2 Genocides the Media Is Ignoring | Guests: Kelsey Grammer & Andrew McCarthy | 5/22/25
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The plans, I think, of what the Democrats are doing, that's going to tie into what happened yesterday in Washington, D.C., where a free Palestine Marxist killed two Jews.

I don't know. We can't decide what genocide is. We're going to start with South Africa, what happened in the White House in 60 seconds. First, let me tell you about our sponsor this half hour. Our sponsor is realestateagentsitrust.com. You want to know one of the most expensive mistakes you can ever make? Buying or selling a house with a wrong real estate agent.

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Let other people take the risk in the private sector. Amen. Now, I watched the president yesterday in the Oval Office, and I got to tell you, this guy's the goat. I want you to think one thing. We have been trying to find out the truth on what's happening in South Africa. Is there a genocide going on? Well, the first thing that I would tell you, we did a report on this in May 2017.

May 2021, somewhere in that. And...

We had some evidence that there is some sort of genocide, if you will. Let's explain that first. Genocide to me is not six million Jews. Genocide is a stated purpose of getting rid of any class, any kind of person, any group of people. That's a genocide. We want to wipe you out. Yesterday, a genocide was furthered in Washington, D.C., when they shot the two Jews on the street.

Why is that a genocide? It was only two. Because the people who do it are claiming they want to do it to all Jews. So I think genocide is kind of a mindset. You genocidal maniac. It's a mindset. It's not a number.

All right, so we believe that there is, based on that interpretation, that there is a genocide going on. And I'm going to talk to you next hour about how that, what you're seeing in South Africa is what is coming here. And I don't mean the white thing. I just mean the violence in South Africa is remarkable.

So President Trump, because nobody in the media is ever going to say anything about this. They won't cover it. In fact, you are just you're killed if you try to cover it.

But T Beckett Adams, who used to work for the blaze years and years ago, he said, you know, I don't know about the, you know, what's happening, whether the claim of genocide is baseless or not, but I do know the people that insisting that it is baseless said the Hunter laptop, the COVID lab leak, the Biden deterioration were baseless claims as well. So grain of salt with those people. Amen. Thank you. That's exactly right. Now,

Let me show you what the president did. He has the president of South Africa, Ramaphosa, in his office. And he says, you know, I want to show you, you know, let's talk about what's happening to the white farmers. Now, I said this as I was watching this in real time. And I said this last night on the TV show.

He makes one mistake. He said these are grave sites. They're not grave sites. They're not. They're memorials. We see them on the highways. Somebody dies, they put up a little white cross someplace, and you know somebody had a car accident there. So this is just a memorial that they put together to show the world how many farmers, white farmers, are being killed today.

And so here he has the president of South Africa sitting in the office and he plays this. Watch. These are burial sites right here. Burial sites. Over a thousand. Each one of those white things you see is a cross and...

There's approximately a thousand of them. They're all white farmers, the family of white farmers. And those cars aren't driving. They're stopped there to pay respects to their family member who was killed. And it's a terrible sight. I've never seen anything like it. Those people were all killed. Have they told you where that is, Mr. President? Okay. I'd like to know where that is.

So the president is playing, you know, he is short-circuiting the press. You know what? These people say everything is conspiracy theory. I don't know what it is. I have the president here. I'm going to ask him. Why not ask him in front of everybody? And the president says, I'd like to know where that is. Well, come on. I've seen that video before for years. I know that video. You know, you're the president. You've never seen that video before. Maybe, maybe not. But.

Let me show you another piece of video that The Blaze had on last night on Sarah's show. Do you have the video of this is just these are stones that have names carved in them and it goes on and on and on and it looks like the Vietnam War Memorial. Those are all names of white farmers. If you're watching The Blaze, just think the Vietnam War Memorial.

And they put all these names on these walls and they just keep going. So, I mean, that's pretty elaborate if this is, you know, fake. They're putting all these fake names on granite. Now, what the press is saying, in fact, if we have, do we have the audio from, I think it's CNN or NPR, do we have that audio? No.

For people who don't have a historical context, it does potentially appear more literal. It is an inflammatory song, without a doubt. And many in South Africa, even black South Africans, don't think it should be sung in a post-apartheid world, 30 years plus after apartheid. But there are many who grew up under those years of white minority rule who understand the historical context of this song, Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer.

that Julius Malema has made popular again. It sort of fell into disuse. It's not been that commonly sung after the end of apartheid in 1994, but it's brought it back again to reanimate the issue of the majority of land in South Africa still being owned by white farmers. Okay, okay. So that's all they're doing. They're saying kill the boar, which means kill the whites.

It hasn't been sung for a long, long time, but I guess it's okay now. I mean, you know what? The Klan, you know, we didn't have giant cross burnings around the country, but they're trying to make an economic point now. So I think it's pretty okay that the Klan is, what are you talking about? That is, that's insane. You know what that is? That's the New York Times covering just like they did with Walter Durante on the Holodomor.

There's no actual starvation or deaths from starvation, but there is widespread mortality from disease due to malnutrition. That's the New York Times. The excellent harvest about to be gathered shows that the report of a famine in Russia is an exaggeration or malignant page of the New York Times. How about the Holocaust from 1942? The Chicago Daily Tribune.

Ready? British section of the World Jewish Congress estimated today more than a million Jews have been killed or died as a result of ill treatment in countries dominated by Germany. That was the only paragraph about the final solution. That was it. So please, you have a history of missing these things. Now let me give you some perspective on the other side. Again, I'm

I don't know how many people have died. And what they're doing is they're saying, well, there's 19,000 murders or 20,000 murders every year. Actually, there's 27,000 murders annually in South Africa. Annual murders, 27,000. The annual murders, just to give you some perspective, they have a population of 63 million people.

The annual murder rate for our country, a country with 350 million people, is 19,252. So, I don't know.

There seems to be a bad murder problem happening in South Africa. I don't know how the president even calls this a country. You don't have a government if you have 27,000 murders every year with a population of 63 million. We think our murder population is out of control. We think we've got problems with crime and murder. We have 19,000. They have 27,000.

So they barely even have a country. Now, the press is saying, well, only 2,000 of those were the white farmers. Oh, okay. All right. Stu, could you quick ask AI or just look it up yourself if you don't know it already? How many people were lynched in America? Over 100 years, how many people were lynched? I think the number is under 5,000. I don't know. Is that a problem? Mm-hmm.

Is that a problem for anybody in the press? Oh, well, there are only 5,000. Let me be crazy. There are only 10,000 people lynched. Oh, okay, well, then that's not a genocide. That's not a problem there. There are only 2,000 white farmers who were killed and slaughtered. I'm not saying that everybody is engaged in this. I'm saying you have a major political party singing kill the whites, okay?

In stadiums, singing Kill the Whites. Well, you don't understand the historic perspective. You know what? When somebody tells you they're going to kill you, you take them seriously. You have no choice. Now, let me play something else from the leader of the same party. Here is the leader from the same party. I think this was a year or so ago. Let me look it up. This is... Nope. Nope. This is recent.

Here he is, leader of the economic freedom fighters on this particular, is there a genocide? Are you killing white farmers? Listen to what he says. I don't know what's going to happen in the future. I'm saying to you, we've not called for the killing of white people, at least for now. I can't guarantee the future. Yeah, but I mean, you'd understand somebody watching that, especially as it gets shared on Twitter, they freak out. It sounds like a genocidal. Cry babies.

Cry babies. I'm not calling for the slaughter of white people, at least for now. I can't give you a guarantee of the future. Stop! Do you need to hear any more? I'm not calling for the killing of white people, at least for now. If I got on and said, you know what, I'm not calling for the killing of, you know, Asians, at least not for now, would the press be okay with that? Or would they call me a genocidal maniac?

I think we know the answer. And the answer is yes, they would have a problem with it. They'd call me a genocidal maniac and they would be correct to do that.

Do not listen to the press. Do not listen to the press. I can't tell you what the numbers are. I can't tell you how many people are involved in killing whites. I can just tell you there is a major party. Would you accept the Klan? Would America accept the Klan as a major political party that had real political sway and

That they said they were singing Kill the Black Man. Well, you don't understand. It's an old-timey Klan song from the 1800s. We don't mean it like, you know, like they used to. You just have to understand the historic. We're just making a point. Okay? Would they accept that? The answer is no.

If they had these big rallies, they were singing the song, and then you went to the head grand wizard or dragon or whatever the hell they are, and the guy said, no, you know what? We are not calling for the killing of black people yet. At least not now. Would the New York Times be okay with that? The answer is no. Racism is a human problem. Here's what's really going on.

The reason why they're not saying anything is because those who are calling for the killings of whites are what? They are Marxist and they are all into the ESG, DEI, anti-racist bull crap. America, you want to see your future? You're seeing it right now in South Africa.

And that should be a frightening thing for non-whites. Because remember, there's about 2,000 whites that are farmers that are killed by these radicals. But the government, with all of their great socialist stuff...

They have 27,000 murders a year for 63 million people. Just a reminder again, we have 19,252 murders in the year 2023, the latest one, and that is 350 million people. Do not listen to the press. Back in just a second. First.

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Because the whites that were killed were the whites that were politically standing up for the rights of blacks. Okay? So it is a political racist movement. By the way, look it up. The Klan was started by the Democrats as an enforcement arm. You know, a little like, let's say Antifa or Black Lives Matter.

Same thing. Oh, no, we're not really. No, aren't really. Aren't you? Hmm. That's really interesting. All right. We'll have more on that coming up in just a second. We also have Andy McCarthy on with us. He's the National Review contributing editor, former chief assistant U.S. attorney. We're going to talk to him about what is happening with habeas corpus. You know, what is happening with this? There was another there was another, you know,

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Welcome to Thursday, the Glenn Beck Program. Happy to have Andy McCarthy on. Andy is a good friend of the program. He is one of the greatest guys that I know. He's a really good guy. He has great perspective. This time we disagree, I think. He's a National Review contributing editor, National Review Institute senior fellow, former chief assistant U.S. attorney, and very knowledgeable. His opinion is very important. Welcome to the program, Andy. How are you?

Blaine, great to be with you. I'm doing great. Great. Thank you. You just released something today about immigration and Donald Trump and the war with the judges, etc., etc. Let me just get your quick understanding of habeas corpus and why what Trump is doing you think is wrong.

Well, on this particular case, Glenn, I think what he's doing is right. I think it's the judge that overstuffed the boundary. And I think the quick way to understand this is to the extent that there is

Statutory law, immigration is a plenary responsibility of Congress. All of the President's authority to enforce the law comes from Congress. So to the extent that Congress has defined due process standards and the Supreme Court has established due process principles that apply to things like the Alien Enemies Act, the administration has to follow those. But that is not license for

for federal judges to make up new due process requirements on the fly. Right. The administration has to follow those. And that's what's happened in this Boston case.

So I got to tell you, Andy, I completely misunderstood. I thought you were generally opposed to what the president was doing on immigration. That's not true. I don't have it right. Well, no, I'm an immigration hawk. I think I was one before the president was. What I'm concerned about is that if

If they don't cross the T's and dot the I's from the due process perspective that's on the books, it's going to undermine the important objective of getting out of the country people who shouldn't be in the United States. Right. So let me ask you, because I talked about this yesterday, and you're the perfect guy to talk about. For people who say, you know, habeas corpus is important, and it is,

You know, I would remind you that in the Constitution it says it can be suspended in cases of invasion. And I think you could make a case this we've been invaded intentionally. I mean, China is is helping thwart this.

and use the court system in trying to fund people to thwart the effort to get people out. Why is China involved in this? Anyway, but I want to make sure that it is right. What the problem is, is that we have a court system that just gave somebody a court date of 2032. In my opinion, that violates what the sixth amendment of a speedy trial. That's not a speedy trial.

And they're overwhelming the system. Can't the president do something where he can appoint judges, like right at the border or the airports or wherever, you know, or wherever they're deporting and go, tell me your story. Yep, you're not here illegally. You're, you know, you cross the border, blah, blah, blah, and you don't qualify for asylum. You, maybe you have a case, you stand over here, we'll talk about it a little longer. Isn't there some way to expedite all this and still give the due process, not just expedite,

a glance and a nod, but an actual chance to work just in a fast way? Yeah, I think we have our eye kind of on the wrong ball on this because our immigration laws are excellent, actually, for people who are immigration hawks.

And there are expedited processes. The problem, which you alluded to, is that they flooded the system. So, for example, you can't, as a practical matter, get through all the due process steps unless you can stash someone for the few weeks that it takes to get through an immigration hearing before a Justice Department judge, not an Article III judge.

an appeal to the Board of Immigration Appeals, which is also the Justice Department, and then a one-shot appeal that they get to a circuit court of appeals, not a district judge, which is limited only to legal... Does habeas corpus allow for all of the... You're supposed to have a fair hearing, not a process like this where you have appeal after appeal after appeal until it ends in the Supreme Court.

Well, a lot of them don't go the full appeal. A lot of them just get turned around on the immigration hearing. And a lot of them don't even have the immigration hearing, Glenn. The ones that you're talking about, like right at the border, we find someone, they can be turned around on the basis of a hearing before an immigration officer. The

The problem we have is not that the system doesn't allow for expedited proceedings. It's that Congress hasn't funded the system. So, for example, we have 20 million illegal aliens in the country. Congress has provided for 46,700 detention spaces.

So it's laughable the way they've funded this. You're entirely right. We need immigration judges, immigration officers who can turn these guys around, places where we can stash these people for what could be days or weeks of proceedings, but it's not years and years of million-dollar trials. That's hyperbole. We can do all that stuff. But Congress has to identify this as like the...

Congress has to identify this as the most important crisis in the country and fund it accordingly.

Okay, let me switch because I've got so many things to ask you. Nancy Mace, she is saying she's just filed a motion to expel LaMonica McIver of New Jersey, charged with assaulting, impeding, and interfering with law enforcement. The video is, I think, very, very clear on this. Should... Do you think she'll go to jail on this? Should she go to jail on this, from what you've seen? And...

Shouldn't she be expelled from Congress? Isn't this a pretty large violation? Yeah, I think, you know, as far as the equities are concerned, she should be convicted. I don't know if she should go to jail because we, you know, we have pretty serious crimes in New York and New Jersey that they don't send people to jail over. But she should certainly be convicted. And do I think she rates being kicked out of Congress? Yes. Do I expect Congress to do that? No.

Jeez. All right, let me switch again. Ed Martin has just floated some names of the gatekeepers in Biden's auto pen controversy. He said that he has a source, a well-placed source. Their persons of interest have lawyered up. A whistleblower came forward 10 days ago, apparently. A senior, senior Democrat said,

Saying, look, it was these three people that controlled access and they were making money off of it. Indicated the whistleblower was involved with a 2020 Biden campaign at the highest levels. Again, a Democrat saying this. And they were dominant characters in the White House. They had found some way to make cash off of the auto pen. Is that treason?

Well, it's not treason. I mean, treason is you have to aid enemies of the government or enemies of the United States, and it's got to be done by during wartime. But it's a profound fraud on the government. It's certainly a number of prosecutable crimes I could think of. If they can prove these things, that would come out of it. And, you know, whether we call it treason or something else, it's pretty heinous. And it ought to be treated that way.

All right. So let me take you here. Let me take you to the shooting of the two Israelis yesterday. The shooter was Party for Socialism and Liberation. One of the 50,000 pro-terrorism groups that Ryan Morrow was on this program said they...

that you know they're going to cause problems he listed that i think about a year year and a half ago um they have been this this guy's been at the anti-israel protest you know the marching towards violence study that he did um it's a marxist communist group and uh he went and he's been they've been calling for the extermination of jews what should be done with this guy

Well, I think that has to be prosecuted. I assume that the FBI and the Trump Justice Department are going to investigate this as an act of international terrorism and prosecute it accordingly, not just a random or average quotidian murder that we get in Washington.

Washington, D.C., but this is something that's obviously much more profound. When I say that this is international terrorism, what you usually get back is, well, this is all committed in the United States and it doesn't cross the borders.

The case I did in the 90s, Glenn, against the blind sheikh and his cell, which included the World Trade Center bombing, but also included an act very much like this, the murder of Meir Kahane in 1990, the founder of the Jewish Defense League. All of those acts were committed inside the United States.

but they obviously transcended international borders as that language is set forth in the statute. So this is clearly international terrorism. I have to say what bothers me the most in reading about this is that the media keeps calling this stuff anti-Israel protests, the rhetoric that animates this. And I would just point out what I've been pointing out for 30 years, which is this is...

Whether these are leftists or leftists who are working with Sharia supremacists, this

This is anti-Jewish hatred, and it's scripturally rooted. This is pro-Hamas rhetoric. It's not like mere protest against the Netanyahu government. And it goes back to doctrine that says, the reason they say, like, from the river to the sea, is this is a war of extermination against Jews, right?

under the auspices of the scriptural idea that once territory is controlled by Muslims, it has to be controlled by Muslims for eternity. So this is something that I talked about when we looked at South Africa just a few minutes ago.

You know, I don't care how many were killed. If there's a group saying that we are going to kill all the white farmers, I don't care if it's 2,000 or one. They are genocidal maniacs. This is something entirely different than just a regular crime.

if these people are saying that we have to get rid of all the Jews. So saying they're pro-Hamas or anti-Israel is not going far enough, as you said, the Sharia supremacists that are involved in this. But this was an act of a genocidal maniac who is engaging in his own little version of genocide. Do you agree with that or not? I do. I think that, look, if they're violent acts...

that are committed with the intention of either intimidating a civilian population or changing government policy through violence, then that's terrorism. And it ought to be prosecuted as terrorism. Andy, thank you so much. Are we, in the last six months, do you think we're getting better or worse? I feel like in some ways we're getting better, in some ways...

The left has gone so insane. I just feel like we're headed for, you know, I'm not saying it's coming this summer, maybe it will, but like a summer of rage that the left has gone very, very dark. I actually think things are...

better than they were six months ago. I haven't agreed with everything the administration has done, but I agree with most of where they want to take the country. And I think that to the extent that the civil rights laws are now going to be interpreted the way they were always meant to be interpreted, because

Because the statutes are written in a neutral way. They're not written just for the protection of Democratic Party interest groups. But if the civil rights laws are going to be enforced in a way that protects all Americans, then we're in a much better place than we were before, even if we're getting hit day after day after day by stories about like an excess here or an excess there. I still think the trajectory of that is good as long as they're going to enforce the laws that way.

Andy, thank you so much. I'm glad I talked to you because I thought you were someplace else than you are, and I'm glad I understand your point of view. Thank you so much, Andy. Appreciate it. Thanks a bunch. Appreciate it. You know, when you give to Preborn, you probably, you know, are...

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Talked a lot today about religious persecution. It continues to be one of the most underreported crises in conflict zones. A new documentary looks at all of this. It's called A Faith Under Siege, Russia's Hidden War on Ukraine's Christians. It brings this issue to light, and it's important for us to look at it, no matter where this violence is happening. It's a region that was once celebrated as the post-Soviet Bible Belt, but it's now a place where it's being used as a place of worship.

you know a big community of evangelical and Protestant believers that have become prime target under Russia's war the film documents the harsh reality facing these communities we're talking about like seized churches and tortured past pastors and abducted children

They have all of this on video. I mean, they went there, they had, this is not like, you know, third-hand reporting. They've got all this on video. It's really tough to deal with, but we need to deal with it. Recently featured at the Museum of the Bible, this documentary captures compelling footage and first-hand accounts from the people in these regions. The producers aim to shed light on these stories that often go unreported in mainstream media coverage. You can view this movie yourself, A Faith Under Siege, at faithundersiege.com.

Website also has a prayer guide for you. It has a situation where you can get in touch with your elected representatives to talk about this. It's all important stuff. Whether you're interested in viewing the documentary or using the prayer resources or using the advocacy tools, all options are available. FaithUnderSiege.com. It's FaithUnderSiege.com.

All right, you sick, twisted freak. Let me tell you, coming up in just a second, I'm going to tell you about gas prices. Some really good news on that as we head into Memorial Day weekend. By the way, Mission Impossible 3, or Mission Impossible 2, or 9, or 10, whatever it is, the second part of the last Mission Impossible opens this weekend. I cannot wait. We're going to talk a little bit coming up next hour about some of the things that I think are coming when it comes to gas.

Well, I think people going to jail. I think there's some things happening. Also, Kelsey Grammer is coming on today. It's been a long time since we had Kelsey on. He is always a great interview, and he has done something recently that is really quite shocking. I mean, it is one of the most amazing things I have seen or read, and he's going to share it with you coming up on today's program. ♪

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Hello, America. Welcome. I've got good news for you. It's Memorial Day weekend and gas prices. Oh, this is so nice to be able to say gas prices adjusted for inflation will hit the lowest level in more than two decades. If you adjust for inflation, gas this weekend will cost the lowest amount below $3 a gallon since 2003.

So that tells you two things. One, we are turning things around. Things are getting good. The days of $1.25 gas are gone, not because we're not pumping gas or doing what we have to do to get gas to you, but because of inflation. Stu, look up what the gas price was in 2003.

Because I bet you it was just over a dollar, maybe $1.50 max. And if that is adjusted for inflation, that means our dollar has lost half of its value since 2003. Do you have it?

$1.56 in 2003. So we've lost just about half our money, inflation. That's because of 2008 and everything the Fed did and all of the money printing from the government and everything else. So good news, it's lowest since 2003. Bad news, your $3 is actually only $1.50 from 20 years ago. Okay.

When we come back, because I want to take a one-minute break here, just get this break out of the way so we can then talk for a good 20 minutes or so. I want to talk to you about something I started last night and what I believe is coming in America.

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My mind is like a million different places today. Let me start here before I get into what I think is coming, and this is a good indication of it. Last night at the Israeli embassy, two staff members, they're called diplomats because they were probably on a diplomatic passport. They worked at the embassy, but these are just two young kids in their 20s. Yaron...

Lichinsky and Sarah Milgram. They were walking out of an event that happened to be at the Capital Jewish Museum in Washington, D.C. And a 30-year-old guy we now know is Elias Rodriguez. He's from Chicago. He decided that he was going to kill himself some Jews.

And so he stood in waiting with a gun and he gunned these two kids down in cold blood. They caught him. They confiscated the gun. I hope he, I mean, if we had the death penalty, I hope he would get the death penalty, but we don't do that anymore. And he's going to be tried most likely in Washington, D.C. So God only knows what happens to him.

Um, but this is these, this is a couple that he had just this week, unbeknownst to her, got out and bought a engagement ring here in America was going to bring it back home in his pocket to Israel. And when they got into back to Israel next week, he was going to propose their whole life. Any children they would have had gone. Now, let me tell you who this guy is. Uh, we now know, uh,

that this guy was part of a Marxist pro-Hamas organization. It's Marxist-communist. These are the people our schools are churning out. This is ends justify the means. These are the same people that are

The same people that are now helping these judges and pushing these judges and protesting in the streets and causing all kinds of havoc because they think that they should stand up for the rights of murderers and everybody else to stay here in our country. Then you have people like the governor of Minnesota saying that ICE is Trump's modern day Gestapo.

Everything is being ratcheted up. Everything is, I mean, you have, you have Fang Fang's boyfriend saying that they've arrested, uh, MacGyver, a Congresswoman who was assaulting a police officer, trying to storm the gates of a secure facility for ice. All she had to do if she wanted oversight was call them and they would have let her in. But,

But they instead, the mayor who wants to be governor of New Jersey, he you know, they came with a bunch of protesters. They protest around the gate. Well, as soon as they opened the gate to let a bus in the protesters, this congresswoman and the mayor, they all surged at the gate. ICE did their best to stop them. They were assaulted, yada, yada, yada. And now.

Nancy Mace just introduced a bill in Congress that said she should be removed from Congress. I think she should. I don't think Congress will do it. That's how sad things are. She should be removed from Congress. She's assaulting police officers. DOJ is now going to prosecute her after the investigation for that incident.

Why would, why, last night on TV I asked the question, why would the Democrats be going this way? Why would they be standing up for murderers? Why would they be standing up for Hamas? Why would they, why would they be ratcheting up? It's not the way to win an election. You're not going to win on that. America's not going to embrace that. I believe that may not be the plan. You know, revolution and direct action stuff doesn't,

That's what they're trained to do. It's the highest calling of the left. And this isn't about politics. This is about a Marxist worldview that has been baked into the minds of several generations of Americans through our university classrooms now. I could give you the history of it, but I mean, it starts with John Dewey and then it goes to a guy named Paolo. I think his name is Frere.

And Frere, he wrote a book called The Pedagogy of the Oppressed. And that is the sacred text for the left and the educational revolution. You want to know what happened to our education? Pedagogy of the Oppressed. Read it.

He didn't see schools as a place for learning math or history. He saw them as battlegrounds for social action. All across the U.S., his critical pedagogy is still the dominant theory in teacher education programs today. So they are churning out radicals. And his big idea was, see if this sounds familiar, the world is divided into oppressors and the oppressed.

So the classroom is where you train students to see everything through that lens. You're either the oppressor or the oppressed. This is critical race theory, gender ideology, DEI, every other oppressed versus oppressor framework that's taken over our corporations and our campuses comes from this. The wake of the Hamas attack in Israel, October 7th, 2013.

Jonathan Haidt, one of the brilliant minds of our day, he wrote an article called Why Antisemitism Sprouted So Quickly on Campus. He says the students have learned now a new morality. Let me read this to you. To view everyone as either oppressor or a victim, students were taught to use identity as the primary lens through which everything is to be understood.

not in their coursework, but in their personal and political lives. When students are taught to use a single lens for everything, their education is harming them rather than improving their ability to think critically. This is the new morality. This is what has driven our universities off a cliff, and it's about to run our country off a cliff if more people don't wake up, because this is what fuels the direct action in the streets. Now,

I said last hour, and I said last night on TV, that I think, I don't know if it's going to be this summer, but we are headed for real...

You know, BLM riots all across America on multiple fronts. It's coming. It's just coming. And it's coming from, I mean, we've seen the political violence from the left. No matter what the mainstream media wants to tell you, oh, no, we're worried about the white man and the extremists. Well, you know what? I'm worried about everybody right now, quite honestly. But one side really has a track record, and I don't have to go back in the time machine to see it.

Let me just give you a few. This is just off the top of our heads as we sat around this morning. Ready?

Baseball field attack on Republican congressman in 2017 by a Bernie Sanders supporter that almost killed Representative Steve Scalise. He was out to kill all of the Republicans on the baseball diamond. And we now know that our DOJ covered it up because who was in charge? 2020 BLM riots, which caused at least a dozen deaths and an all-time U.S. record of $2 billion in damages.

The 2020 Antifa riots in Portland, where the Department of Homeland Security spent $12 million just to protect the federal buildings during weeks-long battle with rioters. At one point, the rioters barricaded federal offices inside a courthouse and tried to set the building on fire. How about the 96 different crisis pregnancy centers that were attacked since the Dobbs decision was overturned?

or overturn Roe versus Wade, or the hundreds of Catholic churches that have been vandalized with pro-abortion messages, or the man who was arrested with weapons, all kinds of stuff, outside Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh's house, who claimed he was there to assassinate Kavanaugh because of the Dobbs decision.

Then there was the assassination of the UnitedHealthcare CEO, Brian Thompson, last year. The alleged killer held left-wing views, and now the left has lionized him. He's a hero of the left. You don't put that man up as a hero for your movement. You don't make him a hero unless you agree with violence, unless you believe no matter what, ends justify the means. He's now a folk hero.

How about the burning of the Tesla dealerships and the cars? Last month, Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro's official residence was firebombed. The suspect allegedly set the governor's mansion on fire because what? What? Because Shapiro, who is Jewish, what he wants to do to the Palestinian people.

Okay, wait a minute. So shooting last night, the fire there. Then, of course, there was the assassination attempt on Donald Trump's life last year. Somehow we still don't know the details about the assassin's political views, but seems pretty unlikely that he was a conservative. The pattern is very clear. And what's disturbing about this is it's getting worse after the election. Okay.

When these people talk about democracy, what they mean is communist-style people's revolution. And I want to make sure you understand this. I'm not talking about the average Democrat that is your neighbor. I don't believe they believe this stuff. I think they've been duped into believing...

that, you know, through the hatred of Donald Trump, and they may have legitimate reasons for not liking Donald Trump, okay? I'm not going to argue with that. You might have legitimate reasons for not liking him. But they have been so indoctrinated by the mainstream media, they've only been given half of the story, and the half that they're giving a lot of times is out-and-out lies. I mean, let's talk about the Biden stuff, okay?

And you've been indoctrinated to hate Donald Trump, which stops you from looking at what your side is actually doing and the coordination of it. And if you think that it's not coordination, well, let me just tell you about the coalition of Democratic governors called Governors Safeguarding Democracy. It is a group that is led by J.B. Pritzker, who is the Illinois governor, and Colorado's governor, Jared Polis.

This is a coordinated effort to defy President Trump's immigration policies and to get some heavy hitters calling the shots. One day after Trump's second inauguration, the group held a Zoom meeting led by none other than Norm Eisen. Who is that?

He's the former White House ethics czar. So funny. And a special counsel for Trump's first impeachment trial. He is also one of the ringleaders of the current lawsuit campaign. He's laid this whole thing out. Now, their strategy is laid out in a book called Governor Safeguarding Democracy Firewall for Freedom. Now, it was obtained through FOIA by the Daily Signal.

Why isn't anybody saying, thank you, Daily Signal? Why isn't anybody talking about this? Well, we know because the mainstream media is never going to talk about this. The plan includes...

Model executive orders for governors to use in blocking National Guard deployments if they don't like them and refuse state resources for federal immigration enforcement. One draft order says that states shall provide no time, money, or facilities for National Guard units deployed without the governor's approval. Another directs state agencies to withhold information if they suspect it's being used for immigration actions.

So they are plotting government. And what exactly are they preparing to obstruct? What National Guard deployments? What are you talking about? Well...

Governor Pritzker said something in a speech that I think ties into this directly. And I'll give that to you in one minute. First, Berna Lundgren. How strange is it? The world is, you know, kind of becoming a little bit of a frightening place and you can feel it at times. You can't always put your finger on it, but you know, it's, it's there. And things seem to be getting worse before they get better. Okay.

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Is it just that they're going to use legal action? No. Now, remember, Pritzker is one of the guys leading this with Norm Eisen and everybody else. And I want you to listen to what he's saying. He's not talking about the National Guard and he's not talking about lawyers here. Listen to what he said just a couple of weeks ago. Never before in my life have I called for mass protests, for mobilization, for disruption. But I am now. These Republicans can only live in peace.

These people cannot know a moment of peace. That is a governor of one of our largest states. This is what happens when the system churns out activists instead of thinkers. Violence is excused as resistance. When governors weaponize their authority to defy the will of the American people. Trump won in a clear 2024 mandate. Everybody knows that. Everybody knows Trump was elected for two things. The economy.

And immigration. And I don't think in that order. But he won.

And the left is obsessed with their oppressor-oppressed worldview. They see only one path, and that is fight, disrupt, and resist. We're not talking about just policy disagreements. This is a coordinated effort to destabilize America, rooted in decades of Marxist indoctrination. That's what's happening in America. That's what's coming. And I want to take you to another story that Donald Trump did, who was amazing, in the Oval Office yesterday.

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Get every story we talk about every day. Free email newsletter. Sign up now at glennbeck.com. There's a lot on our plate, but let me start with South Africa and just a real quick tutorial on this. Here's a bit of a Prager University video on South Africa. White South African farmers are being hunted from their land by black gangs.

And I had a young son at the time and he would sometimes have nightmares about when the monsters would come, you know, at night time. But in South Africa that is when the gangs come.

and they work together and they attack white farmers. And some of the things that happen to white farmers, we don't need to talk about here, but the barbarity, it isn't just about burglary, which it gets filed away as. This is torture. And the numbers of white farmers being killed is incredible. And because South Africans have expropriation without compensation, which basically means we're taking your land. So I went and slept on the farms to feel the fear.

white people are denied treatment in hospitals in South Africa. It's an extreme situation that no one will talk about. It's a really bad situation. The reason why I want to play that for you is because I believe there is genocide going on, but not to the numbers, perhaps, of what people think of genocide. You know, CNN was like, there's only, you know, 1,800 or 2,000 white farmers that have been killed in the last few years. I'm like, oh, that's it, okay.

Okay, so at least we know what genocide is not, apparently under a couple thousand. Genocide is a frame of mind. You genocidal maniac. It is a frame of mind that I'm going to kill all of these people for whatever reason. This group of people, I think they should all die. And if you take steps to do that, that's genocide. You are trying to...

enact or help others enact genocide. Okay. We'll get back to South Africa and what I believe is the genocide, just not the way you frame it, you know, 6 million Jews. It's not that, but it is, it's anti-racism. That's what it is. You can't just not be a racist. You have to be an anti-racist. You have to hate the oppressor.

You have to do whatever you have to do because the oppressor is the evil one and has to be stopped. This is what's happening over in South Africa. And it is a Marxist, racist ideology. And it is destroying South Africa. You know, you look at the 2,000 white farmers, and I don't know if that number is entirely accurate, but around 2,000 white farmers that have been killed, you

Okay, that's a lot, but they had 27,000 murders in that...

in that country. Now they're, they're a country of, uh, 60,000, 65,000. We're a nation of 350 million and we had 19,000 murders. Okay. So think of the fear that is, that's a country completely out of control. And some of those were passions, uh, and crimes of passion. They were crimes of, uh, uh, of burglary. Perhaps they were crimes, just senseless killing. And some of them were genocide, uh,

You don't dismiss genocide and you don't dismiss a system that is producing 27,000 murders on average every single year. This is what happens when a government starts to adopt all of the things that the left wants us to adopt. The anti-racist point of view, the let's not punish criminals, socialist Marxist ideals.

Look at South Africa. That's what they want here. Now, they might say they don't, but, you know, you can say, you know, I'm going to put a bunch of bacon into my oven because puppy dogs are going to pop out. You can believe whatever you want. You can say whatever you want, but that's not what's going to happen. And I want you to look at the pattern here in America, okay?

The left now is defending murderers, gang members. Why? Because America is oppressive. They would rather have those guys returned safely so they can, I don't know, go through trial or live here happily or what, I don't know. They would rather have sanctuary cities that protect those people than you, America.

How does that's not a winning strategy for the next campaign. It's just not, you know, going in and, and, and beating on police. I mean, just watch the video. You could say whatever you want about MacGyver, but if you watch the video, you see exactly what's going on. Okay. She was assaulting police officers and then she was trying to play victim. Cause remember, that's what you do on the left.

You make the other person the oppressor and you're the oppressed, so you get all the sympathy. And it's insane and it's happening over and over and over again. You had the two Jews last night gunned down in the streets of Washington. Who were they? Pro-Hamas Marxist Communists. Okay. You have something else going on. You also have the investigation into who is covering up for Joe Biden.

The auto pin today, the news is we have a listen to this, a high quote, high, high level democratic operative that was involved in the campaign and involved with the White House that has come out now as a confidential whistleblower to identify the three people that were not only guarding all of the secrets and keeping people away from the president, which was bad enough.

But this whistleblower now says they were making money on the signature machine, the auto pen. Excuse me? We now have a whistleblower saying that. This is going to be turned over to the DOJ very soon. You're going to see these three people tried and hopefully go to jail if that evidence is true. Today, you also have a story about...

The government knew, we now have a new report that is out after an investigation, that the government knew about the vaccine side effects and the injuries that could happen, and they actively covered it up. You're going to see people marched in handcuffs, I think, within the next two weeks. You're going to see people marched in handcuffs because of that. The cover-up on the COVID. You're going to see people marching in handcuffs because of what happened in the White House and that cover-up with the auto pen.

You already saw MacGyver marching in handcuffs. So there's two forces. This is what I want to tell you. There are two forces. One, the United States government, which is now with the Justice Department and the FBI, seem to be moving in exactly the right direction. You have ICE moving in the right direction. And they are starting to enforce the law. So what's that going to do to the other side?

The other side, these are Marxist, communists, anti-racist, radical revolutionaries. Make no mistake, this is not your Democrat that you've known for years that lives next door. These are radical revolutionary Marxists, communists, pro-sharia law people.

They do not want to live side by side by their neighbor. They do not want American justice to be restored. They're looking for an entirely different kind of justice, the kind of justice that you're now finding in South Africa. And I'm sorry, but I'm not going to, not on my watch, not on my watch. I don't think you're going to stand for it either, but they're going to cause violence. What we have to do is in every way possible, support the institutions that have,

are moving in the right direction. Nobody's perfect. Nothing is perfect. And I don't trust any of the institutions right now. And I think George Washington would applaud me for that. But that doesn't mean I want them all to go into a fiery furnace. We have to have institutions that we can trust or we have no civilization. You know, Jonah Goldberg, you're pathetic. You're absolutely pathetic. He wrote something yesterday about how, you know,

Me and Alex Jones are just, you know, all, you know, populist. And we're going to we're going to make sure that nobody believes in any institution. That is exactly the opposite of what I'm saying. But we're we're under attack. Voices like mine saying this. I'm under attack because people must have division.

I'm saying do everything you can to stop dividing. Do everything you can. You've got to call a spade a spade. You've got to say that is evil, that is good. That is black, that is white. You're a man, that's a woman. You have to do that. But they're going to start to get more and more violent in the next year or two years. Maybe it happens faster. And they're going to use everything they can. And they're going to also get into bed with anything they can. Do you know that the...

push for people standing up and protesting for these illegals that are being... Do you know that China's funding a lot of that? We just found that out today. You think they have a pro-American, pro-freedom agenda? Nope, but these organizations won't care. They'll take that money. They don't care. So we have to know who we are, what we believe. We have to know our constitution. We have to teach it to our family.

We have to stay calm, be leaders, and you're only leaders if you're well-informed. Again, anybody who gets their news off of social media, the person who reads nothing has a better education than the people who only read social media. Do not get your news from social media. You can get a tip. You can say, oh, wow, that's good. But then go in and investigate it. Don't go with the headlines. Don't believe social media.

And as we saw yesterday, you know, all the people who are saying that this is a conspiracy theory about the whites and the farmers in South Africa, they're all the same people that told you there was nothing wrong with Joe Biden. So you have to decide what side you're on. And I know what side you're on. And, you know, somebody came to me the other day and they talked to me about you and they said your audience. And they know because they deal with audiences all over the country.

And they said, your audience is different than any other audience in America. And I said, I know, but how do you see it? And they described it exactly like I do. You're the most honest, decent, kind, loving, true American that is not out for vengeance, but out for the American values. You're the most polite. You still say, please, thank you. You still hold doors open for people. You clean up homes.

after yourselves you'll have a big event in a park or something and you'll clean up after yourself there is no group of people i think that has been assembled for a broadcast that is like this and i i am honored to serve you every day truly honored to serve you every day things are going to get much much better but it's going to be a hard slog because i don't think the left is

is done because they're not they're not doing anything here that would lead to re-election they're not they're not uniting with the average american with these kinds of things so what are they planning i think what all marxist anti-racist communists and revolutionaries plan for every time street action back in just a minute

Do you think your dogs are not talking about you at the park? I mean, really, you should think again, because they are. They're talking about you. And the conversation always goes the same way. Hey, hey, you're looking good. Coach Shiny, energy's up. I mean, what's going on with you? And then your dog, you know, the genius says, well, you know, I'm just well-fed, spoiled, you know. You know, I just, I got to tell you, Mike,

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because that's what it said in social media, or that's what I believed I saw in social media. And I jumped to that conclusion. And so I do the second thing you have to do, and that is this. Admit when you're wrong. Fast. Immediately. Do not let any time pass. Jonah, I got that wrong. I broke my own rule and didn't fully understand what was going on. I'm not sure if you believe the tripe that that other author was talking about.

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And before I bring him on, I want to read what's on the back cover of his book or what the PR people set up. On July 1st, 1975, Kelsey Grammer's younger sister, 18-year-old Karen Grammer, was raped and murdered. In Karen, Kelsey reveals their past, celebrates their youth together, mourns her loss, and unearths his struggle for faith and healing in the decades since her death. That is such...

bull crap. If you've read the book, that is just, that's a PR person saying it's almost like chat GPT. Let me, before I bring them on, let me just show you what this book is in his own words in the book, recounting her history and the events that landmark her story is part of what's going on here. But another part is how she continues in me or how I've imprisoned her with my inability to let her go. That idea haunts me.

Recounting her funeral and the events of her death has made me realize how mad I was at myself, how angry that that one thing that I had always done, I didn't do. I felt unmasculated and empty. All my big brother protector BS was just that. No, Karen. Karen, get back to Karen. Okay, it's important to remember the tragedy of her death belongs to her.

Not entirely true, perhaps, because, you see, I've often said that to dismiss my own feelings about it. The tragedy belongs to her as if I have no right to view it as my tragedy, but it belongs to me, too. Her death belongs to her. The consequences belong to me and to the men who killed her, and to me because I couldn't stop them. I didn't stop them. That was my issue with it all, and I felt like I had failed her.

don't read the back cover read the book it's called karen by kelsey grammar kelsey welcome to the program thank you glad thank you this is an amazingly powerful book um you want to tell a little bit of the story yeah sure um i deeply appreciate what you what you just read um what happened

It's 50 years ago, July 1st this year. I have carried it with me for a long, long time. And I probably would have continued to do that. It was sort of a... Having reached a kind of stalemate with the grief and remembrance that always sort of favored the grief part. I was doing a channeling session with a woman who's kind of a famous medium in some of the circles I travel. And in the midst of the session, she said,

oh, wait a minute, your sister is saying that she wants you to tell her story. And that was kind of a remarkable moment because I've delved into this world a bit, this sort of mediumship world. I produced a show called Medium years ago. And it's meant to be a healing art, I think, but...

I'd never heard anyone say that. And I suddenly thought that sounds authentic and real. Like Karen really is asking me to do this. And so I, I sat down about a month later, I waited a while and I sat down and started to jot down some notes and about eight or nine pages into it. Um,

I suddenly realized I was writing a book about Karen, about my sister, and about the life we'd lived together and about the life that I'd lived since her time and the life I've lived with her always in my mind. And so I came up with this book, and this book is part...

part spoken by Karen, part written by my imagination and my recollection. And in a weird way, the writing itself became a kind of a channeling event in my life where things came up in clarity that I'd forgotten, that it was extraordinary. Time just disappeared. And suddenly I was still holding my little sister's hand or taking her up a hill to take a snow ride or a ride on a sled or on...

We were out on a boat together and sitting in a hammock together. And all these things became sort of the world of the book and the world that was the world I grew up in with Karen and then the world, of course, that I was left with when she was gone. We were extremely close. That was probably different than some brother-sister stories. But, you know, there's no one closer to you genetically than your brother or your sister. You're identical, basically. So it was a very important experience for me.

No, go ahead. I'm sorry. No, that was it. That was it. You know, I was taking it back. I wasn't going to go here, but you brought it up, the medium thing. I was taking it back, and it made me think of Harry Houdini. After his mother died, he became obsessed with the other side and trying to reach. And then when he died, he said to his wife, you know, continue to try to find me,

And I will say the words, best believe.

And she never heard that. But he was obsessed with that. You talk about Christ in an amazing way. If I may quote, I think of Christ. The world gave him so much hate. He gave them so much love. God bless him. God bless Karen. God bless mom. God bless Evangeline. My God, even his body distorted in the grimace of inhumane torture. Jesus beseeched, Father, forgive them for they do not know what they do.

Their hate and their fear killed love. Imagine that. How could that happen? So, you know, that was the one thing that I wondered, you know, have you forgiven yourself really yet fully? Because, I mean, you're carrying around guilt that is not yours. And even if it was, you've got to find a way to let it go. And that's the whole point of Christ. Have you found that place yet?

Yeah, I mean, it did come, you know, but what's funny about life, you know, from each morning you wake, there may come a fresh spring of self-loathing or regret that will indict you, you know, but of course, Jesus is there to

to take it. You know, that's what's amazing. In the book, I do, you know, I have this moment where I was just sitting on a plane and it was as if finally Jesus was sitting beside me saying, this one's mine. You've got to let it go.

I'll take it. And of course, I still resist that because it's like, it's sort of, I think, well, no, I'm a man. I can handle this. I can take it. And you know, there's just some things. And then Jesus finally said to me, he said, no, I got this. I got this. It's why I came. And I

And that really, that helps me a great deal. And of course, it's so funny, the mediumship thing. I mean, I'm going to deflect for a second. The mediumship thing is, you know, is reviled by my buddy, Greg Laurie, who, you know, is sort of the fundamental, you know, kind of evangelistic guy. Yeah, yeah. Really enjoyed him.

But I always point out to my friends from that particular quarter, that whole book about Revelation, you know, that is channeled. I don't know if they've gotten to terms with this, but John sitting in that cave and stuff and all this information he got and talking with Jesus. I mean, I guess it's okay in the Bible, but it's not okay anywhere else. I think this is...

Another sort of arrow in the quiver of God's quiver that you will get information from so many different places. Be careful, yeah, because, you know, the stinky one can come along for the ride once in a while and sort of insinuate his way into what you hope is a healing message. But God's clarity is apparent in many places. Let me take you to one of the more incredible parts of the book.

I mean, your sister was brutally murdered and raped. And at one point in the book, you get the police report and you see the police report.

And, I mean, it's deeply disturbing. And you read it cold. If I may, I spent more than a month away from writing. Longer pause than I intended. There were some health concerns in the family and a trip abroad. I had reached a crossroads.

A while back, Jim Bentley with the prosecutor's office in Colorado Springs sent me a copy of the files on Karen's death. Files of the investigation, the murder scene. This is the record. It was sent with a warning. I want to caution you about the details you will learn if you read all the material I'm sending you. Please consider having someone you know and trust to review this information before you decide to read it yourself. There is no way to unring the bell.

or perhaps have somebody else summarize the information might be an alternative to reading it yourself. But you read it, and you don't regret it. Tell me about that moment and that process. Yeah, it occurred to me in that moment that if it was something so painful, why would I make somebody else do it?

that one was for me that was meant for me to do and of course then i then i tried to cushion it when i when i revealed some of the facts that i learned in the in the police report i tried to make them a little more palatable to people i described some things that were truly horrible that karen suffered that night but um that was in order to kind of gain a sense of credibility of um

a credential of suffering that other people who have been through similar things would recognize and say to themselves, okay, he's talking about what I know. He's talking from the same place that we've been put in. And sorry, sorry, excuse me. So that they would be able to say that the advice I give is true.

The longing that I've experienced about missing my loved one is the same they've experienced. And so my words of comfort come from a place they would recognize. What you pulled out of that, if I may read the police report again now, and again, and after two months, I now...

I'll find an uneasy comfort in these pages. I've spent so many years playing out these moments in my imagination. Now I know the truth. There's no smidgen of relief. There's only clarity. It is the place only imaginings of how she must have felt and thought and suffered through those final hours of her life. Is that comfort that you now, you now know everything it's, is it, it's better now?

That was real. Yeah, that's a real thing for me because I had so much conjecture. You know, and I guess it's...

I don't think I'm special in this regard. I mean, being an actor, I guess we spend a lot of our time coming up with, you know, excuses, reasons, justifications, understandings, things that connect us to the motivation of characters we're playing, fantasies, basically. So my mind has always been very fertile that way. So everything that Karen went through

There was another component to it of what I imagined she went through. So there was deep comfort in knowing truth, finally. So many things that I had supposed were not the truth. And so the comfort I read in the pages was simply that I now had information that was accurate, that would help me keep the men who killed her in jail. But also it was...

It was the end to me coming up with stories that I hadn't thought of. It was the end of imaginings. So that was a comfort because I had spent so much of my life kind of wrestling with, oh, I wonder what that was. I wonder if this happened or what she was doing there. And by being able to track some of her footsteps and actually going and reliving some of them, I was able to

I was able to find a way into what Karen was really thinking that night, stuff like that. Before, why was she there? Why was she sitting behind the restaurant where she'd worked? And I suddenly realized, oh, she liked company. You know, that was a huge burden lifted from me about how did she get there?

I'd sit in the middle of the bus. She walked up because she thought, maybe, you know, I'll go have a drink with a pal. And that reduced so much of my anxiety about it to a symbol of remembrance of who Karen was. Karen was great company. She was a wonderful person to spend some time with. And to remember that was more important than, you know, any of the horrors in a weird way. The horrors, I'd imagine, were just as horrible or even...

And what actually happened was worse than I'd imagined in many ways. But to know the truth did set me free, which is, you know, biblical. Yeah. The truth does that. It can make you miserable at first, but it will set you free. Move the commercial break. I'm not going to break for a commercial, but I do have to give a 10-second network station ID. We pause for 10 seconds.

Okay, back with Kelsey Grammer. You know, can I ask you, is some of, I read a quote from somebody, I don't remember who said it, but they said, you die twice. First, when you stop breathing, and second, when somebody mentions your name for the very last time.

Did that kind of thinking play a role with you at all in holding on to her and speaking her name and making sure she was a part of your life? Thank you.

Yeah, I mean, I discovered, I discussed it in the book, the word remember is my favorite word because if you break it off after the R-E, right, and put a little hyphen in there, remembering means you're a member again. You are a member of society and you are brought back to life again.

in every moment that you're remembered. And so that's why I think it's important. And that's why, which is one of the reasons I wrote the book. But I hadn't thought of that. But what's nice is when people call or text me and say, I just finished the book, I know your sister Karen now. It's just great to see her name written that way. It's great to hear them say her name as though she's alive today. And that makes all the difference. Yeah.

You talk about justice in the book, and you're really, I mean, you're very raw. You want to see your sister's murderers rot in jail. And in fact, I think at one point you say, you know, if I had the opportunity, I would have killed them. And I still probably would kill them. And I don't blame you. I mean, it's really honest and raw. But our culture emphasizes and maybe overemphasizes at times compassion over justice.

but both justice and compassion come from God, and there's a careful balance in there. How do we balance that? Do you think you found the balance? If I were to sort of assign where that sentiment has arisen, I think it's because

we've kind of lost touch with god as a society in many ways i think i think there's a bit of a comeback going on right now which i'm enjoying and i hope the rest of the country is yes um but um government is flawed and of course you know judgment within the confines of our government today and then we land our courts i mean of course you know that there have been some people who've gone to jail who shouldn't have

but there are those, you know, remarkably sort of landmark cases. There's no question this guy should stay in jail. Um, the, the, the prevalence right now of, um, people saying, well, you know, maybe it's been long enough, that kind of stuff. It's, you know, yes, I, I get that there, that there is a component of what justice and compassion might actually be when they're twinned. But, um, this, this guy is, um, past that, beyond that. Uh,

and needs to remain in jail. We need to have the courage to say, well, consequences do have their place in our society. And the free ride thing, which is what's becoming very popular right now, or the skate aspect of justice is not prudent.

Kelsey, I mean, just so he doesn't die his second death, I just want to say George Wendt today, Norm on Cheers, he passed away this week. I'd love to talk to you about that, but we're out of time. I've only got about 45 seconds. I would love to talk to you in a longer form at some point, but I just have to tell you.

I watched the new Frasier. You have created the funniest character that is so long run now. The characters on your show are so brilliant. Every single one of them in this new version of Frasier. It is the funniest show, the best well-written show on television. And thank you for all of the laughs that...

me and my family have watching Fraser over the years from cheers all the way to the latest. But thank you so much for all of the laughs. You're very, you're great. You're a treasure.

Thanks, Kelsey. I appreciate it. I feel the same about you. Thank you. Thanks, man. Kelsey Grammer, if you haven't seen his show, I don't remember what network it's on now, but it's fantastic. But you should read, especially if you've lost somebody, Karen, a brother remembers the way he has dealt with things and let things go. This is Glenn Beck.

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Wow. Wow. Yeah. Was that an amazing interview? I had no idea that story even existed. I didn't know that happened in his life. I didn't know any of that. And to hear him reacting to it and how he's had to deal with it for 50 years is riveting. He left home the same time she left home, and he goes to the Juilliard, and he's doing stuff at the Juilliard. I think he gets...

I think he gets kicked out or something. He fails or something. Something happens at Juilliard and she's killed. And he's like, where's the big brother? What was I doing? I mean, it's an amazing story. And the, what did he call it? The clairvoyant shift as a national radio broadcaster. I was glad that he said that three times and I wasn't

Sure, the first two times that there was a T at the end of that. Or, you know, an F-T. It gave me a little bit of a heartbeat skip as well, yes. Yeah, a little heartbeat. But I just found that odd. I really felt... Because he does talk about Jesus and redemption and everything else, and he just has a different look on clairvoyance. I mean, I do believe that you can get...

I do believe God talks to all of us. I don't know if anybody can talk to somebody for you. I don't think that habit, but maybe. I don't know. I really don't know how God works. But as he said, you get into some scary stuff because the dark side can take over quite easily. Do you believe in any of that stuff, clairvoyance? No.

That are charging money for it? Yeah, no, it's certainly not something that I engage in. Not my thing. I'm much more boring than believing in a lot of that stuff. But I do, you know, again, everyone has a different opinion. The mysterious ways thing, I think, pops into mind a little bit at times when you're dealing with this. Who knows? Because, I mean, I hear people all the time saying they're hearing stuff from God, you know, pastors and, you know, people who have, you know,

not even going into the clairvoyance world, but into just—and again, I think everyone has that different relationship. That's not the way that I necessarily have a relationship with God. So let me switch gears. If you missed that interview, you should really listen to it. It's amazing. But they passed the Big Beautiful Bill last night. I haven't had a chance to ask you what your—actually, this morning at about 6 o'clock. What's your take on the Big Beautiful Bill, Stu?

It's interesting, Glenn. There is a lot of good in it. It is gigantic. So there is also a lot of bad in it. I don't think it's a massive win in a lot of ways, especially because one of the biggest things it accomplishes is essentially reinstating business.

Trump's 2017 tax cut. That expiring would have been horrible for the economy. So it is a big win, but in a way to us, because it's just continuing current policy, I don't think it's going to feel like that. You know, looking at the way it broke down, we broke down all the different groups that were fighting against this. And it is interesting to see, we talked about this precise thing. You can either go in there and say,

Hey, here's a little giveaway to you. Here's a little giveaway to you. Here's a little giveaway to you. Here's the thing that you want and try to make all of these groups kind of come along. But that's difficult because each group has competing interests at times. And then the other approach is Trump can come in and say, do it.

And beat everybody bloody. Yes. And that's exactly what happened. He said it would be the ultimate betrayal if the people voted against it. And when he said that, along with a bunch of the giveaways and, you know, different amendments they did at the end, wound up getting it across the finish line with, I believe, only two Republican no votes. And I believe also two present votes.

So here's what I, here's one thing I, I want to point out. There is $1.7 trillion in cuts there, but that's not real. Yeah. They do. You know, when they pass this, it doesn't mean those cuts go in. They now, I don't understand the procedure, but they now have to go back and Congress needs to say, okay, we're activating the cuts. Okay.

So there's another step to that. So it's in the bill. If Congress will do it, that's really good. One seven in cuts would be great. It's still anywhere between three to five trillion dollars over the next, what, 10 years in debt, I think they said.

And, you know, that's not good. And I think that's why our Treasury bills had a very bad day. You know, it's selling, hey, who wants to buy our debt? And everybody's like, I don't want to. I don't hear anybody. There's nobody in this room, is there? I mean, nobody wanted to buy them yesterday. That's going to be very, very bad. So how I interpret all of this is the clock is on. Donald Trump knows. His theory is grow your way out of the debt.

I believe grow and cut your way out of the debt. But his point here is you can't grow your way out of the debt because you can't cut your way out of the debt. You have to grow your way. But if you're cutting, the government is so intertwined with everything right now. They've given so much money to everything that it's, you know, what is it now like 35% or 40% of our economy is the government debt?

And so he's like, if you cut that too drastically too fast, you will cut growth. You'll have job reports that are bad, et cetera, et cetera. He's trying to spur on...

entrepreneurial spirit because that's the ones who actually create jobs are the entrepreneurs. In bad times, 80% of jobs come from small businesses. So now we have to see them putting the pedal to the metal to cut the regulation, especially for small business owners. So these small business owners can get to work. They have the tax cut now. Give them the regulation relief. And that would be tremendous. But

A clock started this morning when they passed this bill saying,

And I guess it has to go to the Senate, right? But they're expecting it to pass today or tomorrow, right? I don't know. I mean, the Senate, again, is going to definitely change a bunch of stuff and then it's going to have to come back together again with the House. There's a long road here. They may get it across. The Senate is a little more resistant to Trump saying, hey, you know, just do this than the House is. You would think they're going to get something across the finish line eventually. Just God knows what it looks like.

I mean, they're really pushing, and hats off to Congress this week. You could have done this long ago, but hats off to Congress. They are saying they want to finish it by this weekend. And that would be important for the country. But once, you know, the clock has already started because it looks like it's going to pass, this budget, which adds to our debt. And

That's just going to start the clock. It's a race to the finish. Is the dollar going to lose value and are debt going to keep going up at such a rate that nobody wants to buy our bonds anymore so we can't finance and we're paying out-of-control interest rates? Or is that happening and we're balancing it out because the entrepreneur and the small businessman is growing at such a rate of speed that the economy is producing more taxpayers?

But that is – boy, I've never seen anything this close to the edge. It's a little terrifying. Yeah. And there's a lot of stuff in there that, you know, look, we wouldn't like. I mean, a good chunk of the Inflation Reduction Act Green New Deal-style spending is just left in there. I mean, I know. But, you know –

This is just what I guess they feel like they have to do. As we said, it is difficult to get these things over the finish line with these small majorities. And you had some Republicans that didn't like the bill just not show up at all. Some of them just voted present. A couple of no's. Thomas Massey, I know, was one of them. You know, there's massive problems with the bill, but...

Again, Donald Trump wanted a deal, and this is kind of what he goes after. I don't think he cares about every individual part of this. He wants to get the big stuff over the finish line, and I think that's where he is. I want to talk about something else, and I think we disagree on this. There's a new report out that shows that members, I think it's of the NIH, hid and then tried to cover up the fact that they knew that there were

real bad side effects to the vaccines and this is now documents have been produced that show that they knew it in advance and they covered it up and I personally think these people are going to jail I think the DOJ is going to prosecute them I think you're going to see I think you're going to see handcuffs on COVID in the next couple of weeks

But you don't agree with that, do you? I will be surprised if you see. I mean, maybe there could be some. I mean, it's not impossible. I haven't seen every single allegation against each individual person. I'll be surprised, though, if the Trump DOJ is going to go,

You know, after, you know, again, this is a vaccine that was Trump bragged about as one of his central accomplishments of his first term. So I don't know that he's going to see the results the same way. Now, if you have somebody who's lying, like we've seen some people lying. We're talking about cover up. Yeah. I mean, but inside of that cover up is, is, is the, the, the,

view that the vaccine is incredibly dangerous to people, which does not seem to be a position that Donald Trump holds. Now, of course, in theory, he's not micromanaging every single thing that the DOJ does, but I mean, I think they also do have a sense as to what his views are on a lot of these matters. So we'll see. I mean, you might be right on it. I wouldn't be completely shocked. There certainly are people in and around this apparatus that have done things. We've seen the emails around Fauci, for example, that I think are

absolutely blatant crimes. So some of this could happen, but I don't know. If you're going to say over-under arrests for vaccines killing people in the next few weeks, two and a half, I'd take the under. Okay, let me...

There's a couple of other stories. We've talked about the Israeli diplomats that were shot and killed by a guy from Chicago who was literally a Marxist communist radical that was, you know, free Palestine. And that guy is in jail and...

He's going to be tried, I think, in Washington, D.C., which doesn't make me feel real good. But there's also, and this is another huge story, I think. We now apparently have a whistleblower who is a very high, this is a quote, high, high level whistleblower.

a Democrat party member that is involved at the highest levels. And he has come out or she has come out as a whistleblower on three people in the white house that this whistleblower says was not only involved in, uh, hiding all of the conditions, but also they were, um, profiting off of the auto pin, uh,

If that is true, you're going to see handcuffs on that as well, which would be really good for the republic. Really good. And congratulations to the Democratic operative, if you will, the high-level Democrat, who

Of course they did say, uh, Susan Rice, they said is the reporter said, is Susan Rice involved at all? He's like, no, definitely not. Susan Rice, definitely not. Which makes me think it was Susan Rice that was like, you know, wearing a mustache. No, definitely not. Not Susan Rice. She's a great one. I don't know. But, uh, we'll have to see where this goes, but I think those are two really big pieces. Um,

that are really important that show the direction of the DOJ and the FBI. You know, in a week where we, you know, we looked at the DOJ and the FBI at the beginning of the week and like, wait a minute, now you're starting to see some other things that say, well, wait, hold on. Now let's see them in handcuffs, but I think they're coming.

All right, remember that guy in the 80s who walked around with a cell phone the size of a dog crate, wearing the suit with the shoulder pads and hair sprayed into a helmet, yelling into his giant plastic brick with an antenna that could pick up radio signals from Jupiter? Yeah, that guy. You ever wonder what his monthly phone bill ever looked like? Somewhere between a second mortgage and a luxury sedan, I think. And here's the kicker.

Probably even back then, part of that bill was going to companies who didn't have your support, my support, maybe that guy's support for good values. And it's still true today. Except now the phone fits in your pocket and the funding is even worse. Many of the big mobile phone providers use your money to support abortion, radical politics, and an agenda that flat out opposes abortion.

You know, the left's got a roadmap straight off a cliff.

Let's take the right trail. Glenn Beck returns shortly.

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