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Russian Spies, Pigeons, and The Rest Is Classified…

2025/1/24
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The Rest Is History

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戈登
戴维
汤姆
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汤姆:我们这个播客将讲述间谍世界里最激动人心的故事,其中一位主播是前中央情报局分析师,现在写间谍小说,另一位主播是戈登·卡雷拉,他是BBC安全事务记者,也是一位鸽子爱好者。 我们讨论了间谍活动的重要性以及它对历史的影响。间谍活动在塑造英国机构和文化方面发挥了重要作用,从冷战到最近的乌克兰战争,间谍活动都发挥着关键作用。 我们还讨论了英国是否正在缩小与中国在鸽子通讯技术方面的差距。 戈登:我参与制作《The Rest Is Classified》播客,部分原因是通过之前的鸽子播客了解到播客的强大影响力。我们的播客涵盖了从历史到现在的各种间谍故事,例如1953年伊朗政变和MI6首任主管曼斯菲尔德·卡明的故事。我们还讲述了安娜·查普曼的故事,她是一位俄罗斯女间谍,渗透了伦敦和纽约社会。我们也会讲述戈尔杰夫斯基和瓦萨尔的故事,他们都是重要的间谍人物。间谍活动很重要,它影响历史,从冷战到最近的乌克兰战争都能看到这一点。 我们讨论了英国是否正在缩小与中国在鸽子通讯技术方面的差距,我担心英国政府并没有认真对待这个问题。 戴维:俄罗斯培养情报人员的方式与西方国家不同,他们更注重结果而非形式上的身份认定。俄罗斯对情报人员的培养方式更灵活,更注重其能否提供有价值的情报。俄罗斯间谍活动的一个特点是使用“非法身份”进行渗透。安娜·查普曼的间谍活动方式与传统的“非法身份”间谍不同,她没有隐藏自己的身份。俄罗斯过去常常使用“非法身份”间谍,但现在这种方式变得越来越困难。俄罗斯间谍活动方式的改变与技术进步和社会环境变化有关。安娜·查普曼的间谍活动代表了俄罗斯间谍活动方式的转变,他们开始利用那些已经融入西方社会的人。

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This chapter explores the rise of Londongrad and the changing nature of espionage in the early 21st century. It discusses the podcast 'The Rest is Classified' and its focus on spy stories, highlighting the role of pigeons in espionage and the 'pigeon gap.' It also touches upon the changing nature of espionage and the use of intelligence in public discourse.
  • Rise of Londongrad
  • Changing nature of espionage
  • 'The Rest is Classified' podcast
  • Role of pigeons in espionage
  • 'Pigeon gap'
  • Use of intelligence in public discourse

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How did a Russian spy manage to infiltrate the upper echelons of London and New York society? Was Anna Chapman really an old fashioned Russian honeytrap or was she underestimated by the world's press? What was life like for wealthy Russians in "Londongrad" in the early 21st century? 

The year is 2001 and the 18-year-old daughter of a Russian oligarch is partying in London. She meets a handsome young man at a warehouse rave and her passport to a new life in Western Europe glistens before her very eyes. What could possibly go wrong? Join David and Gordon as they take us back to the height of Londongrad and what happens when a Russian spy tries to infiltrate high society. 

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