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How Trump Learned to Stop Worrying and Love Bombing Iran

2025/6/24
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Dan Pfeiffer
前白宫通信主任和《Pod Save America》播客的共同主持人,专注于政治、通信和数字策略。
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John Lovett
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Jon Favreau
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Jon Lovett
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Tommy Vitor
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Jon Favreau: 我认为特朗普政府在未经国会和盟友同意的情况下,下令轰炸伊朗是违宪的,并且忽视了美国人民的意愿。虽然特朗普声称是为了阻止伊朗获得核武器,但情报显示伊朗并未实际制造核武器。而且,伊朗可能在袭击前转移了部分核材料,使得袭击的效果大打折扣。伊朗对美国在卡塔尔的军事基地进行了报复性打击,但事先通知了卡塔尔以避免局势升级。尽管如此,美国在该地区的军事基地仍处于高度戒备状态,国土安全部也发布了威胁警告。 Tommy Vitor: 我觉得特朗普发推称伊朗和以色列已达成停火协议是个好消息。伊朗对卡塔尔的袭击似乎旨在避免进一步升级,他们事先通知卡塔尔袭击,确保基地疏散和导弹防御系统准备就绪。这次事件让人想起2020年伊朗对Soleimani被刺杀的回应,当时伊朗发射导弹袭击了伊拉克基地,但特朗普利用此事缓和局势。这场战争可能很快结束,因为美国和以色列的拦截导弹以及伊朗的武器库存都快耗尽了。即使冲突结束,伊朗仍可能进行恐怖袭击、破坏石油供应或进行网络攻击,并长期追求核武器。 Dan Pfeiffer: 我认为这次事件的应对旨在避免局势升级,政治圈可能会认为特朗普是对的。但是,不能仅从短期判断,基于错误情报袭击中东国家会打开潘多拉魔盒,带来长期后果。在评价特朗普的行动是否正确之前,需要从中长期角度评估,而非仅看48小时的新闻周期。 Jon Lovett: 我认为特朗普缺乏谈判的信誉、判断力、注意力和好奇心,被一群谄媚者和怪人包围,无法解决中东问题。美国失去了信誉,偶尔的混乱行为也带来了代价。如果特朗普的计划没有按预期进行,会发生什么?这鼓励其他国家也撒谎。特朗普声称所有核设施都被完全摧毁,但军方和情报部门表示设施只是严重受损。一位美国官员表示,这次行动中最大的安全威胁是特朗普的推文。

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This chapter analyzes President Trump's decision to bomb Iran without consulting Congress or allies, highlighting the lack of transparency and potential consequences. The discussion covers the lack of imminent threat, the potential removal of nuclear material beforehand, and the uncertainty surrounding the damage assessment.
  • Trump ordered the bombing of Iran without consulting Congress or allies.
  • There was no indication of an imminent threat from Iran.
  • Iran may have removed nuclear material before the attacks.
  • The damage assessment is unclear.

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Donald Trump, without consulting Congress or United States allies, orders the military to bomb Iran, and then claims that Iran and Israel have reached a ceasefire. Military and intelligence services push back on Trump's claims that Iran's three nuclear sites have been "completely and totally obliterated." MAGA isolationists change their tone to avoid Trump's ire. Jon, Lovett, Tommy, and Dan react to all the latest, including reports that nuclear material may have been removed before the attacks, Iran's retaliatory strikes on an American military installation in Qatar, and Trump's new posts indicating he may be open to regime change. Then, the guys walk through Democrats' response to the attacks, the latest from Trump's ongoing National Guard deployment in Los Angeles, and a New York City mayoral primary that's both frustrating and exciting.