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Body of Evidence

2023/9/12
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旁白:本案讲述了Shawn Goff杀害妻子Joy Risk的案件,从沙漠中发现的石堆到最终的审判,揭示了一起令人震惊的谋杀案。案件中涉及一夫多妻制、宗教信仰、家庭暴力等复杂因素。 Joy的朋友:Joy在失踪前曾表达过对Shawn Goff控制欲过强的不满,并计划离开他。Joy的失踪与她的性格和行为习惯不符,引发了朋友们的担忧。 Sheryl:作为Shawn Goff的另一个妻子,Sheryl讲述了她被迫接受一夫多妻制以及与Shawn Goff关系的复杂性。 Rubin Condy和Rubin Condy的儿子:他们在沙漠中发现了Joy的遗骸,为案件的侦破提供了关键线索。 Laura Fulgoni:法医人类学家对Joy的遗骸进行了分析,发现了Joy遭受严重暴力致死的证据,并指出凶手试图毁尸灭迹。 Bob Powers:法医艺术家根据Joy的遗骸绘制的肖像,最终帮助警方确认了她的身份。 检察官:检察官认为Shawn Goff蓄谋杀害Joy,并提供了大量的证据,包括Shawn Goff购买的作案工具、Joy的遗骸以及Shawn Goff的证词等。 Shawn Goff的辩护律师:辩护律师为Shawn Goff进行了辩护,认为这是一起自卫杀人案,Shawn Goff是在被Joy袭击后才失手杀害了她。 Shawn Goff:Shawn Goff在庭审中承认杀害了Joy,但他声称是由于Joy的虐待和袭击,他是在自卫。他描述了事发当晚的经过,并解释了他处理Joy遗体的动机。 陪审员:陪审员们在听取了大量的证据和证词后,最终裁定Shawn Goff犯有谋杀罪。 旁白:本案最终以Shawn Goff被判处25年到无期徒刑而告终,但案件中涉及的复杂因素和Shawn Goff的冷漠态度仍然令人震惊。

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Joy Risker and Shawn Goff, a former evangelical minister, met when he was her youth pastor. Goff, interested in Christian polygamy, married Joy, making her his second wife. Their relationship eventually deteriorated, with Joy expressing desires for independence and a career in makeup artistry, leading to conflict with Goff.
  • Joy was Goff's second wife in a polygamous relationship.
  • Joy's desire for independence and a career caused conflict.
  • Joy abruptly disappeared, leaving her friends and family worried.

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IT was a camper who stumbled on the place deep in the aozora desert on the party earth a few miles north of the mexican border, a pile of rocks under a poverty tree, a of some monument. What was IT? Did IT signify something, or some person, so far from the prying eyes, a burb, an american under those stones was a terrible puzzle, a mystery, perhaps without solution.

Who was believed? What was in there? Perhaps the place to start is far from that secret in the desert where the ocean meet. Sandy ago is a hamlet called kenzie ton, a slice of small town life in the shadow of the big city, modest spanish yle homes, trim front lawn, palm line streets, middle amErica by the sea.

The place by joy risk live with her husband and two little boys SHE the goff lived there too, also with her husband, a little boy. They were as a different chok and quiet, generous, sheller, outgoing. After a western joy IT was a fine arrangement.

They share the childcare, the household, the cooking, and they also shared the husband sangoa handsome, engaging, persuasive and deeply religious. Shawn is a former event Angelical minister, and that's how I met joy risk er than just sixteen. He was her youth pastor, married yes to shila.

But by then he had become interested in Christian polygamy, which claimed to be based on the patriarch of the old testament. And in the summer of one thousand nine ninety seven, three years after the meet, he married joy. Not legally, of course, but IT was bigler ally sound. How did he explain IT to you?

Just like that. Yeah but you know, he had met someone in SHE was all in love with him, and he told me that he was her youth pastor and that her mom gave blessing and everyone loved them. He was the greatest guy that just happened to be married to someone else.

Joy and shiller, happy and obedient, go. wives. Joy was wife number two. There was already wife number one. Chiller, what was your .

jealousy there? SHE, I didn't seem jealous. I'm sure underneath there has to be some .

part of her that .

you didn't appreciate what was going on. But he seemed to, joy never would have been jealous, because joy was chan's favorite.

has stayed home, rarely going out with her husband. Well, joy, with her outgoing ably personality, became shah's public wife. They took romantic trips. They went out dining and dancing often, always happy.

Who is happy? We appear to be, you know, unless he is having a problem, she's talking about IT, you know.

But people grow, things change. Joy began to resist the structures r. Jang golf established in the house in kenzo. Ton, what did he say about her unhappiness?

SHE just said that shan was really controlling, and SHE was an in love like he used to be.

SHE told friends he wanted to travel, maybe go to europe, and he wanted to go back to school and make a career for herself. Did you tell you how some felt about that?

About you are going to school? He seem to be okay with that. He was OK with community college because there was local, but he didn't wanted to move out to L.

A. To go to makeup school. That was her dream. SHE wanted to be a makeup test.

so he was ambitious to do something. And then in late september two thousand, three joy, quite suddenly stopped all your friends. And when they try to contact her, Shawn, crying on the phone, had shocking news. Joy had left him, left him and the children and had run off to .

europe with an old boyfriend and know everything was so we still yeah trying to take IT.

All the SHE wouldn't leave her sons, would SHE and wouldn't SHE call her friends. IT wasn't like her. And far away in the desert, that strange monument guarded its mystery.

Shagoth, the Sandy ago youth minister, and politics was an emotional reach. His junior wife had run off to europe with a boyfriend, had abandoned him and their two sons and the other wife, her friends were confused. They knew he had some problems, was shown, was even thinking about leaving him but this way he didn't soundly joy at all, especially as he hadn't .

said a word to them. No, that's the whole reason he was sticking around a towards the end because he was really unhappy with then .

out of the blue and email to a friend that seem to explain everything. Joy SHE life, I just needed .

some time away on a mystery .

man and Jason, i've never been able to get Jason out of my head on her secrecy. Y, the reason SHE hadn't learned her friends like joe, I really can't talk to jail right now because you'll be against my decisions. Did you try to contact her?

We did. I call her every day. And after a while we started emailer .

in emails. They baked her to call so they could hear her voice. But joyce reply was uncharacteristic tics angry i'll .

talk to you when i'm .

ready choosing.

you know, stay out of my business and i'm in a doll. I'm grown. I don't have to call and tell you guys anything that is now SHE was if SHE knew we were worried SHE was the email was so angry at as he just went to be mad at us for wine to know where he is to .

ease their growing worry, their friends went to visit Shawn at home. How did he receive you as you friendly?

Um he tried to be he .

told them is spoken to joy and he was fine. But the whole house seemed somehow different, as if joy had never lived there. What did IT seem to? What was the atmosphere like?

Everything was closed up, and I was really, really dark.

IT had changed.

IT changed.

The visit was strange. The girls had been close to joyce children. They have to see the boys. And Shawn refused after that were .

out there because we just something was. Not okay.

weird.

very jail, couldn't shake a feeling of dread. SHE finally brought herself to call the police, missing persons the decode. Then a 3 ago police investigate, ID got the case. SHE began by calling Shawn .

in talking to shine. You know, he's very credible what he said, joy, you know, didn't want to bear anymore. He took off.

I'm very upset. SHE left her kids. I just don't know what to do.

Um SHE took money out the bank account. SHE had always talked about backpacking in europe. If SHE left .

me learned .

to telephone .

many of joy's friends. Everyone said .

he had been at his email. Sean, I know this is hard, but i'm leaving for europe tomorrow again.

He said he was leaving. He received an email that SHE laugh.

but then lend to check joy cell phone records and discovered something very suspicious. Activity on joyce phone, usually almost constant, came to an abbot hall on september eighteen and two thousand. Three at nine thirty six P.

M. And the last call SHE made was to Shawn. He never .

mention that call so important.

Linda confronted Shawn with that, a mission and corner. Now he revealed a little more SHE. I had been out of town with the kids. He joy decided to have a candlelight dinner and rekindle their relationship. But later that evening they argued and said, john, he woke up in the early hours of the morning to see joy with two suitcases getting into a car with a man. Why leave that out?

I mean, that should have been in our first conversation. yeah. SHE left.

SHE packed her two cases and SHE left. We had an argument. Why not mention that landa .

was also discovering that other pieces of information were missing or just didn't fill? For one thing, joy didn't have a passport. How could he traveled to europe without a passport? And the old flame, with whom she's supposed to run off europe, learn to found him in boston.

didn't have plans to meet up with joy by now.

The investigator was convinced something had happened to joy. SHE hadn't simply run off for the man to europe. Linda expect in some kind of foul play.

SHE began preparing her findings. He recommended that homicide detectives get involved. And then a dramatic and utterly unexpected appearance was a joy back home. No IT was shown golf at the center ago police department. And what he was about to say was danny.

Because I.

killed?

He killed her. Surely not here he was confessing, but was a murder or had there been an accident?

The sudden .

confession was over. He wanted a lawyer also probably .

think that rather talk about with the atterley.

what exactly had happened? Did they actually have a crime here? And if joy was dead, what happened to your body? Jon golf h was book for homicide, and the cops began looking for some evidence that could tell them what happened.

So the first thing I was looking for, I was blood somewhere in the house.

Detectives descended on the house and can even have a during the place inside out.

Once you find a little bit of blood, rule of Thomas, you're going to find a little bit more.

They found tiny blood. Spatters enjoys bedroom and in the bathroom, a few drops of joyce blood confirmed by DNA.

But if shown that actually cuter, as he said, where was the body?

Shang gov. SAT in jail, revealing nothing SHE la packed up the children and want to stay with shan's parents out of state. The investigation stalled. Months stick by no one in Sandy ago, remotely aware, but deep in the eras on a desert. Quite another mystery big for a solution, the mystery of the astonishing contents of the stone cairn out under the palavering tree.

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The desert wind blows cold in the winter along the strip of scrapped just north of the mexican border, shang gopa said in jail and santiago and said not a word. As police scattered what leads they can find in their search for the wife he told them he killed. And in the desert, that pile of rocks under the pillow verity tree was attracting attention.

An old desert hand named rubin condy got a bad feeling when he saw the place. I was too big to have an animal, dog, very dear witch. We first thought.

and then I got to smelling, and you could smell a different smell. And animal cond .

was a hunting guide. He smelled death before he called his son a federal ranger with the bureau land management. The next day, january tenth, two thousand four, the ranger gingerly moved, decided a few rocks and that's when he found .

IT found a partial portion of of ahead and torso and um IT was just became a parent when found those parts of IT wasn't an .

animal of any kind man or a woman, Young or old what was the cause of death and who out in the middle, nowhere i'd gathered together hundreds of pounds of rocks and carefully crafted a tomb. American accounting shooes detective brought the badly decomposed remains back to the medical examiners office and phoenix for an autopsy.

And the first thing that we do when we get a skeleton ll remain is lay IT out in an anatomical position so that we can inventory the remains, figure out what's there and what's missing.

After a Laura, a fulgoni fulgent to our colleague is a forensic anode gist, an expert at identifying bones. Some answers came quickly, fogey determined, among other things, the victim was Young and female and african american SHE given birth at least once he was somebody's mother. From here on, the discoveries were increasingly alarming.

The victim, skull and ribs borrow witness to a violent death. You've been stabbed at least twelve times in the chest, the bones of her face recked by blunt force. And as fuji examined the bones more carefully, he began to find things sh'd never seen before.

There were elements missing from key elements like her teeth. Her jaws were um literally the teeth, the level of the bone of her teeth had been exercised.

On a hunch, the detective observing the autopsy asked fuji to check the victim's hands.

And I looked and share enough the tips. The bones of her fingers, not her fingertips, not her fingernails. Remember, she's a skeleton. The actual bones had been sliced off.

something awful, sinister, deliberate had been done to this woman. Doctor fogei was outraged.

D. M. Csi, because that's what that was. Clearly what had happened, somebody had watched too much TV, and they knew exactly what to get rid of, to try afford us.

No fingerprints, no battle records, quite possibly not even D N A. Since getting D N A from such badly decomposed remains was very difficult and quite expensive, they would have to start out low tech. They go back to the drawing board, literally.

Initially, we have thought that a forensic artist reconstruction would not be possible, because we had pieces our face, and they were disfigured and distorted, and we weren't sure what we could do with IT .

still forensic Carter bomb powers than a detective with the amErica about the share of office was keen to try.

This is a last ditch attempt, add an identification, and if IT fails, and the odds are that this person will never be identified.

he informed ing had had success in the past, but this was a long shot. Still.

IT was like a, like an oval gig poser.

They piece the skull bones together, use clane to fill in the missing pieces and recreate teeth.

I'll start sketching, uh, start and very lighted at first. And the first thing I want to do is is, is get the placement of the features, the eyes, the nose on .

the mouth. Finally, the sketch. But months went by, apparently IT looked like nobody. And then by show luck, bob power spotted the picture on a missing person's far and IT reminded him of his sketch .

representable IT could be her.

The possibility was enough to go to the expensive, getting a DNA sample share us contact to the woman's family, obtained her DNA and disappointment IT wasn't her.

But by now.

that sample had made its way to an FBI data abase. And there SHE was we were right.

Putting her face back on her is what gave us her story eight months .

after he emerged from that pile of rocks in the aozora desert, the woman had a name, a name, you know, by now, did the x youth pastor, the loving, polygamous husband and father, also know the horrifying story her bones were about to tell?

In the summer of two thousand six, two years after to joy risk, his bones were identified. Three years after her killing, Shawn golf went on trial, and Sandy .

ago for murder.

IT was deputy D. A. Matthew greco's very furder trial. Well.

there's only two types murder there who done is and what is IT and this was a.

what is IT that is to say, was murder at all or was IT an accident? We're self defense and experienced and widely defense attorney gro knew was standing by to argue those very things. So the prosecutor went all out.

he planned, and he .

killed all .

because he wanted control of a joy's life. This, the prosecutor said, was the worst kind of murder. Angus demand control. And when joy defied him, he carefully assembled his plot to kill her and make IT disappear forever.

I thought he was the scarious defendant that i've ever seen in my career. And what he was capable, love and the way he presented himself was absolutely chilling.

Number proof of that claim. prosecute. G. O, was in the horrifying story told by those bones recovered from beneath the pile of rocks under the pillow verity tree.

So this was a stb bulb directly to the heart.

Yes, the anthropologist testified that joy have been savaged, systematically mutilated.

My opinion was that someone was trying to obliterate her face.

IT was a little me of reality.

Once this mark right across the middle of the highway is not the natural feature of the bones, as if the implement was doing that.

what would be the result if that highway bone was entirely sold through?

In essence, you would end up to capital the person or cutting their head off.

Prosecute grea was about to present some chilling evidence that john had been method ally, planning the murder for many months. Johns college friend, a writer, told about a brain's storming session the year before joyce's death. They were working out the story plot for a book or a movie.

What was the subject matter that you were discussing? IT was how to have the end tagged ist in the movie or book, watch forensic type shows on T. V, and learn how to commit the perfect murder.

And the best way to hide the body.

Was there any discussion of putting the body in a place where would never be found?

Yes, yes, the ideas from television .

shows like the .

bi files and .

fast things like that. And remarkably.

weeks before joy's death, the friend testified john for shadow, his own motive .

for murder.

Essentially, he said that he was not working out with joy, that he was sloppy and lazy, and that he was going to have to get .

rid of her chance colleague testified that he was dissatisfied with joy, yet plans for her joy had very little time, two or three weeks, to shape upper ship out. Joyce friends testified. John had always Better be known that if he enjoy ever, he would keep the kids.

Would you ever discuss, hypothetically, what would happen if joy left him essentially.

that you will allow heard to have the the kids? And another friend testified that john seem to be building an excuse in advance to explain why joy might disappear.

He told me that he thought that he was a kind of person that could just take off and leave all of a sudden and never look back again.

And as for those emails that seemed to come from joy in the weeks after her disappearance, a forensic computer expert testified they were all a digital deception. They're often sent by ship. And then a surprise, the one witness who new shang goff Better than anybody, the one who might be able to explain the man, the woman who was a teenager, had become wife.

Number one, shila. Now a witness for the prosecution. So many questions, such as, why did he agree to as polygamous demands?

I felt to hadn't have a choice that I was. This was what god wanted us to do.

And then IT was either that .

or lose my son .

in the relationship .

I had with him. By now, divorce from shan shila had put certain of his activities that september of two thousand and three into a new context, like a curious shopping spree six days before joy disappeared, he had brought home with him a chisel, a hand saw, a big ex, a sledge hammer, dr. Tape, plastic sheet, a shovel, a cooler, butcher block, a butcher knife, among other things.

Was he the kind of person that was, had other hobby, like, would work pluming landscaping? No, what was his level of being a Candy man?

All those items, argue the prosecutor. We're part of a deliberately assembled murder and dismemberment kit. And the weekend of september sixth was shela and the kids on a trip to SATA Barbara, he put his plan in motion. He took joy to an expensive restaurant for a two hundred twenty nine dollar last supper, kobe beef at eight thirty six. That friday evening, joy called shila to say, good dry to our boys.

Could you describe her town?

I'm happy.

Did SHE on on friday the sixth. Did he sound like he was angry? no. upset? no. distressed? no. And later .

that night, back at home, so the prosecutor SHE stab joy to death, he saw out her teeth and chopped off fingers that might identify who he was. He stuffed her body in a container in the back of a rented S. U.

V. He drove five hours to the eros desert. I'm barret her there. I dw. A power verity tree. John called china on sunday as he was driving back from sana Barbara, he told her, he said that he enjoy had broken up.

Did the defender tell you that joy had to cut herself? yes. Did he actually to do something? yes.

What cleaner. And so he did, cleaned up the blood, enjoyed bedroom and in the bathroom. And when Shawn finally arrived back home and that red S U V IT was monday, and he had helped him clean out the dirt debris and chose to believe his lie, that he'd simply gone for a long drive to deal with his grief at the break up.

because I really believe you would do something like that term family.

A daming story with the villain right out of silence of alams. That was a true, was shown really such a monster. Now, finally, after years of silence, the polygamous feature would tell the story himself. He'd killed her, all right, but now he was about to say he had a very good reason.

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mr. Rena eo, thank you. Albert arena is an engaging man. He is a defense lawyer. Fat's dudes and Sandy ago represented the good and the bad and the ugly as a busty good for decades.

But the case of the polygon wife killer was about to test his skills as never before the prosecution case had been. Thirdly, damming. What could arena say?

Show you that those things did .

happen agreed with the prosecution. Well, not exactly pay particularly .

close attention to that.

Albert arena told the jury the prosecutor headed backwards. IT wasn't a cold butter plane killing IT was joy who launched a brutal attack y claim Shawn killed her in self defense and his destination of her body only a misguided attempt to ensure their children did not lose the father as well as a mother IT would be a reason. Do a hard sell almost too disgusting .

to is a you know what's there? It's like you have an elephant in the living room, but for now we're going to ignore the elephant.

But eventually he and his client had to face that elephant.

I have to humanism, humanism, and let him tell her story.

And so shang gov. Took the stand.

gave my life to jesus when I was six.

He played up fake dom, played.

We were not hiding the fact that we were engaging, implore marriage from anyone.

And mostly he tried to sell the jury on his own story of what happened that dreadful weekend. He really was a handy man, he told the jury, and that so called murder kit the prosecution displayed was actually claim god for a weekend home improvement project. The hack saw there .

was in the front year, the pipe that stuck out of the ground.

You didn't .

want to get pain on the floors and the budge .

your knife wasn't even for him .

who selected the knife.

And now shang golf played his biggest card. He accused joy of child abuse on that last romantic evening. He said. Joy became .

threatened.

Why he claimed he night with a photograph proving that he d beat their Youngest child I said.

no, you're going have to worry about the kids because um I had taken up I had taken a polaroid of some Bruces I told her about that and I said that all there is .

to IT where was that picture? Well the defense never produced any such photograph, but that is what set off claim. Shawn, his child dread, keep the children and kick her out, the gravy train would be over. And that, he said, is when he attacked .

and SHE .

had a knife.

what .

happened? SHE.

SHE SHE elder me, and then .

she's one knife at me.

SHE song knife.

yes.

what would you say?

You say. SHE said, you sound of a bitch. I will kill you.

He punched her twice, he said.

but he kept coming. This point I was friday. I said, well, it's serious. Then .

struggling for his life Clairon he grabbed the hand, holding the knife.

I got IT turned around, told her, and we're still fighting over the knife. And I pushed the knife in tour at some point. I took the knife away, and then I stabs her again.

Where did he staff to remember that point?

IT was up here.

Stay up here.

here.

Okay.

up near my love shoulder somewhere .

that there .

is what happened.

Then at .

that point, you can just went limp.

then claim Shawn, the panic that in shock, he bent down and tried to save her life to give her cpr.

I pulled a knife .

out and a lot of .

blood came out with IT, and I checked her breathing in her post again. SHE didn't have either .

at that time. Then he said, he wonder, should he call the belief .

she's dead and i'm there and she's a woman .

who would believe that SHE attacked him. He feared for himself at his children I about.

and this is. Is stone in on exits, mother? And they we're going to have to live without A. And you know. I felt like, well, they probably going to be live .

without me too. And so IT was a moral dilema, said john, a deeply religious man. Remember what was the right thing to do?

I decided that then I need to cover up.

And inside .

the tiny bathroom, Shawn golf began the grim task of a racing joy risk er's identity .

I know that I had to remove for fingertips.

What are you feeling at that point in time?

I felt .

right.

yeah, I thought fraying. I felt second, but there is more to do.

And I decided in .

order to cover up right than the, I would have to remove her death as well.

He used an old saw from the garage. He said not a brand new haxo he just bought.

I couldn't look at. I range the toes where I won't see anything except what .

I was cutting. He struggled to get his junior wise remains into a large plastic container and into the rented S. U. V. He cleaned the house, disposed to the saw, the knife, the bloody towels, and took a shower.

I SAT down and living room, horrified by what had happened. I was trying to.

trying to wake up.

hoping IT was a dream.

a daybreak. He said he drove aimlessly, ending up two hundred fifty miles away. Then eat that power verity tree in the erosion ona desert and one rock at a time in tome, enjoy riskier and that elaborate care.

Everything I had done that was IT was like the only way I could show some respect for her.

And that was shang gov. Story, self defense, an accident. really. The rest of IT is a misguided effort to protect his children from a life without their father. The prosecutor did not try to hide is discussed.

mr. Goff, you lie to avoid accountability for your actions. true.

That's correct.

As harsh across examination as the prosecutor could .

muster the truth, the joy risk had been dismembered and lying dead in the back of the dango that truth would hurt you correct defense a turn the arena turned to .

the jury and .

took his best shot and you have to be convinced .

beyond the reasonable doubt that he was not possible for joy risk er to have introduced that knife into the bedroom. But I wasn't there. Mister greco wasn't there either. Everything that mister greco has talked to about is his theory of the case.

But prosecutor greco had the last word, the last question. What would joy say?

He would say, i've already told you, i've told you with my blood in the house, and I have told you that this crime is so unspeakable with my hands and my fingers missing. Hear her. Here, here.

the details have been horrific stomach journey, but as jurors left the court room, they still had to decide whom did they believe.

I.

Killed to by his own admission, shagoth was guilty of killing and dismembering enjoy risk er that much the driver knew but was IT a cold calculation or self preservation first degree murder, second degree manslaughter or should he walk IT was a surreal .

experience is still real. IT still feel real, like IT then happened to me like I was a dream or something. I think of .

feeling we be there for a couple of days.

Had defense attache of rena succeeded in planting some doubt?

My impression is changed, and I just understand the concept of a defense attorney.

Now this rena was a good guy. Arena had a very big mountain declining, and on some days he managed to climb pretty far up.

And I think he planted some great seeds. So as far as trying to create that .

reasonable doubt, but was IT enough pipelines, conversation with eight of the jurors sometimes seem like group therapy.

Everything was so unusual. The cruel suffered.

Some of the stuff occurred as some of the stories you heard, some of the evidence you saw. Yes, must have been IT is IT was just horrible. I must sleep over IT was your last thought and your first thought I see your last thing went that I was your first thought .

when you woke .

up and just consume you carefully. Especially when Shawn golf took the stand and claimed he was defending himself, he was insulting his, his life to us. He thought he had IT all wrapped up.

You know, he was so full of himself, I definitely got the impression that was his world and were very arrogant, right? yeah. And then there was the question of sha's tears, or actually the lack of them, said, even as he portrayed all that emotion, finally IT.

So so they just didn't buy IT. And so within two hours, they had a meeting of minds and handed the judge they are verdict with the jury in the above entitle cause, find the defendant shown bar like off guilt, hear the crime of murder. And september two thousand six, Shawn golf was sentenced.

The sense poses twenty five years to life. And a few days later, we went to visit mister golf in the local jail, where you are awaited transfer to the state prison. IT just happened to be the nineteenth of september, a day with a certain significance.

Three years ago today is when joy dying. Do you have .

to put that one, hard to say, three years ago today, the day I kill joy.

Well, when that has been necessary to say so I have.

it's an unsettling business talking to a person like shan gov. right? Glib, a man capable of chopping up his own spouses body and still finding ways .

to excuse himself. Yes, I was smitten. Yes, he blew your way.

So this was a lot match. Yes, but IT will see he suffered, said john, his pain, his grief, his ordeal, for which he blamed joy. Joy, who could not be allowed to oppose his will, you can Better have away .

if he really cares. No, in the situation, I would, I would have destroyed the rest, the family, giving her what he wanted.

So killer? No, how many times to do stables?

I'm not aware that .

a dozen times. Her sternum slice off is part of the attack. So when we look at that evidence, any saying a rational person would say this wasn't just self defence.

He lost IT. I mean, he lost IT, like he probably is never lost to before ever will again. And he was like the super .

bowl of losing IT. I'm not averse to confessing something bad that i've done is not that I don't believe I will be forgiven IT. The fact is that what what typifies this event as self defenses, how IT began, not how IT ended.

had found peace, said john goff. Remember, he was a paston. Ce, you think you're god forgives you for .

what you .

did for the things that I did wrong? He sent us on the die form, and he's not gonna waste his friends life time.

And again, as we spoke, he took pieces of the story of what happened and related them to his central theme, a religious certainly .

do with me fulfilling the purpose that I was created for.

Pretty shocking idea that you may be, and I don't mean something mean here, but you were created for the purpose of killing joy.

No, that's not what i'm saying. Well, you did. I realized.

ed, that what he meant.

he said, was that he remembers .

aced his Christian ministry.

When we spoke to him.

He said he had a new purpose .

to help us fellow prisoners .

seek and accept gods forgiveness.

Do you believe an ever? yes. And do you believe joyce there now?

Yes, I do.

So when you say, when you arrive in heaven.

I tell her i'm sorry. I don't tell you that .

I love you say you being there.

I think you'll forgive me.

Among her friends and family, the pain of her death, the horrific story, was raw.

Joy was life. They said, how could such evil?

Because by a man who claimed to live by god's laws.

SHE was wonderful and he would deserve that.

and .

especially not from him.

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