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Stu has predicted this fallout seemingly, seemingly, you know, unknowing of what was going to happen. Not involved at all, but nails it almost to the day.

He said these two would have a fallout. Stu, you want to admit this now to the American people? I don't think I caused anything. It was just a wild guess, Glenn. Wild guess. Literally, almost to the day, Stu. Yeah. Almost to the day. I was tracing it back. We were in a group text and we did a...

I mean, it was right after the election. It was like November 13th. And we were just saying like, hey, we're really excited about this, you know, Musk-Trump partnership. Think a lot could come out of it, but I'm a little nervous, you know, because of a couple of big egos and everything. And so we decided to do a bet and we all decided to predict the day of the demise of the relationship. Not excited about it, but wondering. And my pick was May 29th.

So within just a few days of the actual flare up, if you will. So you're saying you may have let it go a few extra days just so we couldn't. We weren't positive you were the one.

Well, I mean, technically, it is basically when he left the White House, the actual... It's incredible. It's pretty amazing. It's tough. You know, it just fundamentally at the core of this, Glenn, there's so much good that could come out of this relationship, but man, there are a couple of big personalities and it's just a tough thing to keep balanced. Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean, here's the deal. They're both kings of their own castles, you know? They're both...

They're both used to getting their way. They're both very, very smart. They, you know, they're, they're, they're both disruptors of everything. And, you know, they're not, not really predictably friends at any given point. But I mean, you know, we have had, we have had these moments where,

before in our history where great men come together that shouldn't really come together. For instance, John Adams and Jefferson, I'll tell you that story later, they loved each other. Then they hated each other. Then they loved each other again at the end. And I mean, if you think yesterday was like, oh yeah, well, let me tell you who's molesting children. You think that was bad. You should have heard Jefferson and Adams. They went at each other with

I mean with giant knives. What happened yesterday between Musk and Trump was child's play in comparison. This is a bad day for us and America. It really was. The shareholders were panicking because Donald Trump later came in and said, you know what a way to cut the budget is we'll just cut all of the federal contracts. Now, I'm sure he didn't mean that. Maybe he did in the moment, but he's not going to do that. We're a meritocracy.

Elon Musk is the best guy to have federal contracts when it comes to anything space related. Okay. SpaceX has billions in Pentagon and NASA funding now in the crosshairs. Come on. No, no. Now, foreign leaders were watching all of this with popcorn. China sees division. The EU sees opportunity and everyday Americans were watching billionaires brawl.

where, you know, a rent is still climbing. The irony here is for all of the hatred, Trump and Musk are mirror images. They're both outsiders. They're both rule breakers. Each thinks he alone can fix it. Each court's chaos like a gambler itching just for that last bet, you know? And in a strange way, maybe each is the only person who could truly destroy the other.

but it's not just a feud this is a fracture in the allegiance of disruption and the aftershocks are going to ripple through politics and tech and the economy for months if it doesn't end hopefully it is over they're supposed to have a phone call today everybody got clearer heads but i'll tell you this when kings turn on it on each other it's the court that burns first then the kingdom

It's not good. And we need both of these guys. So let me just pass a message on to everybody, all of us who are in the storm right now and to the men inside the storm. There is a reason why the entire world watches what you two guys say.

Because you are, without question, the most disruptive, consequential individuals of our time. Both of you. And not because you're always right, but because history from time to time needs a battering ram. And that battering ram showed up with a red tie. And when the world needs a new frontier, the other one showed up in a t-shirt. And then you guys came together. Trump is a

bulldozer. I call him a human hand grenade to his face. He's a human hand grenade. He just throws himself into a room, goes off. And then you're like, wait a minute. As the dust clears, you're like, what's behind that wall? I mean, it's amazing to watch him. He is a bulldozer who has been

who just bulldozed and blew up the cartel of polite corruption. And he did what no other politician could do. He exposed the system, he unmasked the media, and he gave voice to everybody who feels like nobody's listening to me. His strength is his will. The guy does not blink, he doesn't sleep, he doesn't stop, he doesn't yield.

When the world demanded a warrior, this guy shows up already armored, ready to go. Musk is an unbelievable visionary who has escaped the current gravitational pull of, nah, it's good enough. He defied all of the inertia of big tech, big auto, big government. His strength, like the strength of the other, it's also vision.

And he'll see around corners most of us don't even know that they exist. So does Donald Trump. Donald Trump has this gut on him that is unbelievable. Musk has this vision of what things can be like in the future.

And Musk just won't sit down. He won't give up. And he builds all those things that everybody else is like, we should write a Star Trek episode about that technology. And then he goes out and builds it. And while others are betting on quarterly earnings, he bets on the future of mankind. Now, they don't think the same. They don't even speak the same language half the time. But

That's why they matter and are so good together. And that's why they can't cancel each other out. Stop it. Trump is the best street fighter I've ever seen. And both of them understand the short and the long game. But Trump understands Washington and Elon doesn't. I can't tell you that Trump fully understood Washington in the first term, but he does now.

And I am against this big beautiful bill, all of the spending. However, as I told you three weeks ago, we are in this horrible trap right now. You can't cut the amount of spending when state, federal, and local governments are responsible for 45% of our GDP.

If you kick the legs out from underneath that, everything plunges. You have to do it slowly. But beyond that, what Elon Musk doesn't understand is, and Trump didn't get this the first time, but he does this time. There's political realities.

And you have to understand politics in Washington. Why isn't Elon Musk? And I hate to point either of these guys out because I love both of them. I want both of them involved. But why instead of coming after Donald Trump yesterday, why wasn't Elon Musk coming after the Democrats? I mean, there's not one of them that are standing up for fiscal responsibility. Not one. If you could peel away 10 Democrats,

you know, three in the Senate and 10 in the House that were standing with the diehard Republicans and saying, no, we want serious cuts, we'd be able to accomplish something. Why are we cannibalizing ourselves instead of trying to get 10 reasonable people on the other side to join us with the cuts? Why? It doesn't make any sense. Both know how to use social media unlike anybody else.

Both know how to rally support. One is better as a battering ram. The other one is better as a scalpel. But sometimes you need both of those things. And together, they represented something the system fears the most. Creative destruction with a moral spine. Oh, there is nothing. Trust me on this. I've seen it at small scales. These guys are seeing it at the global scale.

Creative destruction with a moral spine is terrifying to those people with power. And what brought them together wasn't friendship. It was a purpose, a shared purpose. Both of them loathe centralized power and centralized incompetence. Both believes the individual still matters. Both believe in freedom of speech. Both believe in equality, not equity.

Both have a willingness to be hated for being right too early. So now, what are we really arguing about? Really? Is this about pride? Is this about I didn't get my way? What is this? Is this wounded trust? I mean, I get it. Both of these guys are used to being right. They're both used to getting things done and not being told no.

That's what makes them so rare. They don't orbit other people. They make their own gravity. Each of them do, which is why they're so important. But if they forget the mission, if they forget that we're standing at the edge of something far bigger than either one of them, we lose more than just a feud between two really important guys. I mean, I know I've talked to the president several times about, you know, hey, this is bigger than me. He has said that to me. He knows everything.

We can't lose our edge. We can't lose our chance. We can't lose our window. So if either of them or their allies are listening, please, you were never meant to be best friends, but you were both born for this moment. And history's not going to ask whether you won the fight, but whether you remembered who the real enemy was. This is not a moment for choosing sides. This is the moment for all of us to choose mission. Back in just a second, let me tell you about Relief Factor.

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Trump praised Space Force, calling it the moon's greatest ally. Musk nodded and said he admired Trump's ability to monetize hats. But then things turned. Trump accused Elon of stealing Wi-Fi from Air Force One. Musk replied, quote, at least my planes don't have golden seatbelts and ketchup stains.

Trump countered by calling him a Martian sociopath with fake kids and robot hair. And then Elon Musk said, you sleep with children! And that's how it escalated yesterday. I mean, it's crazy. I think my teleplay is even more impressive than yours. It's fascinating how that escalated so quickly. I mean, like, you'd think these two people would be able to go back and forth. And, you know, if Trump doesn't like a bill...

or a bill musk doesn't like a bill trump can say you're wrong but hey we're pretty much still on the same side of that and man it it got out of control fast there glenn yeah and this this bull crap about uh epstein if you think the democrats would have sat on anything anything in those epstein files that had donald trump in it come on don't don't be a moron on any of that that is just not right now good news is

Bill Ackman got involved yesterday and he said, you're much stronger together than apart. And Elon Musk last night wrote back, you're not wrong. This is Glenn Beck. All right. Let me tell you about our sponsor here. It's Patriot Mobile. You know, how much does it really matter that a few dollars from your phone bill go to causes that you don't support? I mean, it's just a little, right?

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Okay, now let me tell you the real timeline of what happened yesterday. No more space alien talk. No more joking about what really happened between the two of them. This has been building for a while, but yesterday it just kind of got, it just really kind of got crazy quickly. So when you look at,

What happened? Let me see if I can find this here. Oh, damn it. Did I just lose it again? No, here it is. So in chronological order, this is what happened because Elon had been calling to kill the big, beautiful bill.

So first thing yesterday, Trump is responding to Elon's criticism. Here it is. Listen. Thank you, Mr. President. The criticism that I've seen, and I'm sure you've seen regarding Elon Musk and your big, beautiful bill. What's your reaction to that? Do you think it in any way hurts passage in the Senate, which of course, what is your seeking? Well,

Well, look, you know, I've always liked Elon and it's always very surprised. You saw the words he had for me, the words. And he hasn't said anything about me that's bad. I'd rather have him criticize me than the bill because the bill is incredible.

It's the biggest cut in the history of our country. We've never cut. It's about one point six trillion in cuts. It's the biggest tax cut tax. You would say people people's taxes will go way down. But it's the biggest tax cut in history. It's we have we are doing things in that bill that are unbelievable.

So Russ Vogt, by the way, is going to be on with us here in about 30 minutes. So that was the first thing. And I think that's really mild. I mean, he's just responding to Elon's criticism. Look, I'd rather have him criticize me than the bill because we disagree on it, blah, blah, blah.

And then Elon responds, whatever. Keep the EV solar incentive cuts in the bill, even though no oil and gas subsidies are touched. Very unfair. But ditch the mountain of disgusting pork in the bill. In the entire history of civilization, there has never been legislation that was both big and beautiful. And everyone knows this. Either you get a big and ugly bill or a slim and beautiful bill. Slim and beautiful is the way.

Then, Elon re-upped a bunch of old Trump tweets where he denounced raising the debt limit and then he made a poll. Is it time to create a new political party in America that actually represents 80% in the middle? Yes or no? By this point, now Trump, who is showing tremendous restraint, has to respond. He writes...

Elon was wearing thin. I asked him to leave. I took away his EV mandate that forced everybody to buy electric cars that nobody else wanted. He knew that for months that I was going to do this, and he just went crazy. Then he writes, the easiest way to save money in our budget, billions and billions of dollars, is to terminate Elon's governmental subsidies and contracts. I was always surprised that Biden didn't do it. Me too.

Well Elon responded by threatening to decommission his SpaceX Dragon spacecraft. He says in light of president's statement about cancellation of my government contract SpaceX will be decommissioning its Dragon spacecraft immediately. Now this is crazy. This is crazy. Then

Elon, after he lost a lot of people on this, he writes, time to drop the really big bomb. Real Donald Trump is in the Epstein files. That is the real reason they have not been made public. Have a nice day, DJT. Why would he do this? Why would he do this? Elon says, mark this post for the future because the truth will come out.

Now, Trump, again, who I think was pretty restrained all day compared to Elon Musk.

I don't mind Elon turning against me, but he should have done so months ago. This is one of the greatest bills ever presented to Congress. It's a record cut in expenses, $1.6 trillion, and the biggest tax cut ever given. If this bill doesn't pass, there will be a 68% tax increase. Things get far worse than that. I didn't create this mess. I am just trying to fix it. This puts our country on a path of greatness. Make America great again.

After that, everybody starts to calm down a little bit. Do you happen to have the Linda Yaccarino and David Sachs tweet? Because they both kind of stand up for the big, beautiful bill and saying,

It needs to pass. Now, Yaccarino is what she's a CEO, isn't she? Or is she the president of, I think CEO X CEO of X. And David Sachs is a good friend of Elon Musk. And they're both saying, no, no, no, we've got to pass the big, beautiful bill. So,

Then you have Bill Ackman stepping up. Now, the White House said that they were trying to schedule a call with Elon sometime today to work this out, which if you look at the actual facts, Donald Trump was more restrained than I think I've ever seen him. Would you agree with that, Stu?

Yeah, he did not. I certainly didn't go nuclear like Elon Musk did. No, he did. I mean, he did address it. He did. You know, he started getting a little more critical about Elon, but it was it seemed to be ramping up slowly. And all of a sudden someone dropped nine nuclear bombs onto the battlefield.

Right. Bill Ackman writes, I support real Donald Trump and Elon Musk, and they should make peace for the benefit of our great country. We are much stronger together than apart. Elon writes last night at 927, you're not wrong. So hopefully this is over. But look at the damage that this has done. This has given the left all kinds of ammunition.

You know, nothing but talking points. Elon Musk is never going to be re-embraced by the left. I don't think he really cares about that, but he should care about, you know, we need the guy to survive. He's one of the greatest minds of our day, of our lifetime. He's probably the greatest scientific mind as far as putting things into practical use today.

since Tesla, the first Tesla, you know, the real Tesla. And we have to have that guy, but we also have to have Donald Trump and we have to have a country. Now, I want them to cut more out of this budget, but let's not blow this damn thing up. Let's not blow everything up out of the water. This is not good. Who does this chaos serve?

Certainly not the country, not the Republic, and not anybody who is trying to navigate these crazy waters. Glenn, can we talk for a second about the specific allegation of him being in the Epstein files? Yes. Because it's... Hey, we've already known that, by the way. Yeah.

Yeah. Number one, it's, of course, technically accurate that he's in there. They were friends. Yes. If you're looking at everything that, like every flight on Jeffrey Epstein's plane, you know, Donald Trump flew on the plane. I don't think there's any evidence that he went to the island. Certainly no evidence that he did anything illegal with Jeffrey Epstein. They were friends before these accusations came out. So technically speaking, Elon Musk is saying something that has been well covered in the media already, and

And might protect him from legal consequences because of that tweet. I mean, if they really had a falling out, I mean, Trump sued CBS over their editing of the Kamala Harris interview. Being called a pedophile basically on the internet would, I'm sure, merit a lawsuit if they really had a falling out.

But technically speaking, Musk probably would survive that, likely because, of course, Trump is in there. It's something we've known about for a long time. There's also, by the way, we should note, probably dozens of other completely innocent people that would be in those files. Doesn't mean that everybody that ever interacted with this guy slept with children.

So Musk was releasing these videos of him, you know, and Epstein. And nobody denies that he was around Epstein. Nobody denies that. But what nobody cares to recognize is that as soon as Donald Trump was

you know had an inkling of who this guy was really and had some one of the women you know at his club abused by epstein he cut the friendship kicked him out yeah and said we're done get out i mean you know he was the one guy that i know of the one guy with moral spine around epstein right

And let's not forget that there's Elon Musk pictures with Maxwell. So, I mean, it's a very small circle. Hard to know what's being Photoshopped. I don't even know. Oh, gosh. Are you kidding me? Is that really? I don't know. I just don't know. I've seen photos of that, but I honestly don't know. Mike, I always assume they're fake until I know, but who knows? So bad.

Again, everyone has pictures, you know, especially famous people have pictures. Famous rich people hang out at the same parties. And so who knows? None of that proves anything. And honestly, like if there was something here, and you mentioned this earlier, Glenn, quickly, that if there was something that Donald Trump, there's evidence that he did something wrong with Jeffrey Epstein. I can assure you the Biden administration would have found a way to release that and

And it even speaks poorly of Musk in a way that if there was terrible evidence here, I mean, was he going to just go along and not just he'll be quiet about Trump's sexual abuse of children if the cuts came through the spending bill the way he wanted them? I mean, all of it is absurd. We all know it's not real. It's a couple of guys throwing insults at each other. In this particular case, Trump much more restrained.

than Elon Musk, I would argue, even though, again, lots of positives of Elon Musk, but he's the one that really went nuclear here. And I do hope that cooler heads can prevail because it's good for the country, Glenn. Because I know you've really done your homework on Elon Musk. And he has moments where he's more manic. Is it possible that this is a manic episode?

with Elon? I have, you know, no evidence, not, you know, to be clear, I'm not like accusing anybody of anything. But, you know, to look at, if you read, you know, like the biography, the Isaacson biography about him, there are periods through that time, you know, times where he's sleeping on the floor of the factory, you know,

That type of period, if you remember that period, Glenn, where it does appear that he goes into what you might call a manic state and makes a lot of poor decisions, decisions that wind up really hurting the stock price, tweeting out things that he winds up getting sued for. There are a lot of periods in Elon's life where that type of stuff seems to happen. Add on to that, the New York Times, and again, take it for what it's worth,

Elon Musk has a lot of enemies inside the White House. That's something that you should know. And so we don't know where this came from, but lots of accusations of drug use and things of that nature as well. When you say drug use, it's really ketamine, isn't it? Ketamine was one of the... I think it was more than just that. I can pull the article up. But one of the interesting notes in the article is...

One of the ways the New York Times claims that they made this available to actually be reported, and it wasn't just a rumor that somebody told them, was they had photographic evidence of these pills. Now, go ahead.

How many times has someone that you know taken pictures of your pill box or your pill bottles? Oh my gosh, that happens all the time. This is not something that occurs to normal people that don't have enemies around them, right? Somebody, my speculation is somebody around him saw him taking pills, took pictures of them and sent them to the New York Times.

Supposedly, now the Times is like, oh, his friends are concerned about him. That's their excuse. I don't buy that at all. I don't either. Nobody has friends at that level in Washington, D.C. Nobody. Yeah, especially that would be like, you know what? I'm concerned about Elon. I'm going to leak these photos of his pillboxed.

to the New York Times. Like there's no friend of his who would do that. It's absurd. No, it's somebody who hated his guts or wanted to destroy him and wanted these bad things to come out about him in my estimation. So, you know, could that be true? There could be some truth to it. I don't know.

Could it be that he's in some manic period? Could it just be that he's really frustrated and this is how he operates with everybody else and it's not that big a deal? Most people shrug it off because it's just normal internet drama. When you're doing it to the President of the United States, it takes on a totally different shape. Not good.

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And let's talk to him about the big beautiful bill. You know, geez, Louise, this is just so, you know, just when you think the Democrats are causing so much chaos, our side gets into it. And I don't know about you, but I'm tired of the chaos. I'm tired of the bickering. I'm tired of being told who I'm supposed to hate now.

I don't hate anybody on our side. I'm just trying to get along with everybody. We've got to stick together and move forward. Pray for that. Russ Vogt joins us from the White House, the Office of Budget and Management. He's on with us next. Stand by. This is Glenn Beck.

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Hello, America. Boy, yesterday was just a wild, wild ride. And I hate to see it. It's like, you know, kids don't like to see mommy and daddy fight. And they're both so important. We need both of these guys. But we also need the truth on the big, beautiful bill.

And you know, I believe that there hasn't been enough cutting in there. But I also know that between local, state and federal government, 45% of our GDP is coming from local, state and federal spending. We can't cut until we have the economy really roaring again. We have to be very, very careful. So what's the truth?

on the big beautiful bill. Russell Vogt joins us here in just a second from the Office of Management and Budget. He's the director. He'll give us the straight skinny on this here in just a second. First, let me tell you about our sponsor. Our sponsor this half hour is Lear Capital. Look,

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Russ Vogt, how are you, sir? I'm doing well. Thanks for having me. You bet. It's great to have you on. Yesterday was a tough day. Do you know, has the president had his phone call yet? Are they coming back together?

Well, I think the president made some comments to the press this morning that, you know, he's not looking to have a phone call anytime soon. But, you know, I think he expressed disappointment yesterday with regard to, you know, some of the comments made by Elon. But look.

Glenn, we're moving forward. And, you know, Elon's been an important ally and patriot throughout all of this. And we've got a job to do. And I think that's where we're most focused right now is making sure we can get the word out on this bill, get it across the finish line, make improvements where we can, but get this thing home for the American people.

So I agree with both the president and Elon Musk. I know that there are things in this package that are really important. And I know, you know, I think the president understands that Elon doesn't understand that, you know, politics are involved here. And I don't know why Elon wasn't going after the Democrats and saying, why don't you care some more? Come on, come on, help us. But the president is now putting in a rescission package. What does that mean? And what is that going to do to this bill?

Well, again, two things I would say, just going back to your kind of initial comment there, I think that the argument that the fiscal challenges of the country are so bad and we need to do as much as we can, I think there's alignment. There is a total agreement. I think the issue is how much, and this gets to your second part, how much this bill, this is not a budget bill. People

People get confused because they think it uses a budget process. It is an agenda bill that uses a budget process. It's not a budget resolution. It doesn't give you a comprehensive fiscal picture. It cannot by law.

include cuts to discretionary spending, which are all the DOGE permanent cuts. So that is something that has to be considered elsewhere, and we are in the process of doing that. So we just sent up our first rescissions bill. We will send up more. This one is $9.4 billion. Why is it so small? It's small specifically because of the politics that you mentioned, which is that Congress hasn't passed these bills yet.

And we can do a lot of things ourselves that we don't need Congress. But procedurally, and this is where, you know, you have new people come into the party and the coalition. They don't know the procedures of government. If we don't, if Congress doesn't pass a rescissions bill, we lose the ability to just not spend the money and to use some of our tools that this president is now talking about that we are polishing off that haven't been used since the 1970s to

to just not spend the money. And so we have this whole side of effort on discretionary spending, making the doge cuts permanent, a lot of different ways to do that. We're in the process of doing that. That is another piece of the puzzle fiscally that you would not get from this reconciliation bill. - So why are, I mean, because,

Russ, I know you know this, and I'm an infant compared to the way your understanding is, so please help me understand. But we are up against the wall with a gun to our head when it comes to printing more money or borrowing more money, and we've got to cut this budget. Can you explain to the audience why...

we're uh why um we have to be careful on this uh you we can't just go in and maybe i've seen this wrong but i i don't think we can go in and just uh and just take an axe to everything until we get the economy uh to light the match in the economy am i wrong on this

I don't think you're wrong. I think we can do both, but I think for people, I think it's why the bill is so important. So you cannot have a conversation about reducing debt and deficits when the economy is not going period. End of story. It is vital foundation. Does economic growth get you all of the way to where we need to go? No, it does not. But the notion that you're ever going to reform these big programs like, uh,

that are welfare and the social safety net without a growing economy, you can't impose a work requirement when there are no jobs. So this bill, and this is where our main thing that we're trying to correct factually, if you adjust for CBO's artificial baseline, that...

assumes tax relief will expire. They don't assume that they assume spending is eternal. So green new deal is, uh, and spending through that is assumed, um, to continue or the preparations process, all the woke and weaponized bureaucracy, all of that. But if you have tax components, all of those are presumed to sunset, right? So that is, um,

We've known this for decades, the way that D.C. screws and misassesses our bills. So you've got to pass this. Otherwise, we're going to have a recession. That said, this bill actually cuts spending. It has $1.7 trillion in savings, reduces the deficit by $1.4 trillion. It is the biggest...

mandatory savings proposal in history. In the 1997s, we were only talking with the work requirements and Bill Clinton and the Republican Newt Gingrich House. We were talking about $800 billion in savings. Has the problem gotten worse? Yes, it has, but this is historic levels. And that's not even talking about the Doge cuts.

And so I think we can do all of them, but we've got to kind of figure out what's this bill doing? What's the maximum that we can do it? The art of the possible is a three seat majority in the house and the Senate. We are willing to go further, but we also know the bill has to pass.

And those are small majorities. This is not 20-seat majorities. And that's a real political constraint that you reflected earlier. But I'm very bullish. Glenn, I think at the end of this year, if this bill passes and

and the cuts are maintained in it, we can end the year with a paradigm shift on mandatory spending and a paradigm shift on discretionary. We might have the first chance to actually cut non-defense spending by serious levels through the ability to just not spend money

or to send up rescissions that don't need a congressional affirmative vote on through pocket rescissions, that would dramatically change. And here's the thing. It would lead to results. What has caused the problem we have is fiscal futility. Nothing can, we only get any wins, let alone big wins. This is giving us big wins. And I think it's why we're going to be able to change the trajectory this year. The argument against that is it's raising the debt ceiling by $4 trillion and

So why do you say we can raise the debt ceiling, add another $4 trillion in debt, and yet at the end have a big win by the end of the year? What is in this bill that is not connecting here? Okay.

So any bill that you would have ever had, your Republican study committee budget, Rand Paul's budget, whatever, no matter what bill you cut cap and balance from yesteryear, any of those bills act over a 10 year period. And so over that 10 year period, you're getting to these low balance levels, right? In the immediate, you, all of them assume that in the short term debt limit, the debt is going up while you make progress. And,

And so the debt limit, the debt ceiling is a warning sign. It itself does not create debt. Now, it is something that historically has been used. The president has views, and we agree that we haven't gotten anything out of the debt limit in 20, 30 years. And so the notion that it should be done outside of reconciliation and Republican votes –

is something that we have been challenging as an administration. It's just like, this is not serving our interest. This bill extends the debt limit, but it does include what historic, if you ever historically got anything from the debt limit extension, it would be what is already in this bill. And that's why we're so excited about this bill. You know, I saw something from Goldman Sachs last week and they said, we are dangerously close to not being able to sell our debt because

And then having to finance ourselves and raise the interest that we're having to pay. Do you have any idea how close we are to that number before this thing? Because I think we're just really on the edge here. Where is that number? How close are we?

I don't think anyone really knows, and I don't think that you can ever know. And I think the fiscal storm clouds have been with us for a long time, and we obviously see the extent to which the problem. No one is arguing back against that, and no one's arguing that back to the critics of

debt and deficit at all. But I think what I would push back a little bit, and I'll add Moody's to the list as well, is that the meta point is true. It's also one that you've been making for 20 years, and the conservative movements have been making, this president's been making. The point is true. The timing of these analysis are, I think, are for a purpose.

And so Moody's could have made that determination 15 years ago in the Obama administration. They chose not to. They chose to do it right before House passage on an agenda bill that has incredible importance to the American people. And I think the president's getting Liz's trust in that vein. And the notion that Goldman Sachs doesn't have a sense about the way the baselines work and the watchdogs is also not true. And so I think what you have going on here is –

The reality of our fiscal situation and people continuing to rightfully educate on that. But I think in the financial community or some of the watchdogs, there is a timing aspect that is specifically designed to use the legitimate concerns to take down a bill that is otherwise fantastic on a dishonest basis. And that's one of the reasons we're working so hard to get our message out.

I know your time is really tight. Can you just tell me quickly, what are the things in it specifically that you say are fantastic that maybe people don't know?

I think the biggest thing is the level of welfare reform that's in this bill. The Medicaid reforms, the work requirement in Medicaid to get people back into the workforce, the food stamp reforms, both tightening the work requirement and giving states a share of the cost of that program.

$1.7 trillion in mandatory savings. And then the second aspect of it is you talked about the DOGE rescissions and the only spending in this bill is spending that is specifically designed strategically that is conservative and we would do like border security, right? If that's an appropriations process,

We're headed towards a shutdown. It looks like the first term we can't actually have non-defense fight over cutting because we're fighting for the wall. This bill includes that type of spending so that it clears the field strategically for us to have a massive fight on non-defense spending in the appropriations process. We did talk very rarely about that dynamic, but I think it's one that your audience will find very exciting.

Russ, I so appreciate the fact that you are there with the president. I, you know, the president has earned the right to get his, I mean, we're what, 120 days or something into his first term.

I think he's earned the right to get his way. I am worried about the debt and the deficit, but I do trust you, and I give my support to the president. And I hope that we can get past yesterday and move to get things moving in Washington, because I think if this doesn't pass tomorrow,

I haven't heard a better idea from anybody. I've just heard no's, but I haven't heard a better idea. We've got to get moving on this or we're in trouble, deeper trouble than we are already in now. Thank you, Russ. Well said. Thanks, Glenn. Appreciate you. You bet. Russell Vogt, Office of Management and Budget. I have to tell you, this is a really tough thing. This is, you know, I...

I don't like some of the things that are in this. I don't like some of the things that are happening. But as I just said, I haven't heard anybody address the issues in a way where we can get it done. It's one thing to stand here and say, I won't vote. Well, okay, by not doing anything, by not moving, and by collapsing this,

What do we have instead? We have more chaos and more trouble. And I hate this. I hate this. But I really, truly believe our back is up against the wall on this debt and the deficit. And if we don't get these tax cuts passed, I wanted bigger tax cuts.

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So where do you stand on this big, beautiful bill? I agree with your analysis that the tax cuts are pretty much required. I mean, you know, look, I would like a much more aggressive bill. You know, the Republican Study Committee put together a budget that cut $17 trillion in 10 years, and this one cuts $1.7. You know, the Republican Study Committee is not some radical group. I know, but do you go back to what Carol said earlier?

Remember what Carol said on our show long before Trump even started proposing budgets. We have to be really careful. We cut too much too fast before the economy starts to roar and you collapse everything because most, you know, about half of our spending is coming from state, local and federal spending.

Right. And so, you know, I definitely take Carol's point. She's smarter than I ever will be. Of course, Carol Roth talking about that. That being said, I do think that if you are pairing it, if you're just cutting, it would be that sort of effect. I think if you're pairing it with things that are incentivizing people in the economy.

You know, that's going to be you're talking about more dramatic tax cuts than we get here as well as what I would target. Again, these are pie in the sky issues. The problem with my plan here is if you do it, you will not get the amount of votes that you need in the House. So what President Trump keeps saying that he's right. Art of the possible. The art of the possible. Right. This is what I've said a million times. If you want a better bill, what you need to do is not win by four seats.

in the house. Like what that's, this is the problem. Now, what I would argue here, and I think they're going to have problems getting this bill through. And I understand Russ is working hard on it. So many people are there.

I think what you probably the end game here is to start take trimming this down a little bit. There's two end games. What I would prefer is trimming it down, taking out a lot of the stuff that we're complaining about, probably downgrading some of the things that I like and making it more of a focus bill that doesn't try to make it big and beautiful. The secondary option is Donald Trump comes in and punches everybody in the face and they do what he says. And that's probably what's going to occur here.

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If you miss anything in the show, you can get it on the podcast. It's up on YouTube, X, and wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. We're talking about the big, beautiful bill that just had Russ Vodon. Can I critique, potentially, the way you're talking about this bill a little bit? Is that okay? Sure. I'm open. Yeah. I just, and I don't think this is what you mean, but a couple times you said things like,

Look, the president deserves the right to do what he wants. The president. No, no, no. You've said it like that. I think you said it in the interview. Pretty close to that. I said he's earned the right for me to trust him. And because there's no one else that is proposing something that has a real shot that's better, I'm...

I'm with you. I'm with you. He's earned the right because he told us everything that he was going to do when everybody was voting for him. He told us these things. OK, so I don't give him a blank check, but I do believe that I haven't heard anyone else propose something that can pass that is better than this.

So I think those are two different pieces of analysis, though, or two different structures to make that decision. One is it's the pragmatic best you can do, right? And that's your judgment. Two is he's earned the right to make this decision as he wishes to make it. And that doesn't mean you're, as you know, not a blank check. In the first 120 days.

Yes. See, I don't think that's the right way to look at the presidency, right? He does not... Okay, well... You know, again, I'm just, you know, I'm not saying that you're wrong on that. It's just the way I look at it is...

You know, you have to be able, you should be able to criticize. Like, I think Thomas Massey is making points that are valid. They're not, you might not agree with all of them. And he's going to be a no kind of, I think, no matter what on this. But those points should be critiques at the very least so we can make the bill better and get to the best pragmatic solution. Have you heard me?

Have you heard me critique Massey or Lee? I agree with both of them. Yeah. I mean, I agree with what they're saying. I really do.

Now, can you actually they should be heard. It should be argued. And if you can sway people to cut even more and get this bill, this this bill passed, then I'm all for it. So I'm not everybody has a right to speak their mind, but we don't run anything effectively, especially when we're at this point in a presidential campaign.

Period. We don't we don't get anything done by committee. That's really, really good. I'm not going to sit here and micromanage the president. And this isn't micromanaging. This is probably one of the most important things the president is doing is the economy. But I agree with his general approach.

I agree that we have got to cut spending. I think we can cut a lot more than what we're cutting. That's what Lee and Massey are saying. And I think we should push as hard as we can. But I lean more towards Chip Roy. Get what you can and then let's move because we can't lose the tax cuts and everything else. This is not...

This isn't the Patriot Act or, you know, I'm not saying, well, I don't know what to do. I do know what to do. But I also know that if we don't pass this with the tax cuts, you know, as as Russ Vogt said, this is not an omnibus. This is not the budget.

You can you can continue to add rescissions. You can cut after this and you can continue to go and go to Congress and ask them to continue to cut and pass more things. For instance, the Doge cuts. And I think those have to be done.

But you've got to get the tax cuts done. You have to. If we don't, the entire thing falls apart. We will lose the economy if we don't get these tax cuts. Yeah. Do you agree with that? Largely, yes. And I do think they're...

and again they're they're not tax cuts i mean they're just the freaking rates we're paying already you know to be clear i know but if they if you don't get them then it is a tax increase right that's the way it should be viewed yes um you know we cannot have that increase the patriarch is an interesting example because you're at a point there where look

there are things in the Patriot Act that are very valuable and have protected the country. That is true. As an entire bill, it has been abused. I mean, even the guy who wrote the bill has said it's been used in ways that he did not design it, which is kind of a problem. Oh, I know, I know. This is not like the founders where you have to guess at their intent. The guy's still alive, but whatever. You get to that point where that's, you know, this is how these things occur. But that what the issue was,

The issue with, you could argue, the issue with the Patriot Act was not every single thing in the Patriot Act. The issue with the Patriot Act was it became a big, beautiful bill and included a lot of things that shouldn't have been in there and wound up being abused. And at the time, I think our, you know, the rescission thing by Vaught is a good, I think he's a good guy. I think the people in Washington are trying to do the right thing with this and they're doing everything they can. But to be realistic about this, cuts,

that you can pass through the Senate and the House through the rescissions process would help this bill. It would help the scoring of this bill. Oh, I know that. It would be something that would benefit the passage of it if you could get them through. So saying that later on we're going to get them through on their own

It's something to be a tad skeptical about, right? I am very skeptical of this. I am very skeptical. I don't think I have been in a more clear-eyed place on where the economy is and what has to happen than I am right now, even beyond 2008. We are in a much more dangerous place today than we were even in 2008.

And I am very clear-eyed on that. But I also am – I wish we could be perfect, but we also have to know when it comes down to it, we have to pull the trigger on the possible. I want perfect, but I've got to pull – I've got to have at least the possible trigger.

Do you understand what I'm saying? Totally. Yeah. I'm not saying this is a big, beautiful bill. I'm not saying this is perfect. I'm not saying this isn't riddled with problems. I'm saying it has really essential things in it that we can pass and we need to pass those things before we lose those.

And then come back and try to get some more things. I am very clear-eyed, probably more clear-eyed on the deficit than I think most people. I've been talking about the debt and the deficit for forever. And I was one of the first to say we're going to lose our credit rating and everything else. I've said for 25 years, they're intentionally tubing the dollar. I know these things.

Unlike, you know, we're in a situation now where, remember the, not Patriot, TARP. Remember when TARP came out? I was for TARP for two days, and here's why. I talked to people that were in that Treasury meeting on that Sunday night, okay, before TARP was even known. And I talked to a guy who was in that meeting and is one of the most successful

reasoned human beings I know, very reasoned. He's a CFO kind of guy. And he was in those meetings and he called me, he walked home that night from downtown New York to midtown Manhattan. And he called me on the phone and he was crying.

You know who I'm talking about, don't you? I do. Don't reveal who it is. Yes, of course. Is he the kind of guy that cries? No. No. Not normal. And he was crying, and he said to me, Glenn, people have no idea what's about to happen. If we don't pass this tarp, he's like, it's all going to come crashing down.

And he said, there's some bad things that I don't like the way it's being done, et cetera. I don't trust the people involved, but he's like, no one has any idea. The world is not prepared for what's about to happen. And he said, I just don't know what to do. And I got on the air the next day and I talked about it and I said, look, you don't have any idea. I've been trying to warn this audience for a long time. What's coming?

But what they're going to try to do with TARP is a couple of things. They're saying the banks are too big to fail. Remember that? They're too big to fail. What does that mean? That they have so, if they go down, the entire world and the network goes down and you could lose everything. And then you're in a reset and nobody knows what that reset's going to be. Okay.

So too big to fail, which implies that what you have to do is make them smaller, break those banks up and go smaller banks. So we distribute the risk over a large pool instead of a few small people or big people, few small groups.

You need to spread that risk out. Too big to fail. The other thing was we just need to buy time to do that. When I found out two days later, when I started listening to people and who were talking about TARP, I realized they're not going to use that time to make these banks smaller. They're going to use that time to make these banks bigger. That was their real agenda.

That's why two days later I said, forget everything I've said. I thought we were dealing with honest people. They are not being honest. So while I could say, yes, we have to spend this money right now to be able to get out of this situation because we can't have these banks fail on us, I realized that their intent was not to

what TARP was telling everybody it was for to make sure we get through this and then stabilize. They were just going to make everything bigger. This particular bill is not that. I haven't found the dangerous lies in it. I have found the things that are dangerous, but they're right there out in the open. We're going to raise the debt up another $4 trillion.

That's dangerous. Very, very dangerous. And there are people that are in Washington that are doing that intentionally because they intentionally either don't think it's a problem, which it is, or they are waiting for that great reset. And the sooner the better. What the president is saying is, I need this for tax cuts. I need this for regulation. And we can add rescissions later.

I still believe that he means we're going to, you know, add recisions later, that we are going to try to cut the Department of Education, that we are going to try to do some big things. You can't do them in this bill. Now, if I thought the president was lying to us and saying, yeah, we're going to cut the Department of Ed, and he had no intention, like TARP, had no intention, I would be absolutely against it because it would say the whole thing is a lie.

But I do believe that Russell, we just talked to, knows that we have to make all those cuts. I do believe the president knows we have to make these cuts. The president disagrees with me on debt. He knows that it's a problem, but only if you're not growing the economy.

He believes we can grow our way out of this, but I know that Russell Vogt and everybody else, they know that you can't just grow your way. He just said it to us. You can't grow your way out of this debt. You have to do both. Grow and cut at the same time. So when I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, it's because...

I do believe the president is a very good businessman. I do believe he is good at negotiation. He's probably the best at negotiation, but he also pushes people to the wall to get the best deal for him, for America, for whatever he's negotiating for. He gets the best deal, but that doesn't mean he gets everything. He gets the best deal he can.

And so I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt because I think his goals are in line with mine, even though we may see how to get there a little differently. His goals are the same as mine. The people around him have the same kind of goals that I have. And we speak the same kind of language and understand things where the president and I may be a little different on a couple of things. The people around him are more in my camp, I think.

And they are counseling him on things and are a part of it. And I want to give them every tool we can possibly give them. If we don't, and again, here's the thing on TARP,

When I said on Tuesday, you know, that after it was actually Wednesday, when I changed my mind on TARP, I said on Monday and Tuesday, I'm for it. On Wednesday, I came back and I said, they're lying to you. Don't listen to them. What I also said was, but understand that if it doesn't pass, it will mean complete chaos financially worldwide. What nobody's saying to you now is if this doesn't pass,

It won't happen as quickly as TARP. But if this doesn't pass, if we continue to spend and we have a massive tax increase and the president can't get his power into Congress and have Congress help get out of this situation,

We have chaos just like we were going to have if TARP didn't pass. And that's what needs to be said. The consequences of not passing this are astronomical. Astronomical. And you'll feel it in about a year from now. You'll feel it the minute those tax cuts are not permanent.

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Hello, America. You know, we were just talking about the big, beautiful bill and Elon Musk and Donald Trump. We'll have more on that coming up in just a second. But, you know, I was telling Stu that we cannot dismiss the possible consequences

by searching for the perfect. We can strive to make it better and we need to, but let's not throw out the good things by not passing this because if we get tax cuts, if they, you know, and I don't even count these as tax cuts really, if we make the tax cuts that we're all experiencing permanent, great. If we don't, that

Raising of taxes next year will kill this economy. And we'll be in much, much bigger trouble than we already are in. But there are some things that we can...

We can move towards, for instance, you know, I want the rescissions. I want the cutting of the budget in this. You know, and this bill does move forward on Medicare, on getting rid of some of that horrible waste and cutting some of those things down and returning people to work, etc., etc.,

So that's taking a step towards the perfect because the perfect for me is getting rid of welfare and returning it to the people and to the states wherever we can. You know, health care, getting government out of health care, and that includes the VA. You know, I'd love to see the VA completely privatized. Is that even possible? Doug Collins is with us. He is the U.S. Secretary of Veterans Affairs.

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Doug Collins is joining us now, U.S. Secretary of Veterans Affairs. Doug, how are you, sir? I'm good, Glenn. How about you? Really good. I can't thank you enough for everything that you guys are doing at the VA. I mean, I just think there are so many of our veterans that have been treated so miserably. They're killing themselves like they've never done before. I mean, I...

I know that you heard some of the things that we've talked about here where people are just killing themselves trying to make a point that we got it. The VA is in dire need of transformation. So thank you for caring and thank you for doing everything you are doing to transform it. I appreciate it. It's a lot.

Can we get out of this at all? I mean, is there, how can we get in privatize as much of this as we can? Well, I think the issue of privatization is not, is probably not the answer in this. I think what we have is, is we have the tools that president Trump and I, frankly, we I'd worked on when I was in Congress back in a few years ago was actually beginning to make this system much more less about the VA and more about the veteran and

And that is getting the care out of the centralization services all the time of all everything having to do with, you know, coming to our hospital, coming to our clinic, but using our community doctors and others. One of the big issues is always brought up with privatization. And it's a valid discussion. It's something to talk about. It's not something we're looking at mainly because,

The thing that gets separated so much from the VA is that the VA has the other issues and same issues as the private and the public hospitals, and that's in recruitment doctors, a lot of other things that's going on. But then the specialty nature of a lot of what we do with them. So the big thing we can do is, one, I think we can streamline this issue. We can save money. That's what we're looking to do. We're cutting literally hundreds of millions of dollars out of bad contracts, bad stuff. But at the same point, getting the veterans –

especially those that you just talked about a minute ago, which are on my heart, that are coming to a system that is not listening to their needs and then in turn believing that there's nowhere else to turn for them, and many of them are taking their own life, and that's just something that's not going to be acceptable in anything. But we're finally asking the right questions and putting the community and our private doctors, our public doctors, and our VA doctors to help get these veterans the help they need.

Okay, so let's talk about a couple of things that you are doing. You know, you had a massive backlog of cases, and you've brought that backlog down over 25% in 100 days. What did you do? And

And what does it mean to the veteran? Well, what it means is several things. What we did was just leadership. Then what gets measured gets done. Okay. I think that's an accountability factor that we have. And I brought to us now an accountability factor that says you're either going to do your job or you're not going to work for us.

And so 260,000 backlogs, let me explain what that means. That's the 260,000 cases of people asking or applying for benefits through disability benefits that went over 125 days. Okay, it should never have been there. Some are growing longer. 260,000.

We've cut that to under 200,000, as you said, within 100 days. We've also begun, because that is now freeing up work, we're now actually processing more. If you remember the dreaded scenarios that all the mainstream media, the New York Times and the Post and all the unions were saying, if you brought people back to work, it would be terrible and be awful and, you know, doing this.

We've actually are processing more claims per day right now than we ever have in our history. We're actually processing more than we're getting in for the first time in a long time. What it took was simply saying, guys, you're going to do this. It's not a choice anymore. When I inherited a department in which

However you feel like you, it feels good to do it. You know, they were, everybody just sort of operating on their own time zone. And I said, we're not going to do that anymore. The VA is going to actually be about the veteran. So that's how we've done it. And it makes the difference. And now that a veteran is not calling their congressman, they're not calling everybody else. They're getting what they've earned and we're fulfilling that promise.

So help me out on this. You know, we reached out to you and your team after I interviewed a dad from San Antonio last month, whose son Mark took his own life in April, right in front of the VA hospital, because he believed he didn't receive adequate care for pain, that he was having mental health issues, et cetera, et cetera. Speak to the dad who feels like the VA has failed his son and, and what you're trying to do to make this right.

I will, just as I did one night. I actually was on with him, and this shows you a difference. I go on any area I can to say, look, when we're doing it wrong or we're doing it an issue that we need to at least address. And in this situation, I think it's something we need to address, and I did this with him before, is my heart hurts. And I think it shows the problem that we have is

in our system that has drug itself into a point in which we have just sort of handled the mental health crisis. We've handled the traumatic brain injury, the PTS issue in such a way that we've just sort of said, this is sort of the lined up way we do it. And yet I've got a,

the I'm telling our doctors, I'm telling our folks that we partner with nonprofits and others saying we've got to try something different here because we're not moving the needle since 2008. The suicide number has not changed in this country. And we're spending five hundred and eighty eight million dollars or more every year to, quote, prevent it. But yet in our services,

We're still treating it many times with medicine. We're still treating it in times we've got to do a better job of getting more counseling in there. We're getting more clinicals, but also something that I've took from and we've been looking at from many of our veteran groups and others, including folks that you've been dealing with,

but Bobby Kennedy as well at HHS, is we're looking at alternative medicines. We're looking at hyperbaric chambers. We're looking at possible use of psychedelics along with counseling. Anything we can to get them the help that they need so they don't feel like the VA's not listening to them or they're getting just handed a bottle of pills. And that's something that we don't need to be looking at. They need to be getting help and not just a medical condition.

I mean, it's interesting to me that the Germans handed a lot of their soldiers bottles of pills so they could just fight and fight and fight and fight and become animals. And we train our people differently, more humanely, but we train our people to be able to go in and pull the trigger when they have to. But is it fair to say we spend all that money doing that, but when they come home, we don't spend...

enough money and enough time to try to deprogram that, to bring them back into our society and how to deal with all of the stuff that they were trained to do. Is that fair? Yeah, I think it's a fair assumption. And I think it's also the changing face of warfare. And in a quick just moment here, I mean, in World War II, I've had World War II friends. They went with only two things in mind. They were either going to win or come home dead. They had no time frame to come home. They were just going.

As war has progressed and now up until the last two, you can bring that all up way up in the last 20 years, the GWAT generation, less than one, about a one and a half percent of the population have participated in foreign soil in this battle, but yet we've done it over and over and over again. And so

And so what we're having is these folks are in four to six to eight years who have all of this stuff built up. We sort of broke them down to become the soldier, Marine, airman, sailor that we needed, but the machine, and then they come back out. And then when they're going so much, they never have time to process. And for some of them who get out within four to six to eight years,

this is something that's not enough time to get in the system to say, here's how I cope. And so you've hit it exactly in the sense that we're not spending the time in a transition. This is why Secretary of Defense and I on an unprecedented level, this has not happened that we've found before where us as secretary sat down and said, we've got a transition problem. And so it's owned by DOD. They do the transition of folks coming out,

but yet if anything happens in it, I get blamed for it. So I just told Pete, I said, we got to fix this. We got to start working on this. Maybe you may own it, but I'm getting blamed for it. And I'm not going to get blamed for something I can't do. So we're going to, so right now we're working on getting that transition better so that we have a warm handoff, especially for those who are hurting already to come into our system

and receive almost white glove treatment where they're coming in warm hand off so that we have a better chance of effecting change. And here's another aspect. I'm opening it back up to where we're gonna partner with non-profits, we're gonna partner with foundations, we're gonna partner with groups that are already doing good stuff. And instead of us wasting money on things that we don't need to be on, I'm gonna use other groups that are already in this arena

to say, help us here and connect them with it. Yeah. It always, it kills me when you have something like, for instance, in a different subject, but we have something like AA that works. That always works. And then you find these people who are running these centers who are like, well, we're going to change it and we're going to do our own thing. And it's like, no, but that works. Why not just do that? It's free. Why not just do that? Exactly.

Oh, it's amazing. Glenn, you'd be amazed at what I see here. I just read tape issues that we're already starting to fix. And so, I mean, we're taking out, we put best medical interest so that our doctors aren't having to go through a second opinion or a third opinion to get somebody to the help that they need. We're now actually going to be taking

amputees who need, and I have a real experience with this, my daughter's in a wheelchair, that we were making them go to their primary care to possibly an orthopedic, to a PT, to an OT before they could just get reset for a new chair. I said, that's bull crap. We're cutting that out so they get a better experience. And we give them the earned respect that they have.

You know, a lot of critics, Democrat lawmakers especially, look at the proposed 15% staff reduction that you are championing here. And they're saying that's going to lead to a shortage of doctors and nurses. How do you plan to protect the frontline health care services for veterans and cut 15% of staff?

Well, first off, 15% is a goal. And that was coming from the president. He said, look over all agencies, see what you can do. And if you don't set a goal, nothing gets done. And you know that. Your listeners know that. So this is a goal. They said, okay, 15%, can you do that? And if you can, how do you do it? But

But what we did, because we knew and the president knew this, the VA is a really a unique organization in government with only truly everyday facing department that we have dealing with this medical kind of issues we deal. And so what we did early on was that we're not even going to put in jeopardy doctors, nurses, which the Democrats and others are lying about.

you know, being, we've protected over 300, over 300,000 positions within our healthcare system and our disability rating system that said, look, you're not even eligible, you know, to take an early retirement. You're not eligible to do this up because we're not going to cut the very things that we need. But I've got literally thousands of other employees on duplicative HR processes, contracting processes, you know,

human resources processes. I mean, I was amazed here and I talked about that permissive attitude. We were supposed to centralize our payroll several years ago. Previous administration said, nah, if you want to do it differently, I found out that we had over 60 locations doing their own payroll and that hundreds of people at a lot bigger expense.

So this idea, look, here's what you has come up when I, everybody's cracked about the VA GAO has said it's for 10 years. We've been high risk list, the Democrats, Republicans, everybody on the Hill. And I've said this in my hearings, all of you, I can show you comments where you say you want efficiency. You want the bid to work better. And yet the first moment I start saying, here's some change in eBay, then all of a sudden it's about the worker. Well, I believe our VA workers are great folks. Our VA worker, our, the VA is not a jobs program.

The VA is a service organization and we're changing that mindset. Have you thought of, I'm sure you have, but have you thought of doing things like in a private company, you know, I like to incentivize people and say, hey, we are way over budget or we're trying to make this a better process one way or another.

Just tell us and then we'll give you the employee, you know, a kickback or a bonus or whatever, if that works and it came from you. Have you thought about incentivizing the people to streamline and to save?

Yeah, we're looking at that. I've been saying it everywhere I go. I've been in 16 states, over 50 of our facilities, and I'm not even close to halfway yet. And everywhere I go, that's exactly what I'm telling them. Unfortunately, unlike private enterprise, I'm bound on what

how I can offer incentives and stuff for that. But what we're also offering is saying, Hey, here, how can we make this better? I found that you empower American workers, Glenn, you empower our people to do good. They're going to do good when you believe in them. Like I believe in them and say, I want you to go be the best that you can be. And if you see something stupid, you let us know and we'll fix it. They're going to go out and do things. And also here's the other alternative. Also good people will not work where bad people are tolerated and

And we're making it very much of an emphasis to get rid of bad people who are not wanting to do good things. It used to be a culture of failure up here or failure sideways. If you fail, we just put you up at somewhere other job that, that stopped the minute I came in and we're getting rid of people who can't do the job. Uh, Doug, I really appreciate it. I, I, I love the fact that, you know, you're a servant of the Lord and, you know, um, and you're, so I know your priorities are right and that's on people. So thank you for what you're doing.

We appreciate it. I appreciate it. It's always good to talk. Anything you need to do, let me know, okay? You got it. Thanks. Doug Collins, U.S. Secretary of Veterans Affairs. Our sponsor.

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Had you heard that before, or was this another internet rumor yesterday that I bought into last night? So when he mentioned those comments, I did look them up, and it does appear he was on a show this morning and gave a pretty cold, I would say cold comment about Elon. I wish him well, but we're not going to be talking anytime soon, I believe. I can have him go here somewhere. Yeah, that's too bad.

Oh, here it is. That's too bad. But as long as they stop shooting each other. Yeah. I'm not even thinking about Elon. He's got a problem. Poor guy's got a problem. I won't be speaking to him for a while. But of course, I wish him well. Yeah, that's good. I mean, he's really tempered himself. For Donald Trump, that's really tempered. No kidding. This is Glenn Beck.

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And the big beautiful bill and Donald Trump and, you know, veterans and everything else. Can we get to the real news? Stu's been trying to keep it away from you all day, but I'm sorry, but I'm just going to buck the producer. During a House Appropriations Committee hearing yesterday, Congresswoman Madeline Dean said,

challenged Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick on the impact of President Donald Trump's 10% tariff on bananas.

Now, I personally like bananas. I don't like to see the price of anything go up, but I really, really don't like it when it's bananas. I mean, you want to do that to avocados. I'm good. I'm good. Oh, yeah. 25. Yeah. A thousand percent. They could be. Yeah, absolutely. Tariff on bananas. She said, what's the tariff on bananas?

Americans love bananas. We buy billions of bananas a year. And when I thought, here's a Democrat talking about bananas, uh,

They know, you know, about bananas because they're all bananas. But I digress. And she said, you know, we buy billions of a year. And Lutnick said, OK, there's no uncertainty about our tariffs. If if you build in America and produce your product in America, there will be no tariff. And Dean said.

cut him off and said, quote, we cannot build bananas in America. And while she's technically accurate there, probably not the best point to make, you know, that we can't.

interesting clip in that this is one of the very few clips that's going viral on both the left and the right as if it's a dunk on the other side I know that doesn't happen that often

No, it doesn't. You cannot build bananas really at all. I guess you could. You could build a banana, but it would not be the typical edible type of banana. No, you know what? Let's not talk about that. I don't know what you mean by that, Stu, but I don't even want to pursue it anymore. I mean, we could also say that, well, there are people that, you know, aren't –

Building bananas. Give Bill Gates a few more years and maybe he'll start to design and rebuild the banana for us. Then there's this story. Michelle Obama is going to release her latest book called The Look. Now, we've all been waiting for this, but this is, quote, a vibrant exploration of her lifelong journey with fashion, hair and beauty.

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The book is deeply personal and a reflection addressing the intense scrutiny Michelle faced during her White House years. During our family's time in the White House, the way I looked was constantly being dissected. What I wore, how my hair was styled. Are you kidding me?

All I heard about was how beautiful she was and her arms were so toned and she was the most beautiful she-man in First Lady history. I mean, please give it a rest.

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So it's all about her and how she did everything, but it, and how authentic it was, but she's got this whole team of people who crafted all of the looks for her. It's just that authentic. So, you know, Glenn, this, this reminds me of a wager that we had years ago. Um, I should remind everyone in the audience that both of us lost to the wager, which I, it was me saying, Hey, she's a man, uh,

No, no, no. It's not that wager. Oh, a different wager. Yeah, that one I'll win. No, this is the one about whether she would run for president. The bet was I said, no, Joe Biden will hold the nomination, which I was incorrect on. And you said that, no, he will be replaced by Michelle Obama.

part of my calculus on this particular wager which was a typical defeat for both of us just like this show is on a day to day basis it was a giant disappointment for both of us it was that she I think she wants that life

She wants the life you just described. She wants people fawning over the way she looks. She wants rich, elegant, basically a model, a celebrity, a, you know, that's that life that she wants. I don't think she wants the life of what Barack had in those years.

She wants the Kennedy-Onassis life, but post-presidency. No, I think she wants the Jennifer Aniston. Of course, that's probably a really bad name to bring up, but I think she wants the Jennifer Aniston life. Apparently he does too. But yes, I think that's what it is. Well, it's an off-and-on relationship, if you know what I mean. Off-and-on. Anyway, go ahead. You were saying...

I think that's really her desire. She wants to be essentially like a movie star, Hollywood royalty in every incredible party that no one else can get into. There is a certain power and certain access that you get in the political life to that. But like, you know, Jill Biden was never getting it, right? Like that's not what that is. This is a...

different type of thing that she wants. She wants to be above all that. So that's, I think this book describes it. There's no way that the person who wants a, like her husband was hit on issues when he was, he said the word arugula and people said, oh, you're too fancy for politics. This is not someone who's worried about being too fancy.

Agree? 100%. 100% agree with you. And the thing is, her show on, what is it, Netflix? Which one picked it up? I know Netflix gave her a big deal. Yeah. Disaster. Again, another disaster. It couldn't happen to a...

a nicer couple than the two of them where people are just starting to reject them because I think they're seeing them for who they really are. It was kind of like, you know, the Clintons, you know, once the Clintons kind of lost power, they lost favor where you don't see that usually on the right, you know, and, you know, they,

Generally speaking, do you think? That's interesting, you know, because the Clintons are a great lesson for the life that she wants. She jumps into politics again, and she's no longer this revered figure. She's the politician that people are analyzing on a day-to-day basis, and she has to deal with all that, right? Like, that's what happened with Hillary. Yeah.

If Hillary had just gone into quiet elegance, whatever version of that she has, I think she may have had at least some of this. I don't know if she ever would have come to the level of Michelle Obama, who was always revered for her stupid arms or whatever. But she would have had more of that. The fact that she jumped in, Secretary of State, Senate, presidential candidate, changed her just into this politician that everybody criticizes.

Like, you know, where Laura Bush never got that treatment, right? Like she doesn't, she, she, she was able to live a, you know, think a very normal, normal, like upscale revered existence in those circles.

And the same thing with Barbara Bush. But the problem is, is that Michelle, I mean, she wants these, but you have to, I mean, you can be famous because you're the first lady, but that's not why Jackie O was so famous. I mean, she was the first lady, but she had such style, such grace. It was, it was more grace even than style. Her style was important, but it was her grace under pressure where she,

Except for Melania Trump, I can't think of a first lady that has had true grace under fire. Can you? I mean, Nancy Reagan was pretty good. I think Barbara Bush was pretty good. You know, Laura Bush, pretty good. But there's the two icons, I think. It was not Michelle Obama.

It was truly Melania who was smeared and hammered every step of the way. And then Jackie O, whose husband was killed right in front of her, and she handled that with beauty and style and grace and kindness. That's why they're legendaries.

I mean, I think someday the world will recognize Melania Trump for how really remarkable she is as a human being. Yeah, don't hold your breath on that one. At least in the mainstream media. But I will say the big air issue too, and probably there's a reason why these similarities exist, is the under fire part. Thanks to several Democratic donors, her husband's been dodging bullets on stage. So you need, in a way, I mean, certainly...

The Reagans would have that claim as well, unfortunately. And I think, like, you get into a situation like that where you realize your family's life is at stake on a day-to-day basis for what you're doing in this job. And if you can handle that situation not with, I think, what most people would have, probably I would, is a selfish attitude.

defense mechanism hey get out of this i don't want you anywhere near this world again certainly don't run again what are you talking about you know someone you know if my wife was going through something like that like i would be selfish and want to pull her out of that world in any way i could i'm sure that's an instinct in every first lady that has to go through something like this but melania seemingly has held and handled it with credible grace in an impossible situation um kind of like the grace that you see from jasmine crockett who's also in the news um

She is. I mean, if you've ever thought that she said stupid things before. Now, listen to this one. She has accused now Republicans of scrutinizing the $2 billion grant from Biden going to the nonprofit.

For Stacey Abrams. Remember, she raised, I believe it was $100. It wasn't $1,000. It was $100. It might have been $200, but it was less than $1,000. Okay. Total. All right. So a couple hundred dollars total, this fundraiser and this- Organization, yeah.

organization had raised total and all of a sudden she gets a two billion dollar grant now that should be questioned by anybody okay i don't care who it is i don't care what side of the aisle you're on that should be questioned all right but jasmine crockett has said the only reason why the republicans are are uh questioning is is for the purpose of quote keeping a strong black woman down hmm

So in other news that makes sense, you know, as much as you can't build bananas, James Carville came out this week and claimed that the reason the Jewish Democrats are leaving the party is not because of anti-Semitism. Clearly, James Carville knows what anti-Semitism really means because he says they're only leaving the party because they want tax cuts.

So if I may translate, James, I think what he was saying was, you know them Jews, they only care about money. Wow. Let me line him up for a leadership position at Harvard right now. Walk right in. Just crazy. All right. More in just a second. Stand by. Let me tell you about our sponsor.

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Stu, this is something we have to talk about maybe next year. I mean, not next year, next week. There is a X post that's coming around of a guy who his job is to identify deep fakes and fake photos for the news. And he shows three satellite images on the destruction and the troop buildup in Russia. Tell me about it. Yeah, and people are panicking. They're like, look at this. We've got photos. There's another one about Taiwan that's going around. Is China about to invade Taiwan? Yeah.

And the photos are all AI generated. Now, there are very minuscule things you can pick up and tell. Some of these are fake and not real. And that's good that that's still available. I think those are going to start going away really, really soon. You're not going to have that anymore. So I don't know how they're going to tell. But the reporter's position was basically we are not ready as a society to, especially an online society, to deal with

all that is coming in this world where when you have a a new development something that is breaking there's going to be evidence online that proves to you whatever you want to think is true you want to believe and it's gonna look real and it's gonna seem real and a lot of it's not gonna be real and i don't know how we're gonna deal with we're already terrible with dealing with these stories i can't imagine what it's gonna be like i know

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