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This is Dr. Jordan B. Peterson. Watch Parenting, available exclusively on Daily Wire+. We're dealing with misbehaviors with our son. Our 13-year-old throws tantrums. Our son turned to some substance abuse. Go to dailywireplus.com today. Do people who spend 10 years in the friend zone deserve to be there? Ouch. This is a brutal question. This is terrible. I need to take a drink before we talk about this.

Welcome back. Welcome back to Yes or No, the bibulous battle to discover who knows whom better. My guest today is Professor Jacob.

How do we play? I'll ask the professor a yes or no question. He will select his answer away from my prying eyes. Then I'll guess how he answered. If I guess correctly, I get a point. If I guess incorrectly, I lose a point. No matter what, I will probably drink. Then it's the professor's turn. Neither of us has seen the questions beforehand. Whoever has the most points at the end wins. And the stakes could be higher. Let's get started.

I have a wager for you. Okay. First of all, Professor, I'm really glad that they allow underage drinking on this show now. That's really great that they... Thank you very much. Twelve years old. That's outrageous. I'm very pleased that you're here. The audience, I think, mostly knows Professor Jacob. For those who have not followed the lore and the legend, Professor Jacob is my child labor on the show and my associate producer. So here's the wager. If I win...

That means you lose. That's true. And if you lose, I want a Michael Knowles modification to your beloved Camaro. Okay. Done. Done? Done deal. Okay. But my wager... Yeah?

You gotta pop a 15 milli lip filly. Aw, kid, don't. I got an old man heart. I'm not young and vibrant like you. You put me on them, and I surpassed you, so you gotta get on my level now. 15? That's like a pack of cigarettes at once. Might be two, but that's my word. Alright, whatever. I'm so good at the game, it'll be fine. No big deal. Okay. Man, I really hate that idea.

You ready? I'm ready. So the rules, if you were a woman, I'd say you go first, but you're not. I'm not. You're a man, or you're going to be a man someday. When is your bar mitzvah? It was like a few months ago. A few months ago, okay. All right. Are you ready? I'm ready.

Being a Jew at the well, I was that was a nice lead in you see that you thank you producers. That's talent Being a Jew at the Daily Wire is a double-edged sword because although you will constantly be made fun of you know, you could never be fired Obviously because we get it we work for massage. Okay, this is a lot harder than I got it wrong. Ah My thought was this

You could be fired. First of all, it was horribly phrased. Being a Jew at the Daily Wire is a double-edged sword is technically the thing we're having a referendum on, but it's obviously could you be fired or not. But these were written by semi-literate people, so that's fine. You could be fired because you work for me and I like you somewhat and Ben does not like things that I like. So Ben...

owning more of the company could fire you. Yeah, but I think the question isn't does, it would be does Ben hate things that you like more than he likes me?

And I think Ben likes me, and I don't think he would let me get fired. Ben has no idea that you work for this company. Not one time has he been made aware of your existence. He has specifically talked about me being the only other Jew at the company, so I think that's... I know. It is true. They say that there are all these Jews around Daily Wire. I am with half the Jews at the Daily Wire right now. It's insane. So I have to drink. You do have to drink. And I might have to do a 50-milliliter and have my entire heart explode. It's not looking good for you. Uh-uh. Mm-mm.

Okay, you're up. Is it wise to trust spiritual advice from a man who is so out of shape that he gets winded blessing his food? Oh, man. And you have to guess how I would answer. Is it wise to take spiritual advice from a man who gets winded blessing his food? It is wise. You knew that. I just, I mean, you don't.

You wouldn't have a podcast if you thought that was the rule. Or maybe I would. I don't ever weigh in on the wisdom of listening to my show. I just do my show. I think you've told people it's wise to listen to your show before. All right, maybe I have. Maybe I have. Do I get winded blessing my food? First of all, Latin is a very complicated language, and some of the words are very long.

Wouldn't it be a fat person who would get winded? Not a skinny person? Sometimes people call us skinny fat because we look nice and thin and hot and sexy, but we don't actually go to the gym or anything like that. But I don't know. I think I'm in great shape. We'll find out if I have to pop that 15 millilipilli. That's true. So I get to drink. Before this prompt is read, take a look at this video. Just like the guys being up to

oh it ends on that frame that's great so

All of those cars, they look kind of similar, so they're different cars. But they all have belonged to you. Correct. All five of them. You smashed them all up real good. Not entirely true. In another one of those videos, a friend of mine was the one behind the... Smashing it up real good. Yeah. Okay. Of all these moments caught on camera, the last image is the most concerning. Interesting.

You had your girlfriend's name stitched in pink on the headrest in your car. And you gotta be truthful in your answers. You gotta be truthful in your answers. You clicked it? I clicked it. How truthful are you gonna be with me and with yourself? Michael, I'm a nice Jewish boy. I am not gonna lie to you. That's not what I do. You wrongly said no. Yeah, but wrongly you said that. I mean, listen, I'm a...

I'm a guy in love. I put her name on the headrest. I don't see how that's worse than me almost dying five times. I think that's a little worse than having a girlfriend. We all die. Some of us never live, Jacob. Are you... You're gonna... You stitched your girlfriend's name in pink on your cool headrest in your Camaro. I want to say a phrase that I know you hate so much. What's the phrase? Happy wife. Oh.

Happy life? Listen, she liked it, and because she liked it, I'm like... I'm probably going to vomit from the 15 milligrams in that you're going to make me do. But first, I'll have the privilege of vomiting from that nauseating phrase. I hear it all the time. Happy wife, happy life. Which is true. You will have a happy life if your wife is happy. But you don't make your wife happy by...

simping in this egregious and nauseating way. That's what modern liberalism tells you to do.

Do women want a guy who says, oh, hey, honey, I switched your name on my... That's not exactly how it went. Or does a woman want Gary Cooper or Sean Connery, you know? That's not exactly how it went. I mean, think back to World War II. Well, she's not your wife. Hold on. Before you finish, she's not your wife. She's your girlfriend. Your wife. You still shouldn't do it. But it's your girlfriend. A man can be optimistic. Wow. Do I get to drink for that one? You get to, yeah. I'm going to drink for that one.

I haven't even drank it. I'm going to drink anyway. I'm not bragging. I guess I am bragging. I'm a great father. You know why I'm a great father? You want to know the sign of this? Not only did I get a Helix mattress for my eldest son when he switched from a crib to a bed, I just got one for my middle son too. It just arrived today.

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Wow. Wow. Is that a... That is deep. That is a... Hold on. Is the man who wrote these prompts, not me, producer Ben Davies wrote these prompts, is he making a controlled demolition allusion? I think he's been spending too much time on X. Wow. That's what I think Mr. Davies is... He's been spending too much time on the anti-Semitic portion of X, also known as X. What do...

So is the question, would the boys do that, or is the question, was 9-11 a controlled demolition? I think the latter is the question they're trying to ask here. Okay. You locked it in? It's locked in. I got it correct. You got it correct. Let's go. I know this is going to lose me internet points because all of YouTube is going to say it's an inside job or whatever.

I just don't see it. I don't buy it. I've gone down so many of the rabbit holes. I was skeptical of the theories at first because it was promoted by people who made themselves sound like absolute idiots with that phrase, jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams. The buildings didn't melt. No one's saying they melted. It didn't liquefy or anything. So from the start, I said, these are not...

People dealing with a full deck of cards. But there are all sorts of questions. Like, how'd they find the passport of the guy? Remember one of the hijackers? They said they found his passport on the sidewalk. I thought it was. So that's a weird one. I'm not saying there aren't

Any major geopolitical event, Pearl Harbor for instance, there were all sorts of questions and all kinds of intel reports and all kinds of, why didn't you know? But the idea that they just rigged the thing with explosives and the planes were just like theatrics or something,

Shoot me, I don't buy it. Sorry, I know that's unpopular now, I don't buy it. They also have to ask the question, why did Al-Qaeda claim responsibility and have been doing it consistently so for 24 years? Like, that's my biggest thing. Because they were hypnotized by George Bush...

Colin Powell and just judging by Twitter a certain ancient nomadic tribe I think convinced them to be Muslim and to claim responsibility. That's true. That's true. I wish I should have just said I believe in the theories just to get my point back. Do people who spend ten years in the friend zone deserve to be there? Ouch. Haha.

Here's your answer: Do people who spend 10 years in the friend zone deserve to be there? I need to take a drink before we talk about this. If you say yes, that's kind of a chivalrous, like, I should have tried harder to pick up my chicky.

If you say no, it's kind of like you just didn't see what a giga cool Chad Sigma guy I am. So which one do you think I'm... yeah, that's the question. Yeah, you're mogging pretty hard. You're staring at a giga Chad. Yeah, yeah, okay. But hold on, you want me to push no. No, I want you to give me like some honor and respect in this answer, come on. Ah! Oh, this 15 milli is gonna be brutal. That's awful, dude. Oh, dude. Dude, I don't exercise.

Yeah. You could be taking years off my life. You say no. So you say, no, sorry, you say that you did deserve to be in there. I'm sorry, that hypothetically someone would deserve to be in the friend zone if you were there for 10 years. There might be a girl in the audience that put your boy in the friend zone for 10 years, but it worked out. It worked out. It worked out. I'm going to call her out. My reasoning for this is, looking back, girls don't put guys in the friend zone that like, that...

I'm going to give you my personal anecdote here. I wasn't forward. I intentionally tried to become her friend as a way to try to... It happens. It happens. It happens. I was 16. That's what happens, you know. You thought, I'll pretend to be gay and that'll turn her on. Yeah. That's the way. That's my in. So bad. But actually, it wasn't the friend zone. It turned into the brother zone. I got called her brother.

Terrible. So now you're accusing her of defective incest. That's what I'm saying. It was bad. It went far. But I deserve it. So what would you do? What about the young guys who are watching this show right now who might be in a similar position to you? You know, they're 15, 16 years old. They got the hots for some girl. How do they avoid the mistakes that you made?

Oh, man. I would tell them, I would tell them, number one, if a girl rejects you, do not say, okay, you want to be best friends? I wouldn't say that. That's terrible. I wouldn't do that. You didn't do that. I didn't just say it like that, but I got really close and then...

So you were forward. You said, hey, honey, you want to go to the sock hop this Friday or whatever? I expressed interest and it did not. And she said, no, I want to go chill with Giga Chad. And then you were like, okay, let's keep chatting then. Basically. Wow. My advice is be forward. If it doesn't work out, step back a little bit. Go make somebody out of yourself and then try again.

that's what i did wow and it worked become a tick-tock star become a tick-tock star work for work for the future president of the united states michael nolte come on you make me blush except i'm too tan right now so it covers it and then final step is get on yes or no with him and then you'll that's it and that will truly end your relationship in a moment okay would it be unchivalrous to to tell the audience which one is your girlfriend

She's gonna get mad at me, but... Would it be unchivalrous if I... I don't think it would be unchivalrous. Give her the spotlight. She deserves it. All right, Justin, do you want to say something? Of Headrest fame, we have Destiny right over there. Wow. I made it out. Was that good advice? Yeah. Boom. Okay. I told you. You're right.

It worked in the long run. The arc of history is long, but it bends toward justice. It bends toward destiny, some would say. Wow. Here we go. Should Judaism have its own pope called the Rabbi Maximus who lives in the Oy Vedekin? And instead of the mitre or the saturno, it's like a big strimel. Like a big white strimel. Wow. What do I think?

I love a good pun. You love a good pun? I love a good pun, okay. What are we thinking here? Okay. You love a good pun, but you love reverse psychology. And you doubled down on that "I love a good pun" way too much.

You forget I work with you every day. You walked in here and you were like, oh, I'm not taking that. Do you think the Jews should have a pope? No, I don't. Why not? Because they already have one. Wow. We're just waiting for you to swim the time. Unfortunately not, no. In the Old Testament, Moses outlines 70 elders that get to...

that get to give advice to the people of Israel and you know and that really spread out through the rabbis and everything like that but there is no like besides the Messiah there is no like definitive singular figure who What about like the kings?

Like in the old days, like King David or something. There were kings, but you look at King Saul, he was opposed by the prophets, and people looked to the prophets. They didn't look to King Saul as if he was, you know... Listen, sometimes the cardinals have a little contentious relationship with the Pope. Okay, all right, no Oy Vedekin. Hey, hold on, hold on. Before we go any further, you need to go to dailywire.com slash shop.

so that you can get your copy of the Yes or No game. You can figure out who knows whom best among your family and friends. You can drink, you don't have to drink, you could play it totally dry. You will get the cards, you will get a little scoring mechanism, you'll get the game pieces, but Professor Jacob is not yet included. Back to it. Alright, Professor, now it's time for... Rapid Fire! It's kind of dramatic. Let's do it. I'm gonna read you

Series of prompts. You are going to respond back to back to back. 30 seconds. Is playing Fortnite as an adult a turn off to women? You have to be honest. Yes, obviously. Did you stop wearing a yarmulke because you're afraid it'll cause a bald spot? Yes, it obviously will. Do Jews run Hollywood?

You gotta be truthful, I'm a Zindadoo! These are the easiest questions! These are so obvious! Alright, well it didn't help me at all because I didn't get any extra points. Alright, you're up. Yeah. Alright, we're doing rapid fire again. You ready? Yes. Are Zins more addictive than cigars? Is Revenge of the Sith better than Barbie? Would 100 Professor Jacobs win in a fight with a gorilla? 100 Professor Jacobs. 100 Professor Jacobs.

How did you not know? I said, I'm going to teach you a syllogism. On the show, I said that there's no number of men without weapons who could beat the gorilla.

That's the major premise. Minor premise: Professor Jacob is a man. Professor Jacob's... I don't care if there's a million of you, you can't beat the gorilla. I thought you'd have more faith in me, man. I don't. Okay. I do not. It's nothing on you. You do Krav Maga. You do a little jiu-jitsu. The next time that we go traveling and he wants me to be your bodyguard, I'm going to say, "I can't handle these people." Sorry, get a gorilla. Go get the gorilla. Yeah, all right.

Alright, Professor, are you aware of the rules in this final round? I am. I don't know that I am, but from memory, these are worth about a bazillion points. This could decide the game. And we're gonna read the prompt. We both answer as we would answer, then we move the glasses to guess how the other person would answer. And then I'm gonna win and my face is gonna be on your car. Oh no. Ready? I'm ready. Okay.

Morally better, meaning less morally dubious. Would it have been less morally sus-- morally better, likely? You want to lock in your answer? What if I already did? You already locked in your answer. Yes. I think I have to move your drink.

Probably. I'm not saying it's not exactly a complex issue, but the targeting of civilians is morally sus. I agree, but the thing about that is that civilians will die in any war. Yes. And if you look at it from the eyes of the president at the time, he had to make a decision. The Japanese, who refused to surrender...

They're going to lose a certain amount of people in this war. Or I'm going to send my boys, the sons of the citizens, of the moms, of the dads that are hard workers in my country. I'm going to send three times that to Japan and they're going to die just because I don't want to. It's war, Michael. They shouldn't have bombed Pearl Harbor. But we're talking about the moral justifications here. That's my moral justification. Yeah, they shouldn't have bombed Pearl Harbor. But you say, well, the Japanese are going to lose a certain number of people. But people aren't all interchangeable.

So there's a difference in war between targeting civilians and targeting combatants. And this actually is central to just war theory. So with the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, they were targeting civilians. With a planned invasion, they'd be targeting... Now, the best argument you could make, because I still would like to defend the atomic bomb if I can, would be you say, well, they were going to fight to the last man. So there's no distinction between civilians and soldiers.

It's a little dubious. It's a little morally dubious, okay? And the reasoning that you're taking up is utilitarian reasoning, which is morally not quite right. I don't know. I think you should prioritize Americans before you prioritize people that started a war with your country. Should we--to end a war faster--if you could end a war faster by nuking the entire civilian population of a country, and it would end the war faster, or you'd have to drag the war out another three months by only fighting

armed combatants with proportionality and right intentions and all the rest. Would it be justified to nuke the whole civilian population? If I was the President of the United States and I was faced, I'm going to alter this a little bit to kind of fit the scenario. If I was told that

if I drop that bomb on that area to end the war, the amount of people that would die is a fraction of the amount of my own soldiers that are going to die? That's not the question I asked you. I asked you a more illustrative question. Would you nuke the entire civilian population of a country if it would end the war faster and save many, many lives of your own soldiers? More soldiers than civilians?

That's my question. Is it more... Sure. It would save more of your civilians, but you'd have to nuke the entire... It's a small country, let's say. You'd have to nuke the entire civilian population. Would you do it? I'm not saying... Look, I'm not trying to push this off as it's like something easy, but if I'm going to be the leader of a country... Yeah, it's a yes or no, by the way. It's a yes. It's a yes. Wow, okay. I would. Got to pull back our Cicero, huh? Did I move Michael's glass to yes? Yes.

Um, no, no, I moved his glass to no. Yes! Yes! Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Did I? Was it more? Let's go! Oh! Suck it! I think I did move it to yes. Go back to the tape. Wait, go to the question. Go to the tape. Go to the question.

I don't know what I did, I'm hammered. I've already had half of RG. He can say he doesn't know. Go back to the tape. Did I get my points? Let's go, kid. Okay, baby. Good luck. Good luck on your last one and enjoy your new car modification. Guess what it's going to be? You're putting my mug on your car seat. That's what you're doing. You're getting rid of the girlfriend one and you're putting my beautiful face stitched in pink on your car seat. That's what's going on. You're up, kid. Let's go, Reese. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes.

Final question. Was thou shall not worship any graven image originally written in the lesser known Hebrew tongue-in-cheek sense, explaining why it's not blasphemous when Catholics do it? Was thou shall not worship any graven image originally written in the lesser known Hebrew... It's written poorly, but I get the point he's trying to make. Can you translate? Yeah, yeah, let me try to translate. Davies. Davies.

Was "Thou Shalt Not Worship Any Grave Ninja" originally written in the lesser-known Hebrew tongue-in-cheek sense, explaining why it's not? He's an iconoclastic Protestant, and he's accusing Catholics, like you would do too, of... The iconoclastic Protestants, and some Jews are on the team on this, is it okay to have icons in a Catholic church? And I have to guess how you would answer.

But I know how you would answer, sucker. So you're going to have to change your car seat. Unless you're a liar and commit an evil sin and break a different commandment. But now you're going to have to get a new car seat. We ready? Start the clock. Okay, hold on. I want to make sure I don't make the same mistake you did.

Was Thou Shalt Not Worship Any Grave Image originally written in the tongue-in-cheek sense explaining why Catholics are okay? Professor Jacob would say, well, hold on. You've got to put luck in your answer unless you want to be a filthy liar and burn in hell forever. What do you want to do? I don't want to do that. You want to do? Is making me take a zin worth burning in hell forever? No, it's not. You ready? You ready?

No, you lose even more points because it's not written in a tongue-in-cheek sense. It just plainly doesn't mean what the Protestants and some of the Jews think. Well, some of the Protestants and some of the Jews think that it means. It's not tongue-in-cheek. What does it mean? A graven image, an idolatrous, dumb idol that the Canaanites worshipped like a Baal is not the same thing as venerating an image.

Because all human communication, all human thought is mediated by images. Even if you close your eyes in a perfectly whitewashed room and you pray to God, you're going to have some image in your mind. So there's no way of avoiding the images. What you don't want to do is mistake the image, the appearance, for the thing itself. Which is why veneration and outright worship are different things, and it's why the Catholics and pagans are different. That's why you're going to have to change your car seat. I just got a question. I got to push back a little bit. Your associate producer is Jewish. Okay.

The icons in the church that you're referring to, where are the things they represent currently? Where are they right now? Well, the...

Certain images are of saints and things, so there might be relics of the bodies of saints. But of course a human being is soul and body together, and at death our soul and body separate. But you know, like an icon of St. Thomas, for instance. Where is St. Thomas right now? Well, his soul is in heaven and his body is on earth, and in reliquaries all over the world. It's good that you mention in heaven and in earth, because you talk about how Jewish it's not.

We both share the Ten Commandments. Yes. And what does the Ten Commandments say about making a graven image of something that's in the heavens above or on the lands beneath? What book of the Bible is that in? That is the book of Exodus. The book of Exodus, okay. The Ten Commandments. And what else is in the book of Exodus?

In the book of Exodus. Yeah. I know what you're going to say. You're going to talk about the graven image of the angels on the side of the... Hold on. You're telling me, you're telling me right at almost exactly the same time that God tells the Israelites don't make, according to your interpretation of it, don't make any image whatsoever of anything in heaven. He immediately tells you to craft images of angels who are in heaven. Mm-hmm.

So my interpretation of that would mean, okay, well then that means that God, because God can't contradict himself, this is the first principle of, you know, it's Aristotle's principle of non-contradiction, from which we have to reason, that would mean that God cannot be contradicting himself. So he's not telling us literally we can't have any images of things in heaven. He's saying don't create any idols.

because idols are very wrong but images are just the way that our experience of the world is mediated and this is one evidence of this is that immediately after God says don't do this thing that you think he's saying he immediately tells you to do that exact thing and God would not do that because we're not Muslims and we don't believe that Allah is pure will unbounded by reason. Producer Davies is probably going to have to stop us because this might go for a while. I'm going to give a counterpoint, give a hypothetical.

I understand your logic. I understand why you believe what you believe. Let's say the street in front of the office, the speed limit is 30 miles an hour. Once every two years, NASCAR comes and they do an event on this street. They shut it down. I'm sure you've seen it. They shut it down in Nashville. The police say on this very day, specific people can speed down this street going as fast as they want. Are you to tell me that the law that has been set before this exemption was created

Right? This is nullified. No, no, no. These moral laws are from all time. Okay. They're eternal. God's moral law is not bound by time. It's not constantly changing, like the Libs on morality. Morality is always evolving, man. I understand that. But what I'm trying to say, you're saying that the...

You can make graven images because these angels were made on the side. We can have icons. You can have icons. Okay. Not idols, but icons. But my question now to you is what you're essentially saying is because the police gave permission to the NASCAR to go fast down the street for one specific instance, the law that existed before to not speed on that street after NASCAR is over, I can go ahead and speed down the street as many times as I want. That would be an interesting rebuttal if...

God told us in the book of Exodus, do not make any images of anything on earth except for this one time when I'm telling you to. But he doesn't say except for this one time when I'm telling you to. That part, you're just adding that in. Like some people add words to the Bible. Adding it in? Yeah. There's no except for this one time that's a really special case and only this time. Does the word accept change everything? It certainly would. How would it? Because in what God says, do this, don't do this, and do this. So you say, okay, well, how do I reconcile these two things? They're not in contradiction with each other. Okay, so let me try to make sense of it.

If merely he had said, "Don't do this except this time," then I have no paradox to resolve. That's not what happens here. So it would seem to me, especially just reasoning from the fact that we always have images, we're always mediating our ideas and our discourse through images, that there's no problem with images. The problem is with idolatry. And so even, for instance, even with the exception,

Would you say that the cherubim that the ancient Israelites were ordered to carve for the ark, would you say that those are idols? Does God command that the Israelites construct an idol? I think if the... No, because the angels are a servant of God. They're not God exactly. But it's a graven image. But to create an image used in liturgy, the liturgy of going through the desert, the Exodus, which is the figure of all history,

Isn't your objection to that, that that would be idolatrous? Isn't your objection as a Jew to the images and the statues in the Catholic churches that they're idolatrous? Or is that not your objection? My objection is that they're not idolatrous because God specifically commanded them to create it. But are the images in the Catholic churches idolatrous? In the Catholic churches? Yes. Why are they idolatrous? Why could they not be? Hold on. You just said that the statue in the Ark

is not idolatrous because God said to create it. Let's say God did not say to create it. Let's say that they just, the Israelites misinterpreted and they just created it on their own. Would the statue in the ark necessarily be idolatrous? Would it be an idol? Or is there something, or is there a distinction between an idol

and a different kind of statue of something in heaven. It depends on how the Hebrews would view the angels on the side of the... Exactly. So are the images in the Catholic Church necessarily idolatrous? Or does it depend on how the Catholics view the images? But just because something is not classified as an idol doesn't mean that it's an exception from the rule in the Ten Commandments not to make any graven images. Right, right. I don't think it's an exception. That's a prohibition of a physical act. But okay, so you're saying that the images and the statues in the Catholic Church are not necessarily idols.

It depends upon how the Catholics view them. I mean, I think... If that's true for the Israelites, that's true for the Catholics, isn't it? I'm going to get some hate for this because I... Here we go, baby. Let's go. I'm going to get some hate. I love my Catholic friends to death. I'm going to put that out there. I love them. But I think the only idol that I would name would be Jesus on the crucifix because that's perceived to be God. And to make an image of...

of God is idolatrous. So you're not saying it's idolatrous specifically because of the Catholics, right? And you're not even saying it's idolatrous because you, being a Jew, don't believe that Christ is God yet. But you're saying that to make any image of God would be idolatrous.

I think any image of God would be idolatrous. Why? Because it specifically says. God is not, God, well first, to get into the specifics, God says he's not a man in the Old Testament. And I think he specifically says that he's not a man so that we don't, you know, we don't look to man. Where does he say he's not a man? In the book of Exodus, the book of Deuteronomy. What does he say specifically? I'm not saying both, I'm saying it's one of them. I can't remember which book that's in. But he says he's not a man specifically.

Not just a man who doesn't change, he's not a man who changes his mind. Yep. Immutability, he doesn't change. Immutability. But could you make an image of a thing without confusing the image for the thing itself? Do you ever write down the word God? Of course I write down the word God. But that's an image to represent God. But graven means to construct out of like a... Okay, would you ever carve the word God in a wooden sign to hang on the door? I mean, I don't know if I would consider script an image.

It is an image. Because you communicate with the Bible script. I don't know if writing the Bible is a sin. But you wouldn't say it is. You would say it's not a sin. Just as making other kinds of images that represent God but are not taken to be God are not sins. No, I just...

I think you draw a little bit like you cut too many corners to try and get around the... How am I cutting corners? I'm just explaining what signs and symbols are. You're taking a commandment that says not to make... And this was given right after the golden calf, which they made something that was supposed to represent God in heaven. And he punished, they killed a bunch of people for it. This is a commandment given right after that, not to make any graven image. He specifically says, nothing in the heavens, nothing on the earth, nothing.

And then he tells you to make an image of something in heaven. Correct. And then I'll just reference you back to the NASCAR example I gave you. It's like just because he gives you specific permission to do something at a certain time doesn't mean that the laws that he specifically outlined being eternal are null and void.

Well, if he's contradicting himself, that is what he wants. He says that murder is wrong, but he also told the Israelites to go into Canaan and not spare anybody when they go in and take over. That was a justified war. That gets us back to our justified war point. But you know what else it gets us back to? I'm reminded of this. What? Speaking of creating images. Not of anything in heaven, yet. You've got to make an image of something on earth. You've got to make a nice, beautiful icon. This little terrestrial mug.

and you gotta stitch that in pink on your car and I'm gonna have to be smiling and I'm gonna look like this. Can I say that's against my religion? You can say that all you want, but you're stitching it. Just like this. This is what it's gonna look like on Professor Jacob's car. Destiny, I'm very sorry about that. She says it's okay too. There you go. Alright, now you got two. Professor Jacob, thank you for joining me on today's episode of Yes or No. Everyone should go check out his Instagram at Jacob Falach and Professor

Is your TikTok still alive? I haven't used that thing in like a year. They banned me seven times. Seven times, lost like half a million followers. And then I was like, you know what? They banned my biggest account because I talked about gas prices. That's it? Hold on. Of all the things you've talked about, gas prices? They banned me because of a video talking about gas prices under Biden. And the reasoning was child endangerment.

Wow. What does that even mean? I don't know. Making you drink on this show, I think today it qualifies as child endangerment. Yeah, especially. And then putting you behind the wheel of that Camaro with my face on it, that might be endangerment too. Everyone, go check out Jacob's social media channels to get your dose of Zoomer conservative commentary like this.

I don't know. Conservatives have been saying it forever, but if you need a reminder, critics of Donald Trump are some of the most dishonest people on the face of the planet. Here's a headline from the Fortune. The Vatican asked all Pope Francis funeral attendees to wear black. Trump wore a blue suit. Oh my God. I mean, this is the worst thing. You just made an image of God, by the way. How dare Trump be the only person at this funeral wearing a blue suit instead of black like the Vatican asked. Let me show you something. This right here is the image that the Fortune used.

Pretty damning, right? Trump is the only one in frame wearing a blue suit. Now here is the full image zoomed out. There is a sea of people wearing a blue suit. But it's not just a sea of random people. If we zoom in a little bit, we'll see that your boy Joe Biden is wearing a blue suit as well.

If you want hip, cool, zoomer stuff like that, you know, with your Gat and all your Sigma Bros and everything, go to Jacob's social media channels. Who knows? Hopefully bigger and greater things into the future. Professor Chin Chin, I won. See you next time.