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here as always. We've got a big week ahead of us. It's Holy Week, I should point out, for the Christians among us. A happy, blessed Holy Week to you. I got a chance this weekend. I'm Catholic, so we had Palm Sunday Mass this weekend. I read at my church, which I enjoy doing, and they asked me to read as the narrator for The Passion this weekend.
And on Sunday morning, for whatever reason, I decided I was gonna do a deltoid workout, just work the shoulders. So I was working the shoulders like crazy on my jacked up fitness machine. And then by the time we get to church,
On Sunday, I've got to process in carrying the gospel with with the priest and the altar servers. And what I didn't realize is that they weren't taking a straight shot from the back of the church to the altar this weekend. Instead, they took this meandering tour all the way through the church. It was a big procession that just kept going. And I just I just do what I'm told. I just follow the guys in front of me.
Well, I realized, and you're supposed to hold the gospel up as you're walking. I realized about halfway through, I was like, man, that shoulder work got absolutely crushed me. And so the gospel starts lowering. I'm like, not today, not today. You got to keep that bad boy up. My wife, of course, is watching all of this from the pew and was laughing, thinking,
I think that shoulder work I got to him today. Anyway, made my way to the altar. It was an awesome mass. What an honor to be a part of that. That was really great. I hope you're having a very, again, blessed holy week for those who observe it. And great as always to have you with us today. I've got a really big show ahead today. We're going to dive into these documents of these terrorists and would-be terrorists who continue to commit attacks on the United States. I've got
Details that you probably haven't seen yet. I'm going to share those with you coming up. Also, we'll take a close look at some of the lies the press has been telling this weekend about the president's tariff operation. The president trying to clarify all of that. I'll help clarify all of that coming up.
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So here's a – this weekend we had a number of attacks that took place, would-be attacks and one that definitely took place against the governor of Pennsylvania, Governor Josh Shapiro. I want to get into that and who this attacker is and what his motivations may have been. But I want to start with what should have probably been much bigger news coming out of the weekend. There was legacy media who did offer –
some tepid coverage of this, but it is really worth exploring quite a bit. Another young man who was dedicated to attempting to assassinate President Trump and, if he could pull it off, Vice President J.D. Vance.
That's right. Is a 17 year old from Wisconsin by the name of Nikita Kassab, authorities say, who is already charged in the deaths of his mother and his father, killing them earlier this year, his stepfather's mother and his stepfather, killing them earlier this year, all part of a bigger plan to assassinate the president of the United States.
I want to start with just a clip here. This is a media clip explaining some of the basics, definitely not all of them. Take a look at this. Cut one. Here we go. Tonight, 17-year-old Nikita Kassip, already charged with the chilling double murder of his Wisconsin parents, now in the FBI's crosshairs, for investigators believe plotting to kill President Donald Trump, according to newly unsealed federal court documents.
This FBI affidavit saying authorities found in the teen's phone a manifesto calling for the assassination of the president of the United States in order to foment a political revolution and promote white supremacy, along with materials linking him to a neo-Nazi extremist group.
Investigators writing Kasap in messages with someone said he planned to use a drone in the attack that would drop a bomb with nuts, bolts, needles and then flee to Ukraine. The affidavit stating Kasap had paid for at least in part a drone and explosives and was communicating with someone with a Ukrainian number. It did not say where or when he allegedly planned to target the president.
This after, back in late February, local authorities during a welfare check found the teen's parents shot to death in the family home. The affidavit saying the couple had been dead for roughly two weeks and Cassip living in the home with their bodies, then fleeing before he was arrested in Kansas. Investigators writing the killing of his parents appeared to be an effort to obtain the financial means and autonomy necessary to carry out his plan.
Yeah, to carry out his plan. So he kills his parents, allegedly, in February, murders them in cold blood, and then takes their belongings, that would be their money, their identification, the guns, the car, and begins to drive halfway across the country,
They say with the family dog. We haven't really got much update on what happened to the dog, but he was traveling and getting away. And what ends up happening is the stepfather's mother, the grandmother, is trying to reach her family. She can't reach anybody. And eventually...
uh, you know, makes a call to authorities to do a wellness check, to check up on the family, to see, Hey, Hey, is everything okay? When cops arrive at the house, they determine, no, everything's not okay. They go through the garage and that's when they begin discovering the bodies of the dead parents, the kid gone, the car gone, the money gone, the dog gone. And so they put out a bulletin saying that the vehicle has been stolen.
And they're able to very quickly at that point put it out so that authorities are able to see the kid, stop him in the street, and that's when they take him into custody. Since then, they've learned a lot that this was all part of a bigger plan, apparently, to assassinate the president of the United States. And that's where I want to direct your attention to the—
to the affidavit itself. So inside of the affidavit is a lot of fascinating information. You heard that NBC report a moment ago saying that the guy was in communication with others
Others, that's kind of nondescript. Let me be more descriptive. He was in touch with people from the Russia-Ukraine region, apparently, specifically someone who had a Ukrainian cell phone number who was communicating with him and helping him to orchestrate his would-be assassination attempt against the president of the United States, Donald Trump. Let me go now, let me show you some of this affidavit.
So here on page five, they say that there was a search of his cell phones. And on the cell phones, they were able to find material related to something called the order of nine angles, the order of nine angles, otherwise known as 09A.
The Order of Nine Angles is a satanic organization known for, quote, accelerationism. Accelerationism is essentially a radical ideology that various groups have.
which is we need to plummet society into chaos. There is no fixing current society. We need to accelerate directly into revolution. We need to basically make things as chaotic as humanly possible to burn it all down. That's what they're into. That's what this guy is into. And it's a satanic group, the order of nine angles.
that he's affiliated with. And yes, he's affiliated with white supremacy. And as you go down this affidavit, what you're learning is that these guys see President Trump as an impediment to their goals. They want to destroy President Trump. They want to get rid of him. They say in this document that their politicians in America are Jewish controlled, that President Trump is Jewish controlled. Therefore, the entire system needs to be taken down.
This is the deranged thinking that's animating this guy. Additionally, on page seven of this affidavit, there's a conversation he's having with a guy with the Ukrainian number. And in it, they discuss how Russia is going to get the blame for the assassination attempt. Look at this. What country do you think will get the blame for this? Unknown. Russia will be blamed for it. This is the goal.
It says this is the goal. This is directly from the affidavit from the FBI affidavit saying that the point of all of this chaos is to try and induce more anger at Russia, presumably right here in the United States of America. Additionally, on page eight, they say that Trump's assassination is intended to save the white race from Jewish controlled politicians right here.
that he called for the assassination of the president in order to foment a political revolution in the United States and, quote, save the white race from Jewish-controlled politicians. The document goes on to show images of Adolf Hitler with text referring to hailing Hitler, hail the white race, hail victory, it says.
And then there's excerpts here that further emphasize that they say the Jews control all of the white countries, they insist. And then they go on to say that Trump getting rid of him and perhaps Vice President Harris is guaranteed to deliver the chaos that they want. And it will further bring into the public the idea that assassination is accelerating the collapse are possible things to do. Now, remember what we talked about last week.
What is the broader left's view on the subject of assassination right now? Well, quite unfortunately, a survey at the beginning of last week done in partnership with Rutgers University determined that 55 percent of American leftists, people who consider themselves on the center left or beyond to the more radical left, think that a political assassination of President Trump would be excusable, would be justifiable.
Nearly half of all people in the same category think that a political assassination of Elon Musk would again be justifiable. Things are getting really crazy. And this guy genuinely wanted to carry out that cruel act of assassination for the purpose of bringing the system down, for bringing the system down. That was the goal. Further, the affidavit here found that the means by which this guy was intending to do it
was the use of a drone. FBI personnel performing a preliminary review saw an image with information on how to utilize a drone as an attack drone. The information contained directions on how to extend the range of the attack drone by using repeater drones and ways to avoid detection, such as making a drone from a kit rather than a commercial off-the-shelf brand. The instructions provided directions on how to use a small dropper from the drone itself to drop an explosive or a Molotov cocktail or a very strong topical poison.
Additionally, to avoid detection, the instructions advised to not bring a cell phone. They didn't want this guy getting caught as they encouraged him over and over and over again. The FBI performing the review saw a telegram message with a guy who I can't even pronounce whatever this is, who writes in Cyrillic and has a Ukrainian mobile telephone number. In the conversation, the suspect, the accelerationist suspect here,
Said, how long will I need to hide before I will be moved to Ukraine? One to two months, question mark? You see here he was planning on trying, assassinating President Trump and possibly J.D. Vance. And then getting moved to Ukraine is the assumption he was operating under. Also, I probably should brush up on my Russian because I can understand just fine, but speaking is harder, he says.
So while in Ukraine, I'll be able to get a normal job, he's asking for assurances here, and have a normal life, even when it's found out I did it. And then hauntingly, he also refers to 10 other people, 10 other people. So do the other 10 people also have similar beliefs to I, or are they different? This is a reference to his belief that 10 other people will also simultaneously be committing chaotic terror attacks, presumably in the United States.
So that's – those are his questions about that. And then finally, the FBI on page 13 of this document says that he had already begun to get his plans underway.
They say he wrote a manifesto calling for the assassination of the president. He was in touch with other parties about his plan to kill the president, that would be the Ukrainian cell phone number, and to overthrow the government of the United States. And he paid for, at least in part, a drone and explosives to be used as a weapon of mass destruction to commit an attack.
The killing of his parents appeared to be a part of an effort to obtain the financial means and the autonomy necessary to carry out his plan. Other parties with whom Kassab was in contact appear to have been aware of his plan and actions and to have provided assistance to Kassab in carrying them out. All right. So that's the affidavit right now. That's what we know from the affidavit from the FBI about this 17-year-old's operations.
Kills his parents, steals the money, is in communications with the Ukrainian cell phone number, is planning on assassinating the president of the United States through some sort of drone attack, which let me emphasize for a moment.
You've heard Dan Bongino talk about this in the past. I've talked about this extensively. The drone vulnerability portion is something that the government has been very concerned about. And as is probably evident by now, the Trump administration has done a lot to try and up armor drones.
the security perimeter around the president to prevent those very types of attacks. It's the kind of thing that keeps security professionals up at night, that kind of 3D space drone attack that could take place. And remember, ahead of Inauguration Day, you remember that big Chinese-owned drone company, DJI, what they did? Remember, DJI is the largest manufacturer of drones in the United States, of commercially available drones.
And they're not in the United States. They sell in the United States, but they're made in China. And those drones had previously been restricted from flying into restricted US airspace. So if you put one of those drones up in the air, you wouldn't be able to fly them into restricted US airspace before the inauguration. But just ahead of the inauguration, as it was arriving, and as China, of course, was angry about President Trump's return to the Oval Office, and we can see why they might be angry about that now,
as he actually takes it to them and tries to rebalance global trade around US priorities and not China priorities. Ahead of the inauguration, they got rid of all of those restrictions on DJI drones.
So the most commercially sold drone in the United States, the Chinese-built DJI drones, could now fly into restricted airspace. And the only thing that the user would get would be a warning saying, well, you're now flying in restricted U.S. airspace. And so if you're a law-abiding citizen, if you're the kind of person who's like, oh, I don't want to do that, well, the warning would serve its purpose because you would turn the thing around. But if you're a law-abiding citizen,
But if you are looking to commit a crime with one of those drones or to menace, say, even an airplane as it's taking off or landing or try to commit a terror attack of some kind, you think the warning that says, hey, you're about to break U.S. law is going to preclude you from doing that? Well, hell no. By definition, criminals don't care what the laws are. They just seek to commit their violent acts, their illegal acts.
So this is a really important component to that, the fact that this guy, this 17-year-old, was being urged to use a drone to commit this type of attack. It is good that the feds caught him. It's –
It's insanity, but also it's yet another sign that we have some very dangerous ideologies right here in the United States that are animating people to attempt to do or perhaps even do in some cases very violent things. And this is not, I should point out, the first time we've seen a Trump assassination attempt linked to somebody in Ukraine.
We saw it with Ryan Ruth. We saw it with the guy who was camped outside of the golf course in Florida, right on the perimeter, who was looking to gun down President Trump as he came by in a round of golf. Luckily, a Secret Service agent seeing him, although...
Amazingly, the Secret Service agent opened fire and the reports indicate that he missed from very close range over and over and over again. I still don't feel like we have any good answers as to why that occurred. The guy gets away. Eventually, thanks to a good Samaritan nearby who saw the license plate in the getaway vehicle, cops were able to stop the guy, take him into custody. And we found out since then he's a full-blown Ukrainian. He was trying to obtain weapons from Ukraine to attack President Trump.
So how is it that Ukraine keeps getting lumped in to subsequent Trump assassination attempts? That's probably worth more exploration. In a moment, I want to take a look at another guy who committed a terror attack this weekend. This time,
successfully so, on the governor of Pennsylvania, the emerging details about that guy, what might have motivated him, and how, again, the left has really breathed life into some very dangerous characters in the United States. And it doesn't look like it's stopping anytime soon. More on that in just a moment as Vince continues. Hey.
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All right. How's the chat feeling today? How's everybody feeling in the Rumble.com slash Vince live chat today? It is wild what we're seeing here. Just these guys.
These attackers who continue to wage violence against the United States, all these lefties, completely out of control. A lot of American flags showing up. Feeling great, says Mr. Hankey. The talking poo. Kmart feeling great. Feeling good, sir. Great. Woot, woot. A lot of good reactions coming in. I'm telling you, I know you know this by now. This is the best damn audience in all of media. It really is.
Unreal. Thank you, guys. Woohoo. Great. Lots of pictures of major, lots of American flags. Makes me feel good on a Monday. American flags and major. OK, so we have we have a guy who's trying to lead an attack on Trump. Luckily, authorities get a hold of him. Now we have another attack to look at.
This weekend, there was an attack on the governor's mansion, the Pennsylvania governor, Josh Shapiro. Josh Shapiro is a Jewish man. His family was observing the Passover this weekend. And in the midst of these observances, they go to bed for the night. And a man is able to breach the perimeter of the property, smash his way into the governor's mansion.
and then throw at least two Molotov cocktails filled with gasoline, Heineken bottles filled with gasoline inside of the residence. And let me, I wanna take you through some of the audio here first, some of the video here. Here is Governor Josh Shapiro giving us a brief yesterday, Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro on some of the basics of what he knew in those early hours. Take a look. - Laurie and I are overwhelmed
by the prayers and the messages of support that we've received from all across Pennsylvania and all across the United States. We've heard from our fellow governors and first spouses. We've heard from several of the former governors of Pennsylvania. We've heard from so many friends and loved ones. And we've heard from so many caring citizens of this great Commonwealth. I want you all to know that your prayers lift us up.
And in this moment of darkness, we are choosing to see light. We appreciate the light that you have shined upon us.
Mm-hmm. Outpourings of concern and support for Governor Shapiro in light of the fact that his whole family was in there, his wife and his kids, as the house was on fire. Luckily, state police, which – who protect the governor of Pennsylvania, were able to get into the house and begin banging on the doors to alert the family to get out in the midst of the fire. And this is –
I want to show you just some of the photos here of the damage, if I could. Take a look here. This is just pictures of the immense damage from this attack.
You're looking here. It looks like the dining room. There's still decorations up apparently from the Passover celebration that they were having. This is what they refer to as the piano room. Just a genuinely horrific fire attack. Yeah, and here you have a little sign that says Passover crafts. Help yourself to some kid-friendly Passover crafts. So they had a party at the governor's mansion earlier the day before to mark the Passover. And
you had this really, really grotesque attack. Okay. So here's what we know. The guy's a 38-year-old man, a 38-year-old man, they say, who was arrested in the attack here. Now, his name is Cody Balmer.
And according to social media posts that are already available to take a look at, you know how this happens, like Internet sleuths instantly start looking for these guys. Bad hombre on X posted that he's a Harrisburg man accused of attempting to burn down the Pennsylvania governor's mansion. He referred to himself as a registered socialist.
Look here, he says, I'm a registered socialist. This is somebody four years ago. So presumably this would have been in the wake of the 2020 election. He's saying I'm a registered socialist. So I had gotten about 27 mail-in ballots, he claims. I got to vote for everyone twice and vote none of the above in person, plus casting a vote for my favorite cartoonists.
Okay, so whatever that means, 27 mail-in ballots. I'd like a little bit more, some more answers on that particular thing. But beyond that, he refers to himself as a registered socialist, and he says he rejects both political parties. But that's another way of saying that he's a radical leftist, a radical leftist who just staged a very violent attack on the governor of Pennsylvania.
and used Molotov cocktails to do it. Now, this is where the affidavit comes into play. I want to share that with you because I think this is very relevant here. What's inside this affidavit? Here we go. Take a look. Here is the affidavit. They say Pennsylvania State Police this weekend, yesterday, were advised of a fire that occurred at the governor's residence.
They learned that numerous security cameras had captured footage depicting an individual forcing entry into the residence and intentionally igniting the fire. Governor Josh Shapiro and First Lady Lori Shapiro were inside the residence at the time, as well as some additional guests and staff members. Video footage was obtained from the security cameras, and what they found was that Cody Balmer, the suspect, was observed climbing over an exterior perimeter fence,
The defendant was observed wearing a black snap-on jacket, black boots, and carrying a bag. The defendant approached the piano room windows on the south side of the governor's residence. Think of this. So you have state police protecting the mansion. Nobody sees this guy. He jumps the fence. He comes up to the piano room of the mansion, and then he broke an exterior window. He then threw an incendiary device into the residence through the broken window.
And then after he threw the device, flames were observed on the interior of the residence. Now, that would be presumably the Heineken bottle filled with gasoline. The defendant then moved to an adjacent window and again broke the glass. The defendant proceeded through the broken window and then entered the residence. This guy got into the building. Once inside, the defendant deployed a secondary incendiary device in the dining room, resulting in additional areas of the residence catching fire, and then approached the dining room exit.
Additional footage captured by surveillance cameras at this location made it apparent that the defendant was wearing two different colored gloves, one orange, one yellow. He kicked the dining room door open and then exited the residence. He was observed leaving the property the same direction that he had entered. So then they continue a subsequent investigation here and then talk about the way that he left. He had gloves he disposed of in a trash can. They found the gloves. They smelled of gasoline.
During the investigation, they said the cops in Harrisburg were contacted by a female who said that her ex-boyfriend, Cody Balmer, was the individual responsible for the attack, was the individual responsible. So this then subsequently he goes and turns himself into state troopers. And then he says he was responsible for the fire in the midst of this.
He admitted to harboring hatred towards Governor Shapiro. He explained that he took gasoline out of a lawnmower, poured it into Heineken bottles, and then walked for an hour from his own residence to the governor's residence with the intention of conducting this attack. He knew it was likely that there will be people inside of the home. He also admitted that had he encountered Governor Shapiro, he would have beaten him with a hammer, he said, with the hammer that he used to break the window.
Balmer also advised that after leaving the governor's residence, he returned to his own home where he removed his clothing worn during the commission of these attacks.
And so there you go. So these are the details here from this guy, which is that he had a hatred for Governor Josh Shapiro. He's referred to himself as a registered socialist on social media. He had Molotov cocktails with him that he used to attack the governor's mansion. And I should also point out that he has previously posted to social media that
that pictures of Molotov cocktails in a favorable way. These are not, as I go through everything here, as I go through these multiple assassins or would-be assassins, arsonists, terrorists, what I'm describing is not a conservative Christian American with moderate sensibilities who's looking to restore order to the country. These are agents of chaos. These are people who are looking to bring about the collapse of our system.
and looking to use very violent means to do it. So again, as you hear the media characterizations of all of this coming out of the weekend, I have to tell you, I think it's always so much more worthwhile to dig into the details. And here we are staring at the affidavits of two suspects committing two very violent attacks. One of them was full-blown Satanist looking to kill President Trump in the service of attacking so-called Jewish controlled politicians.
And then separately, on the very same weekend, you've got a guy who – a registered socialist who just attacked a Jewish governor in the midst of the Passover because he said he hated Governor Josh Shapiro. Presumably we'll find out hopefully more about this guy's demented motives very soon. But just again, whatever the motives here are.
The left has been breathing life into this type of violence and justifying it to the point that unfortunately majorities of the left now believe that political assassinations are a legitimate redress – a legitimate way to redress their grievances. And we've reached absurd, absurd levels.
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One other document story that I want to dwell on for a moment is that the FBI has just produced under Kash Patel and Dan Bongino has just produced a massive trove of never before seen information about the Trump Russia collusion hoax, how it all got started, who were the key players in the background, who were the people who were saying, what are we doing? This is crazy.
For more on all of this, I want to bring in my next guest. Jerry Dunleavy is here. He is an excellent reporter with Just the News. He's been in the game for a while, man. He's very good at what he does. Jerry Dunleavy is on the show. Hello, Jerry. Good to have you with us, sir. Good to be here, Vince. It's nice to talk to you here on the video chat. Hey, you've been digging in here. Let's just start with the basics. Why are these documents just emerging now? That is a great question, Vince. So,
Part of the problem here is that President Trump sought to declassify a lot of these records near the end of his presidency, his first term back in January of 2021. And he was thwarted by his own Justice Department and FBI at the last minute. So that effort to declassify these crossfire hurricane records was blocked by his own DOJ. And then, of course, you
Then of course you had four years of the Biden DOJ. Can I ask, before you go on, let me just ask one thing, just based on what you now have seen. Was there any good national security reason to block those documents from being released in the first term? No. No, so it was entirely a political cover-up operation to block those documents?
Look, I think that some DOJ and FBI officials took advantage of the fact that it was the final moments of Trump's first term. They took advantage of that fact to throw up some last minute roadblocks to make sure
these documents four years ago. Okay, so then the Biden people never released them because the last thing they want is transparency on this issue. And so Trump is back in office and he's ordered a lot of transparency initiatives, including on the Crossfire Hurricane documents. To whom were the documents turned over?
Yeah, so Trump made his declassification order again last month, essentially saying, you know that thing I tried to do January 19th, January 20th, 2021? Mm-hmm.
the House Judiciary Committee and others. And we at Just the News got our hands on those documents pretty quickly. And then we made them public ourselves so that everybody can read them. Yeah. Okay. So give me some top lines here in terms of what you discovered in the documents. So one thing that I will say is that we did learn some new information. However,
some things are still redacted that I think probably shouldn't be. That being said, we did learn some new interesting facts here. Stefan Halper, who was one of the FBI's confidential human sources, whom the FBI used to go after the Trump campaign in 2016. So everybody knows about Christopher Steele and the Steele dossier and how the FBI used that
baseless nonsense to target the Trump campaign to obtain FISA warrants and even used it in the intelligence community assessment on Russian meddling in the 2016 election. Not many people know about Stefan Halper. So he was an FBI confidential human source person.
And the FBI used him in 2016 to they wired him up to approach members of the Trump campaign to try to get them to say something that the FBI could then use to advance their investigation further.
But one of the things that we learned here is that Stefan Helper, when he met with the FBI, made some allegations about Mike Flynn and an event that Flynn had been at back in 2014 when he was Obama's director of the DIA. Yes.
And Halper basically made these claims that Mike Flynn left this meeting with, you know, someone maybe connected to the Russians and various all this stuff. So.
We have new information about how there was no evidence of that. The FBI knew there was no evidence of that. However, the FBI used that as part of their justification to investigate Mike Flynn. Now, this investigation of Mike Flynn never turned up anything.
One of the FBI agents leading the investigation of Mike Flynn said there's nothing to any of this. And yet the FBI kept this going. In fact, Peter Strzok stopped the Flynn investigation from closing right at the last second so that the FBI could then go and interview him for a perjury trap.
early in the Trump administration. But what we learned now about the FBI's review of Stefan Alper is that in 2017, after all of this nonsense and all of this stuff on Flynn came up short,
The FBI did a validation review of Stefan Halper as a confidential human source and recommended that he continue being used, that Stefan Halper is great. He's a great source. He's given us incredible information. Despite the fact that he found nothing, the FBI recommended continuing to use him. And we know-
And over the life of their relationship with this guy, they paid him, what, $1.2 million? Is that right? We also found buried in these documents that the FBI over decades gave this guy $1.2 million in
including close to $100,000 in this relevant time period, this 2016 and early 2017 time. Okay, so I want to dwell on Mike Flynn for a moment. So you're saying that the seminal piece of information about why the government claims it was looking into Mike Flynn was predicated on a hoax?
That Stefan Halpern – it was garbage that Flynn hadn't wandered off with some Russian agent at an event. And yet the FBI used that as the basis to investigate the director of national intelligence, the incoming national security advisor to the president of the United States. And one last piece here, and then I'll let you comment on all of it.
Isn't wasn't Mike Flynn hated inside of the Obama administration in particular because he wanted to be a reformer for the Intel community? Yes. Mike Flynn had become quite unpopular during the Obama admin because of problems. So inside of the DIC. Absolutely. And yeah, I mean, look, these claims that Stefan Helper made basically what the FBI was doing was looking for any thin reed that they could.
to open up investigations on people until they could maybe get something. And that's this, this, uh, claim from Stefan Halper was one of the very thin reads that the FBI used and the FBI agents who were looking into this. One of them was an FBI agent named William Barnett. And he looked into this, concluded there's no, they're there. He can't,
All this pollution clue and said that there was sort of a get Trump operation within within the FBI. Yeah, to the stuff on Flynn. But they kept the investigation on Flynn open long enough. And then, as you know, Comey kind of.
sort of generated this surprise interview of Flynn early in the Trump admin that they essentially used as a, uh, you know, a perjury trap. They were thinking about going after on the Logan ad. They tried to perjury trap him. And, and as, as, uh, as information later came out, it even turned out that, that some of the stuff that they were claiming that Flynn had had said and therefore lied about actually really stuck.
said that. And so, you know, this was all just sort of an effort to use whatever they were throwing against the wall. It was a smear operation to hurt a critic of the intel community who was about to break up the very cabal that was used against him, which is really cruel. So you mentioned James Comey. I feel like there was a revelation in here. We had some information before about this, but I was really, I really wanted, I dwelled on it this weekend a lot after reading your coverage, which is that
When the intelligence community put its assessment together about the Trump-Russia collusion claims –
James Comey wanted to prominently feature the Steele dossier in the main document. He wanted to use that as a central piece of evidence for why Trump deserved to be investigated. James Comey did. Meanwhile, the NSA director at the time, a guy called Mike Rogers, very few people talk about him. And I remember I thought about him so much ever since then because he always seemed like the guy who was the only voice of reason that I'm aware of in the room.
He was the one that was like, what are we doing? Why are we putting the Steele dossier in the main intelligence document? That's insane to me. Tell us more about that. Yeah. So the Steele dossier for which they never were able to corroborate anything of substance from it. I mean, the –
The only information in the dossier that had anything factual about it was stuff that Steele clearly just pulled from like public sources. There's one item that I always remember when I think about the Steele dossier. In the dossier, he claims that
something happened at the Russian consulate in Miami. This is a claim he makes. There is no Russian consulate in Miami. So on its face, you have a single piece of information right away that demonstrates that everything else in that document is suspect. And nobody ever talks about that component, which is like, there were lies that were obvious if you just read the document.
Correct. Correct. It was full of massive problems just on a cursory read of it, obviously. And the FBI was never able to substantiate a single actual substantive thing. These claims that he was making of a conspiracy between Trump and the Russians, there was no, there was no, there was nothing to it. The FBI knew it at the time as they got, when they got the dossier, as they deployed the dossier to use in FISA warrants,
As they continue to use the dossier into 2017, as they brought on Steele's main source, Igor Danchenko, and kept him on for years and paid him huge sums of money.
And they knew it when Comey tried to use the dossier in the intelligence community assessment of Russia's alleged meddling in the 2016 election. Comey wanted to put it in the wanted to put the dossier in the body of this intelligence community assessment. He got pushback from NSA director Mike Rogers. And the compromise that they came to was including the dossier in an
an annex to the to the intelligence community assessment. Now, another thing about Mike Rogers that we found in these documents is we found the interview that Mike Rogers did with Mueller's team. And something key about that is he was asked directly about a Washington Post story about
from May 2017, a Washington Post story that was among the Washington Post stories that won the Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting. A Pulitzer Prize, by the way, that Trump is suing the Pulitzer Board for defamation over. Yeah.
Mike Rogers is asked about that Washington Post story a month after the Washington Post story was published. And Mike Rogers says that it was bunk. And Mike Rogers would know because this was a story that was about a phone call that Trump had with Rogers. And Rogers basically said this entire crux of this story about what Trump told me, about what Trump told me to do.
The story is not true. And so that's a Pulitzer Prize winning story that we now know the main subject of, shot down. That he said it was fake news, that he said it was fake news. Okay, finally, just a quick tour down memory lane with Mike Rogers. I need to emphasize something here. Mike Rogers in 2016, after the election, after the election, after President Trump wins the election, he went and he paid a visit to President Trump in Trump Tower.
And it became the source of some real drama in the Obama administration because James Clapper, who was the director of national intelligence at the time, and Ash Carter, who was the secretary of defense, wanted him fired over this. They didn't want Mike Rogers, the national security advisor, visiting – excuse me, the head of the NSA –
visiting President Trump. And so he did, he made that visit. Interestingly, I'd love to know what their conversation was like at the time, but he kept the NSA director on until 2018. Mike Rogers continued to work for Trump after he got into office until 2018. I think, Jerry, and I just want to get your perception on this, that this is one of the most fertile and unexplored areas in the entire Trump-Russia collusion saga.
I agree. I think that I think that Admiral Rogers has more to share and maybe I mean, hopefully one day he he does. One thing that I will note about about him is.
is so he pushed back on including the dossier in the intelligence community assessment. He shot down this Trump-Russia collusion, Washington Post story, this Pulitzer Prize winning story. And one thing that he also did, so the intelligence community assessment that came out in January 2017, about 2016, the Russian, Russia's alleged meddling in that election, a series of conclusions about what the intelligence community believed the Russians had done and
One of the conclusions that the other intelligence agencies came to was that they were very certain about why Putin had done what he did and that he did it because he wanted Trump to win. But the NSA under Mike Rogers was not as certain about that. They diverged from the rest of the IC, from John Brennan and from James Comey. The NSA was not as certain.
about why Putin had done some of the things that he had done in '16.
And I think that that, you know, that actually makes sense when you look at all of this stuff together. You look at the potential that the Steele dossier was not just a sort of a Democratic playbook, but also had Russian disinformation injected into it to hurt Trump. Funded by Hillary Clinton. Funded by Clinton, but I think...
potentially there have been a lot of revelations about the potential that Russian disinformation may have also been injected into the dossier. I mean, Chris Steele was working for a, you know, a Russian oligarch at the exact same time as he was putting the dossier together. And so, yeah, Admiral Rogers and the NSA, they were not they were not as certain about sort of
Putin's intentions in 2016 as the rest of the island. All right. Well, Jerry Dunleavy, congratulations again for all your excellent reporting over at Just the News. You're doing fantastic. And I'm very grateful for your time today. And I just want to say, I know you're eager for that interview, too, but I'm putting out an open invitation right now to Admiral Mike Rogers. If he ever wants to come out of hiding and do an interview, I'm all ears, baby. I'd love to chat with you, sir. Thank you very much, Jerry. Good to talk to you today.
Good to talk to you and congrats on the show, Vince. We're all very excited. Thank you. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. This is Jerry Dunleavy, Just the News. A great operation there. Spent the weekend digging through a lot of really important records to try and get to the bottom of a very important story. What the hell happened to our country?
And who sold us out? A lot more information coming out on that. Hey, one more story that I wanna dive into with you right now, which is over the weekend, you saw a number of headlines suggesting that President Trump had carved out some sort of exemption for China when it came to cell phones, electronics. And President Trump wants you to know that is horse crap that there was an exemption made this weekend
President Trump himself posted to Truth Social this weekend that there was no exemption made. Take a look at this. Here's the president saying nobody is getting off the hook for unfair trade balances and non-monetary tariff barriers. The other countries are
that other countries have used against us, especially not China, which by far treats us the worst. There was no tariff exception announced on Friday. These products are already subject to an existing 20% fentanyl tariff, and they're just moving to a different tariff bucket. The fake news knows this, but refuses to report it. We're taking a look at semiconductors and the whole electronic supply chain, he says. So he's emphasizing that
Not only is it fake that he's getting rid of the tariffs, they have a 20% tariff there, yet all of these categories of products are still being reviewed for more tariffs.
Going forward, that's the message that the president wants you to hear, that there was no flip flop this weekend. For more on this, I want to show you Stephen Miller, the president's one of the president's top advisers. Here he is, Stephen Miller, explaining very carefully this weekend what actually occurred. Pay attention to this. You were targeting specific items from day one. Walk us through these exemptions, Stephen, and what they mean.
Yes, this is just another great example of how President Trump had a detailed plan from the beginning that's being executed exactly as directed. And unfortunately, some in the media are deliberately misportraying that plan. The original 20 percent AEPA, that's the International Emergency Economic Powers Act for China poisoning our citizens with fentanyl.
That 20% rate is and continues to be applied to all imports from China. When the president issued his reciprocal tariffs, our government at the time specifically said that chips and semiconductors, which are critical components of our national security, were going to be dealt with through a separate commerce authority known as a 232. That was always the plan because those components are so... Okay, here's what I want you to say.
So that particular thing where he says this was in the original order from the White House. This isn't new. These exemptions were originally put in here. Take a look at this. I just went right to the original order. This is from April 2nd.
And it says the following goods as set forth in Annex 2 to this order consistent with the law shall not be subject to the ad valorem rates of duty under this order. In other words, shall not be subject to the reciprocal tariffs. And it goes on to say that it's anything in Annex 2, including copper, pharmaceuticals, semiconductors, lumber articles, certain critical minerals, and energy and energy products.
That's in the original statement. This is not a new development that semiconductors will not be subject to the reciprocal tariffs. That is super critical here. Okay, let's listen more to Stephen Miller. Our government at the time specifically said that chips and semiconductors, which are critical components of our national security, were going to be dealt with through a separate commerce authority known as a 232.
That was always the plan because those components are so essential to our national security. We need to have a separate process for dealing with how to reshore those essential industries. When the tariff rate went up to the full rate of 125 on top of the 20, it was necessary to publish a more detailed list from Customs and Border Protection explaining the rates and how they're applied.
There are no exemptions. Everyone pays at least the 20 percent. These particular components are being put through a separate process controlled by the Department of Commerce, which is the 232. So this is a sophisticated, elegant, detailed plan to deal with Chinese economic aggression against the United States. One other piece here. The situation, the exemptions that he's referring to are not just for China, not just for China.
So take a look at this. This is from the New York Times this weekend. They admit the electronics exemptions apply to all countries, not just China. So this is not a situation where President Trump is somehow going easy on China right now, or he's backing off, or he's capitulating, or he's scared, he's running away, or he's losing a game of chicken. None of those things are happening.
He's he's applying the tariffs exactly as he announced on April 2nd. And China is locking horns with us. China, you see some reporting over the weekend. They're trying to cut us off from rare earth minerals. But again, if if this show does anything, I want it to be really clear. I bring receipts. I've got the documents. I've got the facts. I've got the context. I've got the information. I'm telling you what the legacy press is not.
By and large, with limited exceptions. Look where this appears in the New York Times piece. It's way down in this piece. How many paragraphs down before you get there? Way down in this piece. These are things. So the media, they run in these sort of like funhouse mirror interpretation of events where they distort it beyond recognition. I'm here to tell you there's a truth, and I'm also here to dig for it.
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