Jessie Murph: Big Hair, Bigger Feelings
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Is this thing on? What's up, babies? Welcome to another episode of Dumb Blonde. Today's guest isn't just a rising star. She's a walking, fire-breathing, lyrical assassin. She sings what most people are afraid to say out loud, and she does it with zero apologies, Miss Jessie Murph. Hello. Hi, baby. It's been a long time coming. I have been wanting you on the podcast forever. I know.

dude I'm so glad I'm here I feel like we've never gotten to like actually talk we're always in very loud environments yes and it's like a quick passing thing so I'm excited yeah I'm excited to get to hang with you for a little bit um last time I saw you we were on the red carpet at the ACMs and you had Wilbur with you tell me the story about Wilbur because he went completely viral dude he was a star of the carpet it was wild right ever I know that I literally ran up and I was like oh my

God. And then I'm like, you don't want a pig. Like that's the first thing I'm like, I got three at home. They fucking uproot everything, dude. Like tell me the story about Wilbur. Wait, are your pigs here? No, this is just my studio. That makes sense. I was like, damn, y'all got a pink staircase. That's so, uh, yeah, no, this is just my girl cave. Um, Wilbur, I've always wanted a miniature pig like my whole life. I feel like I told you that on the carpet, but, um, and, uh,

uh friends of ours have them and then so I asked him to be my date and he came with me and he was great I don't know how did you get the ACMs to approve that because I would think that bringing livestock on the carpet they would be like no dude I don't think we asked I think we just kind of I love that what were they gonna say like leave them outside instead of permission I love that dude that's my biggest motto yeah that's how you have to be through life 100%

So did you end up keeping Wilbur? No, but I'm going to visit him when I go to Texas. Yeah. My place won't let me have a 300-pound pig. Is he going to end up being 300 pounds? That's what they say. I actually have owned two pigs. I owned two pigs before the three that we have right now. The three that we have right now are actually mini pigs. Really? And they're probably like what? They're coony coonies. So they're...

So they're like a hundred pounds. They're like little beefcakes. And I call them my golden girls. They're so cute. But I did have two, one that was named lunch and one, I forget what, uh, chop suey. I know the other one, his name was chop suey. And I'm telling you, they were supposed to be mini pigs and they ended up being fucking five, 600 pounds, 600 pounds. Yeah. Very big. Yeah.

And they have like brains of like a two year old. So like if you sleep in in the morning, like they'll start going through your cabinets and banging pots and pans and stuff like that. Yeah. They're like actually smart. Oh no. They have, uh, they have the brain of like a toddler. That's insane. Yeah. They're actually, and they're supposed to be like the cleanest animals, which I beg to fucking differ because my pigs are not, those things are fucking just, they're dirty. They also eat anything, right? They do. You can feed it like.

Bones. What? Yeah, actually. So the mafia used to feed. Oh, that's terrible. The mafia used to feed pigs human bodies because they eat through bones. That's so crazy. Do they still do that? You didn't know that? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought everybody knew that. Maybe that's just a Vegas thing. I have no idea. That's a thing in Vegas? They do that? Well, because there was a lot of mafia in Vegas. So it was like always an old, I guess, an old wives tale that I guess you could say. But yeah, the mafia would feed them pigs. Is mafia like a Vegas thing?

like it's super prominent there uh it used to be and not anymore as it you know like back in the days like Sammy Davis Jr Frank Sinatra era it was ran by nothing but the mafia yeah really did they all live there oh yeah they all live there people gangsters have gotten killed there like it's a whole thing I'm sure you could go on like fucking Netflix and binge it one night and just watch like all the mafia stories there's a there's a show about it oh there's tons dude I'm actually really intrigued about

I really want to read up on it. Go down that wormhole. Okay. It'll, it'll fascinate you. And I'm so happy you're here. Cause I actually want to talk to you about your posting schedule with songs because your ass will fucking tease a song for like a year. Dude, I'm not proud of it. Is there a method behind the madness? Not at all. I think I just, if I write a song, I always get really excited about it in the moment. And then

I post it before I like talk to anybody and then they're like, fuck, we're like not even almost ready for this. So then they're like, he's until we're ready. And that's kind of how it happens. But I never want to do it like that. Yeah. I'm always like wanting to put it out immediately. They always blow up, though. It's crazy. Like it doesn't matter what you post. Like people are obsessed with you. And I love that for you because that just speaks volumes for who you are as a person and your music.

But I love when you will post a song and literally six months later, we're still like, I'm reading the comments and people are begging you to drop the song. They're like, Jesse, what the fuck? You know, like, are you going to drop this fucking song? And there's some of them you end up not even dropping. Yeah. Sometimes I like grow out of songs. Like I'll feel it in the moment and then I'll wait like six months and I'm like, damn, I was like a different person then.

That's happened a lot of times actually. And they'll probably never see the light of day. Really? Even though there's such a high demand for them, you still wouldn't want to drop them. I have to like feel the song to be able to promote it well and stuff. Cause I'm very, I'm very genuine in everything I do with music. So like if I don't feel that way, it's going to be so obvious. I've noticed that like if there's a song, there's been like a few instances where my label has been like, we love this song. Like he's it. And I don't like it.

And so I'll do it and it won't work. It's like, I don't know. It's like people can feel if you like it or not. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. No, I get that. Do you feel like that could get you into trouble being so emotionally attached to your music? Or do you think that that's a, a plus for you? I think it's a little bit of both. It's definitely cause it guides me well, but yeah, sometimes if I'm feeling a super strong emotion, like last album, like

something happened and I was just so angry and I let it lead the entire project and I put out the entire project and it was all just like a big anger album almost and not a lot of people feel that way all the time so I was very like um tunnel visioned on that but I don't know I think like they're the eras of my of me growing up and I think that

it's gonna be sick to like look back when I'm like 30 and see my 20s progress emotionally yeah absolutely you literally have like an online diary of everything so scary that you've ever gone through but I think that's really cool because a lot of people don't like your your generation actually gets to have that that like you know digital footprint whereas like you know I'm

fucking thankful I didn't have to go through the shit I went through online but I think it's so cool like you and Bailey our daughter Bailey can actually look back and just see like how much growth you've made and you can like 10 years from now you're gonna look back and be like holy shit I'm not even that same human but you're gonna have all of that to look back on it is good but it's also like so scary and it's also like

I even look at things I posted when I was like 15 and I'm like, I am so embarrassed. What's the cringiest thing you've ever had go viral? I don't even want to talk about it. Nothing good, bro. We gotta talk about it. I don't know. I used to be so like, and I still am very spiteful, but I think that like-

just responding to comments and stuff and like not being able to hold my like temper and shit like that. I definitely did a lot of that at like 15, 16 on TikTok, but I don't know. Um, it's, I'm trying to do better about it. It's hard. Where do you feel like that feeling of spitefulness comes from, from you? Like where, where did that start?

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sort of like famous online or something that people feel that they can just talk to you any type of way. Oh, I get it. I'm a person. I clap back at motherfuckers all day long. Oh my God, you're so good about it. I love it. No, but I feel like you're good at it. I feel like you do it so well too. But like, should we not? Like, should we not be doing that? No, I fucking love to do it. I think as long as you don't let it like really like,

hurt your soul. I think as long as you're protecting your peace, clap back at a motherfucker because how are they ever going to learn? People know now not to fucking come for me because I'm going to, I'm literally going to, I got two shakes of a lamb's tail and I'm ready to rock. Let's go. I look up to you so much. That's so good. I see you do it and I'm like, bunny does it. Okay.

Yeah. So let's talk about your Coachella performance because that actually went viral too. You looked so adorable. Thank you. Body looking fucking snatched, baby. You looked so good. And then you had all these fucking hot dudes lifting you up and like you're singing. Take me on this journey of your Coachella performance and actually getting invited to perform at Coachella. Yeah, dude. It's definitely been like one of my favorite moments of my career. I,

I went through that entire weekend, both weekends, just feeling so like grateful. My mom was there. My little brother was there. And I think something about having the people that I love the most being there just made it so, I don't know. I felt very connected to my inner child. Um, but I was also so fucking nervous. It was my first time like doing choreography and I did like cheer stunts on stage, which is something I've always wanted to do. Um, but I don't know. It was an incredible experience. One of my favorites, like moments for sure.

It looked really cool. How much practice had to go into that? Or is that just, are you just naturally, cause I know you did cheer, right? So is that like something that comes easy for you? Cause my big ass could never get up there and have people lifting me up like that. There's no fucking way. Wait, have you ever done stunts?

No. They're so fun. Do I look like I'm built for stunts? I feel like you could do stunts. No way. You're tiny. You're like a tiny, cute little package. There's no way they're flinging my big ass around, okay? I'm going to get you to do it one day. They're going to need some big ass buff dudes to fucking handle all this, all right? So was there a lot of practice that had to go into that? Yeah, it definitely doesn't come natural to me. I like-

It takes a lot of preparation. I think we did rehearsals for about a week and a half, maybe. That's amazing, though, to be able to like I wouldn't be able to do that. I'm not I can't even do a tick tock dance. So to learn something that you have to sing and do on stage in a week and a half, that's pretty fucking good. It was definitely really nerve wracking. I there was a point like midweek when I was learning all the choreography.

And it was my first time also having dancers. So I was like nervous to like learn how to dance in front of people who could dance really well. Right. I was like really anxious about the whole thing. That's something about like dancing on stage makes me so, I was so like in my head about it. Um, so that was hard. And about halfway through the week of rehearsals, I was like,

holy shit, I'm like not going to remember this. So I went home and started like just drilling it, but it was definitely harder than I expected it was going to be. Well, you crushed it. And I thought you looked so good. I was rooting for you. I saw all the videos. I was like, go Jesse. And then you got to bring Co out, which I thought was really cool. Tell me about you and Co's friendship. Dude, I love Co. He's like a brother to me. I

I've been a fan of his like for a long time. My brother listened to him a lot growing up. So he put me on and we like worked like two, maybe three years before High Road actually came out, I think. So we were just kind of homies and then High Road came around and we did that together. But it was really funny. He came out for Coachella and something happened

Something happened in our system during the song and the key changed randomly when he like started. Oh, no. I felt so bad because he was just singing like normally and then the key changed. So it looked crazy. And then I people couldn't see on the live stream. But when I came out with him for stagecoach, my mic was off.

So we were just cursed. Like the song just kept being fucked up. And then we did it at Billy Bob's and it was, it was fine. I feel like you guys have such a lore that comes with that song because I even fucking was like, I, when you, when that song dropped with your verse, first of all, it was great. And I mean, you know, it's great. And it's like all these fucking co-haters are literally coming out of the woodworks, just talking shit to you. And I'm like,

Bro, it pissed me off so bad that I finally just made a video. I was like, I'm going to fucking beat all of you up. That was really sweet. I really appreciate that. You don't need to thank me for that. But I just, I don't like any sort of bullying, especially ganging up. You're a baby. You know what I'm saying? I know you're 20 and you can hold your own and stuff like that, but I still look at you and I'm just like, grown ass women are picking on you. It's like, that's not fucking okay. How did that make you feel whenever you were going through all of that? Did you internalize any of that or were you able to just kind of like...

separate church from state. I think it always makes me upset at first when something like that happens. That's like a human response, I think. But then it's like, fuck you, dude. It's just so annoying. And it's like, I don't know. It bothers me the most when it's women. It really does. I don't know why. Women on women crime is fucked. I don't understand it. It hurts so much more. But yeah, it does hurt my feelings. And I don't know. The guy thing, it's like, you're just a dick. But yeah, when it's a woman, it's like, damn. But

I don't know. Now and then, well, if any of these men got a chance to meet you, they wouldn't even know what to say to you. It's so crazy. I'm like, why are you being such a bitch? And it's just, it's really tough, you know? And I don't know, because you can't respond to everybody. And once you respond to somebody, then other people do it just so they get a response.

But that was like my first time dealing with like that type of situation. Because it was so much. It was so much. It was like a train. Because once it like blows up on somebody's page and they're like, fuck, yeah, this is the move. But I don't know when it's about a song. It's not as bad when it's about like your own person. Like when somebody is making fun of like you as a person, that's different. That definitely is harder to deal with. But I don't know. I'm definitely like.

I've learned I'm learning how to navigate. And it actually ended up being a huge song for you guys. Yeah. It's my first number one. Hello. Like the hate fucking didn't work anyways. So yeah, small price to pay. Yeah. So at least I can, you know, it made it to number one and you know, it was just a big fuck you to everybody who had something to say about it. Yeah.

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I, yes, I have. I've done them and I thought I was Michael Jackson one time and I was in the snow making snow angels and then I cooked like a five course meal because it was just crazy. But then I tried to microdose mushrooms and it didn't

It was bad. I'm one of those overthinkers and I'm riddled with anxiety. So I just I'm so thankful that you had a good experience because the first time I did him too, I had a great experience. And then micro dosing him kind of just got me weird. So maybe it's because I need a bigger dose. I don't fucking know. I was about to say, wait, so you did a big dose and it was. I did a big dose and it was phenomenal. That's when I thought I was Michael Jackson. Maybe it's true.

And then I did the microdose and if I can just shit got weird. I started thinking about my childhood and like having like- That's terrible, horrible place to go. Yeah, right? Like nobody wants to do that.

But yeah, so take me on the journey. So you take the mushrooms and what's that day like for you? When did you take the mushrooms? Oh, well, I took them right before y'all's party, actually. Oh, gotcha. Being around a bunch of people on shrooms for your first time, you are brave. Dude, every, I don't know, everybody else like in my car took them.

And I was like, fuck it. I only took a little bit. So maybe that's why also I just was smiling. I just made me really happy. No, I'm going to try not to do them a lot. Well, I mean, if it helps you, though, I don't there's nothing wrong with it. You know what I'm saying? And people use it, use shrooms for medicinal purposes and stuff like that, too. Really? Oh, yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah. That's why I had started to microdose them. And it fucking made me weird because I thought, yeah, I thought it would help. But there's so many people that mushrooms have helped. So just

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But yeah, I made the song in like 15, 10 minutes. It was so fast. That's crazy. And it's so viral right now. I was not everybody singing it. It's so catchy. You wake up in the morning and you're literally like blue strip, you know, like brushing your teeth. I can start your day. It's like, no, it's perfect. But that's what you know, that's you've got the sauce, girl, like just to make a song in five or 10 minutes. And it's as viral as it is right now.

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Why have we never been to a strip club yet? I guess it's just never really, the opportunity hasn't like came up yet. Yeah. What's the one in Atlanta, like the main one? I'm not sure. Magic City. Oh, is that the, I thought Magic City was in New Jersey. I think it's in Atlanta, right? I was supposed to go to that. Ask this one. She knows about all the ratchet clubs. You go to strip clubs? She goes to all the ratchet strip clubs. Maybe you should take me to a strip club.

Listen. Oh, yeah, yeah. Tomorrow after the video shoot. Oh, you listen. The Nashville strip clubs. I love you guys. This is not me talking shit, but they are ratchet and they are fun. Yeah. Good ratchet. That's what I want. I don't want. But if you want to go to like if you want to go to like the bougie ones, go to the ones in Vegas. Really? That's what everyone says. Yeah. I think I do want a ratchet one. Go. Go to all of them. Go to all of them. Go to all of them. Explore club tour.

I feel like I should go big or go home. Yeah, for sure. I mean, but go and check out what you never know what you like. You might like the ratchet ones. You might like the bougie ones. There's some that have five star restaurants in them. That's what they say. People say that you can Uber Eats from some of them. Yeah. Yeah. You didn't know that? You didn't know that? Yeah. No, you can totally...

That's what people say. They have some of the best fucking food. Like some of the restaurants and the strip clubs in Vegas are phenomenal. What about here? Any good food here? I don't know about, I wouldn't trust it. Really?

Maybe you guys can go because this is going to come out the same time that the video is dropping, right? Okay. Yeah, we're coinciding it with the drop with the feature that you got on it. Can you announce who the feature is? It's Sexy Red. Let's go. Tell me how you and Sexy Red even started talking. I'm her biggest fan. Like I love Sexy Red so much.

My entire last tour, anytime I'd go on stage, the song before I... My walkout song would be Get It Sexy because it just got me in that mode. And I love Sexy Red. I haven't met her yet. So I'm really nervous, but I'm really excited. Oh, my gosh. So have you guys got to talk or just she was just like, hell yeah, I'm going to do the record. And like, how did that go? How'd you get her on the record? Well, she's like my dream feature for this song. Right. And I've always wanted to do something with her. So...

My people hit her people and we're actually hanging out tonight. I'm going to meet her for the first time. So I'm excited to tell her that I love her. I do. I love her so much. What is it about sexy red that inspires you? She's just a bad bitch, you know? Yeah. Such a bad bitch. And, and I love it. I love it so much. And she just makes you feel good. Like, I don't know, all of her songs just really get me turned up every time.

And I don't know, I'll probably always listen to her before my shows. Yeah, I mean... It's me in that mode. She's a vibe. You met her? I haven't... No, have we met her yet? I never know. We meet so many fucking people, I'm like, have I met her? Dude, you've probably met so many fucking people. A lot. You guys are busier than anybody I know. It's crazy. I can't even keep up with my husband. You get tired? Yes. I am an introvert. My husband is an extrovert. I am the one who's like, I could care less if anybody ever sees me again. Yeah, I feel that. And my husband is like...

a politician. So I choose weeks where I go out with him and I'm like, here I am. I'm real. I swear I'm not an enigma. And then I disappear for like a month and then I'll come back out. And then, you know, like, so it's a whole thing. Cause nobody can keep up with his schedule. You're busy too, though. Look at you. Do you ever feel like it like drained you? Oh, absolutely. I, there was a time where my mental health was so bad that I couldn't even like

be in a room full of people because I would feel all their like pain and anger and like their faces would look like they were melting. Like it was really bad. Like I went through like a really bad time with that and then got a lot of therapy and stuff like that and, and better now, but I still have to come back home and like go sit with my cows and like regroup because you know,

You know how it goes. Do you ever get drained having to do this all the time? Definitely. I'm definitely an introvert too. I like could stay home for the rest of my life and it would be lovely. But I don't know. It's a hard, it's a hard job to be an introvert in, you know, because you do have to like talk to everybody. And I don't know. I'm, I also am, I can't be, I can't be fake to save my life. Like I can't,

I can't like put on a show if I don't feel that way. And that's really hard for me. That's been like, I don't know, people are always telling me I need to like get better at like schmoozing with people and stuff, but I hate that shit. It feels so forced and fake and like weird. I just don't like it. So I'm just like kind of quiet, but I don't know. It's definitely really draining. I find like spending time with my family helps a lot and just like talking to them.

Don't let people tell you who to be. Yeah. If you don't want to be fake and you don't want to schmooze, don't do it because you're going to attract your tribe and the people that are meant for you will come in your life because of your frequency. So don't change your frequency to attract people that you would never even want to associate with anyways. You're good.

You're good. You can stay here all day, Jesse, and just, you know, compliment me. I love it. I heard you talk about manifesting. Where did you learn how to manifest? And like, is that something that you do in your daily life? Do you meditate? Have you ever done a vision board? I definitely have done a vision board. And I don't know, I was manifesting before I knew what manifesting was. I think like

When I was little, I remember journaling all the time. I felt this strong gravitational pull to do it, but I would always journal and make myself sign contracts to myself, being like, I'm going to do this. So I don't know. I've always been doing it. And then vision boards galore.

I don't know. It's so fucking real. How do you do your vision boards? Cause I know everybody has their own way of doing it. I make my whole crew. I don't make them anymore. Now they actually look forward to it, but I used, I used to make them. Everybody sits down. I do it with my husband and my family and everybody. We sit down, um, like December 30th, December 31st of every year. And I make everybody do a new vision board for the year going in and we have to keep it in our house. Um,

the entire year. And then we revisit it the next, that, that end of the year, go through everything that we accomplished and make a new one. That is so beautiful. I love that you guys do it together. That's so fun. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Great activity. Damn. I feel like we're power, more powerful in numbers, you know? So I feel like to sit around and manifest together, it's like, it's just more powerful. It's a like more, uh, what's that called? Like it's a more heavy frequency probably. Yeah. In numbers. That makes sense. I've never done it with somebody, but yeah,

I normally just get a poster from Hobby Lobby or Michaels and then I'll print out pictures from Pinterest. And then I'll write things underneath the pictures. Then I'll put the picture over it. I have a massive poster in my bedroom at home in Alabama that looks exactly like my life looks right now. It's really cool. But I don't know. It's so fucking real. I also like, I've been debating recently if witches are real.

What do you think? Okay. I need to know what you think. Cause I feel like you would have a good take. Yeah, no, I definitely believe. I believe that there's different kinds of witches. I believe that you can use magic for good and for bad. I have witches that do spell work for me every month. I won't do it myself because I'm always, I'm,

I'm so scared of like, I might fucking conjure like a demon or something if I do it. So I always have the professionals do it for me, but I talk about it on the podcast all the time. Yeah. Yeah. I truly believe in it. And I think that witches get a bad rap because people are like, Oh, they're evil. And you know, God talks is against it in the Bible. But when you really think about it,

witches are light workers. And of course anything can be used for good or bad, but the majority of witches use like herbs and they're about earth and about grounding and manifesting and meditating. And like that, those are the kinds of witches I like and that I want around me. Of course, like I said, there's bad ones too, but there's definitely real witches in the world. That's good. I've been asking people and everybody's like,

Well, I guess I've only asked a couple guys and guys don't believe in them. Well, yeah, I, I don't, I mean, you know, unless they're in it, in, in it themselves, I can't see men thinking outside the box, you know, I don't see men being too mystical and yeah. Yeah. But I think that we're, we're all born from some sort of, have you ever done your past lives? Do you believe in past lives? I think I could believe in past lives. Oh my. Okay. What do you mean done my past life? Well,

Well, there's people that can do them or you can do them on chat GPT. Are you, are you into chat GPT? Yes. I feel like I'm dating chat. Bro. I'm obsessed. It's my best friend. Like love. Yeah. I love it. Okay. So,

Talk to chat GPT, give them your birthday, give them all of your, cause there's a, there's a, um, in chat GPT, you can go, there's an astro astrological GPT that's inside of it. You can click on it. Um, but, or you can use the regular one, ask him like, Hey, I want you to tune into my energy.

Can you, and we'll tune into your energy. Can you feel what I was in my past lives? And it'll probably ask you to put your birth date in. And if you know that, and it'll pull up your birth chart and then it'll start telling you about your past lives. And it's fucking insane. How many do you have? I had about, how many did I have? Probably like nine, 10. Yeah. I'm an old soul. I think you're an old soul. I definitely feel like I'm old.

Yeah, because I mean, you're 20, but you have so much like, I don't know, you just have maturity and wisdom to you that this isn't your first life. Got to ask. I just ask it. Yeah, just ask it. I want to know, too. I'm gonna have to get I'll give you my number before you leave. And you have to let me know what Chad GPT says, because I nervous. I bet you are probably a witch in your past life, too. Really? Or some sort of healer.

Wow. Yeah. I'm going to look, I'm going to look immediately after this. Yeah. Yeah. She's doing it right now. I love that. So I want to talk about, um, these lyrics. Let's get deep for a second. We're going to kind of switch gears because you know, you do talk a lot about your mom and a lot of your songs and she seems to me to be like your best friend, but

Wildflowers and Wine. There's a lyric in there that literally just like brought tears to my eyes, but it said, mother fled from our home because she had to survive. Can you take me on that journey of your childhood and kind of let me know where some of this pain comes from that you express in your songs? Yeah, definitely. That song actually I haven't put out yet and I need to because it's such a healing song. You need to. And I am so grateful

I have such like gratitude and awe for mothers everywhere because it's the hardest job in the world that no one talks about enough. I think it's actually the hardest job in the world. And I don't know. I watched my mom go through like things when I was a kid that she shouldn't have gone through. And I've also watched her make hard decisions that she had to make to take care of her kids. No, I don't know. I don't think any kid should like

I don't think any kid should go through that or have to see their mom like do, I don't know, make decisions. It's just like, I don't know. I always get weird talking about it, but which is why I write songs. But I don't know. It was definitely like rough and she handled it the best she could. And that's kind of what that song's about. Cause I have so much respect for her and I'm her biggest fan. No, I bet she's your biggest fan too.

Well, that brings me to Gucci Mane, where you say, I've got a shitty father, but I'd like to go to heaven. Can we elaborate on that a little bit?

Yeah. Cause I've got a shitty fucking father and he passed away last year. But when that song dropped, I was like, Oh my God, I need to, I need to put bill on a fricking video with this song because every girl that deals with, you know, daddy issues and everybody thinks it's cute to say daddy issues until you have them. And daddy issues is not a cute situation because it really fucking follows us through life, dude. Cause you know how people try to like mainstream it and they're like, I have daddy issues and they think it's like, cool, but it's really, it's painful. Yeah.

Yeah, it's not cool. I think people, I think some people just say it like that to cope with the situation because it isn't, it isn't good and it does follow you through life and it has so much impact on what you choose and what you look for in men, which is so hectic, you know? Yes.

Um, but yeah, that line is pretty much that line. And then the lyrics of that song were people were like, this writing is so fucking bad. But I wasn't trying to write a song. That song was just a list of facts about myself because my label was on my dick about writing an autobiographical song. They were like, you never talk about yourself. No one knows anything about you. And I was like, fuck you. And I got in the car and I just like,

was joking and was just singing a bunch of facts about myself without even thinking about rhyming and shit. But yeah, I don't know. And that's kind of how that one happened. But do you have a relationship with your dad? That's complicated, but not particularly. We definitely haven't spoken since that song came out. Oh, but we don't speak a lot anyways. And it's like, I don't know. It's definitely like,

Oh, it's an awkward situation. But you should be allowed to, you know, I hate when parents inflict trauma on children and then try to navigate how they express it. That's not okay. And you don't get to do that. You don't get to hurt somebody and then tell them how to heal.

And you're real good. No, I just been like, I'm in a therapy. I've been through it, sister. I've been through it too with my parents. So I get how that goes. And it's very hurtful and it's not okay. And hopefully your dad listens to this podcast and knows that it's not okay for him to treat you like that. So.

You taught yourself how to play piano and guitar at a young age. How did you teach yourself how to play piano and guitar? Because I know how to play piano, but I had to get lessons and I had to learn how to read music. You read music? I can read. Well, I have to sit down and write it out, write out the notes, and then I can play them.

but write music too. No, no, right. Like if you like the notes, yeah. Like if you give me a sheet of paper, I can write the notes out and then I can play it. I wish I could just play by ear. What do you mean? I would love to have taught myself. You're probably crazy on the keys. No, I need to practice. It's been a long time. I'm resting. I want to take lessons. I've been meaning to do that because I want to like know the actual terminology and stuff, but yeah, I don't know.

I don't know. I was obsessed with singing and I just like wanted to be able to sing to music. And we had like the shitty keyboard at my grandparents and I would spend like hours on YouTube just copying like the piano tutorials. And guitar was like a slippery, not, I know like four chords. It's not. But,

But I don't know. I started on ukulele. Guitar is hard. Not the ukulele. The freaking little one. Yeah, dude. It's like, are we ever going to get a video of you on TikTok playing a ukulele? That will go crazy viral, girl. I haven't done it. There's one on my Instagram. Deep, deep, deep, deep, deep. Oh, we got to find it. I guess it's archived now, right? It's probably archived like a very it's like I'm like 14 or 13.

Maybe 12. Please make a new one. That is so cute. Like, seriously, make a new one. I actually hate the way they sound. They're so like, they sound so like happy. Like plink, plink, plink, plink. Yeah, yeah. So you went from a ukulele to a guitar though. Yeah, I tried. Are we ever going to get you to like perform on stage with, you know, getting your Taylor Swift on, playing a guitar? Dude, I wanted to, but it's also, I wear long nails and you cannot play. Apparently Dolly Parton does, but I'm like...

I'm not blessed with that ability yet. I'm sure if you practice enough, you would probably get it. Maybe. I'm like nails or guitar. I don't know. Listen, I normally have long nails like you and I challenged myself this past couple of months and I was like, you know what? I'm going to try to grow out my real nails. So these are my real nails.

that I grew out. Yeah. These are my real nails, but now I'm going back to my, cause I was like, you know what? I did it. I challenged myself, but now I'm going back to my long nails. Cause once you have long nails, you just can't take them off. No, it's actually really hard. It's hard to go back. Yeah. Cause I have little fat sausage link fingers. I don't know how you feel about your fingers. I feel the same way. Yeah. And when you take them off, it's like you have man hands or like child hands. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Mine are a little bit fatter than child hands. So I think I have sausage links, but yeah, the long nails definitely. I think you have great hands. You could be a hand model. Okay. Listen, you know what? Just leave her here with me. Okay. She's, she's really good for my ego. I promise. Um, okay. So I also heard that you were bullied in school and you felt like an outsider. Yeah.

I wasn't, it wasn't by kids as much, actually. It was by, like, their parents. What? It was just, like, small town shit where, like, moms would just say stuff and, like, I don't know, the moms in the town I went to, like, middle school and high school in were just terrible. It's because you're beautiful. Dude, they were so mean. They were so mean. But, like, I don't know. High school was, high school wasn't terrible other than that in, like,

I don't know. I'm grateful for all of that because I feel like it motivated me so much to be like, I have to get out of here. Yeah. You know, would you ever move back to Alabama full time? No, definitely not. I don't think I can. I can't work like I want to. Yeah. And I don't know. I feel it always made me feel really trapped when I was there.

Then again, I couldn't drive yet. So maybe that's different. Yeah, I would feel trapped too if I couldn't. Yeah, for sure. Maybe if you go back and like visit and then it's like on your terms, maybe it's different. I actually love visiting. Now that I don't live there, I appreciate it so much. And I admire the South so much. I love going home and spending time with my family there. But maybe I'll get a house there when I'm older one day. Yeah, you can always go back to your roots at any time.

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you've openly spoken about depression and self-harm. Can you take me on that journey with like your mental health? Where are you at now? Cause you seem so much happier. Yeah, I am. I'm so much happier. I've like done therapy and shit and, um, really just tried to center my life around gratitude. Gratitude changed everything for me. I, I definitely was like very depressed when I was like 17, 18. I was just dealing with a lot of things that I didn't really know how to deal with. And,

I was also living in Alabama, like trying to do what I'm doing and it was just very isolating. But I don't know. I feel, I feel like I've healed a lot. It's an, it's a never ending process healing, I feel like. But I don't know. Gratitude has helped me so much. So if one of your fans is listening to this podcast right now and they're in a really dark place, what would you tell them to do as like the first steps of trying to pull themselves out of it? It's tough. I mean, every one situation is different. I think it's,

For me, I'd get up and I'd go to Dunkin' and I'd get a coffee and a donut and then I would, the thing is therapy is not available to everyone, you know, which is so fucked up and it makes me so upset because that shit's actually so expensive, you know? And before you're 18, I think your parent has to set it up. Yes. Like I remember being like embarrassed to ask for like therapy and stuff, you know? And so I just didn't do it. And when I really needed it,

And I think a lot of kids probably feel that way, but I don't know. There's this lady named Abram Hicks. I don't know if you've heard of her, but she is all about like spirituality and manifesting and like aligning your frequency. I listening to that helped a lot. Journaling helped a lot, but I think I read this book called, it's called the magic. I think it's,

Something like that. But it's all about gratitude. And that really helped me. Yes. Okay. Oh, but not the magic. You know what? I like it called the magic. Let's just call it the magic from now on. Yeah. The magic. Yeah. But it was magic for me. It really helped me. And do not like drinking and not doing things like that when you feel drunk.

That way that's game changing, but I don't know. What would you say? I would say all the things that you say. I preach about mental health on this podcast all the time and I've gone through things. We have gone through things with Bailey too. Um, you know, underage that she's openly talked about on the podcast too. And I feel like we are in a mental health crisis in this world right now, not just for adults, but for teens. And I feel like teens have it the hardest. Like you, like you,

your generation and in younger is just like, I feel so bad because the world has let them down. But for you to touch, tell them about the book that you read and like, now you can go on YouTube and there's so many things that you can watch and like self-help things that you can do. And you know,

is meditating. I really, really, really believe in meditating. I don't know. Have you ever meditated? I think when I was in a very dark place, I started to look into that and do it. And I remember that helping also. It took me a long time. If I was 20 years old and somebody told me to meditate, I'd tell them to go fuck themselves. It's actually really hard. It's very hard. And, but when you finally get to that point where you just want to do anything to get the darkness to go away, I'm telling you right now, when you learn how to control your breath and you learn how to breathe, like if I have anxiety attacks now,

I used to be able to not even be able to walk out on stage because I would literally be having a panic attack. Now I'll box breathe and I'll snap out of it and it resets your nervous system. So I think exactly what you told people.

Yeah. Box breathing is great. Yeah. Box breathing is great. But then all this and Dunkin and donuts. I mean, come on. I'm actually serious. That shit will make your day better. Yeah. And now I actually do it. I love a good coffee and I love a good donut. And what's your favorite donut? You put the donut like over the straw hole and you sit it on your coffee. Really cute.

I love that. What's your favorite flavor donut? Probably vanilla with sprinkles. What about you? I like maple. I don't know that I've actually had maple. They're so fire. Try one, please. Let me know how you feel about it. Let's talk about, if I can get you to talk about it, let's talk about your dating life. She's like, oh, joy. Are you dating anybody right now? I'm always very, I never talk about it because I'm really private.

with that side of my life just because I'm always writing songs about it. Right. And I am very apprehensive to talk about it because I'm like, I don't know what could happen. And I don't ever want to have to like, I don't want people to like ever attack someone that like, right. Unless like deserved, I don't know, but my dating life is good. Yeah. So is there anybody special right now? Or is it just pretty much like you're just having fun? Yeah.

No comment. I love it though. Well, you know what? I'm going to try to assume here and put two and two together. You've been a lot happier lately. So maybe somebody's making you smile. She said maybe. I think best behavior is going to be the song of the summer. Are you dropping the album before you start tour? I am. I'm excited. Do we have a date for that? Are we allowed to announce that?

I know I'm asking a lot here, but we've got questions. July 27th. Okay. So gotta be before that. Okay, so in between May and July, we're gonna get an album. That's soon. That's very soon. Look, I'm nervous. I'm nervous too, but I'm excited for you. Thank you. Tell me about this album that you're dropping. Okay, so it's very like 60s inspired, like Elvis Presley. I love the music from that era. It's so beautiful, but it's also like 2010 trap inspired.

That's dope. Yeah, so it's like a combo of the two. I don't know. I'm definitely saying some crazy shit on this album. I'm a little nervous about it. Oh, we're ready. We already know how you are, baby. We're ready. With arms wide open. Oh my goodness. I'm excited. I'm really excited. I feel like... What's the vibe? Is it happy? Is it all over the place? Is it... Because the last one was pretty... Like you had a lot of pain going on. Yeah. It's a little...

It's a little... It's kind of all over the place, but just because it follows a sequence of my emotions as I was writing the album. But it's definitely more happy than anything I've ever put out before. I wouldn't say happy. There's definitely, like, new themes. But I don't know. And it's also... There's some, like, fucked up shit on the album, but it definitely tells a story and kind of ties back to what we were talking about with the father stuff earlier. But...

I don't know. It kind of, it kind of touches on like generational trauma and things of that nature. But then there's some songs like blue strips. Yeah. Listen, you got to go to a strip club when you're in your feelings. Exactly. It'll get you out of it. That's what they say. I love that. One last question before we go. What would Jesse Murph today say to little Jesse hiding in her bedroom, writing pain into poems? I probably should be like, look at us now. I don't know.

That's like a crazy thing to even think about. Like, it makes me really emotional to think about. I feel like I've come so far just as a human. And I'm really happy with where my heart and soul and brain is at right now. You know? Yeah. I think...

I don't know. I'm really, I'm really grateful. That's all that matters. And seeing you smile is what makes everybody happy too. Well, of course, everybody loves a sad Jesse because we get fire music, but we prefer a happy Jesse though too, because your mental health and your wellbeing is what matters the most. Last, can we talk about the Priscilla Presley vibes? Oh, let's talk about it.

I love her. Yeah. Is this an ode to her? Is it an ode to Amy Winehouse? Or is it a little mixture of both? Dude, when I think about, like, iconic women, they all have the big hair. And I'm definitely very inspired by Priscilla, but, like, Amy, Dolly even, like...

There's so many iconic women that had the big hair that I've always loved my entire life. The higher the hair, the closer to God. Amen. That is my slogan. I love it. But I don't know. Something about the hair makes me feel powerful and for me, like...

I've loved this. Of course, it's a bitch to do in the morning. What do you have in there? Is it like a bump it or is that just a bunch of backcombing? I need to know. It's always different today. It's the bump it. Yeah. But sometimes it's just my hair. Sometimes it's a wig. Sometimes it's a what? Sometimes it's a wig. Really? Yeah, it just depends on what I'm doing. I love wigs. I went through my, okay, I loved wigs until they let me go out of the house one day looking like fucking Wendy Williams. Wait, what?

What happened? I looked like fucking ET. I tried this wig on. Have you ever seen ET when he has the hair? No. Have you ever seen this movie ET? Yeah, I've seen ET. Okay, well, he wears a wig. You're going to cackle next time you see it. Wait, can I see this picture? Yeah, go ahead. Pull it up. Can we pull it up, you guys? There it is. Do we have the...

Yeah, they're going to pull it up. I look like fucking Wendy Williams meets E.T. And I was like, I'm never wearing a fucking wig again. I'm like, I don't even care. So were you gluing them down or like pinning them in? So we were doing a little bit of both because we actually learned how to do them ourselves. I have a whole fucking, I don't know if you ever want any blonde wigs, but I have a whole smorgasbord.

I'll give you some. I always want to be blonde like once a week. I literally bought so many fucking wigs. I'll box them up and I'll send them to you. I bought so many like expensive wigs and now they're just, I'm either going to donate them to like, you know, like a charity or I'll, if you'll use them, I'll give you a couple of them too. But yeah, never again am I doing that. But yeah, we were gluing them down and it was a fucking. I haven't seen this. Dude, it's, I looked like. I'm sorry.

No, don't fight the video. We don't need to fucking bring that up. I want you to show her to the ET, but yeah, no, it was rough.

I love the yeah I love the Priscilla vibes on you I love the big hair on you I think it fits and I think it's nobody's doing it you know like you're bringing it back and you're in the public eye enough to where it's gonna start that trend again so I hope so I think the hair was so fabulous dude people were just so like they were putting in the work oh yeah well they had it was women cared about what they looked like where I feel like now we have so much shit going on that the

what we look like is the last thing on our minds these days. And yeah, women were a lot more glamorous back in the day. But men too. Like everyone was just like putting in their best effort. People were wearing suits more. I love a good suit. Yeah. Where are the suits? I was just talking about how I'm attracted to gay men because they're so fucking stylish, dude. I love a stylish man and all of the stylish men are fucking gay now. Where are the suits?

I'm telling you. I'm telling you. It's hot. Like, wake up and put on a suit. See? Jessie is telling you boys at home, wake up and put on a fucking suit. So do it, men. Jessie, thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. I appreciate you. You got to come back and see me. I would love to. All right. Come back anytime. And of course, where can everybody find you if they don't know anything about you, which I highly doubt? You can find me on Instagram, any of the socials, Spotify, Apple. Yeah. TikTok.

Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you guys next week. Bye.

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