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What are the chances that Barack Obama is having an affair with Jennifer Aniston? Well, we bring some new information to the table and it's kind of fun. It's kind of fun. I mean, unless you're Big Mike. One of the biggest Supreme Court rulings of all time dropped today, bigger than the Dobbs decision, and Stu hustled over to give us the latest on location. You won't want to miss that.

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You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program. You know, I'm used to a higher quality, a higher caliber of listener, quite honestly. I asked two whole minutes ago for somebody to write some country lyrics based on that commercial I was doing where I mentioned pieces of you.

And I got a bunch of lyrics, but it took two whole minutes. And they're not sung. None of this is sung. I mean, you can't put it through the GPT and, I don't know, set it to music? You're just going to send me the lyrics? All right, whatever. Well, let me just give you the lyrics then.

Your old guitar is still leaning in the hall, strung with pieces of you. I can't forget it all. The worn-out pick you left on the bedside stand holds pieces of you like the callus on my hand. This old porch swings with the weight of your ghost, every creaking memory I'm missing the most. I'm holding on to pieces of you, breaking up in my heart, shattered like the rear view on your Chevy in the yard.

That doesn't really work. Every faded cord, every dream you used to chase carries pictures of you I can't bear to erase. Yeah, I'm living with pieces of you. We are going to be fat imbeciles soon.

I mean, we already are. We're going to be fatter and more imbecilic soon. Everything is, I mean, it's crazy what AI can do now. Did you hear the study that they did on essays of like students writing essays?

They had three groups of students and they had them write essays with like brain activity monitors on them. And one group had to write it just like, you know, old, old school. One group could use Google.

And then one group could use chat GPT for assistance and every, every, yeah, almost no brain activity at all in the chat GPT group by like the third series of essays. They just had totally turned over their entire thinking process and,

uh, to chat GPT. And I mean, I, I, we, the idiocracy thing, they didn't use chat GPT or anything similar to, to build that future. But it's a central part of that story. I think that we missed in the prequel of that movie. So amazing. So amazing. But don't worry. It's just right around the corner. Did you see what the Amazon said? Amazon's like, yeah. Um,

We're going to be replacing all the people here soon. It's like, wait, what? Not a huge surprise. We need you to move closer to your team so you can all be together so we can then liquidate you when the machines arrive.

I think it's the same message they send to Iranian leaders in Israel. We need you guys to all move closer together. It's a trap. They said...

There's another new study out on AI that said that Republicans are using it more. Now, I don't know what that says about us, that it was just saying there's no brain activity, so I'm not trying to insult conservatives. But I thought that was interesting in that I feel like usually conservatives are slower to adopt brand new technologies like that. And it seems like we are using GPT more. I don't know.

We're more entrepreneurial. Yeah. And if you use it as a tool, it is remarkable what it can do. Yeah. I mean, I'm not actually here. This is just a large language program. In your case, very large. It's an OLM. It's an overweight language model. Oh, man. All right. Let me change the subject. Let me go to former First Lady Michelle Obama. Now,

I just want you to put yourself in Barack's shoes for a minute. You know, they're the ones right underneath Jennifer Aniston's bed. Just try those on for a minute. And how would you feel if your wife said these words? Thank you so much. She said in an interview, thank you so much, Mrs. Obama. And she said, oh, Mrs. Obama, that's too many syllables. Now, my logical question there would be, do you...

Do you have a rule that you generally go with on the number of syllables in people's names? What is the... Too many syllables in Mrs. Obama. Oh, okay. She said, you know, I was trying to... I'm just Michelle. I'm not Mrs. Obama. You know, and I was trying to do that when I was first lady because I just think I'm not in that position. I'm just Michelle. Well...

But technically, in the eyes of God and the state of Illinois, I think you are in that position. Isn't that what happens when you get married? I mean, you might want to call yourself, I don't know, whatever your first or your last name was before you got married. Maybe you could say that, but like she's saying, I'm not in that position. I'm not. I don't like to remember that I'm married. I mean, wouldn't that be a problem if you were married to Michelle Obama?

Your wife came to you, Stu. And people were like, Mrs. Stu is here now. And she said, oh, I do not want to be called Mrs. Stu because I am not in that position.

Yeah. Wouldn't you be a little like concerned? Would you pull her aside after? What exactly did you mean by that? Yeah. Seemed like a deeper conversation is necessary because it's not even like, oh, that's too formal. Right. Like somebody might say that. Right. Or like you hear people say, Mr. Beck. And it's like, oh, well, that's actually my father. I'm Glenn. You know, that kind of typical thing. That's not what she's going for when she says I'm not in that position.

Yeah. She's not the first lady. Right. Wasn't first lady Obama. Not in that position. Right. No, it was Mrs. Obama. Okay. Then in the same interview, she goes on and she says, the interviewer was like, you know...

You guys should have thrown a boy in there in your family. You know, we should have had a boy. And she said, oh, I am glad we didn't have a son because he would have turned out exactly like Barack. Wait, what? I don't think these are rumors anymore about their marriage. That's...

I mean, that would have been. And then the interviewer said, baby Barack, that would have been amazing. And she said, no, I would have felt for him. I mean, I have four children. Three of them are girls. And I love the fact that they're so much like their mom. I mean, I love that. Now, we didn't want to have a son because he would have been just like Glenn.

Wait, honey. I mean, I kind of agree with you, but I'd like a little more information on what you mean by that. Yeah, because I could see saying something like that in a self-deprecating way. Maybe you could say like, look, I'm concerned of all the media attention or that he beheld to some...

standard to follow a former president like i don't know maybe did she explain it at all or did she just kind of leave it at that i just don't want to be like that i don't want to be like him and don't you ever say i'm in the position of being married to that bastard oh she's big mike for a reason do you believe the jennifer aniston thing is that any part of you that buys that

I buy that a little, I mean, just a little more than the big Mike thing. But there are days that I go back and forth. I'm like, oh, I don't know. I think she's more big Mike than the odds. The odds are more in favor that she's big Mike. That's a difficult standard we're measuring there. And maybe, you know, you could literally measure it. I don't know. Right. I will say the...

I'm saying like, do you actually believe that Barack Obama is having an affair with Jennifer Aniston? Yeah, I think there's a good chance of that. When you say good chance, are you saying 10%? Are you saying 60%? No, I don't know. I mean, I'm not Las Vegas. I don't know what the odds are, but I think over 50%. I think that's reasonable. Over 50%.

The only thing that would stop that from being true, I think, is if she were attracted to him. Is she attracted to him? Has she ever said anything about him? So you think he's in? She's hot. And if you've been married to Big Mike your whole time, it's like, hey, get off me. You know, I mean, I would go for...

Phoebe, you know, at that point, I mean, be like, whatever. I mean, is Madeline Blanc available? Wait, so I am, as you know, I do like numbers and stats and odds. So give me your, the chances, percentage chance that there are real relationship problems in that marriage. 90%. Okay, you're convinced of that, basically.

Yes. Okay. Yeah. I would say 100%, but I do, you know, I'm not there. I could just, but I can read the tea leaves a little bit. All right. Okay. Chances that he is involved with someone else, not someone from the friends, not necessarily Matt LeBlanc. All right. Anybody, any other human being, uh,

Is he involved? I'd say 95%. Wait, didn't he say, wait, so wait, there's, didn't you say 90% for the relationship problem? So you think there's a 5% chance he's got a good relationship but also cheating? Get off me. Comes to mind a lot.

Well, I guess it could be an open relationship too, right? Like maybe they have a wonderful relationship and she's just allowing him. She is. She's like, get off me. Get on to anything else but me. Okay. And then what do you believe the percentage chances are that it is specifically Jennifer Aniston he is having an affair with?

50%. 50%. And you're basing that just on smoke and fire? Like, we've heard an odd amount of reporting about it. She's hot. Okay, if he's not gay, then it's at least 50%. Because she's hot. But, like, why do we believe her? Because there's just been, like, some tabloid reporting on her? We don't believe her. No, we don't believe her. I don't believe her. I just look at him, and I look at her, and I'm like...

You know, he was this big Mike. She comes sauntering into the room and like, I don't know, I might be into it. Barack, he's going for it. Right, but that's a different...

Like, if I said Scarlett Johansson, you could also say he'd also be interested in it. But, like, why do you believe it's her? Why don't you give me the odds of... Give me what are the odds of Scarlett Johansson? About 50%. You think there's a... What are the odds of Barack with anyone... No, I'm not saying... Anyone. 50%. So you're saying you think there's a 50% chance that Barack Obama is hooking up with every attractive celebrity?

Not every, any. And you don't have to say attractive. Okay. I'm glad you left it at celebrity, though, because that goes either way. You know what I mean? All right. 50%. Okay. You've laid it out. That's reasonable. I'm not sure I understand exactly, you know, because I feel like.

There is this like... Bizarre... Under... Under brush fire... Uh... With giving us a little smoke... In the... In the forest... Uh...

uh that just it's always her and like i don't know if there's any evidence of this but like when you see a bunch of stories and people keep writing about the same thing over and over and over and over again and like tabloids and rumors you start to wonder is there actually something here do we just wake up one day and they just announce a divorce and he's just hanging out on red carpets with jennifer aniston

I would just like to say this is more time than I have spent thinking about those two for my entire life. Okay. And it's more time. We've now spent more time than I care to think about them anymore. Can we go back to the tape and see who brought up this story twice? Is there a way to... Do we have recordings of this program? Who introduced this story to the program twice today? Two nights.

I'm not saying I didn't bring it up. I didn't say I wasn't the one bringing it up, but I just want you to know, it's like, why do you believe? I don't know. I haven't thought about this at all. It's not that important. ♪

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Joe, welcome to the program. How are you?

Thanks for having me, Glenn. You bet. It's great to have you. I mean, you used to work for the Epic Times, and you guys just, I think you tear it up over there. I think really some good reporting over there. And you also co-wrote and appeared in three January 6th-related documentaries, and you told the real story there, and you also wrote for the Wisconsin State Journal and the Chicago Tribune, so it's nice to have you on board at the Blaze. Let me ask you, Joe, what's your favorite

What do you find creepy or suspicious about this guy that nobody's paying attention to that just tried to kill a bunch of people and did kill some along with the No Kings movement?

Well, the more we learn about him, the less this entire thing makes sense. I mean, he has a very unusual backstory. He's worked a lot in the food industry, companies like Del Monte and Gerber in production, safety, supervising the plants and keeping everything clean and safe, and he's

probably moved around the country at least a dozen times in the past 20 years with his jobs. But he also has a background as a preacher, which we're just finding out a little bit more about that. I have a story out this morning about that.

that he has traveled around the world uh... at least in part uh... is a preacher christian preacher who uh... who had uh... studied at a uh... an institute there in in dallas and he spent africa he's talked about uh... going to the middle east and he

uh... in the west bank and uh... and gaza in talked about going there to vote deep basically a missionary to radical islamists and to tell them that is he put it on one of his website so that violence isn't the answer

Now, that's an interesting thing for him to say. I talked to Robert Spencer from Jihad Watch, and he said if he actually did that, he's fortunate to be alive, because typically if you proselytize, that's a death sentence in Islam. So he said if he actually did that, he would have been killed.

killed or taken hostage unless they saw him, as he put it, unless they saw him as a fool and they just cut him a break and left him alone. But he's also preached in the Democratic Republic of the Congo several times in an evangelical Christian church there.

And we came across a very interesting video of him talking about his story of his awakening to Christianity. But he was so excited about talking about Christ, he put his arms out almost like a bird and was flying around the stage saying, you know, what Jesus has done for me, and whoo-hoo! It's not what you'd expect out of a...

We have the Del Monte guy going around then preaching around the world and preaching the opposite things he seemed to have. Did he become mentally ill? And then before we get to that question, when did he become involved in politics with Tim Walz and everything else?

Well, he was appointed to a governor's workforce development council, first by Governor Mark Dayton, who was a Democrat, and then Tim Walz. Of course, we all know Tim Walz. He appointed him to a similar group, and he spent about nine years on these boards. These are advisory councils that typically... Was this when he was a preacher or when he was with Del Monte? Del Monte.

Well, you know, actually some of this stuff overlapped and it was all going on at the same time. Okay. And

And he's got other ventures that were going on. This guy is really a puzzle, but he did get appointed to these two commissions by Democratic governors. And so we've looked around to try to find out if there is, aside from that, if there are any indicators that this was a political man.

We know he was pro-life. He was opposed to abortion. He spoke about that. But we did not find any indication of political donations, either federally, state, or local, that he gave donations to any political party or candidate.

The newspaper in Oklahoma City claims that he was a registered Republican when he lived in Muldrow, Oklahoma. But the voting system folks out there say they don't keep records back that far anymore. And the article did not state...

where they got the information. They didn't link to any proof of it. So that seems fairly soft. So we just don't have a lot to go on outside of this wild backstory with all these different jobs. You know, he ostensibly ran a security company called Praetorian Guard Security Services, which

And he had several vehicles that were kitted out as squad cars, basically. You'd see these in different cities, you know, Pinkertons and other security companies. Yeah, yeah.

So he had several of those, and undoubtedly where he got his equipment that he was wearing the night that he committed these shootings, and he was dressed up as a police officer. Creepy mask. Okay, so hang on. So we don't know if this guy had a political agenda one way or another on the...

he seemed to attack the Democrat that was the one that was bucking the extreme, you know, left, uh, of her party. Um, is there, is there any rhyme or reason of, of, uh, or pattern on the people that were on his kill list? Well,

Well, you know, that's one of the only tells that we have, is that he kept both in the vehicle that he was driving that night and in a room that he rented for his job, that

they found notebooks handwritten notebooks and in his car there was a what what the f_b_i_ concluded was a hit list and there were more than fifty names on it and as far as i can tell i haven't finished checking every single one of them but that these were all democrats uh... not just minnesota politicians but also uh... in iowa illinois and wisconsin

And he had lists of Planned Parenthood locations and officials in Minnesota on this list. And, of course, the list did include Alyssa Hortman, the former House speaker who was assassinated along with her husband and the family dog. So, you know, that list was very lopsided. And we know that he went...

Are they hard left? Are they maybe mealy-mouthed people that are... I don't know. She seemed to be somebody who was bucking the system that the Democrats would want. So it's not like this was a hardcore...

This seems like somebody who actually had a conscience is trying to do something that they really believed in. So why was she on the list? Or can you tell? Have you looked at the politicians names to be able to see any pattern on voting patterns or anything?

Well, in her case, and this got almost no attention in the corporate press, within the past two weeks before her death, there was a key vote in the legislature in Minnesota that would strip the subsidized health care for adult illegal aliens away.

And that was a very close vote, and it turns out she was the deciding vote and the only one to cross party lines to put that legislation over the top. And so that certainly didn't endear her to the left because that's kind of a sacred cow. And so come January 1st next year, adult illegal aliens will no longer have access to the subsidized

or free health care. So that was a big vote, and that's something you certainly have to put into the equation here and see if that provides any sort of motive. But he really didn't

have any visible interest in state politics that we can see. So, you know, there's lots of intrigue, but, you know, he hasn't made statements to people that, you know, so-and-so, I just can't stand this person, or on the other side, you know, whether he was his childhood friend, saying that he was a

a Trump voter, but we don't have any... Minnesota's an open primary state, so there's no records that we could check on that. It's just a lot of soft information, and I have a feeling that when this is all said and done, his story and the explanation is going to go a lot deeper.

You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck podcast. Hear more of this interview and others with the full show podcast available wherever you get podcasts. Welcome to the Glenn Beck program. My digital friend, Jason is here, uh, who is, uh, an actual real life human being and has been watching the middle East and the world and everything else. He's our head writer, uh, for the TV show and a head researcher also for, uh,

for the company and uh we're glad that you're here jason thank you well thank you i still feel like i'm going to bring down the mood we have going here but no we have a little t1 of brass is that right sarah right yeah oh there we go can't bring down a room on a friday while talking about iran with this behind you so go ahead that's just perfect uh up to three aircraft strike groups are on their way uh to the middle east right now wait wait wait

three more. Because we have two there now, right? Two there. One's coming. So we'll have a total of three. Usually when we have three or four, something's about to go down. Three is a lot in that area. That's a lot of ordnance. But to make it even better on this cheery morning, up to 20 Global Master and C5M Galaxy Strategic Heavy Lift Transports are also on their way over the Middle East. So the Galaxy, there's C5s?

C-5M, yeah, Galaxy, and C-17A. Those are those huge, huge planes, right? Ginormous is the actual military term for that. Okay, well, thank you very much for that. I'm glad we're at the technical terms on that. And if you're wondering what those aircraft usually take, it's personnel, munitions, anti-air support vehicles can fit onto these things. Lots of great 4th of July fun can be on these aircraft. We might lose the finger!

Don't hold on to those munitions while you launch them. So this usually... I mean, I haven't seen that happen outside of preparing for war. Have you? No. Let's put a caveat on that because we...

You reported the news yesterday that the president had chosen a plan. So the military commanders came and said these are different options. You pick one. The president has picked one, according to sources. So this is probably just getting ready if they ever have to say, okay, go. So they're getting everything, all the assets in place if they need them.

Yeah. Well, we've also heard that the president wants at least up to a couple more weeks to figure out, you know, if we're going to do this diplomatic thing or not. So we're not saying it's happening. No, wait, wait, wait. They are meeting with us now. Yeah. The... The... The... Yeah. So they're meeting and still having, trying to negotiate. But Donald Trump is doing what he did last time and saying, we'll give you 60 days. This time he said, 14 days. I'm going to give you two weeks. Yeah.

To negotiate, which is shockingly about the right amount of time needed to get all the munitions and the aircraft carriers and anything else that we would need over in that region. Now, this is starting to mess with fuel prices, in particularly diesel. Yep, I see.

So global gas prices are already, oil prices are already up 10%. But diesel, and I hadn't even really been looking at that until you even mentioned that earlier this morning. Diesel is actually up 15% globally. But if you look at specific areas like Europe, diesel is up 30%, 30%. So the reason why diesel would be up is because that fuels our economy.

our aircraft carriers it fuels our tanks it fuels uh our trucks it fuels uh our trains everything that we need to move large amounts of anything around is all in diesel and gas will eventually go up but uh everybody is starting to stockpile diesel just in case because there wasn't there a crash another one of these mysterious oh our gps went out on a

on the deck of the bridge there, and we got two, I think, two large tankers, right? Yes, so right off the coast of Oman, yeah.

We started seeing this on Tuesday, and it was actually crazy. And you talked yesterday about overreaction. And everyone was immediately saying, because they were looking at satellite imagery and seeing these two giant fires. They were right there, right next to the Straits of Hormuz. And they were thinking that, oh, now maybe Iran pivoted and now they're shutting down the Straits. Right. Well, what we're seeing now is that that was a crash between two oil tankers.

And this is kind of interesting. Listen to this quote I'm reading out of the New York Times. This is a quote from one of the experts in the region in ship tracking. Said, So they're getting different information. The ships think they're in one area, but they're actually in another.

This is clear spoofing. That seems like a happier word to say. Sabotage. Electronic warfare is another extremely happy thing to say. But these are the things that we need to start looking at, especially if you and your family are thinking about supporting maybe strikes over there. Just to equip you with all the knowledge, Iran won't just...

attack or counterattack on military bases, things like that. We have to look asymmetrically. Shutting down the Straits of Hormuz, either electronic warfare or kinetic warfare, is something they would do. And these diesel prices we're seeing now, a 30% global increase, is just the start. Can you go back in the files, even if you have it in your head? Did we ever do anything on the ability for Iran to be able to strike at our internal infrastructure here?

So we've looked at certain claims. You talk about electronic warfare and malware. Being able to shut down our power grids or whatever. So they've already shown capability to do that against Saudi Arabia, shutting down some of their oil capability. They definitely have the capability. I'm not sure how prepared we are for that, but they definitely do have the capability. But we also have to look at other asymmetrical ways which they could respond if we get involved in this and

And I remember right when this happened, I said, I bet Kash Patel and Dan Bongino will have no sleep until this is over because we don't know how many Iranian assets, Hezbollah, IRGC, that we actually have in the country. But news came out today that said the Trump administration is boosting monitoring of possible Iran-backed cells in the U.S.,

So they are actively looking for this. They're concerned about this. And we should be concerned about that, too, because if this does kick off, we get involved. These are possibilities that we have to consider. Okay. Hang on just a sec. I want to go. Stu is at the Supreme Court. Oh, wow. Wow, that's weird. Stu, are you there? Hey, guys. Hey.

Did you just run to the Supreme Court? Yeah. Yeah, wow. As you know, they do not allow phones inside the Supreme Court. So I'm just getting out. I'm sorry to bring it in. I know you're talking about whatever you're talking about, but they're releasing the Supreme Court decisions. And, you know, that always happens in this hour of the program.

And I wanted to make sure we got this to you as soon as possible. Yeah, so you've done this before when you broke in about reversing Roe versus Wade and some of these other things. So we want to break in. You have something really important? Yeah, yeah. Because usually that's what happened with Roe versus Wade. Usually it's right at the end of the term, as you know. Yeah.

and we get these as the last decisions in the Supreme Court term. The big ones, they usually save till the end, but not the case today. We have the big one. This is the big one we all expected to

to come down from this particular term, McLaughlin Chiropractic Associates versus McKesson Corp. And, you know, we've been talking about this for a very long time. As we all know, Glenn, the Telephone Consumer Protection Act protects

Okay.

violation. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Did I slip through a time tunnel? Are we in 1995 all of a sudden? This is a current Supreme Court decision. This just came down. As we know, McKesson Corporation sent unsolicited fax advertisements through a subsidiary

in 2009 and 2010. And this was, of course, two medic McLaughlin chiropractic associates. And the issue here, Glenn, was the determination whether does an unsolicited fax advertisement coming in, can you block those just from analog fax machines or does it also apply to digital?

no facsimile services. And we now have a ruling on this, not whether that would be appropriate or not, but what agency would oversee if that was appropriate or not. And we now, I'm sorry, do you have a specific question you wanted to address here? Yeah, I do. I don't think I've seen a fax machine since like 2001.

So I didn't realize this was as urgent for the Supreme Court. I didn't know. Has this been a backlog? Is this a backlog case that was filed in like 1993 and they're just getting to it? When I was running for the Supreme Court, it did appear that I went through a wormhole where fax machines were relevant. And I don't know if that's...

If that's affecting my reporting here today, but this is an actual Supreme Court ruling that just came out today in 2025. Well, it's good that you're reporting it on a landline. That's true. I am.

By the way, Glenn, just to let you know, if you're looking to send any unsolicited fax advertisements, you're still okay to do that for the moment. We don't have a ruling from a lower court that is going to say whether digital fax machines are included in this and whether we- So wait, so wait, so wait. The Supreme Court wanted to send it back to a lower court.

So they deferred making a decision immediately.

On this one. Yeah, to be clear, Glenn, we still don't know if you will be able to send digital faxes to people when they are unsolicited. That we don't know. That's in the future, Glenn. In 2037, we expect to have another ruling that will teach us as to whether we can send fax machine messages digitally. We just don't know at this time.

Somebody is sitting down at their kitchen table tonight with their family and like, I won that fax machine thing today. That argument that I put in front of the Supreme Court, I won it. I mean, I just took him out. I sent it to a lower court. They couldn't even decide. They were like, I don't know. He had such a good case on fax machines. I had to send it to a lower court. Do we know where John Roberts came down on this? Yes, Glenn. This was a, I believe a 7-2 decision. Uh,

Kagan with the dissent. I know if you want, I can read the entire thing. Let me start. No, I think we're good. I don't think we need to hear either side on that one. Thank you. Kagan, Sotomayor, and Justice Taji Brown Jackson, who probably was born after fax machines were extinct.

It's on that side of the rule. Thank you. Thank you very much, Stu. I appreciate it. Glad we got that in. Forget about that Iranian thing. We still don't really know digital advertising on fax machines, but we'll keep following this story no matter how long it takes to get to the bottom of it. I am, I can't tell you, I have to apologize and correct a horrible, horrible, horrible reporting job. I have to expose...

Stu, for when he was giving us the facts with a CTS about the facts with an X, he left out the actual facts with a CTS. And...

I'm sorry, Stu, but this is unacceptable. You apparently were just... You failed to mention how important fax machines are. I mean, and that is actually true. They're very widely used, apparently, still in our medical field and the government. But it was an unnecessary detail. You failed to mention that it's actually more secure than email. I did fail to mention... Mainly because nobody else uses them. What? I did fail...

uh to mention that um intentionally yes and why did you do that stew why did you feel it was necessary to leave out those cts facts it felt like it might ruin the bit if i just went into the actual facts so comedy was more important to you than the actual ruling and the import of this ruling

Wow. Well, can I tell you something? I apologize for Stu to this audience and I'm going to show you and I don't ever usually do this, but I'm going to show you how deeply this bothers me when somebody does something like this. Stu, you're suspended for the next two days. You finish out today's show and then get your stuff and you're not back in that building for two days. Okay. Wow. Are you sure?

I am positive. Are you sure you don't need three or four days? No, two days. Just two. It's a very hard, fast rule with me. Okay. It's a two-day suspension on Fridays. Well, as long as... Darn it. First of all, I will say, this audience knows more about that actual fax case than anyone else in America that was not involved in it. So right there, we've already advanced, I believe, the reporting in a positive direction. And I am fine with your suspension, assuming...

you will at least acknowledge I was calling in from the Supreme Court. As long as you will acknowledge that fact. Oh my gosh! You weren't even doing that, but you were on a landline, which is very hard to find right now. Yes, I am on the last landline connected to the last analog fax machine. That all happened. I don't want to see you here Saturday or Sunday, I'll tell you that right now. You step on that property and I'm going to have you escorted. Well, I won't be here either.

But I'm not suspended. I'm the suspender. You're the suspendee. And you're suspended.

By the way. In an hour or so, maybe a couple hours, you get out of that building. If I could just throw in that it actually is a really positive ruling and that it's no more deference to federal agencies. So it actually is a good ruling after all of that. It's a positive. My gosh, I feel like I've been lied to. No, it's true. I feel like I'm in a Lifetime movie. It's about fax machines. I'm rocking back and forth in the shower and I can't get clean. What else? What else are you going to do to violate me? My gosh. See you Monday. Na, na, na, na.

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