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I was tied up and tortured. These people almost murdered me.

I was pride. My mother is fighting for her child.

That's universal.

SHE survived a heroin hostage ordeal in one of the most dangerous places on earth.

Tonight they have brought me out .

to kill me. Then from across the world, her .

kidnap found her again.

Did you hard? stop.

IT was so scary that he could find me tonight.

For the first time, SHE shares her dramatic new story, how SHE helped secret asian ts hunt down her capture.

This all plays like a ton plastic filler.

absolutely.

The city, a perfect island paradise. The plot, a daring undercover stand.

You were supposed to get this one. We didn't think IT .

would work face to face with her kidnap.

At last I just broke down. It's still hard for you. This is real .

life like pain. S.

I got the courage in that moment and I said, i'm ready.

I'm letter hold. And this is deadline. Here's kate snow with the trap.

I, I man, I love you.

Imagine being the mother on the other end of this call.

You don't paid when million dollars for me. By one week they will kill me. Okay.

your daughter, a world away in the hands of kidnappers. Both mother and daughter, traumatized in their own ways by a call capture.

was your family and the family, I understand .

their stories are intertwined. A anda Linda.

my head is pulled back, and then there was assaracus knife .

and her mother, Linda store, did you keep IT together? I did.

I had to be strong for her.

Driven by strength, courage and endurance, these women would not only survive this ordeal, but their determination in a completely new chapter of their story would ultimately lead them to triumph over one of the men who had terrorized them so brutal and IT would take an elaborate international sting. IT sounds like something out of a movie.

IT does we always refer to this Operation is the hill mary play.

But before all of that, this story begins in a small town in western canada, where a Young woman named a Manda yearned for a world beyond her hometown.

One constant was that I wanted to be a world traveler, that I wanted to go to every country in the world.

AManda began to realize her dreams of seeing the world in the nineties. At nineteen, SHE was off to .

venezuelans are driving in the back of truck away from the villa of 同一 单， the town of santana. The whole world was wide open to me at that time.

So wide open, SHE kept moving, kept pushing forward, going from india .

to pakistan. IT did feel like a big deal to me, or something I really wanted to do. And then I did IT. And afghanistan is right next door.

Mom lada grew concerned, especially as her daughter track into active war zones. SHE tried to talk AManda out of those trips, but he says her daughter was headstrong. And the more AManda travelled, the more he began to see a .

path to something else would love to get the people that meeting .

SHE resolved to turn her wander list into a journalism career.

This is a mantling out. Press T, V.

Back that SHE wanted to get more experience, but also cover stories SHE cared about. You need to get out there and go somewhere where you can get break.

And also starting to look like a little bit further .

out onto the rise of how far one of the most dangerous places in the world.

one other stories are out there that I feel passionate about. At the top of my list was somalia.

AManda knew he had to tell her mother, Linda, about her plans. And you're thinking.

what I would really rather SHE didn't go.

Do you think maybe you were to use your mom's or .

a little headstrong? Yeah, I was headstrong. And I don't think that I had spent enough time thinking about what would happen if something .

did go wrong. Soon enough, he would find out just how wrong things could go on the plane into mogadishu. SHE members of fellow passenger turning to her and her colleague, nj. Bernon.

with a stern warning. He said to me, your head, your head alone is worth half a million dollars in mogadishu.

Be careful. As a mando left the airport, the capital city was out back at home, a man whose mother, Linda, worried about her daughter.

I just make sure every time I talk to her that I told her I loved her.

AManda managed to tamp down her nervousness and got to work on her third day in somalia. He was in a car with naja chasing a story.

The vehicle started to slow down, and I and I looked up. About a dozen armed man were emerging from where they had been hidden, all of them with A K forty seven. Next thing I knew, my door was open, and then I found myself lying face down in the dirt spreading go with a gun held to the back of my head.

terrifying.

I asked, is this about money? And he said to me, IT might be something like that.

All the way back in canada, her mother, Linda stopped hearing from her daughter. SHE began to fear the worst. SHE didn't want to be right, but he knew kidnappings were common in somalia.

You must have felt so helpless. I felt like we were so far apart and we didn't know where her daughter was.

I think I would have been a collapsed title on the form.

Well, I knew I .

couldn't.

I, I couldn't.

Linda reached out to canadian officials who told her this was in fact a kidnapping by islamic rebels, and they scrambled to set up a recording system in case the kidnappers called .

the next morning, my iphone, rain and IT was adam, who was negotiated for the kid offers.

Canadian investigators had Linda lead the negotiations, but what SHE couldn't know that was just how much terror the man who called himself adam would bring into her life.

There are two only to say, I don't want to buy any money otherwise to buy one million for your daughter.

When this adam called Linda on day four, he had a surprise.

Okay, what do you note, AManda? I love you tweet hard .

proof that AManda was a live.

After the first couple weeks, we realized if this mike go on for long than we .

hoped on the other side of the globe, AManda couldn't know how long he could be held, but fear the worst.

I was the only female in a group of about sixteen men. So there was a lot of .

scary thoughts. What do we .

come back? The danger and terror escalate tonight.

They had brought me out to kill me. AManda, AManda, stay strong. Stay strong home.

And later, a new twist .

cover agent create.

Can AManda help turn the tables on her captain?

My heart started pounding and I fell to my knees and I started crying in.

Nearly a month after being kidnapped one morning, the captain came for AManda and her colleague, nigel. They were taken out of their room and marched outside. There he was the man known as adam.

We were terrified, and a small video camera was brought out, and we were told to beg for our lives.

September seventeenth, two thousand eight, lda turned on the T. V, in canada and saw this. A hostage video on alza.

SHE was crushed. IT was the first time he had seen AManda and SHE didn't look good. What are you feeling as you watch IT?

I just want to bring your home. Never, never let her go.

Weeks turned to months, and then their capture separated AManda and niel. Why was that so important?

That day and of the days that followed um were among the very, very worst because suddenly i'm alone with my own thoughts and my mind AManda's .

mind ran wild SHE feared SHE would be raped. Then one day a capture entered her room IT turns out your fears were justified.

He did cross that line and and my worst fears were realized. And my whole experience in captivity really changed somehow.

SHE held on. And then one knife, AManda was just so awake and driven out into the desert alone. What happened next was terrifying.

They've brought me over two, and a case, a tree. They had me nail my head, is pulled back. And and then there was assaracus knife, the ruthless .

kidnappers told a desperate AManda SHE only had three minutes to plead for her life with her traumatized mother on the other end of the car.

You don't page one million dollars for me by one week. They will kill me OK tonight. They had brought me out to kill me. AManda, AManda, stay strong. Stay strong. gun.

That one call definitely made IT harder not to let my marginal and go.

Did you keep IT together?

I just felt like I had to, that I had to feed dog for her.

Canada does not pay ransom to kidnappers. So if Lorinda wanted to buy AMandas freedom, SHE was on her own, a world away in somalia. AManda and nigel, locked in separate rooms, had discovered something. If they each stood at their windows, they could hear each other. They began to hatch a plan.

and I don't alizay that we might have a chance to escape out that bathroom window, which at first seemed like an impossible idea.

Each time they use the bathroom, they chipped away at the murder, holding the bricks together, blocking the window. Then they would replace the loose bricks until one day the hall was big enough, and they made a break for IT.

From the moment that I dropped down out of that bathroom window and hit the sound below, I knew that I was bad.

They sprinted for a mosque, the one place where they thought they'd d be safe.

Right before we stepped in, I looked back and I saw one of our Young inside .

the mask. One person stepped forward to try and help AManda. Someone shall never forget.

IT was the first woman that I had seen and about five months. And when SHE hugging me and held on to me, IT was the first time in those five months that I felt something I came to being safe.

That feeling would be .

fleeting. I just lang on to her, and I started pouring out my heart to this woman. And SHE began pleading with my capture to let me go her .

please were ignored. The kidnappers circle AManda guns drawn, and began dragging her out .

of the that woman threw herself on top of me and was drug part way across the floor with me until SHE couldn't hang on anymore. And and right before they pulled me out the door of the moss, I looked back and I saw her on the floor. He had tears pouring down her face, and he still had her hands out stretch to help me.

You don't know whatever .

happened to that woman? No.

I don't. After the escape attempt, adam and the game clearly grew frustrated, and adam took IT out on Linda.

if I had the money, I would pay you. We are not playing games into you that are playing games.

game. You should see my game home. My game is the .

escape attempt made things much worse for AManda. They tired arms and your legs and pull your body up by ropes and leave you.

He had very hard for me to go back to that and think about what happened to me during those three days .

after that, adam forced her onto the phone again. It's one of the hardest calls to listen .

to 芭比 baby， 妈咪， baby, 妈咪妈咪， OK. And mom, 你是谁 的 作业 长 得 像 你看， 对不起， 痴迷。

The calls were organizing. The families of both AManda and Nicole, desperate to have their children home, eventually hired a private security company to help. Months went by, and one night AMandas capture came to her room.

They marched me outside and then had me sit down on the cement, and they produced a small saw and began saying, through the chains that have been on my ankles for ten months.

AManda and ni jl hadn't seen each other for months, but now they were thrown into the back seat of a car and driven into the dark somali night .

were both crying. Guns surround this car that were in, and I think this is IT. Then a man .

appeared at the cars window.

He says to me, why are you crying here? Talk to your mother. And he said to me, AManda, you're free.

AManda's mother, Linda, had never stopped negotiating, and adam had agreed to accept six hundred and eighty thousand dollars for both AManda and nigel. The captives flew out of soma and landed in a roby, kenya. They were wished away to a hospital. Mother and daughter finally reunited.

I barely recognized her. IT was relief. IT was joy, and IT was heart, heart to see her like that. I would not be here .

right now if I was not for my mother. My mom gave me life and SHE saved my life.

AManda, Linda was finally safe back with her family, but adam, the one who tormented them so much, wasn't finished with them yet. A single word from him would bring IT all .

back coming up. Did your .

heart stop?

IT was so scary that he could find me a facebook .

message from across the world and a daring undercover plan to catch a kidnapper. IT sounds like something .

out of a movie. We didn't .

think that would work .

when deadline continues.

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AManda Linda was back home in canada, struggling to move beyond the horrific events in somalia and trying to cope with the idea that the captain who so terrorized her might never be brought to justice. And as AManda tried to get her life back on track, there was an interruption.

I had enrolled in a university program in eastern canada, and IT was during a break between classes. I was checking, you know, my emails, and I saw that I had received a facebook message.

One word, hello, IT, was from the last person SHE ever wanted to hear from IT .

was a message from adam.

did you hard stop? IT was so .

scary that he could find me. And though I would say across the world and was at home, IT was really disarming.

that one simple message was about to launch a new and dangerous chapter of her story. The messages didn't stop there. Linda heard from adam m. Too, but her communication with him extended beyond hello out of the blue. You get this facebook message from adam and must have .

been shocking. IT was a total check, was kind of term to, because IT just felt like he was right in my space. IT and adam .

taunted Lorinda. He said he was reaching out because he had journals AManda had written in captivity, deeply personal writing that had helped her get through at all. What were you thinking .

when you replied back? I was hoping that I could get him to end and journals.

but if Lorinda wanted those precious journals, adam said sh'd have to pay for lyra. Da IT was outrageous. Her daughters kidnapper had tracked her down with more demands for cash. That's when he reached out once again to the royal canadian mounted police in ottawa. A staff sergeant named Larry Lauren got a call from his bosses.

We become aware that adam been in touch with her, and at that point my team was engaged to pursue that to the full extent.

A thirty year veteran, he ran priority undercover projects for the royal canadian and mounted police. His mission, find adam, if that was even his name. He reaches out on facebook, which means you have his facebook address right now. Do you kind of know where he is?

We know he is Simona. We know we suspect that he's using an alliance. So the principal course of action at that point is who is adam? And so to do that, we have to engage him directly. Who would undercover .

Operation and cover agreed, is going to start trying to get in touch that, yes, that's where this man comes in. He's a canadian investigator who we've agreed to refer to by his cover name A K right off the top. I just want to acknowledge we're hiding your identity. We've changed your look. Yes, that's because you're not correct.

A K reached out to .

adam first by phone. The undercover region told him he was a media consulting for a mad's family. AManda didn't know about A K or what he was doing. All he knew was that Adams s facebook messages had triggered some kind of investigation.

I didn't really know what was going on. I knew that there was the hope .

to catch this guy. A K, and adam communicated on and off for years. IT was slow work, but A K, kw, pushing too hard, could create the Operation. And patients paid off one day.

receive an email from him, which was A C copies of sixteen letters.

They looked like letters, but they were actually pages ripped from AManda's journals. Adam had originally asked for thousands of dollars for them, but now I call .

him up and I ask him about this and he says, yeah, i've sent you the letters. Um I don't need any money for our relationship to the point where he trust me enough now.

And then adam shared a new idea. He told A K he was a scholar and wanted to write a book, a history of somalia. As imposible as that sounds to investigators, IT was an unexpected gift, a way to get adam on the hook. You're telling a kidnapper who you believe was involved in this, a really major kidnapping and a lot of crimes, that you're going to help .

and publish a book? Yes.

IT sounds like something out of a movie IT.

Does we always refer to this, this Operation as the hill mary play? We didn't think that would work. And as I was continuing, we were surprised ourselves.

You didn't think he would actually say, yeah, I really want to write a book no, and i'm gona pursue this with no.

He had convinced himself that he he wanted to write this book and that he was able to write this book that you're in, that are in. We knew we wanted to talk to him and we looked, and we thought, okay, how are we going to move this forward? How are you going to gather evidence? Because that ultimately, that our goal, gathering the evidence in IT.

and maybe one day bring him to justice, money, fame, to AManda IT, was just the kind of bit that could trap her kidnapper.

IT totally fits in line with what I knew of this man. He struck me as the kind of guy whose ego was so big. Of course, if somebody told him he is capable writing about, he would think that .

the hail mary play was in motion. But investigators knew they needed more than phone calls and emails. Their next move, get adam to meet in person.

Coming up.

we need to see him. We need to see him to identify .

and fully a meeting in a perfect island paradise. Undercoverage and unsuspecting kidnap dangerously face to face.

Can you believe he's .

saying all this?

IT was amazing.

As the front for her kidnapper progressed, AManda continued to recover and heal. Part of that journey included sharing her story with the world. Four years after being freed, SHE released her in a house in the sky.

IT became a best seller in my own life. Friends, family, books club. People say to me, have you read this book? You've reached a lot of people.

Most people never be kidnapped, but people know pain and loss and adversity that they don't think that they can get through. And so what I feel people find in the pages is, you know, inspiration and a reminder that they are strong .

to her strength would become crucial to the Operation now under way. Investigators knew they had her kidnapper adam on the hook. They also knew that in order to get justice for AManda, they needed more than among distance conversations .

to see you to identify ly.

whose idea to meet face to face.

This is a imagine .

the opportunity to meet with one of AManda's kidnappers face to face. But we are in the world to do IT. Somalia, too dangerous. Canada, to risky.

How about paradise marcius? Four hours away from the kidnapper's homeland of somalia, this island gem with its pristine beaches, Crystal clear water, beautiful mountain vistas and luxury resorts. A K. Convinced the kidnapper that he would service his book agent and invited adam here to talk about the project. Adam lives in mode issue in in a really difficult place to live, and you're bringing him to place where europeans come on vacation.

I think what I did do, though was IT litin ed, my status as an international business person, somebody who had the means to get him what he wanted, which was essentially a book contract.

Adam took debate here. He is immaculate with A K. Did ever get nervous that adam was figuring out who you were?

I did initially, and then we were walking around the resort and he turned to me and he said, what did you think of me? And so I bottle them up a bit. I said, your english was great.

You've come a long way from such humble beginnings. And I turned IT back on him, and I said, what did you think of me? And he said, first, I thought you were intelligence, but now now we are brothers.

Against a backdrop of serene stillness and beauty, the brothers continued to talk and even relax. They each had something to gain in this face to face meeting. He had one objective of getting that book deal. And IT seems like you had one objective.

But we had definitely.

we had one objective. The objective was to see him confirmed that adam was indeed the man who had terrorized AManda and Lorena. Next, they wanted him to admit his involvement in the kidnapping. That's where the phony book deal came in.

We knew that he was interested in writing a book. We brought props, and one of them was a book cover that we had designed. And I was going to sign a contract with him that laid out he is in my relationship. Viv, the publisher.

The contract had a trap buried in IT. Adam would have to disclose any wrongdoing in his past.

had a special paragraph in that that we have insert IT and disclose a paragraph to encourage him to tell us his story.

He signed, and incredibly, he told his story, including details of his involvement in the kidnapping. Can you believe he's saying all this?

I said I was dancing and I was amazing. You couldn't ask for Better evidence.

He even described his role in one of AManda's worst days, that hostage video on alj zero.

I showed him a video that had air on L. G. zero. Television, and he pointed to himself as if he was really, really proud of this. He said, i'm the one to shot that video.

AManda vividly remembers that video. And adam that day.

adam was now manning and setting the stage for this video. I would say there was a great deal of excitement among all of them that they were were going to be doing this little video and, you know, in their mind, because get attention, getting attention and money.

In meritis, investigators accomplish two big things. They're identified adam as the kidnapper and got him to admit his crimes. But after all that work, IT still wasn't enough to arrest adam. Marian law prohibited A K from recording the confession, so you have no video or audio of what he saying.

No correct investigators .

wanted to have the strongest evidence they could against adam in order to prosecute him under canadian law. You're leaving vicious with the success, but you need more. How did you feel when you left here?

conflicted?

You're leaving him, watching him go back to somalia?

yeah. IT was as as investigators. We succeeded in getting the evidence. We succeeded in getting the identity. We had to let him go like a catch .

release program in .

order to catch adam and bring him to justice. They were hoping they could lure him even farther from home, a place where they could control the setting all the way to canada. But how on earth would they convince adam to do that? And how long would that take? Well, you want justice. This is dragging on for years.

And as the years passed, I started to think the likelihood of that would diminish.

Coming up. Investigators set a trap.

IT played out like a movie. I answered the .

phone and my heart started pounding when deadline .

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AManda lin, how new investigators were doing their best to bring her kidnapper to justice, and he did her best to help them.

Every couple of months I would have in person visits with R. C. M. P. And during these meetings, they could never tell me very much, but enough to give me at least a little bit of confidence that they might be able to pull this off.

A K, and his team considered the undercover Operation in maritima success. But IT wasn't enough. They wanted to get a madest kidnapper to confess his crimes on canadian soil. Why did you need them to go to add?

We didn't want him to be arrested overseas, so we wanted them in the country so we could deal with them in the most efficient way possible.

In order to grab adam in canada, they had to get him there. A K truly had to convince him the fake book deal was real. So he thinks you are his book agent.

my book agent. So we had now got to the point where he was going to the publisher. So IT was my job then to send him a plane ticket, which is difficult to do. If you want to fly somebody out of somalia.

Difficult would be an understatement. As IT turned out, you're going to bring an international kidnapper into canada, correct? That doesn't sound easy.

What the dichotomy of IT is that we're usually in the business of keeping terrorists outside the country.

Ordinating and planning an itinerary for a kidnap would take time and threaten the Operation. Once again. A K played the long game.

I keep on putting them off, saying, we will be meeting with the publisher soon. And then at one point, I had to fake a heart attack.

I'm sorry.

you had to fake a hard to the hard sex a, and that was the way we were able to put them off for a while.

Yeah, in real life, you are actually doing other cases. Finally, after years of hard work and delays for AManda and her mother, everything was in place and ada was on a plane to canada.

He arrives at the airport in ottawa, and he comes in, there's big huggs. And we sit down and we talk about the impending book deal, the publishing deal that is about to be signed.

Adam was looking forward to a different kind of future. Little did he know that is precisely what he would get out of this deal.

I go into the room with out of, first we have a broom set up for a meeting, and then the book publish, arrives, knocks on the door, comes on in human hair, allegedly, old friends.

You're actually both other coverages.

And then we we have a bit of chitchat and then we sit down and we go over the contract. And adam, as we had done in russia, he goes over everything that he's done. So the negotiating in people.

I am IT played out like a movie. IT was excEllent. He's actually .

confessing to you his crime. Yes.

so after the three months, then you, but as far as I understand, from when the indian man had told me you were still the person on the phone.

yes, I working. I want to get .

the benefit right. You were supposed get, yes, someone, yes. Know how much?

I don't know.

But I was even more than after .

that meeting. You walk out. Yes.

we sign the contract. Everybody's very happy. We were walking out because I had told him we were going for a tour of ottawa, but that didn't happen.

You were both arrested. You were arrested too, because you're still undercover.

Yeah, form police. Hank offers both.

I like, that must have been totally shock.

He was. You could see in his face that he, he was clear, really thrown by this. And I had to play up puno.

Get your hands off my client. What you're doing here? This is ridiculous.

And they handcuff us, both let us off in different directions. I went for beer. He went to jail.

IT had been seven years since AManda. Linda had been chained in a squid cell in somalia, terrorized and tortured by her kidnappers for four hundred and sixty days now adam was in chained himself. AManda was home when he got the news.

I answered the phone and I was home alone, and my heart started pounding and he said, we've arrested adam, and I fell to my knees and I started crying. And the next year woke up in IT was my thirty fourth birthday. And on the front page of every newspaper in canada was his face, a face that I hadn't seen in over five years.

I came in rate after, and he was crying. And I think he was saying, they gotten, got him, they got at.

And what were your feelings?

I was crying, and I couldn't even speak. And .

immediately my mind went to what there is going to be a trial, and I will have to testify in that trial. And the weight of that, and what that really meant to me and would mean to my life, became real.

coming up face to face with her capture.

At last he was crying. He was upset.

I was so afraid to see this man again. What would .

happen inside that courtroom? I wondered.

R if I could do IT.

As unlikely as IT may have seemed, authorities had their man in the kidnapping of a mandolin out, and they got him. In canada, the royal canadian mounted police announced Adams capture to the world.

This arrest is a testament to the investigative team's perseverance, and I wish to thank them for their excEllent work.

With the investigation over, IT would now be up to AManda herself to keep at on behind bars. IT would take everything he had to do IT.

I'm going to have to testify. I am going to have to face this .

man in court.

You to see him. yeah.

Before that could happen, AManda would have to assist the prosecution team in building its case against the kidnap.

A group of us would meet every couple of months for two and a half years. Wow, it's exhAusting. IT was exhAusting.

This was such a difficult story for me that there was so still so much real active trauma in the telling of this story, and I just so appreciated the time that they took with me, guiding me through the process. And as the trial date was getting closer, I can't even say that I became easier. The idea facing him caused me a lot of pain.

Craft Michael son was the land prosecutor. What were the biggest chAllenges?

One was the magnitude of the file, my recollection, where there more than seven hundred emails between A. K. And adam alone, the second chAllenge was, are the witnesses actually going to be able to testify .

the man known to AManda and Lorena for so long as adam was actually a forty year old somali national named ali omar a. He pleaded not guilty to the kidnapping on october fifth twenty seventeen. The trial began in the kidnapping of a mandolin house.

Date line was with her that morning as SHE made her way to the courthouse. What was going through your head? What are you worried .

about in those moments before entering the courtroom, I wondered if I could do IT. I was so afraid to see this man again invited me with the thought of seeing his face. But I gathered myself um I needed to do that as much for myself as anything I just .

saw you gather yourself just there when you set IT it's still .

hard for you IT is I expect IT always will be you this this is real life like pain. And then the doors opened, and I walked into the courtroom, and adam was sitting directly in front of me, and I kind of crumbled.

Now came the moment for AManda to testify against her kidnapper. Can you describe IT for me?

He was crying. He was upset, he was afraid, and then SHE swang her head over and SHE looked at adam in the box and SHE stopped crying and gave a look like, I would never won anyone looking at me like that. What kind of a look? IT was a firm resolve seeing .

him sitting across for me as a prisoner in that box. That was also the truth. Now it's a reversal exactly. And he looked so small, in a way, sitting in that box.

In her testimony, AManda spoke openly about how adam terrorized her. He was understand for one long day.

Okay, why now of them for the motion?

But her mom, Linda, spent three days in court listening to the phone, cause that would prove crucial to the case.

I am not lying to you. You do not want a Manda to be home, because if you want, you should pay the money.

So again.

you have to relieve IT. Yeah, that was empower. The truth was being told. And there there was a small part of me that actually felt sorry for him.

compassion for him.

The Adams defense was that he himself had been taken hostage, and they had thread him.

In the end, his defense didn't work. The man known as Adams was found of kidnapping for his crimes. He was sentenced to fifteen years in a canadian prison.

Victory for AManda Linda AManda read a victim's impact statement at sentencing SHE addressed adam. I am the victim. I am also the survivor, he said.

I am the one who will go out and live the lessons of this. I choose to lean into the lesson and chAllenge of finding forgiveness, compassion and peace. Those words bringing to a close not one, but two improbable stories. AManda, Linda kidnapping and the years spent in pursuit of justice, ten years of your life.

ten years, yeah, five years for the end, the cover Operation, ten years in total until conviction worth IT.

absolutely. He's sitting in prison right now in this country. Do you think about that ever?

It's just as, but I don't take joy in any suffering of any a human being.

Have you forgiven adam?

I can't say yes or no to that question because it's not a forgiving, because adam deserves to be forgiven. But I deserve to have the freedom in my life. I've not being full of that anger all the time and keep pointing my feet towards forgiveness.

That's all for now. I'm less or hot. Thanks for joining us.

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