The Case of the Man with No Name
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for the win. I started panicking. That was crying.

There was so much luminescence, the amount of blood in the car that you can pretty much see IT from space, probably something very that had happened to doing. He commented that SHE would not be surprised if her x boyfriend might have something to do with this.

spending time with him and not with me.

We can track him down. Nobody has been to his home. They don't know where he lives.

He's a ghost. This guy.

I reached out to his grandmother. I send her his driver's licence. SHE immediately says, that's not my grandsons. I've never seen them before.

This guy had taken her grandson's identity.

He only asked one question, how far will this jet ski go on a full .

tank of guess.

I was feel like we're chasing James bond here.

I lived in tair, sleeping with one I open. He will stop at nothing to get what he wants.

A murderer suspect armed with a stolen ID and a jet ski makes for a manhunt like no other.

I'm letter hold. And this is deadline.

Here's Keith Morrison with the case of the man with no name.

He was a ghost, a grainy image on a bit of security video. But whatever IT was that lurked in a midnight dumpster. The mystery man rushing into the street was something under his ARM.

But he was up to something devious here in this big northern city, seemed obvious if if only someone could make sense of him as deeds as he slipped in. A lot of you like some Perry porter guys, just, who was he? This man with no name. What did he do and where did he go?

No one could believe IT. If you'd script at this for a movie, they would say this is far fetched.

And here is how I began. IT was a bright sunday morning going on noon, may thirty first, two thousand fifteen, calgary, Alberta, canada, a pedestrian walking past a parking garage heard a loud explosion and, quick as a wink, pulled out a smart phone and caught this video of the man running away from the garages and the smell ery hunk of an accuracy and inside the garage, firefighters in police, to their relief to find no victim inside the car.

But why did someone set IT on fire? Had to be a reason. The register owner was a guy who lived a three hard drive away in the city of edmonton, forty two year old, 对， am q this is dan's brother.

darn. I received a call from the calgary police arson investigator. Call me to say that we had found doing car and IT was on firing, were looking for daae kind of insitutional maybe that he had something to do with that.

Now I know right, a way that no do. I didn't have anything to do with that. His friends are just seen doing the night before at a birthday party for one of his best friends, kolia polio one ops. But he left early to pull a shift at his limo service job. Here is koa.

Dane said that he had come back after he was done his limo chef.

but he did not.

I didn't really think anything of the time. I just thought maybe he went home to Better or something. He was tired.

So nobody was very worried .

about at the time. no. And then I got a phone .

call from a friend asking.

how do you heard from dane since the party? And I said, no. And he said that dane's father had called to say that the police had called him to let him know that the car was on fire in calgary. And then, of course, you just start panicking and phoning, doing like crazy and just trying to call anybody that I could think of that he might have gone to spend the night their house. Anything you hope somebody just stole the car?

Something right, guys? Friend dand babee got the newsroom. One of grains cousins SHE said early doing hadn't come home after a shift previous night, uh, working as sufferer.

And then I I knew doing IT work for a company that time called the revolution amazing. Shortly after that conversation, I google the address, just start a curiosity to see where I was located. And I turned out to be not to terminally far from my home, madera.

This turn, by the way, is a odio writer. Loony, slow talking is friends girl on the cowboy. But now, in that moment, the cowboy adopted a new role, amateur detective. And when I was Young, teenage boy, I had read a lot of decent cyclist ity Brown books, which is basically a boy detective that kind of solves crimes in his neighborhood.

And now hearing about a possible crime, his neighbourhood, maybe involving his friend, that boy was on the case, and on his own drove out to revolution limit ine in search of clues. And I surveyed the whole area, had taken at all in at, taken on quite a few pictures, the parking lot of vehicles in the parking lot to license plate numbers, and came around behind this planter here. And I didn't notice that at first I passed back.

I was looking at the ground and happened to look to decide, and notice sitting in the in the corner here was a black ball cap and a sheet of some sort. And the cowboy wondered, what would a cyclopedia Brown do? Well, if this was a crime scene, if that is, then this hat this chief should be handled as evidence, which is what he did, picture pictures from, put a few different angles, close up, didn't touch anything, disturb anything.

And then after downing a pair of gloves there, and bovee took the hat and SHE to his truck and put them in separate plastic bags. Having no idea, you're just collected evidence that would eventually help explain the mysterious disappearance of his friend. Drain dm. Q.

With the next game like the cowboy in a child od hero like the cycle, tia Brown IT hard, they need saying there. And w was a determined man, unable to find his missing friend.

When demo anywhere in or around the revolution limo company, darn drove over to the fedex office where din was scheduled to go to work on his second job that very night at eight o'clock, and kind of state out at that workplace and way around and eight o'clock he man went on, still no, signed away. Now the cowboy was really worried this wasn't like doing at all. So the next morning he headed off his evidence, the knife shift in the hat to the police. And that same morning, Grace friend carlia got a call from a detective with a request they .

asked my boyfriend denied, to come down to the police station to be interviewed.

And they wanted to know more about what kind of person doing was and what sort of relationship we had to go. You.

joan, would come over a lot to my house. I'd make dinner for him once or twice a week. He got along really well as my boyfriend.

Point is a popular guy.

He was very popular. yes.

yeah. What was IT about him?

He was just a really fun loving guy. He was jovial. He laugh at everything. He was very kind, harder and thoughtful.

He was a hard worker, and he really went out of his way for people that he cared of. He worked really hard so that he could take a few months off a year because he was a paddy instructor. So he like to go to tropical destinations and teach school board diving. So he worked as hard as he could to save up and then take a few months off.

That sounds like kind of an ideal life for some people. I know.

Yeah, I was for ham.

He, I hear, had quite a crush on you.

He did. But he wasn't ever four word awkward about IT. He always is respectful of my relationships, but he did have a crash on me and .

so call you like the cowboy decided to pitch in to help. But rather than working alone, SHE pulled together a team of friends.

And then we start trying to do our own detective work to put the pieces together.

sure. So what kinds of things did you do?

We got fires. We also had a friend to put up a billboard. We called all his friends. We were trying to play all the puzzle pieces together to try to figure out what happened. Quite a lot of work I was, but you feel like you have to do something.

Did you go over to the location of the limo company and look around there?

We share to IT. yes.

What do you find there? nothing.

We were just looking to see if there was cameras. If we could see maybe there was a different angle, maybe just try to find anything like that. You're trying .

be a by using joins ipad, they found the spot where doins phone last paint about five miles from revolution, amazing along this highway that beats to calgary, as if the phone have been toss from a car.

Of course, we're trying to drive the see if we can see maybe something, maybe he's in like a drainage pipe, anything we're just trying to look, you know I mean, we don't really know what we're looking for. We're just trying .

to find anything to police were doing that same to work or not? No.

they were. They definitely were. But you just can't IT still .

understand the cops were treating this seriously. But as a missing person's case, after all, doing good resource anytime you look bad, but people do turn up often. But by june fourth twenty fifteen, four days in, the missing person's cops knew IT was time to make a phone call.

and they began to realize that probably something very bad had happened to doing.

which is why they call in lead edmonton homicide detective brian Robertson and detective rob bill away.

Based on the lack of signs of life with a drain, dem. q. IT was obvious that that harm had come to him.

and there was still no forensic evidence that drain was dead. Still, the detectives took IT on the way they would a murder investigation and started from scratch. They looked at that cell phone video shot by the bystander who saw the man running away from the parking garage after brain's car exploded.

Now he was recording. He saw a guy running from the parking garage, and he was looking back over his shoulder at the car that was on fire.

afraid of being detected. The passion by I put his phone down by a side, but told detectives he saw the man and .

he was Carrying a license plate, and he kind of tuck around behind a garbage bin. And he took off a shirt, he wrapped up the license plate and the shirt he was wearing, and he started to walk away. And he essentially walked out the side of where he was.

Not suspicious behavior at all.

Just a little bit. Yeah, what made IT even more strange, the timing of the day, his actions in plain view, IT certainly didn't make any .

sense at all. So who was that guy? The video was just too fuzzy to tell. They brought the car in for forensic analysis, and right away they could see that guy if he was the one who started the fire IT was an amateur.

Whoever started the fire really didn't know much about fires because um they started the fire in the trunk of the car. But when they started the fire, they close the trunk and when they close the trunk, they eliminate all the oxygen. The fire was out, so IT really didn't get get going sufficiently enough to to do much damage to the car.

leaving most of the car and its contents intact.

There are some documents with different individuals, names on them. Keys were in ignition. The vehicle is running.

And one more thing, quite probably the very thing the arsenius wanted most of all to destroy on the back seat there was blood.

Blood never a good sign when IT turns up in the back seat of a missing man's car if IT was playing them. Q blood, that is also IT was unclear how much blood was in there without some more testing. Was that blood that said you'd had a nasty cut, or blood that said you were dead? Anyway, detect this billow away. And Roberts and spent their time coming through all the stuff that missing person's investigators had found inside grains car. They needed to sort out what was evidence and what was just junk.

This is quite a mess. There are some documents with different individuals, names on them. One of the names on a piece of paper there was Angel shelf u so they gave Angel a call to see um what information they could clean from her.

Angel, who is he that turned out, Angel had already been questioned by the missing person's cops just today before Roberts in a delaway, were assigned the case. So they pulled up the video of a interview to see what you had to say.

Angel and dine used to live common on. They were living together for both eight years. They ended their relationship, but they still maintained a very strong friendship.

They spoke to everyday. They saw each other probably four to five times a week. They were .

just very good friends. So much of doing another guy in her life got jealous. SHE .

commented that he would not be surprised if her recent x boyfriend, a fellow and emma Robert Robert maxwell might have something to do with this. He did not like doing very much and he was not really comfortable that um his then girlfriend Angel had such a close friendship with daae who was an next boyfriend.

Well that's that's a classic motivation. Alright, absolutely. And according to Angel, do I told her this Robert Robert maxwell follow was bad news and wanted her to dump him? I said, Angel, get rid of him. I'm worried every time you're with him, even my sisters were like, no, no, don't you get rid of him?

Is there anyone else you think they would have a problem with doing?

No, I we can think of anybody.

Can you describe Robert to me? Please tell me what he looks like.

This is the point of the interview where bill away and Roberts and set up on their seat because Angel went, went Better than a simple description of Robert SHE pulled out her smartphone. Show them a video.

He look, he looks like a guy.

and then just dressed like that, like jeans on north face call. That is winter cool? yes. Then Angel said, this, this, this hat is a north face, SHE said, just like to one the cowboy found outside revolution, lima's ine were doing work of that. Had was Roberts, and perhaps I could tie him directly to join his disappearance.

They give, of course, lots of those caps right around on the heads of elementary ions on any given day. Still, that one had was what they had. So they set IT out for DNA testing and waited, don't told your breath at the lab.

There are just happened to be a backlog, lots of cases vying for DNA attention. So don't expect to see results for weeks at least. So we just .

have to sort of forge ahead with our investigation.

which meant bringing Angel back in for another .

round of questions .

this time. Detectives, way, I wanted to ask Angel, did he recognize that guy in the cell phone? Video, the one walking away from brain dumps? Es, burning car is .

really short a couple times. Like you to be clear on if you recognize them anyone as being anyone you do. If you don't, yes, that's just as important.

我 跑开。 Would I be in at himself? I was walking down the street and thinking, hey, rob, I would probably do that. So yeah, when a .

scale want to ten.

how IT and A. Yeah, now the hunt was on for Robert Robert maxwell. The problem was abba maxwell, like doing dem q was missing too, without much to tell what happened, except this dark security video recorded just hours before joins car exploded.

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Six days after drain dmk venice from his happy life in edmonton, detective bill away and Roberts and were now searching for two missing persons, one a possible victim, the other Robert Robert maxwell, a possible suspect.

We were looking for him. All that like he was, he became the only guy that we were looking for.

They didn't expected to be easy. They had no idea. They started their arbery maxim phase of the investigation in the very same place where a cowboy started here, revolution limas ine.

That's the spot where, in a planter outside the front door, cowboy found the knife sheet in the north face hat is there was a sheep that add to be a knife. So was that around here somewhere nearby? Two.

we looked everywhere. There is absolutely nothing where behind a the ball a bit because we're six days in to the investigation. So makes sense that we wouldn't find find anything. But I guess you have to try.

Then they went looking for video surveilLance video, and those cameras everywhere now. Well, no. Outside there was a grand total of one security camera attached to an adjoining building, building out over the parking lot. But there were hitches. For one thing, IT wasn't recording all the time.

That was motion activated on the roof at the back of the industrial building. It's a black and weight, and it's a really .

grainy video. Still, they went through IT, squinting at every frame. And maybe they had something here.

maybe about eleven, ten in the evening. The video turns on because what looks like a male figure walks through the screen and then off the screen, out of camera range, three or four minutes later. What's likely the same male returns on screen and walked, passed through again, and he goes to a dumpster, large industrial dumpster, that is set the rare of of revolution limit.

He opens the lid to the dumpster, and he crawlers inside, and he closes the lid. But, and then on two occasions after that, the camera activated because the lid of the dumb ster raised up about six inches and then closed again. And then a little while later, raised up like someone was looking at, you couldn't see the person, but like someone was peering out and then closed again.

My, my, my, so one grainy camera outside, where somebody seemed to tend on some sort of weird surveilLance, and two cameras inside revolution the most garage quality a bit Better.

So we are able determine that at two fifty, A M dane was able to drive the limits on into the a loading bay. We could see the loading bay, we could see him walking around. Uh he cleaned up the imagine as a he did every night and we're able able to tell that at um four in the morning he punches in the code to set the security system and he walked out the door after .

rain walked out that door billow way and rabbit s and expected to see some sort of assault take place on that grainy motion sensitive camera overlooking the parking lot but for some reason I didn't activate .

and that's the gut punch or only thought was the that night um shortly before four o'clock in the morning, a significant thunderstorm rolled through that area, probably knocked the power out in that area for a short period of time, and the camera went offline.

So detectors were left with just this one final shot of rain dem q walking out the door.

And that is the last time that doing has ever seen.

Mind you, soon thereafter, the same could be said of the number one suspect, Robert Robert maxwell. Not that he ever made IT easy to be seen, even to his friends.

IT was a bit of an enigma. We knew nothing really about him recently. No one knew where he lived.

He would never talk about where he grew up. No one knew what kind of family he had, if you yet any brothers or sisters. No one knew anything in bottom.

He self employed. He has a glass business. We go to the business address and that turns out to be a storage .

facilities .

very unusual, especially for um Angel who I known him for a forty year and a half at that point, maybe two years to know nothing about him, but nobody did. He has no online uh, social media presence. He has no facebook.

We talk to some acquaintance of his. Nobody has been to his home. They don't know where he lives.

He's a ghost. This guy.

he's certainly is a ghost.

But he really did exist. They had all sort of public records proving mad.

We were finding pieces of evidence all along the way video evidence, a cell phone evidence, everything that continued to tell us that we're going in the right direction and we're looking at the right person. And um we've got pictures of Robert, not actually he's got a legitimate legal rivers's license with a photo. He's got a canadian passport with a photo. He's got a social insurance number. We know who this guy is .

and he was discovered on security camera video recorded around calgary shortly after the car fire.

His picture keeps showing up on this, a scape route, basically everywhere he goes. We've got on one hotel cameras. We've got to all these places.

And then the trail ran out. No idea where he went. So back to the other question.

what kind of person was.

in a word, creepy?

You just gave me the T, B, G, B S. There is just something off about him.

remakes. Well, he, along with Angel and cowboy, we're all part of a bigger circle of friends.

And the first birthday dinner that we went to where he attended, we were in a private room. IT was a nice birthday dinner and he's on his phone watching videos and and I put your phone away, it's really rude and he's watching videos of people get into correct ks and it's and die.

Yeah.

he was an odd guy is how he was described. He um had previously lived with a couple people. They never got along whatsoever. Um the people that he live with were even so much fearful of him.

Maybe for a good reason, here's what the roommates found when they searched his old bedroom. After he moved out.

they found a large knife, sheath and knife, and the similarity is the knife sheet that was found behind revolution limo was called a garber junior, and the knife that was found in his a apartment suite was called the garver senior. So was the same knife, but just quite a bit larger.

IT wasn't a knife actually, but i'm a shati. This is the junior version of IT twelve. Binch is long with a fine edge on one side of the blade and saw teeth on the other, a very lethal weapon, which is made clear to the detectives.

Once lab tech spray a chemical that illuminated the blood inside. Join them. Use car.

There was so much luminous or luminous from the the amount of blood in the car that you can pretty much see IT from space IT. Just globe. wow. Enough blood that we were able to make a determination that whose ever blood that was likely did not survive.

which made this very much a murder case. But the killer, if killer, he was seen several steps ahead of them there, one minute gone, the next without a trace left behind. The forensic members .

had never seen a vehicle like that that had been wiped that clean.

There was no longer any question the amount of blood found a rain dem cues car came from wounds that were clearly fatal. Was IT brain's blood? No, most certainly.

But like the detectives, brains, family and friends can only wait for the DNA to confirm IT an awful, grief colored limbo. Did you think that there was any chance he was? So arrive.

we hoped, but there was so much blood in the back of the car.

Did I feel like to .

lose vaiting? I was heart broken and um IT was just tough fight. I've never lost anybody liked that before. I mean, I hope I never will and I hope nobody else has to go do that. But I mean and he never think it's gonna the last time you see somebody .

the detect is meanwhile, we're concentrating on the elusive Robert Robert maxwell and found through a record search he'd once been arrested on an assault charge and offence serious enough to have his DNA at IT into the national criminal registry. As surprised perhaps, but also a lucky break, because now all the detectives had to do was weight on the DNA test results for the north face hat, the thai og maxwell to revolution limasson and whatever happened to train dem q.

So we were looking forward to, uh, lab results telling us whether we in fact found a DNA on the hat because there's no guarantee is there. And if we do find DNA on the hat, we were certainly hopeful that I was couldn't come back to, uh, Robert dodi maxwell.

As for finding him, record showed he owned a White gmc pickup truck, which finished the very same time he did.

So we put on a flag on that vehicle. So if any laender cement agency where to run that plate, I would get notified immediately if that vehicle was ever, was ever stopped or located or observe.

And two weeks later, the day deville, I got an alert from a vancouver .

police department member saying that he had located this vehicle. IT was in the kiss lao beach parking lot.

Arbery maxwell IT appeared, had driven as far west as possible before he simply ran another road based on the parking ticket stacked up on the windchill. Police figured the truck had been there for three days, and IT might as well. I've had an a bost inviting along with those parking tickets. Steal me, please.

The passenger window was partially down. The keys were in the ignition. There is a brand new cell phone in a drink container.

All of us, including the vancouver police members, couldn't believe that I didn't get stolen .

on the very first day, maybe because do a potential thave the truck look staged almost like a set up?

IT was so obvious that that someone wanted that trucks stolen, that the suspects were thought that would have been a big truck, and they went, have taken IT.

There was an intent, clearly, Robert, and want to be found here. He wanted somebody else to take the truck.

take the heat hundred percent. He wanted someone to take that truck, drive IT contaminated, get a full of any kind of other evidence or whatever whoever steals a truck brings into IT.

And now the detectives had what surely must be a truck load of evidence to examine.

We want to search for fingerprints. We want to go through IT, uh, with a fine tooth home, if you will, and just see what evidence .

we can .

clean from IT. We find, well, we found that whoever had used that last had completely wiped down on the forensic members had never seen a vehicle like that, that had been wiped that clean, even in between the door panels, everywhere you could think of was, was White down.

as was the cell phone found inside the cab. Who was this guy who would think of prepping a vehicle to be both stolen by thea and discovered by the police? Besides the cell phone, the csi team found only three items of note, all in the truck bed, a small boat trailer, a plastic fork and a chew piece of gum.

almost like the driver of the vehicle through a gump out the window. And the wind blew IT back .

into the boss of the .

truck came right now, what's not lost on us is this is a very common pedestrian area in the parking lot. And someone could have walk past that truck and throwing a .

piece of gum in themselves, like someone apparently did with the plastic fork. Still that detectives, dutiful ly, sent the fork in the gum out for DNA testing, just in case weren't .

sure what was going to come of IT, but the truck was so clean. And there is a lack of evidence that at this point where looking for anything.

well, they waited for the last analysis to come in the detectors, ran the registration on that small boat trailer found in the trucks pit, expecting IT would come back in a remarkable s name. But I did not. IT was registered to someone else altogether, someone who lived in a vancouver suburb.

And we reached out to that register owner and interviewed them.

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lisa that a uh fellow with uh White truck with Albert license plates uh answered their um they're for a jy for sale.

The male that they described a matched the description of robbert burberry maxwell. He tried to include A A cell phone in the purchase. Uh they said they just wanted cash.

So ultimately, he just paid them cash for the boat and he only asked one question and the question he asked was how far will this jet skii go on a full tank of gas?

Where was he? Did Robert, Robert maxwell actually escape on that jet ski?

I thought he was on an island in bc .

with something like a sinking feeling. Detect a rob Billy away. Contemplated all those rainforest rise up from the ocean of the british colombia mainland island, started with thousands of of an empty colleges, many with an easy range of a jeki for the gas.

I think you can live quite a while and detected on one of those islands.

So we ve got to hold a canada coast guard. And the inquires we made were is there any um abandoned the lost jet ski has been found anywhere um that has come to their attention and they had no reports of any of that stuff .

but then lee detective brian Roberts and never did think there a suspect was hiding out on some island out there.

The first thing I thought of was that he put that jet ski in the water and he drove IT around the coast line to point Roberts, washington.

Point Roberts, washington is a tiny peninsula or just south of vancouver. But as a result of a long ago border treaty, this sliver of land is part of the united states, not canada. From here on point, Roberts seems pretty clear what he might have done with a just sky.

You see that slip of land out there. That's a fair terminal. The southern most piece of canada heading out into the state, a jeki could go around that very terminal, come back into the land just behind those pillars there and be in amErica without anybody being .

any the wiser you can totally get to the mainland us undetected um and not have to go through U. S. Customs again.

Wow, that was an interesting route. What else would that tell you about this guy? Well.

that told us that um I don't think he's going to go summer that he's not familiar with. He's going to go somewhere where he's comfortable .

a reasonable idea except detective bill away and Roberts, and could find nothing connecting Robert R. E. Max well, to the united states. No us, relatives or friends or girlfriends. Nobody far as I could determine that sounds like that he'd that .

in dead in for sure. There was absolutely nothing to indicate that Robert, a remarkable, had any history with the united states. What's ever still.

just to be sure, they searched the entire shoreline of little, little point Roberts, no sign of a errent jet ski there so that detectives move there, are search back north of on the canadian shore line and run the jet key's registration number through a national database for stolen cars and boats and IT identified .

that that just ski had been seized a few days earlier by the delta police department.

Delta police department in canada.

in canada IT IT had been found uh washed up against the uh to wom uh, caused way to the fair terminal. And that causes is basically the last piece of land that puts out into the ocean before you get to point Roberts.

So maybe he dumped the just he just shorter the border and swam the rest of the way or maybe the current pulled IT back into canada, whatever. But they didn't know this. He was in the us. And they were on the right trail after all.

we know that he wrote this gets sky um at least thirteen noticing miles.

I don't know who comes up with the idea like that, but somebody who does not really wants to escape. I, yes.

we kind of laugh each other, Robin, I and said the almost feel like purchasing James bond here. This doesn't even make sense.

But he, if february maxwell had really sneaked into the united states illegally, he could be anywhere. Once again, his trail had gone cold. And then two and a half months after the car fire, six weeks after that ski was found, the first DNA results came in.

Oddly, they were the last one submitted. And the least likely to be helpful, the ones for the plastic fork and the chewing gump somebody has thrown into the bed of the White pickup truck in kelani before, came back clean. Nothing there with the APP text were able to extract a usable DNA level from the gum.

We weren't really holding our breath on what that that DNA might come back as um but IT was certainly of interest to us. Well the DNA came back and IT was identified as unknown male one in our file.

meaning IT did not match robbert dobby maxwell S D N A on file from that earlier is so charged, nor IT did not match anyone else in the national DNA database. So the gun must have been tossed into the Better of the truck by an innocent passerby. Just like this expected the north face capital. That was a big one that DNA could lock up the case. I think collectively.

our whole investigative a team was waiting for the DNA to come back.

And the lab results for that sample came in four days later. IT was certain to be a match to our maxwell just had to be, but IT was not. IT was the unknown guy who checked the chewing gum into the truck.

We recognized when we got the second matching unknown male DNA, that we had a problem. And IT was a big problem.

big problem.

We need to understand this DNA before we continue pursuing Robert maxwell.

And suddenly nothing made sense at all. We were going .

on a path where we believe robbert very maxwell was our suspect. And getting that hit on that DNA were back at square one. Either Roberta maxwell was in a guy, Robert berry maxell had a complex, or robbert Robert maxwell s are guy. We ve got to figure out how was the other guy?

Because if the unknown chew gum guy was also the north face hat guy, then he was almost certainly the guy who killed. Blame dq. But who was he?

Who was he who was drained dem cus killer? Who was this unknown male one IT .

was confusing. We were really on a linear path towards, uh, ubi maxwell, and we were finding pieces of evidence all along the way, video evidence of a cell phone evidence, everything that continued to tell us that we're going in the right direction and we're looking at the right person. And now we have this flying elite's, this unknown mail, one DNA that we can establish.

The logical conclusion was that arbery maxwell had an accomplish and .

that this is this guy's DNA. So we're still drive and towards our reMarks, well, because the first question we want to ask him is who was with you?

Yeah, so maybe there are two guys and that just leave in .

the country entirely possible, right?

Except all the surveilLance photos of albi maxwell taken in calgary shortly after the car fire showed him alone. So when in doubt call all about Robertson, a billi gathered the rest of the homicide unit together to get their take on IT. Maybe fresh eyes would see something.

What were they missing in this picture case? Brian was doing what bryan typically does, which is tell stories. This is detective curt Martin basically listening to the story .

and i'm thinking about what they are actually tell tell me um .

they taught to what the dan evidence I said, curt, is there any other way this DNA can happen? There should be ginning IT from urea xi, because he's a real person. He's got, he's got real idea. Everything else we know who he is. Current looks up from his desk and he says, how do we actually that robbert Robert maxwell is actually robbert arper maxwell as soon he said that it's like, of .

course you're right.

You know, it's one of those you're so busy in the investigation that sometimes you can see the force for the trees and you needs someone on the outside who really is not .

wrapped up in IT. And just like that, the whole investigation turned on the dime. What if they've been chasing the wrong guy all along, or maybe the right guy, but the wrong name? Up to now, detectives had held off contacting aubry maxwell s. Family for good reason.

We didn't want to learn the family that the police were looking for him until he got to the point where holic w is this even Robert remarkable that we're dealing with. Um so bran was able to speak to um robbery robbery max's family.

I reached out to um a woman that I had found in ontario and IT turns out she's uh ubi max was grandmother and raised them as a kid and so he says I haven't talked to him. As two thousand twelve he left ontario and he went to vancouver and he was living on the street in vancouver. He's got a drug problem. He wasn't doing all that well in vancouver.

So that attacked ves went back to their counterparts in vancouver to see if they had any contact with ubi maxwell, not as a criminal purse, but as a drug user. And they certainly did enclosed within this rich and extraordinary beautiful city are a dozen square box of misery called the downtown. Inside here, in this land of lost souls, op. Maxwell became known as a frequent flyer and edited and street dover, who bumped into the law all the time.

Robber bbi. Maxwell was well known to police every city he goes to his well know to police. He, he's always dealt with an ontario. He was always dealt .

with an bc everywhere he went. And very frequently.

for our reasons.

he was a drug user. He was homeless when he moved from ontario to B. C, he was living on the street. He was dealt with by police um at least every week.

so you can almost follow his movements that way.

Here in this sad place he bounce from street to street, shelter to shelter, surviving if only just and in .

september of twenty twelve all of that ended he was um no longer staying in in shelters in vancouver we able to track down where he had stayed last. Um we have the last date he was there, able to determine the last time he has ever dealt with by police, able to determine the last time his grama spoke on the phone. So our time line of when Robert berry maxwell was last seen alive was pretty tight, and he was seen alive by a lot of people.

And all of that ends. He's never done with my place again, and his family never hear from him again. And he never shows up at another shelter in vancouver .

in february two thousand and thirteen, more than two years before done dq was murdered. Arby maxwell s. Grandmother reported him missing to the vancouver police department.

So the police found the room in house that he had been staying in. In fact, in that rooming house, they said, he's no longer here.

He hasn't been here for a while, but when he was here last, he cashed a check from a company and amin called architectural glass well, and that's, and we saw so vancouver police, missing person's investigators contacted architectural glass and said, grandmother's reported, you missing SHE has been heard from you in a few weeks. He wants to know how you doing that kind of thing. He says, i'm fine.

I'm living and working in evening. I don't want anything to do with anybody in my family. That's why i'm here.

I've cut ties with them. I don't want to be considered missing, so don't consider me missing. I'm just not contacting my family.

They cancelled their missing person's file. They contacted the grandmother and they said, we found him. He's an event.

He's fine. He says he don't want to any to do with his family, and that's yet. And so SHE accept to that and that's .

where he ended the search stops um and unfortunately, he's not listed as missing any longer.

No more than two years after he was reported missing, the detectives hoping to sort out who's who sent opery maxwells grandmother is most recent drivers license .

photo SHE looks at IT and SHE immediately says, that's not my grandson. I've never seen him before.

To be double sure, Robertson and checked with police and abby max was boyhood home town to see if they had an old booking photo by chance from one of his drug arrests and they did this one. This guy was clearly not the Robert robbery. Maxwell, evan, detectives been chasing all these months.

We know why unknown mail one DNA is not coming back to Robert. we? Max, well, because it's not robbery. Maxwell, and we're also immediately of a strong opinion that this this person, when he took robber bery maxim identity, likely kill them because arbi maxwell comes to the attention of police far too often to not come to the attention of the place for three years on the lower side in vancouver. So now we believe that we have two homicides that we're investigating.

two murders, one unknown killer.

They were just about timid. Why would anyone decide to kill sweet, fun loving to demo friend to everyone? He was puzzle enough, and then dumped his body, god knows where.

But this unknown puzzle within a puzzle who was unknown male one, if not a remakes well, the next phone called the joints family was not an easy one to bake. Dance brother, darn, the collin said we have a problem. The DNA came back or, okay, great.

Um it's not him. What what you mean? It's not him. It's not as DNA somebody else is. We don't know what is somebody else. Would that do you deflate everybody? I think at that point, dance friend call you, he was like a movie.

IT was crazy. He was like a movie. Not only was there finding out that he had murdered her friend, but then finding out that he was an even the same person that you thought that he was, and then you kind of wonder what life he was leading before. I rather people that he's done this to.

though, now that detectives were pretty sure they had two murder to solve, and no suspects, the only evidence of any use, just a couple of DNA saplings from someone they knew only as unknown male one, how do you look for a person when you don't know who they are? Nothing to do, but go back to square one.

We pour back over Angels previous interviews that he had done and on one of the interviews we typically would ask her any sort of back story that um her boyfriend Robert had given her about his previous life and he remembered that he had made mention that he had been in washington state for a short period of time before coming to vancouver.

And that resonated with us obviously because we believe that he took the jet skee to point Roberts and that's a direct route to washington state. So I contacted a friend demise, who now works for our motor vehicle branch. And so I requested that he sent a photograph of, uh, r, my back. Well, the drivers, this is photo to washington state D M V N. Have them run IT through their, uh, facial recognition software.

The photo recognition request was really just a giant fishing exploration, what detective Robinson and really wanted to do was run that mystery DNA profile through the U. S. Database, known as code s, which the FBI agreed to do. But there was a catch, a true catch. Twenty two.

yes. B, I said, we have to have a name. We just can't ford to put an unnamed D N. A to them that that doesn't meet the criteria.

But the name, of course, was what Robertson was hoping the FBI could give him. So now IT seems the entire investigation was writing on the washington state dmv facial recognition search. Maybe they would come up with a name and surprise, surprise, three months into the investigation, on september third twenty fifteen, the homicide unit finally caught a break. Maybe .

washington dmv representative calling back and said, we have a possible, uh, recognition on our computer for your drivers' license photo. As soon does that happen, the prony ally sent us a series of photographs that the computer kicked out of their system and says, somewhere in here is the closest recognition to um the photograph that you santis there .

were twenty five photos in all each given a probability rating on a scale of zero to one and one of them, this one which looked a lot like the guy in their surveilling videos on the computer, is scored a perfect one.

And that person was identified in their system as Jason statement.

Jason statement might be the right name, might not be the right name, but this was the important thing.

I can now have our forensic investigators send the DNA result to the FBI. And within a few days, IT comes back as Jason statement. So now we know who the pitch and the driver's licenses. He's jasie statement. We know who's DNA is is Jason statement and we know whose DNA is on the gun in aubry maximum s truck is Jason statement .

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Three months into their pursuit of going and cues, killer detective Robertson and bills learn the man they were chasing was wanted in two countries, had at least three identities and different looks from one photo to the next. They learned their prey under another name altogether, did time and florida during the nineties, burglary, grand theft and arson.

We learn that Jason statement, uh, has a family in washroom state. He has an x wife named Jennifer and a Young daughter.

When we met, his legal name was Jason, and that was that he got his legal name changed. why? So his driver's licence said Jason and his last name was blank. And I asked him about IT, and he said he didn't have a relationship with his parents or his family didn't want anything to do with them. So he legally changed his name to get rid of his birth name.

At least that's the story he told Jennifer statement, which acted md. And february two thousand eight through a single social club.

And we head IT off. And that's where IT started. What were your first impressions?

Is the guy.

uh, first impressions what he was good look in, he was a charming and very polite, very cover s opening doors offering into lake, just weight on me, hand and foot. You know what every .

woman's dream is? Jennie, of course, had no idea her dream man was a convicted felon. All SHE knew is that when Jason started talking about settling down and getting married and having your family SHE was all in.

he was always like, okay, when you want to start plan and having kids, you know, we should start buying all the baby stuff now. So we don't have a big expense in the end. So he'd randomly start picking up things like a stroller, a car seat, a crib.

Before I even got pregnant. He started buying all these little things here and there. And I thought he was the guy yeah, that i'd spent the rest of my life with .

so and you were happy about that yeah.

And sam was all good. I was like he wanted to give me the world and treat .

me like a queen. Jennifer was three months pregnant when SHE and Jason married in lost vegas on new year's day two thousand nine. And that's when Jason took javert's last name, becoming Jason stedman. Six months later, they had a baby girl. And as if by slide of hand, the once convicted arsonist fed into a middle class dad, he had a wife, a baby, a nice apartment, was making good money as a union delivery driver, but for some reason he was no longer treating Jennifer like royalty.

And he went go off and hang out with his friends and his girlfriend. Come back, like at the end of the day, if I question him, he would start slapping me IT in physical. I think when my daughter was about two months old, we were fighting. And I remember he put his hands around my neck and choked me and said, if you ever take my daughter away from me, I will kill you.

Jennifer was desperate to be other than marriage, but he was afraid to leave Jason, afraid of what you might do to her and their daughter. And then on the day before thanksgiving, two thousand nine, just as they .

SAT down for dinner, that's when all her break lives.

IT started with a pounding on the apartment's front door.

I looked at the people, and all could see was a bright light. So I think at all, that was the fire department. Someone set off a smoke alarm, open the door to find twenty plus F, B, I agent guns in my face, battering rams at the door, ready to be used, ripped in my house apart, interrogating him in different rooms. Me in different rooms.

IT made the news. Eight black S, U. S. Pulled into our street and then park. And then two police cars book of both sides of the street.

They were all wearing FBI shirts, their badges and bolt her vest, and they were Carrying a battering ing. And Jason, much heavy at the time, was arrested. And that's when Jennifer learned, to her considerable surprise, that he had been fired from his delivery job two months earlier and he didn't take IT well.

And then that's when he decided to fur lack of a Better term teachers boston lesson. IT started with simple things of flooding the bathrooms, and then IT turned into male threatening death threats with White powder in them to his employer headquarters with the seattle times. And I guess he had also been making pipe bombs and planting them in .

newspaper boxes. Did you have any idea on?

I had no idea. And they had charging with holland terrorism.

The plate bombs were dummies, and the White powder are nothing more than corn. Ge, still, september two thousand and ten, Jason pleaded guilty to one count of sending threatening hot letters and one count of committing a pipe bomb hoax and as part of the deal was given a two year sentence and I .

was able to divorce him, why he was in jail and get away from him, and started over. So that kind of a blessing, because he was removed for my life before I got worse.

And IT did get worse because statement was released on problem after serving us at a year. And what did he do? Then he started phoning Jennifer about wanting to see their daughter and .

demanding unsupervised visits with her whenever he wanted. So I started getting that, that red flag pitching, you're got feeling again. So I went down to the court and follow the restraining order against him.

He evaded every time they came to serve them. He evaded IT. They leave business cards. He would evade IT. He was taken some college classes at the time they go to the college, he dev them.

And then finally, we had worked out a plan with the share of office to meet him at his next meal with his officer. Everything was said, hidden shell fors meeting. They went to his apartment, found out he had completely moved out. He was gone.

The U. S. Martial service started hunting for Jason and learn pretty quickly you've been looking in to buying one way bus tickets .

for him in a .

child and a child.

which once they told me that I was like, OK will this goes back to his threats of, if I ever tried to take her, he was gona kill me and take my daughter. So this was serious, a series you can get. I'd have a detective meet me in the parking lot when I got to work.

Walk me inside my job. One of the company security guards with me, the metier eight hour shift while i'm at work, even walking with me to the restroom. And then when I clock out, they would walk me to the .

front door where the detective would.

I lived my life in tair. I was constantly looking over my shoulder, sleeping with one. I open extra locks on the front door. I put little motion sensor alarms on all the windows in case he tried to break in. I was in living in terre.

And then Jason just disappeared and very gradually, boot by bit, Jennifer let down her guard, even though no one had seemed had any idea where he was. Or what do you might try to do next?

IT was August twenty twelve when Jason's statement vanish from his x wife geneva's life, either he or the police nor the martial service at any idea where he was. They did issue in arrest warrant declaring he was a flight risk and a danger to the community as far as Jennifer was concerned, with good written, so he stays gone.

But what none of knew was that by the time the arrest warrant was issued, Jason was already in canada, and at some point came here to the downtown each side of vancouver, where the real Robert aubrey maxwell was living in a shelter and from their phone, his grandmother, for the final time on september six, two thousand. Six days later, Jason, using Roberts per certificate, applied for a government photo I D card. And just like that, both the real ugly maxwell and the real James statement ceased to .

exist through the course investigation. We came to believe that he had, in fact, killed robbert burberry maxwell so he could assume his identity. And that way he was able to get photo I D in bc, which he then used to get photo I D in Alberta.

He was able to get a social insurance number, he's able to get a passport, he's able to get a job where he could get paid under the name Robert berry max. And in his mind, he could do this. And the only way he could do IT is he knew the real Robert Robert maxwell all was dead.

By posing as robbert Robert maxwell, Jason statement built a kind of life in edmonton as a one man glass business. He dated Angel telephone, maybe murdered doing dem q and torched his car, and then quite possibly shed his opery maxwell identity like an old coat.

But who was Jason? How and where was Jason now? Was he back in washington? Jason's canadian and girlfriend? And Angel told the detector SHE thought Jason had gone anywhere but the united states.

He was always saying how we are. The states didn't go back to the states. He can speak spanish.

You could even go to mexico. Months passed with no sign of Jason anywhere in the united states. IT seemed likely he had indeed gone to mexico or somewhere else all this time. Jennifer Steven was totally unaware. SHE had no idea where Jason went when he flag washington three years earlier, and had no idea that he was once again on the run, that he was voted in canada from murder. So SHE was not prepared when her mother called her an early november two thousand and fifteen terrifying news.

SHE says, guess who was just here? I said, who she's like iraq's husband. He was just here at my house.

Tell me what that was like to here.

I was petrifying because I knew he .

had been .

gone for three to three years out of the blue. He shows up and with the threats he had made to take my daughter, that whole panic terr came back in full .

force because Jennifer's daughter, then six years old, was right there at her grandmother's house. And Jason had seen her talk door.

And he asked, you know who I am? And he says, no. He told her that he .

was down and he was there. He was talking to your daughter who used a, tried so hard to protect. yeah. What was that moment like for you?

As I share an other tair, I didn't think I can get home fast frame before he took her in my mind, he was there to take her, and there was nowhere was gna get home fast enough to save. I draw as fast as I can down a windy, narrow road from my work. IT was just like the life flash before my ice, like I need to save where I need to say where he's gonna take her, he's gonna go and .

my mom can stop him. He is just a little girl wouldn't know how to resist .

IT was here because I felt like my daughter was slipped through my fingers if I couldn't go home fast and up to go to saver, because all I know was he was there to take her from me. I made that eight minute drive, I think, can under five minutes.

By the time jennie got to her mother's house, Jason had left alone without her daughter. I to feel the year there.

I was very relevant. IT was like panick meets relief, but I was still panic at the same time. I couldn't turn the panic off, but I was relieved that he was still there. But yeah, I swept up trigger to the safest place I can think of in the quick time on a time.

But they were by no means safe. Jason was still out there somewhere that had just shown. He knew how to find them.

I got the U. S. Marshals on speed down there, like, no, we will be out there in less than five minutes.

We will contact to share. If they covered the town, couldn't find them. In the meantime, I was afraid to go home, and I didn't .

know where else to go as he had so many times before Jason had vanished, only to reappear three days later as the one spot where no one ever expected to fine them.

Six months that I ve been chasing, him chased down as fake ID to a possible second murder to a sneak border crossing to what where? Roberts, in a billow, we did not know, six months, and the trail was cold than ever. Jason statement, now south of the border and beyond their jurisdiction was gone, probably for good, great, possibly to mexico for all the you.

And then in mid november twenty fifteen, ryan Roberts son got a phone call from the U. S. Marshall in atto and he says.

you'll never believe who just walked in our door and turn himself in on his warrant Jason .

statement statement without smart U. S. Marshals, FBI agents, shero deputies and evaded capture in canada by fleeing on a jet ski, was now trying to pull off his greatest escape yet, ironically, by going back to prison when he skipped out on his probation three years earlier, a warrant was issued for his arrest as Jason stedman. So if he gave himself up and served a few months remaining on his sentence, he had be in the clear while the cops ran. And circles are looking for some guy, Robert, Robert x well, did he have any idea that the cops in canada were well aware of what he had done?

He had no idea. Our belief is that the only way to not be Robert robbery maxwell is to be Jason statement again and to be Jason statement again, he has to clear up his warrant. Then I can walk out. Jason statement of free man, no, wen's looking for me and we're off for a new life again.

IT wasn't until he was back in court for his residency that Jason learned his clever plan wasn't such a good idea. After all.

Kevin gray, the U. S. Marshall, stood up in court and he advised on the judge that he was wanted in canada on first degree murder warns. And the kim said all Jason dead was put his head down on the table in shakeri head.

That was the moment he realized.

That is when he knew that the game was up in canada that he was wanted for matter.

Interesting case. I mean, here's a guy who clearly thought that very carefully and probably thought he was very smart about IT, but done in by his own mistakes .

and that was what his problem was. He thought he was too smart for himself. He thought by leaving little piece of evidence in behind, such as the north face ball cap and the nive sheet um he thought that that would solidify everyone thinking that robbert burberry maxwell was the suspect .

there is repeating both bill away and Robertson thin statement left his knife chief and north face cap at revolution lamaison on purpose to make sure his aubry maxwell persona was connected to join dm cues murder and then step on would just go back to being as old self in washington state with no one the wiser and his plan probably what IT work. Except for one thing, if aubry .

maximum s DNA had never been in the data bank, we would have just got an unknown male number one DNA. We'd never be able to find aubry maxwell to get his DNA to confirm IT or nor would we even think to, because this guy's got legitimate government ID the passport, which is one of the hardest ideas to get. He's got all of that.

So we would probably be sitting here right now with a, with a warrant out for robbert Robert maxwell for murder and not no where is, if not for the fact that aubry maximus DNA was in the data bank. That's what turned the case at the end. That's what was his undoing.

Five months later, just after the long winter thought somewhere on the vast purry between events and calgary, a farmer was out walking the land with his .

dog and his dog came across skeleton ll remains um on the road side of the ditch and um when the medical examiner examined the skeletons remains um the DNA came back .

to join D Q carefully hidden just out out of the .

truck I think just .

dumped in the ditch and twins family finally had to let go of whatever server of hope was left though said his brother darn I myself I felt a sensor relief if how know but dance friend toya found no comfort in .

that because now, you know, he's one hundred percent dead and there was no hope left.

Six months later, in september twenty sixteen, Jason statement was turned over to canadian authorities, where he met with a string of detectives. There's some things that you need to explain here, wearing what appears to be an north face while cap in north face. But during the hours of questioning, statement said only this, I can't discuss anything with you.

I want to speak with my attack. Y IT was almost like a robot springing to life and then shutting down again. IT would take nearly three years of pretrial delays before doing dem cues. Friends and family will finally get a chance to find out why. Why did Jason statement kill doing dq?

When Jason statement was extradited back to canada, detectives, of course, that a lot of questions, they were hoping you can answer questions about the murder of going dq. I would like you to provide explanation why DNA was covered from an north facebook com found in a planner box the real revolution, the same location where doing them key was last seen life. You want answer that question.

He did not statement, refused to answer any questions about doing dem q. So detective switch course and started a line of questioning about Robert Robert maxwell, the real ones, that is, I worked for the vancouver police, and i'm here because i'm interested in the Robert, our remarkable situation. What happened to him, the sergeant wanted to know.

And how was its statement ended up? Assuming obi maxwell s. Identies, do you have an explanation of a where you, his idea, but true to form statement SAT frozen again, refusing to answer any questions put to him.

Just, Simon, did you hear what I had to say there? At one point, almost child like he closed desires as if he could make all this unpleasantness is just disappear in a wink. And I don't know if you when you close your eyes, if you're listening or if you're just meditating or what's going on there. Well, step and sad in jail, waiting to go on trial that detectives kept investigating and discovered the man has spent most of his time while on the run hiding out not in washington state, but in upstate new york. At his half brother Chris present department, who said he stedman, we hadn't seen a nearly a decade emails the mot of the blues then is like.

Going down my cool. Don't tell anybody. I'm fine though .

Chris said he had no idea his rather jam was on the run. Did he ever talk about the? No, I had no doubt just from the exchange is we had that he. Done and or but involved in end or you know the party to do, you know some probably felly.

What makes you say that just the way you know we talked about like the the rage in the seating in the and you know you don't know, you don't know the things have done. You don't know we're out there. You don't know i've seen did you ever going to tell any specifics?

No, no, if he did.

I tell you. But he said Jason did talk about hiding under a false identity. I'm like how to do that? Well, I know I got a fake, a idea from how on the dark lab IT was a fairy tail version of how Jason took over the identity of Robert Robert maxwell.

And when Chris later found out through news reports that Robert was missing, oh, he do, he said he knew what must have happened. 那么 也 you know not to not to make life， you know, I feel bad, I feel warm, and I honest, have, no, that has to just probably work. The only way do you find the body, guys? Yeah, you got to find a body.

Did you ever talk about anything we need? I like the subs. I'm sorry, I would think so. Okay, what do you say that just because, like subs, he likes her. Okay, detective brian Roberts, and though, has his own theories about what happened, the unfortunate robbert Robert maxwell thoughts, which he shared with this as we walk through the tough downtown each side of vancouver, the last home Robert ever knew, if home you can call IT, you're looking around here. What heard you about what actually happened next?

Well, because he's never been found and that's that's significant. I think that he probably was disposed of in such a way that we're not going to find them. And that's the only way that, that step can get away with this crime.

And it's a busy place.

How would you do that? Well, let me look at this area. We look around and there are lots of times when there's nobody in the if there is anybody walking by, they're certain ly not paying attention to what's happening up the ali and IT takes nothing. There's dusters like this in every ally in the downtown side, but IT would be pretty easy. Just puts body in the dumpster, close the lip every night they get empted.

So quite possibly just an landa somewhere. Yes.

yeah, that's probably our best guess. I will never find them.

And this day, investigators have yet to charge statement, or anyone else for that matter, for the presumed death of aubrey maxwell, but for murdering doing dq Jason, he did not give.

He said he didn't do IT, but processors at all the DNA and video evidence that said he did that he hit in a dumpster outside of revolution limasson and with that garber knife stab, joined to death when he left the building and then dumped wain's body off this gravel road and drove his car down to calgary, where he said IT on fire, later making his way back to edmonton and on the train. Motive, though, that was a tougher case, not the prosecutors needed to prove motive, but the ish tend to want to know. So when student went on trial and twenty nineteen prosecutors were stuck trying to explain to the jury the inexplicable.

So why are IT all so? Brian Robertson suspects the motive was what he thought all along, one of the oldest known to mankind. Why would he do IT? What was the motivation for this crime?

Well, he won't talk to us about anything. He never talk to us about anything. Our our belief this, the motivation was is Angel had broken up with him.

He had always dislike doing because Angel was such close friends with him. He often said the Angel that the reason that we can become closer is because you're still so close to doing. And so I think that in some narcissist way, he blames dawing for the failure of his relationship with Angel. And when he broke up with them, that was that. And he said his sites on on train that you.

there was so much evidence against statement and his altar egos. IT took nearly two months for the prosecution to present at all and all the wild doing dem cues. Friends and family were there in court, keeping a constant watch on the man who had taken his life and cause so much pain.

He just SAT there, like I was just any other Normal day. He didn't look concerned. He didn't said he didn't look anything.

He just was very .

neutral face, didn't he? Just SAT there. You had absolutely no emotion, like none.

like a narrow ist, a social path, a murder in to me he was, he's still have that minds that i'm still gona get away with this. But that did not happen. IT took the jury a little more than three hours to arrive at a verdict.

IT was a sense of relief for when he heard guilty. Or what a great feeling to hear that guilty verdict on first agree, murder being read. Guilty of first degree murder, guilty of arson for the car fire life in prison and no chance of parole for twenty five years, the maximum and canadian law, we contact them through their prison administration, but he declined a request for an interview. On the side of a gravel road between admins and and calgary, there is a simple but well tended memorial for the gentle man who was murdered for being nothing more than a caring friend to see pop back into your mind. Sometimes, of course, as you go on with your life.

of course.

Does he come to visit any particular way in your brain?

Oh, sorry.

that's okay.

I mean, I have pictures of doing in the house when we were on vacation and other time, so I see his pictures every day. But I mean. I do think about him a lot. He was really kind and supportive and just really a loving guy.

That's all for this edition of date line. I'll see you again thursday at ten, nine, central. And of course, i'll see each week night for N, B, C, nightly news. I'm later hold for all of us at nbc news.

Good night.

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