Jelly Roll: Leading with Love
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Is this thing on? Was y'all looking up Richard Gere and the gerbil butt story? Yes, yes we were. Is that what was happening on Ask, Tell, Confess this week? As I'd just seen the TV pull up, I was like, all right. Are we recording? Are we recording? Yeah, we're up. Good. Yeah, because I got two. First of all, in true disconnected from life fashion, I didn't know this was a real thing. This has been a rumor since 98? Yeah.

What? Richard Gere? They've been talking about him putting a gerbil up his ass since the 90s? You've never heard that rumor? Never in my life, dude. This article was published on March 28th, 1998. We were just talking about this on Ask, Tell, Confess because we were talking about things that people find in other people's butts. Like nurses have had x-rays and found x-rays.

Do they have an x-ray of a gerbil in somebody's butt? Yes, numerous. No way, just a skeleton of a gerbil, obviously, right? No, not a skeleton. Like, they're alive. Yeah, but I'm saying an x-ray would show the skeleton, right? Yeah. Pull it up. No way! Bottom left-hand corner, I'm pretty sure that's an animal. Look, look, look, this one right here, hold on, with the lime green dildo stuck in there, it looks like the pelvis is holding it.

You know what I'm saying? What is that? It looks like the pelvis is two little hands holding it in there. What is that, though? You know one of those recorders that you record? I know what that is. No, that's a dildo. Oh, that's a dildo? That's a vibrator. I can't see it because of the angle of the TV. Yeah. So anyways, Jelly Roll, welcome. Yeah, look at the... Look, somebody had a whole wrench in their shit. First of all, how are you so horny that you put a wrench in your asshole? I don't understand that. No, that's not horny.

That's sick. How can you lube up a wrench and get excited? There's nothing about that. God, that thing is all the way from the tailbone. Jesus. What was the point? God, they was in there trying to fix something. Because it's pliers.

Oh my God. That would be horrific. Nasty, nasty, nasty. Anyways, jelly roll. It's funny. Hello. Gerbil and ass. Hey. Nice of you to join us. Thank you for being here. Hello, my beautiful people. I'm like trying to get his damn attention over here. Well, like you got gerbils getting pushed in people's ass on the TV screen on the podcast, but it's crazy.

This is absurd. Well, you walked in mid-recording. We were recording something before you came in, but it's so nice to finally get you on the podcast. I'm glad to be on the podcast. I'm glad that we started talking about gerbils and butts. I mean, would it be your wife's podcast if we weren't- What a dumb blonde way to start it. Talking about some weird shit.

Happy to see you here. Was Theo Vaughn too busy or was Joe Rogan too busy? Nah, nah. Nah, I just, I owed you one. I missed you being on the couch. I missed you. You haven't got to be in the new studio either, so it's really cool to get here. I've been in it, but I haven't got to pod in it. Yeah. Yeah, so it was really cool. I love it. Really, really. Such a cool setup, man. Yay.

And I love the screen. It's such a whole new vibe. Yep, yep, yep. We incorporate that into the pod now and into the Ask, Tell, Confess and stuff. Hey. Yeah, we're excited. We're a growing production company over here at Dumb Blonde Headquarters. Baby, I sent another podcast set up in the next room.

That's for propaganda. We have multiple sets in here. I like it. I like it a lot. Soon to have a closet built here too. Good. Build it. Because I don't have a closet at home that fits everything. I'm glad you're being more honest with people. You used to just say, I don't have a closet at home. And people would believe you were robbed of a closet at home.

You were trying to offer me your closet the other day. Hey, I was offering you space. I was like, hey, you got something over here. Well, we have like so much to catch up on. I feel like you haven't been on here in forever. And there's just so much shit that we need to fucking talk about. You just finished a tour that was massive. It was your first arena tour, right? Yes. Yeah, we did a bunch of arenas the last couple of years, but we never did like an arena proper tour. Yeah. So the difference is...

We get to actually build the production in an arena. So for those of y'all watching, the explanation is like if there's a state like stadiums don't have roofs, right? Amphitheaters don't, you know, the way they're set up, your production is limited to what the stage is. Yeah. You know what I mean? And even if you go into like something as big as a stadium, you can build really big production, but it's hard to build up. You know what I mean? You got to kind of build out.

You go into an arena and those things are made to hang stuff everywhere and stuff come up from here and down from here. And it's just set for you to build a really cool set. So that was my excitement about doing an arena tour was you're not limited to, I did a bunch of amphitheater tours and you're kind of limited to how the stage is set up, which I love amp tours.

I love them a lot for their own reason. They have the whole, hey, dudes are squeaching on your clean floor. Shameless plug. Shameless plug for my hey, dudes. Go ahead, show them your hey, dudes. There they are. Give them a little, pick it up and maybe show it. No, I can't make it. It's too far. But I was excited to do real production. So that was like the cool part. I love amphitheaters because...

You're kind of just there for the music, not the show, which is really cool. It's kind of an outside party and everybody's just kind of jamming. But arenas, I feel like you're there for the show. I don't know. When I buy a ticket to an amphitheater, I want to sit on the lawn and smoke a doobie and just listen to the music and have fun and watch the show. But arenas,

When I'm in an arena, I want to see a show. Yeah. You know, so it was cool for us to get to put on a show. And your stage this year was fucking insane. I haven't got to talk about it yet. Can we talk about it? Yes. Because, okay, you have. If you're from Canada, don't listen. Yeah, if you're from Canada, it's all a surprise. Yeah. There is a skull that is your logo that somehow became our logo for the house and just our lives. It's the Jelly Roll Goodnight Nashville logo. Yeah.

And how big, what is the name of the skull? What was the crew members calling it? Do you remember? They used to have a name for it. Kevin? Kevin? Yeah, they call him Kevin. Oh, they call him Kevin? Yeah, they call the big skull Kevin. How big is that thing? Tell me about your set because it's phenomenal. I'm trying to quantify it. Mimi and Haley, y'all help. Y'all were there every day too. But I'm not, I would say...

the height of this room. Yeah. From the floor to the top of this room. Yeah. So that's about what? Like six feet? No, that's... Oh, no. Oh, God, baby. That's like 12. Hey, man. I only know how to measure wieners. I'm over six feet tall. That's easily a 12 foot, too. Yeah, that's 12 to 15. Yeah, that's 15 feet, probably.

Yeah, I'm six. That helps, 6'1". So, I mean, we're talking about probably 12, 15 feet. You know what I should have did? Because I knew I was going to talk about this with you. I lie until everybody is 6'2". I should have emailed and got the information. Huh? I said I lie until everybody is 6'2". Why, thank you. You're welcome. And I am sometimes. Sometimes I am. Remember when Ron White used to say it depends on what gas station he's walking out of? Yeah. He goes, I'm between 5'11 and 6'4", depending on what the gas station says. Yeah.

But no, it's huge, man. And it had a pyro effect. So can we start from the top of the show? Yeah, let's go. It was important to me to start the show. Once again, I'm not joking. If you're from Canada, please, I promise. This is the only podcast I don't want you to listen to because we're doing tricks for y'all that we didn't do for America. But still, I want this to be a surprise. Yeah.

It was important to start on the B stage because I wanted to touch people at the top of the show. Which the B stage is insane. It's awesome. So the B stage for those that wasn't there is when you ever go to a concert and they have a satellite stage, not the original stage, another stage, it's the B stage. So ours was in the back floor, middle of the arena.

And I would walk to it. Me and you would walk to it every night. You were there from stage right or stage left. And that was so important to me because I wanted to touch people. Before I sang a song or said a word, I wanted to physically touch people and tell them thank you for coming. And so anyways, and I was inspired by pro wrestling for that. I love the way wrestlers walk down and take their time on their walk-ins and like interact. And fighters. Fighters, same way. You know what I mean? Which you're a huge wrestling fan and fighting fan. Yeah. So both of these are just tricks and fun.

Then we start with I'm not okay. And we catch the frame of that fire house on fire, which I was scared at first when he told me he was opening the show with a slow song. I couldn't see the vision. And the first night that I saw it, I was like, okay, okay. I get it. Cause it's like you go through and you touch everybody. And then we get in the middle and I kiss you and I walk up on stage. Big pop. Every time I kiss you, by the way. Yeah. He forgot to kiss me at the last show. I would tell you.

I'm never letting him down. Jason, edit this, okay? Look at that asshole. You just bleep it out so we can keep the last, Jason, actually. It was the last. It was our hometown show. Now I'm going to go apologize every time I'm on stage. Like, I just want to say thank you to my wife, and I'm so sorry that I didn't bring her and kiss her at one show at one time. So we would walk up on the stage, and then I knew that I'm not okay.

I felt like if I was going to start in the middle of the arena, I wanted to be intimate. Like intimate, intimate, intimate. I wanted to be intimate. I wanted to be like right here. And I thought that a song like I'm Not Okay would bring everybody in.

And I think it did. And then we caught the house on fire and that was all symbolic of like, I wanted to start the show with touching people and I want to start the show with fire. I wanted to have the whole arena immersed in the show immediately. And then we go back to the a stage and kind of kick off some more uptempo stuff. But this is where the story starts to the story starts at the firehouse. Right. But when you go up on a stage, the first thing you see is the broken skull. And that was all like,

we wanted Kevin, the big skull, to be the feeling of this thing coming together. Like we all started in a really hot place and we all started, we all started Forged by the Fire and we all started a little broken. You know what I mean? And then the show develops and it tells a story from there. And I don't know, you know,

We probably thought about it more than anybody watching it did, but we wanted the show to tell a story. So like when that skull goes away and then you see Kevin, the big skull for the first time, and then you see the crown and then you see the skull and the crown connect, you know, and then at the end, this Kevin, I love it. We're calling this guy Kevin. This big skull would shoot fire clean across the arena, which is crazy to see. You know, it was funny about that. I'll never forget when I told you about that at first, you were like,

is this a Rhyme Sting concert? You were like, what is going on? I was like, trust me, it's going to be fire. You were like, it sounds like a bit much. And I was like, it is, but trust me, it's all the right ways. And, uh, and it catches the house back on fire. And then the rain effect at the beginning. So to me, it was like, you know, we, we went through the, all the emotions throughout the show and, uh,

forged by the fire and broken and figuring it out and finally putting it together and then having to go through the fire again just to let it all wash away and it was literally thought out to that detail yeah cool thing is you know we're doing in canada no yeah we're doing

That's crazy. That's cool. No, that's awesome. Tell me that's not really cool. That's really cool. It's so cool. So being under the fire, does it ever get hot? Can you feel it? Oh, dude, that fire sucks. Yeah? I mean, you're surrounded by fire. Yeah, the house wasn't as bad, but when you get to doing them big pyro hits like in Liar. Oh. My hair, I have so much hairspray on my hair that I can feel it side stage. Oh, yeah. So I couldn't imagine what it feels like on stage. Dude, halfway to hell.

The very end pyro effect when it's a... And on the downbeat, all the flames go up and they stay there for the 20-second outro. Yeah. That'll cook you. You'll feel that. You know what I mean? That's the part of the show where I break my first sweat. That's my first perspiration of the night. Yeah. I'm like, all right, we're now in show mode. Yeah. I love it, though, man. I like... I don't like...

Hot shows they're miserable. I'm like everybody but I love being hot during a show. It just makes you feel like yeah I don't want the room to be 98 degrees and everybody being here miserable together But I like to feel I like to feel like I'm really into the show. You're an agile big guy though I've always said that like you're there for your size, and I mean you're a hundred pounds lighter but even when you were at your biggest you will run up and down a stage

Like it's nothing. Oh yeah. Young tenderfoot. You literally, literally old little pussy foot whittler just fucking running around. Like you will run from one side of the stage to the other. And it's crazy. Like I've always been fascinated with the energy that you bring on stage because not a lot of people do that. You know, like there's a lot of artists who just sit stationary and they'll just play their guitar or like, you know, they don't work the stage. And like you have it, you work the stage so much that you have two people

I don't even know what to call them. I call them wings or whatever. Two wings built out to where you can walk on each side. So you really work the stage and it's very admirable. Well, it goes back to wanting to touch and see people. Like I want to see people. You know what I mean? Like I am a...

I love when people post stuff at shows. They're like, I felt like he was looking right at me. Like, I was. I'll go out of my way to point. Literally. Point back at me to acknowledge I'm pointing at you. You know what I mean? I'll do hand waves and mimic hand waves with people so they know I'm, like, there's something special.

They're doing your hand waves. Yeah. I was talking to somebody the other day. I was talking to somebody the other day and I even said that to them. They're like, they said, um, he sees everything on stage. I said, Oh, my husband sees everything. He doesn't miss a fucking thing. He knows. Except the last show when I forget to turn around and kiss my wife. Hey, I didn't bring it up again. Right. I left it alone.

I had to bust your balls about that because I was just there like, I was like, you want me to go get him? And I was like, no. He's like, you want to go up there? I'm like, no. But I was just like, you know, just sitting there waiting for my little kiss. But I love you. I'm always going to bust your balls. I was miserable. I was absolutely miserable that show. Oh, baby, you had just come off a fucking. Yeah, and I just wasn't. We just didn't. I didn't know the set list. We had too much stuff variable in there and I didn't get to run through it because we were doing all that stuff that day. So I just wasn't. It wasn't definitely wasn't my best show for you.

I think you're fucking amazing at what you do. Even on your worst day, baby, like you are such a perfectionist. It's crazy. No, the Nashville show was great, but it was, I was just, I couldn't, I couldn't figure, I had done one set one way for 58 cities or 57 cities. Yeah. And then got into this place where it's like all these different songs, songs we'd never done, took songs out we normally did. We just changed so much stuff and I'm thinking of all that walking to the stage. I'm like,

And then I don't know if such and such is here yet. So I'm having to think like, is this dude even going to make it? And if he does make it, is he going to be ready? You know what I'm saying? Which, you know, whatever. So you're thinking of that kind of shit. Which some of them were, some of them weren't. Yeah, that's how it happens. You know what I mean? But also people don't realize, baby, and I know this might be a little bit personal for you, and if you want to cut it out, we can. But, you know, you were doing that tour under kind of extreme duress. You had fucking...

a root canal in the middle of it. You had an infection going on in your jaw. Like I was on antibiotics for 70 of the 90 days of that tour. My husband literally went to the, or to the dentist, to the oral surgeon, had surgery on his mouth, pulled up, walked in and walked on that stage. Like I, I,

I couldn't believe. My mouth was still numb. Still numb? I did the first three songs feeling like I had slobber coming off my face. I know. I know.

And I'm just like, and you know, as your wife, it's like, you just want to cuddle you because it's just like, fuck. That was Lexington. Yeah. No, it was rough. So I don't think people understand like you were really dealing with like a severe situation going on in your mouth and still showing up. It's still there. I still got to go get the cyst removed this month. Yeah. I still got to get a dime size cyst removed out of the middle of my teeth. Yeah. No, it was, I was telling somebody it's weird. Spiritually was the best tour of my life.

Performance-wise, it was the best tour of my life. Like, the 90 minutes we were on stage, I think we connected in a way I've never connected from the stage overall. Every physically, even though I lost 100 pounds, worst tour of my career. I mean, I heard it. I mean, I don't know what it was. I had a stomach. I thought we were going to have to cancel the first five shows because...

I thought I was going to have to get a gallbladder removed. Oh, he was in so much pain. And I just remember, like, you had... He spent the opening day of the show in Utah. You were in the hospital. Yeah. Getting tests ran because we thought you were having, like, appendicitis. And, like, we didn't know what it was. We didn't know. Wasn't sure what it was. I hadn't ate for a week and just could not... Yeah. It was horrible. But I got through. The good news was all that...

kind of pushed me further into the health journey. Like these were all little guides and I was already on the health journey, but these were all little things like started now. Even now, I thought about this today because I was going to ask you if you want to go get some of our favorite sushi because I weighed in today. And I'm like, my cheat night is sushi. Oh, how do you think?

How do you think I feel when I get my blood work back and I'm like, I haven't had sugar in two years and my blood work's still wonky. My cheat days are literally eating a fucking piece of like breaded chicken. You know, like it's like we really have been making healthy decisions and especially you this year. Like I'm so proud of you. To lose 100 pounds naturally, I would like to let everybody know that it's naturally. No Ozempic, no shots, no nothing. You have regulated your hormones. You have...

done the work you before each show you were boxing mitts yeah you had um basketball yep i feel like a bum i've been home three weeks and i've worked out four times i worked out five times a week on tour and still a lot has lost weight though still losing weight but he's doing it naturally and like he's putting in the work and that's why i don't want anybody to ever take that from you like you know how i am i'm very defensive of my husband but i and listen we're not against ozempic or any of that stuff every doctor i've talked to is for it they said it helps

I just, I was afraid of it. You know what I mean? I just, I was afraid of it. So here's the truth about it. It's biggest side effects is acid reflux. And I have a, I had a horrible stomach issue this year. And dude, I'm just, as a singer, few things scare me more than acid reflux. Like you'll watch me get up out of a bed. I'll burp and wake up panicked and go take something for it. You know, cause that stuff will just trip the vocal cords. Puking and that are the two things that are like the worst for your vocal cords.

Besides screaming or something on a cold voice, you know, so it's like I was petrified because everybody I talked to it gave some sort of a stomach thing to

And I just could not afford any acid reflux. So I want to be very clear that I've done it naturally, but it wasn't out of stubbornness or trying to prove a point. If it helps you, go get it. But for me, I was just petrified of the side effects of it. Yeah. You know, I'm in such a weird place now. I'm getting an antibiotic today. My wife gave me pneumonia. Son of a bitch. It's how it happened. It's how it happened. And I'm getting an antibiotic today. You like how he snuck it in there really fast. He was like, oh, my God.

That's for mentioning the kiss, bitch. You remember when you got me pneumonia? I've had pneumonia 575 times. He finally gets it one time. And you sent it to our doctor today and I was like, I don't want to sound, I was on antibiotics so much for my teeth.

I was like, I just got, man, I love your podcast. We talk about real home shit. Yeah. I've got actual consistent motility finally. Yeah. I didn't have motility the first half of this year. Yeah. Until like first half, first nine months till September when I started getting regular, a little bit of regular motility. I'm just now because I'm home and like the anxiety is off me now. Mm-hmm.

really starting to get regular motility. So it's like, I told the doctor, I was like, I would rather have pneumonia than take an antibiotic. You got to give me a shot. I'm not going through the gut. I'm not fucking my gut up. Yeah. And I love to hear that because literally for the past, I've been on my whole health journey for what, since like 2018 when I stopped drinking. Almost five years, six years. Yeah. I've been like trying to get it right. And,

I'm just so happy that we have this in common now because it's like we can talk about it and you get it. Before, it was just kind of like I was pissing in the wind because I didn't know what I was doing and I was trying to learn everything and trying to teach you while I'm learning. And it's like now that you're actually going through it too, we get to just kind of relate to each other on it. And I'm just proud of you. Thank you. You've really done so good. And when you dial in on something...

People might not know this about you or maybe they do, but when you dial in on something and you obsess about something and it becomes your fixation, you are going to fine tune it. And I love the fact that you have set a goal. Can we speak it into existence?

You told me this goal that you had the other day. Never said this out loud. It made me so giddy because I'm so excited and I know it's going to happen. I can already visualize it and tell everybody what it is. I want to be on the cover of Men's Health by March of 2026. Let's go. Let's go. That's my new goal. I want to have one of the biggest transformations. Also, this is where I'm at. Oh, I'm so glad we're talking about all this. I want this to be, it's, I did this publicly for a reason.

I want to be honest about my struggles with it with people. I wore it for so long. I think that people that become as big as I became, when they lose the weight, they're kind of ashamed. They're so ashamed that they go hide and lose the weight, and then they come back out, and they don't really know how to interact with the world, looking different or feeling different, you know? And they kind of got to find their whole new way, where it's... I wanted to lose it in front of everybody. I wanted to talk about it. It's on my daily role vlogs. You know what I mean? I mean, it's like this is constantly...

what I'm putting in the air because I want to bring people along with me. You know what I mean? I want people to know. And also me and you had a conversation once that was, I thought about this a lot and you can clip this if you don't want to use it. But one night you said something to the effect of, are you worried about the fat effect and that most Hollywood stars who have lost a large amount of weight are

ended up not getting placed in their career. And one of my buddies, Ethan, is like that. Y'all know, pull it up. I don't want to say his name wrong, Jaime. Ethan Suplee.

He was on Remember the Titans? Great actor. You know, he lost. He's a shredded. He's a animal. He used to be big? He used to be huge. Like big like me, like 400 and something pounds. Wow. Bigger than me. Not as big as me, but he said he talked about it on Rogan that he had trouble getting like jobs at first when he lost the weight. You know what I mean? Because his entire. Why do you think that is? Well, I think what happens is the characters like.

But around your size, you book a lot of these things like around you being kind of a big dude, because that's a specific role. Like a big dude is either normally a big funny dude or a big sad dude. It's,

Definitely very. Look at this dude. This is so inspiring, dude. I want to do this so bad. Ethan, I'm going to call you soon, brother. He offered to mentor me about this a couple of years ago. I just wasn't ready. Yeah. But he gave me the most sound advice. He spoke my language. I've never heard another fat person story that I related to like his. The transformation is wild. Yeah. Yeah, it's a great transformation, man. And now he's getting big roles again and leading roles again and like really kicking life in the ass again. Yeah.

But I realized that night, I thought about us talking about that. And what I want the world to know, and I want the people to see, Bunny, is that I didn't become successful because of my weight. I became successful in spite of it. I somehow managed to be this successful with carrying 550 pounds. Yeah.

That's insane. - Yeah. - You know what I mean? It's like, this is way... - Well, it's because you have the mentality of a skinny man. You are a skinny man trapped in a big guy's body. - Hmm. - Have you guys heard of LAL? LAL is laser assisted lipo and the results from LAL are incredible. I've been looking at before and afters from Sonobello and these women look incredible.

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slash bunny, B-U-N-N-I-E, all lowercase. Go to Shopify.com slash bunny to upgrade your selling today. Shopify.com slash bunny. Yeah, for sure, for sure. But yeah, this dude right here super inspired me. Yeah, that's awesome. But he's another guy that, you know, but he kind of broke that curse and he had to go through it. He talked about it real openly on the Rogan pod where he was like, yeah, man, at first it was kind of shitty getting gigs. You know what I mean? Like people...

This wasn't the dude they were looking for. They were looking for the big funny dude. You know what I mean? I think it's awesome that people get to watch your transformation too, because they get to feel like it's not alone, but like how he inspires you gets what you're doing for other people too. And people need that right now because in a world where there's so many surgeries, there's a shot you can take, which again, we're not, I wish I could take the shot. I can't, it makes me sick. But yeah,

There's so much that you can do in the shadows and instead you're just like this is me here It is this is my cross to bear and you know will you help me carry it for sure and I think everybody's loving it and I think that you've always been honest and truthful and This just is par for the course for you and people are just rooting for you and they believe in you I think I also got honest about like looking at my food addiction as an addiction like

I used to feel like it was such an injustice to real addicts to call food something you could be addicted to, you know, because I've seen people fight for their life on heroin. But I've seen people fight for their life in their own body. You know what I mean? And I started realizing that the same patterns that I had did towards drugs or alcohol at different times in my life.

was small compared to the consistent bad pattern I'd had with food. You know what I mean? It's like completely breaking that addiction. Oh, I got something else to announce on your podcast. Let's go. About weight. Yeah. We are going to do the Two Bears 5K again this year with Bert and Tom, of course, with the boys. Love Bertie boy. Love you, Leanne. Love you, Leanne and Bert.

I'm sure they don't mind me sharing. We haven't got no details yet, but I've talked to both of them about it. I'm going to do the Jelly Roll Challenge this year. I'm going to announce it really in January. I hope to partner with Kyle from NELC to do it again since he was the place I announced it last time I really got this journey going. Mm-hmm.

but what I want to do this year is what Bert did for me last year for people like me. So Bert woke up and ran the 5k at eight o'clock that morning and then walked it with me at 10. So what I'm going to do this year is my goal is to wake up and run it in the morning. And then I'm going to walk it with anybody who wants to start on this journey with us. I'm going to put together the jelly roll challenge.

We're going to hold accountability. You know what I mean? Together, we're going to do it from January until the 5K, 5K by May again. And dude, I hope to have several hundred plus size men and women out there busting their ass and setting goal weights to get to there before they show up. Like, I really want to do something really big for it. Me and Chef Larios, it's something we really want to cook together. I love that. We'll join in too. We did it last year with you. You did it with us last year. And it was not easy. I'm just going to let you, I'm going to preface that now. Like, and I'm pretty, I like to,

think I'm pretty in shape. It was rough. Wasn't expecting uphill. Yeah. From the moment

She jumped on the golf cart. Does she have a microphone? We can hear. We can hear. Good. Yeah. No, it was rough. So, you know, if you guys are going to do this, we would love to have you. That would be amazing. But also, please prepare. You've got to train. Please prepare. Yeah, you can't show up. I don't know how we're going to do it yet. So this is like the pre-announcement. But we're going to have a system where we'll be able to check in every week and probably put together some sort of an app or a Discord community around it. Mm-hmm.

because what I learned in that process was I trained for it pretty hard January, February, and a little bit of March, and then fell off all of the rest of March and all of April, and I showed up in May. Just the five or six weeks I took off to get back in my hole of badness, I was struggling. You know what I mean? So it's like you've got to really take it. But we're going to walk it at a really cool pace for everybody that wants to walk it at one. You also smoked weed the entire time.

I smoke weed. Okay. This is what I do. He wasn't just smoking joints. He was like hitting dabs while he's fucking doing this. Sometimes you got to take a mid 5k dab. You know what I'm saying?

I do my little walks in the morning. I go rip a little pin or something. As soon as I get to the top of that hill, I hit the pin a couple times to congratulate myself. I can't fucking breathe. The last thing I want to breathe is fucking smoke. You're a fucking beast. You're just a beast. You're built different. It's crazy. I'm a deep forward. Yeah, you are. Yeah, you are. True and true. Buddy is so proud of you.

Coming off that tour and losing this weight and just having all of these exciting things that you have going on, my favorite version of you is the version that I've gotten to see these past few weeks with your journey of becoming Farmer Roll. Farmer Roll, dude. Farmer Roll is the most content and jovial, happy person

of you I've been able to see in a really long time. Thank you. I don't, I think it's got a lot to do with the farm cause I'm getting a good peace of mind out there. But dude, I think that you're going to say this next year when I lose another hundred pounds and be like, dude, just when I thought you couldn't get any cooler, more happy in life and more light in your eyes, like that behind the scenes talk again, me and my wife are there the other day and we're, we snuggle in the kitchen and dance all the time. It's just big. We're big touch each other people. And, uh,

When we were doing it, I go, dude, I'm so in love with you right now. And you go, well, welcome back. Where you been? I said, I'm sorry it took so long. I cannot believe I walked around like a 550-pound zombie for years. You know what I mean? I even look back at the pictures. I mean, I was just hollow. But I'm still morbidly obese. But I'm going to lose the weight. I'm going to keep getting it off like I have been.

Just the 130 or whatever I've lost, whatever that number is today, I think it's literally like 140 or something. Yeah. That's a human. It's a human. You lost a human. I lost a whole human. You literally lost somebody my size, but plus 17 pounds. No, I lost a human. So it's like-

And I feel great, and my lower back still hurts, and I still feel lethargic, and I still struggle on my walks, and I'm still 390 pounds. You know what I mean? 395 pounds. So I think that we're going to see this just get better and better. Also, man, I'm managing my stress. This is maybe not the healthy way to do it, but...

I can confidently tell people I'm not going to have a phone all of 25. Well, let's talk about it. So you threw your phone in the Cumberland River. And I'd like to think Bailey and I egged it on a little bit because we knew you were drunk. And if we were like, yeah, go do it. You'd be like, okay. No, no, no. You know what's cool? Thank you for that. I needed the egg. But I was determined. I talked about this in interviews all year. I was like, if this tour goes the way I want it to, I'm going to throw my phone off the Shelby Street Bridge. Yep.

And I was proud of myself for getting in the passenger seat of that car in that condition that night and looking at the driver who had no clue where we were going and be like, go over the interstate. Just keep going straight. He's like, where are we going? I'm like, bus or right. Go around the loop. Go there. And we're pulling up the bridge and I hit the hazards and I was like, stop right in the middle of the bridge. He probably thought you were going to jump off the bridge. Poor guy. I was like, what is this dude doing? I was very persistent and got out. But I was getting to a point that I was getting...

hundreds and hundreds of text messages a day. And I just was overwhelmed. I just could not feel them all. And then when I would finally sit down to go back through them, I would just feel like such a bad human for missing them. And like, I just, I was carrying a lot of guilt. This phone was causing me a lot of guilt. Which honestly it shouldn't because people should understand that you are so busy. This is on me though. Like they wouldn't even say, I would just, I would just feel guilty of like looking back and seeing the,

six or seven missed text messages from somebody I love. You're just like, man, I just, you know, I just, and then you get to a point where you're like, but I love so many people. Yeah. And there's so much love in my phone and I just, I don't, I can't feel it. I just cannot, I don't have the capacity. I don't have the personality for this anyways. I'm glad we're talking about this on this podcast because people think this is like, that's why I said it the day before I threw the phone. I was like,

People that know me, this is like on par for me. You know what I mean? You did this when we first got together. Like, I don't want people to think that this is something new and that he's just being dramatic. Like, my husband has been throwing phones away. I've had the same number for almost a decade. My husband has had about 17. For sure. Like, the first year we were together, he refused to have a phone. The only way people could get a hold of him was through me.

Like it, and then he finally got a flip phone at like after a year. Yeah. So, I mean, this isn't, that's where I'm at now. I'll get a flip phone next year. I'm in a complete, you know, I'm like, I don't, it's healthy for me. I would use my phone as a way to avoid as well. So disassociate it would. Yeah, for sure. It's like, I would be missing text messages and know there was so many over there that it was too stressful to go check. Um,

So I would avoid that by mindless scrolling or, you know, I had these news alerts on my phone and then we become big news stories all the time. And like I started getting caught up in that and it's just not who I want to be. It doesn't make me a better person. And ultimately, I just want to be a better person. Like I want to just I want to be a better husband. I want to be a better father. I want to be a better human. I want to be a better artist. You know what I mean? I just these are.

I realized the phone does not help me be any of the stuff I actually want to be. You know what I mean? That's stressful. And social media, you've always had a love-hate relationship.

with social media. And I think it's because you are so extroverted that when you do finally speak up on social media, it's always like a big statement, you know? So it always ends up going viral and like, you know, and you're just literally being you. Like whenever you did that thing on Twitter where you're like, hey, I'm going to expose the industry. Like, can we talk about that? Yeah, for sure. When you made that tweet, what led up to you making that tweet and then what did you mean by that? It's funny. I talked about this on McAfee a little bit. Um,

Um, so for the sake of not wanting it to be a news headline again, I won't go as in depth as I did with Mac. I won't clip it. How about that? So go, go check McAfee's if you want to see it. Um,

I learned that with my Jesus talk on flagrant when people were like, what's that view again? I was like, go watch it. Yeah. Straight up. Go watch it. I said it. I'm not hiding. That's how I feel. I would just like it not to be on Fox news again. But I, you know, what's so funny about the Twitter thing. One, how just, I was so wrong at how I handled that across the board.

I was kind of not familiar with Twitter. Like, you know, and I was getting ready. Ah, man, please y'all know, don't judge me for this, but, uh,

The only time I'm on social media really at all is when I'm in album mode, when it's time. Because somebody's got to promote the album, and nobody's ever promoted my stuff but me. You're an artist. Most artists hate social media. They want nothing to do with it. For sure. Like The Weeknd, you think he's on fucking social media? Fuck no. For sure. Only when it's album time. Yeah. So it's like when it's album time, I'm definitely a lot more active. So I was like, I should get on Twitter and get more active. And I have a lot of friends over there that speak highly of the place. You know what I mean? That do their business solely on X.

you know what I mean so I was like oh this you know this might be a good place for me and I had never experienced viral Twitter except for like award speeches never nothing I posted any viral Twitter X moment I'd ever had I wasn't responsible for the content being uploaded so I just never thought I would say you know I kind of get loose and just say you know I just tweet stuff I don't like everybody else I'm mindless and uh

I think I tweeted. Yeah, I think I'm going to expose industry. First of all, wow. The word expose. Right. I don't regret the tweet, but I mean, in hindsight, like I had some real top secret Illuminati information. You know what I mean? And that is how Twitter received it, by the way. Anytime you say expose an industry, they automatically go to devil worshiping. Yeah. And it's like, I didn't see that coming. Yeah. And that hurt my heart. Yeah.

I talked about this on Max Free, but I'll go a lot deeper here with you on this because you know my heart. And I just have such a heart for Jesus, man. That just hurt me to even like, how much do you not know me? Yeah. To even think that like, if you think the Illuminati can't call me, I am friends with the name that makes them scatter. Devils can't come to me. I am. I am. The king of kings is my friend.

The Lord, that's my guy. I am safe. I don't worry about any satanic stuff. I'll watch it on TV. I'm not bothered by it in any regard. Can I interject? When he says he doesn't watch it on TV, he means that him and I both, if there's something gruesome on TV, we both cover our eyes. For sure. He really does not fuck with that. But I don't avoid it. You know what I mean? It's like I won't not watch something because...

I don't live in that world. I don't, oh, you got to be careful. I remember them old, old, crazy Christians would always be like, you got to be careful. You open that big of a gateway and Satan will come through. It's like, I'll open the door and dare him. Yeah. I got God. You know what I'm saying? Like we live in two different face. You know, it's like, so that hurt my feelings. Cause then I was like, I'm not,

going to go on here and defend my faith to a bunch of people that don't know me at all. That are just dead set on trying to misunderstand you no matter what you say. Yeah, it's like, that's something else I've learned is like every one of these things I've went through where people were weird towards me about anything, it was people that were never going to be for me anyways. Exactly. You know what I mean? You had to teach me that. Yeah, they were already looking for a reason to be against me. So anything they could hang on is like,

And I try not to go into talking about my faith a lot, not because I'm ashamed. I'm so unashamed of my faith. I wear it on my face, but I believe that faith is an action word. I don't believe it's something you just talk about on podcast. In short, I think that, you know, I just, I try to wear my faith and not talk about it, you know? And, uh,

So yeah, that just hurt my feelings. The whole, that whole Twitter exchange. And then, so not only did I use a bad word when I said exposed, then I doubled down. You want to talk about committing, just doing it wrong twice in a row. You're like your wife. Then I did. I doubled down on my fuck up and I'm like, pretty much you're mean here. I'm taking my ball and going,

going home. That's pretty much what I said. I don't remember the tweet exactly, but it pretty much translated to y'all are mean to me. I'm taking my ball and going home. I'm telling my mom. It's exactly like I'm telling the principal. You know what I mean? I just fucking, I'm so embarrassed at how I handled that. But okay, you know, I'm going to hindsight's 2020 and that's,

the internet is a fucking ruthless place and x i'm scared of x that's my lowest platform i won't even get on there they're fucking insane over there so you had every right to be like yo i'm fucking done with this i'm taking a mental health break i don't want to deal with you guys like i completely 100 understand it i'm also used to posting ghost sites like you put something on twitter and you get a re i mean on tiktok and you get a reaction but it grows over the course of a week

because people aren't that engaged all the time. They're looking at constant new content. Most of the average ex-users on there just sitting, waiting to have one of their things they said to somebody ding so they can respond right back. It's like that engagement. It's like a text thread. It's crazy. So it's like when I realized that, I was like, oh, this place...

And listen, I don't think Twitter is a bad spot or X is a bad spot. I think that it's like any other platform and I ended up on the other side of it. Like you can't, like, you know, sometimes you just end up in an algorithm of mean people. You know what I'm saying? And they have an algorithm. There are mean people out there that are on the internet that have an algorithm of stuff

they're just mean about. It's just what they do. That's why I don't go on Twitter. I accidentally ended up on that side of it the first time I tried to start using it by posting just a quote. People post quotes. And I got accused of plagiarism and was attacked, remember? I fought for you then. I don't know why I went back after that. I should have seen it.

But I think I'll be back, I'll go back to X one day. I just, I should have handled that differently. I blew that one. I'm glad we, you clipped that by the way. That's fine to clip. I blew that one. I should have handled that whole X thing totally differently.

I feel like social media is draining, period. I'm off of it now. It's like I'm just out of it. But in hindsight, like you said, where it's all 2020, I just shouldn't have even responded. I don't know why. Well, we are learning how to handle. I don't even like using the word fame because I don't feel famous. You're famous. I don't feel famous. I don't feel famous. I got famous friends. I'm not famous. But we're learning how to handle this new world. And, you know, I'm outspoken and you're pretty outspoken,

uh, in things that you're passionate about. So I think whenever, um, you know, we do speak up, we feel like we're fighting the good fight, but in reality it's like, we can't win. And we've just learned that we have to be silent about things. And I've also learned that like,

I don't have to fight any of those fights anymore. We fight the good fight. At the biggest scale you can fight it at. We fight Congress for reform and fentanyl and drug addiction and how they treat addicts. We fight for rights of people. We fight. You know what I mean? Our ministry is way bigger than our internet presence anyways. You know what I mean? We physically, and I just feel like I just got to keep doing that. Because that's my...

existence on social media only exists because I write songs that I think people relate to. And because I stand up for people that aren't stood up for in a critical mass scale. Like I'm so proud of, I'm not okay to have a song that sat in the top 20 of the billboard hot 100 for six months. That's talking about mental health. That doesn't happen. Those kinds of songs don't live in those spaces for that long. You know what I mean? The subject matter I sing about doesn't live in,

And that critical of a mass, like believe being the number one, most added song on country radio this week. You know what I mean? Like this is a, you know, like, so I learned that I don't got to fight a,

a fight on X about, you know, I should have, I should have never posted. There was nothing. I exposed what it was to be. I didn't expose. You were damn. I blew it again. I didn't expose. I told the truth about the scenario and it happened. And you can talk about that on Pat McAfee. And that's the way we'll leave that there. Everything else you can clip, but leave that there. But that was what the actual problem was.

Yeah. And yeah, man, X is all good, man. Peace and love. I met Elon. I wonder why he looked at me weird. What was it like meeting Elon and Trump? Can we talk about that? Yeah, let's talk. Let's talk about it because it has been such a huge debacle on the internet that you, we are raised in a generation where in elementary school, you are told that, Hey, you can become the president. Hey, you, the president is like the highest honor that you can have in the world. So,

when you meet a president that's a fucking honor no matter if you like them or not it's still a fucking honor it's dude there's like there's not a chance in hell i'm not going to meet the president-elect yeah i don't care you know how that would have if i would have got a call to go meet joe biden at any point i would have stopped what i was doing to go meet him that's the active president i wouldn't have cared what people thought about what even what i think about his policies i don't because i don't

I don't hide behind the I'm not political stuff. I'm not political. Like people who actually know me know that I am. I'm also one of them old school dudes. You talked about this earlier with me. I like to talk about things I'm passionate about. With that, I like to know about them. I don't know enough about politics to act like I know anything that's going on, what anybody's standing for policy wise.

I genuinely don't know. I think the government's a sham. And I have been a conspiracy theorist my entire life. I voted one time when I was 18. I think it was from Ronald Reagan. I don't even remember. It was way back in the fucking 90s and shit. Or maybe it was like

bush i don't fucking know i don't know but either way i didn't know what i was doing i just knew that i was 18 and it was time to vote and that's what i was taught to do you know i didn't grow up in a voting culture my father didn't push voting on me my mother didn't push voting on me like like they did push respect our president on me though they did like like my father was real big about you don't disrespect you know what i mean like you just you know like

That's the hardest job in the world. Like respect whoever has it, you know? And, uh, I grew up in a family that fought over politics. I had a Republican mom and a Democrat father who I watched how it would tear people apart at a young age before any of this was on the fucking internet. There was nothing about that that I wanted to even be involved in. I actually have political trauma. I have just coined that term. Everybody start using that term. Yeah. No, I feel that I, when I look back at my relationship with politics, uh,

Like we didn't watch election night. I don't have one memory of us like as a family really giving a shit who was getting elected. Yeah. So I just always carried that. Now, fast forward, like I knew who Robert Kennedy was because I liked how he was talking.

When he was an independent, it's the first time I seen a podcast. Also, I'm a podcast listener. Politicians just made it my way this year. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because Trump was on Joe Rogan. He was on Theo. Yeah. It's like I caught him on Theo. It's the first time I listened to a fool. And Schultz. He did Schultz. He did all my boys. He did Bustin' with the Boys. Yeah. So it's like. He did the circuit. Even that. Like, I remember when the Vivek guy, Ramaswamy.

was doing a podcast where I didn't know who he was from the man on the moon. He just showed up on one of the podcasts I like. Yeah. So I'm listening to it on YouTube. So I don't, and I was like, Oh, this dude's kind of like, I dig what he's doing. So the only time my ears perked at all, because he speaks for like, you know, he's a recovering addict, um, works the steps in the program, uh, believes in food addiction, believes in,

you know, changing the food in America. Like these core things that, this is all I heard him talk about. I'm sure there's a thousand comments right now. People going, he also, and you know, he did something bad. You know what I mean? I was just like, fucking, I don't know. You know, there's going to be somebody commenting the horrible things he's done, but it's like, I'm just telling you what I heard on a podcast. I was like, this dude makes sense.

I only know Robert Kennedy and that this, this will go to show you how much we do not know about politics. I only know Robert Kennedy for wanting to improve the food also. And that's the only thing I know about him. But that also speaks volumes of how, um, social media versus, um,

uh, the media on TV, like, you know, the, the news channels control people's opinions. We don't watch those news channels. We watch social media and podcast clips and stuff like that. And that's kind of where we've gotten our information from. Again, not enough information to go to the voting polls. Still not enough. I watched quite a few hours of Trump podcasts and I still didn't have enough information about his policies, frankly, to be like, I'm going to go vote for this guy. You know what I mean? Cause, but I don't,

Because I don't know enough about it to talk about it. Yeah, absolutely. But I liked Robert Kennedy because he was really for addicts and he was really for changing food and he was really for like...

broken America, my people, our people. He used to be an addict. For sure. That's what I said. He works the steps. He sponsors people. I mean, this dude's a real recovery story. Yeah. So I was just, when I heard Trump put him there, I was like, oh, this is cool. So Robert Kennedy had heard my speech on fentanyl and he came and him and Tulsi came and talked to me first. You know, they were great. They were awesome. And then we went out there and sat down and I looked over and I mean, I was excited to do like, first of all,

I hope we get to use this because this is such a cool story. The music goes silent in the room for about two minutes and I'm out there watching the fights before the main card starts. And the lights come up in one big loud, you hear American badass. And I'm telling you, I've never, I've been to festivals. I've experienced, I mean, dude, I remember sitting out,

Front of house, tripping acid, watching Guns N' Roses at Louder Than Life. I've had some bone-chilling moments, 68 degrees with a breeze. You know what I mean? Just those moments that you think about forever. I don't care who you were. If you were in that building, the hair on your skin stood up when that came out. And you looked

And all you're watching is the president elect who got elected like eight days ago, walking in with his entire cabinet with him almost. Yeah. You know what I mean? And his kids and his grandchildren, his,

And it was powerful, dude. Like, I don't care what side of the aisle you're on. I don't know anything about politics, but I'm telling you, everybody's like, you look really, you got a goofy smile on your face. I'm like, y'all couldn't feel what we were feeling. Yeah. Like that room was palpitating. Yeah. And when Trump walks right by me, I'm like, he don't know who I am. So right then I was like, well,

damn, I'm not going to get to meet the president. I was kind of sad. You know what I'm saying? I was like, damn, I kind of want to meet the president. That's your little boy. Right, the little boy. I want to meet the president. This is the president of the year. He's just the president. If we went to Noah right now and said, Noah, do you want to meet the president? His eyes would probably light up right now. Oh, he would lose his mind. You know what I mean? It'd be like, you know, he, so I was like, this is the president. And then I kind of got, I was like, damn, I'm not going to meet him. And Amber came to me. She's a hero. We do publish this. I got to use this part because Amber is amazing.

The goat she's Dana's right hand for all that stuff and she's you know, she just she comes to me She's like hey, don't worry. I'm gonna make sure you meet him I don't think he knows who I am and I didn't want to go meet him and kind of it'd be a hollow thing to be honest So I was kind of in that torn ego spot not ego place but I was like I want to meet him and it just be like a Hollow and I kind of look over and he makes eye contact and what you don't see in the video was he gives me the Trump point he goes

He goes, bring it in. And I start walking over and I'm like, I was like grandpa. Dude, I'm like, I'm like, my heart is like, dude. And, uh, I go to shake his hand. I put my hand on his shoulder, which right then I was like, I hope secret service don't choke me out or something. I know you're not supposed to touch him. And he puts his hand on my shoulder.

So we're doing this thing, you know? And he's like, I can't do the impression. I wish I could. But he's like, I love Save Me. He's like, he quit shaking my hand and he does the Trump hands. He goes, love Save Me. And he's like, you're doing incredible things. And I was like, thank you. And about that time, Kid Rock displays the ultimate homie move.

And he leans right over kid rock. I've just shook the president's hand. He's just told me he knows who I am. And he leans right over and he goes, yeah, that's what he said in that moment. How gangster was that? Amazing. Right. Just me. And I'm looking at Bob and I'm like, I love you, dude. Like, thank you. And then I'm starting to, as I start to turn around, Dana comes over and this is who Dana is.

I love Dana White. Dana White is the dude. He's a fucking G. Dana White is the dude. Dana White is a fucking G. He's a G. He's the nicest dude. He's to give you anything, do anything for you. He's an Aquarius, right? I don't know. I'll tell you what he is. Dana White is Jesus. He's very close to Jesus. Jesus for fighters. Dana and Jesus are very close to the same person. He's the fighter messiah. Yeah. Dana White, I bet he's a...

August, baby. Oh, he's a Leo? Yeah, I bet he's a Leo. Okay. Love that. Him and Hunter Campbell, which you know who Hunter is. Hunter's our boy, Las Vegas born and raised guy. Dana's right-hand man. Great guy. And Dana walks over and right then grabs Trump and goes, help us out.

You know what I love, though, is that all these boys, like, you guys are so tough. You guys are so alpha. You guys are just, like, represent everything masculine or whatever the world wants to say. Toxic masculine, not you. You're not included in that. But it's like they're really just soft teddy bears who just love their people and are loyal AF. Loyal. Man, Dana is. Yeah. Dana taught me something, man. He said, I'll pick people over money 100% of the time.

He said, I'll invest in people before I will businesses. I believe in people. I believe in tight groups. Like he like, and you look at it, his staff is like Amber and them people. They've been with him forever. Decades. You know what I mean? Like he carries, you know, that,

who he is shows and who's around him and how, and that's why he, dude, Dana White is the dude. I was nervous to meet him the first time we met him in Vegas. Well, the first time I met him, but you had already hung out with him. I was so nervous. You guys were there, remember? Oh, you were so nice. And he was the sweetest human ever. Like, I did not, because on camera, he's, you know, says crazy shit and is very aggressive. So it's like, you never know what you're going to get. And then you meet him in person and he is the sweetest human, just very loving, very welcoming. Like, it's just the epitome of,

To cheer my boy on for a second. He got on that Gary Brekker shit, lost all that weight. That dude is different, man. He's gotten cooler. If you watch his Pest Crawfers now, you don't even get mad at people no more. That's how much his health journey's changed him. He's just like, whatever. He'll just move on. Dana does not give a fuck. But he's a ride-for-you kind of guy, man. I'm so glad we got to talk about Dana on here, dude. I haven't got to really just... That dude is...

One of the most special humans I've ever met in my life. He deserves his flowers. He's a powerhouse, man. And to create the community that he's created in the UFC is phenomenal. And it's his people too, though, man. I mean, every one of those guys I met from the UFC were great. But Hunter Campbell is just... I met him at your Vegas show, right? Exactly. He comes out all the time. Hunter's the homie too, man. He is...

And you know what I love about him? And I know because I love you and I love how you love Vegas, like as a local girl, like born in Houston, but grew up in Vegas.

He's a local Vegas dude. Tried and true. He's proud of that stuff. You know what I mean? Went to a public high school. He's a Vegas dude. The first thing he asked me was, what's your cross streets? Anybody from Vegas, that's our hi, how you doing? What's your cross streets? And then you know what side they grew up on. And then you're like, oh, okay, you get your flowers. Okay, you're fucking spoiled. We get it. That's awesome, dude. That's cool. Hunter's the dude, man. We're there. Also, so we're clear, I was at the UFC event that night.

Because Jon Jones is the greatest fighter ever. Yes. And you've been a Jon Jones fan forever. Man, let's get real deep here on this podcast. Day one Jelly Roll fans will trip about this. He was Mondo's favorite fighter. He was Armando Smoot, God rest his soul. For those that don't know, Mondo was one of my best little, he was like a little brother to me. And he was tragically shot and killed probably a decade plus ago now. But Dana White, I mean, Jon Jones was our favorite fighter. In fact, this is fun to tell.

We drove down to watch Jon Jones fight Rashad Evans for the belt at the Phillips Arena in Atlanta, Georgia, and sat up in section 312 or something like that. We sat up there by God. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? We sat up there. You feel me? And we had the best night of our life up there. Me and Mondo and Jonathan Ivey, we partied. And we just went to go see Jon Jones. We were just so into the Jon Jones hype train. And you've always been a fight fan. I've always been a fight fan, too, which is one thing that we've bonded on.

You know, Dana's been inviting me to these things for a couple years now. People from the UFC, even before Dana. And I don't think you even knew that Trump. Amber, Heather, Cowboy Cerrone and me are really close. I have a lot, so many fighter friends. You know, Ian Larios, just won trainer of the year. Thank y'all. Yes. Thank y'all for that, by the way. This is for y'all that voted on Larios. World MMA trainer of the year. Huge deal. Yeah.

And I found him through George Lockhart, who I found because I was a fight fan. We miss you, George. Love you, Georgie. These are dudes who worked with fighters, and I was such a fight fan. I knew so much about fighting. I knew who their chefs were. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I was that ingrained. I'm that ingrained in fight culture. So, you know, I'm going to the UFC events because I'm a huge dude. Who's going to miss Jon Jones at Madison Square Garden?

And John's at that age where you just never know if he's going to hang it up or not. He's super rich. I thought he was retired already. Yeah, he's super rich. You never know. It's like he's, what more can he do? Yeah. You know what I mean? At this point, he's just showing out. You know what I mean? So at any time, I'm like, I'll go to every John Jones fight he has because one day he's going to clip those gloves off and I'm going to be able to say, dude, I've seen the greatest fighter ever do it. Yeah.

I've seen him do it at Madison Square Garden, Phillips Arena, and Vegas. I want to go see him in Vegas next. Yeah, that would be awesome. Yeah, so meeting President Trump was cool. Ultimately, I don't really care any blowback I get about it. The truth is it was really cool to meet the president. Yeah, and I mean anybody who gets the opportunity to meet a president, a vice president, anything like that, it's a fucking honor. I'm honored, man. I was honored to every senator that took the time to come talk to me about my testimony, I was honored.

And I didn't know what side any of them were on. That's what we're doing this for, to make a change. You know, you're going to go, what are you going to be rude to the president and then go speak in front of Congress and asking him for favors to help with the, you know, like people don't think. I'm trying to bring things together here, man. I'm going to work with whatever administrations in play for the rest of my life because my cause will always be what it is. And that's always going to involve me having to go figure this, you know,

Have these conversations so you lead with love and everything you do and I if people can't see that then it's like you said They're just not wanting it's also about seeing people for people the fight before that I'd set next to Don jr. And his whole family his wife daughter I sat next to their whole family and

And what a sweet guy. Yeah. You know, as a human, right? Like as a human being, like he was self deprecating. He was funny. He made light of himself. Like he was charming. He was just fun to sit next to. You know what I mean? It's like, the dude's a great guy. You know what I mean? Like,

The time I spent with him, what a great guy. So it's like you start meeting these people as humans, you know? Yeah. When I got to spend an hour talking to Bobby Kennedy in Tulsa and they were really telling me what their plans are and help addicts and what their plans are to kind of change the health care. I don't want to speak, but they got real plans on how to help my people. America. Yeah. People that are really struggling. An epidemic that's happening in America. Yeah.

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Yes. Well, yeah. I can't believe they were finally getting into Canada. We'll go do Canada in March. It's my first time headlining Canada. I mean, I did those three festivals last year. This is our first headlining arena tour in Canada. Sold out pretty much. Like two venues that aren't completely sold. It's crazy. We had shows. I mean, I couldn't even wrap my head around this kind of reception really. Yeah.

And then post, you know, it was cool. I was looking at the calendar today on the laptop at the house right before I came. That tour is like bigger than I thought it was. It's pretty big. It's a big tour. Yeah. And you're hitting all the major cities. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah. We're hitting every, you know, we're hitting big parks and I'm just, I love posty dude. He's such a good guy. He's so funny. You guys, he's so funny. I, if there's one thing I want people to know about post Malone is how funny he is.

There's one thing I want people to know is that he's actually as nice as y'all think he is. He's actually almost too nice. Yeah. Like,

It's insane how nice that guy is and just respectful of every situation he's in and just, you know, just he, like you say, he leads with love too. Yeah. He's just one of those guys. I feel like you guys all find each other though. Like the people that are loyal and that are loving and like you, you put out what you attract, you know? And I think that that's a testimony of just who you are as a human also. I'm just so glad God gave this to us at this age. Hmm.

Because God knows if he gave this to me in my late 20s, I'd have tried to divide and conquer. I'd have had a whole different mentality because I just had a whole different moral compass then. Same. I would have probably killed myself. Yeah, me too. Just by accident. I really would. I would have purposely done it. But yeah, I would have took it too far doing something. So I'm really glad that success came for us later because, you know. And it's also cool because I get to kind of be, I'm the newest artist in the game, but I'm like automatically the big brother.

You know what I mean? Because of life experiences and the fact that it just took me a lot longer to get to the dance. You know what I mean? But Post, man. But man, we're dancing. Yeah, we're dancing, Dave. When Post called, I was like, it's a no-brainer, man. This is like, this is the coolest thing ever.

I'm so excited. Yeah, I'm excited for you guys. We're going to come out to a couple of the shows too. And I just can't wait to see you guys together because it's just electric, you know, and he comes and supports you even when it's just behind the scenes, like no, no notoriety, nothing. He doesn't want the cameras or the glitz and the glamor. He just comes to see you. Moving on from post. Let's talk about another big accomplishment that you have going on. Sonic, the fricking hedgehog daddy. Oh dude.

How cool. Ryan Tedder. Thank you, Ryan Tedder. Ryan Tedder, that was a layup from him. Yeah. He called and was like, yo, I wrote the Sonic the Hedgehog theme song, but they want you to sing it. I was like, they want me to do the Sonic the Hedgehog song? He's like, yeah, dude. He's like...

Tedder has been doing crazy stuff at a high level for so long that he forgets how crazy some of the stuff he says is because it's just his day-to-day life. And I'm still new enough to this, and I'm like, rewind one more time, Tedder. Because he was kind of like, you know, he just went on to talk about being in Asia. Like, Tedder's just such a fun dude to talk to. He breezed through it, kind of. And then I was like, yo, yo, rewind. You're talking about Sonic the Hedgehog 3? He's like, yeah. I was like, and Jim Carrey's coming back? He's like, oh, yeah, yeah. I was like, this is...

Huge. Huge. I was like, this is a really big deal, dude. He was like, yeah, yeah, you want to do it? I was like, yeah, Tedder, for sure. I want to do it, Bubba. And just want, you know, Tedder's just a dude, man. He sent it straight over. We cut it on the middle of tour. Taking Noah to the premiere. I'm excited. So excited. Noah broke his first bone. Yep. What? Oh, yeah, I forgot to tell you guys. You should have seen his cast. I went to lunch with him at school today, and he was like showing the cast of The Badge of Honor. Go ahead and tell them how he broke his bone.

Oh, riding a four-wheeler. He was coming down the hill. So a couple weeks ago, we took him out. A couple months ago, I took him out on a four-wheeler for the first time. And we were coming down a hill, and he slid a little bit and got scared, and he bailed off the bike, off the four-wheeler. And we talked about it then, and he didn't have no problem getting right back on and riding, so I kind of thought he'd learn from it. So him and his other little boy are coming down this hill, and Noah just got down the hill and kind of got scared and bailed a little bit and went up on the side of an embankment.

So it flipped over and he went to catch it to try to push it off of him. And it ended up fracturing his wrist. But I learned something about that little dude that day. He's so tough. He wouldn't let us know he was hurt because he didn't want to quit riding. So I was like, no, I'm totally fine. He brushed it off. I was like, you sure? He's like, no, totally fine. Can I ride again? I was like, if you're fine. And he got right back on the road for hours and then went to dinner and went to sleep and then woke up the next morning. It was swollen.

So he went and got it. Do you want to talk about how cute this kid is? I know. He's got a really cool little blue cast. And today I'm like, I'm like, what did you tell somebody you got in a fight with a bear? And he was like, why would I when getting flipped off an ATV is way cooler. That's what he said. And then I said, I like your cast. I was like, I had one whenever I was a kid, I was riding my bike. And I told him the story about how I broke my wrist as a kid on riding a bike.

And I go, but we didn't get cool blue ones like that. He said, you know why I did blue? I said, why? He said, for Sonic. Oh. He's. Of course I signed it. Noah is the sweetest. I signed it D-A-D. Oh. I love that. Isn't that great? Yeah. I love that so much. Noah is the sweetest boy. Like, he just, he loves everything.

It's the funniest thing. Not funniest. Let me rephrase that. It's the sweetest thing to watch when he comes over to the house. He is so fascinated with Jay that he just watches him. Like, everything he does. And he just wants to... He is a daddy's boy. Like, he is not a mama's boy. Sorry, Melissa. He is a daddy's boy. Like, he follows him around, watches him, and just wants to hang out with him. Like, that's all he wants. He just wants to hang, man. Olivia loves Noah. She love-bombs him when she's around him. I think they're going to be girlfriend and boyfriend one day. He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

and she's just like love me I love that he reminds me Noah reminds me so much of Jay's dad

He's literally like a little, just a little buddy. 100%. He's just calm and collective about everything. Nothing really bothers him. He gets excited, but not overly excited. He gets sad, but not overly sad. Just kind of real down the middle. Yeah. It's just, that's Buddy though. Like Buddy was always very just coast, you know? So I think he's just our little present from heaven. He's a doll. I have never experienced innocence like him. Because you think, man, you know, Bailey came up in a house with trauma. Yeah.

I came up in a house similar. You came up in a house similar. I mean, you know, that little boy has grew up

And that little quiet part of America with his mama, same little group of friends from birth. I mean, she's, I give her credit, hat tip to her. She has raised that boy right. Melissa's done such a great job. She has done such a great job with him, man. We love Melissa. She's the baby mama we love. Yeah, she is super mom. Yeah. And he's so put to do the Titan game the other day. I was so proud of him. Right before I got out of the car, I was like, hey, buddy, because, you know, it's one thing I worry about with him sometimes. I was like, look people in the eye and just introduce yourself.

And he jumped out and walked up to the first person he's seen. Hey, my name's Noah. To the point I had to be like, you don't have to introduce yourself to everybody. He was just walking by. Just, Hey, I'm Noah. Hey, I'm Noah. He was like, Oh, this is easy. That's just proof of how he hangs on every word that his dad says. Like he just wants to make dad happy so bad that he's just like, he's killing. We watched the game. He's cool, man. Be proud of his little, proud of his little, little wrist lock. Um,

Moving on from Noah, you have a song dropping with Snoop D-O-double-G, baby. Yeah, dude. Snoop Doggy Dog. The first time I got to hear it was at Bridgestone, and I was really impressed. Like, it's a good song. Yeah. It's a great song. Yeah. So we did Mary Jane's Last Dance, Tom Petty. They actually, the Petty Estate gave us the Fowls, us, gave Dray, Dr. Dray the Fowls.

And Dr. Dre actually used Tom Petty's actual original vocal and went in and put it in there. That beginning, keep moving on, is actually the beginning of the original record. That's the original vocal take of that. So, spoiler alert, the end of the video, the one me and Snoop are doing for it, has a clip of Tom Petty talking about

I hope Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg do Mary Jane's last dance one day. Hey, Dre, that's going to be a big old hit when you do it. Great. Tom Petty did an interview for that. Was there an interview? Yeah. He said that. Yeah. He said in an interview and they showed the clip of the interview. It was crazy, man. It was really cool. So I want to start with the Snoop story.

a few places one i got to go record that with dr dre you remember when dr dre and jimmy ivine facetiming on our back balcony i was like i'm talking to dr jimmy ivine yeah and i opened up facetime and jimmy ivine's already on there and i'm like is it skype or whatever and i was like this is fucking jimmy ivine and i was like this is crazy and he's just being so casual he's like oh i think andre's coming now and then dre comes in like what's up big dog and then dre goes

So how do you want to go about working? Do you want me to just send it to you? You can work on it. Or do you want me to get somebody to put something together and you mess with that? Or do you want to come out here and write? And when he said that, I was there, I just smiled, not even to myself, just clearly smiled. And I was just like,

Dre, do you think I was going to take any option but writing with you? You know what I'm saying? He just smiled. He was like, good choice, good choice. He's like, come to L.A. And I went to L.A. I pulled up to Dre's house by myself, walked in. I walked into the studio, wrote it with Dre and his team. It was like...

The kid in me was exploding. Now keep in mind. And we've had to keep this a secret for months. Eight months. Yeah. So this happened right after the Eminem song came out. Yeah. Which that we'll talk about that whole other thing to talk about, which was insanely unreal. And the time I got to spend with him through all this process, just Marshall's just wow. Yeah.

But I'm working with Dre in there. Snoop wasn't there that day, but I'm working with Dre. It's the greatest day ever. And I left because when you do stuff like that, the reality of our business that people don't know is you don't always make it right. Like and it's no hard feelings. Like sometimes you come and you paint on something and they don't use it. It just it's happened. I could I could tell songs.

One day we'll do a podcast of all the almosts in my career. Of like little cool things that were like that close to happening that didn't happen. You know, you leave and you're like, even if it's, I still live in this world where I'm like, I'm one step closer. Like if this doesn't make the album, I'm okay. I'm one step closer. I met Dre. I went to his house. I believe that if you go somewhere, you can go again. I believe if you do something, you can do it twice. I just always have believed that. So it's like, I know that this will come back around. But I left there a little nervous. Like, I don't know if, first of all, Dre? Whoa.

That dude's ear? I've worked with so many producers. Never nothing like this. I would do something. He'd be like, yo, a little sharp on the V. He'd be like, yo, you were a little sharp on this word, like flat heel. He would catch it in real time and coach you through it. That's a talent. A talent. But he also did it in this way of like,

He knows he's Dr. Dre. So he has this way of making you feel like he's not Dr. Dre. Like he has this way of making you feel like he's just the homie trying to get a good take. You know what I mean? So like, he's like, he's like, oh, that was so close. A little flat right there, baby. One more time. One more time, big dog. Like he just like really got, he's like, it's crazy, dude. It's like, it's so Dr. Dre. Um,

So getting to do the Snoop song, man, you know, and then Snoop coming to the Bridgestone and doing it. I don't know. Have y'all talked about Snoopy? We did. We talked about Uncle Snoopy. About how great he is to everybody. I love him. Okay. And how the rings and everything. Like, he's just a great human. Yeah, just the sweetest dude ever, man. So sweet. Working with him, working with him. His whole team. His whole team is amazing. I had a moment I was thinking about yesterday. I prayed for them. Like, I prayed for them.

Whenever I started having a success like God, my heart is so for hip hop and always has been like it's not my space anymore. But I would love to contribute. You know, I'd love to still be a part of that, you know, of any way I could be. And in the first year, I got sent like a bunch of super gangster young rappers. I won't say their name, but like you remember, like all the real like, you know, I love their music. I listen to it in the gym, but it's like it just wasn't my spirit.

But then I kind of got more clear with God because God said, you got to ask directly. I'm like, God, I need a conscious rapper. Like send me J Cole or like Eminem or Joyner Lucas or something. Joyner Lucas sends a song. Eminem flip save me. Dr. Dre sends me a Snoop Dogg record. So then I pray, God, send me a Christian record then. Like, you know, my faith. And of course, belief is to me, it's a Christian record, but it's a country record, right? Man, I got to call.

You got to believe this too. Have you told them? No. Because I bet Mimi knows this because she's not more on TikTok than you, but her algorithm is wider. Have y'all heard that? I'm doing that song with that guy. With him? With him. That song. He sent the stems over today. Yeah.

My husband, let me just tell you what my husband hit me with today. Okay. I'm laying in bed. Just my husband. It's the cutest thing. Now that he's home, he waits for me to wake up. And then the minute I opened my eyes, he comes in the room like a little boy on Christmas and just unloads his morning on me. And I never want to change it. Like I love it. It's the sweetest thing ever. Um, and in his unloading this morning, he was like, what if I'm being called to ministry? And I was like,

Okay. Hold on. I was like, hold on a second here. I'm like, I married a fucking rapper. Okay. I've dealt with you moving to country. I was like, please Lord. If in from country to whatever else acting, whatever you want to do. But I asked you this years ago. I said, please, if you are going to become one of these huge pastors that preaches at mega churches, please,

please let me get my affairs in order. Okay. Because that is going to be a huge jump for me.

No, no. I'll be like, I will be the real life Mary Magdalene at that point. You know, like it's just crazy. No, no, no. I think we'll end up serving God a bigger purpose one day, but it's not now. Right now we're a gateway to God. Yeah. Like a gateway drug to Christianity. I like that. I like that. You come to a Jelly Rolls show, next thing you know, you're at like.

Nate Bargatze show. And next thing you know, you're at a Casting Crowns concert. You know what I'm saying? You never know, dude. It's like a gateway. You know what I mean? It's definitely a gateway for spirituality, which that's one thing. The reason why you resonate with people so much is you're not religious. You're spiritual. And that's huge. And people who are hardcore Christians, no shame or disrespect towards you, but

But sometimes their approach is a little harsh. For sure. And with you, it's more of like how Dr. Dre coached you in the studio. That's how you are with people getting them to see their faith and see that there's something more to believe in. Yeah, it just, to me, it even starts back to like the basic principles of like the 12 steps.

Like they immediately are like, look, we don't care what the higher power is, but you got to get out of the ego and narcissists of yourself. Yeah. Like you can't count on yourself to get you out of this hole. Like you're going to have to lean on something outside of your own understanding. This is far back in time as it goes. You know, the Buddhists believe in the...

having the right mind, you know what I mean? Being able to see more clearly and being more in tune with their inner spirit. And you know what I mean? Like, cause at the end of the day, man, I'm a, I write, I'm a dumb songwriter, right? You know, all that other, you know, I talk a good game, but at the end of the day, I'm a, I'm an idiot that, you know, writes melodies, right? You know what I mean? Very smart man. That's what I do.

That's what I do. I'm a dumb songwriter. Don't listen to me. So let's talk about Eminem really quick. What was that like working with him? What was it like meeting him? Like, I haven't really got to hear you talk about the whole Eminem experience. It was a dream come true, man. I mean, I can recite...

I don't think I know more songs of anybody than I do of Garth Brooks, Eminem, and James Taylor, Jim Croce. I mean, I probably sing every song they ever wrote. Would you even incorporate James Taylor in the whole concert, Fire and Rain? For sure. That's how much James inspired me in every way. I got to tell him that at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame when I sung Crosby. I was so fucking jealous. It was so awesome. Him and Kenny Chesney were in the same room together with Mac McAnally, and I just walked in there like a little kid. I love it.

And I just left Dr. Dre's room. So I was already just like, just the kid in a candy store. I think I was skipping, you know what I'm saying? I have a little arms flailing and I was having a ball. So, um, I seen something on my calendar the other day that I don't even know if it's real, but it's, um, I don't, I don't want to say cause it might get canceled from me, but you can say it, but just, we can bleep it. The day we play Michigan, they have a scheduled meeting with me. And if I get to meet,

That will be the final check of like my dream in life to meet the dude that inspired me. He loved it. But meeting Eminem was like meeting, you know, it's like meeting Garth, like meeting James Taylor for me. It was that big of a deal. You know, I love the meme that got famous that said Eminem got me through my childhood. Jelly Rolls getting me through my adulthood. Cause like Eminem got me through my childhood.

And then the irony that to some degree saved me would impact him enough that he would create art to it. So to some degree, maybe I've helped him in his adulthood in this weird way of the universal music circle. You know what I mean? I always arrogantly felt like me and him were going to connect. I always felt like there was manifesting. Yeah. I felt like there was too much me, too much him in me for him not to see eventually, you know, like,

similar stories with our addictive, uh, addictive past, similar personality stories of getting custody of our children, uh, having to go through all this stuff kind of publicly with our children, our daughter, you know what I mean? Like that, that there's so many little parallels there of like, you know, like ultimately just trashy kids, you know, just white trash kids. Like it was just so many, and it was everything I thought it'd be dude. It connected in that way. He's first of all, he's funny. He's like funny, funny. Um,

And Paul Rosenberg is the real hero in this. You would be talking about how we know how we spent 20 minutes talking about how great Dana White is. That's Paul Rosenberg in the music business. Yeah. Paul Rosenberg is Dana White. He's like, what can I do to help you? You know, cause dude, when you've had the biggest artist of this century, pretty much, uh,

You're just in a place you just want to help people. You know what I'm saying? That's who Paul is. That's so funny because in all of Eminem's records, he's just shitting on Paul. That's like his thing. It's his thing. I think that's his way of saying I love you. It's his way of telling Paul he loves him. And him and Paul are as thick as these, dude. Him and Paul, I...

I hope me and John live long enough to have that kind of kinship. You can just tell it's 20-something years of managing each other and day-to-day just being best friends in the foxhole and figuring it out. You know, it's just awesome, man. Paul's also old school management, man. Yeah. You know, just great dudes. Working with him, it was awesome. We'll talk about the Ozzy thing while we're here, though. I didn't talk about this. That was awesome.

Besides SummerSlam, it was in the top coolest moments of the year too. - First of all, SummerSlam still has me in a chokehold literally because you pulled that off so seamlessly. Like I even had my wrestling friends texting me like, "Dude, what the fuck? Are you gonna become a wrestler too?" - Yes!

Yes. Holler at me. Side quest. Side quest WWE. Neil Lowey. That's my boy, man. Triple H, call me. I'm getting in shape. Y'all think I'm getting in shape not to become a wrestler? This is craziness. No, for sure. I would like to see you in a little sling thing. I have a dream. John Cena is doing his farewell tour for the next year.

And the next year I want to get in shape enough to do a tag team match and he'll be my tag team partner. That'd be awesome. Just like on some, just random childhood scratch it stuff. Like imagine me getting to do and be taught John Cena's tag team partner. You know what I mean? Or maybe me and the Miz can do a tag team match. I want the Miz to coach me. Yeah. If I, if I really do do it, I would, I would go move in with the Miz for a few months. I love that.

I love that. I think it'll be great. Amazing. True story. I'd listen. I don't put anything past you. If you say you want it to happen, it's good. And you want it to happen bad enough. It's going to fucking happen. Jelly roll. John Cena, jelly roll. John Cena and the Miz are truth or something. It'd be so cool. I don't think people realize that you've been manifesting so much. Even when you were rapping back in the day, like your songs, you manifested like a woman like me, you manifested, uh,

Grammy nominations, you've manifested. We've got two more this year, baby. Two more this year. We're going back again. We're back. We've made it twice, dude. What does that feel like, though? I know you probably get asked this question all the time, but as your wife getting to see this journey so up close and personal, to just being like a little boy in your room saying that you want, or even a teenager rapping and sleeping in your car. Yeah.

you know, did you always know that you were going to get Grammy nominations? Is that just another way that you manifest? I don't know. I remember singing songs about, I don't know if I'll ever be nominated for a Grammy. Cause you know, like you're just like manifesting that kind of idea that you would even be in those conversations. Yeah. Um,

I remember leaving the Grammys this year thinking about that big pun line. In Miami, almost came home with the Grammy. Next year, bringing home three for the family. You know what I'm saying? I was like, that's how I left this Grammy feeling. Anyways, I was like, I'm coming back next year. We're going to win. There's nothing in the music business, there's no title that means more in our business than being a Grammy award winner. The only title that means anything

less than that, but still holds a lot of weight as being a Grammy nominated musician. That's how big the word Grammy is when it comes in our business that it's it. I've won CMA new artists of the year. I've won AC. I've won CMAs, ACMs and CMTs. I've won the big three in country music. I've won people's choice. I've, I've won a triple plays for having three number ones in a year. I wrote, I mean, I've, I've won, uh,

that I never, I just got Touch Tunes Artist of the Year. I was the Artist of the Year. For like, for bars? Boom. Yeah, for bars. The Touch Tunes. Are people depressed? You don't worry about what happens in a bar, okay? Come on. You don't worry about me. If I'm in a bar,

How do you know they're not banging halfway to hell? All right, maybe. How do you know they're not banging, you judgmental motherfucker? We listen and we don't judge. You don't try to take my little shine away from me. I won an award and you were like, what a group of sad people to listen to you. Listen, I'm the only person that can get away with saying that to you. But all of those, think about all those accolades and accomplishments that

platinum albums, things I never ever thought could be possible. And the moment you're nominated for a Grammy, all of that stuff gets pushed to the side and you're introduced as Grammy nominee. That's how much the Grammys. You know what I mean? Is that all those other things that you could list, you know what I mean? All of that gets swallowed by just being nominated. The Recording Academy considering you.

swallows every other one of those accolades in an introductory setting. Like the fastest way to explain to somebody what I am, if you were trying to explain it to somebody, is he's a Grammy nominated singer. Yeah, they never list the other ones. And they would immediately be like, okay, this dude can sing or something. He does something good enough, the recording. So yeah, man, you want to win one, dude. I want to win one really, really, really bad. You will win one. That's the dream. You will win one. I would love to win one. I'm not okay as nominated. It would mean a lot if it won.

Because the subject matter of the song, like Save Me last year, when me and Laney were nominated for the country event of the year, we lost to Zach and Casey, which was right. I mean, they had a huge record. But it would have meant so much to have had Save Me work because, you know, it's such a cathartic song. It's not like a pop song. It's not like a dancing kind of a, you know, like, it's just like...

Real shit. Yeah. Like, first of all, I'll take a Grammy anyway they want to give it to me. Any Grammy you want to give me, I'll accept. But if I could get it with something cathartic, it means that much more. Just because that's part of your healing journey that you're on. Yeah, it's just part of what I'm healing and helping people heal. And music just heals people anyway. Like,

I say this every night to the point of redundancy, but I believe it like I believe in my faith that music truly is, you know, there's a record I'm listening to right now to learn to do, but that record is doing more for me. If I don't cut this song, I don't care.

Because it's doing so much for me listening to it every day. Yeah. I've never seen you have to, I don't want to use the word struggle because I don't think you're struggling, but everything comes so seamlessly and effortlessly to you that you're actually having to work for this one. Well, no. You know what it is? You've never seen me in there with my lunch pail. The studio's one place you've never really frequented much, even when it's at our house.

So you don't see that, but I struggle a lot. That is actually way more common than, that is the place where I struggle the most. Really? You know why? Because I believe in getting it right, so I'll take my time. Yeah. And I'll change the key of it two or three times, and I'll go through all these processes, because I learned a lot. This is inside baseball. I would have done Son of a Sinner in a different key. Really? Had I known what I know about music now. Like, if I knew how my voice sat over the drop D chords, and had I just had a better understanding of,

that on the guitar at the time, I would have totally, I'd have sung it probably like a G or something more even. Something I really could have vocally excelled on. You know what I mean? But I'm learning that. I didn't know. You know, I'm just now learning the guitar still. I'm still learning the guitar at the pace of a snail. You know what I mean? I'm learning it at the pace of a slug with salt on it. Well, you know how to play Lonely Roads. That was a funny tune. Didn't you like that? I asked for a serenade and fucking I got Lonely Roads. Two, three. Lonely Roads.

I feel like we have adopted Kels as our little brother. He's like the uncle. I love him, man. I love that dude so much, man. He's just, I don't know, man. He's such a misunderstood guy. But yeah, Kels, I feel like is our adopted uncle that is just, he's the sweetest storm. Yeah. Yeah. He's a...

He's healing too, man. He's got a lot of healing to do and he's working on it. Just watching the progress he's made in the last year for me has been really cool. Like I see leaps and bounds just from the dude I talked to at the Grammys earlier this year. Yeah, absolutely. The dude that I was on FaceTime with for multiple hours all last year. You know what I mean? So,

I think you've been a really good influence on him also. I think I've said this numerous times, but I think you guys both needed each other. I think he needed someone to help guide him and figure out his shit. And then you needed somebody to kind of like...

I need somebody who understood me too. Right. Like I'm, I'm relatively misunderstood in my business. Not in the work. What I love about this is because of you and you letting people into our living room, like I'm not misunderstood on social media because they get a full context of our family and who we are as humans. But like in our business, I'm pretty misunderstood because I don't really have a lot in common with a lot of these people. Right. And I don't mean that in a mean way. Like,

But the friendships I have, I had to work really hard to build in this business or they were just supernatural. But for the most part, I'm surrounded by people that don't really understand me. Yeah. You know, you're different. Yeah. I came from a different place. Kells came from the same place. You know what I mean? It's like it hits a little different whenever I get to talk to him because, you know, he went through some of the stuff I had to go through early. He went through, especially whenever he switched from hip hop to making the kind of that pop punk. Yeah. So that was that was really cool.

Can we talk about your birthday? Best birthday ever. Big 4-0, baby. Fouty. Fouty Wada. Get out of my studio. Tell me about it. Like, so...

They did. Y'all surprised me with the roast of jelly roll. Hold on. Let's tell the truth here. Yeah. Kells. Kells surprised me. Well, you set the surprise up and Kells ruined it. Kells fucking Kells ruined it. I called him and I was like, you are so fired, dude. I said, first of all, it is so hard to keep something away from my husband because we're just so close that we just tell each other everything. And we're the worst at surprising each other with anything.

And I, we finally made it to like up to like the day before his birthday. He had no right day before he had no idea. Everything was fine. Like we were, it was going off without a hitch and Kels fucking calls him and was like, so they're doing a roast for your birthday. And then my husband calls me. He's like, so I know you guys are doing a roast. And I'm like,

are you and he tried to do it so calmly and like just put it in there and I'm like talking to him and I'm like yeah so yeah wait how do you know we're doing a roast like what are you like who fucking told you but yes hey Prime members have you heard you can listen to your favorite podcast at free good

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You ended up getting a roast for your birthday. It was so awesome. Yeah. I was, one, I was so overwhelmed with who all y'all got to show up for me. Like when I pulled up there and I knew you were doing a roast, I was like, so the easiest way to say this is Burt Kreischer, Mark Norman, Jay Oakerson, Whitney Cummins, Tony Hinchcliffe, Adam Ray are all amazing.

At this road. Busting with the boys. For sure. But I'm talking about, I'm starting with just the comedian. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you would have got any one of those six comedians to come, I would have been blown away. Like it would have blew my mind that Tony Hinchcliffe flew out for my birthday on the middle of the week. Like it would have blew my mind that Burt came from Los Angeles, California to Nashville, Tennessee on a Wednesday to tell jokes about me for my birthday. Yeah.

Then I show up and all six of them are there. Like I walk into the room and I see Bert. I'm like, holy fuck Bert. And then in that moment it hits me. I was like, and I look over Bert's shoulder and I think I seen Chris Porter. And I was like, Zach Myers. And I was like,

And then I looked to the left and I seen Whitney Cummins. And that was crazy. Cause you know how much I love Whitney and how much you love Whitney. And I don't have a relationship with Whitney. You do, which is even cooler. Whitney just like fresh grace introduced us even cooler. Like the fact Whitney would show up just on some, like, I know who these people are. I know they're good people, you know? Yeah. And then I see Tony Hinchcliffe and I was like, there's no fucking way. And like, just for perspective, Whitney Cummins, but let me finish this and explain it like this way. But yeah,

Then I hear Burt go, I'll wait till you see what Mark Norman's got. And I was like, Mark fucking Norman's here?

He's like, oh yeah. And then Jay Oakerson walks in and I'm like, dude, you know how much I love Legion of Skanks. One of my favorite podcasts. Like these are like, these are my friends, but also the stuff that I actually consume. Like this is the stuff I listened to. Like, but you also go out of your way. Like you go to skank fest every year. Like you are a huge comedian fan. For sure. I'm a huge fan of the, yeah, I show up. I love the stuff. It's, it's much what I love. Um,

So I'm looking, I'm like, this is crazy. And then of course I see way Taylor and will the bus and what the boys are there. And I'm like, yo, this John Crist is here. I'm just looking. I'm like big David Lucas walks in. I'm like, what the fuck is going on right now? Like these are like, and I was telling you this cause I'm sure you knew it when you did it by design, you and John McNeely and John Craig, but yeah,

You couldn't have picked the, like you picked the, the roasters. Like Whitney's a roaster. Oh no, I know. Tony's a roaster. You know what I mean? Like David Lucas is a roaster. Yeah. That's what they do. These are, these dudes come and they're, they're, they're going to spray shit. Yeah. This is real. You know what I mean? It's like, I was just blown away, man. And then that, that's just what was happening on the stage. Who showed up out there. And I love that nobody knows who showed up because there's no proof of it. Yeah.

There was no phones. Yes. That was the highlight of the night for us too. It didn't turn into a big meet and greet or, you know what I mean? Like even with internally, like we actually partied and hung out all night. Yeah. The roast was awesome. You know what else was great about it? It wasn't too long. Sometimes those things are too long. Yeah. It wasn't too redundant. It was perfectly timed out.

Everybody had a great moment. I cried laughing in a way I haven't laughed ever probably. And then we went out to Kid Rock's bar and sung. And then we broke into my bar and checked it out. You know what I mean? Yeah. Hoping I'm getting in trouble for that. But that's where we ended up at. It truly was the coolest thing ever, man. I couldn't thank y'all enough. I was blown away.

Just who all showed up, how cool everybody was. Maybe everybody loves you. And John Vanilli and Jonathan really did a lot for that. I'm telling you, dude. Titan players. Josh Adam Myers opening it. Josh Adam Myers, the goddamn comedy jam starting it with a What Did Jelly Roll Do When He Was Young song. And he listed every bad thing I could have done and blamed me for every crisis in American history. It was so awesome. I was like,

And, you know, even his band, like touring with them dudes and getting to see them and like. I miss them on tour. I do too, man. Their energy was so pure. I got to bring Josh back out. I was going to do Canada, but it just wasn't in the budget. Yeah, dude, it was cool. It was the best night ever, man. I genuinely was just in every way I could be blown away, man. Yeah. It was so cool. The only regret I have is I didn't get to say hi to everybody.

Yeah. But I mean, you deserve to have a night where you don't have to say hi to anybody and just be there for you. And I'm glad that everybody was cool with that. Cause I was a little worried about that. And I'd called John finally. Cause you know, me and you had talked, I'd called bunny specifically and said, Hey baby, I love you, but I don't want to do a birthday party for my 40th. I don't like birthday parties at all. I don't dig them. I don't, I just don't like them. I don't because it becomes, it's a me thing. And it's like, I live in a me world. Like I already have to fight that of like,

everything being about us. Like when we went to our niece's wedding, I went there with one goal to only take a picture with my niece. Yeah. Not because I didn't want to take a picture with everybody, but I didn't want anything about her big day to be about anything but her. Yeah. You know what I mean? It's like, I just always want to be conscious of that. So I didn't want to have a big me fest for my birthday, but it was the best me fest ever. It was the best me fest ever. It was so cool. And it was also funny. It was a me fest how you needed it. It was also funny because me and Tony or me and Bert,

are really friends. Me and Bert are really, really friends. Me and Tony are really, really friends. Me and Adam are like, me and Tony have got so close. I mean, that is my boy, boy. And we've had some of the coolest moments with each other where we would just be dicking around and say, we're going to do this. We're going to do this. Like manifesting wild, dreamy scenarios to each other down at a bar in a comedy club. And they've come true. When Tony's like, I'm going to do an arena thing.

And I'm like, dude, when you do an arena, I'll come sing the national anthem. He's like, all right. He does his first arena. I show up and sing the fucking national anthem. Like, you know, it's been so cool to see these kind of moments. And one night we were drinking and Tony said, your next big birthday, I'm going to roast you. And he did it. You know what I mean? And this was pre arena kill Tony. You know what I'm saying? And like, he didn't back to, I'm sorry. I keep talking about it, but you had, you know,

multiple arena acts in there on a Wednesday night that flew commercial to tell jokes for me, multiple theater acts, like real deal, full blown two, three, 5,000 person theaters everywhere in America, multiple nights in a row. Whitney's huge. Adam Ray's, Adam Ray's Dr. Phil is huge. Like just looking at who all was there just from that perspective, I was like, if we did, if you had to pay these people their rate, this is a $5 million stage. Yeah.

No. And they all showed up because they love you, baby. And you give, you give to them too. And they, it's, it goes back to what we said about like the, the UFC thing. Uh, the comedians are the same fucking way. They are literally like they're, they're brash, they're tacky, they're rude on stage, but in real life, they're loyal, they're loving and they love you. And that's why they showed up, baby. They, uh,

I'm so blessed that in the middle of the country music explosion and the comedy explosion, I got to thread both needles in that. Bringing worlds together. Yeah, man. And I truly have more comedian friends than I do musicians. That's the truth. No, yeah, you really do. You don't really hang out with too many musicians. The boys. Yeah. Cody and the boys. Yeah, yeah, Cody and the boys. My little crew. I got my little crew. Which Cody just won his first award.

Cody got his album of the year. I love that clip. Do y'all have that clip? When I jump, it's the aerial view. So you won't see it. It's from a fan, but you watch me explode out of my seat. Like I want to rush and tell Cody. I know. And I was waiting on him to hug his wife, like a little kid. Like, all right, now hug me. Now hug me. I'm excited. I told Brandy, I told,

Brandy, I was like trying to like hold you back from stealing their moment because you were so excited from him. It was the cutest thing ever. I was so excited for him, man. He deserved that though, man. He's been right there on the list of it like 10 times. Yeah. And just...

He deserved it, man. He deserved that so much, dude. I love the album. And you know, the other thing I said in my post about it, I'm like, oh, I'm just, I'm like, I gotta wait my turn. He's like, ah, Randy, you're cool and all, but get the fuck out of my way. Oh, look at him. I was so happy for him, dude. I love that dude, man. I feel like if you can't go to award shows and be happy for other people, then why are you even there? Yeah, dude, it's just like, also, Cody's my boy. Like,

He deserved it. That album's fire. Him and Brandy are so sweet. Yeah. I was the only feature on the original version of Leather. Yeah. Carrie's the only one on the full album now, me and her. So dude, it's like, you know, and that was a win for all of us. Do This With The Chicken? What's that about?

He wants me to do this with one of my chickens, and I am. I've got a rooster at home. You guys know his attention span is of a squirrel. So if you give him an opportunity to get lost, he's going to get lost. Did you do something with the chicken? I'm going to put my chicken on my phone, and I'm going to make a TikTok. All right. That's cool. That's how they sext. That's how they... That's sexting. I love that. That's...

I'm going to send my work wife a content idea. Why was that chicken blue? That chicken was Pepsi blue. No, it's the light behind. It's an orb. Okay. All right, never mind. I was like, that chicken was, that chicken, yeah, that's a big one. It's a small chicken. Okay, everything about that just looks crazy. What if it shits on you while you're doing it? Hey, man, chickens be shitting. I bring them in the house a lot more often than you guys would realize.

Sing them on a chicken. Who's going chicken hunting? We going chicken hunting. Who's going chicken hunting? We's going chicken hunting. What? Oh, boo. Haley? I see pee. This girl. Get down with the clowns. Listen, I use this as an example all the time. She didn't even know who Stevie Nicks was until she got with our crew. I did. I did.

she was Fleetwood Mac. It's a little worse. I still introduce her to so much different music. It's crazy. All right, we'll wrap it up here. That's Bob Saget. By the way, not Seger. She thought Bob Seger was the dad on Rest in Peace. Bob Saget, by the way, who was a comedian on Full House. Not to be mistaken for Bob Seger, the famous rocker from the 70s.

Daddy, I love you. I love you. Thank you for coming by the podcast. Well, thank you for having me on Dumb Blonde Plus Two. You will be here. Next time I see you, it'll probably be another fucking three years. You know, I'll try to squeeze you in. Oh, you know, I hope you do. I hope you do. I love you so much. Thank you. I'm glad I came and did this. Thank you. Love you. Bye. Love you. Sign out for us. Oh, yeah. Till next week.

Is that how you do it? I forgot. Thanks for listening to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you guys next week. Thanks for listening to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you guys next week. Bye. Nope, do it, do it.

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