Trump Puts China In Their Place w/ Tim Murtaugh | Episode 19
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Hey there. Good to have you back with us. It's Vince, another episode. It's always so nice to chat with you, chatting especially with you live on Rumble, rumble.com slash Vince. An amazing chat already piling in as it does each day. Thank you for that, everybody. It is wild. You just saw it happen again. And what have I been saying?

What have I been saying? Everyone just needs to settle the hell down. It's gonna go great. And sure enough, it went great. A massive announcement from the president of the United States yesterday, stock market flying up into a complete record day yesterday. And we've imposed 125% tariffs on China. Tell me exactly how this could have gone better.

We'll have more on that in a moment. Also, I've got new economic data just out this morning. Speaking of the economy and what's going to happen with spending in the United States of America, the Congress right now debating some big tax cuts and big

spending cuts right now. They could be on the verge of passing one big, beautiful bill. And Tim Murtaugh, you know him from the Trump campaign. He's going to be joining us coming up. We're going to talk to him about the president's strategy, what he sees in all of it, and also a very important story about rumble as it fights back against the Canadian government. That's right. Canada's hassling rumble, obviously.

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All right, we've got very good news today. Very good news indeed about the state of the economy. Things are now roaring thanks to the president of the United States and the moves that he has taken this week. Before I dive into some of the data, some of you have been watching the Rumble stream during the radio show from 12 to three each day. And typically I have a, these days I have a special guest, my dog. My dog Major stops by and I decided, everyone keeps saying, where's he during the podcast? Well, he's here now. Major, come here. Come here, buddy. Come here.

Let me see. Let me see if I can show you Major. Okay, let's get another camera here. How about this? How about this? We'll get another camera for Major. We've got a camera. I can pull it up right now. Let's see. There's Major. Major, come here, buddy. Come here. There's Major. That's my dog.

And everybody has been talking about him in the radio chat. So I figured, why am I keeping Major from the podcast? And so this is my boy. He's my off-leash boy. He follows me around everywhere. He's my shadow. And he's a great dog. He's a great dog. Anyway, so that's me just showing off the dog. But I figured, bring him to the show. And people were asking about his breed. He's a mutt. We got him as a rescue. Somebody abandoned him somewhere in central Virginia.

And he walked up to a work truck, a guy was working on a radio tower, and he walked up to a work truck and he just hung out by the truck

And so the guy's name is Larry. Larry's a great American. Larry takes major into the truck at the time. He had no name yet. We didn't name him until we got him and brought him to, you know, the local officials in kind of what you have to do to see if anybody's going to claim them. Nobody did after a week. So Larry took him and then, and then Larry posted online that they needed a home for this guy. And so we brought major in and he's been the absolute best. It's been fun. I love, honestly love training dogs.

Love training dogs. Dog training is, um, dog training is pretty cool. I taught him how to catch Frisbees, which I didn't know that you could do. I thought you had to be one of like those really smart breeds to catch Frisbees. And it turns out you can train a lot of dogs to catch Frisbees. You just have to, you have to spin around with them. They like biting at the Frisbee, just spin in a circle with them. And then, um, they keep biting at the Frisbee and then you gently start releasing the

the Frisbee each time. And then the dog gets accustomed to catching it in the air. And now I can whip that Frisbee across the yard. He'll chase it and catch it. So kind of cool, actually. It's really, these dogs are amazing. So there you go. That's major. He'll pop up every so often in the podcast. And for those of you listening, check out the Rumble stream if you can sometime to check that out. That's rumble.com slash Vince. Okay. Economic data.

Who's a good boy? Who's a good economy? The American economy is doing really well. We have some breaking news this morning that the American economy has improved dramatically. Inflation is way down. Our economist here on the program is E.J. Antoni, and he writes today that core inflation year over year has fallen to its lowest rate in almost four years.

Hitting 2.8%. That's the best number since May of 2021. May of 2021. Of course, the last time, as you see here on EJ's chart, it was headed in an upward trajectory because you have Biden coming in January of 21, and then inflation skyrockets during that timeframe. So core inflation now is falling

falling way down thanks to the president of the United States, his administration, and has stopped all of that out of control spending. Remember when Biden came into office, the first thing they did was pass a $2 trillion spending package and they said it was for so-called COVID relief.

All it did was print a lot of money and make the economy so much worse. When you print money and you have too many dollars chasing too few goods, well, that's exactly how you get inflation. And that's what Biden did over the course of his four awful years in office. So the economic numbers that we're seeing today

A dramatic improvement there. Also, in terms of EJ's assessment of everything that's going on, I have one more for you because this strikes me as really important too. Take a look at this one. This is, he said, this is truly remarkable. The average annual inflation rate from 2009 until 2021, it was at 1.8%, 1.8%.

here. And then Biden drove it up to 8.6% for a year and a half. And then it rose steadily at 3.1% for the rest of his entire term. Trump is averaging a mere 1% right now for his average annual inflation rate. That's huge. So in terms of prices,

In terms of prices and this idea that President Trump was elected in order to lower them, to slow down these rapid price increases, he's doing it. The cost of oil has gone down dramatically. A barrel of oil has gone down very dramatically. That is super important. You're looking at Congress right now contemplating a

big package that'll include American energy spending, American energy focus in terms of getting rid of all the barriers to American energy. So these numbers are only set to improve going forward. And the private sector, we talked about earlier this week, the private sector, two months in a row has been growing. The government sector is shrinking. It's going down.

All things that you want. So the president delivering on those promises right now. And then yesterday, we get the big announcement from the president of the United States that he is dropping all of the tariffs that he was set to impose on every country on the planet. And instead, they're just going to impose 10% flat on every country all across the planet, except for China, which is going to be getting 125% tariffs because China just keeps retaliating.

China just keeps attacking the United States. So President Trump says, okay, perfect. We will isolate China. 125% tariff.

We're gonna reroute all of this industry all around the planet. We'll import from other countries. We will work out trade deals. As of this morning, the president's advisor, Kevin Hassett, was on television saying that they have some, I wanna say 15 or so countries that they're working with right now that specifically who have offers on the table who are ready to go. They've been talking to 75 countries, they say, who all wanna make these big offers. At the moment, those tariffs are frozen.

They're not fully suspended. They're not fully going away. They're frozen for 90 days, according to the president. And the idea here is that looming tariff threat continues to hang over these countries until they make deals that benefit the United States of America. In the meantime,

The Chinese having a 125% tariff, this is a huge deal. Now, China is digging its heels in. I saw them all across X. They're posting these ridiculous videos saying, we're going to fight to the end. We're going to fight to the end. We will not yield. Okay, fine. Don't yield because you are entirely dependent on the American market.

You're not diversified enough. You can't handle this. We have all of the leverage here. And so China, if they want to take this to the bloody end, that's totally fine because that means in that timeframe, we will be able to reestablish business here in the United States of America, get all these companies out of China, companies like Apple, which has been producing iPhones. Was it Foxconn where they had to put up the suicide nets to catch people who were jumping out of the factory?

Crazy. And so you're watching as a lot of that manufacturing is already starting to leave China. Just the uncertainty of the trade war is enough for these companies to say, we've got to pick up, we've got to move. So China with a losing hand here and the president fighting right now for us. So that's great. And I said this from the get-go and I'll repeat it every time we get one of these Trump panics that are going on from what the president refers to as the panikins.

Isn't it the most predictable thing ever? Isn't it the most predictable thing ever? The president does something. The left wing media and a bunch of weak-kneed rhinos come out and they start freaking out over what the president did, saying this is going to end in calamity. And then it ends in the best possible way. And people look back on it and they say, wow, that was actually worth it.

I, yesterday morning, each day, I can tell you, each day throughout all of this, I've put a little bit, no, a couple of bucks. I put a little bit of money into the stock market each day because I said, why not? I know how this ends. I know how this ends. I know that the president is going to want to have everything firing on all cylinders by the time the midterms come around and perhaps sooner.

And so yesterday morning, I bought a little of the S&P 500, just bought a little index fund. I was like, you know what? Maybe I'll do this. And the president even said on Truth Social yesterday, he said, this is a good time to buy stocks. And so people started listening. Some people did. They started buying stocks. And by the time the president made his announcement, that was during our 12 to 3 Eastern National Radio Show yesterday. He makes his announcement on Truth Social that he's suspending all these tariffs for 90 days.

and he's imposing 125% tariffs on China. Holy crap, what a day it was yesterday. And I, yeah, Patriot Dan says, "I did too, invest what you can." I planted my feet. I just put a couple of bucks in the market and it paid off yesterday.

So that's again, that's because I'm not freaking out. I'm not panicking over this. Donald Trump has been president of the United States before and has gone pretty damn well. Now he's president again and it is going pretty damn well. I'm not going to freak out here. That's crazy. So I didn't. And it paid off luckily. So here's a.

As predicted, although I do see there's some people online today accusing Trump people of insider trading. I guess there were some people were buying call options or something on the market yesterday ahead of the president's public announcement. But even if that's the case, the president had tweeted in the morning or sorry, posted the truth socially and truth in the morning that now's a good time to buy stocks. Maybe kind of an indicator of Trump's telling people, hey, now's the right time to buy stocks. People listened yesterday. Yeah.

Amazing. All right. Let's see. I've got the president talking about China. This is what I want you to hear. This is the president, Kutwan, saying that the reason we are in this position where we have to fight back against China now, given all of its unfair practices, is not just because of China, which, of course, it is. It's because of the prior occupants of the Oval Office who have sold this country out. Take a look at the president.

I blame the people sitting right at this desk, right behind this desk or another desk. You get your choice of seven. I happen to pick the resolute. But I blame the people sitting behind in this chair, behind this desk, for being stupid, incompetent, or not having courage. This should have been done years ago.

This should have been done before Obama, in all fairness. Not only Biden, Obama. It should have been done many years ago. This started with the World Trade Organization, which was owned by China. It was owned and paid for by China. They didn't even have to do things. They considered them a nation that was undeveloped.

- They said they were a developing nation. Well, we're a developing nation too, if you think about it. Look at our inner cities, look at what's happened. - Yeah, so let me pause here. The developing nation component, just to be clear, means that China gets preferential treatment on the global stage. They get unique carve outs by the World Trade Organization because they're considered a developing nation. What an absurd arrangement at the rest of our expense. So it's not free trade, it's not fair trade.

at all. It's rigged trade with China. And also it was Washington who sold us out. It was people like then Senator Joe Biden who sold us out through the admission of China to the World Trade Organization. And it is not in any way achieved the claims that

those people in Congress were saying at the time. They claimed that China would become more Western, China would become more like us, China would ingest our values. None of that happened. Instead, they exported their communism to the United States of America.

and stole our productivity, stole our intellectual property, stole our manufacturing base, stole it. It wasn't a free trade arrangement. It wasn't that they were doing things better in an ethical way. It was that they straight up stole it. And Washington's allowed it to happen forever. And every prior occupant of the Oval Office, at least in this century, has allowed that to get even worse.

So Trump says, "I'm the corrective." Hate to say it, but these guys are either morons or they're corrupt. Continue with President Trump here. - From ground zero there, right? So we're a developing nation too. No, I don't, I know it's a lot of people take heat for saying it, but I blame the people sitting at this desk more than I blame China. If China can get away with what they got away with, with taking hundreds of billions and trillions of dollars right out of our pocket,

because our people here were stupid. They were stupid people. Maybe corrupt, I don't know. I don't know how you can be that stupid. How do you get to be president and you're stupid? But they certainly weren't courageous, and they allowed this to happen, and with Japan and with many other countries that took advantage of us. We had deficits with almost every country. I used to read these things. First term, I'd read them. I'd actually read the agreements and I'd say, how could anybody agree to this stuff? So certainly...

They were rough and they were tough and they were smart. And you can blame them, but I really blame the people that allowed them to do it. Because, you know, if you could read first grade and you could read these agreements, you'd say, these are terrible deals. I actually used to say, who would allow deals like this to be made for our country?

I love that. I love that he says, how can you be a stupid person and become president of the United States? Well, in fairness, Joe Biden became president of the United States and he wasn't even at the level of stupid. He didn't reach that high. And then the other piece of this, he said, well, maybe they're corrupt. Well, he's being generous.

Biden is corrupt. Biden's very corrupt. The Biden family has taken millions from China. The Biden family has taken millions from the wife of the mayor of Moscow. The Biden family has taken millions from Ukraine. The Biden family deeply corrupts.

corrupt in the midst of all of this. No wonder they're rolling over in the face of China. That was four years guaranteed that China was going to continue to fleece us, to take advantage of us because they owned the guy in the Oval Office. So I would say President Trump, who was very good in that audio you just heard,

you know, he's being almost generous to Biden, who was bought and paid for by so many countries. And that's and so we're left holding the bag here. And President Trump trying to fix all that right now. Republicans in the Senate, members of Congress, for the most part, there were a lot of members of Congress who were with the president. Some of them just kept their mouths shut during this trade battle. And then others were downright trying to

take away the president's power to conduct this um this effort to to manage these tariffs and those people just insane that you know the Susan Collins of the world the Tom Tillis's of the world saying we have to rest control of tariffs away from the president of the United States

How how awful that they would get up there and they would represent the globalist status quo rather than fighting for the American worker in places like Maine and North Carolina, where Collins and Tillis are from, respectively. But there is a sigh of relief going on on Capitol Hill that at least this this bout, this round is over. Here is Senator John Kennedy delivering the message and only the way that he can.

- Pause of tariffs, a 90-day pause except China? - Well, I don't consider it to be a pause. I consider it to be a declaration of victory. Putting the China side for a second, you have to treat China differently from everybody else. No person with an IQ that's greater than his age or her age can think that half of the world's countries

would have come to America, the American people and say, we want to lower our trade barriers had President Trump not done what he did. Right. Now, that's just a fact. Trump haters will not like that. Trump lovers will love it. But that's just a natural fact.

Yeah. So he says, this isn't a pause. It's a declaration of victory. Truth is, it is a pause. It is a pause. So those countries continue to remain on notice. But Senator Kennedy is right that this has been, this is a big deal that the president could only achieve through a muscular start to this negotiation by coming out and just throwing it all on the table. This is the pain that you're going to suffer. Bam, throwing the binder down. Yeah.

And having everybody stare at him from across the table and go, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait a second. That's where you're starting? We want to make a deal. Let's make a deal. We don't want any heat. We don't want any of that. Let's get away from that. That doesn't happen if President Trump just starts limping into the negotiation. He just comes in. He says, look, I want you to make a deal. We'd hate for anything to get worse for you. We'd hate to eventually impose tariffs on you. Instead, he starts right away with, we're putting massive tariffs on your country. What do you have to say about this?

So the president in his announcement yesterday indicated that the fact that all of these countries around the planet are collaborating with him is what earned them at least this 90-day reprieve. So Senator Kennedy, right, that's a uniquely Trumpy quality that so many others don't

who would want to represent the United States in the Oval Office. They would do well to learn some lessons from how the president just handled all of that. All right, coming up more in a moment. I've got more reactions to all of this, including from the top officials in the Trump administration. And we'll be speaking with Tim Murtaugh coming up in a moment. He's seen the president up close. He knows how he operates and he'll give us his thoughts on the president's negotiating tactics here.

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All right. We've, we do have one thing I want to share with you is that China has

has been making all sorts of attempts to stop all of this. They're like, "Please, please don't do this to us. We're gonna keep fighting back against you." And one of the ways I told you yesterday that China is threatening here to retaliate is to block Hollywood movies from appearing in China. Go back and listen to yesterday's podcast if you want more detail on that, but at its core, I hope China blocks.

Hollywood movies from appearing in China. It'd be good for us. It means that China does less sucking, excuse me, Hollywood does less sucking up to China, less censoring of American movies in order to fit the Chinese demands. I'd be very in favor of that. But here's one that I didn't dwell on yesterday, but I need you to dwell on in part. Take a look at this. China is floating the possibility of killing more Americans in response to these tariffs. And what does that mean?

Well, China right now is the source of fentanyl, is the source of fentanyl worldwide, and especially in the United States. All of those ingredients, all the fentanyl stuff comes from China. And two of the bloggers who are linked to the Chinese government, who came out with this list of retaliatory ideas, meaning they did this at the behest of the commies, of the chi comms who run the country.

They suggested that they would stop collaborating on fentanyl. They would suspend cooperation on fentanyl. Let me put that a little differently for you. They will look the other way as their people, their country continues to kill Americans. That's their plan. And so, look, it's already kind of a joke to suggest that they're doing much collaboration to begin with. The Chinese government knows as it floats this concept that

That the whole point is we want you to realize more Americans will die if we have our way. You keep this going, we will kill more Americans. I don't think that that component of this should be underappreciated. I think we should really keep an eye on that because the Chinese government

As you likely know, Peter Schweitzer has written a great book on the subject. The Chinese government controls the supply chain of fentanyl into the United States all the way through Mexico. They're controlling the port access. They're controlling the pill presses. They're working with the cartels. They're using Chinese encrypted apps to get the drugs into the country. And fentanyl has been killing

More Americans every year than we lost in the entirety of the Vietnam War. More Americans every single year than we lost in the entirety of the Vietnam War. Over 100,000 Americans a year died due to drug overdoses here in the United States. Many of them who are taking things that they think are other drugs and they don't realize that there are fentanyl inside of them. And that's the cartels, that's the Chinese government killing Americans. So the Chinese government today, this week, saying that'll continue.

So, you know, one huge piece here is remembering this is not merely an economic war. This is, in some ways, you would assess it to be a hot war, wouldn't you? If the Chinese government and the cartels are involved in killing over 100,000 Americans a year, we're kind of at war, aren't we, with this country? The president responding with 125% tariffs now on China. We'll see what comes of it and whether or not China is going to come to the table at all. But it is a really, really big deal.

In terms of what led to all of this yesterday, there is some speculation right now that, not speculation, there's a left-wing media narrative. I love this. They hated Trump for launching the tariffs to begin with,

And then when he changed his course and he says, we're going to drop the tariffs down to 10 percent, we're going to leave them up for China, 125 percent. The media cope yesterday was, oh, he blinked. He walked away. He gave up. He surrendered. He capitulated. That's their explanation for this. The Treasury Secretary, Scott Besson, immediately addressed this yesterday and said, don't be stupid. This was part of the plan. Take a look at Scott Besson.

I have nothing to say to that. And we actually had quite a good 10-year auction today. And all this was, again, this was driven by the president's strategy. He and I had a long talk on Sunday, and this was his strategy all along. And you might even say that he goaded China

into a bad position, they responded. They have shown themselves to the world to be the bad actors. And we are willing to cooperate with our allies and with our trading partners who did not retaliate. It wasn't a hard message. Don't retaliate. Things will turn out well.

Don't retaliate. Things will turn out well. That was the message. China retaliated. Things turned out poorly. Everybody else is now working with the United States, which is a very big deal. And think about what this means for alliances. That means that we'll have more countries who are dedicated to their business relationships with the United States than with China. China's sphere of influence drops as a result of all of this. Ours grows. And you cannot underestimate

the value of those 10% tariffs. 10% tariffs on the rest of the planet, that's a lot of money flowing into the United States treasury. And yet the market's loving it yesterday, an improvement over what they thought was coming. All right, in just a moment, we'll bring our guest in. We'll talk to Tim Murtaugh about what he thinks that all was and what he makes of the president's psychology here, how he handles these deals. But first, I want to thank our sponsors for keeping all of this free for us. Thank you for that. Are you a yo-yo dieter?

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Good boy. He's hanging out with us today. All right. That's that's enough for the major break for now. I'll be I'll just be lying there. All right. Let's see. Let's bring in another another great guy. Tim Murtaugh is standing by. Tim Murtaugh is was at one time the communications director for the Trump campaign and is with us now. Tim, good to see you again, sir.

See you, Vince, and congrats to you being able to work there with Major. That's fantastic. I feel like I'm second fiddle there to Major, of course. Yeah. And congrats on all your success. Thank you very much. And some of the people who follow a lot of these politics will realize, and this was just a mistake on my part. I had no idea. I forgot about it.

But Major is also the name of Joe Biden's out-of-control dog. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Major – that's the dog – I think one of the dogs – Major and Commander, these dogs were biting all the Secret Service agents. So I guess what I've proved is it is possible to raise a dog named Major without it being a psychopath.

Yeah, well, I think, as I recall, Major Biden was uninvited from living at the White House. Isn't that isn't that accurate? I think that's right. They deported him. It's the only deportation they ever did. The only one, the only deportation that Biden managed was his maniac dog. That's right. Hey, Tim, Tim, let me get your reaction to what happened with these tariffs this week and how the president started all of this and how it ended up yesterday. What do you think?

You know, my favorite thing of all of this is how the media and the Democrats act like this is a surprise of some kind. You know, Donald Trump has only been talking about the power and use of tariffs for about four decades.

And it says, though he was not already president once, because we remember that I remember anyway. I don't know how far back the Democrats or the media's memory go. Apparently not very far. But he used them to great effect the first time he was president. And when he was running this time around in 2024, he talked about how he was going to defend America's economy, defend American jobs, manufacturing and all of that.

by using tariffs because he said it over and over again. America's been getting ripped off for decades. And when I get back into the White House, we're going to attack it again. It's going to stop.

That's what he has talked about for eons. And that's what he's doing. And for there to be this general freak out is to me the most humorous thing of all. And the end result is we are right back to where the president always wanted to be, which is that China is isolated, as you've been talking about, 125% tariffs now on China. They are isolated as compared to the rest of the world. Everyone can see that they are the true bad actors here.

And all these other countries, the EU and dozens of other countries are now at the negotiating table with the United States where they would not have been.

Had he not taken the action that he has taken over the past week or so. So I look at a guy like Chris Murphy, the Democrat from Connecticut, who's a senator, probably the most embarrassing member of the U.S. Senate, if you ask me. He's angry when the stock market goes down. He's angry when the stock market goes up. Trump posts on X for the entire world to see, hey, now would be a good time to buy stocks. And Chris Murphy says, oh, that's insider trading. That's not insider trade. He posted it on X.

Truth social, as you just said. So,

So, I mean, I think it's well played by the president. We'll see where it goes from here. But at this point, it's exactly where he wanted it to end up, I would think. And it was another reminder that he has a unique stomach for this type of action that so much of Washington doesn't. I saw a lot of Republicans were squeamish over all of this. Oh, no, what's going to happen? I mean, to the point that, as I mentioned, there were a number of senators who straight up came up with a piece of legislation to try and strip the president's power to administer these tariffs.

People like Tom Tillis in North Carolina and Susan Collins in Maine and others who are acting as if we need to take this away from the president at this moment. What are you doing? You are trying to diminish the hand that he's playing right now. Yeah, and this is – it's a symptom maybe of the internet age and the – we don't have a 24 – what is a 24-hour news cycle, but the news day never ends really –

And, you know, these the panikins, as you've recalled that the president has called them, they they can't withstand the pressures of a single news cycle and not even the entire news cycle. But they can't, you know, when the media is calling, say, what are you going to do about

this and everybody's freaking out. Oh my gosh, the stock market is falling. They can't survive even an afternoon without having to freak out. I mean, my goodness. This is the long game. President Trump is looking at this as the long game. He is resetting

America's place in the global marketplace. It has taken decades to get where we're at, and you're not gonna solve it in the course of a week. I mean, my goodness, he has told everybody for months that this is what he's going to do. And senators freak out through the course of an afternoon. I mean, get a grip.

There were people inside of Trump's orbit who were also disagreeing with each other publicly. I saw Peter Navarro and Elon Musk were kind of batting, going back and forth, sort of attacking each other in public. And I loved, I don't know if you love this too, as a communications guys worked in the Trump world, but I loved Caroline Levitt's explanation for all of that. Yeah, so what? They disagree. We're the most transparent administration in history. And these guys are allowed to disagree in public. It's perfectly fine.

Yeah, as though that's new in Trump world where people disagree with each other in public. And that's I think that's a way that he does achieve the most desirable outcomes. A lot of times is that he absolutely listens. People, the left loves to call him. Oh, he's a dictator. He's an autocrat, blah, blah, blah. No, this guy listens to every possible opinion. He will ask every single person in the room. What do you think about this? What do you think about this?

this. He takes all opinions and he wants people to have conflict. That's the way that you boil things down into what is probably going to end up being the best possible outcome. So public disagreements are nothing new. And this is another, the media, again, they know what drives clicks and all that. And so that's all this is about. And it's all about getting to the right place at the end of the process. And that's where President Trump has said it. So right now, I'm

We have 125% tariffs on China. As a guy who's seen the president operate up close, what is your advice to Xi Jinping right now? I see all of the Chinese messaging vehicles are saying, we will not yield. We will fight this to the end. What's your advice to Xi, if you could offer him any? Pick up the phone. That's what I would say. Get on the phone with Donald Trump and make a deal.

because Donald Trump is not going to bend. He's not, he has had this in his sights for a long time. Um, he has gotten through this far. He got through this, you know, this last week of everybody freaking out, blah, blah, blah. He's not, the end goal was to get America a straight deal and to be treated fairly on the world stage. And really that begins with China. China really is the main sore point here. And so the president is not, he's got this in his teeth now and he is not going to let it go. And I think president Xi, uh,

Trump recognizes that. I know that there's an issue of honor and saving face and all that stuff. And when it comes to – there will be a deal. There will – this is not like some sort of unsolvable problem. There will be a deal. And when that deal comes, there will be an off-ramp for President Xi to have a face-saving moment, and everything is going to work out fine. So just get on the phone. Yeah, that's right. President Trump will build something to make Xi –

Basically, to go back to his people to make it seem like he did something very strong. That'll be the president's move here. I want to ask you about a different country now because, Tim, I know one of the things that you represent and that you've been focused on is you do communications work for Rumble.

Yeah. Which, of course, we're broadcasting on live right now. And Rumble is locking horns. Not it's not a fight that Rumble asked for, but Canada has been creating problems for Rumble. Tell us what Canada has done to Rumble and what what the current fight is.

Yeah, well, Rumble and a news outlet called Rebel News filed suit in Canadian court on Monday. And what it all stems from a couple of live events that Rumble and Rebel News were planning and actually held in Toronto in May of last year. And it involved a member of Canadian parliament and a bunch of officials from the Canadian government. And what they tried to do is the landlord of the venue where these two events were being held is a Canadian government person.

And so what they tried to do is they didn't want the rumble and all these nasty conservatives coming in there. And Donald Trump Jr. was a featured guest at these two different live events, by the way. And we have internal communications of the government officials talking about what are they going to do to try to block these events from happening in advance. They talked about, oh, this is going to draw an undesirable crowd.

crowd. They didn't like the people. Then they went to the police and said, is there any way that we can present this as going to be a security threat and that there might be violence or an uprising of some kind? And the local police said, no.

No, we have no reports of that. There's nothing we can tell you about that. And so what they did was they artificially drove up the costs of security because they hoped that Rumble and Rebel News would just say, oh, that's too expensive. So they charged them these exorbitant security costs in order to, they said, to provide security for the thing in an attempt to scuttle the whole deal. When in fact, the member of parliament, her name is Yara Sachs,

She posted on X in public that she didn't like Rebel News because Rebel News had been in communication with her opponent in the upcoming election. So it was clearly viewpoint discrimination. It was clearly discriminating against people because of their political views.

She didn't want her political opponent being involved in this public thing. They tried to shut it down by hiking security fees. Well, the joke was on them. They paid the security fees. The events went off without a hitch. Guess what? There was no violence. Nothing happened. Everything was fine. But now they find themselves in court.

and they're facing being accused of attempts to violate the freedom of expression, freedom of speech, which Canadian citizens have the right to express. And Rumble, this is not the only time and it's not the only venue in which Rumble is once again on the front lines of fighting for free speech. You know, they're at it in Brazil, fighting against a Supreme Court judge there. They've taken on China, speaking of China again, Russia, and even countries that you wouldn't expect, Australia, New Zealand, France, Australia.

all of them coming saying, "Censor these channels. We don't like what these people are saying. They could come after you next, Vince." Maybe they already have. And Rumble every single time stares them down and says, "We will not." - Well, God bless Rumble for that. But what you're describing is all these countries, some of them in South America, but what I've detected, and maybe you could speak more on, is that it seems like a lot of countries that we think of as Western countries

are very much fighting now against civil liberties, that they're very much cracking down on free speech. They're imprisoning their political opponents. These countries are becoming hyper restrictive and don't like people exercising their voices in venues like Rumble. Yeah, that's exactly right. I mean, yes, in South America and Brazil, there's this one Supreme Court justice, Alexandre de Moraes, who wants to shut down one particular America-based

channel because he doesn't like what it says about Brazil politics. And so he wants to censor, stop people from being able to hear it in Brazil by censoring it worldwide and reach into America and override our First Amendment. But it comes from westernized country. Europe is a really prime offender. I think everybody, a lot of people are familiar with the 60 Minutes piece that ran a couple of months ago, I guess, when they had a camera accompanying German police breaking down people's doors and

because they had posted memes that people found offensive. It's illegal in Germany to insult someone.

And if you do it online, it's a worse punishment. That's insane. That's insane. The EU with this Digital Services Act that they've passed, they are trying to say that if somebody in America on Rumble or on X or on Facebook, anywhere, if somebody posts something on the internet, which of course doesn't have any borders, and it offends the sensitivities, the sensibilities of people in Europe,

that they will enact punishment against American-based speech. They cannot reach into American-based companies and override our First Amendment. They just can't do it. And so, yeah, it is a worldwide effort. It's a very authoritarian effort. You know, I think it really, it began during COVID.

And it has really just picked up steam. And maybe it wasn't the real beginning of it, but that's when it became visible, when governments actually attempting to stifle speech. And, you know, it's the 21st century. I thought we were well beyond this. But no, that's why that's why something like Rumble is so important, because if Rumble doesn't fight the fight, who's going to fight it? Yeah, no. And we see it all over the place, whether it's in the

the EU and Brussels or in like the World Economic Forum. These are all of these anti-democratic impulses. They're trying to crush free expression for global control. And this goes right back to what we started talking about, which is the president of the United States, President Trump, in both of his presidencies, he's been a forceful advocate for nationalism and standing up for the rights of your people. And by extension, JD Vance, the vice president, he went to Europe and he dressed them down for their attacks on civil liberties.

So the United States has a real opportunity here, and I think it's happening, to lead a restoration of civil liberties under the leadership of President Trump and Vice President Vance.

Now, absolutely. And J.D. Vance was dead on when he gave that speech in Europe about the Europeans. And you can tell he was right by how mad they got about it. I mean, when you point out this ludicrous, you wouldn't even really believe that these things are true. But people being arrested in England, of all places, if you want to think about Western culture, you know, the United Kingdom, England, London, England, of all places, somebody getting arrested for praying silently.

on the street. That is truly being praying silently to himself, to herself. It was a, it was a middle-aged woman that, that is truly a thought crime. There's no other way to describe it. We do not like what's going through your mind. Yeah. And therefore we're going to arrest you. I,

In England, of all things. And then when you point it out to them, the Europeans go, how dare you? Well, maybe stop acting like authoritarian autocrats. It's the country that gave us the Magna Carta.

Yes, yes. I mean, George Orwell could scarcely think of things more scary than this. Yes, yeah, for sure. Okay, before we let you go, Tim Murtaugh, I know there's one other thing that you're very focused on, and it has to do with Joe Biden and the threat that he poses, that he did pose as president, and now we have the long tails of it.

to medication in the United States. Can you tell me what the Biden pill penalty is? What is this? - Yeah, it's called the Biden pill penalty. And it was something that Biden and the Democrats inserted into the Inflation Reduction Act. And what it does is it punishes the development

of new pill form medicine. And they did this with zero Republican votes, by the way, not a single Republican voted for this. And you know what Democrats love to do? They love to pick winners and losers, and they like to use legislation to try to coerce people to behave certain ways, or they try to discourage certain behavior. So they chose to favor one class of medicines over another class.

They liked what are called the large molecule medicines were called biologics, which are basically IV drugs, mostly things that you have to go to the hospital to get through an injection of some sort. They favored those and the government price controls don't set in for them for a while, but they made the price controls sooner for pill form medicine, what are called small molecule drugs. And they're called small molecules because they can cross the blood brain barrier, which

which means that they can be used to treat mental health issues or Alzheimer's. And also, of course, we're talking about cancer drugs as well. So what that means is they favored the large molecule over pills. That means all of the research and development dollars are flooding away from pill medicines. 70% of the research dollars since this was introduced in 2021 have vanished.

from pill form medicine and they've gone somewhere else either to the large molecule ones the biologic or yeah even out of the medicinal fields like to ai or or to uh oil or something like that and the university of chicago not some fly-by-night night school here did a study and what this has resulted in in just the last four years since this came about is that 188 different either new drugs and cures or applications of existing drugs

went undiscovered because of the Biden pill penalty. And that translates into 116 million life years lost off the life expectancies of Americans who are alive today. Are they talking about, have you lost years off of your life or me or my family or your family? It's because things are not being discovered. There are new breakthroughs. Pills are

the most affordable, most comfortable thing. People can get them conveniently instead of what they're doing is forcing people not to get the drugs they need, not to have the drugs discovered that they need and force them into much more expensive things. It's bad for the entire healthcare system and makes everything more expensive. Yeah. All with zero, zero Republican votes. Congress can fix this in budget reconciliation.

They can. OK, so this would be the critical moment for them to consider it. And but here's the thing. It's like the government, every time it's put its big fat hands into the medical system, it's gotten more expensive and less healthy. That's just that's been the trend. You know, people are suffering from these chronic diseases. This is why RFK Junior's in now. This is why the president hired him to take care of this, because things have not improved yet. We spend more money on it than anything else.

Yeah, that's exactly right. And it's the way that they do it, like the Green New Deal. It's kind of a parallel to that. They force everything. They use the power of government to try to force everything towards a certain direction. And their purported purpose is, oh, we're going to do this to help the energy industry when, of course, all it does is wreck it.

And, you know, this also affects costs in medicines too because there's no motivation for companies to get in early with generic forms of medicine. And so it doesn't drive down the cost of pills that way. I mean, if you remember Lipitor, which is a cholesterol drug, now with generics in there, you can get your cholesterol drugs for pennies, really.

because of generics. This discourages generics from entering the market. So it raises costs for consumers, it hurts the entire industry, and it puts off people treating things that could be treated with pills until they need something major down the road, which is massively expensive. And you know what we actually need? The medicine fix we actually need? We need pharmaceuticals made in the United States again. No more buying from China. 90% of the generics that you just referenced either come from China or India. Enough.

Enough. Bring it back to America. So Biden is hindering all of that. Yeah, big time. And so we're still living with the consequences, unfortunately. He's still he's reaching back from his political grave. From the grave or his real grave. Who knows? Tim Murtaugh, thank you very much. Really nice to talk to you today. Thank you for all of your wisdom on this subject and so much else.

And well done for you. You're doing a great job. Thank you, Tim. Great to talk to you. This is a great Tim Murtaugh, former comms director for the Trump campaign. Nice to chat with him today. The chat appreciative of Tim's contributions here. The guy's versatile. He's covered everything for us today. Hey, let me share some great stuff with you. I really, before we close today, I do have to share some hilarious moments from the news cycle in the last 24 hours. Let me start with cut five. This is Chris Matthews.

Chris Matthews was on Morning Joe yesterday talking about Trump's tariffs. And he said, this is crazy what's happening. We were just talking with Tim Murtaugh about Canada. Matthews is saying, hey, this is crazy that Trump is imposing tariffs on places like Canada. What's going to happen if we can't get Canadian lumber? What, is America just going to make wood? Listen to Chris Matthews, who's apparently unfamiliar with something called trees.

But there's some of those things. I watched on the evening news last night, one of the other networks, and I watched the issue of lumber. Now, you see, we get so much of our lumber, our two by fours from from Canada. That's where we get it from. Canada. We get our newsprint from up there for newspapers. The fact is, we get it. What are we going to do to have more lumber made in the United States now? What is our plan now? Oh, we're not going to import wood. So we're going to make more wood. We're going to create more wood. Is that it? I don't

I don't think we're in a position to simply replicate the imports coming into this country with our own products. They can't always be done. And I think if a woods example of that wood, are we going to make more wood in this country because of our trade deal? I don't think so. Where does he think wood comes from? Where does Chris Matthews think that wood comes from? Does he?

What is he, does he think that there are like, you know, like elven creatures, fairies or something who are just conjuring wood up in Canada? What does he think this is? What comes from, I hate to break it to you, Chris. It comes from trees. We have entire states that are covered in trees. And by the way, in the United States, we have had a flourishing lumber industry and the president has been saying, we need to bring that back. We need to bring that back.

for sure. And we need American jobs to thrive. Why are we importing everything from Canada? So that's a very reasonable concern. And Chris Matthews seems to be shocked. He doesn't even, he's not even aware where wood comes from. He thinks that we need to make wood. The wood is, God takes care of that. Those are the trees, Chris Matthews. Chris Matthews. Wasn't he fired by MSNBC? Why are they still having him on? What is going on over there? Okay.

Here's another one for you. This is from the rival left-wing network, CNN. They had a town hall last night, not with anybody important, no, with Bernie flipping Sanders, and it included this really hilarious moment. Watch this.

Back with Senator Bernie Sanders. I want to introduce Grace Thomas. She's a local civil rights attorney. She's a Democrat, right? Say them pronouns, actually. Thank you. Oh, good evening, Senator Sanders. Polling and turnout data indicate that men of all racial demographics are turning away from the Democratic Party. But of course, Anderson Cooper says, what does he say? She's a civil rights attorney or whatever. And a person is clearly a woman.

Says it's they, them pronouns, actually. You see Bernie's face after that? Bernie leaned in. He was observing her like, that's a woman. I'm pretty sure that's a woman. That's Bernie's reaction. That is hilarious. I love that. The pronouns. They do this town hall and you get this woman on there who's just one of these typical left-wing, middle-aged, white lady, lefty scolds.

It was like, oh, it's they, them pronouns. No, you're a woman. It's you can't compel your language on anybody else. And Anderson Cooper and Bernie Sanders sat there and they took it. They took it. They were just like, oh, OK, whatever you want. How pathetic. How pathetic is that? The White House isn't taking it.

You see the White House, how they're handling pronouns? This is great. The White House has made an announcement that if any reporter includes pronouns in their signature when they email in their request for comment, take a look at this. Do not respond. Trump press secretary confirms they ignore reporters with pronouns in their email signatures. How fun is that?

President Trump's press secretary, Caroline Leavitt, confirmed to a New York Times reporter that it is administration policy for officials to not respond to any individuals, any reporters who have pronouns in their email.

According to the Times, Trump administration officials have repeatedly ignored their reporters' requests for comment because they have pronouns in their email signatures. Alongside Levitt, Katie Miller, a senior advisor at the Department of Government Efficiency, declined to answer another New York Times reporter's email after they reportedly included their pronouns in their signature.

Quote, as a matter of policy, I don't respond to people who use pronouns in their signatures as it shows they ignore scientific realities and therefore ignore facts. Miller responded, according to the New York Times. This applies to all reporters who have pronouns in their signature. Miller continued in a separate email. So wonderful and well-earned. The New York Times putting pronouns in their signatures and now not getting responses from the Trump administration.

If you admit in an email that you are not a fact-based person, why should I treat you as a reporter who's looking to get to the truth? If your signature includes lies, in what world would I believe that you are going to accurately purvey whatever it is that I'm about to share with you if I respond to you? So of course, if you declare that you're a liar in an email when you request comment, well, then I have no incentive to respond to you. You're not going to tell the truth.

You lied to me in this email. Amazing. So that's the Caroline Levitt's response. And it's a great policy. I love that. The White House reminding everybody that facts matter. Facts really matter. Finally, I want to end with this. I asked you earlier this week whether or not there would be an enterprising reporter who would chase down Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and ask her, do you still own your Tesla? Cut 11.

AOC chased down by a great reporter called Nicholas Balacy, who asks her straight up, do you still own the Tesla? Listen to her answer. Real quick. Do you see a connection at all between the rhetoric we're hearing from Democrats on Musk and Tesla connection to the violence at all? What's happening on the streets to Tesla dealerships? Yeah. I mean, again, like I'm,

I've seen Republicans call me communist. I hate this country. Well, those things are true. Do you still have your Tesla? I was just wondering if you still have your Tesla. For security reasons, I'm not.

For security reasons, I'm not commenting, she says. For security. So what is that? Chat, what is that answer? Is that a yes or a no? For security reasons, I'm not commenting on whether I own the Tesla. Is that a yes or a no? That's a yes. That's a yes. She still has it. Yes, she definitely does. You know, for security reasons, she can't answer that. You know what she's scared of? She doesn't want her neighbors to poop on it. Yeah.

She's got the Tesla. We have to vandalize it. Great to have you with us today. We'll keep tracking AOC and her ridiculousness and everything else going on in the world. Another great episode of Vince. Steven Crowder, up next.