanctions on it. I don't have to go to Venezuela to have that argument. I don't have to go to the border to opine about open borders.

I don't, I don't have to, I don't, you don't have to do these things. I don't have to go to Florida to talk about how they handled COVID better than every other state. This is just, again, this is, so this is what it happens. It's a courtesy thing, Jimmy. He goes, how you should have the courtesy. Well, duly noted, Douglas. Next time, buddy, next genocide, I'll do the courtesy of going to the checkpoints myself. But now that we're here, let's talk about the bullshit that they're doing. That's right. And answer my goddamn questions. You call other people jelly. Yeah, that's exactly right. Um,

He did this disgusting thing where saying that...

Well, I want to show you that his audience, the audience. So first of all, here he is. Douglas Murray touted his trips to Israel and the Gaza border as some sort of proof of his impartiality and expertise. While in Israel last year, Murray received an award from the Israeli government for serving as their propagandist. Here it is. Douglas Murray has received an award from Israel President Itzhak Herzog.

for services rendered during the Gaza genocide. It's an extraordinary privilege for me to align with the state of Israel. Gus, the Israel asset, Douglas Murray, at the president's residence.

What'd you say, Kurt? Do you want a Zoggy this year? I guess so. For the Isaac Hurt Talk Award. And Joe Rogan's audience saw right through him. Here's one that got like, I don't know, about 19,000 likes. It says, 40 minutes in, here's the summary. Douglas, people will claim to be an expert and then hide behind, I'm just a comedian when they're challenged. Dave says, I've never claimed to be an expert. Douglas, you're not.

You see, Joe, this is the problem. When people who aren't experts talk about this stuff. Joe, are you saying only experts are allowed to talk about this stuff? Douglas, no, you don't need to be an expert to talk about this stuff. Well, it's just...

When do we talk about this stuff, by the way? He didn't challenge any of Dave's arguments at all. None. If you had it, it would have stuck out. I'd be like, God, Dave should have done his homework on that. Yeah. You actually went, oh, did Dave lose before you even started? I missed it? So right at the end, it says, repeat these quotes about six to eight times, and you have basically listened to the first 40 minutes of the show. That got 19,000 likes.

So Joe Rogan's audience seeing right through him. Here's another one. Douglas Murray, MD, DDS, PhD, MSEO, AIP, APAC. That's his that's his real expertise. Today, I learned that arguing for censorship while affecting not to be arguing for censorship will have you running around in circles.

As someone who was constantly looking for new ways to gaslight my friends in political chats, I have learned so much from Douglas in this podcast. 4,000 likes. So that's all Douglas Murray was doing was gaslighting and fighting straw men and fighting over semantics. That was all he was doing. I didn't even see him get to the fight. I just saw him. Yeah.

Talking about who's an expert. Patience, thy name is Joe Rogan. Here's one more. We'll read this one. Murray saying Dave shouldn't take U.S. wars personally made my jaw drop. Yes, we Americans are responsible for what our government does and who they kill. It's our tax money they're using to do it. We vote for the representatives. This is the government supposedly of the people, by the people, and for the people. We are responsible.

Yeah. 4,000 likes. You think the fentanyl problem was not from our Afghanistan adventures into Pock P-Land? You think that really? Here's another one. I finished this episode and can now officially claim to have more patients than John the Baptist. I'm not an expert, but I'm going to act like I know everything about you from the Internet, Douglas Murray, not even five minutes in.

I've never turned off a Rogan show, but I cannot listen to this guy's stupidity for another minute. So Joe Rogan's entire audience saw through this guy.

This was his this was this guy's a big, big mistake because the guy had a lot of fans, fans who agree with him on other things. He's but he shows himself to be wildly inconsistent. Yes, we should all speak up against covid, even if you're not a virologist. Yes, we should all speak up against open borders, even though we're not some kind of policy expert. It's just amazing.

Well, let's get to the topic, though. Here's what I don't get. We still, it's like talking about Kamala or something. Israel has a Kamala-level campaign on their behalf. Yes. It sucks. Everyone's robbing them. No one's answering a question. And only idiots think that they're doing a good job selling this to people. They got to sell this to people because we're going to Iran. So they need to sell this the way I felt on 9-11 where they were like, we're going to Iraq. And I said, okay, sounds good to me because 9-11 happened.

October 7th didn't happen to me, and I don't have the same feelings about 9-11 I had 20 years ago. I kind of feel like I got had a little bit. So to expect that all these people are going to now feel this for Israel to the point where they'd send their kids to go die, I think you're asking for a lot, you know? A heck of a lot. Okay, so now we have to bring in our – so here's how I summed it up.

Douglas Murray is so easily exposed as another guy on the wrong side of history who doesn't have an argument that stands up to the slightest scrutiny from a comedian. So he screams, you're not an expert instead of making an argument. Dave Smith for the win easily. If Murray had a shred of capacity for normal shame, he would feel humiliated and wouldn't show his face in public for at least a year or two. But

But of course he doesn't. He's one of these narcissistic maniacs who thinks because he has an accent, it's going to impart some kind of expertise, which he doesn't have. It's the only way he can come, actually. Hey, you know, here's another great way you can help support the show is you become a premium member. We give you a couple of hours of premium bonus content every week.

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We showed you that video that looked like it was made by Michael Mann of them taking those 250 people and sending them to a dungeon to be tortured in El Salvador. And well, it turns out now 90% of them don't even have a criminal record. That's in the United States or out of the United States. But even a bigger story. Oh, my God. What about the ones with a criminal record? Did they get any of them? It sounds like 10% of them, Kurt.

So nice. Our Afghan numbers. Yep. So but here's an even bigger story. Trump administration facility must facilitate return of man erroneously deported to El Salvador. Who said that? The right wing Republican conservative Supreme Court just crossed Donald Trump. So I love how they all people always say how Trump's going to be a dictator. They go, oh, he controls the Supreme Court. Well, they just crossed him.

They made it sounds like the right decision on this one. Sounds like they made the right decision. Well, let's the Supreme Court is requiring that Trump administration to facilitate the return of a Maryland man deported last month to a notorious prison in El Salvador due to what officials described as an administrative error.

The justices turned down the administration's request to set aside a judge's order that the United States officials seek Kilmar Abrego Garcia's release and return to the U.S. after he was flown to El Salvador despite an immigration court order that he not be sent there due to the threat of persecution by a local gang. Is he not a gang member?

The judge order properly requires the government to facilitate Garcia's release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador. That's what the Supreme Court said. That's the right wing Republican GOP conservative Supreme Court, the one that Trump is supposed to be able to control.

The high court's ruling doesn't explicitly mention bringing Garcia back to the United States, but it leaves in place the bulk of U.S. District Court Judge Paul Xenis' order that specifically required his return to the United States. Just hours after the justices ruled, Xenis ordered the Trump administration to take all available steps to

to facilitate the return of Garcia to the United States as soon as possible. The judge also demanded details from the administration about Garcia's current location and status and what steps the officials are taking to facilitate his return. The Supreme Court's decision is a significant rejection of the Trump administration's claim

that it lacked any power and therefore could not be compelled to attempt to remedy its admitted error. It also comes just days after the justices ruled that the administration must provide due process to other foreign nationals that President Trump has sought to quickly deport using rarely invoked war power. So the Supreme Court is going 100 percent against Donald Trump's

deportation of those people to El Salvador. That's what's that. Those war powers that rarely invoked really, I don't think they are.

Thursday's ruling could have consequences that are beyond Garcia's case. The Salvadorian citizen was deported aboard a controversial series of flights last month that also included about 130 Venezuelan men who were expelled from the U.S. after Trump invoked the Alien Enemies Act of 1798 against alleged members of the Tren de Argoa gang. Um...

If you're in that gang, I probably don't like you, but at least make sure they're in the gang. You're not doing that much? They're not even doing that much. I think 158 of them were in prison for misgendering waitstaff at a vegan steakhouse.

The new decision explicitly declares that individuals who contend they were illegally deported from the U.S. can continue to seek remedies from the United States courts. That could open the door to challenges from those deported to El Salvador under the wartime statute who are now locked up in an anti-terrorism prison known for its harsh conditions.

On Monday, the justices similarly ruled that future efforts by the administration to summarily deport the Venezuelan nationals must...

include a chance for them to challenge the allegations that they are members of a gang. But that ruling did not reference the fate of roughly 130 men who were already transferred to El Salvador without due process. So apparently just going forward, Trump can't do this anymore. In the two-page decision, the justices also said Trump's administration must be prepared to share more details about its handling of Garcia and efforts it may have

made or will in the future to secure his return. However, the high court did instruct Zinnis, that's the other judge, to show due regard for the deference owed to the executive branch in the conduct of foreign affairs as she clarifies a provision in her order that required the United States government to effectuate Garcia's release. What does that mean? Um...

So effectuate, let's ask Suri what effectuate. To me it means you have to go do this. You have to make sure this happens. What's the definition of effectuate? Put into force or operation.

So they need to make sure it happens. There's some argument about the wording of, they said, effectuate and something else are not the same. They're arguing about what that word means. I know that. I saw that part of it. It's real annoying. But I just don't understand what the difference is. The judge, Zinus, ruled Friday that Garcia's deportation was illegal and that the Trump administration needed to arrange to bring him back by the United States by midnight Monday.

Justice Department officials argued that it was impossible for them to comply with the order. Can you believe that? In part because Garcia, who was born in El Salvador, is now in the custody of that country. They also argued that Zina's directive violated the Constitution by intruding on the president's powers over foreign relations and national security. The Trump administration's handling of the case prompted outrage among immigration advocates who

who argued that officials unwillingness to take any steps to arrange Garcia's return indicate foreigners and even Americans could be subject to erroneous deportation with no legal recourse. So here it is. Here's the next part of this story. 90% of those people they sent had no criminal record.

Yes, they said they were sending the worst of the worst, suggesting they were sending gang members involved in murder, rape and kidnapping. The reality is that of the 238 migrants, mostly Venezuelans, that were the officials accused of belonging to the Tren de Argoa gang and expelled to the Central American country in mid-March, just a small fraction had ever been charged with serious crimes.

in the united states hundreds of pages of u_s_ legal records in american government statements reviewed by bloomberg news

found five men charged with or convicted of felony assault or fire. So just five of them. Three men were charged with misdemeanors, including harassment and petty theft. Two others were charged with human smuggling. For the rest of the men, there was no available information showing they committed any crime other than traffic or immigration violations in the United States. The findings... Well, guess what? If you came illegally, I say get the hell out. It's a crime, but...

Are they sending him to another country that's not their country? Yes. Yes. People with no criminal record are going to spare Guantanamo? That's crazy to me. So what they're doing, so what, there's another name for this. And because we're paying El Salvador to jail these people. So El Salvador says they're making money off this.

So if we're taking people that are from Venezuela who are in the United States without a trial that the Supreme Court just said that they have a right to and we're sending them to another country for money, I'm pretty sure that's the definition of human trafficking.

Just so you know, the findings raise questions about how the Trump administration determined that the migrants sent to El Salvador were violent criminals. The U.S. maintains that all of the Venezuelans on the flights had committed a crime because they were in the country illegally. That's what. OK. OK. That is a crime. That is a crime. Send them home. But did you send them to. You're supposed to. You're supposed to send them back to their country, which Venezuela said they would take them.

Yeah, that's weird. Like I said, I don't care. They did commit a crime, but you're sending them to another Guantanamo in a different country they're not from. That seems off.

The official said many of the men who lacked U.S. records were nonetheless terrorists, human rights abusers or gangsters. Well, prove it. Why not give him a court date that the Supreme Court, the right wing GOP, Republican controlled conservative Supreme Court just said that they have a right to. That's not me saying it. That's not Nancy Pelosi. That's the right wing Republican controlled Supreme Court saying that.

How about a corrupt FISA court even? Do they even do that? No. Many of the men allegedly associated with Trey de Argois are deported under their care. A U.S. judge ordered the administration to stop, but on Monday, the Supreme Court said the administration can seek to resume deportations under the act if migrants are given notice and a chance to make their case to a judge. Well, that's totally different.

Yeah, they can do. So what the Supreme Court is saying, no, you can't keep doing this unless you give them a chance to make a date, their court date. You have to give them a court date so they can't keep doing it the way they've been doing it. Okay, that's a weird way to phrase it. Sure, you can keep doing it, but you can't keep doing it.

Media reports in the Washington Post and elsewhere have cast doubt on the White House's portrayals of the men as criminals. And lawyers have said that some individuals were identified as gang members based on the types of clothing they were wearing or the tattoos that they had. Really?

Look, if you came here illegally, that's criminal. I don't really care about the gang thing. I don't understand why you're using gang justification to send people to like crazy terrorist prison. It's really strange. A CBS News investigation found that three-fourths of the men sent to El Salvador could not be connected with a U.S. or international criminal record. Three-fourths. That's like eight out of ten, seven out of ten? Yeah.

Now, Bloomberg's review of U.S. court cases and government statements show there's very little publicly available documentation to support the notion that only violent offenders were sent away. The administration has acknowledged in court that not all the men have criminal records, but say it's only further evidence of the threat that they pose. You've got to be sure. Look, if you came here illegally, that's the crime. That's good enough for me. I don't understand why you have to do it the wrong way.

Here's the quote from the official. It demonstrates that they are terrorists with regard to whom we lack a complete profile.

Oh, my God. So, yeah, it's bad that that that it's bad if you have a criminal record. But you know what's worse? If you don't have a criminal record, that's proof that you're a terrorist. That's awful. That's like absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Remember that Rumsfeld? Yes, that's right. Yeah, it's amazing.

Bloomberg obtained a list of the passengers and examined their criminal histories by reviewing U.S. federal court records, media reports, and public statements by government officials. The search also included state court dockets, though not all local courts make records available online. There were 13 court cases involving people with names that were similar to a deportee, though not an exact match. Those weren't included in the final tally because the connection couldn't be confirmed.

Wow. Well, hey, it's America. You're lucky we checked for your name at all, I guess, when we just didn't go off your skin color. Or a tattoo that is a little bit tenuous. Yeah. Like a crown tattoo, which literally every Latino in a hood has.

That's really like... So it's amazing how they can F up this deportation thing like this in such unbelievable, unconstitutional ways to where the Republican Supreme Court has to lay down the law and say, hey, you can't keep doing it like that. Really? Really?

You have to break the Constitution to enforce the Constitution? You can't send them to their own country. And just send them back to their own country. Just send them back to their own goddamn country. You want to lie that they're terrorists to send them to weird Guantanamo II in El Salvador? That's really bad. RFK Jr. says he's going to find out the cause of autism by September.

So isn't that nice to know that by September, that he's going to know what millions of Americans already know? Yeah. But that's how we do things. I'm sure none of the documents are going to be blacked out and that we're going to get the complete story. Right? That's how they do things. Yeah.

Anyway, I mean, here's what he had to say. Let's listen. We have now, the autism rates have gone from now most recent numbers we think are going to be about 1 in 31. I'm 1 in 12, so they're going up again. Wow. 1 in 31 kids are autistic? Those are horrible numbers. And thanks to RFK Jr., now we know why. Anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism.

You know what, Jimmy? I didn't put it together. Anti-Semitism has been rising and autism. And autism. Pretty clear. Pretty clear connection. I mean, I'm kidding, but I'm pretty sure he's going to say that next. I'm pretty sure. He already did say it several times. One in 31 kids. One in 31 kids are autistic. How the hell are we going to fight Iran?

in a video game tournament come on are you kidding me here we go listen to what he has to say we have now the autism rates have gone from now most recent numbers we think are going to be about one in 31. I'm one in 12 so they're going up again from one in 10 000 when I was a kid

And we are going at your direction. We are going to know by September, we've launched a massive testing and research effort that's going to involve hundreds of scientists from around the world. By September, we will know what has caused the autism epidemic and we'll be able to eliminate those exposures. Think of that. So it was one in 10,000 children had autism.

And now it's one in 31, not 31,000, 31. That is a horrible statistic, isn't it? And there's got to be something artificial out there that's doing this. So you think you're going to have a pretty good idea, huh? We will not buy September. There will be no bigger news conference than that. So that's it. If you can come up with that answer where you stop taking something, you stop eating something, or maybe it's a shot.

but something's causing it it can't be it can't be uh from ten thousand to can you imagine that marco that's a big that's a big number thank you very much you're doing great thank you well it's funny he turns to little marco rubio and says that's a big number that's big can you believe that marco uh come on marco i mean um

If we're playing tic-tac-doa in the skies above, I mean, what could be causing it? I don't know. Maybe that we're being dusted with aluminum and barium into our soil and water and our cloud seeding, and maybe we're eating vax fruits and vegetables from supposed health food stores. The last thing I need to do is catch vegetitis B at the salad bar. Am I right? Come on. Yeah. Well, my question is, why would it be this high if it's not on purpose? Because...

Autistic people are the perfect, like, they all love stupid, like, MCU crap, but they're good at computers. It's almost like you're creating the ideal employees of tomorrow. Yeah. People that compartmentalize easily, get on board with masking. They love every stupid new Disney thing, even if they're 40, you know? Yeah.

That's just my silly goose mind. Yeah, and I think it is a combination of a lot of things, like Trump just said, shots. I think also all the poisons we're putting in our air, all the poisons we're putting in our food, all the hormones we're putting in our food. I started crying the other day when I was eating some chicken piccata, and I spilled it all over my tits. I'm not saying... What? What?

I'm not saying there's a lot of hormones in our food, but I've got a nice rack now. I've got my period for the third time today after I had this chicken burrito. So I just don't I do find it curious that he can pinpoint a month.

Like, we're going to figure this out in, let me see, it's April, May, June, July, August, September. Did he say September? Yes. So in five months, really, they can figure out exactly where I... Do they already know and they're going to release it? Sounds like. Are they going to track down the guy that's got the redactions on the thing where you could just read what the deal is that they've known for a long time? Like every single thing in history? Yeah.

Well, he talks about that. What was that? Simpson Woods conference back in the late 90s. RFK talks about the Simpson Woods where they all got together over the rise in autism and their fear that it was connected to it was connected to vaccines. That was that was what he said. Simpson Woods was all. Remember that they held the meeting at set some kind of some some kind of

It wasn't in any government building. It was in some other state at some kind of retreat. So you couldn't launch a FOIA because it wasn't at a government building. It wasn't an official government thing. Chatham House rules. Yeah, the Chatham House rules. You know what we said, Chatham House. Yeah.

So, yeah. Anyway, there it is. RFK Jr. says we're going to know the cause of autism by September. Holy shit. I got to tell you what. Take your...

I would take your money out of Pfizer stock right now. That's all I'm saying. I think they knew the cause of autism by 20 years ago, September, and they're just saying now we're going to drop that bomb. And it is anti-Semitism. Damn you, anti-Semitism. Damn you, anti-Semitism. Perhaps a greater Israel is the only cure for my crippling autism.

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