DJ Paul: Three 6 Mafia Lore & New Music
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Is this thing on? What's up, you sexy motherfuckers? Welcome to another episode of Dumb Blonde. Today, it's been a long time coming. I got my bubba in the house. What up? DJ Paul, baby.

Oh, baby. Man, what's happening, man? It's been forever. Dude, I'm so happy you're here. Man, I've been trying to get on here for a long time, but we're always missing each other. You got to take this on the road when we're on tour. Like, just do it on the bus. I'm ready. I'm ready to do the tour, man. We're talking about it. But every time I try to go do a freaking on-the-road tour, somebody's like, no, you got to do this before. And I'm like, whatever. But we're going to do it soon. And one thing I noticed about touring and studios is...

It never happens. Yeah. It's hard. We bring all kind of shit on the bus and we be like, oh man, we're going to record an album on the off days. And shit. No. Man, the off days you be like in some fucking hotel swimming pool with a barbecue grill

grill. Like you just, you want to enjoy your days off. That's what we did when I was on tour. Just this last tour, we brought all the podcast stuff and I was like, I'm going to interview everybody on the tour. Never fucking happened. Cause I was just like, I didn't want to do hair and makeup. I didn't want to fucking like, I was just like, no, please. So I trust me. I totally feel that. I,

tell everybody that i meet about you they're just like he's such a g he's so gangster and i'm like yes he's all of that i said but i always say paul is the sweetest human you will ever meet like it is so crazy to me in which we're going to get into all the three six mafia sounds and stuff like that that you guys do such dark music but you are such a light of a human yeah yeah yeah well there's

I've come to find that out with a lot of people. I'm sure you have too, that you meet, you know, your journey. Like some people you'll be like, Hmm, I don't know if he's approachable. Cause they used to say the same thing about me till they meet me. Yeah. And I've, I've seen some guys and I'll be like, Hey,

I don't know about this. And then you come to find out they're super, super nice. Yeah. And that's how it was with you. Because I remember when you guys, we were all touring together during that time. I think it was, what, two years ago? And I was like, oh, my God, I'm so nervous. I'm so nervous. Because I got to meet you, but I never got to hang out with you. And then we got to film those TikToks and stuff. And I was like, dude, Paul is so funny and so sweet. Yeah, it was a blast. Yeah, no, it was so fun. Now, I did meet one celebrity once.

Who was it? And he was kind of like he was in the movies. And I was like, I said, can I take a picture with you, man? He's like,

like you want to take a picture with me man i said uh yeah i just asked that he's like all right man come on take the picture and uh uh i'm a huge fan of this dude so no disrespect to him but he you know i don't you know i don't think that he did not want to take the picture i think he was kind of surprised that i wanted to take a picture with him who was it we're gonna bleep the name it was

Off of Karate Kid, the bad guy. What? But this was before they brought the new season back. This was like, you know, when he hadn't did nothing in a while. So this was like, this was in 2010. Yeah, 2010. Even more reason for him to be nice. He was nice. I think he just, I think he probably thought that I was like joking with him or something. Because maybe some people...

Probably like, you know, you never know with people these days with the pranks and all this stuff. He's like, you want to take a picture with me, man? I'm like, yeah, I actually do, motherfucker. I wouldn't have asked. I wouldn't have asked. Like, I'm a huge fan. Like, dude, don't make me crank kick you around this much. But yeah, so yeah, I think he kind of tripped out at first, but...

We took the picture and it was cool. And then I had my necklace on, my Oscar necklace on. I was like, yeah, by the way, man, 36 Mafia, we won an Oscar back then. He's like, really? Oh, man. He's like, man. And that's when the conversation got a little cool. So he probably didn't know who you were at first. Now, he didn't know who I was. Okay, gotcha. Now, for sure he didn't know who I was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But sometimes I don't know who I am. But I know for a fact he didn't know. Yeah.

Do you ever get imposter syndrome? Like after everything you've accomplished in this life, all the lore that you have behind you, all the freaking awards and just all the accolades that you have behind you, do you ever just get imposter syndrome?

What is that? So what is like a definition of imposter syndrome? It's like you feel like... I think I kind of know what you're saying. Like you feel like you don't belong here or like you're not supposed to be here, like you're not deserving of anything. All the time. All the time. I just had this a couple of days ago. Yeah. So like I just had this a couple of days ago where I was like, you know, so like I own a lot of properties. There was like at one point in my career, I got a little nervous where...

Where I had, this was probably like in 2013, 14 or somewhere, you know, like Three 6 might have been gone for a while. Our last album was in 2009. We never made an album after that. But you know, but I was still making a lot of money.

But I invested so much cash money into real estate that I got a little nervous. Yeah. I got a little nervous, but it worked. It worked like a motherfucker. I bought a house in Vegas for $550,000 in the late 2000s. It's so weird because we're still in the 2000s, but then it's kind of like broke down. It's so different. So around 2010-ish, I bought a house in Vegas for...

$550,000. Now their house is worth $3 million. Crazy, right? Yeah. I tell them all the time because I'm a Vegas girl, which I heard you talking about how you lived in Vegas. I don't know how we never, we were all in the same circles. I heard you say that you loved Robin Leach. Yeah. Lifestyles are rich of champagne wishes and caviar dreams, baby. Are you kidding me? When I heard that, I was like, yes,

Because nobody knows that, you know, unless you were in Vegas and experienced it and actually got to watch it on TV growing up. Like not a lot of people know about that. So I don't know how we didn't run into each other in Vegas because we were always around the same circles. Yeah, I don't know how either. It was crazy. And Robin Leach, if you ever partied with him, he was...

Bro, he partied. Yeah, he partied. And I told him the same story every time I saw him about how I was 12 years old and my whole life is because of him. Yeah. So back to the imposter syndrome or whatever you call it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I spent all this money into real estate and I got a little nervous, you know, this and that. And it got to the point where I started feeling that like,

All of these investment properties that I bought, that if I went and bought myself a big house, and I was living in a big house in Vegas. I still own this house. If I went to buy another big house for myself somewhere outside of Vegas because I was kind of getting sick of being there all the time, I was thinking that I really did. I was like, do I really deserve this? I'm like, yeah, I work hard. I do, but then I kind of don't. But then I was like...

you know, you just start thinking about like,

Like, you know, yeah. Do you really deserve it? Yeah. No, I get I do it all the time. Like my husband tells me all the time, Jay, because he deals with it better than I do. Like, I swear Jay's built for frickin to be a politician. He remembers everybody's name. He will be. Yeah. He remembers. Please don't speak that in our life. But he literally can like shake hands and kiss babies all day long. And I just feel like I don't know. Sometimes I feel like I don't belong there, you know, and he's like, baby, you have to realize like you've worked this hard and

you have worked so hard and like created such a freaking legacy that if anybody deserves to buy as many houses as they want, it's you. You can never go wrong with land or real estate, dude. Yeah. Yeah. You can't, you can't. It's, it's, it's the thing. Like I just wish more, more, uh, young celebrities, rappers, act, actors, you know, podcasts, whatever you're doing, whatever you're doing in life, just like,

put more money into real estate. I preach it enough. Every interview I've ever did from this person to that person, I always said, like, this, the jury, this and that. Like, I got a couple of pieces of jewelry. You know, I got...

The jury is just for show with me. It's just for show. When I put this on for this podcast, I had to dig and find shit. We came out here with this shit in a Ziploc bag. I don't even have the cool stuff to put it in. Like the little watch things on the countertop that turn the Rolexes to keep. Man, my Rolex is in a Crown Royal bag.

Like, I had to find this shit. I have traveled every time we go on tour, my jewelry's in a Ziploc bag or a Crown Royal bag. We had a Crown Royal bag, too. Yeah. Swear to God. Crown Royal. I did a YouTube...

maybe three months ago about a Crown Royal bag and it basically went viral. People were like, holy shit, have you ever seen the orange one? And the special edition? I was like, man, all I know is the purple one. Yeah, me too. But everybody started talking about all these limited edition ones. I never even knew. But yeah. Never. I got a little jewelry just for show.

You know, I was touring in Houston. You're from Houston, right? Yes, yes. Touring in Houston, went by TV Johnny, you know, and I was like, yeah, you know, the tour been good. I've been touring for three months. I guess I gave myself a little necklace and bought this little, you know, Cuban link or whatever, but...

I don't wear this shit around. This and that. I put all of my money into, to, you know, real estate and investment. I'm on the inside. Everybody tell you, I'm a gangster rapper on the outside, but on the inside, I think I'm like a 65 year old white woman. No,

I watch HGTV and the Food Network all the time. When I'm in my studio, my whole YouTube is just home decoration, three hours of the best looking mansions and this and that. I'm just taking pictures. That's why when I walked in here, I'm like, hey, man, what's the name of this wallpaper? I want to get some of this, man. I like those ficus trees you got outside. Yeah.

I'm that dude. I love that. But, okay, so what was your first piece of property that you ever bought? It was in an area outside of Memphis called Cordova, Tennessee. And now it's, I heard it's all crazy as hell now, but back then, we're talking about 1997, man, Juicy bought two houses right next door to each other. And it was nobody out there.

There was nobody out there. That was the first one. That's amazing, though. And did you end up flipping it and just selling it? Yeah, I sold it. I love that. But I don't flip houses no more. No. I keep them and I rent them. Oh, that's good, though. Yeah, because when you flip them, you got a... Passive income, right? Capital gain and all that if it's less than two years or whatever, this and that. But, you know, that's money out of your pocket right there. So...

I was watching this infomercial one night and this infomercial said, when you pass away, you can't always leave your talents to your kids. Because, you know, I don't want my kids to be rappers any fucking way. But you can't always leave your talents to your kids, but you can leave property to your kids. Right.

When I saw him say that, that stuck in me. I was like, man, that's the truth. It's real. Yeah. No, that is real. And now I read, I don't know if you've seen this, I read that they're trying to turn America kind of like what it is in China, where they call it forever rentals. Mm.

No, educate me, please. I've never heard of this. Forever rentals. So like some Wall Street guys just went and bought like 1,500 homes in Vegas that they turned into just rentals. You can't buy them. You can only rent them. Forever? Forever. How? So they just don't sell them? They won't sell them. Okay, gotcha. So if you want to live in them, you got to rent it for the rest of your life. You'll never have equity in their house. Gotcha.

You know, it's like that dude, some dude said to us at one point, he said, in the future you will own nothing and be happy.

You know, and that's what's really going on. Wow. That's what's really going on. Like, I look at some condo buildings, and some of these condo buildings, you'll go to them, you'll be like, oh, man, that's a nice condo. Like, how much are these? And they'll be like, oh, they're not for sale. They're only for rent. I'm like, really? I'm like, this don't look like an apartment. This look like a condo. They're like, well, it started out to be a condo, but then the owners changed, the investors changed their mind and said they wanted to be a condo.

So the investors are from other countries, though? Or is it American investors also? Who knows? Oh, okay, gotcha. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just saying a lot of these are popping up. Like, they got a real popular building in basically Beverly Hills in L.A. Mm-hmm.

I'm sure you've passed it a million times. It's on Santa Monica Boulevard. As soon as Santa Monica split with Big Santa Monica and Little Santa Monica, going into Beverly Hills, there's a big building right there called the 10,000 Building. I've seen tons of celebrities in this building. And a one-bedroom start at $10,000 a month. Wow.

all the way up to the top one with his own pool that's $65,000 a month rent you can't buy these wow I would I could never I would feel sick to my stomach if I was just paying somebody else's rent yeah it's cool for six months if you relocate and you're like oh I want to live in Beverly Hills and I want to see how it is I want to go to the mall and this and that $10,000 a month but you can afford that if you if you're moving over there I hope you can yeah

You're hustling backwards if you're not. So $10,000 a month to live in that area and get a feel of it before you go spend $5 million or something, that makes sense. Yeah. That makes sense. But, you know, like doing that forever. No.

Only way that makes sense is if you got the rest of that money in the best investments in the world. Yeah. But I mean, even that seems just so frivolous, though, to like want to just I mean, if you're blowing 65 grand a month on rent, you obviously have it. That don't make sense in no way. But I mean, but I mean, if you can afford it, then obviously you can you can make it work somehow, but not forever. No, like there's no way. Yeah, it's crazy. No, that would that would I couldn't do that.

So I wanted to kind of bring my listeners on a journey with you because you have so much lore to you. Um, and I wanted to kind of, you know, take it back to your childhood in Memphis growing up, you know, tell me what that was like. I know you've told this story a million times, but I know there's a bunch of listeners that probably are just getting to know you from my podcast. I really just want to paint that picture of where you came from to where you are now. Um,

Growing up in Memphis, take me on that ride, because it was in the 80s and 90s, right? Yeah, yeah. I grew up in Memphis in the 80s and 90s. The 80s and 90s were elite. Yeah, it was the best. I was born in 80. So, I mean, there's nothing that compares from 80 to the 2000s, dude. Yeah, it was the best, man. You know, like, it was the best time. I was just talking about this to my friend a couple of days ago. Like, I like watching these movies.

Watching these movies or looking at these pictures of all of the... Some people look at this and be like, oh, why is he glamorizing drug dealers and this and that? But it's not about... That's how you grew up. It's not about...

The drug dealers? It's just about the whole swag of that in the 80s. Like when you watch the paid in full movie. Yeah. You see the troop jackets and the eight ball jacket. You remember the eight ball jacket? Dude, all of it. Eight ball jackets. Yes. You know, the Kangos. The ambiance of that generation was just insane. Yeah. And the old 500s.

Mercedes with the skirts on it. Yes, yes. AMG wheels. I mean, a lot of this stuff is still around and happening today. They just don't know it. It's modernized. Modernized. So like, you know, like these Louis Vuitton and Gucci bag, it was the same designs back then. Yeah.

So, you know, like I grew up in that. My brother was a big drug dealer. He went to federal prison. How many brothers and sisters do you have? A ton. I couldn't find an answer on that when I Googled that. Yeah, I'm still looking for that answer myself, actually. Okay, gotcha. I love it, though. Yeah, a lot. I got six-ish brothers.

Because my mom and my dad, they had, you know, kids, you know, separately. But I got around six, seven brothers and, you know, four sisters-ish. Wow. Ish. But...

You're going to have a bunch of people reaching out to you after this interview. Hey, I'm your brother. I'm your sister. Yeah. Yeah. Once that I noticed my brother. No, motherfucker. So, you know, I grew up in that world. I grew up in that world. My brother was, you know, in that world and, you know, all his friends. So I was a kid, you know, looking at all that. I'm looking at new Mercedes pull up, new Corvette pull up to the house and this and that. And I'm just like, man.

And then I went to school down the street from this house of these big drug dealers in Memphis, like the most popular drug dealers in Memphis history. Wow. They had a house.

on the exact street that my junior high school was at. So you grew up around hustling. Yeah. Like you just saw it from the gate. Yeah, every day. Every day I saw just a driveway full of Corvettes and Mercedes and this and that, you know. Not at my parents' house, but like my brother's house and the houses in the neighborhood. All these guys was in my neighborhood. What's one of the wildest things you saw growing up in Memphis during that time as a child?

That I saw or heard about. That like left an imprint on you. Something that left an imprint on you. Oh, this guy got killed for $34 in a dice game. Oh.

Upstreet from my auntie's house. No, 34? That right there let me know that people would do anything for anything. Wow. What a life lesson to take with you as a young child. Yeah, I didn't physically see it. I was there. It happened up the street. You know, my family members started running, this and that, and people was running all in. I was like, what happened? They were like, you know, God just got. But that happened a lot in the 80s. You know, people getting killed over dice games, man. That's a lot of people dead over dice games. Yeah.

Because you can walk around with these two little fucking cubes in your pocket. That would be your man for the day if you knew how to play. Yeah, absolutely. I grew up in Vegas, so everybody had dice in their hands. All the boys. Always had dice, man. If you ain't got nothing, you could make you a few dollars off dice. So that dude, they killed that dude over $34. He probably looking, man, back then, shit a fucking...

A combo meal was like $4. Yeah. So he had, man, he had about a week's worth of food he lost right there. Oh, man. Sad. That is sad. I hate that. That was that right there. That set the tone for me. How close were you with your brothers and sisters growing up? Super close. All of them? Yeah, all of us lived in the same. I was the youngest. When I was born, it was only two brothers still living in the house. But my sister lived next door.

All of us kind of lived in the same neighborhood. So you're the baby. Yeah, I'm the youngest. Aw, I never knew that about you. Yeah, I'm the baby. I love that. The youngest in charge. Yes. Special ed. What was your relationship with your mom? Because I know you've touched base on that a couple times. Yeah, it was real good. It was real good. You know, I live with my mom almost. I lived with my mom all the way up to the point. We recorded our old Three Six Mafia albums in my mom's house.

Wow. Yeah. Not all of them, but like all of the underground stuff was recorded in my mom's house. So everybody met my mom. Even some guys who I'm not cool with, who was never even a part of our group, been in my house at least probably one time recording and met my mom. Everybody met my mom. My mom was super cool. Me and my mom had a super close relationship.

And my dad had passed, when my dad passed away, I bought my mom a house. How old were you when your father passed? Probably like 30 something. Oh, okay. So it was when you were older. Yeah. It wasn't when you were a child. Okay. Yeah. Both of them passed when I was in my,

30s now my dad and my 20s my mom in my 30s right yeah was mom always supportive of your choice and doing music oh yeah yeah she loved it used to take me to the organ lessons I played I took organ lessons oh I love that can you still play yeah of course I still play on all all of my music where did your inspiration and your drive to want to do music come from

So we was the only... My daddy owned a company, so...

we even though we lived in a bad neighborhood we was one of the people who had the better house in a bad neighborhood right so like we was the ones when you ride through the bad neighborhood and you see you see what they built on the back of the house that happened all the time in the hood yeah like instead of buying a big house they just built on the back of the house yes shit didn't even match it would be a different color different material front of house would be brick the back of it would be wood whatever yeah i lived in one of those houses and uh

my daddy built on like an extra few bedrooms and a whole nother den in the back for my brothers. So we had cable when cable first came out, you know, we had cable. So I would be sitting on, on the, on the floor, uh,

like this close to the tv watching mtv when it first came out i remember when mtv first came i wish they would bring mtv back it just the nostalgia alone yeah like yeah but if they bring it back they should just play old shit not no new shit yeah i feel like there's no we'll get to that later but yeah for sure the music nowadays is just it's not like it used to be yeah it's some good music out but you know it's just it's different yeah we're getting never never gonna compare but oh

I was planted in front of the TV watching MTV, you know, watching all these guys. I grew up on rock music, and I think that's what contributed to making the Three Six Mafia sound and the rowdiness and the wildness, like tear the club up.

Hit a motherfucker and stuff like that. It came from me growing up on rock music. What was like your favorite rock band growing up? What were some of those? Like Van Halen. Yes. That's the first CD I ever stole was a Van Halen and got caught was stealing a Van Halen CD. Yeah. I just bought an Eddie Van Halen EVH guitar. Oh, dope. I got it at the house now. I got to hang up. I got a huge guitar collection, but...

You know, Jump was one of my favorite songs. Still is one of my favorite songs of all time. The guitars in that is insane. Yeah, in a sense. And the synthesizers, yeah. The synthesizers. Because a lot of these rockers back in the day, they didn't have keyboard players. They just relied on guitars and drums. But I liked when they added, you know, some keys in there. Yeah. Because I'm a keyboard player. Yes. So that was dope on the end.

So just watching MTV, your mom, you know. Oh, and I had, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. My uncle's had a gospel group. Yes, I was just about to get to that. Did you ever get to sing with them? And what were they called? They were called? The Bogart Brothers. The Bogart Brothers. And I never, no, I never even seen them perform. I was too young. Oh, okay. But my uncle taught me about publishing. Oh.

At a young age? Yeah, at a young age. That's amazing. Yeah, he taught me about publishing. That's what saved my life. If the slots are spinning, you could be winning. Head over to DraftKings Casino and play the classics you know and love. Or try something new with DraftKings exclusive games. Plus, new players that give DraftKings Casino a spin can get 200 casino spins on a featured game.

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I feel like that's like knowledge that you're going to take with you forever. I always say like in high school, they should treat, they should teach like a credit and business class because literally you'll, and like learn how to balance your checkbooks and stuff like that because little gems like that of what he taught you,

you've carried through life. Yeah, but it don't work like that because they don't want you to win-win. They make more money off you losing. Right. Well, yeah. Just like the health system, they keep you sick, you know? Yeah, yeah. They make more money off of that. So you never got to see the Bogart brothers perform? No. Okay. But did you grow up listening to their music? Yeah. Hell yeah. They was jamming. Yeah. Love that. So you decided to start DJing when you were in 10th grade? Yeah.

Yeah, 10th grade. So basically, in 10th grade, I brought out our first EP, me and Lord of the Mustangs. It was called The Serial Killers. Yes. And then I started DJing as a way just to promote our music. Right. So I would make mixtapes where I would be playing like the hottest artists, like, and

N-W-A-L-L-Q-J, Public Enemy, whatever, whatever. And then I would ease in one of our songs. Yes. And then I would come to school the next day and they'd be like, hey man, what was that fourth song on there? I'm like, I gotta think, I don't know.

That was me, motherfucker. You like it? Huh? You like it? Huh? Huh? It works? It works? Huh? We got something here? Yeah, so that was my way of promoting it. And it eventually turned into just our songs. Yes, I love that. Can we dive into you and Lord Infamous a little bit? Because that's your half-brother, correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You guys were extremely close growing up. Yeah. And was it you or was it him that brought the horror core? Because who was the who was really both of us? OK, so both of us love to watch horror movies. What's your favorite one? Takes a chance. I'm asking original. OK, gotcha. Yeah.

That's Mimi's over there. Not to be bringing up Texas because you're here, but even if you wasn't here, that's one of my favorites. No, listen, I didn't even think about it like that. I love it for sure. It's a great movie. Yeah, for sure. It was loosely based off a true story, which I like true crime. Yeah. I watch true crime all day. Oh, literally. Jay and I fall asleep watching it. I'm obsessed with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You guys were the original people who started that because I remember back in the day, whenever I first heard about you guys, it was like you, Brother Lynch.

Bone came along and started their dark, occultic stuff too, and then maybe Spice One a little bit. So there wasn't too many people who were dabbling in that. Were you guys practicing behind the scenes, or was it just something that you guys were into, like the occultic themes and stuff like that? Yeah, we was just into horror movies. And growing up in Memphis in the 90s,

You kind of live in a horror movie. Yeah. It rains a lot, and it's just a dark city, and I think that's the reason why the music is so great. Right. It has always been great out of that city, you know? So we grew up, you know, watching horror movies, and then...

I had a guy a long time ago give me a serial killer's book. The old Time Life magazine. You remember them? Time Life. Yes. And they would be running the commercials at night like, oh, you can get this. World War II. Yes. They send you all these books in the mail. Well, they had a collection of serial killers, serial killer books.

And this guy I know, he came across one some kind of way. I was like, hey, man, ain't the collection like 12 books? I ain't got 12. I got this one. You want it or not? I'm like, yeah, I want it. Give it to me. And I had that one little serial killer book, and I studied it. I studied it. And right now, I got a collection of all of the serial killers that

frame, black and white photos, black frames, black and white photos of all of the serial killers in my house. And I started studying serial killers. It's kind of like it just, I don't want to say obsession, but a fixation possibly. Yeah, you know what? I just got into how, you know, obviously they did terrible, terrible things. Yeah. But what I more got into was the organization of it. Right. The organization of it. You know, like you had guys that...

I'm only going to the Zodiac Killer. Only this person with this birthday. If I go up and this person got a different birthday, then I'm going to let this person live or whatever. It's all fucked up people, don't get me wrong. But it was just something about the organization of it that got in there.

they got into my head. No, I understand it because I actually, I don't know if you saw, but I got in trouble for wanting to bring a murder on the podcast. And that was a whole debacle that I had to learn from in this generation now. But, you know, back in the day, I, I loved to figure out what made them tick, you know, what makes you want to take somebody's life? How can you eat somebody, you know, like I, I,

If I had a chance to sit down with Jeffrey Dahmer, I would do it, you know? Of course. And, like, get inside his head and try to figure it out. I think it's just... It's so morbid and so taboo that people are drawn to it because we're just like, how did this happen? You know? Like, we want to figure it out. Yeah, like, what the fuck made you do this? Yeah, yeah. What made you do this? And, like...

What I'm more curious about is a lot of these dudes had full families at home. Crazy, right? And I'm like, what did your wife... How did your wife not know? I'm not trying to cheat on my girl or not, but what excuse was you using to be gone all night? Imagine that, the Ted Bundy book of excuses for your wife. Yes.

Yeah. Like, like, dude, what was you telling your wife when you was gone all night and you was sleeping with three dead bodies next to a lake? Like when you came home, like, I'm sure you smell like hell. Yeah. Yeah. Like energy. Like, how do you even how do you go from murdering somebody and the most heinous way to going home and being a doting father and husband?

- Yeah. - It's insane to me. Like, how do you make that switch? - Well, one thing about it is most serial killers, you know, not to get into racism or nothing, but most serial killers was white. 'Cause black serial killers couldn't have did that because when you come home to a black woman, she'd be like, "Let me smell your dick." - Yeah, absolutely. - Ted Bundy ass would have been busted just off a dick smell.

That would save so many lives. Yeah. No, you're so real. You're so real. Who did that skit, Let Me Smell Your Dick? I forget. There was a comedian who did the Let Me Smell Your Dick, and I fucking lost it. Oh, my God.

Yeah, I didn't see that. But it just happens in real life with black women. I'll have to send it to you. No, I believe it 100%. So taking it back to you and Lord Infamous in 89, you guys dropped the Serial Killers together. He would rap and you would make the beats. Yeah, I rapped on like one or two songs. Did you not want to rap? No, I didn't. I still don't want to rap. Really? I hate rapping.

Stop it. I can make beats all day. I can make a beat right here doing this interview. I love making beats. If it was up to me, you know, like, I would sit up and make beats 24 hours a day if I could. I just have other businesses and stuff. But I hate writing raps. To sit down and write a rap, you got to think about, like, oh, what kind of shoes are these little niggas wearing? What's the new sans? And, like...

I would think that making a beat would be way more intricate than making a rap. Well, it just depends on the person. Right. You know, like you got some people that can make a rap so easy just because the wordplay is just in them or whatever. Then you got some people that just music is in them. It's easier to make music. Because when it comes to music, excuse me. You're okay. When it comes to music,

What makes music more easier is because music just really, nothing against the lyricists, but music just kind of comes from the heart and from the rhythm. And then you give it to the lyricist and you let him write about what he think the people want to hear. Right. Like a musician don't really go in and make a beat because people want to hear this. And if they do, they're probably making a mistake.

you just go in and you just make what feels right. And then that's why a lot of musicians end up with a lot of beats that never see the face of the earth because they'd be like, ah, this sounds good, but I think I'm the only person in the world who actually liked this. You can't dance to this and you can't do this and do that, blah, blah, blah. But they just never know. Sometimes just a simple instrumental would be something for people to clean the house to or do homework to or whatever. I think that's why the lo-fi is so popular now. Mm-hmm.

But with songs, writing the lyrics and coming up with hooks and coming up with choruses, there's got to be something that's going to drive people in a way. You know, you got to drive them. Like, you know, like if you're a good lyricist, you can take just a simple drum beat with a kick snare and a hi-hat and spit the right...

The right vocals over the top of it and people are going to go crazy. Right. But if you walk in here with just a drum beat with nothing over the top of it, people are going to be like, okay, is he going to do something else or is this it? So it's like the beat is the vibe and the lyrics are the energy. The beat is the energy and the lyrics are what keep them going.

Keep their attention. Gotcha. And find the spot. Find the sweet spot. Yeah. Whether it's an emotional record or it's an energetic record. Right. This and that. There's only so much music can tell. Music can give you feeling, obviously. Yeah. But then, you know, after a while, you kind of...

Kind of want to know what else is going on. Yeah, absolutely. Sometimes, sometimes not. When you explain it that way, it makes perfect sense. Bringing it back to you and Lord Infamous, can you give me a memory with him that you've never told anyone but you still think about? I'll have to think. Oh, my God.

We can always circle back. I'll probably wait to tell that one. Okay. I say them for the Paul movie. I got you. I got you. So around this time when you're dropping these mixtapes and you and Lord Infamous are doing these songs together, when does Juicy J come on the scene? When do you meet Juicy J? About two years later, like 92, 93.

Maybe late 91. I just said 92 to be on the safe side. Another guy who I was producing was friends with Juicy. And he told me about Juicy. He was like, hey, this is the dude. I had heard of Juicy through his mixtapes, but I didn't know him personally. And I would just see his tapes when I would go drop off my tapes at the stereo stores. And he was like, this dude named Juicy J wants you to help him make some beats with you.

because juicy didn't really play the keyboard i played the keyboard right so he was like he wants you to you know help him make some beats this and that so you know he started coming over my house and i would have him make some beats and then we started finding that we had a groove that we vibed together really good

on making beats, you know, and then it just went from there. So you guys pretty much just had a love of music together and then that developed the friendship between you guys. How was you guys' friendship when you guys were younger? Was it always like best friends or did you guys actually like, you know, kind of like butt heads because it was creative direction? No, we never butt heads. Oh, good. We never butt heads, you know, like.

I would always listen to what he had to say and he would always listen to what I had to say. And we just kind of went with the flow because we saw that it worked. So if I'd be like, no, I don't think we should do it like this. We should do it like that. And he'd be like, that's cool. And then vice versa. And it just like that. Because if you start putting too much...

disagreeing with it, then it's just, it was, it's probably not meant to be anyway. Right. You know, so we never, we never had that. We never had that issue. I love that. It was always fluid for you guys. Yeah. You guys have, you know, publicly said that you guys were speaking about drugs before like anybody else was speaking about drugs in the industry. You guys were very vocal about it. When did your drug use start?

Oh, God. Like weed or the hard stuff? I mean, just your journey. We started in...

We started in seventh grade. Wow. I sold weed in the seventh grade. Because you were just a product of your environment, of what you saw growing up. Yeah, because back in the day, weed was like scraps. Yeah. So my brothers and everybody that was in the game, like Keys and all, that was where the money at. They would throw away weed. Weed would just be laying around the house. Like, oh.

Like, oh, damn, they go a pound of weed. Yeah. They don't even see this. Nobody cared about weed back then. Right. Like that. Yeah. You know, like now people are making millions of dollars off weed. But back in those days, like, weed, get out of here. Yeah.

Don't nobody want no weed. Because the rich man's drug was cocaine. Yes. Yeah, and wasn't nobody trying to go to sleep. People was trying to stay up and party. The 80s for sure and the 90s. Like, come on, man. You mean to tell me you want me to pay you to go to sleep? I don't need to pay to go to sleep. I can do that on my own. Yeah. Nope, I agree. So you started smoking weed in seventh grade, and then when did it start progressing? Yeah.

It started progressing when our first album came out. Okay. The album right there, Mystic Styles, on that football behind your head. Okay, so it started progressing after 3-6 Mafia? Yeah. Okay, so let's circle back then. So you meet Juicy J. You guys are vibing. Lord Infamous is in on this. You guys decide. What did Gangsta Boo step on the scene? Like 93-ish.

Okay, so she was like right behind Juicy. Yeah. Yeah, I rest in peace, boo. I got to meet her the one time that she came and did my podcast and she almost beat me up.

Really? Why? On the podcast. I was so nervous because I was still new to the podcast thing. That's why I'm glad you're here now. Because, you know, if I'd interviewed you a couple years ago, I was just so nervous. And I just wanted to do perfect with her. And I forgot her first album name. And I had to look down at my notes. And she flipped out. Oh, I can imagine. I can imagine. I can imagine. I know, but it don't take much. She...

She flipped out. Country was there. Country got scared and thought he was going to have to break up a fight. It was crazy. But then by the end of the interview, she was my best friend. Yeah, she flipped like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it was crazy. Yeah, she would flip like that. So how did Boo become a part of 3-6? We went to school together. Okay. All of us went to school together except Juicy. Juicy was from the north side. All the rest of us was from the south side. Okay. Yeah, so we went to school together.

Yay, I love that. So we got all these members now, and then you guys decide to form 3-6 Mafia. Yeah. How did you guys come up with the name 3-6 Mafia? Because there's been so much speculation to you guys' name because it does have 666 in it. Yeah, it came from that. Okay, tell me. Basically, Lord Ephraim said triple 6 Mafia in a song. That wasn't even our group name. He just said it. He was just like...

A triple six mafia falling down, down, down, down in the silencer. You know, he said something like that. And I liked that. And I was like, whoa, that's dope. And I just started sampling triple six mafia, mafia. And that became really popular with us. And it still wasn't our name. Right. I would just sample it. And then, you know, when it was time to form a group, I was like, hey, we should call ourselves triple six mafia. And everybody liked it. And the next day I know white fans came like that. Ha ha ha.

They flock to us. Next thing I know, we got a call to do a show in Bartlett, Tennessee. I'm like, Bartlett, Tennessee? I'm like, I don't even know if black folks can go out there. And then the next day I know, we just started doing shows in a number of white clubs.

Really? After you named the group Three Six Mafia? Triple Six Mafia. Triple Six Mafia. Yeah. That's crazy. I know Lord Infamous has gone on record to say that he dabbled in, like, Satanism and all that stuff. Yeah, he didn't do that for real. He didn't? Hell no. I just watched an interview with him last night where he was talking about how he went to hell and demons were torturing him, and, like, it was crazy, and I was just like... Yeah, he was just high. Okay. I grew up singing Amazing Grace in the church, and I was playing the organ. Oh!

Everybody know that. I was in the church every Sunday. In Mississippi. It don't get no more churchier than a Mississippi church. Yeah, for sure. I love that you call him out like that. You're like, no, that's my brother. Nope, he grew up singing Amazing Grace. So there was no real satanic...

reasoning behind the name no the lore has always just kind of like your reputation precedes you yeah yeah it was just a it was just an image it was just yeah it was just something that was cool right like like i said we did you know study like killers and stuff like that but yeah we never studied satan or any of that i don't know nothing about all that yeah

So from 90 to 94, you guys ended up dropping 16 mixtapes. You by yourself and then also with 3-6 or Triple Six, correct? Okay. So take me on this journey. What's like an insane story from the early days of 3-6 Mafia that's never been told? Like a fight, a robbery, a wild tour moment. We got into it. Oh, my God. We had a crazy one at a skating rink in Arkansas, California.

Man, that one right there was wild. Really? Yeah, it was a skating ring in Arkansas, West Memphis, Arkansas. They used to always have rap concerts there. And, man, we went there one day and, um...

Behind the scenes, we had a little situation going on with some guys from Arkansas, but they'd end up getting squashed. We was all just young or whatever, but we ended up getting super, super love from that part. It was just that little one part of Arkansas. But for whatever reason, back in the day, Arkansas and Memphis people back in the 90s, not no more, they always got into it. I don't know what it was.

But so we went to West Memphis, Arkansas to do this concert. And next thing I know, it's like 900 people there. Next thing I know, somebody in the crowd threw a skate at us. It was a skating rink. Threw a skate. And I was like, okay, here we go. I knew this was going to come. And I was like, all right, I'm not going to pay attention to this one. Kept on rapping. Somebody threw another skate. I said, hey, y'all keep throwing these skates, man. We're going to leave.

So we're rapping, three more songs came on, somebody threw another scale. I was like, all right, I'm out of here. We start leaving up out of there. Next thing I know, these 900 people start surrounding us, following behind us. Crunchy turned around and pulled out a gun like this, like, get back, motherfuckers, this and that. So they sat back. We went up in the dressing room. We went up in the office. We went up in the office of the promoter. They started beating on the door. Boom, boom, come out of there, motherfucker. Come out of there, motherfucker. Crunchy opened the door, put a gun in his bag like that.

and we was looking at the cameras. They was surrounded outside the dome. I'm like, bro, I was like, you know, I told the dude, I was like, look, you can call the police or we can shoot our way up out of this motherfucker. It's whichever way you want to do it because we got, it's four of us and all of us got, now it's four of us.

No, it was probably like eight of us. I said, it's eight of us and everybody in here got a gun on them. So you just let me know how you want us to get up out of here. A bunch of Memphis gangsters too. Yeah. Yeah. Like everybody in Three Cis Michael was in a gang or some crazy shit. So I'm like, look, dude, you call the police and get us up out of here or we can get ourself up out of here. This and that. This man picked up the phone. He looked at me and he said, the phones are dead. No. I said, what?

What kind of pre-set 13 movie shit is that? I'm like, how is the phone dead? I'm like, there's no way they climbed up on the roof and cut the phone. I'm like, you know what? All right, we'll get our stuff up out of here. Listen to that. We opened the door, and we just, you know, we just, like, didn't pull them out, but we just kind of like, just showing them with our hands up on there. We made our way to the car, man, and punched that motherfucker. Punched him.

Were you guys like inside? Were you guys like trembling? Like it's one thing to have to portray something to the outside world. Was we scared? Yeah. I was a little scared. I was a little scared. I wasn't scared to the point like I thought I was going to get killed. Right. I just was scared to the point I was like, man, there's probably going to be a massacre up in this mother right now. Because I'm like...

you know, we got to shoot our way to the car. And then by the time then, I mean, we can't, you know, like we can't and don't want to hurt 900 people. Like somebody's going to make it to their car out well, and we got to get all the way to the Mississippi Bridge. Then we got to get over this bridge. So it was like, you know, I'm just going to thank God that nobody get hurt. Yeah. Well, you know, like they didn't have no security there.

What the hell? The venue didn't have security or anything? We didn't have security. No, you know, you're talking about the... This is the early days. Early 90s. Were the crowds that you guys played for pretty rowdy? Yeah. Yeah, I would think like with some of you guys' music. Yeah, super rowdy. Yeah.

Super Riley. This was back when there was no phones in the club. Yeah. So people were just all focused on you guys. Yeah. So if somebody was in a bad mood or having a bad mood that day, they were fucking taking it out on everybody. That's crazy. So take me on this journey with you guys. When you dropped your album,

I had heard in an interview you said, I think it was the one in 2005 that you guys dropped and you paid $4,500 for it. That was 95. 95, sorry, 95. And you guys paid $4,500 for it and turned it into like $45 million. Yeah, over $45 million now. That's insane. Yeah, it turned into $45 million fast.

You know, and it was the same album, Mystic Styles, our first album. Sorry, my notes froze. That's why I didn't have the right year. Yeah, 95. Yeah, we didn't make $45 million off that album alone, obviously. Just in general. But that movie is what started our career. And, you know, it went on to, you know, 936 Mafia and all that is worth, you know, hundreds of millions now. But that's what started it all. $4,500. Me and Juicy put...

22-5 together each.

No, Spitty that made that album. Is it crazy for you guys to ever just like... Do you guys ever, you and Juicy, just ever have a moment alone where you guys look at each other and just laugh because of where you guys came from and how the odds were stacked against you and how you guys scraped up $2,200 each to put towards this goal and it's turned into this huge, just amazing legacy? Yeah. Man, him never really did that, but I've done that, you know, with...

with some other people listening and just, you know, just thought about it. Like, I have this conversation a lot of times with, like, my best, best friends from my neighborhood that I grew up with. Yeah. And they'd be like, especially my friend Lil Larry, he can't stop talking about it. He's like, man, when you... That's how he talk. Man, man, when you, man, man, man, when you used to ride around, man, man, man. Paul, Paul, you remember when you...

When you, he reminds me of stuff that, that, Paul, you remember when you used to be trying to sell them tapes? You had a little brown bag, your mama make up bag, little brown bag with them tapes in it. You trying to sell them tapes at school. You remember that? You remember that? I'd be like, yes, Larry. I remember that. He drunk. It's two in the morning. He can't stop talking about all this shit.

I was like, yes, Larry. I remember when I had my mama's brown makeup bag and all that. I feel like friends like that are so essential, though, to kind of humble us. Yeah. Well, to remind us of shit that we did. Yeah. Because he also reminded me like, man, you remember you got drunk that time? And I was like, shut up, Larry. I got to go. I got to go to sleep. I love that. So 2000, you guys dropped Sippin' on Some Scissor. And that's when I...

I think late night tip, sipping on some scissor and, uh, what there was then your album after that 2005 is kind of like when I became a huge three, six fan. Cause I was on the West coast. So the Southern rappers that I listened to were outcast eight ball MJG and you guys. And I mean, you guys took the world by storm and this was before anything was viral. How did you guys, uh,

How did you guys manage to do that? How did you guys manage to take this from Memphis and spread it all the way across the world? Well, how it happened was it was about the timing. It was about the timing. Like I was just talking about the cassette tapes that I sold in high school. Yes. Because what happened was...

You know, if I wouldn't have been in school, none of this would have happened. If I would have been graduated and I was out, none of this wouldn't have happened. The school was my distribution. Wow. And the timing of it. See, remember what you said earlier, I was in the 10th grade when I started. So 10th, 11th grade, 12th grade, you graduate and you go to college. So the school was my distribution. Did you go to college? Yeah.

Hell no. Okay. I wish I would have because I perform at colleges a lot and man, it looked like they have a lot of fun. Yeah, yeah. But no, I didn't go to college, but my music went to college. Gotcha. They took those old cassette tapes with them to college and I would get calls or run it. I still today, I run it to college.

People would be like, man, I took your cassette tape to college and my roommate stole it. I was so mad. That motherfucker. I couldn't get it back until I go back to Memphis and go to the stereo store. I'll get my my cousin to mail me one to the college. But they would take those old tapes to college with them. Roommates would steal them and then they would go back to where they was from. And then they would let those people hear it. And then it would get duplicated and duplicated and just spread all over the world. That's amazing. Yeah.

Take me to 2005 when you guys dropped the most known unknown. What were you guys doing during that era? Because you guys just didn't miss at all. Like that was like, I don't know. That was like where it just fucking exploded for you guys. Yeah. Well, that was, that was when we really started to,

That was when, you know how we talked about earlier about not being deserving of something, feeling that way? Yeah. Well, that was at the point where I had just bought my first Rolls Royce. And I was like, okay, now I see what life's about. I had just built my first big house. It had an 8,000 square foot house that I built designed like a castle.

And I was like, man, okay, now I'm living life. Because that was my first big house. I started building that in 2002, and I finished it in 2004. We recorded that album in 2004. I was making a lot of beats, you know, in that process. And I even record, I even made the beat, rather, to Stay Fly's remix that featured...

Slim Doug, Houston. Trick Daddy and a few guys on it. I made that beat at that house in the theater room. That was the only thing I ever did in that theater room because...

Don't ever put a theater room in your house. They never get used. Ever. They're just for kids. We've had a couple, and they've never gotten used. Never get used. They look cool, but you never use them. I always went to sleep in it. The only thing that ever came out of that room was making that beat. Aw. So the Stay Fly remix beat. So...

That's when I started really seeing what life's about. I had a house in Florida. I bought a house in Destin, Florida. Did MTV Cribs. If y'all want to watch that MTV Cribs episode. Yeah. And, man, we was living life, man. Jusia got a Maybach.

And this and that. And, you know, everybody had nice cars. Everybody in the group crunching had like four cars, two houses on the same street. Everybody was, they even bought this baby mama a house on the same street as him. We was living life. Yeah. And, man, we just went in and I was like, man, we can't stop this.

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Yeah, it was amazing. I remember popping my collar was my shit because I was working, you know, I was an escort back in Vegas. I was a high price call girl. So fucking popping my collar was my shit. Who?

Who had the pimp themes in the 3-6 Mafia? Was that influenced from your childhood? Yeah, my brother was an actual pimp. Okay, gotcha. I had a brother that was an actual pimp. Gotcha. He got killed being a pimp. Oh, rest in peace. I'm so sorry. Yeah, I grew up in that too. Okay, gotcha. When I say I grew up around...

organized crime I basically did all of it well I mean you can't have drug dealing without hookers and blow either you know so it's like it all goes hand in hand but yeah that was my shit I was popping my collar popping popping my collar everywhere everywhere I'd go I'd drive to like you know to my appointments and shit and be

bumping 3-6. It was my shit. Yeah, and if you was in that life, then you knew that a lot of Memphis people was into pimping. Yes, absolutely. Memphis had so many pimps, man. That was the thing back then. So many. Gold teeth. It was a different lifestyle too, you know? It's not like it was...

It's not like it is now. People always say that I glamorize that life, but it's not that I glamorize it. It's the life that I lived and it made me a lot of fucking money. There are downsides to every fucking street thing that you could possibly do, but there was also some good that came out of it for

for me and I always, I don't try to glamorize it, but I do try to tell the truth about it, you know? And it was a different time in life. - Yeah. - Yeah, it was. - It was completely different. - Yeah, it was, you know, like I grew up doing a lot of crazy shit too that, you know, I wouldn't glamorize or talk about it. I guess I do with the raps, but you know, like in a way, but,

I just noticed that a lot of people that I know that came from bad things in their past, I know a lot of people that's doing the ones that survived, they're doing really, really good now. Absolutely. We're all in our healing. If you look at Master P, Master P came from crazy shit, crazy shit. And I do work hundreds of millions, hundreds of millions, because what I think it is is

You get a different knowledge going through shit in the streets that a school could never teach you. Yes, I always say that. I know people that went to... When you asked me to go to college, I said, hell no, because I know some people that went to college that ain't doing nothing right now. Absolutely. I always say street smarts over book smarts. Yeah. Like, book smarts are a necessity for if you're going to work a regular job and if you're going to, like, you know, be a CEO of, like, a financial place. But, like...

In life, the school of hard knocks is going to teach you the most lessons. Yeah. Even in the music business. Some people that I know that taught themselves music...

or this or that versus some people I know that went to school for music. They're in two different worlds. Yeah, absolutely. Two different worlds. It's just because hustle can't be taught. Hustle can't be bought. And it's like school, you're essentially learning from somebody else. But in the streets, it's hands-on. It's sink or fucking swim. Nobody's out there to save you. So you're going to have to... It's kill or be killed. You have to figure it out yourself. Yeah, and you learn from...

You learn more from pain. School don't teach pain. Yeah, absolutely. Pain is the quickest way to learn anything. That is a beautiful way to put it. Like, yeah, you get hit in the mouth and you be like, God damn, I should have blocked. Next time I'm going to block because that shit was not cool. Yeah, absolutely. But that's a beautiful... That shit would probably add to the school. Just walk around and be like...

But you know, it was in school back in the day. I got a lot of whoopings. Yes, I've gotten spanked by the principal before. Have you guys ever gotten spanked? Hell no. Oh, fucking. Man, they gonna call the police. No. Yeah, I've gotten spanked. I had a principal who was able to spank kids. Me too. I couldn't imagine that. Mr. Chambers. Yeah. Mr. Chambers. Man, that motherfucker. Man, he was the coolest dude in the world. He was tall.

Handsome. He looked exactly like Lawrence Fishburne. Oh, wow. And he would walk in there. He always had a mean face. And you had to really do something really fucked up for him to come.

And this and that. So, like, they pressed that button. Like, Mr. Chambers, Paul is acting up again. I need you to come over here. He show up to that door. Come here, bar guy. He said, you know, it's going to be trouble, and I got to make house calls. That's what he said. You know, it's trouble, and I got to make house calls. He was a comedian. Boy, and he will whoop you in front of everybody. Oh, not in front of everybody. That's embarrassing. Not in the hallway. Right there. Pull them pants up in the back. Oh.

So it's tight. Pull them pants up.

Man, he'll ask you which one you want. Like the strap for the hand or the paddle with the butt. And this nigga constructed a paddle that was worse. He put holes in it. Oh, he wanted it to catch the wind. Yeah, so man, and then it sucked in a little bit more, I think, because of the holes. Man, he was like, which one, boy? God, hand or butt? Oh, God. So man, he would be right there in front of everybody. But this is the funny story.

My daddy owned a pest control company. And one day my daddy got called to go to this dude's house. Oh, wow.

Man, we showed up to this house. I like mid-century modern houses. We showed up to this house. Nice one-level mid-century modern house. In the hood, though. Yeah. But it was the nicest house on the street. Yeah. I'm like, man, that's a nice house. Listen, that was the only reason I went with my daddy, because I like to see houses. Like I told you, it's the 65-year-old white woman inside of me. I'm walking home like, man, it's a nice landscaping he got right here. It's a nice house. Yeah.

Man, next thing I know, the door swing opened and it was his ass. I said, Daddy, this is the nigga I was telling you about. This is my principal. This is who be whooping me. Man, we walk in there, his house is nice. Pimped out.

He got the big screen TV where you pull the drawer out and it had the green, white, and now the green, red, and blue lights that shined up on it. The old projector screen. Who knew principals were getting paid that good? Yeah, I'm like, man, this nigga probably a drug though. Ha ha ha.

Listen to that, man. House was nice. Big screen TV. I'd never seen a big screen TV in person. That's crazy. And man, you know, that was just a funny story. Did your dad go in there and say anything to him or just acted like it was business as usual? Not that I remember. I don't think he said anything.

I couldn't imagine sending my kids to school now and letting somebody spank them though, because you can't trust motherfuckers. Back in the day, it was a different trust. It'll run you crazy these days, but I swear it helped. No, no, for sure. And all of the bus stop fights, the ditching, the fucking, yeah, all of it. I was always into the bus stop fights. Can we go back? I swear I live in nostalgia, dude. Like I just love the 80s, 90s, and 2000s. I think it was just perfect.

So after you guys dropped the album in 2005, it went gold in six months, correct? That was the one in 1997. Oh, that one was 1997? Okay. 1997, our first major album. Okay. So our first major album, we got our first record deal, our first major distribution deal, 1997.

That album with Tell the Club up on it went gold in six months. And that was the album that I made the bet. And it was like, man, I think y'all going to go gold. And I was like, I don't think so. And I made a bet with one of my friends. And in six months, it ended up going gold. It wasn't Larry, was it? You didn't make the bet with Larry? It probably was Larry, to be honest. I can't remember who it was. I'm just kidding. It probably was him, though, to be honest. And it went gold, and I couldn't even believe it. I was like, what?

And we got that gold plaque. Man, I got one for everybody I know. Did you feel like...

some sort of accomplishment when you finally did that? Yeah. Like you were getting recognized? Yeah. What did the 2005 album do? If that one went gold, what... Oh, the 2005 album, that album sold like six million. Okay. Yeah, that album was like... Sold, sold. Was that platinum? Does that equal platinum? Platinum is one million. One million, okay. Yeah, it went one million immediately, fast. Wow, okay. I mean, even the singles, Stay Fly and all the singles and Side to Side, all of them went platinum. That was easy. Yeah. Yeah, it was. That album...

Yeah, it sold like five or six million. During this time was whenever you guys were doing the soundtrack for Hustle & Flow too, correct? Yeah. Yeah, we did that too. So all of this came back to back. You know, we had the most now. And see, it was funny how it worked because we had made all those other albums. By this point...

2005, we made our first gold album in 97. So by the time we had another album that came out and went...

The Sibyn on Sizzler album was in 2000. It went platinum. Okay. You know, and it ended up selling, you know, probably two or three million copies. So then we had another album that went gold, Unbreakables. So by the time 2005 happened, you know, I already got, you know, five or six plaques on the wall. Yeah. But it was like nobody still knew who we was.

I should have kept it that way. But I was fucking dreaming and that's why I had to watch what I wish for. Right. Well, you manifest. I had to watch what I think about because I would really bring shit into existence. Yeah, you manifest. Yeah, you manifest. And I named that album The Most Known Unknowns. Mm-hmm.

And I was like, we know, but we're not known. I said it at the beginning of the album. And I started playing all of the hits we had, like, Chipper Slob on the knob. I started scratching all, to the club. The whole intro was me scratching all of our songs, like beating it in people's heads of all the hits we had.

And then next thing I know, that fucking album come out and every song on that album was a hit. Literally. And then after that album, the next year we win an Oscar. And now we're the most Sony like y'all the most Google thing in the world. And I'm like, oh, what did I do? What did I do? You say that you wish that you guys would have stayed unknown. Why do you wish that? Well, yeah.

You know, being popular, man, it's not cool. It's not for the week. That's for sure. Yeah, it's not cool. Like, you know, back on our very first album, that album, not to keep bringing up that football that's right behind your head that's for sale on 360.com. This football right here. Man, not to keep bringing that up. This one.

Yeah, yeah. But that album right there, we wore masks on the cover. And that's what I wish we would have kept doing. Okay, so people hadn't seen your faces, though? They hadn't seen our faces after that album. Okay. But as far as that album, they hadn't seen our faces. Okay. And that's something I wish we would have kept doing. I used to look at groups like KISS and Insane Clown Posse. Slipknot, yeah. I used to be like, man, I can't imagine how nice it would be

To be rich, but nobody recognize you. I didn't recognize Gene Simmons. He came in the club one night and got a dance from me and my best friend Tasha, and I didn't recognize him. He kept telling me he was Gene, and I didn't believe him until he licked my back with his long-ass tongue. Yeah, Gene Simmons licked my back, me and Tasha. And I was like, you are. Like, I didn't recognize him until he stuck that fucking long-ass tongue out, dude. Because they had their faces covered all the time. Yeah, man, and that's...

that's that's the i used to live down the street from james simmons in uh la i pass his house every day to see his wife and the kids up at um the italian restaurant that we all used to eat at it's got to be the tallest family in the world tall the wife is tall the kids are tall like yeah i'll be sitting down and eat my sweet get up like that i love it well um

Yeah, I wish we would have kept wearing the mask because, you know, like I said, to have money but nobody recognize you, I can't imagine how...

It would be the equivalent of being an invisible person. Right. Like an invisible person walking in this room right now, which I'm sure is probably a couple in here. Yeah. A visible person. It would be like that. It's like Clark Kent and Superman. Yeah. You know, like you get to have two personas. Yeah. Which I don't know how nobody never... I just watched Superman the other day and I'm like... How did not...

How did not know? He just put on glasses. That was his disguise, glasses. It was the bulge. It distracted all the girls. Yeah, exactly. They just didn't know.

Have you watched the story of him? No. Of Superman or of like Christopher Reeves? Christopher Reeves. A little bit. The new one that's out? No, I have not seen the new one. It's a new one that just came out. Man, it's so good. Is it good? I'll watch it. It's really good. They tell this whole story, his whole life. And it's really good. I just hate how it ended for him. Yeah. That's like brutal. But he was, you know, he was really, he really was like a Superman. Yeah.

Yeah, no, he was a good dude. He flew planes. Yeah. He did everything in real life. He was real active. Yes. He was really active. Nobody has anything bad to say about him. Like, he was just a really good human. And I hate when bad things happen to good humans. Yeah. So has 3-6 Mafia ever really officially broken up?

like no there's never been like an announcement of you guys like breaking up it's just always you guys doing your own projects or like yeah we just split up and just started doing solo stuff members leaving and stuff like that yeah what's your relationship with juicy now are you guys still close yeah we're still touring yay we started back touring for the first time in september of 2019. okay it was the first show we had did together since 2012. right

Yeah, so we've been touring ever since then back together. We got a tour coming up this summer. And we got, for the first time in April, we got Coachella. Oh, that's going to be iconic because now the newer generation of kids are going to get to see you and they're going to latch on to you, dude. Oh, yeah, they've been doing it. Yeah. TikTok, you guys are insane on TikTok, dude. Yeah, it'll be going crazy. Those songs will be going viral. Yeah.

I'm sitting up, I'm looking at TikTok and I see like a 19 year old white girl, like we gonna fuck it in the back of the bus and feel her nose up full of that dust. I'm like, God damn it. Yeah. God damn. No, it's crazy. How does it feel to influence just generations of kids? I mean, even like kids that are our kids now, you're like, it's just generation, generation, generation. And then all of these young artists too. Yeah.

Yeah, well, you know what it is? I read something the other day that said, well, it wasn't the other day, it was last year, but I think I'm still living in 2024. That's how you know we're getting old, when we say the other day and it was last year. Yeah, the other day, it was like 10 years ago. But I was, last year, I saw something that said that the kids that, like,

I don't know what generation they are, but the age that our kids are will listen to like the music that we liked. Yeah. Just like we like that. We listen to music that our parents like. Yeah. So, you know, like I'm a huge fan of, you know, the Stax musicians because I grew up in Memphis. My mom listened to a lot of Stax music. So I like that.

And, you know, kids these days, like, you know, like my music because their parents was listening to, you know, my music or whatever. Yeah. When I saw when when Cardi B and Offset first started dating, I saw them at I saw them at the Breakfast Club in New York.

I was going on after Cardi B. Cardi B was in there doing, this was when she first came out. Cardi B was doing her interview and I was sitting in the lobby talking to Offset. And Offset was like, he was like, man, how y'all come up with that triplet flow? The triplet flow. And I was like, man, that was Lord Influence. Like, man, he's like, man, my mama used to listen to Three 6 Moppa all the time. And I was like, damn, I was like, you're making me feel old now.

make me feel oh but uh but it was it was so funny to hear that yeah he liked us because his mama listened to us yeah no it's wild it's just it's the the lore with you guys like i've said a couple times during this podcast just runs so deep so you guys both want you guys all won an an oscar and an academy award is that the same thing the same thing it is the same thing okay the academy award is like

the let's just say the the event the oscars the actual award gotcha i've always got that confused i've never understood what that was yeah and then so you guys ended up winning the oscar for the hustle and flow song hard out here for a pimp yeah before winning the grammys yeah we won an oscar way before we won a grammy yeah still today three six mafia never won a grammy

I'm the only person in Three 6 might be that won a Grammy. Wow. Okay. I didn't know that. Cause you've won four Grammys though, right? Yes. If you include songs that read, read, that read, that's remakes of ours, five. Right. Cause, uh, we just won again with, with, uh, with Chris Brown's album. Yes. I just saw you post about that. A week ago, whatever. Yeah. But in, in 2020, uh,

with Cardi B. But to get the actual, actual trophy, yeah, I'm the only person in Three 6 Mafia

They got one I wanted with Killer Mike. Yes. With Killer Mike. The year that we were there, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was there. Yes, I remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That's amazing. So tell me, when you finally win that Grammy, because I know for every artist, my husband's the same way. It's like you guys all want that Grammy. Like it just means so much to you guys. Yeah. When you finally get that in your grasp and now you have five. Yeah. How does that feel? Man, it feels amazing, man. You know, like...

Cause it's something, it's something. When I won the Oscar, I didn't even know what an Oscar was. Yeah. I still don't. Yeah. So, but I was, you know, I was, I'm, you know, it was a blessing, you know, so happy to have that. But,

When I won a Grammy, I was like, oh, my God. You know, because, you know, as musicians, we look forward to the to the the Grammy. Yeah. You know, so it was great. It was great getting that. And it's hard. People don't realize how hard it is to win a Grammy. It's really hard. There's some people who go their entire careers and never get a Grammy. They'll get nominations if they're lucky, but never get Grammys. And you have five. Yeah.

Like that speaks volumes for your talent. Thank God it happened. What's one thing that you've learned about the longevity in this game? Let's talk about like your sobriety and stuff like that too. So you want me to mix the two together? You want to talk about it separately? Separately. I'm sorry. Oh,

Uh, right now I am a year and three months sober. Yes. You know, no weed, no drugs, no, not even vitamins. Like, you know, I'm the cleanest I've ever been in my, my whole life. I was never into vitamins and pills and all of that. Thank God. I think if I would've got into the whole pill world, I'd probably be dead. Right. You know, but thank God the hardest drug I ever did was cocaine. Mm-hmm.

Not saying that's not a hard one. It's a pretty hard one, but that's as big as it ever got for me. Yeah. You know, I stopped that long, long, long ago. But alcohol, year in three months. But now I did take my breaks. You know, I've been off alcohol for like four years at one point. Almost four years at one point, like 2019, 2020.

You know, this and that, all that. I think I started back drinking in like 2021, some part of 2021. But like about four years up to that, three and a half years up to that, I was sober too. Yeah. And I got to say, man, it's the best thing I ever did in my life.

Yeah. Sobriety is hard. I tell everybody it's the hardest but most rewarding journey that you'll be on. Sobriety does suck when you're first coming off of everything because I got sober on the Yellow Wolf tour in 2017 off pills and cocaine, alcohol in 2018. Been sober ever since. It's a really hard journey because you have to get to know yourself and you have to

to cope with things that you've always numbed, you know? And it's not easy. But once you get past that hump, it is like thinking about even snorting a line makes me want to fucking crawl in a hole. Like I could never anymore. Like once you get that far away from it, you're just like, how was I this person before? Yeah, well, I don't think like that when I think about cocaine. I kind of miss cocaine, but I would never do cocaine. You sound like my

I would never do cocaine again in my life. I mean, you can't with Fendel. No, you can't. I just read today on the way over here that Corey Feldman's drummer just died from Fendel. Oh, no. Yeah, they just announced that today. Oh, shit. Yeah, so you can't do cocaine no more. Thank God we got off of it when we did because, you know, that's what killed Boo. Yeah. Yeah, so... What was the pivotal moment for you wanting to get sober?

Man, I just, cocaine or alcohol? In general, both, both. Cocaine, I just got sick of waking up with headaches and stopped up noses. I hate a stopped up nose more than anything in the world. The bloody boogers that come out too. Yeah, I hate that shit, man. Blowing your nose. Fucking comment come out. Ugh. Yeah, I hate that. Yeah, it's gross. That alone. If I never got a stopped up nose, I'd probably still be getting high. No, no.

But I didn't like that. I didn't like the headaches. I didn't like feeling like shit because the thing about cocaine, you feel so good when you're doing it and you party. And then the next day you wake up, you're like,

Oh, God. Man, what the fuck happened? When I think about cocaine, I just think about people pooping their pants, okay? Because you cannot do a line of cocaine and not have to take a shit. Yeah, you got to take a shit. Have to. Always. You just got to be close to a bathroom. And baby wipes. Yeah, close to a bathroom. Yeah. That's probably why people do so much cocaine in bathrooms. Literally, so they can take a dump right after. As soon as that drain hits. Yeah. Ugh. So...

The reason why I got just all the way, all the way clean is just because with alcohol, man, you just make so many bad decisions. Yeah. So many bad decisions, you know, like...

There's nothing wrong with drinking alcohol. I don't want people to think that. Just getting fucked up is when the bad shit come in. You only have a couple of drinks, this and that, that's fine. But I never got to that point. I tried it. We've all tried it. Like, I'm just going to go have a couple. You know what I'm saying? Man, next thing you know. Because what happened is...

somebody will be like, oh man, you want to go over here? Let's go over here. We'll just, after dinner, we'll just have like one drink, watch the game, one drink. Then next thing you know, it's three in the morning and that one drink done turned into 100 drinks. Well, our generation is binge drinkers. Yeah. Yeah, we did. There was no, we were just trained to go. Yeah. Always, you know? Yeah, so that's when the problem kick in. So, you know, like,

Next thing you know, somebody's calling you the next day like, hey, man, we're going to be over at that same bar tonight if you want to come back. Like, who is this? I got your number last night. You remember me, man? We was hanging out and this and that.

Everybody's your friend when you're drunk. Yeah, especially my husband. Yes, I know. And see, I'm the type of person that I don't like making new friends. Yeah. I'm in the process of my life of getting rid of friends. So, like, making new ones is the last thing that I possibly want. And, like... I feel that. Drinking, you just, like... You know what I mean? You know, gay, this person, your number, now he's calling you. He want to hang out some more and this and that. And you just...

just so many wrong, bad decisions and you miss stuff. You miss stuff. Like I had a, I was talking to a big, a big producer who was going to put me on the phone with an even bigger producer one day. This one that long ago, this was like two years ago about, about, about,

of making a TV show based on my life. This guy actually got big TV shows on Netflix as we speak. And I missed the call because I was drunk. And I said... And you know how Hollywood is. Yeah. It's like, it's no problem. We'll just set up another call. Shit. Never got that other call set up. And I was like, man, you know what? You know what? That just cost me. But you know, at the same time, I don't regret it because...

It's a million people out here want to do that with me. So I, and they just, it just wasn't, God didn't want me to do it with, with them maybe or whatever the case was. Yeah. The universe always intervenes. Yeah. Nothing wrong with them. I wish I would've did it with them. But at the same time, it's like, you know, he didn't want me to do it with them. Yeah. You know? So,

I'm going to have to do it with somebody else or do it another time with them. Maybe he just didn't want me to do it with them at that time because I wasn't clean and I probably just got on set and fucked it up or something. Maybe he'll listen to this podcast and circle back. Yeah, yeah. Put it in the air. Yeah. So I missed that call and I was like, man, this...

And I only missed it by like 30 minutes, but that's, that's too long for a big, a big producer, you know? So, uh,

I was like, man, you know, you just alcohol is just have you just you just miss too much stuff. My thing is, is I can't deal with the fucking three day hangovers, dude. Yeah. And the older you get to your mental health gets affected by it. And I'm just like, I can't afford to not feel like myself for three days. Yeah. Yeah. I'm good. Yeah. That's how I have it. Because somebody told me like, man, you know, when you when you you when you hit 40 hangovers or three days.

And boy, I wouldn't be damned if the day on my birthday I saw that shit. It was like three days. If you're lucky. Yeah. You're lucky. No, for sure. So I want to circle back to the question that I lumped in with your sobriety. What's the one thing you've learned about longevity in this game, in this whole genre of life? Man, it's about just teaching yourself something new.

Always educating yourself on something new about life. Excuse me, about life. Like I read this book that changed my life and a lot called Atomic Habits. Atomic Habits is a great book and it teach you about just preparing yourself for

you know like it'd be like if you're if you type of person that's there's a late for work because you want to eat breakfast in the morning start preparing your stuff the night before you know like maybe cut up your vegetables put them in a little

in a Tupperware container or whatever and have all that ready to go. So the next morning you just crack your eggs, throw them in there, scramble them up, make your taco or burrito, whatever you want to make, and keep it moving. You've eliminated the most time-consuming part, cutting up vegetables. Everybody hates cutting up vegetables. Wolfgang Puck don't even cut vegetables. You got to sue Chef for that. So, you know, like...

And then it says, like, if you want to make a habit of going to the gym every day or three, four times a week or whatever, like, even if you're late and you're not going to, you're only going to be able to spend 10 minutes in the gym. That's not going to, you know, you're not going to gain no muscle or nothing in 10 minutes, but just go do it anyway because you're building the habit. Yes. Of going. Retraining your brain. The consistency. So, yeah.

That book right there changed my life a lot. You know, just got to stay consistent in whatever you do, you know, to the point. And it hurts me sometimes. I'm so consistent with shit. I feel like we're always learning, though. And you can never stop learning. When you think you know everything, that's when you're not living. Yeah. I feel like there's always a lesson to be learned in something. I know I learn shit every fucking day still. I went to look at...

One day I was in Beverly Hills. I was looking for this. I was looking at this condo that I wanted to buy. And it was for sale by a doctor. And when I went in this condo, I couldn't believe my eyes. I thought it was photoshopped. This main condo was awesome.

So clean. Now, everybody's going to clean their house when somebody's coming to look at it. But I got a feeling that this dude lives like this. I'm sitting up here like, man, if this dude is this clean, I want him to do my checkups because shit. This dude right here is a perfectionist. He's thorough. Man, when I went in his closet, he only had four suits exactly the same. Four pair of shoes exactly the same.

Five, four or five shirts exactly the same, just hung up, organized to the T. No extra shit nowhere. But this is what really tripped me out. When I went in his bedroom, he didn't have a TV on the wall. The whole floor to ceiling, wall to wall was bookshelves. Nothing but books.

And I was like, at night, this dude read books when he goes to sleep. He don't watch TV. That's amazing. He ain't sitting up watching a Jeffrey Dahmer documentary like I am. He's reading a book. It might be about Jeffrey Dahmer. Who knows? But he's reading a book. Right. And I was like, man, yeah, I saw something that it said that

that all billionaires read a certain amount of books a year. Books is where it's at, man. I was never into books, and I still don't read books. I do Audible. But I got the Audible. I listen to books. Riding down the street, whatever you're doing, cleaning up. I need to get back into it. A couple of years ago, I was into it like a motherfucker, but I fell off.

But I'm just starting to get back into it. It's hard reading books. Like I can listen to a book all day long. I love audibles. But when I sit down and actually try to like look and read a book, it's like I go back to that little girl in sixth grade who just couldn't focus. And like it's like I can read something, but my mind won't attain it. Me too. Yeah. So it's like I have to listen to it. I'm the same way. Some people just like that.

Like, like, oh, growing up with I got a new keyboard and it came with, you know, an instruction manual. I didn't read that. I just had to have somebody come over my house who already had that keyboard and show me what to do because I can read. I know how to read. I can read really good, but just can't obtain it. I'll forget in a second. Yeah. I'll forget in a second. So like these days,

you know, all night I'm watching tutorials on YouTube, you know, about this drum machine and this turntable and this and that. We call it YouTube University. I'm always, anything I can't figure out how to do, I just pull it up. How do you work this? And there's a YouTube video on that. I'm going to watch every one of them. And one thing I noticed, one thing I noticed is you'll see somebody that'll have like,

100,000 views on this keyboard or drum machine or whatever you're trying to make, a grilled cheese sandwich. 100,000 views and it'll be somebody that got 1,000 views. That person with the 1,000 views will have the most views

Here, here I had a sweet spot of what I was really looking for. Yeah. No, I love that too. Yeah, I do that too. I've noticed people's numbers and then you go to like watch their, you know, video or whatever it is and they always have the better information as opposed to the bigger one. Yeah, because sometimes the guys with the most information, I mean with the most views rather, Mm.

have the less information because they're trying to sell it to you right they're like hey and if you want to learn more i got a link right here go right here they're pointing and it ain't even popped up yet i'm like what are you pointing at and then after a while a little picture a smaller picture of him upon that i got one that you can go here and watch if you want to see how to do this i'm like that's the reason why i watched this one yeah because i want to see so then you click on that one they're like if you really want to learn more you go right here then you click on that one you really want

want to learn more, you go to the link down below for $30 a month. I'm like, okay, here we go. I just watched 10 videos to figure this out. You should have just told me you wanted $30.

I didn't give you $30 30 minutes ago. No, I feel that. And now they do that on TikTok too. It drives me fucking crazy. You have worked with so many artists. You've worked with pretty much, I mean, the list could go on. Yeah, everybody. Everybody. Is there anybody that you haven't worked with that you want to work with? It would have to be somebody outside of rap because I've worked with everybody in rap. So it would have to be...

Man, I would just have to think because it would be somebody in like a totally different space. Like, yeah, it would be somebody like Tears for Fears or some shit. Or like EDM. Have you done EDM? Yeah, done a ton of EDM. EDM was kind of kind of made off my sound. Wow. In a way. I did the first EDM rap record before it was even a such thing as the word EDM. Really? Yeah. It was called Feel It. And I filmed a video in 2009 in Vegas. Where were you at?

2009, I was in Vegas. Yeah, you should have came and gotten a video. Yeah. It was... I'll go back in time and show up. Yeah, it was with DJ Tiesto when nobody in America really knew who he was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. DJ Tiesto and Sean Kingston. Sean Kingston wasn't even old enough to get in the club to shoot the video, so I had to rent a penthouse suite upstairs and bring some girls, and we shot his scene in there. Yeah. Because he was a kid. Uh-huh. Yeah.

we brought out this song called feel it and the song went gold in Canada. First, my first out of, out of country, uh, plaque. Yeah. And, the song didn't get no video play, uh, on nowhere but YouTube because MTV was like, uh, we don't have nowhere to put this. We don't even know what genre this is. You know, it wasn't a such thing as the word EDM did. Yeah. It was, um, and then, um,

BET wasn't going to play it. 106 and Park wasn't going to play it. And I was sitting up here like, you know, if it's not a box for something, you should just create the box. And they didn't. So the song never got no play. But it ended up starting something. Because, you know, Lil Jon and what's my boy's name? Lil Jon and Party Rock. What's my boy's name?

Party Rockers in the house tonight. Oh, LMFAO. LMFAO. Yeah. They fucking had the vision. Yes. They was like, oh, I see what they're trying to do here. Okay, let's just do it. Let's do this. Yeah. And man, they came out with all them songs and man, blew up. And I was like, see, Sony, this is what I was trying to tell you, motherfucker. This was it. So you're pretty much the father of EDM.

Yeah, with hip hop on it, I am. I love that. I am. I was in Vegas one day over to Malouf's house for a Halloween party. I still got the pictures in my phone. And I met with Afrojack. Me and Afrojack had did a song together, but it never came out. Now the beat came out and it blew up. I heard it in the club one night. I was waiting for my verse to come on. I'm like, eh.

I'm telling everybody. I'm like, hey, I'm on this. I'm on this. I'm on this. Like, next thing I know, you know, EDM songs, they last for 20 minutes. 15 minutes done came. I ain't heard myself yet. I'm like, oh. I'm like, where is my verse? And then I saw Avril Jagger one day at the Malou's house. I'm like, hey, man, what happened? I was like, you never used that verse we did. And he was like, I didn't understand the hip hop.

music at that time but now i understand it we should go back i said yeah let's go to studio now motherfucker let's do this like we had something going we had something going i love you man we had something going here in so many words he said let's run it back yeah and um

And next thing I know, you know, EDM came out and it was mixed with loops and chants, just like my stuff was back in the day. And, you know, it became huge. They have mastered the art of being rich, rich and going under the fucking radar. Like they're never in fucking any trouble. They're never like in any bullshit. Well, you know why? It's because they never get married. Right. Yeah. They refuse to get married. Literally. They refuse to get married. No, for sure. Yeah.

I see them every Christmas because every Christmas I'm over at Adrian's house. Yeah. Oh, I love that. Yeah, I didn't. I never got to meet Adrian, but the brothers. I definitely knew the brothers. Yeah, Adrian. I love Adrian, man. She's so cool. Yeah. We spend our holidays over at Adrian's house. I love that. That's really cool. Yeah, the Maloose are great people. So let's talk about your restaurant, The Hideaway. Yeah. The Hideaway is the only restaurant.

Basically, the only restaurant on Rodeo Drive, 421 Rodeo Drive, the hideaway. Go check it out. It took us forever to make that restaurant. We started working on that restaurant in...

In 2015, and we didn't open up to two years ago. Wow. What took so long? Just licensing and permits? Permits. Beverly Hills was like, you know, we would show them stuff and they'd be like, that doesn't fit the aesthetics of Beverly Hills. What kind of cuisine is it?

It's like upscale Latin. Okay. Like we got like, you know, you can go there and get a Wagyu taco. Oh, we'll have to go check it out next time. Yeah, you gotta check it out, man. It's really good. The food is amazing. Everybody go there. I love it. All kind of celebrities be there because we got, we're in a courtyard. So paparazzi can't come in a courtyard. Yeah. And,

We got private VIP. You can go down underground and come up the elevator straight to our restaurant. So, like, nobody see you coming to the restaurant if you don't want them to. You can go through the front off of Rodeo if you want to. Or you can come around the back from underground and, you know, it's here to wait. That's why we call it the hideaway. Yeah.

But the permits and all that was a blessing in disguise because we were supposed to open up like February of 2020 before anybody heard of COVID. During COVID. Or the pandemic. And we didn't get our clearances and all of that in time. So we didn't open. And that was a blessing because we wouldn't be open now.

we ended up opening after all of that. Yeah. The universe always provides always. Would you say that the restaurant business is probably one of the hardest businesses to be in? Yes. Yeah. It's super hard. Yeah. It's super hard. You know, it's a lot of work, a lot of money coming into it, you know, cause I had a restaurant with, with these same guys and some other guys in 2010, you know, we was open for like six months and,

And it closed down. The guys called me one day. They was like, Paul, we got to close down the restaurant. And they was like, unless you want to keep it going. Because they knew I always wanted a restaurant. Like, do you want to keep it going? I'm like, how much is it? And they was like, well, you know, without staff, just the rent on Sunset Boulevard at that time was $20,000 a month. I'm like, who do I get these keys to? Because we've been to close this motherfucker down. Yeah.

Like, nah, that was it. Then 15, five years later, we went back at it and it worked. I love that for you. That's awesome. I love that you always have your hands in stuff, that you're not, that you're always doing something different musically, but you're also doing stuff outside of music. Yeah, I do everything. Love that. I spread myself too thin sometimes, a lot of times because of that.

I think that stems from just my husband does it too and I think it's just you guys are just so excited to be where you're at and I mean now you've been in it for a long time but he does it too because he's just so excited and just wants to do it all and see it all and say he's done it so yeah and not just that when you come from the hood like me and him do you know me and Jelly got a lot in common and people don't even know about it like you know our organizations and this and that all our street shit and all that shit but but

When you come from where we came from, you just want to take

Take as many steps as you can not to go back to that. You don't want to put all your eggs in one basket. I would never put all my eggs in a music business basket. Like, no. Like, uh-uh. I don't even live off music, to be honest with you. Like, I have so many other forms of income. I actually learned that from a lady in Nashville one day. I was out here recording Yellow Wolf, producing Yellow Wolf.

And I was a pescatarian at the time. This was like 2019. I was a pescatarian and I went to, I was still eating seafood, but no meat. And I went to a seafood restaurant in Nashville on the way to the studio. And a black lady came in there, older black lady came in there and said,

Me and my brother Phil were sitting at the bar, and she was like, can you guys help me out with something? I'm buying my husband a laptop from Best Buy down the street, and I want to know what kind I should get. And I told her, I was like, I only use Apple, but you can get whatever you want, but that's what I use, blah, blah. And my brother started talking to her because my brother got the bail bond business. He gave her the card, and he was like, what do you do? And she was like...

Me and my husband, we own a bunch of different companies. She said, I read a long time ago that at all times you should have seven forms of income. It's like a rule. And I was like, oh, wow. And she was like, you know, we started off...

supplying drink machines for a big business. And then I asked them, I was like, you know, who do your cleaning in the business? So we ended up picking up that account. And I was like, oh, who do the landscaping? So we ended up picking up that account. So just in that one building, she picked up three forms of income right there. And she told me about the other four she had or whatever. And I was like, man, that's a good idea. So I just started...

You know, like seven forms of income. Now I think I got 700. But I just went from there. It's not a bad thing, though. It's not a bad thing, though. Yeah. So do you have new music coming out? Yeah. Okay. Next Friday. Well, I don't know when this will be. When do y'all bring this out? We'll drop this on Monday. Yeah. We'll drop it Sunday. Yeah. So this Friday, which will be like the 21st or something. Okay. Whatever this Friday is, I got a new single with Crazy Bone coming out from Bone Thugs. Yeah. Talked about that. Mm-hmm.

For the longest, Three 6 Mafia and Bone Thugs was rivals. Long time rivals. Actually, when Jay and I first got together, I'm a Bone Thugs girl. He's Three 6 guy. And he's like, don't ever talk about Bone Thugs in the house. Thank you for that, Jelly. Thank you for that. His loyalty with you guys. Thank you very much. Like, we for real got in an argument one time because I was like, are you fucking

Are you fucking kidding me? I was like, it's both. And he's like, no, bitch. You're in my house now. This is fucking three, six all day long. So we was into it back in the day. And I don't know if you've seen our versus. We did versus like two, three years ago. We got to a physical fight on stage. That's when him and I got into that argument. Was during the versus. Yeah. Well, like, you know, like, and we and us and Bone have been friends for years. We did our first show.

song together with Crazy Bone on the Project Pet album back in 1997. The beat started in, like, 93. Mm-hmm. You know, so we've been, you know, cool ever since then. Bone is like my brother of brothers. Like, I'm closer with some members of Bone than I am with actual family members. They're actually supposed to be coming on the podcast. Yeah, love those guys, man. So, like, even when that happened that day,

Like some of us looked at each other, like we charged at each other, like, man, I'm not going to hit you. Like, I'm not going to hit you. Like, no, I'm not going to hit you. And we hugged. You know, we hugged. So it's like. I feel like Busy is the one who pops it off all the time. Yeah, he did do that. Busy is who did it. Because everybody else, man, I see these dudes every day. We got the same merch factory. Yeah. Like we go to work together. We're co-workers. Yeah.

But I had never really seen Busy in real life except like in 1996 at Atlanta Airport. Yeah. That was the only time I had ever seen him. They say he's really elusive. I met him one time and it was like meeting an alien. He just was like

He doesn't talk. I don't know. He's just got a very different energy. Yeah, he don't really talk. He's real quiet. You know, he's really deep. You know, he's really deep with his thoughts and all that. You know, I like him. You know, I'm a fan. He's really cool. And I like how he started it out. I like how he started the verses. He brought, because I started it off, you know, we're all friends with each other. So I started off like, oh, man,

Yeah man We finna go on here For history And for the culture You know Three Six Mafia And boom We gonna have a good time And they're gonna do some songs And we're gonna do some songs Bitches said Fuck that He started Posting shit Of him beating us up And shooting us And killing us And I'm like

oh we're playing prison rules now okay busy okay we gonna so I started posting stuff back we would take each other heads and like put it on other little bodies from a movie where somebody get locked in a trunk or beat up or something

So he started it off. But it was good. Yeah. Because he started really building it to be like a real match, like a Mike Tyson. Like a real versus. You know, fight or something. He built it up. He took it there. So when we walked out on stage, you know, we was walking, shaking, hugging hands, and he was still in character. He was looking at me like...

I'm like, okay, I thought this was just a publicity stunt, but I think this nigga is serious. So he didn't even shake no bad hand. He was looking at her like, I'm like, okay, this is going to be a fun night. You know, so I just, I got back into it. He was looking at me mad. So I'm like, okay, if that's where you want to go, go there motherfucker. Like this, I can do the mean mad shit all day. Yeah. I was trying to be the nice dude, but if you want to do that, then we can just do that.

And this and that. So, you know, all night we was, you know, this and that. Mad, mad, mad, mad, mad with him. You know, and the next day I know he just hauled off and threw the bottle of water against the booth. He called us ugly first. He like, man, you ugly motherfuckers. This and that. I was like, okay, man, call another man ugly. But okay, I get it. You pretty. You got long hair. I don't have long hair. I used to have long hair. I don't have long hair no more.

But, you know, so he called us ugly. And then he threw the water bottle against the booth. So then I ran up to, you know, to block them and protect them. But I wasn't going to go over there and hit him. You know, I wasn't going to hit him. I wasn't going to hit nobody in that group because I'm cool with everybody in that group. So I just really just ran up just to, like, stop this dude. But then, you know, next day I know my boys behind me kept running. They didn't stop. Yeah.

Because they don't hang out with them. So then they ran, and next thing I know, people started punching this and that, and we broke it up. Was it still all for publicity, or was it real on Business End? No, that was real. Wow. Yeah, that was real. That was probably one of the most iconic verses, though. Man, it was people backstage with black eyes.

Yeah, it was real. Holy shit. Yeah, it was real real. That wasn't a stunt. It was real. And then they sent him backstage. He stayed backstage for a while to calm down. And we continued it.

And then he walked back on stage, he walked straight over to me, he apologized. And he was like, "Man, you know, that's just..." I was like, "Man, I'm not tripping, bro." We all family here. We all hugged out and then it's the first of the month. We sung the song together. The vibes was back good and backstage everybody was hugging and taking pictures. It was back cool. Me and Lazy Bone posted a picture.

of us hugging each other, smiling. It was everywhere. But it was one of the most iconic verses, and it actually- It was the best verse of all time. Probably go down in history. So it was like, whether Busy was just playing a character, we'll never know.

It was kind of worth it. Yeah, man. It was super worth it. Man, shout out to Bizzy, man. You gave us the best verses of all times. And I love you, brother. Let's work. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, it was great. I was glad. I wouldn't take one minute of that back. Yeah. But the only thing what was a little crazy about that moment is I'm looking in the audience.

and the audience kind of got divided. So like the Bone fans was on that side of the stage and the Three Six Mafia fans was on this side of the stage. Right. So when the fight broke out, I saw little young dudes jumping on stage. Right. From they side and from our side, like ready to fight fight.

And I'm like, uh-oh. Somebody tell these young niggas that everybody on this stage is about 50 years old and it's not that serious. It's not that serious. But I also think what's cool about you guys reconnecting at the end and squashing it and being able to perform together is it shows this generation who is so quick to pull a trigger and

like hey you guys can have beef it can actually turn into a physical altercation and you guys can still hug it out and be cool because that's how it used to be back in the day yeah with us growing up you would fight at the fucking bus stop fight at school fight wherever and then you would hug and you guys would either be friends or you guys would just never fuck with each other again yeah that's how that's how it's supposed to be and yeah i love the way and it was such a iconic nightmare it was so fun yeah i love that so you're doing a song with crazy bone

Yeah, well, we're doing a whole album. Oh, okay. We got an album that'll come out the fall of this year, but we got a single that drops this Friday called I Go Dumb. And it's like on some 90s, you know, get crunk, get crunk, Memphis, you know, old DJ Paul type shit. And we got a whole album that's coming out. I'm kind of excited for that. But I got a lot of albums coming out. So I got an album...

With me and Young Buck that's coming out. I've been knowing Young Buck forever. So we got an album coming out. And then I got a solo album coming out. An album with me and Crazy Bone. And then just...

I've been producing a lot of people. Like, every day I'm doing something with different people. For somebody who doesn't like rapping, you're certainly dropping a lot of projects. Yeah, yeah. Well, because I like to make the music, but when I got to sit down and write to it. Yeah. But the reason why I'm dropping so many projects this year is because, like I said, you know, reading, reading. Even if I'm not reading a book, I follow...

Oh, you know, listening to a book. I follow a lot of educational pages on Instagram. So like if I'm on Instagram, I'm not just on there looking at all of the crazy shit. Yeah, me either. I actually started unfollowing some of the pages. All the pages that were showing people fighting, I stopped following all of those. Yeah, you don't want to bring that energy into your life. Yeah, I stopped following all that. But, you know, just watching...

you know, news and Memphis and LA is, I'll bring it right back into you. But some of it, you gotta know. Like when you told me about Jelly threw his phone in the river. Like,

I get it. But sometimes some stuff you want to hear, especially in Tennessee, because if they announce a tornado jelly, we probably want to start getting away from here. Yeah. No, the way my husband is thinking about it, he's like somebody on my team will tell me like he really is like, I don't give a fuck what's going on online. He's like, I'm living my life and nobody's going to bother me. Yeah, that's the best way. Like as long as he got a wife.

Like you or somebody on the team, you can do that. But like, if you don't have nobody, like that's kind of dangerous. Yeah, for sure. It's kind of dangerous. So when I'm on social media, I'm looking at, I'm looking at, I got, I follow a lot of pages on,

educational stuff, food, homes, whatever, whatever. And I saw someone there one day that talked about procrastinating and, you know, and just like, and I sent this to all of the artists who I knew.

where this guy was talking about, you know, just sitting on music, sitting on music. I'm like, man, I'm sitting on so much music. And I'm like, you know what? I'm not going to do that this year. So I set up. It took about a week. I set up and I took all of my hard drives back all the way from 2008 to

And I just started putting all these beats and songs and song ideas on one hard drive. And then I made copies of that hard drive. It came out to be thousands of files. I had to scale it down to the hundreds. Then I scaled it down to like my favorite, maybe 10 beats for Buck, 10 beats for Crazy Bone, and 10 beats for a Paul album, and like another 10 for a Paul solo, just instrumental album.

And now I'm getting to it. And I told myself that starting this Friday, I will bring out a new song every two to three weeks for the rest of this year. Hell yeah. I'm also excited, though, because you said you're bringing beats from 2008. That's going to be some OG DJ Paul shit. Yeah, yeah. That's exciting. Yeah, it is. Yeah, that's going to be nostalgic. I can't wait to hear these projects. Yeah, so that's what I'm trying to do this year, man. Just...

Every two, y'all subscribe to my Spotify. Follow me on social media. Every two to three weeks, I'm going to bring something out. I don't care if it's just like we talked about earlier about the musician bringing out just some music derived to with nothing on it, with no vocals on it. I might just bring out a few of those. Yeah. I'm just going to bring out something. Do it.

I do it. If anybody can do it, it's you. In closing, the last question I want to ask you is in 50 years when people talk about DJ Paul, what do you want your legacy to be? If you could see it through your eyes and paint the picture for anybody, what do you want them to remember about you?

Man, just what I brought to the music industry, like the whole creating crunk music, obviously, creating crunk music and putting that whole energy, that whole tear the club up, fight music energy into rap music, you know, that went on to go into...

into other kinds of music. Like, when I listen to, when you listen to some of the drum patterns and those little dry snares that I started, like, you hear that in country music these days. You hear that in all kind of stuff. Like, it's all over the place. Like, you hear it in so much. You hear it in EDM. You hear it in funk music. You hear it in everything. So, like, this whole, like, little dirty, little...

distorted bass sound that I was playing around with as a kid is all over the place right now. And just, just that, just my contribution to, to music. Do you feel like you've gotten your flowers enough?

Of course. Good. I used to then until I made their most known unknown album. That's a little too many flowers. So yeah, yeah. I get it enough. You know, some people always be like, Oh man, you never get mentioned and mentioned and this and that, but they just don't know. Like, I really don't like getting mentioned. Yeah. I'm like, cool. Like I like to fly under the radar. Like, you know, give me my awards and,

You know, and this and that. And, you know, you can shout me out here and there, but I don't need a... I don't want a lot of attention. I never wanted a lot of attention. I'm still the dude that go around with no security and I'm fucking sitting up in Whole Foods reading the ingredients on the back of ketchup. Like, I don't want to be, like, known. Like, hey, man, that's you. You're the guy from Three Seasons Mafia. And I'm just trying to see...

Okay. I'm telling him like, you know, if it's at the top of the ingredients, there's more of it in here than anything else. So just so you know that.

If it's at the bottom, then it's less of that. So like right here, it said cane sugar. That means it's on the third row. That means it's got a lot of cane sugar in it. I'm more of that dude. So Paul's in his peaceful era. Yeah. Just ready to watch HGTV, decorate houses. Fucking just you're in your peaceful era and we dig it. Yeah, I've been like that.

Yeah, I love that. Thank you so much for coming on today. Thanks for having me. I'm so glad we finally got to sit down. Yeah, yeah. It's been a long time, but it's all about timing. Yeah, absolutely. I truly believe in that. So you want to shout out your socials or just Google DJ Paul or if you don't know. Yeah, social media. Mostly all of them is DJ Paul KOM like and King of Memphis.

That's my YouTube. Subscribe to my YouTube. I'm always loading some stuff on there. Instagram. I do talk back to the fans. My Twitter. All of it. DJ Paul KOM. Facebook. Whatever, whatever. Yeah. Now I'm finna start getting active on my Twitch and my TikTok more. You told me to start doing my TikTok. I told you. And they be always telling me to do Twitch. I never touched my Twitch. I went on T-Pain's Twitch one day and

You know, I automatically started getting a lot of followers just because they were like, man, this dude is funny. And they were just watching. So I got to start getting more active on this stuff. You will. You'll do it. I feel like you've set a lot of goals for yourself this year, and I think you're going to crush them. It's only fucking February. Yeah. And you're already crushing it. Yeah. It goes fast, though. Yeah. I don't even remember January. Yeah. No. Well, I do. It was 84 days long. It fucking was never going to end. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

Thank you so much, Paul. And I can't wait to have you back. Yeah, for sure. Thank you. Thank you guys so much for tuning in to another episode of Don't Blonde. I'll see you guys next week. Bye.