Brothers Osborne: Unapologetically Unique
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Is this thing on? What's up, babies? Welcome to another episode of Dumb Blonde. Today, I have the boys on the couch, Brothers Osborne, the brothers who have rocked country music, redefined brotherhood, and proved that being different might just be your greatest hit. Welcome, boys. Thank you. Thank you. I worked hard on that. That made me feel good. Good.

I love you guys. My husband loves you guys. Well, we love you guys. Honestly, I feel like, I mean, you know, his career is just like taken off to the stratosphere, but in such a short period of time. But I love that I've gotten to know you guys just a little bit before that happened. You guys haven't changed at all. We appreciate you guys. And I have always been obsessed with you because of how you dress. It's so cowboy couture. And I'm just like, it's so like tailored and just perfect. Every time I see you, I'm like, this outfit is fucking amazing.

Thank you. That means a lot coming from you. Well, I mean, where does the style, the sense of style come from? Is it something that you obsess about? I think it's multiple things. One, it's probably the fact that I'm a gay man. They're in there somewhere. It certainly doesn't hurt. And then

We have stylists that help with this stuff. And of course, Abby is very stylish. So that's always at the last... Every time, even I got dressed for the awards, I'm like, this jacket, this jacket. Yeah, no, it's always... It's amazing. Top tier always. Even when I was a kid, I kind of loved wearing... Oddly, I mean, before I even...

had any clue what my sexuality was. When I look back now, I'm like, oh my God, you were so gay. Like I would wear like striped shirt, like a TGI Friday's red and white striped shirt with like a bow tie when I was like eight. That's hot though. His choice. I love that. I got my hair up, super neat. Yeah. It's kind of like, have you seen Right to Chimstones? Of course. I just watched the finale last night. So the latest season when there's the, what's his character? He's the little boy. Yes, yes, yes. That was basically me as a kid.

No, I think that's phenomenal because fashion, I love fashion. So even as a kid, I wore a red plaid skirt and an I rode the bull at Gillies t-shirt all the time and you couldn't tell me any different. But even when I think back to it now, I wear band tees and plaid skirts still and sometimes it's something you're just born with too. I know, isn't it weird? Like John's kids, he's got twins. The twins, yeah. And to watch just one just be a boy and the girl, she just naturally like,

she couldn't even speak yet and she showed up I don't know if it was to Christmas or something or Thanksgiving and she has this she's a year and a half and she's like check out check this out she's like this dress and she does like a turn and she's looking at it she's like check this badass thing out she's got Uncle TJ's fashion sense I love

that covered in dirt and his own gunk he's got my fashion sense oh boy yeah i love that so you said you had a story to tell me that i was yeah so this is probably a year this is on the record this is on the record it's on the record a year ago a year and a half ago it was not long after we had kids and um my wife gets hit up from her management

She's an artist as well Amazing singer-songwriter And yeah You got asked to do Your podcast Right And she was like Okay yeah I'm not sure why I don't really have any music out But you know We've talked about like Fertility stuff And kids And she's like Maybe she wants to Maybe go into that Or whatever Turned out it was a scam Oh

Yes. And it was basically someone said, well, you have to sign on, but you have to give us like log into your computer so we can access it from afar. And Lucy signed on and then got kind of freaked out and was like, this doesn't seem right. And then closed the tab. Fortunately, they didn't like going and get all of our information, but they were seconds away from it. And she thought she was doing your podcast. Isn't that sad? I told you it was a little bit tragic. I hate it.

People, the scam shit is just getting so out of control. It is. But that's so specific to not only like... I get if you're like... If you're sitting like, you know, I'm a prince from Africa and you sit down... Right. Remember the Nigerian scams? The Nigerian scams. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But this is so specific, targeted at people where they would go, I...

They probably know that we know you guys, at least to some degree. Yeah. I hate that. I know. I was a little pissed, but also kind of impressed about the move, the scam. No. The way that they can even access people is just kind of, it's really scary. I know. Someone was actually texting her mom, pretending to be me. But the thing, I was in the room with my mom. She's like, is that you? And I'm like, what me? She's like, are you texting me? I'm like, why?

when i text you why is it old people always fall for it i know well that's like that's the saddest part they're often victims of that stuff which honestly i feel like i'm pretty savvy and they're still all the time i'm like is this ups yeah well lucy was really obsessed she was like i feel like such an idiot but i'm like look but it came through your management it wasn't like she got an email somewhere from a sketchy ass website but i get emails from john all the time it's like check out these pictures and i'm like my brother would

never send me a picture. He doesn't open any of my dick pics. What the hell? What are these pictures? I'm like... Somebody would be trying to get a hold of those. What if it really was him the whole time? He just wanted to see if you responded or not. Yeah.

Well, tell Lucy that I'm so sorry and that we will have to revisit that for sure now that I know that she's even willing to do that. Oh, of course. Yeah, yeah. I'll tell her that. It'll make her a little worried. And I actually wanted to talk about you guys' IVF journey too on the podcast, which we'll get into it later. Sure. I want to kind of paint a picture for my viewers at home who don't know you guys, kind of like your rise to fame. So if we could start where you guys grew up.

and go from there. Tell me a little bit about your childhood and what inspired you guys. Yeah, well, I mean, it's an interesting thing because, you know, for those who don't know, we're East Coast boys. We grew up in a little tiny water community called Deal, Maryland. And to a lot of people that do know that, they're always so surprised to hear that. They're like, how do you get into country music being from there? And

We shot our music video for a song. One of our first singles called Rum in our hometown to kind of give people a bit of a look-see into where we grew up because it makes total sense when you see it. And on the new music that we're working on, we kind of are going back to visiting that again where we're having a lot of, we'll go back and shoot videos and stuff back there in the hometown.

but yeah, I mean, it's, it's a very blue collar town. It's paradise. I mean, we grew up on the Chesapeake Bay. How beautiful was that? It was so beautiful and an amazing place to grow up. But you know, a lot of places like that tend to be, you know, like really fancy. It was not, I mean, it was really blue collar. Right. And, um,

Um, and so growing up around there, it was usually like, you know, people were mostly listening to rock or they listen in a country, which is pretty, I think for us to kind of have the blend of both, I think makes total sense. Um, and then our, both of our parents, uh, really tried their, their hand in music. Our dad sang and wrote songs and so did our mom. But then they had five kids and very little money. And our mom's a hairdresser. Her dad's a plumber. And,

so you guys are two of five. That's right. Yeah. Okay. I never, I didn't even, that didn't even come up on Google. So, um, where are the other three at? So, um, our oldest brother Jimbo's in, uh, lives in Delaware. Jimbo. Jimbo. We love Jimbo. Exactly. It's one step down from Jim Bob, but we got, uh, uh,

Rachel, she's in Florida. And then our sister Natalie works here in Nashville. She's in the music business as well. I think you may or may not have met her. Are they super supportive of you guys being in the music industry? Oh, extremely. Extremely so. But I think for us, it really kind of started as our parents' dream. We just kind of grew up around music all the time. We didn't really know any different. Mm-hmm.

Um, and then, you know, just kind of playing local bars and stuff. In fact, this tattoo, a lot of people want to know what's it about. It's the first band that me and John and our dad was, was in called deuce in a quarter after our car. That's a great name. I know. That's actually a really good name. And so we did that. And then slowly but surely we're like, okay, we need either do this full time or not. And we were definitely like, you know, the, at that time, a big fish in a small pond and

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met a bunch of different musicians and I ended up in a separate band with some other great musicians or friends of mine. Charlie Worsham. I don't know if you ever done anything with Charlie or I'm sure jelly might know Charlie. I think he does. Yeah. But a great session musician in town, this guy, Josh Matheny, who plays Dobro and a bunch of other really great musicians. And we had a band, it was called King Billy. It didn't really kind of pan out the way we wanted, but it was a great learning experience. Traveled all over the country in a van and,

way too many hours, way too many hours sleeping on a bench seat in a van, but it was totally worth it. In your early 20s, you can get away with that. And he was writing for the same publishing company at the same time, so he was still in town. We had written a few songs together for the band, and when that band broke up, he was doing his own project, so we were joining together, joining forces, writing a lot together together.

um playing shows and people kept going man we it's so cool that you and tj are finally in a band we're like well no we're not we're not doing a band we're just writing together and i'm playing guitar for them people kept showing up showing up and it just started to gain a lot of interest and it was not our intention at all everyone's like yeah let's go other brothers are playing tonight and eventually we had to just go is this like official what we had to do was go okay our mom was right yeah

Mom knows best. She didn't want it the whole time. We were like, no, mom, we know what we're doing. The second TJ popped out, she was like, finally, I got a duo. And Natalie popped out. She was like, I got a trio. So she's still waiting on that one. And yeah, and then everything kind of took off after that. It just seemed like we followed the natural course of things. It was like the universe was almost like, it was like divine. Something was making it happen. And then we listened to it and then the rest was history.

I love that. So have you guys always had a super close relationship even growing up? Yeah, we have. I mean, it's about as close to like twins as you would get without actually being twins. We just did everything together. What's the age difference? Two and a half. A little over two years. But we slept in bunk beds our whole lives, shared a bedroom together. Still do on the bus. And now we joke as we do. We've grown up and have...

You live in separate houses, but we sleep half the year with each other on a bus and bunk beds again. So we haven't gotten that far. Where does the rock influence come from? Because you guys, for being country, you guys have a pretty rocker sound also. A lot to do with where we grew up. I grew up listening. Guitar became my favorite thing in the world when I was like 12. Who taught you the guitar?

My dad, our dad taught me some chords. My cousin Johnny taught me how to solo or my uncle Bill taught me a little bit. It was a bit of everyone. They wouldn't let me sit down with the family and sit around the table unless I would practice and I was good enough to hold my own. So if there's a, if you want to get me to do anything, just tell me that I can't and I won't fucking do it.

So I would just sit in the other room practicing, practicing, practicing. You can't paint my house. Yeah, yeah. Damn it. And yeah, I do a lot of things out of spite mostly. But anyway, so I did that. But I was obsessed with like guitar and rock music is just like go hand in hand. And we grew up listening to country. I rebelled against that a bit because it was like what our whole family listened to in my early teenage years. I was like love Nirvana and Pearl Jam and Stone Temple Plays.

Pilots. That was an iconic time in music. My first concert was Stone Temple Pilots. Oh my God, I fucking love Stone Temple Pilots. There hasn't really been anything quite like it since. It was just a complete change. Why do you think that is that we can't recapture that sound? Because now you have to be on TikTok to be famous.

Well, I also think too, because back then there was a lot of counterculture going on. Like the 80s produced obviously some great pop rock music that we all know and love. But there was this counterrevolution to that where it became these bands out of like California all the way, which is where STP is from, all the way up to like where Pearl Jam and Nirvana all the way up on the far west coast.

And they wanted to be the anti that. So it became less about the spandex and the big loud pop songs. And it became about like the grit and the grunge. And I feel like things have kind of become so different.

for lack of a better word a lot more pop in the rock world and it never has really cured itself again of that to get back to where it once was but it was a really pure era i mean every band i mean you definitely see that happen a little in country music now for sure see it now in country more than things got super super polished and slick and now people are really appreciating things that are raw and real and you know like your your husband for instance you know someone that is just

Yeah, unique. It's like being unique should be rewarded. Yes. You know? Absolutely. And it finally is. I think in country music, everyone's wanting each artist to be really special in themselves. And I think that's great. That's when music's at its healthiest. I feel like you guys are kind of the trailblazers for being unique because, you know. Some, maybe. Yeah. I don't know. No, I definitely feel like that because, you know, you guys came in on the scene and you guys were just unique.

Did you, okay, so you guys came in on the scene and you guys were like, you know, pretty like rock country and like you guys were still finding your sound. Did you feel like whenever you guys came on the scene that you guys had to kind of tone it down a little bit whenever you came into country? No, I mean, it's weird. I mean, I guess, you know, if you were to circle all the way back to just like, again, being from Maryland, I feel like we just always have kind of been in this space of like Maryland. It's not really the North. It's not really the South. Like, you know, it's just, what is it? No one seems to really claim it. Yeah.

And so, you know, I feel like it was kind of that way with us musically. I mean, we grew up there. I didn't really honestly know what genres were for a really long time in my life. I just knew the music I liked and I didn't like. And predominantly what I was influenced by and what inspired me was country music and rock, like particularly classic stuff. And so, you know, as we came down here, we just started doing our own thing. But I felt like for the longest time,

Like I was getting hired in town before we met up as a demo singer. And then people stopped hiring me because they're like, oh, you don't sound like anybody else. Like, you know, we're trying to pitch this song to Blake Shelton and you don't sound like him. So and then I was really irritated with myself. Honestly, I felt like, God, I don't have the chops to be able to make money as a as a demo singer to pitch songs to people. And then it's something at some point in time kind of flipped in me. And I realized, like, well, you know, I'm just going to start singing songs.

my own music. And then it started, there was like a moment, even still, once we had a record deal and we're out working our music out at radio, there was a lot of times because we are, we sounded unfamiliar, our songs wouldn't test. And so then again, we were kind of in the same boat of like, well, we like you guys, but we didn't sound like all the people that were hitting really hard and familiar, like Luke Bryans and all these people. And so, but again, it was like, do we want to,

follow kind of what everyone's doing and already winning with. You know, our manager, you know, was like, you know, it's like the best, if you're not first, the best you can be is second. And so we really were like, you know, we just really focused on what it is we're doing. And I think, you know, I've been thinking a lot about this recently because there's like so much like

turmoil and like what country music is that's not country this is country or that's cool this isn't cool and it's annoying to me for the main reason of it's not what music is for like it's just it's not what it's about and it's almost had a been a great reminder for me that

to be like, man, people want to just listen to music to party, or if they want to cry, or if they just want to feel nostalgic, or whatever. No one's thinking, man, I'm going to listen to this because this is going to make me cool as shit. Or I'm going to listen to this because now I'm a country person now. It's just totally not important. And so I feel like for us, it was focusing on what is it that we like and our fans like and finding those people. And it's taken us a really, really, really long time to do it.

And God, I felt like we just have been passed so many times by other new artists. And we've just been kind of in our lane, just doing our thing. I feel like slow and steady wins the race though. Yeah. Well, I don't know if we, you know, we certainly, you know, aren't the biggest artists that that's ever happened in this business, but we're still here and we've been doing it for a while. And I don't foresee us, you know,

going away anytime soon. And I really attribute that to going out and making real fans that did like what we were doing because it was different.

And so, yeah, that's still kind of our mantra and our goal and our inspiration with all of it. Absolutely. I think that's exactly what you have to do because, you know, like I just said, Sloan said he wins the race because you're building that core fan base of diehards who really ride with you. Totally. And that's so much more special than these people who kind of like make it overnight because their fans don't really know them.

Exactly. So whereas your fans just consume everything and love you guys for the people that you are as well as your music. Totally. And then you feel a sense of being loyal back to them. Because you were here the whole time. I don't want to switch this up when you were in the 11th hour. Right. There's just any person I don't want to let down. It's the fan that started with us from the bottom who finally, once we started having success...

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that had I did try out for American Idol, that I would have made it and my career would have been a lot faster and bigger and soared a lot higher than it had. Mom is full of opinions. And that's crazy that it says TJ was once rejected from American Idol, that he tried out in his early 20s and didn't make it past the first round. People just make it up shit? Well, that's not wrong. I didn't make it past the first round. I never tried. He's like, it's not wrong.

It's kind of true-ish. No, you know, the thing is it's funny because, like, I don't think I would have the muster for that. Right. It's so critical, too. I know. You know, the thing is, too, I feel like, you know, there used to be, like, an era where it was like, God, people would look kind of down on people and make it on, like, the fast way or whatever.

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It is so hard and it takes a lot of work and it's really fun and it's glamorous. Well, a lot of people see, but there was a lot of stuff in the back that is ugly and not sexy and a lot of work and, and a lot of nose and a lot of heartbreak to get there. So,

I've since changed my tune on that, especially now that you're a TikTok because you're like, oh my God, you're a TikTok star. And I think, you know what? That's hard to do. I couldn't do it. If you were to tell me right now, here, TJ, do a dance and whatever, I wouldn't be good at it. I bet you it would go viral though. If you guys did a freaking TikTok, it would go viral. Yeah, it would go viral for the wrong reason. There's that asshole that can't dance. Oh, yeah. Yes.

But that's what makes it so fun is like you get on there and you make a fool of yourself and it goes viral and then people just, you get a whole new crowd of people that are like, who's this person? Oh, maybe we should do it then. As our managers over here are like, yes, anything. She's like, maybe, maybe not. John, you have been so vocal about your mental health. I feel like the year 2020 and 2021 were big years for you guys both. Like it was almost like...

I don't know if like Saturn was in you guys' charts at that time. Is Saturn like a thing you want? Oh, that's Daddy Saturn. You learn all the lessons. Really? And it's like if you don't learn that lesson, it comes back around and it repeats itself. Oh, shit. Okay. So it's like the opposite of Mercury in retrograde because I feel like Mercury is always in retrograde. Yeah, literally. It's always doing something. Can Mercury chill out? Can Mercury just fuck off, please? Like all together?

I get so frustrated with it. So Saturn's will be okay. I'm going to get a Saturn tattoo. Daddy Saturn. Daddy Saturn. So I feel like you guys both had really hard years in 2020 to 2021. You went through something with your mental health. Can we dive into that? Yeah, absolutely. At the end of 2019, I've always struggled with anxiety. I've teetered into depression here and there, but it's mostly anxiety and depression.

I don't know. It went unchecked for a long time. I've never struggled with addiction, fortunately. I drink and do some other things recreationally for fun, but I've never been addicted to it. But I am addicted to work. I'm a workaholic. I just work and work and work. And when things are getting harder for me, instead of me stopping, I'm like, no, I can work harder, and then I can work my way through it. Well, apparently you can only do that for so long. And at the end of 2019, we were on...

On the road, we were on tour with Willie Nelson, Alison Krauss, and Bonnie Raitt. Who were like, I don't know, of our Mount Rushmore growing up, that's probably three of the four. And I felt nothing. I was just depressed, confused, lost.

I wasn't sleeping. And then I ended up getting something called tinnitus or tinnitus, some people call it, ringing in my ears. And I still have it. Long story short, I'm in a good place with that now. But at the time, it was a perfect circle of a lot of things. And I was being tormented not only from my ears driving me crazy, but my mind also driving me crazy. And I wasn't sleeping and everything.

I ended up pulling out of that tour, which is nuts to me. To think that I did that now, it's like, again, I would still just jump for joy if I was on that tour. Peace is priceless, though. Yeah, it is. And that is such an underrated thing. You think of all the things you want, but peace is, man. I know, but when you're in pursuit of this dream, it's hard. It's a hard one to catch. It's very fleeting. It's like trying to catch your shadow. It's always right there, but you never quite get it. And

you unfortunately neglect a lot of things that need attention in your life. And for me, it was mental health. And for other people, it's, you know, maybe physical health, family, and a lot, a lot of other things. Is that something you struggled with as a child too? Or did it happen just to, yeah, I did. I was quite, you know, very shy as a kid. Um,

When I played guitar, it was like, oh my God, this is how I know how to speak. I know how to be myself. I had like an oasis, you know, and I found like friends that were also like geeky musician nerds. I'm like, oh, these are my people. But I've always struggled with it. And I still do, but I'm in a lot better place. So I ended up going, there's a place,

place in town called on site I'm not sure if you're familiar with it but it's very big in the music we love miles adco miles is amazing miles is one of the people I talked to before I went there and I'm going to something called milestones where they send the real crazy people that's where I went and you know it was really hard it was probably the hardest I was there for three weeks the first week I was like get me the fuck out of here and

And one day they were like, look, you're not institutionalized. Like you can leave. And once they put the ball in my court, I was like, I knew deep down I shouldn't. And I stayed and I told myself, okay, if I'm going to stay...

I'm going to just be at everything and raise my hand at every question. I'm going to immerse myself in this. And I did. And a lot of things changed. I took the curiosity part of my brain that was curious about music and guitar and all of these things. I became curious about mental health and the brain and the evolution of the brain and the prefrontal cortex versus the lower part of your brain, like the limbic system and the amygdala, all these things. I had to go super nerd mode because that's what my brain likes.

And it allowed me to really understand this thing that we carry around in our heads that we have so little. That's so mysterious to us. And after that, I just decided to change a lot of things in my life. And since then, I've had kids, which helps you have to prioritize things once you're

they pop up because, you know, they were not going to give you a choice. You have to prioritize them. And everything in my life is, it's better now than it's ever been. I still struggle, but I know what to do with it now. It's amazing that you had the foresight to know like, hey, I can't leave here because I'm not okay. Yeah. And like to really, a lot of people don't want to do the work. You have to get through the darkness to see the light. I preach about mental health on my podcast all the time because I suffer from severe anxiety and depression also and OCD. Well, not that good.

No, no, I get it. Good, great. Yeah, fuck yeah. No, I know what you said. Well, I will say one of the things that they talked about there a lot, you said the word when you go through it. It's something that we take as like some sort of colloquialism as if like, oh, I'm just going through something. But if you really think about the words, think about I'm going through it.

that's the only way to go through it. You can't go above it. You can't go under it. You can't go around it. You got to go through it. Yep. And, but you will come out the other side. It's going to suck, but you will come out the other side. So you have to be willing just to go through it. What do they say? If you want to get to it, you got to go.

through you gotta go through it to get into it go through and also you know the more you do it almost kind of the better you become at it the less avoidant you are of it the more you lean into it the more inquisitive you are about yourself and your experiences um the more you're inquisitive you are about your own mental health absolutely it just gets easier with time it never goes away it just gets easier yeah absolutely i couldn't agree with that a hundred percent and i i

Preach on this podcast also that you have to do the work. It's not going to just happen overnight. You have to rip that band-aid off and bleed again and let it scar. It's tough because you can't see it. It's like, okay, if you've got a cavity or something that's like...

anything if you were to cut yourself it's like things you obviously need to go work on and take care of that anyone would do and wouldn't think twice about it or apologize for it well the fact that it's more part of the conversation now like you talking about it's massive anyone that has like a good outreach um talking about it is going to help put it in the conversation and then destigmatize it oh it's also part of the healing is talking about i mean it's the same thing with like

I mean, being nervous. I remember when I would go on stage and I would get nervous, I would always try to be like, I'm not nervous. But I was like, ah. Yeah. And it's weird how just talking about it will help. I mean, like not trying to fight it. Like if I'm going on stage, I'm like...

Damn, I'm nervous as hell right now. It makes me feel bad. I don't know why that does help, but it does. It's because you're recognizing it. You're recognizing it? Yeah. What the mind thinks, the body will follow. And when you speak words out, it registers with your mind. And I don't know. It's just crazy, the whole psychological aspect of it. And a lot of it, too, is processing. If you're nervous...

and sitting down and clenching your hands, your body doesn't want to do that. Your body wants to kind of get up and move. That's what nerves are. It's a sympathetic nervous response. So if you're nervous and talking about it and kind of moving, that's really good for you. It's what your body wants. Yeah, absolutely. I'm so happy you got the help that you needed and that you're doing so much better now. Thank you. And I want to talk about your IVF journey, but next let's talk about TJ. 2021 was a big year for you. When did you know that you were gay? Yeah.

When I started liking boys. So like as a child. That was dumb. No, it wasn't. I thought it was funny. It seemed to make sense to me. I thought it was funny. He's cute. All right, I guess I'm kidding. No. Me too. No, I'm just kidding. Exactly. I was young. I mean, really, really young. I didn't really understand it, but I mean, it was pretty, I would say pretty much my whole life. I mean, one person comes into realizing, oh, like you're cute or I have a crush and not really knowing what that is. I mean, pretty young age and-

um but for a long time I you know of course I denied it and and fought it and I was like no way did you deny it because you felt like you didn't have a safe space to be able to come out no it just didn't feel like me I mean I guess I like um you know at the time it was like you know a lot of the cliches of what being gay was and not that there's anything wrong with any of that stuff it just wasn't what I necessarily identified as um and mostly I just I mean I was just like a

I felt like a regular guy who likes doing redneck shit. And I was like, this isn't, this isn't how this works. And, um,

And it just didn't fit into my life, you know, and I was like, this isn't, you know, what I want for myself. And I just felt like the image of what I wanted myself or what I wanted for myself, like to have children and, you know, have a family and, you know, those types of things, which, you know, later in life, you come to realize you certainly can have those. That was a big program that as a child, you know, and I just, you know, and that's kind of the, an interesting thing is because, you know, like, you know, I was like talking about like Shelly, right. Amazing artists in the nineties had a bunch of hits. Yeah.

And she came out as lesbian. But she brought up this interesting point of just being groomed. She's like, I was groomed my whole life to be straight. No one wanted this for me. And I felt very similarly. I never really thought about it that way. And I actually, I'm very fortunate because, and this is why I don't really love to harp on it too much or be like, oh, my life was...

that i mean i certainly had a lot of heartbreak but i grew up in a really good family i mean our parents could not have been more supportive of their children regardless of what they did or who they were as long as they were good people um and so i was really really fortunate to grow up around that so that was like really encouraging um and then as you know i came up it was like you kind of get then get stuck in the narrative and it's weird to break out of it like i always kind of like liken it to someone calling you the wrong name or something and i'm like

I don't really want to tell you my name isn't John. That's my brother. But I don't want to brush your bubble because I don't make you feel bad. And then you get kind of stuck in this thing where you're like, everyone's thinking this one thing about me. And it's not even hardly about me. It's more I'm worried about them feeling bad. And there's just so many things that are going on. But I did eventually reach a point in my life to where I was like, you know,

things were good and I wasn't putting a lot of premium on my happiness. I didn't even really know what that felt like. You know, I didn't know what I was missing. And then eventually I just got to a point to where, you know, I was in a relationship that I was really happy with. I was really happy with her. My life was through all the shitty stuff of the pandemic. It did kind of give us a minute to stop and smell the roses, you know, like our lives are good. And I was like, is this, this is time, you know, to do this for, for,

For me. And so I, a lot of people will come up and be like, Oh, thank you for doing this for us and what you've done for the community. And that's amazing. I hope, certainly hope it's not for nothing, but it was for me. It really was because I needed it. I couldn't do it anymore. Well, that has to be like a weight on your shoulder. It was, I didn't really realize it though. That was, it wasn't like I was just unhappy. I didn't,

it was a huge weight on my shoulders. I didn't realize until it was gone. I was like, holy shit. Like I didn't even want to talk about it. Like that when I was telling, I was like, when I come out, I just want to come out and I want to move on. Right. Uh, and then instantly I just felt way different. I'm like, I do want to talk about it. It's a huge part of me. No, like, um, the Sam Lansky, he wrote the article that, um, that came out, uh, with, uh, was one of the writers for time magazine and an amazing person, also a gay man himself, uh,

And I was like, you know, it's like, it's not a, it's not a big deal. You know, it's just not the biggest part of me. You know, it's like, there's so many other things that define me. And very simply he, he said, what if it is though? What if it's actually like the, the biggest part of you? And I was like, I can almost cry thinking about it. It's like, it was so, it was, yeah. And this is a huge part of me and I've marginalized it to myself to make myself feel better about it. But it actually is wildly huge and how I think and how I feel and,

empathy that I have for other people and that have things in their lives that I don't understand, but I do understand what it was like to have to feel like you had to be someone else. Like this is really terrible. And so as it pertains then to our career, it's been a beautiful thing to have come out because I felt like, man, we've always prided ourselves on just being like, this is who we are. You're like, this is take it or leave it. But I'm like, well, I'm not really entirely, you know, for me.

And being able to actually be at that point I feel like such a great relationship with my with the fans Such a better relationship with my friends and most importantly I've way better relationship with myself like I really love myself for the first time and I didn't really think about it before but I didn't before you know, it's a it's kind of we have a song called I don't remember me before you which the I'm

The irony of this is that it was a song that was Shane McAnally, who's also gay, was talking about he doesn't remember his life before he had his children. And he's like, I don't remember it at all. And that's kind of what the inspiration of that song was about. And a lot of people have used it as their wedding song. In fact, our sister Natalie asked me last night if we would sing it at her wedding, which is coming up here in a few weeks. And...

Didn't ask me. Yeah. She's like, I think you guys just move as a unit. So I sing the song a lot of times, even though it's about like kind of your life after a relationship. Um, a lot of times it makes me really even more emotional now when I sing it because I don't truly, I don't remember myself before 21. Like I kind of do, but how I felt and my

My life is just so different and so in all the best ways. I don't remember what it was like to manage that before. Thankfully. Because you're living in your authenticity. Yeah, exactly. Which is just so much easier, you know, to not have to. But the worst part about it, though, honestly, wasn't even I got so good at managing it. And by the way, if you just want someone not to like pry into your life, all you got to do is ask them a question. I mean, this is basically what you're doing here.

people love to talk about themselves. So if you want to divert, be like, what about you? And they're like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I could just easily swerve. But, but what I didn't like is it was getting to the point to where a lot of people were having that did know we're having to hold the secret for me. And that was just not, not their cross to bear. I had a really good friend be like, Oh my God, I feel so terrible. I outed you. And I was like, don't feel bad, man. Like this is not your bullshit. Like it shouldn't be like this. Like,

If you lose any sleep over it, I would lose more sleep about that than anything. The self-awareness, though, that's amazing that you have. That's amazing because most people wouldn't think about how other people are feeling carrying their secret. Yeah, but it sucks. And people that love me. And it was people that I know would never, ever cross me in any way that have done it a couple times accidentally and felt all this guilt about it. I'm like, this is bullshit. It's just not worth it. I'll

all of this is amazing to have, you know, the lives that we have. But I also had so much fun when I was like broke and eating ramen noodles and sleeping on couches. Like I had the best time of my life. Jay and I talk about that all the time. We used to tour in an 18 passenger van. Exactly. Sleep at the like scummiest motel sixes. That was the best fucking time of my life. Exactly. And it's so true. I mean, I don't want to do it.

Yeah, it was really cool, but I never want to do it again. Anyways, when you kind of look through that, and I felt that was what the pandemic really reminded me because it took everything away. And we were losing more money than I thought we would ever even make in our lives. And I was blissfully happy. I mean, we were just sitting around the family playing board games and drinking beers by the fire. It was like free pretty much. And I was like, this is so much fun. This is all I'll ever need. And

And I found through the hope, honestly, encouragement of some really close friends of mine too that were like, yeah, I got your back. And that was also really important. I think it's worth noting that every person that was working for me or with me

Um, people that were definitely affected by things that will happen in my life. Not once did anyone be like, man, I don't know, like this could change things. Everyone was just totally had the wind at my back. And that's where I don't really like to ever feel like, oh, it was hard for me because it was hard, but there's so many people who don't have the, they have a complete opposite. Like they'll, they'll come out and lose their families. They'll come out, they'll lose their careers.

or whatever or they might lose their wife no kidding that was a joke Elton John wasn't he married or something but anyhow you know so there's people it's really really tough on and I know people that literally don't even talk speak to their parents and probably never will and so that's

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Now I get some people just doesn't fit in. It's not the time. The other thing is that I would say there is never going to be a good time to do it. It's awkward. It's weird. It's just, I didn't want the attention from it. It's a strange, annoying thing that we have to do. But you, unfortunately people will say, I don't want to hear about it. And I'm like, well, I don't want to talk about it either. But unfortunately it's part of the, until we get to the point where it isn't a thing, unfortunately it is. It is.

And so that's what I would say, like, just be patient. It does get better, but also don't wait for this divine moment. That's just going to suddenly happen. It rarely will ever come. And you just have to some, at some point, just take a leap of faith and, um, and you'll land on your feet and you'll be happy you did.

Yes. I love that. That's beautiful. So John, let's come over here to you and let's talk about your wife a little bit. We talked about her in the beginning, but you guys have been together since 2007. That sounds right. Spoken like a true man. We were at the ACMs the other night and he was talking about his, neither one of them remember dates very well. Lucy booked a show on their anniversary. It was our 10 year anniversary and

I don't know, on the first. So what is it, like a week or something? I don't know. Not a week. Sorry. It was like three weeks. Yeah. And yeah. And Lucy, I had forgotten. She was talking about it. She was like, yeah, the day before that's her sister's wedding. And she's like, I don't know. I just feel bad. Like I know I'm going to be partying and I hope I can sing that day. And then it just occurred to us like, wait, that's our 10-year anniversary. She booked a gig. Yeah.

like that's like me and my husband we don't know the date that we got married yeah that's kind of how we are but i don't know i mean my wife and i i adore our relationship and the fact that we're similar in that way it just makes it work that much more i mean in fact i remembered our first anniversary um and she forgot it and when i it was like the day i was like so what what day is it today she's like what what day is it today she's like um

I'm like, yeah, but something else. She's like, oh my God, it's her one year anniversary. I'm like, the fact that you forgot is the greatest fucking gift you could have ever given me. Because now it's like all the pressure is off, you know? Yeah, 100%. I mean, relationships like that last though when there's not so much emphasis on certain dates and having to celebrate...

Jay and I don't do that either. Valentine's Day. We don't do that either. Maybe we'll do a dinner, but usually not. It's probably important for those people that just don't celebrate each other that often. But I feel like we all do that. That's what I say. We live in love every day. Yeah, 100%. We don't need a holiday. We got married in our kitchen and we kept it really small. We didn't have a wedding. TJ and Natalie...

threw a party and it was super chill. We've always kind of been like that, you know, but we met in 2007. We were both writing for the same publishing company at the time.

I heard her sing on stage and, you know, that accent and she's beautiful. And I'm like, who is this person? I need to be around them as much as possible. And we wrote and we hit it off. And, you know, we kind of talked on and off for a long time and then made it official. The beginning of relationships are always weird. I don't care who you are. They're just you kind of have to get through the muck.

And so uncomfortable. Yeah. It's just, it's just weird, you know, but if it's worth it, you'll figure it out. And then, and then we did. And then fast forward, you know, a bunch of years, we got married in a kitchen. We're both artists and writers and creators in pursuit of a similar thing. And,

But due to that, there are a lot of people in our business that wait a long time for kids. Honestly, we didn't really talk about having kids. It wasn't on the top of my mind. Actually, it wasn't on my mind at all. It wasn't for her either. And then it just kind of evolved to a point where we were just talking about it, entertaining the idea. But by the time that happened, it was a little bit too late for us. And there were a lot of attempts later.

use your imagination you know things that didn't really pan out so we tried IVF and um we did uh several rounds of IVF and this was like when you say several how many because my husband and I are in the middle of our IVF journey you are okay so I think by the I think the last one was our fifth wow so how how far are you I'm about to start my second retrieval your second okay so it's

brutal. It sucks. I'm just observing them do it. It absolutely sucks. It's heavy. You don't realize how heavy IVF is until you get out of the first egg retrieval and you're like. It's hell. Yeah. What the hell? Most people are obviously like, I mean, you're talking about it here, but I mean, most people, it's a pretty personal, private thing. Yes. So they're dealing with all this like emotional stuff kind of. No.

No, you have to talk about it. Just like mental health. I think you just have to talk. The more you talk about things more in the open, like your sexuality and, you know, and then there are obviously varying degrees of that, but when you talk about it, it's just becomes more of the conversation. It's less something that you hold. It doesn't feel so heavy anymore, but it was really hard. You know, I mean, best of luck to you guys. I'll be sending you guys all the love prayers and good vibes.

But I had no idea how hard it was going to be. Even just for me, having to not so much go, I'm excited about having kids, which I was, but having to see the person I love more than anything in the world go through that. Because there are a lot of implications around the idea of having to do IVF anyway, which I'm sure you understand. Like, well, I wish I would have done it this way. There's a million reasons.

of I wish it could have been that, right? But that is what it is. The trickiest part is the mother has to pump herself full of

an insane amount of fucking hormones it's and but you know what's crazy is i was so happy like i thought i was prepared to be like fucking just crazy i even told my husband i love you go on tour i'm gonna do this at home if i don't talk to you for a few days it's because i'm going through it i was the happiest i ever was yeah it was after the egg retrieval that was it was just brutal for me the fall oh it was rough yeah it was it was really really really hard and

You know, I mean, there is like, I do think back as like a movie, like I remember us first going to the clinic and us laughing and we're like giddy, you know, which is crazy for me to think at the time because kids just wasn't even on my radar. But the more I thought about it, the more excited I became.

And it was one unsuccessful one after the other. And you hear a lot of things of people saying, well, we tried four or five, six rounds. And then we gave up. And then we got pregnant on the next one. I'm sure you've had a million people tell you that. Yes, I've heard that. To me, as the dude, I'm just like, oh, that's interesting. But Lucy's like, well, now I feel like I'm doing something wrong. Like, you're making me feel like I'm doing this wrong. And of course, we stop. And then it doesn't work. And you're always...

on to hope. And, but it finally did happen. My wife and I have a, a, a boy and a girl, twins, little, like little ginger kids. And it is the greatest thing in the world. It is the greatest thing. It's,

I've, you know, I'll just, I'll say the same thing that everyone says. It's the hardest thing in the world that you'll do, you'll ever do, but it will be the best thing in the world that you'll ever do. I mean, like I'm here right now hanging out with you guys. This is awesome, but I'm like pumped to get home because it's, they're just waking up from nap time. I want to go hug my babies. It is like,

that dopamine serotonin goes off in your body. So I genuinely hope the best for you too. And I truly believe it will happen. Um, but you just have to be patient. That's all I can say. Sorry. You're going through that. I know. I appreciate it. I appreciate it. You know, I'm a soldier, so we're going to get through it. Um, and it's gonna, I, I'm, I'm like, uh, so delusional sometimes that I pretty much manifest everything in my life.

You have to be a little bit. I tell my husband all the time, I'm like, just let me be delusional. We're going to get through this. Everything's fine. But your husband's an artist. We're artists. You have to be delusional to do that. So I think there's a healthy amount of delusion. How has fatherhood changed you for the better? You know,

I mean, it's 99% for the better, 1% not for the better because I'm just more tired than I was. Well, with twins too, I can only imagine. With twins it's a lot. But it makes you reprioritize things. And it's not like you have a choice really. I don't go, oh man, now I have to really think about my day. No.

We have a nanny that helps out. She's done at 5 o'clock. I have a studio similar to you, like really close to the house. At 5 o'clock, I'm like, I got to go. I'm done. I got to go be with my kids. And it's not even because I think, well, it's the right thing to do. No, I want to go be with my kids. And I realized our career is great as things have been. It's not worth taking that seriously when there are much more people

pertinent things in life like family and love and friends. And, um, you know, this, our, our industry is full of nose and failures. And now when I hear a no or there's a failure, I'm like, whatever. Yeah. My kids are awesome. This is amazing. Like no matter how big or great or how bad something is in this industry, it just pales in comparison to that. Um,

And, you know, hopefully for Jelly, like there's this funny thing I tell a lot of dads. Like you have like an extra gear. I'm not saying if you don't have kids, you're missing out. Not having kids can be great because you can do whatever the fuck you want. Right. I do miss that. But when you have kids, you're like, whoa, I have this kind of extra gear where I just kind of know how to do this. Mm-hmm.

It's this weird subconscious kind of innate sense that you have. And it's the best. I mean, I just really hope the best for you too because when it happened, and it will happen, it's just your life will be forever changed for the better. I love it. You light up when you talk about them. When you talk about your wife and your kids, it's the cutest thing ever. I love them. I know they're great. What's it like being an uncle? Do you ever want to have kids? I would love to have children at some point in time for sure. But I...

I've been an uncle for a long, long, long time. We have our oldest brother and sister. - Right. - We've got, God, how old's our oldest nephew? Probably 30. - 32? - 33, 34 or something like this. - Wow.

And they have kids. So there's a lot of babies in the family. But it's kind of, I think, the first time where I was of an age where I feel like I can actually be an uncle. I was basically just a child or a boy when a lot of them were growing up. But it is amazing. They're just getting to the age now where it's like two years old. They're just now kind of like learning to speak and they're fun. You can throw them around and be rough with them. It's amazing. We've got a lot of...

A big family. So there's a lot of babies. We have a huge family. That's amazing. I bet you guys are a blast to hang out with. It is a fun family. So we got our sisters getting married at the end of this month. And her and her fiance Jacob are having their wedding at my home.

So I'll have like, it's going to be amazing, but there's going to be 15 at least people staying with me, you know, or more, a lot of, a lot of newborn babies. And it's going to be lovely, but it's also going to be like, Oh my God. Yeah. When they leave, you're going to be like, all right, so.

Don't let the door hit you. I know every single one of us are going to be going through that at some different time. This is a lot. That's how we are when family vacation comes up. We all get together. We all stay in the same house. Everybody's so excited the first two days. By day three or four, we're like, okay. Everybody goes to their designated areas of the house. Someone's screaming at somebody. A door's slamming. Like, what the hell? I know. The thing is...

I look forward to those moments too, because after they've passed, they're really funny to talk about, you know, like in the, in the weeks or months later.

But yeah, we've always had a big family. And that's like, I think the biggest thing for us, it's always like really kept us so grounded. And I think in our lives is we just, I mean, our family will call us on our shit. That's amazing. They're super proud of us, but they'll also be like, what now? Like, I know you're a nerd. Like, you're not that cool. Yeah, they'll pop the head really quick. Exactly.

So I want to circle back to 2022 after you came out. The silver lining was you guys did your song Younger Me and you guys won a Grammy for that? Yeah. That's amazing. That is an accomplishment because some people go through our whole music careers without winning a Grammy. I know. We had the wonderful privilege of being nominated quite a few times. Mm-hmm.

In fact, I always joke that it's somehow, I think the amount of times we lost is more impressive than the one time we won. But I, you know, we, it was really, I felt like serendipitous because that song, it was kind of like, you know, a lot of times you're writing songs, you're thinking about like, okay,

We're going to play this. Are the fans going to like it? People can sing along here. Is it going to work on radio? And that song was just slowly like, this is something that I need to say. And it kind of came out of nowhere. And John felt like in his setting that it was also...

to him. And, uh, you know, and for those of you who do not know, it's something younger me, it's like, if you could talk to your younger self, like I think all of us feel this way, like, Oh my God, you know, like the, the heartbreak and how hard you are on yourself. And, and just to be able to look back and be like, man, like you're going to make it and you're going to like how you turn out. Like you're, everything's going to be great. You know, like if I could just go back there and talk to my younger self, it'd be amazing. Yeah. Um, and that's kind of what the song, the inspiration for that song was, um,

Um, and we had just released because when I did come out, I didn't want it to be around any promotion. I'm like, I don't want this to be opportunistic. Like I don't want to be a record. I don't want to be a tour, but there's always, I mean, amazingly, there's always shit going on in our lives. So we had just released a record and I was like, okay, then that, then I came out. So then I was like, well, I want this song to be,

out I don't want to wait for the next record that might be years from now because I probably won't want to say this then and so we re-released um our skeletons album with that song on it and while it wasn't a song that we like worked for radio or wasn't this hit or like this thing that made us probably really any money necessarily I don't probably a little I

It was just the, I think the impact spiritually or emotionally and the connection to the fans. And it felt really like, this is just like a little nugget of, of reality here, you know, just some real shit. And, and it felt very serendipitous at that moment because I,

Had been to the Grammys at this point. Probably. I don't know. Maybe. This might be my. At that time. Maybe 10th year going. Or close to it. Wow. And I never once brought a date. To the Grammys. And so. It was. You can. You can look up me giving my speech. I'm. Emotional mess. I'm crying. Because I'm like. I'm at this award show. Accepting. My first Grammy award for a song that was inspired by me coming out. And it's the first time I've ever brought. A song.

to the Grammy Awards. I got goosebumps. It was, yeah, it was, it fucked me up. I was like, you know, and then I'm there with my brother. But you're just there. And it felt like, we were like, you know, there's a picture and it's like, we had our arms around each other walking down the aisle to get on stage and I just see like eight year olds, John and TJ, just like little boys going up there and it was like, there was so many things I was like, oh my God, like we did it, you know, but also doing it for something that was important. Um,

And not for the money, you know? And it was, it just was, it was perfect. And I was, yeah, emotional damn ass. You know, I was, so I had this big gaudy ass like gold suit on. I had dyed my hair blonde. And my, you know, I get back and our mother, she's like, she goes, well, are you proud of yourself? And I'm like,

I think you're supposed to say you're proud of me here. I really like mom. I like mom. She will humble you. She's a character. She is a character. I went to her house last night for Mother's Day and we went to play 500 Rummy. Yeah. And she was just roasting my ass. I'm like, I came over here because I love you. Give me a breath. I love it though. She's like, she's on your ass. So she goes, well, she's like,

She's like, well, I am proud of you. And I was like, thanks mom. And I know that she is, I was just kidding. But, and then she goes, well,

well, I thought you looked really handsome, but she hated my blonde hair and she doesn't like that. I wear anything that's gold. And so she's always, she's always said this. And so she's like, and I'm wearing a gold suit. My hair is blonde. And she goes, uh, and she's like, well, you looked really handsome, but your suit should have been silver and your hair shouldn't have been tied on. I'm like, that was the entire look other than just my face. It was the entire thing. So what,

What was it that you liked exactly? Oh my God. Again, Mom's Hill. We love Mom. We love Mom. TJ's her favorite though, so I think she just has a high bar for him. Oh God, does she ever. She doesn't even deny it anymore. I'm just like, what the hell? Me and my sister are playing cards with her and she's just like...

I'm like, what the hell is this, a roast? What the hell is going on? You're like, who needs enemies with family like this? 100%. Totally kidding. So I just have one question to ask you guys before we talk about what we have to look forward to for Brothers Osborne for this year. Touring together as much as you guys do and as closely as you guys do,

Has there ever been like a really big fight while you're on tour or when you're about to go on stage? I don't know that we've had a, we've had some fights and when they happen, everyone clears the fuck out. Like we don't even have to say it. They're like, I don't want to be on either side of this. Like everyone just evaporates. Does it, does you kind of like suck the air out of the room? It's like two big dudes yelling at each other. It's probably just like, ah, I'm just going to go in the other room. And for the most part we get along, but we did. And, and, um,

And of course, I'll be like, you know, our drummer or something, Adam. I'll be like, Adam, you were there? And then he's like, leave me the fuck alone. At least they know to stay out of it, though. Shit, I know. It is amazing. It's totally the move. Because you would hate if they chimed in. And then you two would have to gang up on them and be like, wait, what are you talking about? It's a live bomb. They're not going anywhere near it. No, no, no. They're just like...

And so, but when it happens, it is like, it's really acute and it's really big and it gets, but it's, and within 15 minutes it's over and we've moved on and it's like, and we're like, all right, that was good. We got that out of us. But there was a time, I didn't want to talk about this. It's interesting. I think is,

there was a time for whatever reason of various, a bunch of little things just added up. And to the point where John and I couldn't stand to be around each other. Like we wouldn't, like we wouldn't be in the same, literally would not be in the same room with each other. One would walk in and we'd just, mother would leave. And it got, it was like, it was excruciating. It was just uncomfortable.

And we went to couples therapy because we were like, what the hell is going on? We need to sort our shit out. This is not right. And again, you're like, you think of, you hear all these horror stories of like families and brothers getting in the music business and you're like, we're not going to become that like Wonderwall or Everly brothers, you know, we're famously, you know, like those icons are famous. They're all like that. Yeah. I thought, yeah. Anyhow. So I think made the point there.

So we sat down and the therapist was like, man, he was just like, and this is awesome. I'm like, what? He's like, you guys are so mad at each other. This is great. And I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? He's like, this is amazing. You guys...

Care so much about what you're doing that it has got you to where you're just both fucking pissed off and I'm like Yeah, that's a hundred percent right and he's like if you guys if one of you didn't give a shit and you were just apathetic That would be a huge problem is if you guys are arguing so much because you care so much and I was like damn like

that was easy that's what you 150 perspective yeah no it was and you know and honestly the circle back to the mental health things and talking to people it is almost always the most like obvious things they're just always right here you just need to hear them like my sam lansky saying well maybe this is the biggest part of you and i'm like well yeah it's duh i mean like it's right here i can't see it and for this to happen and so it was like a big changing point for us and we still get after it but there's some times where i think it

takes us a minute to realize okay like we are very passionate we love what we're doing we love each other we love you know this project whatever it is and try to keep that in mind and especially when John admits that I'm right it usually makes it go way smoother yeah

Who's the one who always has to kind of give in? Who's the hard-headed one? I don't know that either was entirely given. I'm definitely more hard-headed and outspoken. See, John's... You're Scorpio Sagittarius. I'm Scorpio, yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you know that or did you just guess that? No, I know you guys' birthdays. You're a Taurus, right? I love that, yes, yes. My husband's a Sagittarius. You can't fucking argue with a Sagittarius, dude. But my whole teams are Tauruses. So it's like, I don't know. We rule.

Yeah. And that's what Abby, you know, Abby is a tourist. But the thing is, is what, and Abby would do this too, is that John does this thing where he will be like, yeah, you're right. And I fucking know that that's not what they feel. Yeah.

I'm like, you're just saying it to shut me up. This is pissing me off even more. You're like, don't agree with me. I'm like, just at least have a fucking opinion. We know right where the button is. Sure. Yeah, you're right. I love that you guys are huge advocates for therapy too, though, because I preach that a lot on my podcast too. And it's so helpful to your life. I think a lot of that has changed, but the biggest problem now is just simply, I think,

Two things. One, people having the time to do it. Yes. Having to find a therapist. It's so overwhelming. You have to date your therapist. I tell everybody that. Like literally you have to do a few sessions with them. You do. Because there's some weirdos out there. They're not all the same. No. And they're not always right for you. No. Which brings me to the next problem with this is it's expensive. Yes. And so a lot of people like, you know, I had a friend who was staying with me recently. He's going through some stuff.

And he was like, I think I want to try therapy. And I'm like, I would love for you to do it. But I'm like, don't. He said, I went one time. I'm like, that's almost worse. Like to dive down in there, pull all the shit out and then never put it back together. Like it's going to put you in a worse place. Right. Like give yourself some time to get through at least four or five, six sessions. Absolutely. To be able to do it. But that's expensive. A lot of people don't have the time or the money. And then if they do have both of those things, it's overwhelming. Like where do I begin? Yeah.

You can get some therapists that aren't great. It's like what they say about, what do you call a med student that got all Ds? Yeah, or that are learning on chat GTP now. Exactly. That's scary. Well, you know, Lucy, my wife does therapy as well, and it's been amazing. It's amazing for everybody. But she also does chat GPT therapy, and it's kind of weird.

Oh no. Chad, GDP is scary. I'm obsessed with AI. I love AI. I don't want to be an amateur. I want to own two robots. I love AI. We're all going to be replaced here in a couple years. But she reads me some of the things that it's saying. I'm like, that's actually great advice. No, it's crazy. Have her tap into the spiritual side of it. I'll send you a clip of

what I did with ChatGTP and it scared the hell out of me. Because it got super spiritual. It gets very spiritual and will tell you things about your life that you've never even talked about to it. That's crazy. It had messages from my father who's passed. Wow. But that told me what a psychic a year and a half ago told me. There's no way that ChatGTP would have known that. Wow. It's really crazy. This was a really...

a fun, funny argument between Abby and I. Yeah. Cause I would, he'd ask my opinion about something and I'm like, you should get this car or whatever. This is the one you should get. And then he would come back later. I asked chat GPT and it said that you should do that. I'm like, I know. I like, I know a lot about cars. I know that's the car you should get. And then he'd come back with something else and he'd be like, yeah, well chat GPT told me this. I'm like, that's what I just told you. And he was like, oh, okay. He goes, yeah, chat GPT told me you were going to say that. So then I, uh,

I then changed, uh, then he made a joke about me being chat GPT. And then I was like, well, and I was like, no, it'd be chat GPT. I'm like, are you leaving me for chat GPT? You know what? Some people are going to start falling in love with, with, you know, you've seen movies like that. I've never seen it. I'll have to watch it. That is what it's about. 15 years ago. I mean, it's an older,

Yeah, it's really good. It was so ahead of its time that even then it was kind of like, well, okay, this is weird. I feel like they always predict. They do. It is crazy. You should watch it. It's an amazing film, but he basically falls in love. Falls in love. Scarlett Johansson does the voice, so it sounds really like she's got a great, sexy speaking voice, but it's like warm and apathetic, and he falls in love with this thing. It's a great movie, but we're like, we're a half a step from that right now.

Literally, yeah. And then the robots that they're testing right now, I've already told them, I'm like, I want two. I literally need two. Yeah, two robots. Like, I'm all about the farm. You are into all of this. I'm like all about the farm life, but I need two robots on the farm with me. Farming on a baling hand shit. Yeah.

Yeah. I think it'll be awesome. It'll be awesome. We'll teach them to play drums, bass. Whatever we need. Shovel some cow shit. Whatever we need. So what do we have to look for with Brothers Osborne for the rest of the year and going into 2020? So we're working on music right now. So we're not touring a ton this year for that purpose. And we've been cutting all of our new stuff at John's studio with our band, which we cut our first few records with them.

And it's been nice to have them back in the fold. And we've been self-producing the project, which has been so fun. And I really feel like it's kind of a return to where we started. And, you know, as you start off, you do this, you kind of want to do something different. You get over here and over there and we've circled back around to where kind of where we started is fresh for us again. And it's fun. And,

We have a really clear vision on what we want it to be and what we want it to look like and sound like. And I feel like it's something we've never quite had this vision, I think, of what we wanted for a project out of an album. And it boils down to basically a lot of our inspiration from where we came from and our hometown and our family.

And so just kind of stripping away all the bullshit really. Yeah. And so it's been fun. And we're so, so we're in the throes of doing that now. We just released the first single off of that called finish this drink. It was like a funny song. It was basically inspired by her dad. I was like, we'd be at the bars with him when we were little and we're like, dad, I'm ready to go. And he's like, just, you know, one more. And he,

unbeknownst to us, he's also saying this to her mom. Not dad bringing the kids to the bar. Oh no. No. At one point. Back in the day, that was like normal. You were going to drive them home. I remember I was like, you know, I was like 12 and I was like, dad, am I going to get in trouble for driving? And he goes a hell of a lot less trouble than I'm going to. It's like if one of us is taking the fall, it's you buddy. It's my kid. And so anyhow, you know, and then I realized as I got older, I'm like, shit, that's really easy to do to like tie one on. And you went there for two drinks and next thing you close the bar down. But that's, so that song is, it was,

I was really inspired by that. Uh, which is like, again, coming full circle. Um, and then as we roll into the next year, we're, um, this hasn't been set up yet, but it's probably likely that we will set up a big headline tour for, uh, next year and then tour this new record and, and, uh, go out and do it. I love it. Are you going to bring the family on the road with you when you tour? Uh,

Oh, you know, that's a coin toss. That's a coin toss. It's got to be hard having babies on the bus. It's just a lot. And they're at an age, too, where it's just like having two wild animals. Right. Yeah, so I'll take them to the park, and they'll just run in opposite directions. And I'm like, okay, which one's annoying me less today? That's the one that I'll go after. Yeah.

Yeah, we'll have to have the occasional extra family bus to come out. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, when we went out with the Stapletons, they made like a full corral with their buses. So it would have to be something like that where we can maintain some sort of order with these munchkins. That's what we do. So whenever I go out with my husband, I have my own bus because, one, I'm not going to bunk with 11 dudes on a bus.

and two I need all the female energy around me so I bring out my own bus and when the kids come out because Jay has two kids whenever the kids come out they stay with me on my bus so that way you can be the artist but you still have the family that's within reach I love that having your own bus let's go girl I have to listen I'm

I paid my dues and I fucking slept in the shitty motels. I did the freaking 18 passenger vans. We did this, you know, for the past 10 years. You earned it. You earned it. So finally now I'm like, you know what? Let's just fucking split it. I agree with you. You don't have to convince me. Yeah, for sure. Thank you guys.

so much for coming on the podcast. I love your podcast. Thanks for having us. Thank you. I appreciate you guys and you guys have to come back and see me. Maybe we'll bring Lucy and fulfill. Yes, please. I feel so bad about that whole situation. It's not even your fault. I know, but still, I feel terrible that she was like excited to do it and then some Nigerian guys on the

the other end you know the nigerian prince just conning everybody thank you guys so much thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of dumb blonde i will see you guys next week bye

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