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All right. Should we start it up? Let's roll. How about you, Ed? You like the booze? Nah. Come on! I mean, I used to like it, and it does weird things to my heart. Oh. Really? Yeah. Yeah, I think it's bad for you. So I just kind of stopped. It kind of sets my heart in weird places.
Oh, jeez. So you just stick with cocaine. Yeah. I drink cocaine. That's weird. That is tough. Yeah, it's super weird, but it's great. I wonder if that would work if you mixed it in like a liquid IV, you know, if that would get you. No one's ever wanted to waste that much cocaine. I guess you're right. It would dissolve. What I do is I melt it, see, and then I get it in a syringe and I inject it into my eyeball.
Is that freebasing? No, that's where you smoke it. It's freeballing. That's called freeballing. This is the nerdiest drug conversation ever. I know. Is that what freebasing is? I don't know what it is. This is like those conversations a kid has with their dad. Right. Where the dad's like, now listen, I don't want you to do...
The thing that you snort. Yeah. Dad, you don't snort marijuana. Yeah. How do you know? You already know too much. You got to test your weed. There's fentanyl in it. And you're like, Dad. Did people always try to do a shot with you after the hangover? Oh, man. Yeah. I mean, that was hangover fans like to drink. Yeah. Put it that way.
So when that movie came out, it was a lot of like, we're buying you shots. And they'd like shove a shot in your face. And if you didn't drink it, you could get punched. Yeah. Isn't that weird? They get really upset if you don't drink it. You're like, I never asked for this. Most of the time, I was happy to oblige. Yeah. Yeah. Until the heart failure. Yeah. Until things got weird. Yeah. We have a friend, Joe DeRosa, who I feel like likes funerals because you can't turn down the shot. Mm-hmm.
You can't be like, to Dave, you gotta be like, all right, fine. Yeah, he actually goes to funerals he doesn't know. Sure, he's a funeral crasher. Yes. Hey, sequel. Right. That's not bad. But yeah, I feel like old school fans, hangover fans, I feel like they want to do a shot with-
Yeah. Office fans are like, let's have a craft brew. Right. Let's have a nice conversation over a craft brew. That's cool. I'm down for that. Amen. I feel like The Hangover, it was 2008, 2011, and 2013, the three trilogy. I think you're off a little bit. Pull that up there, Fanny. Wasn't it like 2010 or 11, the first one? But I feel like that was the last...
Run for the fun, love, and comedy movie And you got in I think Hot Tub Time Machine was like the last one What year was that? That was it, right?
I feel like it kind of cut off around there, but you guys got them in at the buzzer and they were... We snuck that one in there. Yeah, and they were all great. Hangover is one of the last comedies I remember seeing in the theater. It's 09 was the first one, 11. Did Bridesmaids come after Hangover? Yeah, Bridesmaids. I saw that in the theater, but how many comedies can you remember? Tropic Thunder. That was awesome. Was that before? Yeah. Eh.
I think it was a little later. I think it was before. Oh, really? I think Tropic Thunder was before. But there's something about it. I guess like live shows of it, you know, thank God for us because we tour all the time and people come out to see stand-up. But, I mean, I feel like back in the day, like it was great to see a comedy in a packed theater. Oh, the best. Oh, man. I remember –
We're like sort of midtown west here, right? Yeah. So I remember when I lived here going to see something about Mary. I was such a huge Ben Stiller fan from the Ben Stiller show. And...
And I was, you know, it was early. What year was that? Pull that one up. Ninety four. I'm calling. Oh, no, no, no. Ninety eight. So I just I moved here in ninety six. I'd just been here for two years, just struggling to get those open mic spots and doing as much comedy as I could. And I loved Mr. Show and the Ben Stiller show and and all these all those great shows.
And like, Ben Stiller's in a movie? Oh, my God. And I went by myself. Yeah. And it was in this neighborhood. Because for some reason, I lived in Brooklyn, but this was where maybe it was I snuck out of work or something. And I sat in this packed theater by myself. And it was like one of the best movie going experiences ever. Because I loved that movie. When I first saw it, I was crazy.
crying in the theater sitting by myself between like you know it was packed because that's when theaters were packed when a movie came out and people were excited like they packed theaters oh yeah and it was real that was back when water cooler talk everybody was talking about the jizz and the hair and the pranks and beans and the like the Brett Favre of it all that was a hell of a time Matt Dillon oh
- Such a killer in that movie. - Oh yeah. - And it's all killers, like Lee Evans kills it, like Chris Elliott, like everyone's amazing. - Yes. - But yeah, but Matt Dillon. - He stole it with a forehead like a drive-in movie trailer. - It's also amazing 'cause I saw, we were on the road once, we downloaded I guess like the extended version of it, and the scenes they chose to cut were exactly right. Like they just-- - Oh interesting. - They just kind of disrupted the momentum. It was one of those things where they just, they nailed it. - Yeah.
That's good. That's reassuring when that happens. Yeah. Well, you know, some comedies, they don't nail it. I love it. I love a tight comedy. I love a 90-minute comedy. You got to keep it tight. I remember when we were shooting those hangovers and we'd be shooting scenes like that might
You shoot out a sequence, but we'd be doing the scenes that are towards the end of the movie. And Todd Phillips, the director, was always just like, faster, guys, faster. We're just trying to get the lines out. He's like, it's the end of the movie. It's the race to the finish, which was, as he kept saying, it's the race to the finish, which I think he said was something that Ivan Reitman told him. It's like a critical sort of comedy thing when you're making a comedy film.
That third act, it's just like guns blazing. You got to go. You can't go Irishman on a comedy. You know, you got to keep it tight. They're just holding a prison dime. Isn't that funny? Although that scene where he beat up the guy was pretty good. That was pretty funny. But yeah. He did not look young. Seinfeld too. You know, they were like, here's a Brinks truck full of money. Make eight more seasons. And he's like, now we're cutting it here. The show's over. It's all about timing. You got to know when to wrap it up. Yeah, it's...
Hangover, did you know when you're making that you're like, this is really good? I think we knew that we were having an unprecedented amount of fun. And so we all felt like we were onto something. There was never, at that point, none of us were very well known. So there was no sense that like, oh, this is going to be a hit.
But we definitely knew we were making something that we were going to love and be proud of. And we would hope people would see it. And honestly, I think that energy is what it's like. Like anything. I think that carries projects is like when you can feel that the team involved, whether it's the cast and sometimes the crew and everybody involved.
is when you can feel that they're psyched. Yeah. It doesn't matter if it's a comedy or a drama or an action movie. When you can feel...
I would say the same thing about The Office. Everybody on The Office loved The Office and loved making it and loved being in that conference room together and cracking each other up. And that, I think, is this intangible magic that makes the product good. Yeah, totally. It's like that love that a cast brings to something.
is what sort of opens the door for an audience to feel that way. You can feel it in like the Seth Rogen, Franco movie. They're actual friends. You can feel it. Not anymore. But they're actual friends and you can feel it in the movie for sure. This is the end.
Yes, Pineapple Express. Yeah, I love those movies. They're so good. That was like a crazy stretch. Like, we really took for granted. I was sick a couple weeks ago when I Love You Man just came on, and I was like, oh shit, this is funny. Yes. I forgot these are just all funny. Oh my God, Sandberg in that movie is just... He's great.
We used to have comedies. It was like a thing. But that was like a crazy amount of hit comedies at once. Yeah. Like, Forgetting Sarah Marshall was on, too. I was like, this is hilarious. Isn't that weird? Because my agent's always like, comedies don't play well in theaters now. And you're like, but that's what's supposed to be a theater. Comedy and horror are great for theater. Or for movie theaters. Yeah. Horror still hits, I feel. Horror hits. But, you know, they say comedy in a movie theater is no go anymore. Which is insane. Because you would think, like...
Like, comedy clubs are a thing because people like to laugh together. Yes. I think that's what... I think that might be hurting it, is how many live acts are on the road right now. I think people are like, oh, just go see this live show. Wait, was it... I think there's so many live shows in any city at a given time that they're like, instead of going... And there aren't that many comedies being made, so I think those two combined...
How many comedies are in the theater, first off? And then secondly, like, oh, there's eight comedians doing the show. There's all these comedy clubs. There's theater at comics, you know? And at a comedy club, you're going to get the Elon Musk jokes. You're going to get the Trump jokes. You're going to get that. I think people are craving that because the news is so bonkers. Yeah, and you're not going to get that with a comedy movie. Yeah. It's just a movie about a lady who's autistic and gay or whatever. All right. Yeah.
We hope it comes back. We're trying to make a movie right now. We want comedies. I love seeing a comedy movie in a theater. Oh, yeah. Especially a black theater. Yes. Nothing better. I saw American Pie in a black theater, and that was, that added an element. Popcorn flying, riffing, you know, their own jokes. It was great. I saw 12 Years a Slave in a white theater. Not a good experience. Oh, boy. It wasn't good. No.
But when you were on The Office, we were talking about that. Matt and I were talking about that before you came here about how you showed up. It was season three, right? Correct, yeah. That's a hard thing to be the guy who shows up.
And becomes a fan favorite. Yeah. I think about like Married with Children and when Jefferson showed up and people wanted to hate that guy. You know what I mean? I know it's a different show, but like I think that guy was great on Married with Children. Ted McGinley? Yeah, he's hilarious. Yeah, he was in a bunch of comedy. But yeah, I mean, you're kind of like the enemy of Dwight. You show up and you become like, you just embrace it, man. It's great. Tough shoes. Yeah, you know, it was...
There was something about that moment where...
the show had decided to kind of bounce Jim over to this Stanford branch. And so that obviously needed a cast. It wasn't... We weren't introduced as an intrusion into Dunder Mifflin. We were sort of introduced as this kind of satellite thing. And I think that made it easier for fans to sort of digest. And then I would also just...
share that that the cast and the writers and the whole sort of office community when when we showed up and when I say we I mean Chip Estley who played our boss there in the in the Stanford branch and Rashida you know when we showed up as these new characters and
We were so embraced by the cast and everyone, you know, I think there are situations where like cast members can feel threatened by new people or they're sort of bad mojo or bad energy. Like, hold on. We're just a czar show. But there was none of that. And the writers were so excited and to welcome us. And again, like that's the energy that we're feeling and the cast is bringing and it's
Audiences feel that too. I think all of that sort of comes through the screen, and it made it so much easier. I felt like we just landed in this nice, warm basket. Yeah. It was amazing. I mean, the show is just never not on. My wife watches it to fall asleep. No offense. That sounds bad. But it's just such a— It's a comfortable watch. It is. Yeah. Yeah.
Now, wait, I didn't know you did stand-up. I'm an idiot. Oh, yeah. Really? Yeah. In New York? Oh, yeah. Oh, wow. Was that the entrance to comedy? That was the on-ramp. Wow. Yeah, because I, you know, like everybody else, I wanted to be on Saturday Night Live or, you know, something like that. And so I moved here right after college. I went to college in Ohio, and I moved here. And...
almost right away just started. I mean, at that time, I don't even think the internet was much of a thing. This was like 97. So there was internet, but it was like,
I found all the, holy shit. - What year are we talking here? - So that was my big appearance on-- - You look like Dwight here, this is crazy. - Right. - Wow. - Look at those baggy jeans. - You made it to TV, so you got there. - Yeah.
When was Daily Show? When did that start? That started 2002. That's crazy. For me, yeah. Man. That cast that you were on is like, that's like the 70s SNL cast, but for the Daily Show. Oh, wow. That's a crazy cast, dude. Who are we talking? John Oliver? Or was that pre-John Oliver? Oh, no. He wasn't there yet. Very pre-John. When I started- Louis Black? Yeah. Well, actually, when I first started, Steve Carell was still on it. Oh, wow. Yeah. So-
There it is. So we overlapped. There's a cast photo from that time. Might be that big one there. Yeah, that's the one. Did that have anything to do with you getting on The Office or just a coincidence? It all helps. Yeah, I think it's all. But that's the one that I was like right when I started. So you had Louis Black, Mo Rocca, Colbert, Carell, Nancy Walls. Oh, yeah. I had a thing for her. Rob Corddry, obviously, and DiCario.
Right? And Attell was on like right before that, right? Yeah, there were. Wow. Yeah. I think Vance DeGeneres was also I overlapped with for a minute. A. Whitney Brown. Oh, yeah. Who had been on Saturday Night Live and was on The Daily Show. Got so white. Yeah.
Isn't that wild? It's a different time. It is very wild. Very, very much so. It's like a diner in the 50s. But I think that's around 2000. That must be 2002. Yeah. That was right when I started. I couldn't be...
more thrilled to be in that photo. I remember that photo shoot. I just was like, I can't believe I'm sitting here with these people. I remember Colbert and Corral did Steven versus Steven. That was like a crazy era of just really funny. Yeah. Much talent there. But then after that, it pared down to this. Then there was a good two years where it was just
Sam B., Rob Corddry, Stephen Colbert, and me as the four correspondents. Was that scary? Because they kept whittling down. It was like a reality show. You get eliminated. It was thrilling. I mean, we were so busy. That was also a time when we just did field pieces relentlessly. And that's honestly what kind of crushed New York for me. I was in and out of the city so much on...
basic cable budget travel. So it was like La Quinta Inns on Southwest Airlines to Homer, Alaska or all over the country in and out of New York City airports, which if you do constantly because the New York City airports are
are hard to get to. - Yeah, we know. We're on the road every week. - It's just, it's crushing. - It's crushing. - Over time. - Yeah, making those flights, security, the terminal, what seat am I in? It's brutal. - Oh, and you get sick all the time. Yeah, I think about the early years of the road and how grueling they were that now when you have any comfort in travel, I'm like, this is incredible. You really don't take anything for granted.
But it was heady days. Yeah, but you did it. You did the stand-up. You got the premium blend. Then you got the Daily Show. This is like a textbook career here. Yeah, and there was a lot of improv mixed in there. After about three years of grinding and stand-up, the Upright Citizens Brigade was emerging. I remember. And I was like, I want to join that crowd. They're doing really cool stuff. Yeah.
I did that, and it was kind of a mix there. Wow, man. What a career. What a run. That is wild. Yeah. Do you remember any old bits? Old stand-up bits? Yeah, give me like your big A, foolproof, bulletproof, never-failed zinger.
Uh, let's see. Uh, no N word, please keep it clean. So, so this, this is the one that I, that was pretty reliable. Um, there was an ad for, um, I think like, you know, American airlines at the time that, and the slogan was the way you'd run an airline. And I was like, the way I'd run an airline, I don't know how to fly a plane. I don't know. You'd get on an airplane. It'd be like, ladies and gentlemen, uh,
I've got to be honest with you, I have no idea how to fly this plane. Is it cool if we just drive to Phoenix? Just so you know, you'll all be getting lap dances in about five minutes. Yeah, just on and on. That's great. That's cool. Wow. Do you feel like your voice as a stand-up is similar to the characters you play in movies and stuff? Maybe a little bit. Maybe a little bit like...
Andy Bernard, you know, one of my big influences was Brian Regan. Oh, sure. So the way that Brian would... The way I loved Brian's... And Gaffigan does this a lot, too. Like, they kind of play idiot versions of themselves. So they'll set up a story, and then they'll kind of play themselves as the adult in the story. And their voice changes a little bit. And so...
I kind of took after that. Like that was that was I just loved that type of joke writing and storytelling. And and so, yeah, that the voice that I would take on as the sort of idiot version of myself may have kind of crept into Andy Bernard a bit. But otherwise, no, I don't think so. Like Stu, you still have like stand up thoughts.
Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. We do a thing like called working on any bits. Yeah. I got a whole list. Oh, man. Phone. Yeah. Yeah. Really? I keep it going. Can we talk about something? Sure. Yeah, I I do. I still do stand up occasionally like at mostly at Largo in L.A. Sure. But yeah, you want to see. Oh, boy. I'll give you a dry run on a couple of things. Oh, by the way, check out the book. Snafu.
Oh, yeah. Can we talk about the book? Of course. Guys, I'm on my book tour, for God's sake. We got the book here. I'm telling you my dumb jokes that I put no thought into. I've just put it a little. Meanwhile, I spent years pouring my heart into this book. We can do both. We can do both. You want to do book first? You want to do stand-up first? Let's talk book.
Let's tease the stand-up and talk book. It's an awesome idea for a book. It's really cool, man. It spun out of my podcast. I started a podcast a couple years ago called Snafu. And it's really, really – I'm insanely proud of it. There are three seasons out now. Each season is like a deep dive into it.
uh, it's like a heavily produced, like immersive audio production into one major historical snafu, a snafu being a disaster. Is it a, uh, it's an acronym. Acronym. Sorry. Uh, something fucked up. Yeah. Situation. Normal. All fucked up. Yeah. Oh, it's like, it's like foobar. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Foo bar fucked up beyond all recognition. Exactly. Yeah. And, uh,
And so the podcast was just this sort of marriage of my kind of nerdy love of history with, well, like, what's funny about history? Well, obviously the screw-ups are funny. Yeah.
And so we built this great team. I've got a bunch of researchers that help out with the podcast and help put it together, audio producers. And then also we just had a flood of ideas. And I was like, I'm putting this in a book. And the book is different from the podcast in that
Yeah.
snafu. So it's perfect for to just like pick up at the beach and open up anywhere and just read a chapter. Can you tease a snafu for us? Oh, hell yeah. What's a great, great snafu? There's so many great ones. Uh, so it's divided into decades, fifties, uh, to the present. And, uh,
And let's see. Got to be a lot of military snafu. Yeah, it's a lot of CIA, FBI. One of my all-time favorites. Pearl Harbor, that was a snafu. Big snafu. No, but actually you bring up a good point. So you're not going to find a lot of things in the book
that you've heard of. So that was part of my like curatorial decision was to kind of like not do a world war two, but, or like the Titanic, it's more kind of obscure stuff. So, so funny. I think of the Titanic as a snafu. Yeah. Whoops. Whoopsie. Wow. Um,
So let's see the the in the 1950s, the Cold War is heating up. The Soviets and America are both trying to flex nuclear power. Right. So somebody in the CIA gets this brilliant idea. Maybe we can shoot a nuclear missile at the moon and detonate a nuclear explosion on the moon and
The Soviets will see it and they'll be shaking in their boots.
because they'll be so rattled that we have the firepower to hit the moon with a nuclear weapon. That's a movie premise. Strange love shit. It is. It's literally strange love. And there's a lot of stuff. I'll tell you more. It's very strange love level stuff. A lot of this stuff feels like it was written by comedy writers, but it is sadly real. And Carl Sagan, when he was right out of grad school, worked on this particular project. They eventually realized, you know what?
It's probably not a good idea because if anything goes wrong, if we miscalculate it at all, it's very probable that the missile could slingshot around the moon and come back and hit the Earth. They also realized that it really probably wouldn't even be visible from the Earth. You know, the thinking being it'd just be like a little dust cloud or something. Right.
But just the idea of nuking the moon and getting as far as they did is absolutely insane. There's another great story about...
Let's see. Oh, the CIA tried to basically weaponize cats. So everyone knows cats can hear really well because their ears are kind of that cup shape and they can turn. They're directional.
So someone hatched the brilliant idea to surgically implant microphones into cats' ears and then train the cats to go and sit next to bad guys in the park so you could listen in and do your espionage. Just scratching sex offenders in the park. Every villain has the cat on the lap. You get all the info. I guess so. But what they failed to take into account is that...
It's real hard to train a cat to do pretty much anything. So there's no cat in the police or the fire department. Yeah, there are canine units. Exactly. Drug sniffing dogs. Yep. I get nervous when I see them at the airport even though I don't have drugs on me. Same. I get uncomfortable. Yeah. You got to do that walk and they let the dog sniff you. You're like, how do you know where I've been? I could have been at a party last night. Yeah.
But yeah, that's great. It feels very male. I feel like if there was one woman in the room, she'd be like, wait, wait, shooting a rocket at the moon? Come on, fellas. I think you're 100% right. I totally agree with you. And it does, like, there's another, I get into all the ways that the CIA tried to assassinate Fidel Castro or explored, like, different possibilities. A lot of snafus, yeah. There were. There are, right? Yeah, that was one of them. But there were over 638.
630? What's the weirdest one? Cats. They tried to train a cat to bite his face off. It was a sloped roof. The weirdest one, okay, so they tried to hatch a plan where someone would put thallium salts into his shoes. Now, this is a particular kind of...
toxin to humans that makes your hair fall out. And the thinking was that if they can get Fidel Castro's beard to fall out of his face,
then he will lose his manhood and lose his leadership over Cuba. Right. Which is so Looney Tunes. It's like, how many steps? But this was explored and even it got to the stage of almost attempting. And when you look at the list of ideas and you start to think about how absurd they are and how crazy they are, it really does feel like
a comedy writer's room. Like sitting around just pitching the dumbest shit. That's where they need a doge to go in and look up all the fucked up wacky ideas. We're going to get his beard out. That'll kill his ego. Yeah.
I remember hearing something a long time ago about Che Guevara. The doctor said, you got to only do two cigars a day because it's killing you. And he just started smoking cigars like this long. What a cool move. Damn, that's great. I had a baby recently. That was a snafu. But.
This is great. I can't wait. This is interesting stuff. This could be a movie or like a TV show. A lot of them could be movies. Yeah. Or series, like miniseries. Yeah. I mean, you do a podcast. Or it could be like a history of the world type movie. Yes. Like Mel Brooks style. Yeah. Just do all of them in one movie. Totally. All right. Well, get the book, folks. Check it out. And check out the pod. Snafu.
What's the best place for people to buy it? Basically, today is, well, I don't know when this will air, but today is publication day. It's anywhere you get your books. A really easy place to go is just snafu-book.com. I also did the audio book. I read every single word. Wow. Was that exhausting? It kind of took a long time. Yeah, you got to do it in chunks so you don't hate yourself. Yeah. All right. Did you ever think you'd write a book? No. No.
I didn't, I started, I guess a few years ago, I started to think, I got some funny ideas. I got some fun stuff to say. And it started to become this possibility. And also like my agent was kind of like, Hey, you can write a book. You ever think about writing a book? I'm like, all right. Cause you know, people write books and it's, it can be a fun outlet and just another creative outlet. So yeah.
I didn't have an organizing principle for it. It wasn't a spark until I started working on Snafu, the podcast. And I was like, pretty early on, I was like, there's a book in here. Something's going to come out of this in book form. And here it is. I think Hitler's agent did that. You're doing so great. Write a book. I already did. No one...
I've been doing watercolors. Nobody likes those. All right. Come on. Give me one bit, Helms. One bit. Give me something. All right. And you seem pretty like a clean comic. Were you clean? I mean, I said bad words. But no, you weren't going. He also said Gaffigan and Regan. That's why you're thinking clean. Maybe you're right. Yeah, yeah. I think I was generally. I did a bunch of like.
I did like some corporate shows and college gigs and stuff. And I was, yeah, I was generally pretty clean. When you did college, they send you out with other comics. Oh yeah. Yeah. Who'd you go out with? I did a really crazy tour once with Christian Finnegan and, and Doug Stanhope. Wow. Yeah. Not the three I would have envisioned. Yeah. Well, it was, we love Doug.
Oh, Doug's what a what a just wild character. That one was crazy. We went to I remember we had to stop at Ohio University, I think, or no, the University of Ohio. And it was parents weekend. And if there's anybody you don't want on stage.
During parents weekend At your college It's Doug Stano That's true Especially In the Midwest In a conservative Yeah Area like Ohio So He gets on stage And
At the time, he was doing a lot of material that was kind of like Christian baiting. Oh, yeah. Just kind of nitpicking things in the Bible and this and that. And some parents stood up and started to leave, or some audience people started to leave. And one dad stood up and started to...
heckle him but it really turned into this like theological debate and and never debate Doug Stanhope on theology or anything because he's he he's just dialed. He's got it all. He's and he's he's relentless and he's quick. Yeah. He's so fast and Andy and he has a microphone. Right. Like you just like people should know you shouldn't argue with comedians because they have microphones. Yes. That's always a trump card.
He has one of my favorite lines. I said it when he did our pod, but when he said, when I do comedy, it's like taking you into war. You're not all going to be here at the end. Ha, ha, ha, ha.
I love that. Yeah. Also has a book, I believe. I think a couple books. Jeez, if Doug can write a book, we've got to get to work. Well, he's in Bisbee, Arizona. He's not doing sex every night. That's true. Oh, there we go. That's a good picture. Oh, God. Hang on. How recent is that? It's not too long ago. A couple weeks ago. Yeah, that's awesome. Still cold out. I would guess this, that the tour that I'm talking about was over 20 years ago. Oh, wow. Yeah, like 2002. Wow. Something like that. Damn. Yeah.
Well, you've lived. Yeah. Oh, I've had a life, boys. And you're 51. You look amazing. Oh, thank you. How do you do it? Yeah, what is that? What are you doing? Well, I inject cocaine into my eyeballs. You know what's funny is you pulled up that premium blend clip, and I'm in better shape now than I was then. Yeah. I just didn't take care of myself for a long time, and people...
It's funny. I like it. I just, I feel better. I'm more active and I eat better. That's like, that's been my big lifestyle change. That's really all it is. You know, people have all these books on losing weight and getting healthy and you're like, just walk around, eat a salad and,
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That for me, drinking was like a pathway to food. Like I was people get the munchies with pot. I would get the munchies with a buzz and I would just love to eat. Like eating became was so joyful when I had a buzz and four in the morning and you're eating the worst shit. Yeah. If you and and so when I stopped drinking, I just kind of without.
or without any conscious effort, I was just eating less and better. - I didn't know you quit, I didn't know you were sober. - Well, just 'cause of the heart stuff. - Oh, right, right, right, right, right. Dan, what are you, an edible guy? You gotta have a vice. - I know, I'm kinda searching for a vice. - Killing hookers? - Gambling?
I don't, what'd you say? Ambien? No, I said gambling, but I didn't know if he was going to throw out killing hookers before. Really? Yeah. He heightened you. I had it. I had it coming out as he said that I was like, Oh, gambling's not that bad. As bad as killing. We could do both in Vegas. That's true. Or Reno. Yeah. Yeah. AC. Yeah. Uh, I,
I've tried both. They don't do it for me. No. That was like the killer hooker and you're like, yeah, not for me. Yeah, it's a waste. It's my thing. Yeah, I've tried getting into gambling, but I just lose every time, so I can't get into it because I never win. I don't enjoy winning anything.
As much as I hate losing in gambling. Yes. I think you're right. I can do sports betting. I'll do like this in my phone and I still enjoy the game even if I lose. What I do is I bet on the Knicks and I'm just like, all right, if they lose, I'll be mad anyway. So who cares if I lose some money? True. But if I'm playing like blackjack and I lose a few hundred, I'm just like fucking angry. Yeah. Same. Well, if I win, I'm just like whatever. I think, you know, we spent so much time in Vegas on those hangover movies and
that I just got kind of bored of because we stayed at Caesar's Palace and I would just be like you're like walking through the casino you're working your ass off and any kind of like any feeling that like maybe some gambling would be fun you're just too exhausted and you're walking by and then you get kind of like
Sick of the noise And the smells and the vibe And you're like I just don't want to hang out in here The other thing I realized though Because I enjoyed playing blackjack But I realized that That you don't
The whole idea of making money gambling is such a myth because you don't stop gambling until you lose. Yes. Right? So something clicked for me where I was just like, why do I never walk away from the table with money? And it just...
I was like, because it's not fun until, or it's like, you don't have that tension until you're losing and you're getting angry. And then you're like, that's when you have to walk away. When you're drunk and it's like four in the morning and you're just like, they're like, oh, we should leave. And you're like, all right, let me just throw it all on this next. Yeah.
What the hell am I doing? I know, just check, cash out. But that's too much work. It's interesting that you spent all that time in Vegas for The Hangover because you have to be kind of beaten down by the end of that movie. And you are probably beaten down just from being in Vegas. Yes, yes. Well, there's a moment where Vegas gets sad. You know, at first you get to Vegas, you're like, whoa, the lights are on. The third day. Yeah.
The noises, the money, and then after a while you're like, oh, this place is bumming me. The respirator, the guy with the limp, the lady and the rascal. There's too many sad things. And we were shooting in parts of Vegas that you don't go. People don't visit. And so we were getting a kind of sense of just –
I don't know. Like, yeah. Not so much an underbelly, but just kind of like not fun. Like this is the parts of Vegas that are sort of like mundane city. And it's like hot and. Yes. Yes. And people. So many pigs. Oh, boy. Can I ask about Todd Phil? Of course.
The guy is like a phenom. Yeah. And I've listened to so many interviews with him where he hates the studio because they won't give him any money. They don't believe in him. Like he had to push for Galifianakis, I heard. And they were like, we don't know this guy. It's not good for the movie. We're trying to sell tickets. And he was like, no, no, he's great. And then, of course, he fucking killed it. I mean, you say Caesar's Palace. That line is like.
I think every time I see it, is this where the real Caesar lives? Is this real Caesar's palace? It's incredible. And it even made Joker, and Joker was awesome. We won't get into the sequel. But, you know, the guy is so great. Do you think he's... Is he appreciated yet? Does he have the respect? Gosh, I think so. I hope so, but... Look at how you're talking about it. I feel like he's one of the greats. I agree. And not just in comedy. He's like... I mean...
I just am so indebted to Todd, and I love the man so deeply. But I also, if I step back from that, I'm like, he's like Sidney Pollack level. Oh, yeah. He's like...
I agree. Old school road trip. But it's that combination of a guy who has delivered movies for the fans and the studios make money. Yes. Which is like a rare thing. Broad comedies that are actually really good. Yeah. And not just broad comedies. I mean, Joker too. For sure. These are huge movies and huge endeavors and just creative –
It's like you just pour your whole life into these things for years, and he delivers. So you think he was obsessed with the Blues Brothers, the Animal Houses of the world, the Caddyshack? Was that his bread and butter as a kid? I would say yes, but he had the kind of... He had a little bit of a different... What am I trying to say? He had...
So, yes, he totally got all those movies and he was very close with Ivan Reitman and Danny Goldberg, who produced a bunch of like Animal House and other movies. He produced The Hangover. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. And and I and so I think, yes, all those movies inform Todd's comedy.
But what really set The Hangover apart at that time was that he didn't shoot The Hangover like a comedy. He had the foresight to...
really make the movie feel and look like a gritty almost like a western or a mobster movie or something like an action thriller and that that was the sort of aesthetic of the movie you have a missing friend like that is kind of dramatic yeah and then so the visual and then of course larry sure uh uh was the dp and and and he's brilliant and they're they're they're a
unbelievable force of nature as collaborators. Larry also shot, he shot all three hangovers. He shot both Jokers and I think won an Oscar for the first one, right? Oh, probably. I think so. But anyway, Larry's a genius. So they just kind of figured out like if we shoot this comedy more like
like how Scorsese would shoot a movie or, you know, like Casino, then it will heighten the comedy stakes so much more. And nobody had really done that until that moment. I think there was a lot that came after it that now when you look back at The Hangover, it might not feel that unique anymore.
Uh, or the look might not feel that unique, but when it came out, it was like, yeah, I think that look really startled people in a, in an exciting way. Yeah. It feels more legit. I mean, it's kind of like, uh, is this Reitman or Landis? Like, um,
What's the movie with Eddie Murphy? Trading Places. Oh, Landis, yeah. That is like a real movie that happens to be hilarious. Yes, you're right. It looks like a movie. No, Landis was 48 hours the other day. Same thing. It's like a great movie. That's not a comedy. It's funny. That sounds like barely a comedy. It has moments, yeah. But Eddie Murphy's hilarious. Yes, there's a couple of big, funny set pieces. But yes, Trading Places is...
is so funny and so legit looking. It's a very grounded look for an extremely silly movie. Yes, exactly. What else is like that? What are other movies that are beautifully shot comedies? Coming to America looks pretty cool too. It looks like a real movie, but I think that's Landis as well. Naked Gun? No. Great movie. Airplane? Yeah. I'm trying to think.
Yeah, I'm thinking like straight comedies, though, because there's others you think like action comedies don't count. That look good, you're saying? Yeah. Well, uh... MacDunder was amazing. Yes, that's a good example. That's a great one. You know what else I think is like that is The Holy Grail. Monty Python's The Holy Grail, which Terry Gilliam directed, and he... They did like 12 Monkeys as well. Yeah. Well, if you watch Holy Grail, like, it's great.
grimy it's like yeah looks medieval like they really committed it's not like camelot you know where everybody's like these everybody's in shiny night like he john cleese i read uh would would get so exasperated because whenever they were setting up shots terry gilliam was just like more mud more mud everybody's got to be more covered in mud yeah and uh and it it it
I don't know. It heightens the comedy. Life of Brian is the same way. It looks like it's gritty, Middle Eastern. Yeah. It looks like- Dusty. Samaria. Ancient. Yeah, look at that. Everyone's filthy. Yeah, they had a lot of mud on the bottom of those robes. Yeah. Now, let's get to those- By the way, that's Terry right there. Where? He's one of the- To the right of-
He's one of the guys with the coconuts. Oh, really? That's Terry Gilliam. Oh, wow. The shorter one. Yeah. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Yeah. Okay. Man, those guys had a run. I just wanted to. Yeah, just pick a good one so we can really shit on you and make you feel horrible about this segment. Just kidding. So these are fragments, right? Okay, okay. So this time that...
That I was just walking through an airport and a fan came up to me and she was like, oh, my God, I'm such a big fan. Do you mind if I hug you? And I said, yes. And meaning like, yes, I mind. Yeah. Like I do have boundaries. Right. But she took it as like, yes, hug me. And she just went for it. Yeah.
You know, there's something there. There's something there. Maybe there's a gender thing. Yeah, I got to set it up a little better. Also reminds me of the Seinfeld Kesha. I know. She couldn't believe it. It was like her brain malfunctioned. Like, wait, what? I can't hug you? I did kind of feel for her in that moment. I did too, but I also loved every second of it. Yeah, I loved that he put the hand up. Yeah, yeah. He's like, hey, I never said you could hug me. She couldn't believe it. That could be a fight with the wife too.
You just start hugging hot pop stars? Here she comes. I don't think hot women here know a lot. No, thanks. No, thanks. Yes! It sucks being rejected. I love that so much. That's the bad. He let his big chin in the back. Oh my god, that is it. He is bloated there. No, thanks. No, thanks. With the hand up. And she even tried like two more times. Hey, hey, no means no, sister.
Oh, Jer. It's his birthday today. Oh, there's an ice cream place in L.A. that's like an ice cream shop, and it says it's homemade ice cream. And I'm like, what does that mean? It's a store. This is no one's home. Unless you're sleeping in the back and you're like...
Like, do the people who work here, like, live here in the store? Is there a nana working around the clock? Yeah, come on. How is this home? Or do they make it in their apartments? It's like when a restaurant says hand-cut fries, and you're like, I don't care where you cut them. Ha, ha, ha.
They cut? Good. I don't care. Somebody cut their hand? Or there's a bodega. It's like, world famous bodega. You're like, this will be gone in a year. There's a cat in here. What are you talking about? Then you get famous rays, famous original rays, original rays. Yes, exactly. It's a mess. There's something to when I'm helping my kid with her homework and I know the answer and it takes all of the restraint I have not to just be like, okay,
Four times four is 16. It's just 16. Just write 16. There's something in me that has to prove I know. Like a child's homework. Yes, yes. You'd be a bad teacher. Oh, I'd be terrible. Teachers, they have to guide. Most people just want to be like, no, what are you, fucking dumb? Yeah.
Or like when my kid is reading and, you know, she's like still in learning phase of reading and you just she's like struggling with a word and you're just like, it's pickle. The word is pickle. It's just pickle.
And that's not good parenting. It must be like when you're struggling at your therapist and their therapist knows the answer. He's like, you just want to fuck your mom. Right, right. Exactly. I have that. You ever throw on Jeopardy and it's the kids' Jeopardy? I'm like, oh, I got this. I'm just like, oh, Cleveland. Isosceles. Finger licks. Celebrity Jeopardy is an easy one, too. Oh, they're dumber than the kids. Yeah.
That's a good one. Kids versus the celebs. That might be a show. I like that. Paris Hilton versus a four-year-old. She gets crushed. These are solid. Their stuff, their stuff. Their premises. I like that you're still writing them down. This is good. This is a fragment. It's pickled. I think it turns into... I think this would turn into one of those Brian Regan-type performances. But I...
I've been accused of falling asleep with my eyes open and snoring with my eyes open, which is just an incredibly disturbing visual. Podcasts are an audio medium, but just the idea of seeing someone in an airplane seat was just like...
That's terrifying. Do they not know that they're doing it? Because you look awake. Right. Like, why are you making that sound? Yeah. It's so disturbing. You've got to put on sunglasses at all times. Oh, yeah. Or a sleep mask. Do you do that? Really? It's happened. That's wild. Yeah. It's a weird. Yeah. That is creepy. I think I fall asleep with my eyes closed, but then they open a little bit. Just a little. It's like a sliver. Yeah.
But you'll never get robbed if you pass out on a park bench. You're like, God, I got up. Yeah, but if I'm snoring, it's very confusing. That's what Cosby would look for. Their eyes open. He's like, I'm innocent. Right.
Okay, these are solid, man. All right, thanks. I got a show tonight if you want to pop on. All right, yeah. I'll open for you. No, he's serious. He's got a comedy cellar. It's just 10 minutes. That's awesome. I can't do it. Are you doing a ton of press today? Yes. Yeah, I've been bouncing around. I did... What did I do?
First, I did The View, and then I did... A lot of Cosby jokes there. I have a lot of fun. What else? Oh, what did I do, Matt? I am totally blown away. Oh, hey, Matt. We forgot you were here. Oh, yeah. It's three Matts over there. Yeah, it's a little bit of a whirlwind. Yeah. We won't keep you too long. This is good. This is like, I got a nice, comfy...
Bench. I've got coconut water. This bench is not comfy. Delightful company. I have a rotary phone. Yes. It's very comforting. Peps it if you need it. Very nostalgic. Get the book, folks. Get the book. Get the book. Snafu, baby. Yeah. I'm really proud of it. I truly am like kind of still can't believe that I wrote a book. Yeah. And it's funny. It's funny.
It's actually good. What's the secret? Do you sit there and go, I'm doing five pages tonight? Well, the nice thing about this book is that it's not a novel. It's like each chapter is a sort of capsule episode. Yeah. And that I find very manageable, like just doing these tiny chunks. Yeah, I don't know if I have a novel in me. That feels...
It's always weird when you find out like politicians or someone have like a set like Stacey Abrams side hustle. It's just like she just writes like a ton of books or like Jake doesn't Jake Tapper, right? Yeah. Yeah. It's so weird. It's crazy to me that you're just you get off your new show and then you're like, I'm going to write it. I'm going to write a mystery. Yeah.
It's insane to me. I assume they hate their spouse because that's so time consuming to do TV. Like Bill O'Reilly has like 38 books or something. Who are you? J.K. Rowling? Who's the famous legal thriller writer? Grisham. Grisham. So he started out, he was a lawyer and he started out waking up at like three in the morning just to, because he had these ideas and just to get these books out of himself. And then all of a sudden-
You know, his publisher's like, you can quit your day job. Wow. And he became one of the great thriller writers. Crazy. Yeah, I think it's either book writing or golf. Those are the two time-consuming adult activities. Or gardening.
Gardening's big. Gardening's a big one. When's your book coming out, guys? We got nothing. Oh, I don't believe it. Maybe when I break my leg or something in a ski accident, I'll write a book. I'll turn in a Jimmy Stewart in Rear Window. I'll break my leg and I'll spy on the neighbors. That's what I'm going to do. It's a murder. The original true crime.
Oh, are we wrapping? Yeah. Buy Ed Helms' book. Listen to his podcast. I'm going to listen to Snap Food, too. I want to hear this. Yeah, I'm excited to hear this, man. I need a new pod. Yeah. Awesome, man. So, Sam, you have some dates here? Yeah, what do we got? Rochester coming up. Portchester.
Albany. Wait, is this me? Yeah. No, this is Mark. Oh, yep. It's Mark. Yeah. I'm like, I don't think I'm going to Rochester or Portchester this. All right, Mark, start here. June 6th. I'm going to Rochester, Portchester, Albany, Vermont, Wisconsin, Oregon, San Jose, Hyannis, Mass at the Melody Tent, Mass, Shantucket. That's at, uh, the Foxwoods Casino. Uh,
Parks Casino in Bedsalem, and then I'm off to Australia for a whole run of shows, and then New Zealand. What do you got, Sammy? When is this coming out? 18th. Let me see. What do we got? There we go. Start. Okay, so we got Red Bank, New Jersey, Count Basie Theater, the Wilbur in Boston in August, then we got Irvine Improv in Cali, Oklahoma City. Love going to that club. It's really good. Vegas, I'm doing the Venetian. Then we got-
We're busy. I am going to Rochester, but I'm not doing a thing. I'm doing a bunch of club dates at the club there. And then we got, yeah. Oh, Chicago Theater is a fun one. October 4th. Salt Lake City and the big one, Carnegie Hall, baby, December 4th. So see you there. Buy Bodega Cat Whiskey. Yes. Bodegacatwhiskey.com. If you've got a bar, hit us up. Buy Ed Helms books, Snafu, wherever you get books. Any movies in the hopper? Hmm.
Yeah, I'm going to be shooting something this summer in Vancouver. Nice. Wait, who's going to Foxwoods?
I think I did Foxwoods. Oh, yeah? Yeah, it was once I got on The Daily Show, of course, like, and I got, I was on TV. I had a TV gig, so, like, my stand-up booking options just exploded. Oh, yeah. And I had a booker, and she was like, yeah, you can do this big casino. It was one of the ones in Connecticut, right? Yeah. I think it was Foxwoods. Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun, the other one. It might have been Mohegan Sun. Okay. And...
And I was like, amazing, this is so great. And then I was so busy on the show that I didn't get, I couldn't stay, I couldn't keep doing stand-up to practice for this, like, my first, like, giant headlining gig at a casino. And I'll never forget, I had a really rough set. And, because I also had, like, almost never done, like, an hour before. Oh, jeez. Or, like, 50 minutes, whatever the required amount.
had a rough set the first night and I had like three nights to go and the next morning there was like a little like Mohegan Sun newspaper that they put under everybody's door and they had written there was a review of my show in the Mohegan and it was like a rough night for a comedian that knows
Oh, man. I was like, guys, I got three more shows. Oh, no. In your hotel. Oh, boy. Damn. Anyway, fun stuff. That'll sell the tickets. Yeah. Well, awesome. Casinos are notoriously rough. They can be tough. Yeah, because there's no sound. It's just like a vacuum of- Yeah, and they just want people to gamble more. So you're just kind of like a hold off until they-
They watch your show, they hate themselves, and then they gamble. And they hate themselves some more. That's true. Well, thanks for listening, guys. We'll see you next week. Thank you. Can I hug you? Get over here. Next, Fender juice close. And Norman's talking shit about Ken Post in the same way. Up on the roof like a cunt. I'm dangerous. I'm out to lunch here in Newlands. This woman doesn't eat true.