Here's The Plan To END Trafficking In The US (w/ Tom Homan) | Episode 54
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Hey there, welcome to Vince on a Friday. Great to have you with us. Just got done a huge conversation with the border czar, Tom Holman. He's a busy man. He couldn't exactly do it live. So we just concluded it a moment ago. You're going to be watching that here during the program. Can't wait to share that with you. And a lot of really, really fascinating information going on in terms of the Trump administration's effort to conduct the mass deportations that you voted for.

You wanted mass deportations? They're delivering mass deportations. A lot of aggression going on behind the scenes. We'll explore some of what we've learned. And of course, you'll hear from Tom Holman himself coming up on the program. Great to have you with us as always. If you're listening on the podcast, you can watch the show live. That's at rumble.com.

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Deporting violent illegals from the country, prioritizing them, wonderful, love seeing that. Love seeing the ICE agents, HSI, FBI showing up and making these big arrests, really important. But we have...

Such anger about the way our government has treated us, such disgust with the tyranny of especially the Biden administration, but the establishment in Washington that we have very high standards for what we consider success. Very high standards. And those standards include we want genuine mass deportations going on.

When you're the president of the United States say that he believes that there are 20 million illegals in the United States allowed in by Joe Biden. What you want to see are 20 million deportations. Get everybody out. If you're not supposed to be here, leave and let's get you out of here.

And inside of the Trump administration, they are clearly thinking the same thing that you are, which is we have to increase the pace. We've got to get more and more people out more aggressively. Now, earlier this week, there was an Axios report that kind of indicated that something was going on. They claimed that Stephen Miller and Kristi Noem are trying to accelerate the pace of deportations.

that they're not satisfied with merely a thousand a day. They want to get up to 3000 a day as a minimum for deportations in the United States.

And Stephen Miller would go on after that. He appeared on Fox to give more information about this, what he actually wants. Here's Stephen Miller confirming, cut one, Stephen Miller confirming he wants to get to a minimum of 3,000 deportations a day. Take a look. Yes. Well, under President Trump's leadership, we are looking to set a

a goal of a minimum of 3,000 arrests for ICE every day. And President Trump is going to keep pushing to get that number up higher each and every single day so we can get all of the Biden illegals that were flooded into our country for four years out of our country. And we can't take the risk of...

of letting these Biden illegals roam around freely so that the next American daughter can get raped, the next American kid can get murdered, the next American family can get splintered and torn apart by people that came into this country unchecked, uncontrolled, unvetted, uninvited by the American people.

Minimum 3000. And you heard him use a phrase there I haven't heard before, Biden illegals. That's how he is identifying all of the people who came in with a big assist from the people who controlled the Biden administration, the auto pen presidency. Biden illegals being imported into the country

And he's saying it's time to get them all out. Three thousand a day. That's the minimum that he'd like to shoot for. Coming up, I'm going to talk to Tom Homan. You'll hear from Tom Homan on where the numbers are right now and where he would like to see things. Homan is in lockstep here with Stephen Miller trying to get all of this footage.

Under control. And there's something interesting going on at ICE specifically that you should know about. Apparently, there are a number of reports in the last 24 hours that there are ICE officials who are leaving some of the top ICE officials who are on the way out.

The Washington Post had an iteration of this. Take a look here. Stand by. Let me pull this up for you. The Washington Post had this, that Trump, the Trump administration is shaking up ICE leadership as it struggles to ramp up deportations. That's the Washington Post's version of events.

They say that ICE is shaking up the leadership. Robert Hammer is the acting head of Homeland Security Investigations, that's HSI, and has been reassigned four months after taking charge of the Department of Homeland Security's investigative arm, the agency said Thursday. In addition, a fellow called Kenneth Genolo, who has been acting chief of enforcement and removal operations, is now headed for retirement, is now headed for retirement. So...

What we're seeing here, the Washington Post has a report like this. The New York Times also has a report on this subject. What we're seeing here is there are some changes right now taking place in immigrations and customs enforcement. Now, if you would ask me at the beginning of this week, are you happy with the direction the Trump administration is going on border enforcement and deportations?

Absolutely. There is no question that I am so much more grateful for where we are now versus where we were under Biden. What a dramatic improvement this has been. Every violent illegal they get out of the country, wonderful. Every time they're figuring out ways to outmaneuver these sanctuary cities and deport these violent illegals, people come into the country multiple times, these felons get them out of the country,

Excellent. Every time I see a deportation flight head to El Salvador, putting prisoners, violent gangsters behind bars. Excellent. Excellent. But the but the administration standards here are as high as yours are. In other words, it's not enough. They want more.

They want more. President Trump wants more. Stephen Miller, who is a primary architect here, the primary architect for the president's deportation strategy to get control of our nation's borders again.

Dissatisfied, dissatisfied. So you get the initial reporting earlier this week that he and Kristi Noem are confronting deportation officials saying we need more, go faster. And then you get them going on television confirming, yes, I do want those numbers to be a lot higher. And then you see these reports. Yeah, now ICE is churning out some of that leadership. This is all in service of why President Trump was reelected in the first place.

Clean up our country, get these people out and do it quickly. Now, there are signs all over the place that these guys are doing the work. We get especially out of Florida. Florida has been a huge partner here with getting people out of the country. We have these images coming into us now.

from Homeland Security's investigations Tampa, they just did a massive, massive worksite enforcement down in Florida. And you can see it looks like these are kind of illegal workers that are being rounded up. Not all of them are going to be illegal, of course, but what they've got

are these, this worksite enforcement going on to just get people out of the country, to just get people out. And you've got arrests being made. Now, this is what needs to happen. Going to worksites, holding employers accountable, by the way, who hire illegal aliens, charging them appropriately with violations of the law.

and of course, deporting people who are here illegally. So this has got to be a part of it. This has to be a part of it. And this sends a huge message. If you're doing actual deportations, if you're actually going to work sites, if you're actually banging on doors, if you're actually grabbing illegals off the streets, getting them out of the country, that will increase what we know as self-deportations. Self-deportations are when people say, I don't want the heat. I'd like to be able to come back to the country. I'd like to get out now, please.

And in fact, this morning on my ex account, I just want to share with you this is something that I found, which is this self-deportation fact sheet. I adore this thing that the Trump administration ICE has put out. And it says here, if you're illegally present in the United States, you don't have to and you shouldn't wait for ICE to arrest you. Instead, you can leave on your own terms. It's a this is like this, like a helpful little pamphlet.

And they say, look, self-deportation, that's the way to get out. If you're here for any period of time, not just recent arrivals, if you've been here for 50 years, but you're here illegally, you're illegally present in the country. It's self-explanatory. So you should consider self-deportation. It would make your life a lot easier. You can get to leave on your own terms. You don't have to wait to go back to your home country.

You know, you don't you don't necessarily even have to go back to your home country. You can go right back to wherever you want to go. Just get out of here. It's like closing time. You don't have to go home, but you can't stay here and you won't have a chance. If we arrest you, the Trump administration says you won't have a chance to gather your belongings or say goodbye. If ICE arrests you. Finally, if you don't self-support, it's not a matter of whether ICE is going to find you. It's a matter of when.

Thousands of federal law enforcement officials are working together to find illegally present aliens. And it's not just ICE that's doing this. It is HSI and it is the FBI. Do you know how many FBI jackets I've seen at all of these worksite enforcements and at all of these deportation events, showing up outside of jails, taking illegals into custody? The FBI has made this one of their primary missions. And the reason for that is because it's one of President Trump's

primary missions. What a change of pace where you get an FBI that actually fulfills the vision of the chief executive because that's what the voters want. And it involves enforcing the law against people who have broken our laws. So the deportation story continues and you do have people within the administration who'd like to see it move even faster, even faster.

Now, that said, there are lefties who are trying to block deportation or trying to get in the way. And this just happened outside of a Manhattan courthouse on Wednesday where a bunch of lefties tried to block deportation. So they F-A-ed and this video shows they also F-O-ed. Look.

Dozens of people arrested outside immigration court in Manhattan tonight, hours after ICE agents detained several people in its field office. This comes a week after a Bronx high school student was arrested by ICE. Ali Bauman has more.

You will be placed under arrest on the charge of disorderly conduct. Protests erupted into chaos Wednesday night outside the Federal Immigration Court in Soho. Officers and crowds clashing over barricades. About two dozen protesters taken into custody for charges that include obstruction of government administration. People say, oh, let them come in legally. And when they try to come in legally and follow the corporate proceedings, they're being kidnapped. They're being kidnapped.

Look, the left is desperate to try and find a sob story in the midst of all of this, and they have failed spectacularly. They've gone all in on defending MS-13 gangsters, for instance. That's why they keep sending people down to El Salvador to throw little pebbles at the jailhouse window of Kilmar Abrego Garcia. Kilmar, Kilmar, come out.

Come out, can Kilmar come out to play? No, Kilmar can't come out to play. Kilmar's MS-13, Kilmar's locked up and for good reason and he's out of our country now. The wife beating human trafficking gangster is no longer here, no longer here. So the left desperately clawing here for some sort of victim that they can use to justify the continued chaos that's been going on inside of our borders.

And I'm glad that you got guys like Tom Holman and President Trump and Stephen Miller and Kristi Noem. They're all saying, to hell with that. We're deporting people. We're deporting people. We're getting them out of the country. And we're not falling for your sob stories. We're not falling for the media's garbage on this subject.

And so nearly out of the video you just saw or the audio you just heard, nearly two dozen people outside of that Manhattan courthouse who were trying to cause trouble for immigration and customs enforcement, trying to block them from doing their jobs. Two dozen people were arrested outside of that Manhattan courthouse. Authorities pepper spraying them, the lunatics, the rioters, making arrests both inside and outside of the courthouse.

The protesters you saw in that video were pushing and pulling on the metal gates. They got bound up by zip ties. They arrested them. They cuffed them with zip ties. You don't want to be zip cuffed. You don't want to be cuffed at all. And these guys get cuffed. They were dragged off the street by their hands and their feet. Law enforcement officers restoring order in New York this week, all taken into custody and by extension charged.

They were blocking traffic. They were told numerous times, get out of the road, get out of the way. They didn't. So they F8 and then they F out. That's that's what's happening. Also, some of these illegals who were rounding up are being so brazen. They're making threats, including to the president of the United States and Republicans.

Tom Holman says that's not going to stand. Take a look at what Tom Holman had to tell Fox this week about an illegal alien who threatened the life of the president for deporting people. Here he is in cut three. He's being detained. He'll be removed. I mean, he's exactly the priority that President Trump has life folks in his mind.

Yeah.

You see the picture of that guy? Guy looks like Wario. That's right. The evil Mario. There he is. What an idiot. Threatens the president of the United States. This doesn't end well in any scenario for him. Gets charged, imprisoned here in the United States. Then after he's done with that, deported. Yeah, that's not going to go well at all for him. So Wario facing all sorts of consequences for his actions. He's also finding out how this is going to go.

This is very, very good news going on as these guys are actually enforcing the law. Thankful, thankful for that. One other big piece here that we need to give you an update on. I've been telling you about child trafficking and how it's been such a problem in the United States. The Biden administration under...

the Department of Health and Human Services, if you can believe it, they were trafficking human beings at horrific levels, children into the United States of America. And this was an open goal of the administration. You had cabinet officials who were bragging about it, all the kids that they were bringing into the United States.

And so many, many, many children have gone completely missing in the United States, victims of both human trafficking, sex trafficking, slave trafficking, forced labor conditions brought into the United States of America. And right now, the Trump administration is undertaking welfare checks on every last kid they can find in the United States.

Here is an update from Homeland Security on the subject. They write that many of the unaccompanied children who came across the border are victims of smugglers and sex traffickers. DHS is right now leading efforts to conduct welfare checks on these children to ensure that they're safe and not being exploited. These welfare checks have resulted in arrests of some sponsors of these unaccompanied minors. And as a result, the children have been placed in the Office of Refugee Resettlement Services.

custody. So the very same office that was used to traffic them into the country in the first place now managed by President Trump and ultimately, ultimately, President Trump and RFK Jr. is now taking care of these children, now protecting them from the evildoers. Homeland Security points out, for instance, there's a guy called Adelso Garcia Martinez. There's his mugshot.

he's a wanted fugitive for attempted aggravated homicide from guatemala so guatemala issued a warrant for his arrest on february of 2021 three months before he even entered the united states but despite that he was allowed in the biden administration was aware this is how horrific this crap is

The Biden administration was aware of his charges for attempted aggravated homicide, yet he was still approved to be a sponsor for this 14-year-old in 2023. He was arrested this May, just days ago, May 13th of 2025, taken into custody as a result of the Trump administration getting a hold of him. Wanted for attempted homicide.

and yet allowed to take custody of a child who was trafficked into the United States. This is what the Trump administration is tackling. These are the horrors that they're resolving right now. So how is the left covering this? Well, predictably.

The New York Times has a piece up on this subject claiming that this is causing a chill. It's stirring fear among migrants. Stirring fear among migrants? What could, what migrants would be fearful in this scenario? Checks on migrant children by Homeland Security agents stir fear. Agents are showing up unannounced to interview minors in what the government calls wellness checks. They put it in air quotes as if it's

As if it's not really a wellness check. Critics see the visits as part of the immigration crackdown. Well, sure, supporters see the visits as a part of the immigration crackdown. We should crack down on illegals who are abusing children in the United States. The Times goes on to say that for more than a decade, unaccompanied children fleeing hardship have journeyed north from Central America and then crossed the Mexico-U.S. border. Many of them have been allowed to stay in the United States. Wrongly.

and the government has spared most of them the full weight of immigration enforcement. Wrongly. Under the Trump administration, more of those children are coming face to face with federal agents. Yes, somebody who will actually see whether or not they're being abused and rescue them. They say from New York to Hawaii, agents have been showing up unannounced at schools, homes, migrant shelters to interview the children. Let me just once again emphasize, as the New York Times tries to scare people, this is what I voted for. I don't care where the children are from.

They are human beings. They don't deserve to be abused. They don't deserve to be tortured. They don't deserve to be enslaved. They deserve to be saved and kept healthy. The Trump administration is actually rescuing these kids from horrific circumstances. And the Times is dressing this up as some sort of sin to rescue them.

The Trump administration has called these surprise visits wellness checks intended to ensure that the children are enrolled in school and being properly cared for. But the agents conducting the visits are not social workers or child welfare specialists, nor are they labor inspectors or truant officers. Rather, they're primarily from Homeland Security Investigations, a specialized unit of ICE that combats drug and weapon smuggling, cyber crimes, and financial crimes. Well, no kidding.

Why wouldn't they be involved in this? They're trying to stop criminality, the abuse of these kids. Federal agents arrived unannounced at two Los Angeles elementary schools last month. They were turned away. Why were they turned away? Why would you, you disgusting humans, why would you turn away people who are there to protect these kids?

So that's how the New York Times represents all of this. In case you're wondering why everything is run through a distortion filter on the left, well, there's the distortion filter, the Times, deceiving people about what's going on.

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Hey, good morning. Thanks for having me. Let's just start with the big border mission. What are the top line numbers that you're looking at right now in terms of how you're measuring your success? Well, look, the border right now, we got the most secure border in the history of this nation. It's even better than Trump 45. And the data proves it. I mean, we went from highs of, you know, almost 15,000 a day under Joe Biden. And yesterday, I haven't got today's number yet, but yesterday's number was 211.

So we went from, you know, 10 to 15,000 to 211 across the entire southwest border. That's the lowest numbers I've seen in my, you know, 40-year-plus career. And the gotaways went from 1,800 a day. The gotaways running are right around 35, you know, from 1,800.

But the most impressive stat is those released into the United States. I think so far this, since President Trump's been in office, we had a total of nine that were released from the border. And only one of them was discretionary release. Four were material witnesses. We wanted them here to testify in a trial.

Four were when they crossed the border, such a significant medical decline. We had to call an ambulance. So we had to deal with their medical issues. We had to let them in and deal with them because they're that bad off. And then they'll be returned. But only one discretionary release out of, and that was for a humanitarian issue, I believe it was some sort of medical transplant issue. Anyways, so that was one release since President Trump's been in the Oval Office. The same time period during Joe Biden, we had almost 200,000.

released compared to one so we have the most secure border in the in the history of this nation right now so the numbers the data proves it what about in terms of drugs you and i have talked many times through the years and one issue that kept coming up is there were so many people crossing the border that the cartels knew that they could send massive quantities of drugs over uh easily um what are we encountering in terms of of stopping the drugs coming across

- They're seasoned narcotics, but the true measure is the amount of overdose deaths from fentanyl, which has declined at a great price. So it's hard to measure, are we seizing a lot compared to the Biden administration? With every board of agents on the line, we're seizing a higher percentage of it, but we're not seeing the drugs we saw during the Biden administration. Matter of fact, intelligence reports

that I've read says that the cartels are actually looking at the European market now because they're known to having trouble in the United States, especially on the southern border. Now, there are some recent intelligence reports saying that some of the cartels are going to try to operate out of Canada and come to the Canadian border. We haven't seen that come to fruition yet, but look, they're always going to change their method of operation.

in response to what we're doing on the border, but the fentanyl overdoses have declined at a great number. So it's obviously have an impact. And I said from day one, if you have a secure border, you're gonna be, you can see less sex trafficking.

of women and children. You're going to see less drugs that are killing Americans. You're going to have less illegal aliens dying. I mean, under Joe Biden, we had over 4,000 aliens died making this journey. That number has greatly decreased. So secure border saves lives, and we're proving it. On the child trafficking story, the New York Times this week has a report claiming that the Trump administration is now making wellness checks of children all across the country who came in as so-called unaccompanied minors

Their interpretation of events is that it's stirring up fear among the immigrant community. But tell us what's going on here, because I know that RFK Jr. mentioned in one of the cabinet meetings that HHS quite unfortunately became the vector for one of the biggest human trafficking operations in history under Joe Biden. What is the Trump administration doing now about these kids who went missing in America?

Well, Secretary Kennedy is exactly right. I mean, under the Biden administration, you had over half a million, half a million children were smuggled in this country, you know, taken out of the hands of their families, put in the hands of criminal cartels, for God's sakes.

to be smuggled in this country, many times delivered to the very people who paid for the smuggling. And which conspiracy to smuggle aliens is a felony. But Joe Biden, you know, his administration turned a blind eye to it. Then they went to check in on him and they couldn't get response from over 300,000 of them. So I said from day one, the Trump administration, when he brought me back as a border czar, he said, "I want you to secure the border. I want you to run the big deportation operation. I want you to lead the effort, find these children."

And last number, I think we're at over 8,000 children that we have found. Many of them were with family members, which was a great story, right? But many of them weren't. I mean, one example is two weeks ago, I was briefed on one case where a 14-year-old girl they found living with two adult males.

not related to her, and she was already pregnant. She was a victim of sex trafficking. So we rescued her. So, you know, and there's been many we've rescued. So this is about finding children and rescuing those that were in forced labor or forced sex trafficking. We know for a fact HSI has investigations in children in forced labor at meatpacking plants and factories and chicken farms, not going to school, but forced into labor. We know many are forced into prostitution.

But as we're going out, we're not going to rest until we find every one of them. If they're with their families safe, then we'll do immigration consequences. But our first priority right now is to save children who are living a life of hell every day. And that's exactly what we're doing. It shouldn't instill fear in anybody.

Unless they got a problem, they got an illegal usher in the country illegally. It shouldn't scare anybody unless you're a child trafficker or forcing a child into labor. So we're not going to let the media shy us away from this very important task. I tell you, based on 40 years of me doing this job, I guarantee you, and we've already seen it,

Some of these children are waking up every day, living a life of hell because they're in forced labor, forced sex trafficking. We need to save these children. And the media and the left is not going to stop us from doing that.

Let's talk about the effort to deport illegals from the country. I know Stephen Miller, who you work very closely with, has been talking about that he wants to get up to 3000 deportations a day right now. Where are we? Where are the deportation numbers on a daily basis right now? And where would you like to see it at?

Well, I've said, you know, if you've seen my interviews the last, you know, three months, I've been very clear. I'm happy with the border. Got a little bit more work to do. But as far as the interior operations, our numbers are much better than Joe Biden. I guess that's a good thing. But Joe Biden wasn't doing much. So I'm not really impressed that we're doing more. We need to do a hell of a lot more. So I've been pushing for more arrests in the interior. I said, we got to do more. We got to do better. Because you got over 600,000 illegal aliens in this country with criminal convictions walking the streets of this country.

So resting 1,000 a day is not enough. So right now, the numbers on the test this morning were about 1,500. And we need to double that. And I agree with Steve Miller 100%. Like Steve Miller, guy's brilliant. He's the architect. And it's an honor to work with him. And I agree with him. And I agree with Secretary Christian Ohm. We got to have more. So, you know, it's not going to be hard to do.

I mean, we're gonna have over a thousand at-large teams, a thousand teams, which is much more than we had a month ago. We've increased targeting and we're flooding the zone of sanctuary cities. Sanctuary cities, they put roadblocks up, right? Rather than one agent arresting one criminal alien in a jail, they release them. Now I gotta send a whole team, five or six people to go arrest him on his terms. We gotta send a team for officer safety concerns. So it's less efficient. So what do we do?

We know we got a problem in sanctuary cities. We know not only do criminal aliens live in the sanctuary cities, but local law enforcement can't work with us and they're releasing them. We don't have that problem in Florida. We don't have that problem in Texas. So what we're going to do is concentrate in sanctuary cities because we know there's a problem.

So we're going to flood the zone. We're going to flood the zones with additional teams. We're going to flood the zones with additional teams doing worksite enforcement. If we can't arrest a bad guy in the jail because of sanctuary rules, then we're going to arrest him in the neighborhood. We can't find him there. We're going to arrest him at the worksite. So sanctuary cities are going to be flooded with officers doing what they need to do to find these public safety threats. So you're going to see the numbers increase substantially in the next few weeks.

I do see, I just saw some images that ICE was sharing yesterday from Florida, worksite enforcement going on in Florida as agents are showing up. They're making arrests of illegal aliens there. What's the difference between a state like Florida that's cooperative and a state like, say, maybe California that refuses to cooperate, sanctuary types of states, in terms of the

these types of worksite enforcements, how does, how do those States differentiate from one another? Oh, look, things are much easier in Florida, Florida. They've mandated 27 G and, and governor Santa said, any sheriff for chief doesn't cooperate with ICE. You have terminated Texas. They're stepping up and we got some States that really step Tennessee. We got some great States stepping up, but California is a problem. They got SP. I think it's SP 54. The whole taste, the whole States of sanctuary, uh,

And Governor Newsom, he's one of these governors that vilify ICE every day. So it makes the job more difficult. But in California, worksite enforcement is going to be very important. Again, if we don't have cooperation with the jails, this means we've got to go to neighborhoods. We have court injunctions in California where it ties ICE's hands about who can even approach on knock-and-talks at their home. So there's a place there where we want to concentrate on worksite enforcement because...

We have the right to do that. We've no court injunctions on that. They'll probably try to place one. But worksite enforcement will be very important in California. So you can look for a lot in California, a lot more resources sent to California. We have a big footprint there already, but we're going to double that footprint.

We're going to take these public safety threats off the street. And then sanctuary cities just requires more agencies. And that's why I've been pushing, get this bill passed, the big, beautiful bill. We need the money to put boots on the ground. We need the money for technology to help us find these people. We need the money for more beds. Everybody who rests needs a bed. We got to bed them down from several days to several weeks where I work on transportation and getting travel documents from their home nation. So we need money to do this. We're doing great.

But we got to do more. The more money we have, the more we can do. And we can keep President's promise to the American people that we will run the biggest deportation in the history of this nation. It takes money to do that. I'm hoping Congress steps up. I'll say, I said it a thousand times, border security should be a nonpartisan issue.

A secure border saves lives. It saves American lives. It saves alien lives. It saves sex trafficking, women and children. It saves people on the church. Watch this from across. And it bankrupts the cartels who killed hundreds of thousands of people. So they should be a nonpartisan issue. And you can't have strong border security if you don't have strong interior enforcement operations. There needs to be a consequence for those that were released illegally by the Biden administration. There needs to be a consequence for those that get away. Yeah.

We got to send a message to the whole world. It's not okay to enter this country illegally. It's a crime. And if you get due process, a great taxpayer expansion, you get order removed by a judge, you got to leave. So I've dealt with the questions yesterday. Well, there's mass deportation. It's inhumane. It's racist. No, it's not. When you have massive historical illegal immigration where immigration court data shows nine out of 10 people that claim asylum at the border end up with an order of removal because they simply don't qualify for asylum.

You can give them due process, but at the end of that due process, if you get a court order saying you gotta leave, if we don't execute that order, then what the hell are we doing? Shut down the immigration court. Orders don't mean anything anymore. Take the border, throw off the border 'cause there's no consequences. No, you can't demand due process. You can't demand to see a judge. You can't demand the right to do this, and at the end of that due process, if the final order isn't carried out, then due process means nothing. And it sends a message to the whole world. You can cross the border legally. It's a crime, but don't worry about it.

to be released, you can cross the border illegally and demand to see a judge.

And when you lose your case, no one's looking for you. If that's the message we send to the whole world, you're never going to fix this. And the next administration, you're going to see everything turned back around again and we're in trouble once again. So on the deportation front, I've seen some news and you can tell me what's true and what's not, that there are a number of top ICE officials who are turning over, that they're leaving and they're being replaced. What's going on with ICE? Is this related to the push to get the deportation numbers up? You know, I believe that, you know,

ICE leadership is not in my chain of command. They work for Secretary of Homeland Security. I work with very closely. I know there's been some retirements and there's been some transfers, but that decision is up to the secretary because ICE works for her. I would just, you know, we just need strong leadership in there. It's going to push these numbers. I think we have a strong acting director in Todd Lyons. The reason I say that because the men and women of ICE respect leadership that's done the job. And, uh,

You know, for I don't know how long, the last decades, they bring somebody in from the outside, some attorney, somebody that works campaign, and they make them the ICE director. I like the fact that we got a person that spent decades doing this job, has respected men and women in the field because he did the job. When I was ICE director, ICE had the highest morale in the history of the agency. Not because Tom Holm wasn't a great guy and a great leader, but they respected the fact

that the 20,000 men and women that work for me, I never asked them to do anything that I didn't do myself because I was one of them. So we have somebody in acting director now, Todd Lyons, who's now, you know, is getting those numbers up.

But he's from the inside. He's done the job himself. He's worked the streets himself. He's arrested aliens himself. He's processed aliens himself. So he understands the game better than anybody. So I think they got a great leadership team there. You're going to see some switches in leadership as things progress. I mean, every agency does it.

The FBI does it. Secret Service does it. You're going to see a change in leadership. So I think I'm not going to comment, though. I think they left because the numbers weren't satisfactory. I think Secretary Nunes making some changes based on what she thinks best for ICE. And I just I just think what my opinion is, whoever runs ICE needs to be a career law enforcement officer who knows the job.

Yeah. Amen. That sounds good to me. So self-deportations, are those actually happening, Tom Holman? And to what extent? And what will increase people self-deporting? I think the more we do these operations out there and we put more teams on the street, we send a strong message that if you're in the country illegally, we're looking for you. Yeah. And you can wait till ICE finds you, arrest you, put you in a van, take you to detention center, then we deport you. Or you can do the common sense thing, you know, do the most humane thing.

Get your affairs in order. Go to the CBB Home app or just go to a nice office and let us help you remove. It gives you a chance to get your affairs in order, whether that may be family, property, whatever. And we'll get you a flight home. You'll get some money when you arrive at home.

And leave yourself the possibility of coming back under a legal program, whether it's, you know, tourist visa, visitor's visa, a work visa, or maybe have a U.S. citizen child here that once they turn 18 can petition for you to come legally as, you know, relative. There's a lot of, who knows what other opportunities you may have, but if we're forced to go find you and go through this whole process of great taxpayer expansion, you're formally deported.

There are statutory bars from you entering this country again. And they can go five years or 20 years to never, right? So, you know, do things the right way. It's not okay to be in this country illegally. You hear it illegally. It's not okay to hurt an illegal alien.

You know, because you're undercutting your competition as U.S. citizen employees. So do the right thing. You want to be a part of the greatest nation on earth and do it the right way. Because why they cheated the system and came in the way they did, there are millions of people, literally millions of people standing in line, taking their tests, doing a background investigation, paying their fees to be part of the greatest nation on earth. Do things the right way. The self-deportation number on CBP went up. I think we got a little over 6,000 that have signed up.

I need to see more of those. But we got to push more information out, especially in the Spanish language channels throughout the country. But I really think the game changer is going to be when we increase these teams that we're doing right now. We've been doing it for the past week. Yes. When they see these operations occurring, when they see this worksite, you know, vastly expanding, people are going to say, okay, well, I can –

I can get my affairs in order and do this the right way, or I can wait for ice to find me. I think you don't see that increase exponentially. I really do. I think you don't see those self-deportation.

increase as we ramp up more operations. Tom Holman, are you running into problems with people trying to obstruct ICE operations very often? Because I'm seeing a lot of posts online where basically lefties are warning that, oh, there's an ICE raid going on or ICE is showing up at this location or I see ICE out there. Don't talk to them. How much obstruction are you seeing with your operations right now? More than I've ever seen.

I've been doing this since 1984. And it's a shame because we're trying to prioritize public safety threats and national security threats. And for anybody standing on a megaphone, tell them not to answer the door. You know, you don't have to answer questions. It's just putting your community at greater risk of crime. And, you know, we're trying to prioritize public safety threats and national security threats. Well, I tell you, we're stepping up the consequences. So, like, there's a statute that we don't use very much. We're using it now. It's 8 U.S.C. 1253.

hindering your own removal. So if you don't assist us, if you don't answer our questions, you don't help provide travel documents, you want to hide behind the door, you want to do these things, well, we're going to arrest you. We're going to prosecute you. We're going to get an arrest warrant, then we're going to go in the door and we're going to arrest you. Then we're going to prosecute you and you're going to go to prison. Then we got out of prison, then we got your hands on you, then you're going to be deported anyways. So these people say, "We're educating these people as their constitutional rights." Well,

You can claim that. We all know what you're doing. You're educating them on how to evade law enforcement. And what you're actually doing is educating them how to get prosecuted. So we're stepping it up. You want to play the game? Game on. But I wish the American people would take a minute to look at, go to the ICE website and just look at the great work the men and women of ICE do.

You know, HSI, they got some significant criminal investigations, you know, child pornography, child trafficking, gun trafficking, you know, drug trafficking, weapons of mass destruction investigations or technology from the United States being stolen and sold to our adversaries across the world that's going to be used against our warfighters.

Immigration is once one small portion of what ICE does. I wish people would educate themselves to go out and make it difficult for ICE officers. Being an ICE officer is already dangerous, especially in sanctuary cities, because rather than arresting the bad guy in the safety and security of a jail, now you're going to force us in the community to arrest the guy in his turf? And with all this negative ICE stuff being pushed out by the left and the media and the hatred of ICE, it's...

My fear is that one of our officers is not going to go home at night because of the attack, the vilification of ICE agents. And it's just unfair. These men and women, and people need to understand, the men and women at ICE, they're moms and dads too. They have kids too. They don't hang their heart on a hook when they leave to go to work that day. They see a lot of dangerous things. ICE has saved more lives than

than anybody ever knows. You know, HSI, when they take down a child trafficking investigation, the lives they save, and drug trafficking or gun trafficking, the cartels they've taken out of the loop, you know, ERO, the amount of children they've saved from sex trafficking and forced labor, the amount of women they've rescued in sex trafficking. I mean, ICE saves a lot of lives. Do your research.

They're American pagers. They got a tough job. Look, immigration enforcement has always been controversial. It's always been emotional.

since I started in 1984. But the attacks and the vilification of ICE is increasing the risks against these men and women. Matter of fact, I've never seen the amount of doxing being done right now. So the media is saying, here's ICE, look at these Nazis out on the street wearing masks and picking people off the street, trying to compare them to Nazis. Well, they're wearing masks because they're being doxed across the country. And they're trying to protect themselves and their families from this doxing.

I can understand that. I get doxxed all the time. I accept it because who I am and the position I have. And frankly, I don't care what people think about me. Whatever. But the men and women who put that badge of gun on every day,

For the left to attack them the way they have, they're putting them at great risk. They're putting their families at great risk. Because when they dox them, they're doxing their faces, they're doxing their home addresses, they're doxing their phone numbers. That puts your families at risk. And it's just pathetic. It's un-American. And it needs to be prosecuted. And thank God we got Pam Bondi as the AG now, who's going to start looking at some of these. And if they cross that line of impediment, she will prosecute. And I applaud her for doing it.

All right. Well, then I'll leave on a positive note. There is support for ICE and there's support for you out there. I want to show you a picture here. This is one of our producers, Corey in Ganimore. He takes a boat out on the Potomac almost every weekend during the summer and flies the biggest picture of Tom Homan you've ever seen with

uh thug life sunglasses on and it says ice ice baby and tom uh if you're ever out for whatever reason in georgetown or on the wharf or in old town alexandria you may see this boat drifting very close to the shore sending a message of support for you uh and the operations that are going on so uh there you go so if you if you don't see tom homan here on this program or knocking at your door because you're an illegal alien you might see his face on the potomac tom

Well, it's flattering, but I'd like to see a flag that says ICE. God bless ICE and God bless Border Patrol, because I appreciate that, and I'm working hard, but the men and women carrying a badge and gun, they're the ones putting it on the line every day. Two o'clock this morning, you and I were probably sleeping, and these men and women out there are either standing on a dirt trail on the border taking on criminal cartels or sitting on surveillance in New York City waiting to rest.

you know, a public safety threat child predators. So I appreciate it, but God bless the men and women on the board between ICE because they're the ones getting it done. And God bless President Trump. President Trump's a game changer. I wake up every day like a kid in a cane historic and I'm working the greatest president of my lifetime. I don't care if you like him or love him. His success on the border, his success on immigration enforcement's unprecedented. And I like being a part of that. Amen. Tom Holman, thank you for your service and your time today, sir. Good to talk to you. Thank you, sir.

The great Tom Holman, man, that guy, isn't he great? I never have any question about where his loyalties lie. Every time I hear from Tom.

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How you doing? How you doing? How you doing? How you doing? Yeah, that's our quote. Imagine being an illegal alien and you're just at home, you know, just stealing space here in the United States that you're unentitled to. The door is closed. You think everything is fine. Then boom, boom, boom. How you doing? How you doing? Well, not as well as I was. Now that Tom Holman's at my door, he's so good.

He's so, so wonderful. You know who actually thinks that she's going to be arrested by Tom Holman and get a how you doing? Is Jasmine Crockett. Jasmine, crazy Crockett just did an interview where she's concluded that she thinks that

the Trump administration wants to arrest her. Take a look. Here's cut five, Jasmine Crockett making that claim. Of course, it makes sense that members of Congress would want to go visit one of these ICE facilities and say, okay, what's going on here? We're members of Congress. We represent the people. We want to know what's going on here. And then there's this whole, there's this scuffle where they're giving these members of Congress a hard time. And I'm worried about folks like yourself, Congresswoman, because I have to assume that

you know, of course they would like to arrest you and some of the others who are more outspoken in the house. Of course. That's just me thinking that.

No, you're absolutely right. It's interesting because my deputy chief, who's quite young, still has his grandmother, who he calls this particular one, Nene. And so I was having to go to El Paso after I got done in D.C. I had to go to El Paso to testify in federal court as relates to the redistricting that was done in 2020 in the state of Texas.

And his grandmother did not know why we were going to El Paso, but she thought we were going to a detention facility that I don't know about Jasmine going because, you know, they want to lock her up and they probably don't grab her and throw her into what's wrong with these people.

So everyone in her office, how you doing? Everyone in her office is a psycho. They're related to psychos. They think that she's just going to be arrested for no reason. What would give her that idea? Now, in fairness, that is how the way the left operates. They just arrest people for no reason. You vote for Trump. They're arresting you. They're arresting you. You are Trump. They want to arrest you. You know, you live in Mar-a-Lago. You're getting raided. The underwear drawers being rifled through by federal law enforcement.

Guns drawn. Yeah, this is that's what the left's attitude is about everybody else, about people that are their political opponents. So they maybe are sitting there thinking, oh, no, this is how cops operate. No, it's not. It's not how they operate. You've got to you got to assault people. You got to you got to break the law. The reason that those Democrats were being arrested in Newark, the reason LaMonica McIver was just charged is because she was assaulting federal law enforcement. So you get charged.

Straight up. So Jasmine Crockett, if you really are fantasizing about this outcome, go ahead, take a swing at a cop and see what happens. Go ahead. Break the law. You want to see Trump cuff you? You want to become a martyr for whatever cause you think you represent? Have fun. How you doing? How you doing? How you doing? The cops are going to, they're going to have a knock at the door from some home and looking figure. How you doing? Going after Jasmine Crockett. So there's Jasmine. Crazy Crockett. Crazy Crockett. Still doing it.

on that lesbian ladies podcast. And that was really something. Also, there's something going on in Congress right now. There are a couple of committees, there's Senate committees and House committees who are now launching full-blown investigation into Joe Biden's

lack of cognitive ability and the fact that the last administration amounted to a monster constitutional crisis because we didn't actually have a president of the United States. We just had, you know, nameless, faceless bureaucrats who were operating the whole thing.

Yesterday in the White House press briefing, Caroline Leavitt was asked whether or not a woman who play acts as a doctor, her name's Jill Biden, you may know her as Lady McBiden, whether or not Lady McBiden should testify before Congress, whether or not she should be called in. And good for Caroline Leavitt not just passing over the question and instead saying, yes, she should. Take a look here. There are some folks in President Biden's inner circle who are now in talks with Republicans

in Congress to give interviews about how they may have handled President Biden's decline. Is the president satisfied with aides only sitting for these transcribed interviews, or would he also like to see some kind of testimony

from the former first lady, Dr. Biden. I think, frankly, the former first lady should certainly speak up about what she saw in regards to her husband and when she saw it and what she knew. Because I think anybody looking again at the videos and photo evidence of Joe Biden with your own eyes and a little bit of common sense can see this was a clear cover-up. And Jill Biden was certainly complicit in that cover-up. There are documents- Yeah, get her under oath.

Pull her into the Congress, get her under oath. And let me just say, you know, Comer, James Comer, I mentioned this to you before, but Comer's already sent out these requests for, you know, behind closed doors interviews. No more requests. Just send the subpoenas out. Just subpoena everybody. Get the subpoenas fired out. Get them in front of Congress. Get this constitutional crisis examined immediately and get to holding people accountable. This is what I want. This is what you want. And this is what we're pushing for.

Again, thanks again to Tom Holman for joining the program today. He obviously wanted to speak to this audience because he knows how meaningful it is. The best audience in media. How you doing? Good to have you with us. Make sure to check out the Vince radio show. That's the Vince show. That's 12 to three Eastern every day nationwide. You can listen on rumble.com slash Vince or find it wherever you get local radio. It's great. It's really great to do. And I'll be back with you Monday with all the big shows. How you doing?