Listener Questions, Grammy Insights & Random Skills :: Ep 42 Try That in a Small Town Podcast
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So what I want to know with the Beyonce thing is there's a lot of people in Nashville that have Grammy votes. They get to vote. Do you guys think anybody in Nashville voted for Beyonce? That was my next question. I was like, what are the people in Nashville? How much pool do they have? What household chore do you enjoy? This is riveting.

Like vacuuming? No, believe it or not. It's a household chore, but it's outside. I pick up dog shit. No, you don't. I wish you lived in my neighborhood. No, you don't. I stepped in it. Well, I can't keep up all the time. Maybe because some of these artists that sometimes they get out there live and it doesn't translate. That's a fact. Or worse than that, you find out who they really are. Labels spend two years...

propping these artists up. And they're not ready for it and they were never ready for it. No. You don't want to name names? I don't. Let's go viral. The Try That in a Small Town podcast begins now. Alright.

Welcome back. I know, I couldn't come in with a straight face. Welcome back to another episode of the Try That in a Small Town podcast. Coming to you from the Patriot Mobile Studios. We've got Thrash with a touchdown. I got my Patriot Mobile hat on. You do? There you go. Got Kalo with the Try That in a Small Town podcast hat. Hey, you can get those on...

We need to push them. We want y'all to buy them. They're awesome. They fit great. They don't touch your ears. And TK, he's got no merch on tonight. Not tonight. Been wearing it out lately. You know, Neil, you look good tonight. What is it? I gotta tell you. You know when your wife leaves town? Yeah, actually. Like the first half hour, you know?

When she leaves and you kiss her goodbye and she's gone and the first half hour you're sitting there and you got your snacks laid out. And I was like, this is going to be awesome. It's just you and the dog. You got the whole house to yourself. Awesome. After that 30 minutes. It's like when you've been happily married for 30 years and you realize real quick.

I can't do this alone. God, you know what? You're right. I always think it's going to be great. Catch up on some TV. Oh, watch what I want to watch. Eat what I want to eat. And that house is silent. Oh, it's not really good. It's not good. TK, you're actually going through that right now too, right? Well, yeah, but my daughter's been home. Your youngest daughter's there. You just realized quick how much they do. Yeah.

Maybe that's it. And Alyssa didn't really care for him, so it's different. The dishes don't make their way into the dishwasher by themselves. No. There's that. Tricky stuff like that. What would Tully's house look like by himself? Tully's clean. He's actually really clean. You ever seen Breaking Bad? Remember when Jesse goes dark? I feel like that's what it would look like. But you can't really say. I mean, you have a newborn, so...

Yeah, there's not a lot of alone times. But yeah, same thing. I eat all the bad things that I usually wouldn't eat because you get out of your norm. Then you feel really bad about it. And you think you're going to stay up and watch movies. You really don't. You just click around. You don't. Oh, yeah, you're going to stay up late. Yeah, it's a lonely time. I migrate from the living room.

To the bedroom. I don't unmake her side. I just unmake my side. Oh, she's not dead. I know. She's just in Birmingham. I know. I know, but I still. I'm not that far. The only reason I do it is so I won't have to make it up in the morning. I see. All I got to do is fold my side back up and throw a couple of throws. Do you make the bed when she's not? No.

Okay. No, I just leave my side undone. But you do make the bed quite a bit. I do, just when she's home. I mean, that's one of the keys to successful people is to make your bed in the morning. Oh, it is? I would rather not, but I do it anyway. I hate doing dishes. I hate loading the dishwasher. I would rather, oh, I hate loading the dishwasher. What household chore do you enjoy? This is riveting.

Like vacuuming? No, believe it or not. It's a household chore, but it's outside. I pick up dog shit. No, you don't. I wish you lived in my neighborhood. No, you don't. I stepped in it. Well, I can't keep up all the time. What are you doing out back anyway? I walk five feet outside and I step in a big pile of Hank's leftovers. Serves you right for not watching where you're going. It was dark. Well...

Take a like. I mean, anyway. But I love picking up dog crap. You're getting in my entertainment space. I love picking up dog crap. Okay. I do because I love my yard to be like how the dogs can play without stepping in anything. We can come out here and walk around and not have to look. And I don't enjoy it, but I like getting the yard clean. I hate loading the dishwasher. I hate doing laundry. I hate any of that.

All of it. I hate it. I got to ask one thing. I like to Swiffer. What do you eat when Lana's not here? Or has she pre-made you meals? No, she has not. Sometimes she will, but she usually... I think she does. No, she leaves a couple of pizzas in the freezer. Okay. And I won't eat all. I'll eat half of it. I can stretch out a pizza for a couple of days. One pizza. I can't do that. It's going to be gone in one sitting. No, me too. It's just like a bottle of wine. It's a single serving. What do you got?

What was that? No, I was just saying a pizza is just like a bottle of wine. It's a single serving. Nice. Hey, Caleb, I saw you posted a video tonight. For some. I wasn't talking about myself necessarily.

What's that? Sorry, we're all over the place. I saw you posted a video tonight. You were looking for some listener questions, right? We're going to try to do a little fan appreciation episode. In a minute. Also, we're going to talk about some interesting things that may have happened this week. Neil, did you guys watch the Grammys last night? Yeah, watched some of that.

Yeah, I watched it. I actually didn't watch it, but I've heard. Does anybody want to start this thing off? I didn't watch it, and no one should be surprised. I'm surprised we're surprised. That's what I'm surprised about. True. It's true, but they just keep on. Which part of not being surprised? Beyonce winning the country. I mean, that shouldn't surprise anybody. They shouldn't. You're right. That's what the Grammys do. You're right. You're exactly right. That's what they do. They are notorious. I was ready to go off, and you're correct. But that's why I don't.

I mean, I used to love watching the Grammys. Long time ago. I mean, yeah, long time ago. Once we realized it was getting more and more, I guess, politically correct. Is that even what it is? I don't know. It is now. The Grammys are a joke. No, I will say we had an amazing time.

one year adam we played um with kelly clarkson but you want to stay so how long ago was that over 10 years ago yeah and it was great because like that year like bruno morris had just hit big springsteen was there mccartney was there and it was really cool that's legit but it was really cool um it feels like that it's it's it's gotten a little bit off the rails

If I remember right, that year, Don't You Want to Stay was up for a Grammy, right? Yeah. And we lost to, do you remember who? Who's good? The Civil Wars. Do you guys remember? But I thought we lost. That's the next Grammy we lost. When we produced Thompson Square? Yeah.

So we lost that one, yeah. I thought we lost that one to the Civil Wars. Okay, maybe that was it. I'm not sure who we lost to Clarkson thing too, but I think Kiss Me or Not was up for Song of the Year and we lost to the Civil Wars. Which they were good, but still not, I mean, we were having commercial success. Yeah. They don't go by that. I've lost a Grammy also.

What song did you have? It was not too long ago. I think it was 2002 or 2008. 2002 or 2008? It's around there. It was a while back. But no, it was Joe Nichols' song, The Impossible. I will say, and it's up for Best Country Song, but one thing that has improved is that the country categories weren't even televised years ago. So at least they're televised now. Well, it's because they're giving it to Beyonce. Yeah.

Yeah, well, I don't know if that was – I don't know if they want to be televised. So what I want to know with the Beyonce thing is there's a lot of people in Nashville that have Grammy votes. They get to vote. Do you guys think anybody in Nashville voted for Beyonce? That was my next question. I was like, what are the people in Nashville – how much pull do they have? Or were they getting pushed to vote for Beyonce? I guess my question is how can they allow that to happen? Yeah.

over laney wilson or stapleton or somebody like that you know i mean well you'd have to think though that there would be more voters in all the other other genres mixed together and just country over here obviously there has to be so if you're all the other genres you're going to vote for the name that you recognize and if you're all those other genres even as laney wilson as big as she is they may not know she is as opposed to beyonce well and

And Beyonce would come up first before Lanny Wilson. She would come up first. So sometimes you just kind of... Yeah, and a little inside baseball is people just don't vote for who they want. It's a political thing. And you say, hey, you guys over here, can you guys vote for my artist? And then we'll reciprocate with something else. Everything's political. If you don't think everything's political, you're naive. I will always believe that Beyonce...

wanted to do a country record because she just wanted to stick it to them. She's like, I'll always believe that she said, hey, watch this. I'm going to go make a country record and watch what happens. And everybody in Nashville just kind of, you know, they stepped aside. It's Beyonce. We better get out of the way. And she just came in. Do you really think she likes country music? Do you really think she listens to it? No, of course not. I think she just came in here, just, hey, watch what I can do. Watch how much power I have. I'm going to do a country record.

It's going to be huge. Jay-Z's coming after you. Whatever. They were successful. They pulled it off. Well, it is a little interesting, though, how this town and this... We just opened the doors. Post Malone, and he's killing it. Yeah. And...

I think he truly loves country music. I think he does too. But it's interesting. And Taylor Swift can come back whenever she wants. And that's fine too. Success is success. And you can't argue Post Malone doing a country album. He's been touring on that. Amphitheaters and arenas. So good for him. I haven't listened to the Beyonce thing.

country album have you heard it no no i didn't hear the album obviously i heard the one song i just felt like she was making fun of fun of nashville it just felt that way post malone seems authentic he seems like he genuinely loves the music that comes out of nashville hers felt like she's just poking fun at us he just felt that way to me it's just me well did you guys see uh kanye's entrance to the red carpet

I did. I saw the news this morning. So he accomplished that as well. You didn't see it? No. His wife was basically naked. Not even basically, yeah. She had a sheath on or some sort of see-through. Yeah, I don't even know if they got in the building, actually. What? So they went into the red carpet, and she's wearing nothing. Nothing? Nothing.

Nothing. Nothing. And now we're talking about it, so mission accomplished. Yeah, that's exactly it. But they didn't go in like that? Oh, they tried. Jim says they were escorted out. Escort being the key word. Interesting. It was a nice dress. Hey, do you guys know that host of the Grammys?

What's his name? I didn't watch it. He's a comedian, isn't he? He's got a talk show, too. He does a late night show or something. I said, since there's a new administration in Washington, this might be my last time hosting. I didn't actually understand what that meant. What did he mean by that? Well, one can only assume. Because of his color? I think so. Okay. I think so. I didn't really catch that. So what's he afraid of? Exactly. Exactly.

what's gonna happen i don't know what is gonna happen when there's somebody there he goes what's gonna happen to you dude seriously it's you know what that stuff is entertaining because the only reason i watched it just to see how many political jabs they were going to take yeah you know and how how bizarre the music and the

the show was going to be, and it never lets you down. It never fails. Yeah. Jim just said it's Trevor Noah. I actually didn't even, I didn't even, I don't even actually know who that is. Yeah. I'm I've seen him on time. I don't know, Jim, do you know what show I can, I can see his face. Okay. So he's at least got some kind of resume. Oh yeah. He does. Yeah. Like I said, I've been out of the Grammy thing for a while. I just, I just saw the news and

Wanted to get your guys' opinions on it. He made a comment. We could go on and on and on. He made a comment on the big pony, I think, but I forget what it was. He said, that's about when I was coming in is when the chapel, she had performed and it was the big, I guess it's the pink pony. I'm colorblind, but I think it was pink. Yeah, the pink pony.

He said something about it. He said something about My Little Pony or whatever. That old, you know, the jingle, you know. I mean, you had one of those back when you were a kid, you know. My little pony, my little pony, I love to brush her hair. Remember, didn't you have one of those? Oh, no. Wasn't that? Well, that's what I thought of.

We're about to lose our only two sponsors. Thanks, KLO. But that's just what I thought of when I saw the pink pony. By the way, just for housekeeping, Trevor Noah hosted The Daily Show and was on some late night show as well. All right, what about some questions? We got any questions? Somebody got them written down? I had an old one that before I forget, I'll go back over to. It was back when we had Pete on.

and our punk rock drummer friend right he got he got fired you know because he had an illness and he couldn't take the covid shot right yeah offspring fired him yeah right so anyway so we had somebody like after that and i was gonna comment on that night my wife wouldn't let me and and it's it's from the the name is guardian overseas and says you're still talking about covid get a life

I'm thinking, well, we're still talking about it because that's our guest. He got fired because of it, and that's why we're talking about it. So it's not like we're just randomly talking about COVID. Today's COVID night. Was that a comment on like during that episode? Yeah, it was just like right after it, and it just kind of stuck with me for a minute. I've got to read those more. I do. I need to get on after our episode. That's what I do during snack time at night. You know?

Try it when they're putting the baby down. Do you guys know anybody like that? And we probably asked this before, but during COVID that was very insistent on that option.

side of the fence that has since said man i guess i didn't know all the information right and apologized or you know i think i don't know i feel like they're sticking to their guns yeah i think they're you know going down with their shit you know what i mean but i have you know like people like myself who you know asthma

you know, had my whole life. I was worried about COVID initially. So I got the, I got the first shot, you know what I mean? Because I was, you know, I'm known a couple of people that, that had an issue getting COVID and asthma. So, and since then I've been like, crap, I wish I wouldn't have gotten that first shot. I know a lot of people that have got the first one that said, nah, didn't need it. Right. You know, but I know people have got like,

six shots now and they're still I mean they'll get whatever shot Travis Kelsey tells them to get boom it's awesome well I mean he didn't respond to my text about the pickleball so I'm going to fire some jobs out on my guys I remember that we were supposed to have a challenge it's about the season now that he's with Taylor he can't be friends with us anymore because he's with Taylor

That's what it feels like, Travis. Maybe he'll take enough of those shots over the course of the next 20 years and it'll weaken him to where y'all can possibly have a chance. Aaron Rodgers called him Mr. Pfizer, which is still my favorite nickname. I liked Aaron's thing. What was it? He was on McAfee. He does that weekly spot with Pat McAfee.

And I forget whatever everybody was responding to, but he said, okay, from now on, when you respond to this, you first have to acknowledge which booster you're on. Yeah.

Because that'll let me know where you stand. Hey, you know what there was in the beginning? And Kayla, what's the guy's name that's mad about COVID? Guardian of Seas. Guardian of Seas will be mad at this. We're talking about COVID. Guardian Overseas. Sorry, so you don't know. Overseas, for sure. When COVID happened, though, I do remember, I mean, I was a little nervous about it just because unknown. Yeah, I think everybody was. And then once you get, you realize now, wow, we just...

Lied to and i'm glad only got one shot. Yeah, but people still they're still getting them. I mean you can yeah, I

I wish them well. I do. I hope nothing bad happens to those people. We need to try that in a small town booster. It's got crown royal in it. It's got crown royal. It's got some a little hand sanitizer mixed in there. Celsius crown and hand sanitizer. It's got a little mosquito repellent because mosquitoes get really bad. Hey, it might work better than the actual vaccine. It works great when you sweat.

That's great. Hey, what's that question Ed sent? Yeah, I was just trying to read it. Number two is a good one. Number two? Yeah. Question number two. Can you read it? It says, given the amazing success you guys had writing Try That in a Small Town, Tough Crowd, and Rather Watch You on the Highway Desperado album, how much writing have you done together since then?

and any chance we see some of your songs on aldine's next album or for some other artist that is a very timely question it is considering we're going in that is completely up to i sent that did you tell ed to send that question i will be the first to say i am sad and disappointed that we

hadn't written enough together all four of us that's true um i think a lot of that could be concentrating on the podcast and just everybody being busy and everybody's been busy this you know um we have all we have wednesdays down now so we're starting to get a little bit we need we need we just need to remedy that because that actually as as we look back on it was like a something i'm not really happy about the fact that we had

or good run of great songs. I mean, just kind of, you know, and it's no one's fault, but it just happens sometimes. I mean, me, Neil and Kurt have written 75 songs this year. Right. We got a bunch on track. Right. Meanwhile, I paid for the podcast. Great. We'll reimburse you with the money from our song. Y'all are blessing me like you're welcome. You're so welcome.

Hey, how about taking this idea and the podcast equipment? Thanks a lot, Ed. See what you started. I haven't written 75 songs ever in a year. And I brought you guys spiked eggnog. What a fool. Thinking it would work. No, seriously, though. It's a great point, though.

That we have not written enough, the four of us, which is insane because it's obviously is very successful. So we will fix that. Things to work on. It is things to work on. I just see one from Kimberly. This actually is a pretty good one and it makes me think.

of one of y'all's songs. Have any of you had a song that you've written that you weren't sure about or even disliked, but it ended up recording and turns out it's one of your favorites? Anybody got one? Bunch of them. I know you told me about one. Lots of them. Give me one. Well, Night Train, number one. That's what I was thinking because I've heard you say that. I didn't, I mean, I just, we wrote it so fast. And the funny thing is that's such a

I mean, it's such an awesome song. It's probably good now, and I saw it after the fact because we didn't think. We just go. We just went. You and Michael Delaney, right? Yeah. But the way it got cut was really interesting, though. I've told you this before, that it was we were producing Christy Lee Cook, and it came in as a pitch for her. And then we listened to it, and Aldine's like, I love that. That's how that happened, which was you never know in this town.

Yeah. It's a great song. Flower States was a song that was, I remember being on. See, that was one of my ones that I, that was like. Yeah, you knew that was a great song. But I remember that back in the old days and CD was lying around and that was on our bus.

for a while oh yeah like years a few years just laying around you know yep anyway kayla do you have a song that you maybe didn't think was great or say it necessarily say it tolly say it i know i love all kayla's song hotelio say it say it no i'm not you know what you know what

I love that song. No, I'll say this. There's not one that was a radio hit that I thought, oh my gosh, I can't believe that never had a chance. There are a couple that I wondered what would happen once it got out there. You know, like one of Tully's favorites, Ticks.

um i didn't know like no way would i say oh for sure that's a slam dunk that's a that's absolute smash right um but i didn't know i didn't know that you know but like others where you'd think all right that's right down the middle everybody nobody would hate that right so i'd say it's probably maybe maybe one of them um i don't know so many you think all your songs are hits is that what you're saying

You thought when you got done writing them, all of them were hits. I'm not ashamed of any of them. But that wasn't the question. Do you have one that was like, never getting cut, that's whatever, next? I don't know. I'd have to ponder it. I don't know that anything that's been a single that I think, I never thought that'd be recorded because of the subject matter. I'm not sure. I don't think so.

I'm thankful. I'm just not... I don't know that anything's been... You're thankful for every one of them. Yeah, I've been... There's a handful of them. I'm like, that'll never get cut. It's not good enough. I guess my bar is like way up here, I guess. And I way overthink stuff. I have to. Yeah, that's part of your thing, Dutch. And it works. I'm trying to get better at it. There's still... What about you, Kurt? I don't know. Any songs that... You know, I just realized...

What? You do a great job. You're the host of the podcast, really. He's Captain Kirk. I don't want to be the host. But you kind of are. Yeah, but you... But no one ever asks you questions. Let's ask you a question. Wow. Do you have any songs? Let's pile on Kirk. Yeah. No, after Granger asked me. Granger Smith asked me a question.

That was awesome, by the way. That was. We love Granger. What a great episode. Are y'all skipping that question? I am. See how I did that? See how I deflected and moved? Any songs that have been recorded that you've been like, I can't believe that got cut? I don't know. Help me because we write everything together. Yeah. Honestly, I mean, I think I'll speak for you again. Thank you. I think if we don't like something, we just don't write it. Yeah. We erase these days.

So, you know what I mean? I've done that a lot. You know, I've got a bunch of just, yeah. Titles are sitting there that I'm like, nah, I'm not going after that. Yeah. I mean, I think another good question would be, and you can start with Neil because you're really hard on yourself. Are there songs that have been recorded that you feel should have been singles? Oh, God. That list is longer than any other list. Like two or three. Oh, God. Yeah.

You mean start with Aldine? I want to start with one of yours. You want to start with Aldine? Yeah, whatever you want. I see you when I see you. I have no agenda. See you when I see you is like, it's like that should have been, and I think even Aldine regrets not putting it out. Feel that again. I used to love that song. Feel that again. Staring at the sun. See you when I see you. What happened? That was just on a stacked album. That's what happened to that song because that wasn't my kind of party album. Yeah. And that was a...

I mean, you had two singles off that album, right? I don't remember. I believe you did. They have Flapper States and...

and tattoos so i mean and then we had you know that you know dirt anthem yeah party uh party yeah don't you want to stay yeah a lot of yeah you know what i mean so like you ran out of that and that and otherwise because there's three albums worth of songs on flats and aldine that that in my mind should have been singles because i just they were they were just great songs and i'm not trying to toot my own horn i just knew they were great songs

Sometimes you can say, like, for example, Feel That Again, which I don't know that song. But that might not have been a single just because imagine the strip I had. It reminds me of that song. Like if you have Jason Aldean, Feel That Again. You remember the song? I don't know who the artist was, but it was years ago. And it was, I don't know, let's say it's Jake Smith.

holding my own and it was a big strip ad on billboard see i love this is what i love about and i'm like i'm sorry to interrupt and i'm like does he not have any friends anybody he thinks about the record label that says hey dude somebody he'll see a title okay we'll see a title and go how's that gonna look on a strip and and that's really i mean it's before the song's even written he's like look good on a strip but imagine that on an 18 wheeler get like no that's not why hold on i know but i get it i don't know i don't know the guy i know that i don't know the guy

Simple, because back in those days, Jason, like Benny Brown would have a big hand and allow the singles that were picked. That's true. Still, Jason had a little more control at that point, but still, and there was other, I remember one of my most, which I can't stand this moment, I hate that we did it, 1994. I knew you were going to say that.

You want to tell that story? I do want to tell it. And then it's our podcast, so I can do whatever I want to do. Joe, Joe, Joe Diffay. Here's what happened. I remember when that song came in, after Dirt Road Anthem, Jason kind of broke down a lot of walls with that song. But the thinking like a label does, the label's like, oh, we need another one of those. And I told, I remember, and Jason will tell you this, I remember me and Kurt talking to him, and we said, man, we heard the demo, and we're like,

don't cut this. If you cut it, they're going to want to do something with it because it just reminds them of what, you know, it's something in their mind that's different. And he goes, Oh man, no, we'll make Benny happy. We'll cut it, you know, and we'll just be on the album as a, as a cool thing. I said, no, this is going to be, they're going to push it. And that's what happened. Cut it. And it knocks songs that feel that again, but,

And it kind of stalled the entire album because the Night Train record is good. 1994 was the first song. And I don't know how many. He had a string of number ones. Number one, number one, number one, number one. 1994 came out. Streak over. There's another song of yours that I actually even more so than Feel That Again was Talk.

Oh, that's another good song. That was really cool. But we kind of stalled. We hit a road bump in 1994 and it's a tough pill to swallow now. It's like we played that for a little bit, what, a tour or so? Yeah. And suffered through it. And it was just the first moment where like, uh-oh. Yeah.

I think we might have stubbed our toe. You're right. It was uh-oh. Hey, guys, we got to get to a break. We're going to get a word from our sponsors. As always, listen, don't skip through it. I know it's easy. These sponsors mean a lot to us. We'll talk a little bit more about it on the other side, but hang with us. We'll be right back.

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What about it, Jim? What about old phlegm, Jim? Jim phlegm-ing them. Slap into a phlegm, Jim. Well, I've been thinking about you all day, baby. Waiting on that sun to go down. Well, you say I pick you up after work. You slide

We slip out to the outskirts of town I got a blanket and a fifth of comfort Slide on over A little something to knock off the edge It's supposed to get a little cool tonight Looks like I'm gonna have to hold you tight

♪ About a mile off Home Hill Road ♪ ♪ That spot nobody knows ♪ ♪ We'll park the truck and we'll take on running ♪ ♪ Hurry up girl, I hear it coming ♪ ♪ Got a moon and a billion stars ♪ ♪ The sound of steel in a robot's cars ♪ ♪ The thought of you is driving me insane ♪ ♪ Come on baby, let's go listen to the night ♪

Oh, you milk that. I love it. That was Neil Thrasher with Night Train. Only. Oh, phlegm Thrasher. That's a song that you didn't think was great. I mean, you get chills listening to that thing. Where else...

are you going to hear well actually i'll tell you where else you might hear something like that let's talk about this i just thought about this you just went on the god's country podcast right let's talk about that because that was awesome that you did that yeah those guys had me on and uh we talked hunting golfing and songwriting if you haven't seen it check it out because that's awesome those guys are great right yeah yeah yeah dan and reed israel are awesome dudes and they're really good and

We should probably have them on sometime. I think so, too. It'd be fun. Oh, yeah. They've written some Luke Combs stuff. They've had a bunch of stuff out there. What song did you do on their podcast? I think I did a little bit of Night Train because they loved that one. We did some Fast Cars and Freedom. Amazing. They had me do... Well...

uh reed saying uh how country feels i just sat there and played it he made me sit there and play it why because he wanted to sing it and it was awesome it was awesome that's cool but yeah we encourage you guys to check out just check out their podcast in general and of course neil's episode that's awesome we we

We champion those guys. And speaking of podcasts, I want to go back a little bit to Tully. You did Brad Warren's podcast a little while ago. And he also has an incredible podcast too. And talk about that experience a little bit too. Yeah. Brad's podcast is really, um,

it was interesting because his podcast deals a lot of like healing. Yeah. Tell people the name of his good grief, good God. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, if you haven't watched any of them, it's great. And what's, what's crazy about that. He, he had me on there. We go way back with Brad and his brother to the nineties with those guys. And what was interesting about that is like, I knew he wanted to talk about Vegas a little bit, which I never talk about. And yeah,

I did. And it was interesting because it was, I think maybe because we go so far back, I felt a little more comfortable. So that was, I actually found myself forgetting that it was being filmed. Yeah. And I think- Which is kind of cool. Go ahead. Because he'd been through, Brad lost his son and him and his wife. They do their best to try to use that to help others. And anyway, that was a-

Like I really did forget it was being filmed. And which I think is kind of cool when you're that comfortable, which I think we try to do here when we have people on is to make it comfortable and realize that, you know, you can just kind of be yourself. 100%. You guys, make sure you check out those episodes because that's great. Neil on God's Country and of course, totally on Brad. We'll have Brad on too because Brad, you know, is a...

And Brad. They're both great. Have them both on. Absolutely. And some talented boys, too. They're great, and they're funny. But Brad's really... I think when he went through losing his son, I think it obviously changed...

And you, and of course you, you never the same after. So, I mean, we know, we, we know a few guys that have lost kids. Yeah. Casey Beathard. Oh, it's Jeffrey Steele. Yeah. It's, it's a, can't, I can't imagine it in, in having, like I said, when I was on this podcast, it was actually, actually thanked him for having that platform because I never really talked about it. Um,

just with a friend of mine like that. And I realized a lot of stuff came out that probably needed to, because, you know, we, we never not to go on about Vegas, but we, we never really talked about it. No, we just kind of, that's how the band deals with stuff. We've done, that's how we deal with stuff today. We just kind of internalize it and deal with it amongst the six of us. But it was good to get some of that out anyway.

I think, you know, also, you know, I've said this. I think I've heard you say this. When you are – it's hard for me to talk about it when someone can't understand that scenario. You can't describe that scenario. But if somebody has been through their own traumatic experience, somehow you can feel that.

bond of being able to share that i think you probably did with him and i think as as guy i mean i'm guilty of this and i'm i think as dudes in general we're sometimes don't think it's okay to talk about stuff like that you know i mean and i think we're finding out you know we've we've that you need to talk about it you know um instead of just kind of holding it all in and

Kind of letting it drag you down, you know? Yeah, it's kind of like probably people of our dad's generation was don't talk about it, be strong, move forward. And, you know, there is something to that to be strong for your family, but also you need to be able to talk about things too that are weighing on you. Yeah, I know. Everybody deals with it in different ways. Some people want to be alone. Some people want to talk to somebody. Yeah.

And that's how, I mean, I've always was, was still him. It was like, I'd rather just, you know, Kurt said like, don't have time to feel bad for myself. There's no time for that. Sometimes though, like when I was talking to Brad that day, it was like, felt kind of lighter after. Because he's been through the ultimate, you know, losing a child. I can't imagine. No. You know what I mean? So anyway. Yeah.

Oh, all right. Okay. Well, at the end of the day, we have so much to be thankful for. Amen. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. I'm just wondering, was that part mundane? Yeah. Was it? I don't know. I don't think so. I don't think so.

No, we're actually just playing. We tell people that we should record our breaks because they get funny, and we got a comment, which we won't say who it was from, but it was actually amazing. It says, no, people like the mundane. And that was an uninvited guest as well. It was actually amazing. I think she meant it as a compliment. She did. She did. I hope.

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You raised your hand like the captain over here. The professor over here. Since we're talking industry stuff tonight a little bit, the question here from Michael, where do you see this industry headed in the next five years? Oh, gosh. Doom and gloom? I don't know. I mean, I know what I would like to see happen, which is to kind of come back to like,

finding and developing really strong talent without worrying so much about, okay, what do they have on the socials right now? What's their following on social media? Just kind of getting back to finding real talent, even though they may not have a social media following. You know what I mean? Okay, so how does that happen is the question because we are in a day and age of social media that rules everything.

Unfortunately, the success of a lot of things. Well, I think you can find them. I think labels, not to. Social media has made labels lazy. Well, that's what I mean. I feel like we can still find a talent and let them use the machine to build it versus having to walk in with 500,000 Instagram followers or TikTok. Build a career from the ground up. Let them help.

We used to do that. There used to be an A&R guy that would walk into MCA Records or whatever record label and go, hey, I saw this dude in Texas in this club down there, so-and-so club. You need to go check him out. That's what Knox did with Aldean? Yeah, exactly. And they would all load up and go down there and watch him on a Friday night or a Saturday night and go, holy cow, this dude's

And they would sign him right there on the spot. That don't happen no more. So I wonder. Yeah, they would break the artist, and now the artists have to break themselves. That's right. And then the label participates. Neil actually nailed it. That's exactly right, though. Neil nailed it. Love the labels, but it's becoming, okay, what's your Instagram following? They don't have to. It's all right here. It's all right here. They want you to bring it in. And we're missing out on a lot of great talent because of that. Okay, so maybe I'm going to try to answer my own question to you.

Maybe because some of these artists that will remain nameless, the crown has gotten to me, sometimes they get out there live and it doesn't translate. That's a fact. Or worse than that, we find out who they really are. Right. Labels spend two years propping these artists up.

And they're not ready for it. And they were never ready for it. No. And so they get out there live and like people go, you don't want to name names.

I don't. Let's go viral. But what I'm saying is... I want you so bad. Let Kurt get his point out. This may be why we don't hear from him much. Okay? Go ahead, Kurt. No, but that is my point. And that's how we built superstars was because they went in the trenches. They gained a following. They had supporters. They built their following.

All of it at one. So now it's a TikTok world and they get out there live and people are like, meh.

Not really my thing. He wasn't as good as I thought. Cody Johnson was like from the ground up. Oh, yeah. Well, there's been a couple of them. Yeah, he's one of them. I bet he doesn't even have a social media account. He may now. Well, I'm wondering, like, yeah, do the Chris Stapletons? That's right. Does he have a social? Yeah, but, you know, Stapleton, Cody Johnson, those guys came –

I mean, they built their followings. I mean, Stapleton made it in one night with Justin Timberlake, but that was freaking... But like, so good. That was their performance of the century. It's a good point, though. Because when Chris came along, he kind of looked still before the real TikTok and the real emphasis on the social media. It's been the last five years. It feels like it's really turned to... It's almost a prerequisite for...

And I don't even say it's almost. It actually is a prerequisite. Yes, it is. Like to let people in on what's happening. You can't get a record deal 99.9% of the time if you don't have a social media following already. Which is why I love what Jason's done with Night Train Records and signing John Morgan. Yeah. John Morgan had...

He is the 0.01%. Yeah. But it takes someone like Jason. Wait a minute. Do I own a record label? No. It's a cool name. Now they just use your name. Oh, oh, oh. Yeah. But. I'll send you a t-shirt. Well, for. You got to pay for it. Half off, but. You don't get any royalties off of it. But seriously though, it takes someone like Jason to say, you know what? I'm going to sign you and use the machine to,

kind of build up your social media which which and now and now john's sitting there with basically a top 10. so i think it's there you just gotta approach it like old school a r which which i kind of miss the days you know there's there's one um i'm not how sure you guys feel about this but one way of thinking is okay it's nice to have spotify and all that stuff and people can release music youtube and all that stuff but it's it's also nice to have

The head of a label with an A&R team saying, we believe in this guy. Let's cut great songs. Yeah, let's build it from the ground up. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, that's my... I mean, I can almost see both sides of it. I'm not a producer, not artists or anything like that, but back in the day, which we were used to with A&R and we'd pitch songs and they'd have artists and they'd sign them and they would spend money and they would break this act.

Then you could say, okay, some great talent got out there, but there was still a bunch that didn't get signed. There's a lot of people that are super talented, and there's no rhyme or reason why. Your songs are recorded and theirs aren't. You stay here and you get paid and they move back to Oklahoma. A lot of times, a lot of talented people just don't make it. So you might could argue, like back in the day, there wasn't enough getting in, and now maybe there's –

you know, there's just multiple ways in. And I would say just to go to the question of where do you think the industry will be in five years? I think, I think some talented people will always be left out, but I think music will always find a way. And I think the great ones that are stubborn enough to figure it out, we'll figure it out and get out there somewhere. John Morgan's a perfect example of that. I mean, there's, I mean, 99.9% of the artists out there can't carry his lunch and it's starting to show.

I'm worried about our craft, though, as a song writing part of it. Oh, that I'm scared to death of. Because we should be. Because, you know, radio is definitely, let's be honest, you can see it happening where it feels like the streaming services are dictating chart. I have a solution for that, by the way. Well, I mean, we should get on it because it's, you know. It's more of a suggestion. What is it? That would be a solution.

I'm interested because I wonder if it's... No, Elon Musk needs to buy Spotify, reconfigure the pie of how the money gets allocated, leave Pandora, Apple Music, all the rest of them out for the time being, take over...

Spotify on all the music for the time being or stream all the music, pay the writers what their fair share is, get everybody to jump on board on Spotify, leave everybody else out in the cold, and everybody eventually will have to come in and play by the rules. It's got to happen. I don't know if people are interested in this or not. I think it's a great idea. It is. But with Spotify and with digital royalties,

Producers are actually paid pretty well. Players are actually paid pretty well. There was a year that I made more money from singing harmonies on Jason's record than I did as a songwriter. Yeah, vocalists are paid very well. The songwriters are not. We're the only ones as that kind of entity that are not being paid for digital music.

So, Elon, if you're listening, help a brother out. I want you to buy a spot. Help a brother out. And also, as well, I mean, we have so many friends at radio. Radio's been so good to us. Everyone at this table has benefited from the great people at Country Radio.

I get concerned a little bit by following, you know, by so much of the streaming, like how that affects the playlist. It's like, you know, radio is a very, in this genre, radio to me is still very powerful. Like if you have a artist that's streaming a million a week on Spotify, probably still can't really go out and sell a lot of hard tickets. But when you've got a top 10 or top five, you can really feel, okay, well, all of a sudden you're selling 800 tickets at a club, right? It's a powerful tool, but

I hope radio realizes how powerful they are and they can break artists too. If they approached it like they wanted to break an artist that maybe wasn't on spot, you know what I mean? Like instead of following the trends of what's streaming, because otherwise what's the reason to listen to radio? Cause it really, I mean, there's, you know, it's all we have left. And when it's gone, this profession, the songwriting profession is gone. It goes extinct. Yeah.

And that's why I was saying the Elon thing. He's a creator. Elon Musk is a creator. He's an inventor. He's a creator. He's a creative mind. That's what we do. And we're not being compensated for our creativity these days with streaming. And when radio goes away, when terrestrial radio goes away, we're done. It's over. So what happens then? Okay, say we don't have Elon come down and save everything. What happens to people like us who don't?

who want to write great songs and the young artists need us to help write songs with them. It's going to be up to the labels and them to split the pie a little more evenly than it is now because we're a sliver that you can barely see in the pie. That's where we are right now, and it's going to be up to them. The labels are going to have to let loose. The artists are going to have to let loose.

Or continue to write your own stuff and it's going to suck. Yeah, for the artists who are writing and those camps, those people that are blessed enough to be in those camps, they're generally going to survive pretty good. And you do have...

And it's difficult because technology will always outrun the law. But you have NSAI, you have Bart Herbson over there on the hill with us, Nashville Songwriters Association. That dude's a warrior, man. And trying like everything to get writers fairly compensated. It just takes a lot of people. It takes a lot of money. And...

It's hard. I may get an apartment in Washington. I think that'd be great. I may get an apartment in D.C. I think it'd be great. And just stay on them. I may do it. I'm serious. I may do it. That may be my calling. But you don't like to go off campus very much. I don't know, but I may get an apartment in D.C. I may do it. I don't think people really realize either how much the songwriters don't make from streaming.

Yeah, it's almost criminal. I'll give you an example. I mean, on a three-way, maybe, three-way, 100,000 streams. By the time it's all split up, the rider on 100,000, the three-way, one of the riders is going to make about $24,000.

$24 on 100,000 streams. So do the math. I think that's roughly it right around that area. By the time it's all split, you make about $24 every, you know, about 100,000 streams, $27.

Something like that. Yeah. So go ahead and amp that up to a million streams and then go ahead and amp it up to 2 million, 10 million streams. You're still poor. Yeah. If you just want to come here and write songs, you are going to be probably in the future, five years from now, there's a possibility you're going to be poor if that's what you want to do. Yeah. And that's what this town's built on, on songwriters. And it's sad to see...

it kind of going that way. You know what I mean? But you've seen a decline in quality of song. God, this is so depressing. I know. I was like, we got to change gears. Anyway, let's go with this one. I don't think it's a downer at all. I mean, it's not going to change until people speak up. I don't think people realize it, though, either. Like the listeners. No, they don't. And they don't realize that the Grammys are not voted on by the fans. They don't realize that that's voted on by the industry.

It's the only reason Beyonce won country album of the year. Are you freaking kidding me? That wasn't voted on by, here we go. I'm fixing to go. I know. Finally, we got thrash talking. Let's change gears a little bit. This one's from Tim. Has anything weird or funny ever happened on stage? Like have you fallen or ripped your jeans or anything?

Don't let me ever rip your jeans. Just make sure you wear black. Well, I have definitely fallen. That is a thing. Ben, I don't remember that. It's been a minute. Is it on video? I don't know. Go search the YouTube. I have definitely fallen. It's been a minute.

But, and then he says, well, what do you do if you fall? And well, you get up. I mean, you got to own it. It's kind of a thing. Yeah. What do you do? I mean, you do enough shows, something's going to happen. How would you fall?

I don't remember you falling. You don't run. I mean, you're pretty active on stage, but you don't run. Well, I mean, I'm not Forrest Gump. I was running. Here's a funny story for you. So back in 2001 or two, we were doing a showcase at the stage on Broadway in Nashville. Me and Kurt were in a band and we're doing the showcase. And he jumps up and then he lands and he's like on the ground on his back.

like kind of wincing, but still playing. So I'm like, wow, Kurt's can land it out there or not. I like it. So I went and I, I kind of, I kind of went and stood over him, you know, and kind of started playing over him, like stepping on him. I'm like, yes, it's awesome. It was total rock and roll. And then I realized that he was wincing in pain. He's grabbing his chest. He actually blew his knee out. Yeah. I tore my ACL on stage.

I went up for a jump. If anybody knows Eddie Van Halen, he used to jump up. I loved Eddie. He did the split. Yeah, so I used to do that all the time. And I went up, and I came down, and that knee went out. I thought it was rocking out like...

That happens in pickleball, too. It's still rock and roll, even with the blown knee. It's rock and roll. No, we carried him off. It was really rock and roll. Did you hold that one finger up on the way out? Like a stretcher? Like they do on a football field? I did this. Did I hear that you've had four ACL surgeries? Yeah, it's been a bad run. Four? Yeah, it's been a bad run.

Now, Kurt used to, I mean, serious. I didn't realize it was so dangerous. I don't know a football player that's had four ACL surgeries. Well, after a while, you get tired of rehabbing, so they're weak and they're more susceptible. He could jump, too, back in the day. Air. Oh, yeah. Air. Yeah. I'm trying to think. I don't think in all of the, what, 25 plus years we've been together, I can't think of anything that's happened to you on stage ever that's

that has been he maintains the a-frame yeah he's got a solid stance and he plays bass i mean you know how i mean how much movement is there there's only four strings wow my god yeah he looks good he can't move around he wants everybody to look at him he can't see him if you have a great stance you have a great stance there's some stills around here so i gotta know i gotta know when you guys when you when uh you you two kurt and tully when did y'all grow the beards

What was the facial hair? When did that come on? Well, I did it a while ago. The early video, there's no facial hair. No, no, no. Maybe 10 or 15 years ago, I did a beard for about a year, but then I got rid of it. And recently, maybe the last two or three years. So you've kind of always done a little bit of stubble and pain. Yeah.

It's been a long time since I had a clean-shaven face. This is very mundane. This is riveting. This is riveting. Are you talking about getting some followers? Just keep going because there ain't no telling what's... Guys, are we just stacking up? Boy, the ticker is... Yeah, keep talking about your beard growing. Go on. This is great.

We could talk about your hernia. Oh, gosh. I got thought of a great song idea, at least, out of it. I don't have the hernia. I don't want to mention it because somebody will steal it from us. To bring that up. We're all on it, but yeah, don't mention the title. No, I won't say the title, but because Kalo had a hernia, we all got to feel it. We all got to see it because he was proud of it. It was sticking out like a nipple. It was like he had three nipples. No, no, no. It was down here by your belly button, but it was sticking out like a nipple. It's not.

It was really cool. Did you see it? Oh, God. He showed it to us. We got a song idea out of it and the four of us wrote it.

Really? Oh, yeah. That's where the song idea came from. You got to be kidding me. No, no, no. The doctor put him on drugs. He got on drugs. He started taking pills for the pain. And it was fantastic. I'm almost saying. No, no, no. He skirted. So we wrote a song. So y'all stay tuned. The song may or may not. Wouldn't that be awesome? So stay tuned. Here's one. Yeah, let's get one more in.

We better make it really good. Yeah, I don't know. A lot of pressure on you. What's your random skill or hobby you have that people don't know about? Kurt, go ahead. Thank you. That's my gift to you tonight. Get us going. Has anybody got one? Because random skill or hobby? I have a very random skill. Okay, what? I mean, it's a stupid skill. What is it? I could type like 60 words a minute. Are you serious? I haven't done it in a while, but for some reason...

In high school, the only thing that stuck with me was this keyboarding class. So you do all four fingers? All going.

A S D F. I mean, you know, the home row, we learned that in seventh grade. I mean, then you can just type. No, seriously though. I could, I could like type pretty good with just like, not even like, just well, how come when we write, you don't have a laptop. You have a iPad. I know it. Why? I'm just saying, I don't, I don't think my typing skills are sharp right now, but I know he has for a long time, for a long time. Like, I mean, I could, I could type. Okay. That's good. That's a great answer. It's very random.

No, it's very random. I mean, it is. That's the one that threw me. The word random threw me. I'm like, oh, God, I can't think of anything random. We all have tons of hobbies that we like, but like a random weird skill. Loving on Lana. He's had a random hobby. Oh, that's going to do it. That's good enough. Yeah, that is interesting.

What about you, Kalo? I don't think, no, I don't, I mean, besides typing, which I believe the whole world can do, I don't, I don't have any. Oh my God. What is it with you tonight? I don't have a mundane skill. He is on telly tonight. What is it? No, everybody types. Is there? So you can type, everybody types? Oh yeah. Oh gosh, yeah. Okay. I didn't know that. I think. I mean, right? I mean, everybody still goes to school, right? I don't know. I think most people type like this. That makes sense. Yeah. I mean,

I got all fingers going. Can you type, Caleb? Yeah, I can type. Why don't we have a typing contest? Good Lord. We could. Forget the pickleball. If you thought this episode was exciting, wait until next week when we have a typing contest. The type-off. It'll be fantastic. Bring in the standard typewriters, guys. Cut the white out. Yeah.

Do you have a random one? A random talent? A hobby? No. I enjoy golf. I mean, it's not exciting. It's a hobby. It's not a random skill. Yeah, it's not random. You said hobby. No, random hobby. No, I have nothing. Golf's not random. I've got nothing. I have nothing. Kurt, let's don't miss you. What kind of random thing before we... No, I think Kalo's would be a hand sanitizer. That's not a hobby.

It's not a hobby. Mr. Been sick since November who now carries hand sanitizer. I do. You know, I was going to read Ed's question. How do you guys get along so well? Still after all this time. But this is how. That's next episode. Yeah, this is next episode. Guys, I'm serious. I hope everybody enjoyed it. I hope you stuck it out. It was a little bit of here, there, everywhere. I love it. It's fantastic. I know you do. I feel like I haven't seen you guys in years.

Had some football news come across the wire. Give it to us. Breaking news. Oh. Well, you probably saw it. Probably not breaking. So the Rams are looking to trade Cooper Cup. Yeah, I saw that, actually. Is he a quarterback? Good Lord. No, I'm kidding. Surprising, though. I mean, maybe, maybe not. I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. I love football. Ditching the money. Speaking of that, since you brought that up, who in the draft? I know what quarterback I would love to see the Titans draft.

But which one would y'all like to see? Cam Ward. Yeah, I'm with you. That's my pick. We have a quarterback. Cam Ward. He's definitely my pick. Definitely my pick. I mean, I don't know if he's worth a number one pick, but I think they need to pick him. They need to pick him. Cam Ward. I've watched him too much. He's freaking... He's a bowler. I think the dude has got it. Yeah, he's a bowler. Should we talk Super Bowl picks? And I think he's smart. So this episode will come out after the Super Bowl airs. So give your winner...

Give your winner. Winner? Yes. Who's in it? The refs. Eagles, Chiefs. Neil takes the refs. So that means the Chiefs. No, I'm going with the Eagles. Are you? I'm going to go Eagles. I got to go Eagles. There's too many Alabama guys. I just can't go against. No, I'm not going to go against Mahomes. Bet against Mahomes. He's a winner. He is. That's why I wanted to get beat. That'd be fun. I'd like to see him get beat. Yeah, I just want to see Taylor Swift. Should we put a bet on it real quick? Sure. Sure.

Since you two are taking the Eagles and we're taking the Chiefs. Is it wrong for me to want to see Taylor Swift cry? She used to cry. That's what I want. She used to cry at every concert. I don't want to. She may still do it. Okay, real quick. I don't think she'll cry. Last question. Last question. Do you still think that that's a legitimate relationship or is it arranged?

Yeah, I don't have any idea, but it's... It's going on a little bit long. It is. It's absolute folly. Why would it be arranged? Who would benefit the most? Who would arrange it? I think they both benefited. He has definitely benefited. He would benefit much more. I don't think she needed more profile. I don't think. It's fair. No, she doesn't need it. It's fair. No, absolutely not. I don't know. At this point, it's...

People are changing the station every time they show her. All right. Let's end this thing, guys. Right? Like the whole thing? This is our last episode. It has been fun, but we can do other things. We can definitely do other things better than this. No, no, seriously. We appreciate you guys. Thanks for sticking with us.

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