David Goggins: How to Build Immense Inner Strength
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Welcome to the huberman lab podcast, where we discuss science and science space tools for everyday life. I mander huberman and i'm a professor neurobiology and optimal gy at stanford school of medicine. My guess today is David goggins.

David organs is a retired navy seal who served in iraq and afghanistan. He's also highly accomplished ultra marathon runner. For those of you that don't know, ultra marathon ones are distances longer than twenty six miles and in David case, often longer than two hundred miles.

For his achievements in athletics, he has been inducted into the international sports hall of fame. He also held a guinness world record for the most pulpits completed in twenty four hours. I should mention that not only was David decorated navy seal, but he also graduated from army ranger school.

David is also a highly successful writer, having author two books, the first entitled to can't hurt me and the second entitled never finished, both of which are best sellers. David books cover many topics, including his autobiographical description of what can only be described as an incredibly chAllenging child and Young adults home was abusive. His school environment was abusive. He essentially had no positive resources, directed his way. And in his twenty, he found himself to be obese, that is, more than three hundred pounds, working a job he despised for minimal pay.

And IT was at that point that David began an inner dialogue that forced him to explore the demon s borne out of his childhood, but also the position that he found himself in as a Young man, and then begin the journey to navigate that dialogue and transformed himself into the navy seal, the ultramarathon runner, the best selling author in the extraordinary, ily, positive and influential man that he is today. A some of you may know David has done various public lectures. He's a familiar face online because there are so many clips of him on youtube and he has done podcast before.

However, i'm certainly you'll find today's discussion to be very different than previous podcast that David has been featured on. The reason is that, of course, we get into his accomplishments. We talk about the mindset that allowed him to achieve those things. But today, David really lets us under the hood.

He lets us into the form of inner dialogue that he has to embrace, indeed, that he has to grapple with on a daily basis, sometimes multiple times throughout the day and night, in order to impose the sort of self discipline that he is so well known for. We also get into some of the scientific mechanisms underlying whilst wer, and we talk about David's current endeavors that include, for instance, his own exploration of science and medicine, for which he has become an intense scholar and practitioner. I should mention that multiple times throughout today's discussion, you will hear curse words.

Now, David and I both acknowledge that cursing isn't for everybody, and that cursing itself is different than nursing at somebody none's. We do realize that many people, parents perhaps especially, might not want to hear cursing. If you don't want to hear cursing, well, then this podcast episode, probably not for you.

However, if you are comfortable with cursing, or if you can tolerate IT, I assure you today's discussion is highly worthwhile. Before we begin, i'd like emphasize that this podcast is separate from my teaching and researchers at stanford. IT is, however, part of my desire and effort to bring zero cost to consumer information about science and science related tools to the general public.

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welcome no man to see .

you again. Great to see you. IT was late twenty sixteen, early twenty seventeen ably, when you were in my lab at stanford. Yes, sir, we deal work later that that day down to cino z and gosh, see you everywhere, but it's not enough .

so it's great to have you here. Thanks for help me.

bro. Yeah, you embody discipline and doing hard things, I think just start right off. Go there. The but right before we went hot mikes.

right, we were .

talking about learning right right now you're spending some time learning and doing things that I think most people probably don't typically associate .

David s about at me as the guy that runs and yells as he's running and as a well, I do that you know, to motivate people, but people don't understand that my day has broken up into segments. I work out, I eat, I sleep. But I been most of my time studying.

So like i'm in the medical world, i'm you know paramedic in on canada, but I spent a lot of my time trying to look every single thing about IT because i'm not trying to just be a paramedic. C learn about veins and other reason, how the heart pumps and stuff like that. I'm trying to learn to the point where I can say someone's life. And even though party mix are doing that all over the world, i'm trying to be that paramedic that can really dissect exactly was going on and figure out, you know what medication goes where, trying to know, trying to know the algorithm of was gone on. So I spend a lot time with IT.

I love the word algorithm because when I teach biology or trying to learn anything that's related to biology, especially the human body, right I need to know the nouns yeah but it's the verbs that matter and that's really what you're talking about. Like like just saying that that sits there that brain part there doesn't tell you what how IT all works together.

So what is your process for studying? Look like like we dropped A, A, A, A camera, a in the room, but a microphone into that, into your inner dialogue. Gosh, when we all love that.

But if we drop a micron in your inner dialogue, you're waking up, looking at the books and going, yes, fresh day, let's learn. Or is some of the same resistance that you've talked about coming up around physical work? Is that coming up from time to time?

You know what? I was nervous at first. I to keep the mother, I keep IT real. I'm too real. So i'm not a real smart guy. And when I mean by that is out borne A D D, A D, H D, or my brain cannot retain information. I'm not some genetic frequent IT comes to run IT comes to living with and I am absolutely the blame of the and people will never believe me and they can just, you know, whatever believe what you want to believe. So we ask this question about what this study look like for me.

I have to go over the same page over and over and over and over again while general er can look at their page while she's, you know, cozy me, she'll learn IT right? And as she's just not anything about IT, SHE would quiz herself or quiz me and learn IT, as you quiz on me is the most frustrating thing in the world, how my brain works. So what I, so what I do is I really sit there with the pinion paper, and I have my books, and I go through how to write everything down.

Every single day I will study the same patient till its photographic memory from writing the same thing down. And then from there, i'll go back through and we learned again. So i'll learn the bulk of IT.

But then I go through and learn the small things within that. So if it's a medication, I learn with the medication. Does our first I learned how to even say that medication, because these medications don't like, you know, like how beautiful now is very big word.

So i'll go to you, learn how to say the name now, go through, learn with the doses they are. Go through in this, like every single days night. Oh, I got IT. Let is go to, no, nothing is I got IT every single thing as. So I, I, I can't wait to get this converse, because everything I do in life IT sucks.

Everything I do in life is sucks as why when I was to your pounds in twenty four years old, IT would like has some bigger pii of, let's just go be a native seal, let's lose some weight. No, I knew my entire life. Was gonna be a struggle.

This is why I just ignore red IT that I said i'm not even trying to jump off into this shit and learn how to read, how to write, how to memorize, how to become something I am not. But through that process, some happened me. And I realize that this way, I feel sorry for no one in this podcast.

They're going to really not like me because people are going to think that I am maybe lie, or maybe fifteen, or exaggerating. No, I am early. I was the lowest form on earth, no talent, no ability to learn.

And I clearly know what that is, a rock bottom to build that up. So that question about learning is a pain in my ass, and I don't have to do IT to think about. And forty nine years old, in a more time, millie, I don't have to do anything.

So I thought about not drawing up. Man, I can't wait to one day. Gets a point.

Ran no longer have to do this stuff. But what happens? I get older. IT became a way of living. So how I do everyday is how I do everyday, I say, is a discipline, is a regime, is a, is IT was a choice I made.

And the choice I made was, what are you willing to sacrifice and what are you willing to give up to find every bit of who you are, human being? And I was want to give everything to do that. So studying is no joke. I love that .

you're studying. I recall a few years ago, I heard a some interview or podcast with you, and you just throw out like, I don't know what i'll do next, maybe i'll be a scientist. And I went, yeah, I was like, because I knew, because I know you a bit and I see your work out there.

But we would met before that if you decided that you were going to do IT right? And learning medicine, which is what you're doing, right? Learning human physiology.

IT is so detailed and people uh out there have to understand when you look at a textbook and you see the the veins in the capital, different colors in the the bodies open. They're not different colors. They are not.

So I mean, some things are at different color contrast. It's not like it's all labeled when you pop IT over exactly. And so so the process of writing things down by hand is important. You do you so you go back and read those notes. Do you think about that stuff on your runs two, or you segmenting your day, like when you're done studying, are you heading out for a run and thinking about other things? Or are you still researching the material on your head?

So when I write IT down, I write IT down and i'm able to i'm actually looking down at this table and I can i'm back to write so i'm maxi there. When I am speaking to you, I write IT down in a way that are memorizing page sixty nine. So i'm write IT down and write in IT down in that pay sink together, my brain.

So i'm looking at the book in my brain right now. So like this is how works for me. And I have to do IT over and over again for that page is stuck in my mind on early flip in two pages as i'm taking these tests and i'm taking these national test to become a parameter or become a advanced t whatever i'm nearly as i'm taking that test, i'm going through.

I'm like. Now flip in pays in my head and where I pace was and how I do that is just from how I how I write IT and how was on the page when I run. I can't recall any of that.

I can not. I can not bring any of that because i'm running. How my mind is wire now is that everything I do is what I do because the focus IT takes for me to like right now i'm running.

I'm not like a great runner. I'm not like injury free. So like my first twenty minutes to run, i'm limping. I'm literally limping because i've had severely y surgeries and my body was twisted and so now was untwisting.

So people looking on, just like he's let me know I living when you runs, I am liming when I run, my body jacked ups on focusing on how to get the best. I have a broken body. So everything I do, it's a total focus on what i'm doing at that at that point in my life.

So that seems like you really trained away or somehow gotten away from the A, D D that you mention because what you d describe this as like a deep trench, like A V shape trench, I imagine like there's a ball bearing and I can only go forward in that trench, right? We're back and he is forward. There's not like slide around at the like concave at the bottle, like attention. So it's like you've trained that up. Is there a similar feeling when you're in the full focus of running versus full focus of studying as I can feel like, oh yeah, that's the same groove but different thing? Or is that just completely different world?

Is a completely different world complete? Like is just both them from me is is suffering, but suffering whole different way. Like when I was going to school and forget, I think I was in third grade and back in, you know, A D H D.

Like, you know, here's this medicine, here's this thing they want to put you in a special school. So for me, I was so far behind and learning that their big thing was less is put him in a special school because they'll never learn. And through that process of like I don't want na be in a special school, I don't want to be treated any differently IT really like I never took medication.

I've never take a medication for this. That's right now. You see me look right in your eyes.

What the hell is you same right now? And that's why don't feel bad for people who have A D H D, who have learned the stabilities. And some are impossible because you just can't, but a lot of them you can.

And but people don't want to to go through the process of focus, of teaching yourself how to truly focus. This is where my message gets lost. IT gets lost because I may say, you know, M, F or f, well, you know, I maybe because that's the passion that comes out to me, because that's IT takes everything for me to learn a sentence.

So when I speak about David gags, I can speak about David gags in a way there's just come and cool, because when I wake up, I know the journey that takes for me to find my greatness and is hard. Every nothing is easy. Nothing just like, oh, I wake up and I just do this.

I do that. I just, no, I watch people every day go to life and is so easy for me to be where I met today. IT takes every bit of me.

So when I speak about IT and I get going on here, you'll start seeing me, the title will rise, the passion will come out because i'm back there. I'm doing what I do every day to become a human being. So nothing is easy, like running is, running is sucks, but you have a choice to make.

Do you want to sit down and go back to that guy you once were? No, so this is what IT takes. This IT IT takes that misunderstanding of people.

And they're never get IT because they're never David garages. So that is what IT takes for me to do. I do IT may take you something differently.

So for me, everything has to be in the study. Everything has to be into this. Everything has be everywhere I am, has to be there. Me, focus rym, that's why you're my second pockets.

Are dance this? Rogan, as the book came out, I don't have time for that shit, because if I want to be great, i'm not trying to maximize money or maximize people knowing me. I do these things because maybe someone out there will understand me and get IT and say I can from this guy and others just won.

Sounds like friction is something you're very familiar with. I just as the world just I feel like it's like cast above us right now and highlighted, underlined like you're you're up in the morning and I imagine David gans going to the coffee maker stretch now good morning, sunshine. And you're telling me from I lids open.

there's friction. Yes, and that is the thing that people know they are fucking get. The biggest misunderstand about David gaga of all time is like whether you believe in god, I do.

He put this labour at, which is me on this planet, is to let me fuck and see, would a beat up, abused kid who has, who can barely learn, barely learn, who has a twisted body, mess up, mess up. Genetics sicle sell this in APP. Let me give him everything.

That premier disqualifies you from the military. But back then I was extras and and let's put a minutes and see what comes out of IT. So to do that friction, you don't wake up in the morning time to go to coffee maker.

Fact, sometimes when you sleep would IT requires is when I met, two clock is two clock in the morning, and my brain is thinking about a fucker and drug, and I got ta get up and look in my book. They see that drug is how I remember IT. And this is every day of my fucking life that I trained a fighter or I trained.

So I, you have no fucking idea. I great. You really are, because you are using such minimal, minimal of what you have. And if people can learn to focus, this was passed.

While IT may not be pretty like people want to do document on me, I could know I want to do duck miami because I will have Normal everyday people picking me apart on. His life is miserable. Who wants to live like that? He looks is crazy.

How he, someone like sick, psychotic. The most first in the world for me is when Normal people judge a man like myself. And what IT really takes to extract greatness from nothing, IT takes every bit of who you are.

If you choose that out. If you don't, merry Christmas, do what you got to do but yeah, all these things for me like like I told me i'm i'm keep real. I am not coming here to talk about like, you know, performed that purpose because I go through when I write these books, I go through and try I dumped down.

David goes, how can I give Normal people? Not Normal, but I found something that most don't wanted fed. How can I speak to people? Give them something from this crazy, psychotic brain that i've developed? How can I give them that? So I sit down with gene for for years and write down, perform our purpose, calls your mind ARM your mind the cookie jar, the account billiam or shit that people can fuck and use in their lives.

No, no, i'm glad that helps you. But the barbering life that I live, that you have to leave, the almost obsession that you must have to be great. You can put the ship of work well.

You can put a book can. You can't write about IT. IT has to be experiences. He has to be experienced. And you can't, even if you experience IT, to write in the book, IT would seem like he should be locked up.

This too is too good that makes sense for a gather everything every second day he is trying to extract more from something he's constantly think he's constantly discipline, never going off the path. Whatever is injured him, he figures away, is a conquer mindset. And very few people of any can really understand what that is like. Almost fifty, and i've been this way for most thirty years, like we do for fun. You you never these questions I don't I don't get, I don't understand, I don't so yeah I get asset .

sometimes when you for fine to start listen off all the stuff like podcast in reading I were working out, but so some of that resonates. But I think what's so truly unusual about what you're describing your process is that you know from go, it's hard. Yes, and I have to ask, was being three hundred pounds having accent? I'm using the words you have described. You said IT before you had a tendency at one point your life early on, tel lives, trying to get people's approval, crazy haircuts, attention seeking and and yet all of that triggered something that now is, you is extraordinary. Do you think those hardships were necessary to flip the switch?

I don't know. They are necessary, but IT was something that made me feel I can feel good, easy. The brain that I was given as a child, IT was easy to go home and think about how do I wants to be a freak today, how the one one shopped to school today and be a freak.

I didn't require me going home and open a book up safe. It's good. Take me all year to learn this fun page. So instead of learn that page, I learned how to become a character. And maybe that character that I created, that three hundred pound in secure guide that used to fake, fake IT to make IT type a guy. You know, let me become your friend.

Let me let you, until you, like me, type a guy when when you have any kind of any mayhood women hood, a human being, a soul spirit, any I had, no, I I must say this, this much pride, because that's exactly. We open the door for me, because every day you were a character, every day you are a clown, every day you open that spanness broker, that science broker, english broken. You likely look, that is like, look like a foreign language.

And you're said, would I start? when? Who do I start? And O, B, C was necessary, the more I talk about IT was necessary. Because what happened as I became haunted by the mirror fact that this is my existence and you get to live with with that, live there for a lot of years. And I said back and said, okay, right, I know what this takes.

And when you sit back as fucked up as I was, and I had a laundry list, a table like this of what I have to do to become just a human being that can make ins me, that can make a thousand dollars a not just to get there was like, oh my god, do you like, how did i'm sixteen? seventeen? I can't read, I can write and I, oh my god.

I'm so behind the power curve. And my brain is about being depressed in my dad be. My mom is now home and kids are call me negra at school and i'm like, oh my god, with the fuck do I do and won't like someone came around is said, hi man, you can do this this all me so people know worse this code may I come from?

I'm not trying to be cold is the reality of my life, is the reality of a lot of people's lives. And so, yeah, that had to happen for me to be haunted, to be haunted, to pull out, to extract the gather in the day that hosting is upness still there today. Because no matter how much you improve, no matter how much you change who you are, it's not permanent.

You just wake up and say, oh my god, my, 就是 your David gaga。 And you break records. You do this, you do that.

People to know how you, how are you able to just be so hard can never turn a fucking thing off, because once IT turns off, I will write back to the David gaga as that is. And that's the guy that i'm constantly fighting everyday. And it's a choice.

And that choice makes you misunderstood IT makes you crazy as why I hate fucking in social media. In two thousand and thirteen, people want me to write my book. I did IT in two thousand. Eighteen took five years.

In the reason why I didn't do IT, I set the table on Jennifer was there is before I I I should start work for me I start date, whatever and all these people were there and like me, you get a go on social media and I like fucker you man but i'm not is poison, is poison because I knew what I did to get right um and then we had these people, these Normal everyday people, fat, lazy is exactly who I was judging me because I know IT because I was once them all my hard work on my delicate, I have so Normal. Dude, his little Brown, he's low. Dg, on how how twinkly sit there with his coffee picking me apart at h, he must be unhappy.

He, do you know how hard is put these shoes on every day morning and we have you take me apart? So yeah, there's there's, there's so much that goes into this. There was, I think this, I never want anything to do that. So anyway, i'm not .

psychologist, but knowing your story from what you written, what you said on social media also wear podcast. And here now, especially right? It's amazing to me. And Frankly, IT pulls in my heart strings a little bit. I realize that not where you're trying to do, but that in the course of your childhood and in your Young adult hood that no one ever got between you in the world, I forget where I heard that that like if a kid has just one person that believes in them, you know, and I had my trials, tribulations, but I had great coaches, great mentors. I attached to them, and I found them if they didn't necessary find me. But i'm realizing that your situation was, no one's ever said, hey, i'm going to stand here next to you or get in front of you, put a shield up and so it's almost like you got these different very is all you but there's a version of yourself that like you knew social media like I don't know that I have to wear with all in twenty thirteen and fourteen and fifteen, sixteen, seventeen to get in front of myself while doing all this because i've already got so much going on here. right?

Is that about right? That is right. But I not a lot of anger and I still have IT IT will never go away for the Normal human beings in this world because when you put yourself in the school like I was in in, please, if someone save me, come out in, announced to the world, there's no one, there's no one.

So when you know that, and then i'm a sin in the table with all these smart people tell me what to do and shit and guiding me through my life. Now when i'm forty, fucked in years old now two and forty seven years old and forty nine, i'm looking at all and they're now trying to guide me on which right on this poison. And so yeah, what you say is right.

But for me, IT was more of, I know now I don't need you to guide my future, I know, was good for me and was bad for me. And for me, IT took every bit of focus. I couldn't know social media.

I said, people love to go on there because they wanna show you the good side of life. I'm a teaching good side of life. So I didn't figure out a way when I came on to us, and sixteen, I teach, knew what life really is for the majority of us is hell.

And so, well, people love to show you the cars in the house, in the vacations and ship. All that's good, all that's happy. I will show you, decide, I know what you're going through.

And people hide very well. I don't wanna hide you more. I hate for twenty four fucking years.

That's why now I told you really in we have been one because as human beings, the one, the first we had to learn also study real bag growing up. So we hear me study ever now then is because that was part of my life also. So it's funny.

Human beings will show the best side, and they want to hide. The worst side for me will teach you how to be vulnerable. To ask you only way you fix yourself, you will fix yourself.

I coming out here, they may someone use some folking books. That's why I don't have him. I forgotten. I'm glad people get something from the book. I want you to learn that the only way you grow is how to look at yourself.

And okay, like I did table long in the ism with the fuck I have to do to get somewhere. There is nothing good on there. Nothing you.

I look playing the basketball. I left that out as someone I love to do. I don't care about that that to make the fucking in list because the list that I had a lip I was a, was a very list.

I was to give me at this table with you, to talk to you to the Normal human beings was I once was about how you can get somewhere. And how IT looks looks very ugly. There's no fuck impassion fucking in motivation.

There's no, oh my god, and I fuck this is no. It's every day of your life just doing. No passion, no discipline, no motivation, all these words, I hate people, I hate that so many people fuck can use these words.

That, because is watered, is someone sitting in the room by themselves, and they figure themselves out as a god. This is gonna fuck and suck. Where is passion when you do on your pounds? Where is the motivation when you can't read? And right? Where's IT? So how this happen? I just fucking did.

And I did. I said, maybe it's end of this journey. We'll be something there for me.

If not, I can read. If not, on one hundred eighty five fucking compounds there there, there is no magic portion. There's no all the me.

Wake up in. Look at some shit. Now, our words are overused, the bullshit.

So bullshit just do you're living? How do you want to live? How do you want to die? How do you want to fuck and be? Remember, red, that's that's IT is IT period.

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Yes, I think it's such a powerful word, you, because I was about to say that seems like a huge party or process. Maybe the entire process is its all stick, no Carry, know about the Carry, the positive thing and then there's the stick. The thing you're trying to avoid, you feel like it's the way it's landing for me is it's all stick in gas panel.

There's no carrot you're not imagining oh, when i'm a parameter when the book is published and obviously, you set those goals and you make those targets, but it's all stick, all stick. No cry. Think about that.

I'm waking up bright now studying like every test tomorrow. I repair the test. Think about that every day in my life. That's what I must do just to retain what I learned four hours plus a day. I go through new that there's no stick or there's only a stick.

They're never been a cared, which is why when I speak to people, I have to figure out a way to resonate with them because all I, anna say to them is let me teach you the real life how really is the reason are you loser and the reason why you're not fucking y making IT in the reason you're trying to go through all I got all these fucking conventions, speak all the fucker time, are looking in the flugge as these people sign up, sign up, sign up fucking every year to go to convention. Think they're going to learn something fucking different no, you're lazy. You know exactly what to do, exactly what to do because even me in my state of I can't read the right.

I knew exactly what to do IT just sucks doing IT IT sucks to do IT IT sucks to wake up every morning of your life and say, god, man, i'm not smart. So guess what I got? Do I gotta study the same shit that I get with the highest scores in the nation on? And due again, due again, due again.

That is there. That is there permanently for me. So yeah, it's all stick. It's all stick.

The only care you have is like maybe maybe because we never take these test their real hard. The back of my brain is like the good chance you not make a gosip. They say you grow is like you you weren't born like this is like you.

The real you grow study. All you want to put the second APP fucked. And computer comes on with her pity questions. It's a human somehow comes back a past, past again, past again. But that rule me back here.

Every fun time is saying you grow as you and I have to out work that voice, when i'm taking that test, I get to a quest, I don't fucked and know the answer, my fuck man. And then says that I told you, man, then I do, you do your pounds and you said, at home, we figure out how to do you here, as would you do. How to come to school with the reverse board, is when your sixteen, that's that's you.

So there is no good idea of free card. This is why I says stayed, because when you weren't given the gifts, the only thing you can do in life is stayed. And I know people cannot stand me.

They can stand this talk. This is all you can do. There's no magic pill or a magic potion. All you can do is out work, the man that god created, or woman in you. And what that looks like is, i'm fine.

That's why I said do not do a dark menu on me because people will not see the truth. They will see what they wanted. See, I don't want to live like that.

Good, good. And you will live exactly where you live now, questioning who you are, wondering what is possible, wondering what you are capable of doing. That's how that looks.

Or you can be me. What am I happy? No, no.

If we thought about IT don't really care about IT, because all I really cared about, we are looking at that fucking men. I saw a piece ship. Happiness wasn't on the mirror at sixteen or around japan.

He wasn't. I'm looking for happiness now. I'm looking, looking at myself for the amErica are my folky day in the day, your bad boy, because as IT sucks, they have about a couple minutes of that got to care.

Second, they are a good bit to care gone because i'm waking up all the night to check the work I did that day. I get this drug right. I get this right.

I get that right. Would I do? Oh my god, fuck i'm, i'm, i'm very losing IT stick that sticks .

haunting you how to following you around so no picture of Jordan on the wall you not listen to youtube inspiration video. Those be all of your voice saying way you're not listening to your top ten favorite songs just to get rolling. And then lay the shoes, hit the books here.

It's all in here on there. I used to do that when I was fat. Rocky and me know that was my thing. Around four team was my thing.

And as I get older and older and older, that started to go away and I started to create at all these people they used to watch. Rocky was won born the liars from patoo um jack from a few good men. You know, he's understand going crazy.

I saw all of these characters that I looked at 是， i get not that, but they were characters after a while. I live the life so disciplined that everybody that I once look to, the bate characters, I built that as a man. And when I was Younger, I had this image in my mind of what does a man look like to me.

And I got all these people who are bad as his characters. And in my mind I became that. And that's what keep me going a lot with.

I had this pipe dream of becoming a little bit of this, a little bit of that, because when you have no parents race in you and you have no role models growing up, u, it's not daydreaming. You start to create a reality that. Maybe I can be that.

And after becoming this guy, that is the biggest thing I can never do my life. As I became that guy that I once looked at, this guy is, now look at myself. I got, who the fuck can do that? A but what IT takes is A A discipline that no one can ever even they don't.

They don't understand that. They don't understand. Everybody has the ability to do IT, but they just don't want you.

They will keep asking questions and keep going similar. And the greatness is writing you. That's why, once again, i'll says a million times here, I do not feel sorry for you.

I will not sugar coat when i'm gonna say to you, because all of you know what i'm saying is the truth. Everybody knows the true. This will looks like.

And you know too, you know too, this will if if you have got nothing, I hate to say, but that looks like is ugly. It's not documentation, is not A S, B O. special.

You think a wash him and you guys got watch this. No is like, oh god, this looks like a train, like a nightman looks like this guy get. no.

So what looks like hard work looks horrible. Not motivating. It's not motivating at all. It's like rocky around fourteenthat's not down to that.

This to Apollo de IT looks like a man being stuck in a fucking in danger and there's no flock way out. But you have the fuck and key, but you refuse to use IT and that's not motivated about that. So yes, no documents in on David garages.

The real life David alias is is the documentary. It's it's already been written. You're IT right. Yeah i'm assure a little neuroscience to bit, but I think it's one that you appreciate. Most people don't know this, but there's a brain structure called the ante middle ulic cortex we point out before that's a name.

It's a name that doesn't mean anything we could call IT the the cookie monster, right? But what's interesting about this brain area is there now a lot of data in humans, not some mouse study, showing that when people do something they don't want to do, like add three hours of exercise per day or per week, or when people who are trying to die and lose weight resist eating something, right, when people do anything that they, and this is the important part that they don't want to do. It's not about adding more work.

It's about adding more work that you don't want to do. This brain area gets bigger now. Now here's what's especially interesting about this brain area to me.

And by the way, i'm only learning this recently because it's new data, but there's a lot of IT. The enter is singular, cortex is smaller and obese people IT gets bigger when they die. IT it's larger.

And athletes.

it's especially large or grows larger. In people that see themselves as chAllenging, overcome some chAllenge, right? And in people that live a very long time, this area keeps its size. In many ways, scientists are starting to think of the enter made singular cortex, not just as one of the seats of whilst wer right, but perhaps actually the seat of the will to live.

We're talking.

And when I learned about the enter mid the core, tex, I was like, almost out of my seat. And i've been in the news science games, so I was, and I was so punk, because i've heard of the a migdal year. Prefrontal cortex is planning and action.

I could tell you every brain area and every. I teach her neuroanatomy magical students. But when I started seeing the date on the enter amid singular cortex, I was like, wow, this is interesting.

And all the data point to the fact that we can build this area up, but that as quickly as we build IT up, if we don't continue to invest in things that are hard for us that we don't want to do, that's the part that feel so gagging ice to me that we don't want to do. Like if you love the ice bath, yeah, love the ice bath and you go from one minute to ten minutes, guess what? Your enter missing.

You like cortex did not grow. No, but if you hate the cold water, if you're afraid of drowning and you get into water and put your head under, then your enter and survive, then the enter missing little cortex gets bigger. But if you don't do with the next day, or if you do at the next day and you enjoy IT because, hey, I did IT yesterday.

You happy me merry Christmas. Is you? Mas, yes. What the enter missing like cortex shrink again? yeah. To me, this is one of the most important discoveries that neuroscience has ever made because it's that I don't want to do something, but do IT anyway, that grows this area. And it's almost like I have a friend.

He's been sober thirty years from alcohol, and he always says, you know, the amazing thing about addiction is there's a cure. The promise IT only works one day at at a time now. And so you have to renew IT everyday, right? So the answer, missing the cortex to me.

When I learned about IT, two, two things went off in my head. Wow, this is super interesting. And two, I got, and I waited until now to tell you, because I felt like, well, for obvious ous reasons, I want to tell you.

and I want to tell you here, well, I love that because that I ve lived my entire life. Annoying thing about that, but people will make you have such a strong will, is something that you build like, I never forget, is on a pocket one time. And this do goes, you were blessed a strong mind like.

To tell you time about to blessing a strong mind, you, that's something that you have to develop. You developed that over years, decades of suffering and going back into the suffer. That's why a lot of people who graduate navy still dream.

They will know, like IT, might I talk about very opening time, a lot of guys don't go don't want go back into that water. They want to go back into the hard stuff, and maybe not in day. Anything hard, anything hard in life, what do you get through IT is like you become A P O W.

Like how P O W, you know, want to go back to P O W camp. None when some sucks so bad in life. This is on this that we're talking about now.

Very few people to go back. They're happy. They graduated.

I realized i'm the same way. I don't want to go back. I have to go back.

I must go back because that is exactly where all the knowledge of my life exists with back there in which you exactly talking about, why are you know anything about this? But how I grew a will was kinda doing these things to now is his life. I wake up.

What still sucks is just life. You don't sit back and like, oh my god. Like, I have days I don't want to do, but I know i'm going to do IT.

I know from years of just doing that so that that's that's beautiful this way. I came on here with you today. I'm glad you're talking about this because human beings need to hear this.

Then you stop hearing these hacks on this in that there's no fucking hack though there's no fucking hack. Yeah, you made this in that and some all the shit that yeah is great. There is no fucking in life hack to grow that thing.

How do you grow IT? Do IT and do IT and do IT and do IT. That's the hack. The hack is got fucked and sock and that's what I realized, that I realized life. That's why I wanted come on here day, I do not come on here top.

I no fucking and passion in purpose and how to get the fuck out of band, how to hit a fucked in a long clock, all this catch phrase, bulls shit. Because that wasn't how I lived, was how I lived. I lived, I woke up like every human being does and close fuck men.

I'm a fucked in peace ship today. I have the help. This can work out for me. And you fight that and you fight that. You don't overwriting no overwrite button is the conversation in your fucking on in your head.

So how you do that, we don't have enough these conversations about the real conversation that every human being is having, and they have no idea to get up. What I do is that shit right there. man.

You have build your will. How you build your will. Exactly what you said. Man, exactly.

He said, I feel like knowing the name of something anti a mid singular cortex doesn't fundamentally change us. But one thing I like about biology is that will power if somebody feels they don't have IT feels like this thing that other people have. But everybody, unless their brain damaged like a hole right through their head, has to enter my single cortex one on each side of the rain.

Everyone has one. They have two. So I feel like it's just a question of opening the portal and the portal what I again, I sent to, say, ten times.

And forgive me, as I think people go, oh, I do hard things. I do sets to failure. And then I do four straps.

I love training with weights. I love doing sets to failure. I even like four strips, but guess what? I like four strips. So I, i'll tell you, they don't build my anti mits in the, because I like to do IT. right?

Anything you like to do is not to enhance this aspect of will power and IT seems so obvious one to hear you can go. But of course, but I think you really close that loop for people when you share what you're sharing today and what you share IT elsewhere before as well when you're trying to explain the friction is the critical ingredient, right? And I think people think all of its effort well, then i'm getting Better.

That's part of IT necessary but not sufficient, as we say, insight. But the socks part, the haunt, being haunted, the stick there are really unpleasant terms. There are, by the most unpleasant terms we've ever used on this podcast.

Those are the, those are the levers, those are the ears. And without those, this thing you're talking about, David garages as a verb, right? You know, I sometimes make a joke, but it's not a joke, right? Gog's is a name and is a verb.

People of god s that, right? right. But that's, I think again, on my psychologist.

I think that's what you're talking about. The stick, the friction being haunted. It's the sock part that grows this entire ment singular cortex.

So now you know why there's so many people that have failed in this world. They figure out their purpose, their purpose in life. Where do I go? Because to grow that.

Well, you may not look like me how my digit life looks. I don't look fine, don't look fun. So is a choice that people have to make in life.

But was so funny about IT is even the Richard of rich, who are everything? They always asked me this question, I feel like i'm missing something. I feel like I miss and shit.

I'll have what you all have, but you're never in my life here. Me tell you, I missing something everybody is to miss in this feeling. I found IT long time ago.

I found IT right there. And that will pass them when you nothing, nothing and changes of into something like me, you call a happiness peace, where the fucking you anna call IT. People are missing exactly what went on with David gaga.

S, why was you smile? I do, I do. But I figured something out. That's why I never, you never hear me say I missing something I found years ago.

You find IT in the sock, you find in the suck, and you find IT repeatedly in the suck, to the point where you know exactly who you are. Most people are missing something because they don't know who they are. They never examine himself.

They've never done this experiment on themselves. The elaborate were all laboratory, but you also the scientist. You create your own self.

Most people are missing something because you so much trapped in there. I want, I say potential. I think we use out too much too. There's so much in you that god will help you believe in.

Or if you are atheist in you that you have not an unlocked, that you walk around this gorgeous wife for a great husband, all this money like god, I like I missing some yeah, because is about seventy five percent of you is still fucking in there, still chained up because you just didn't want to find your real power, didn't want to find your soul. You will, your heart, your determination, your gut, your courage. And what that looks like IT looks scary, like you're look scary labor, scary to make everyday.

I say i'm stupid, but figure out a way to be smarter. Where is the same man? I can do that.

So you limit this box so your box becomes so small of things. You can do my box when box IT was a fucking role, like low pino. And then to examine in myself getting some willows, some courage, IT became bigger, this table.

But as we all do as well, I want to come here today and talk to you about real shit. Not no fucking like hacks. There's no hacks.

Well, is you against you? You against you? And if you misunderstand that, even a real problem, real problem, I understand, you misunderstand me, run on the street short off you.

I can get IT. I get IT. If you misunderstand, saying right now, today, the problem is you and you don't want to fix IT.

But the children of wealthy people are a case study in how not having enough friction can destroy your life. And I mean, I could list of prominent names in the press, but those are actually the least interesting.

What's probably more interesting as an example, as all the ones we don't hear about because we never hear about him, right? They just dwindle in whether or I think there's a big category of people on realizing as we have this conversation today that they're not super successful, they're not struggling, they're like successful enough that they never have to that you can get to the point where you don't have to impose friction. You've and said, IT, right? Your bank account is in a place where you don't really need to do all the things you do.

probably not even a small .

fraction of right, but you realized the stick. And being haunted is the the fuel in the engine, right? And you will be you'll be truly crazy to give that up because you you've internalized all that right. But most people, they're they're good enough for them here. And so they don't actually want to be Better battery enough in order to start going wrong after wrong.

Well, think about when you build build power and think about how much i've built, not that you know about this, this I didn't know about, but think about how much i've built, everything i've ever done in my life. I didn't want to do everything every day. I'm a lazy piece of shit and I want the hardest working people say, ever step for plant earth.

And i'm saying they're very proud because I know what I do not cock. I tell you on stupid. And I also tell you the exact opposite.

What i've done is the truth. IT is the truth. So imagine how much i've developed in that time from. But this is scary thing. Why most people don't want to do that, you build that will power, is because this scary IT don't likes a whole bunch of things about who you are, who you're not.

And a lot people, we don't want to go down that journey to discover who they are, who they are not because it's it's not a pretty journey. I mean, i've gone down IT is not like I went down at once. I go down IT all the time and when you unlocked that and you can't church off like people say, hey, how can we haven't target IT? I built all this will power.

Do you think it's could let me just retire? Because my, my, my niece hurt is telling me, every morning I wake up, my man out, my knee heard, my, my leg at my body hurts, but you can still run. So why are you running if you can still run? It'll be a time when you can listen up anymore, but you can still run.

So I still run when the time comes. I can't run, the body will say you just can't run. But if I can still do something that will power that I have created, IT makes me do IT every fucking day.

And that's what they don't get. What builds a human being if you start with a small building blocks. And before you know, when you become something that you IT does make sense to most people, because it's just who you are.

Now that's why I can still run at fifty with a now would broke down knees and broke down body, because nobody knows you still can. Therefore I do. Second, you stop that.

The whilst wer is gone. And that's beautiful. So glad you brought that to me, because I always wonder what this separation thing.

Now, at twenty four years old, I started building sub that I D even know was gonna, where IT is now for you night. And that's all IT was. Was this that this structure .

entering my singular ate cortex, has inputs and outputs from a bunch of places. But you'll probably be surprised to learn that it's strongly activated when we move our body, when we don't want to move our body. Well, I feel like it's like the David gardens structure right now.

IT is and IT also has strong connections to the dopamine reward pathway. And everyone goes, yeah dopamine everyone loves is dopamine and partially responsible for people knowing a bit more about dolph in. But dopamine e is badly understood.

Everyone thinks dopamine and dopamine e hits about reward. It's about motivation and drive. And there are pain inputs to the dopamine e centers of the grain.

No one talks about that room. I got, you want the chocolate? You know, chocolate? sex? cocaine? Yeah, that's all true.

right? Released open in pain releases, doping the enter midi uic cortex can trigger the release of dopamine in in response to this thing that we're calling friction. And that's a learned thing that something that no animal or human being comes into the world learning.

We all are averse to pain. And like pleasure, like sugar, fat don't like hot surfaces, right? But this is a structure that learns IT has neural plasticity, the ability to change throughout the entire life span.

And here's the part that I think, again, this is just narrow nerd speak for. What you already know and have done and exemplify is that people say, oh, as plasticity you can change IT. I guess what has plasticity in both directions? IT can grow, but just as easily as I can grow.

It's like silly party. IT can shrink, right? So IT requires constant upkeep, right?

And that answer is in one that people are going to like, you know, they like, give me the energy drink, give me the supplement, give me the, give me the song of protocol. It's kind of big bianet with cortex. Someone out there right now is going weight.

If I took transforming my estime lation and I yeah you've probably actually you've done that. They've suckle a wire during neurosurgery into this structure is actually discovered by A A colleague of mine. Joke, easy, stimulate and the patients go, I feel like there's a storm coming and they go away.

It's scary and they go, no, I want to to go through IT. They come off the stimulation, and people like this is the sea of what we're talking about, right? exactly.

And IT learns. So the fact that you kept this brain structure, i'm convinced if we image your brain, be large and IT, would be larger in two years, in a year. But this is the no days off rational because they can grow in a can trick.

I know was your saying right now, I didn't know india this and I never I always told you, but I I wish I could just put this on paper and you're saying that in a way that people can understand. I can never put in the words on what I built. And the power is within all of us.

But you put IT. So like in in a scientific way, most people like, for me, he is crazy as I don't like talking about a man. I know i'm not crazy.

I know what I had to do to get what I had to go. People look at this crazy because you're people that just if you can imagine yourself doing something, if you can imagine yourself doing something, the person's doing is crazy. Because in your mind, the logic behind IT IT doesn't compute.

Therefore, you have to give somebody a title in the title for me is usually he's crazy. He's this is that no, no. For some reason we want to be some by so fucking bad in my life, I created that have been trying to figure out years of my life trying to explain the people.

But even though you're explain that now. This is the easy fucking part. Them listening to this shit is the easy fucking part.

The part that why there will always be the ones of ones is because put that practice to put into actual work. No, no, no. That's where the demo is coming in.

That's where you like. I I don't want to be Better. I don't want to be Better this way.

IT takes me Better. I don't want to be Better. So everybody is. That's why was a lot of average and IT makes me so fucking mad every day I walk this earth, I see average all over the fucking place.

And they want to ask me, how did you do IT? I can tell you how, because you're not going to fuck you, not going do IT. You're not going do IT you? You gonna continue.

Because every day you wake up like he says, like, get the coffee, make the, make the pancakes, kiss the girl, kiss the kids. You wake up right to work immediate. Your mind is in the action.

No one must do that. No one would like on. But don't be mad when you lay there and you're fucking in bed and you're in the fucker hospital on your seventy, eighty nine years old.

You take a flack, adam. I can do some because you did. You didn't do IT didn't shit. You may have a great life, man, but you always go for empty inside. I don't feel empty, so on which you want. There's not one empty bone in my fucking body because I have figured out that really the magic potion leads to my life is very warning.

People like to talk about what they used to be able to do. I hear this a lot. You should have seen me in high school.

I was laugh you. yeah. Okay, I got IT. And it's not just guys. You should see me working out in high school. I was super fit.

People will look back to a time where they felt like they were capable of something, and now they are not. And you've gonna to just grabbing await. That was you then.

It's you now. And but people tend to think about how the conditions that were around success must have been part of IT. And you can understand why that is very rational.

I was in that situation. I was successful in this situation. I'm not.

That was the past. This is the present. Ergo, capable, right? You see how people get into these loops. And as you mention, you spend the first twenty years your life in extremely chAllenging circumstances.

And then you can see how people get to a point where, like everything feels hard, like when you're three hundred pounds, I have never been three hundred pounds, but I can't imagine IT feels good to get up and move around is defeating I got a friend, he's in access to three hundred pounds. We've been trying on him for years. But no, no win and he's got crazy.

Survives on the back of his caves. And he actually smells bad sometimes because he he can wash as well as he were. He's big, big, right? And he poses on my sympathy, right, you know? But life is very hard for him and getting worse.

He's a Young guy with a lot of medical issues now for obvious reasons. And so I think people like that think it's already hard. Why would I make IT harder? Your message is a little different, and you have the life experiences.

So you've been there. So for me saying, ah yeah, lose weight. You know, I was a skinny guy who had to be a less skinny guy, so I don't really have a foot to hand on. What do you say to those people who are like, listen, i'm getting up in the morning is hard trying to not dissolve into a pudding. My own tears in my own misery is hard.

You are, people connect with my book so well, for some reason, guy put me in almost every foot up situation in the plan. So when I talk to people, is that sugar code? Because I am not saying IT from, I was a heart, seven, five pounds my whole life I don't say much those people as maybe your peace shit, maybe you you want to be nobody.

Maybe you're happy exactly where you are in life because obviously you are maybe you don't have the determination to be somebody bare know who you are and if you want to live with that, i'll supports you in that if you're good with being who you are, that every day you wake up and every day you smell like you because you can't wash your body will and your skins mess up because you have so bad and you can't put your clothes on, right? You need help, but you help like when asking, can you help wipe my ice that makes you feel good. Nothing I say to you, if every day you wake up with this, see, people are haunted, but they obviously like horror films because they keep washing the same fuck and movie.

I like horror films. A lot of people like our films, so I don't say much to them. I say execute. I say to you right there because I always wants you. I didn't like car film, so I changed IT.

Some people are just, they become lucky, said IT gets real small when you're lazy in your fat, you will, there will is so small that they don't have any, and you can give IT to them. There has to be some. This is this what i'm talking about now, because this is a hack.

This has to be in you, something in you has to wake up. And usually the only person I can wake you up issue. Sometimes you can read a David garden book because I was all this shit, and then a lot more of fucked up.

But if you don't have a little flame, you know, just that just barely have done. I can, I can like IT for you. And that's the horse reality of this life that I wanna get across.

So fucking bad. You can watch me, you can watch you. You can watch fucking and rogan and captains always mother fuck in, go to twenty robots, fuckers bullshit, the other shit, the other shit.

If you you can keep going back and keep spending money and spending money and spending my no results, you can wonder, wow, maybe they go try out. David garons, he going to fuck and help you. You have to explore, examine the insides of yourself.

And what do you really want to life, your friend? A lot of people like here just don't fuck you wanted to guess, what? Have some of your life go from three to three, fifty to four hundred to four, fifty to five hundred because you don't want IT.

And that's the harsh reality. I can't give you shit. You can't give him shit, give you ideas.

But in the day when losing the way, I had to miserably wake up every morning in the cold, because inDiana novembers, when I started, I was miserable. This is your new life they could believe in. There's no happiness apart IT.

There's no peace behind IT. IT sucks. IT just fucking sucks.

And that's the one thing I could teach anybody. Anything is just fucking sucks. It's going to continue to suck.

Then one day you get to a spare support your life that you might get a little bit Better but to lose the way you have to lose, my friend, sorry, it's gonna suck every fucking in day because in in a three pounds, you got to, got to lose weight. You might be get injured. So then you gotta work on the injury, and then you get even more depressed.

This right through, and then you're hungry. Can not depress it's it's just a vous cycle. And if you're not strong mentally, you have no will power.

You going to continue fall back in this hole. Worse, the man that this back and goes, our mother fucker, this is why I cusk. This is what I zim, this winna took for me to be me.

Sorry, I didn't take, hey, okay, we're onna do this today. I know this fucking really sucks. This is real, dude.

This is real in every day. I'm set back. I'm a set back.

I'm set back. I'm set back. So this will tell you, boy, this way exactly.

I tell them every day you wake up, you go proud, be set back for the first four weeks before you lose to significant wait, because the mines can be fucking me to the whole time. There no dog mean. They no top mean in air.

At times you get not in your home was are shot. You have to envision something that is more powerful than you. Something has to get you out of bed, and you have to create IT.

IT has to be false because you know IT you're bad piece of a shit as the reality of IT. So you have to create a false reality to live in, that just a kid to work on yourself. Yeah, he'll see this and hell .

appreciate that message. We will see what he does. So so far last thirteen years it's been no movement. But I ve had other friends who who were drug and alcohol addict, who quit after one conversation.

never went back to me. They they want IT yeah .

just one one guy. I won't album, but walked up to me at a party in twenty nineteen july fourth party, and said, i'm a pile and I got when he goes on a pile, look at me. I'm sixty pounds overweight I go to you drink he goes everyday.

I go how much he goes a case. He was like smoke A A lot of weed, but he's successful another areas of his life, as I said, well, here's what I know. Quit alcohol, weed for you.

You know, i'm not talking people what to do doni until two P M get on the exercise bike in pedal in the morning like someone is chasing you with a poison dark till you want a puke and how can I have joking right? And then two months later, he's like aba drink a lost thirty pounds. He lost at sixty pounds.

He never went back. Now is his super fit. It's amazing that so some people flip the switch. He is very self critical by nature, super self critical that we flesh .

the switch. Yeah, think about a man. We know what to do. We all need andy huberman to tell what to do. We know to do every one of us.

That's why he flit IT so fast because he knew what to do. He didn't gold by your exact protocol. He didn't go by the exact no.

He knew exactly what to do in you just saying some shit to him. IT walks up, but be no to do in the last of thing that people need to get that, you know, to do. What are you do IT?

And i'm talking about myself now, you know, those modes are just kind of passive consumption. They're so easy to wash over us. I just have this thing and i'm fighting this now because I know we were another conversation today where I like to start things on the hour a half hour, right? Worst practice in the world for me, because if I miss that half hour, and I twelve thirty three, I started twelve forty five.

At twelve forty five, I started at one, I just lost time, right? And then, and because this is so stupid, right? And the other day I was, now, I gotta tell David about this, because my new thing is, I start, no matter what time IT is right, if I wake up in the in all the night, I got a funny paints in them in all the night. And like, sami is like, I don't know, I just do IT then sometimes he goes back to sleep sometimes he does IT IT won't got their thing but I thought about this sometimes i'm no more gona say i'm starting at one because I know me if I missed the and my pen is not hiding the paper, not typing on the keyboard and i'm going to do IT like that that's .

a self admit weakness I love IT man um I had that for five years um I know what to do IT that's a hunting part is that is going to happen IT has to happen and that's the fact like there's no guage of free carbo none like that is a life I don't know, I don't I don't have that ability or I have the ability. I don't have the i'm not good enough, sour enough, i'm not talented enough. 这 多少？ Some people are.

Some people can start at one. Some people don't have to start IT off. If you like talent, you can sit back and say, I start a half an hour.

I can do that. I got to start now. After I get back from starting, I get started again and I get them with that run or that study session.

If if we won't get up, I can go back again. Because repetition is is what taught me everything. So you can honest outward anything, but is that you obviously a very talented man?

Well, I I have worked hard at a certain things and built up some things that i've been good at most of my life are gathering, organizing and disseminating information. Something have been doing things can. I used to give lectures at school on monday about stuff I learned over the weekend.

See, check out. Took to a psychiatrist. Where are the same age back then? If you got sent to a psychiatrist, people thought you were crazy.

Didn't be exactly, exactly so. So I remember feeling like a freak. Also, I didn't have a start.

Bad granting tick IT comes back when i'm tired. And the only thing that helped that was hitting my head on something, shaking my head. Just why escape warning was good? Because I slam and I feel like, feel good.

That's not healthy. That's not good or just work. Work is what gets IT out. It's like it's like a rpm or high, you know anyway, that's me that but yeah, I think certain things over time, I feel like talent or gifts or what everyone to call them.

But there are many things that are exceedingly difficult for me and I and I have learned from your example, I know that you you are very both humble and very clear that like you don't have you say I don't you not going to get IT by examining you. But I think the way you're sharing today and the way you share on other podcast before their pieces that really help people feel into the process of what you're talking about today, we're elaborating on IT. I think a lot.

You know, this notion being haunted in the stick, right? I mean, of course, of course, now IT makes so much sense why you don't want to talk about sleep arrest of recovery because that's sure that's important. I heard you say, yes, you sleep, yes, you eat, yes, you hydrate, yes, you you will stretch you so as or but funny how that becomes the viral message.

What is the fuck? But that's not the unique, that's not the the unique message that you Carry. Like anyone can talk about that. So do I have that right that you're acknowledged sleep is important, recovery is important, but that's not what you're about.

You have to forgo something. Yes, ice, best sonus, sleep, nutrition, all this shit. So fuck and important, dude, I don't have time for some of you to get to extract.

I had to extract somehow to give, like you talk about you and you are Younger, you would give these speeches and stuff the same age you were giving us. peaches. I was trying to figure out how to say that without studying. And I realized as I get older that all these things are important. But me to stops starting ing, I get a little fun confidence.

And speed theri didn't help that nothing help that I have to forgo a lot of shit to be as fucked up as I am to be a conference for me to standing the fucking and room with ten thousand of one person and that in off from my head down let me look around let me let me um read these paragraphs first and then before I read the paragraphs economy next, let me just leave the room on a stutter that's a miserable life and that's one of many things I did besides line, besides being an insecure, besides being immature, besides being fat, besides being on the only black ism of schools, are a lot of things I had to overcome to gain confidence. And in doing so, a lot that had to go, a lot of IT. So I became the guy that became, what time is understood?

You don't see k four hours a day, two hours a day. Sometimes you don't sleep at all. Like with this and with this and with this, I know it's all the point.

I can't sometimes got to go for me to get confidence, because confidence is the building block of around trying to go for me to getting confidence in myself. This fucked up kid has got to be a lot of fucked up shit to get in confidence in a one of the way they started, went away. I gain confidence, and now my life was little bit more.

There is no baLance. There is no baLance. Is a little bit more what IT should be for a lot of people. But there will never be about because conference to something that you conference and belief you build every day. And so some has got to give.

And I wanted to go a lot of things to have that because I know that is, that is, if you want to give somebody cyp tonight, take that show away from. So yeah, I I don't leave sometimes, and sometimes I don't eat the right way. Sometimes I don't do this and do that.

And would ever, man, you put me a room at ten thousand people in time the day. And I walk in her thick on with best mother's in here, because I know what I took to be online this stage. A lot of people will not do that. So that's what IT takes.

is a question I been one I ask you. So we started and I thought about coming in here, and I been inking about the week. So I headed of this and I come clean. I don't exactly know how to ask the question asked. So it's about relationships.

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do IT man. So I know in myself that .

my discipline .

is much higher. When is just me? But that's because certain things early on. But then I had, I was a terrible student, barely fish high school. But then when I got seriously, got serious, I did that by staying away from everybody and anyone who's ever had a relationship, any kind. But in particular, romantic relationships knows that, yes, you can derive tremendous support from those like, you got this baby, you can go you like, yeah, I got this SHE said, I got this .

feels great to .

finish something and share with someone, share on me, you know, get the hugger. But there's another side, all of that right that i'd like to learn more about from you, which is there's a warm body next to you in bed in the morning. You don't want to get out.

They also have needs. You've got your mission that people sometimes need things from us, but also often times the people that love us most, that truly love us and that wanted support us, don't understand this thing. And there's the first people to tell us, like, listen, take a day off and then this whole cycle, at least of my head goes off like you just want a vacation and then it's almost like a paranoia and not saying this nice about myself right now.

Good former .

girlfriend can be like, yeah, you know that they remember that and so support of people close you as critical. This could be friends, could be romantic partners, whatever. But they're also the the knife cuts both ways.

You can be the thing that can really undermine this thing that you're talking about because the people that care about us also want to see as comfortable, right? They want see as happy. They want to see as peaceful.

They want to see us in the wake up from a great nights left, and they want things too, right? So how do you want to tangle that whole bit? Well.

it's funny. I'm i'm unbaLanced, but i'm mostly unbaLanced towards the family side. You can get about me.

I thought being on baLances, I get all my stuff in. But what I do, I make sure that my family has everything they need, everything they need. Those who want to be part of my family, some, some members don't want be part David.

I get IT. I got IT that life. Those who are part of my family, I give them everything they need so they can limit the fuck.

One I make sure you're happy is folks I get, I go to work. And I don't mean smoke japan. I don't mean running.

I mean all of IT IT takes every I can have you in my fucking and ship can. So I know for me to have a family. I make sure that you realize them to give everything needs.

So we start bitting at me Young as they look on. I dedicated my life to give you everything you need. I need this time right here for me to be the best I can be, because this journey story without anybody, and I make sure everybody knows that comes in my life.

I've been left. Think about IT. I was left alone as long at a Young age to figure the shit out.

I figured IT out for myself, have been very successful for myself. No one's gonna come in here to fuck with my ship. That's why I make sure I will take care.

Whatever you need. Where have you need for me? You got IT money, house, my love, my support.

I will give you everything you need. That said, I do IT the highest level of possible. And i'm saying that would just for in the next room.

So please care and say some of this wrong. Jennie, give a fuck. Say you. So then with time for me to go to work, I expect you to do the same for me, cause IT takes every bit of me to do. I have to do so.

I make sure that i'm very imbaLance for my family, so I can be exactly that unbaLanced for myself. And that's how do IT I let people know right up from, i'm not what you want in a man. I guarantee that you could be a lot late nights, lot of early mornings.

A lot times I get me by myself thinking about the process that is next to my mind. I can have aggravation and can have this, can have, there is a lot things, but I let not front. I'm very vocal about that.

Sometimes relationships work for me. Sometimes they did IT, but that's who I am. One thing I did wrong in my life was I try for so many years to please people, and I did IT at the expense of myself.

I was leaving a lot in the tank that when you do that, you stop living. But the person in your life is happy as fuck can you're give them everything they want. They have their life is for, but you feel empty and that's not a relationship to me.

So for me is important that you know exactly who I am because this way life made. And i'm not trying to change IT because I just figured that out. So i'm not trying to compromise David gags.

I will never, ever compromise David gas. And is that mean I won't give you what you need in what you want in which you desire? But I don't need money, I don't fame, I don't need shit. So I give you all the way. What I do need is IT make sure that that will power is worked on every fucking day, in every night for the rest of my life.

Because as the one thing that could keep me feed in you, keep in you where you need to be, because once that will power has gone, three hundred pound David gags, you may not be look like IT, but I will walk around with IT. So the things are important, even life you must do always, or you nobody. And that's I hand relationships.

And to that something I could personally work on, that upfront, clear communication because I resonate that feeling of like there's something inside it's not getting worked out that I was when i'm on my own. It's, it's, it's a lot easier. But then of course, wanting relationships and family, I think that's a healthy part of being human too. Obviously, you ve worked IT out, so appreciate you sharing that. I don't think .

i've ever heard you talk about people. Are that conversion with wife, husband, girlfriend, boyfriend? But why you stare of IT? Are you scared to tell a mother fucker, your wife, who has been, who you are, who you are, exactly who you are.

And now is a problem, my head, that that's the problem that love is have in life. No one knows who you really are. No one knew who I really was.

I went to a school with there, a lot of black kids, a lot of black kids, they want being special. Ops, I never talked about special of the black is why I was wonder i'm gonna fit in. That's not what they do.

A lot black kids don't do that kind of shit. So whatever I wanted to do not really knew the real me, grown up because I know only bad, know the real me. I was always afraid of what you might say, or how are you gonna.

Whatever you have feelings, you have a life that you have to live. So it's important that whatever is is on your mind, you let that personal, therefore you give them them the option to be with you or not. This two, I am feel like IT, that's good, man, I got IT, but this is David garages.

So is that that honest? Versac is very important. And so everybody knows really stand that person, may not before you. That's all good. This world could .

use a lot more of the front completely honest conversation. I feel like so much of the world's problems are because everyone's dancing around.

The issues is a lot recently the news, seeing people losing their job because they won't say something publicly, you can tell that kind of want and to say, and people just, I think, deep down, really crave the direct messes, like what are you about? What are you not about? But I think now everyone is afraid of getting cancelled is a big deal, right? Getting cancel that people think so I can't work if I am who I am or or if i'm not pretending to be somebody else, then you know, silence is considered, you know, agreement, know this, all sorts of complicated stuff. And I I do feel for the generation coming up because we do have social media, right, all of that they can just walled off from that. There's a real benefit from just not paying attention.

People love to lie. People love the lie. You know, I thought I was only a person I think I found on a person that light can I live in a bubble? And people love to lie about who they are not.

They love to lie about who they are not do. And that for me, the reason i'm so vulnerable and i'm so real, honest. Find somebody come out, tell me online, but in my life, in life, in for me to come, where came from and have a rest, may have now knew a conference should get, I don't.

You can, you can judge me. You judge me would be done in your life. So me being so honest and so upfront and so true, that came with me, finally figured out who I was, but also congeries David garden, the demons of David gardens.

Therefore, now you is the open book. You look at some, I look my eye, that was that good, lucky war. You walk away, a good broke. I know exactly what this journey took to get here.

And that gives you a fire and a passion that people can call you neither they can call you if you you're lesbian or gay, or I think can really fuck you want if you put yourself in the fire and you come out every fucking and day like this first at all, that's here to go back in again. Come on, man, your truth is real. You come on everyday, man, with a way of talking to people that people don't have, because there's no truth behind them.

And the truth is starting line. We sit in early may, this and this and this and this. You have family started your life, maybe forty years old and be four years old, five, six kids.

why? Thank you. Look in that mirror and you say on this, on this, on this, on this, on this.

Well, basic, i'm not this, are not this, are not this. I can't do. I can't do this on all these insecurity.

Your life, family started at once. You started at a lifetime. The truth comes out big time. You are here. So that's the problem.

Most people just don't want to head that conversation to the point they can go on stage. The million people say. I'm all this and have a good day. See you. So is empowering, very power.

I feel like the the way were educated in school, but also outside of school. School were trained as human being, as these Young brains, to try and figure out how to get positive feedback from other people. Yes, it's like like a little dog.

You could have a boll dog, had a bulldog, saw the picture of both dog. She's great. They're amazing species.

I think of them. Uh, economy of effort are amazing breed. Excuse me, there are amazing breed, economy of effort.

They don't do anything unless it's necessary. Is that a kind of exact opposite of everything was kind of interesting that and they're kind of hidden. Now IT is true that they'll die to protect you.

yes. And it's an instinct I saw that would cost stel. I'm sure that yes, it's an instant.

But if they're not in that position, if there's no need to exert effort, they arrested. Yeah so your boddom rested for you got IT exactly. So you don't need to ask because active recovery, perfect, perfect.

That can be your answer from now on. He really does. He somehow worked IT out. So bulldog does IT form. But we're so indoctrinated into this way of being from a time that they're Young where, of course, praise feels good, right?

Someone tells you, yeah, I like that that shirt or good job today nicely done for me because I like grown up in a big packet friends grown up and I was never the great safely IT wasn't terrible, wasn't great that said, like up this bomb pro like that feeling crude up and you're just like, yeah, but you've talked about this before in reference to the seal teams. We both know a lot of people in that community. The team's component is a big part of IT for a lot of people, and it's a wonderful thing, right? But there's a danger to that .

dopamine hit for .

lack of a Better way to put IT from what we can only derive when it's coming from outside. You are talking about being able to either a good job, but also like just look to one's own personal history and say, i've done hard things and I can do IT again and again because I do IT again and again and again. You're talking about parenting yourself, inspiring yourself, scaring yourself, all of that from the inside. So very different than the way we are raised, which is to figure out how to get the biscuit.

It's funny, man. People want to know how i'm always motivated. It's the unseen work which he just says a true statement. Those are false dopamine hits that people are given you, man.

There's no belief in that these are team work to me like i'm not run IT to a clock in the morning when on a clock in the morning, in the gym, long sessions by myself. You, that's real. How many would this extract? dopamine? The good doping? Never I want.

man. I've trained ninety nine percent of my life alone. No one pat me on the back.

I did all the work alone and well, i'm still hard on myself. I know what I did. So every time, get back in pool. Others whose you Carry the box in lot. That's real. I hate that people know me for that guy, because that guy is not every fuck and day like when they see me, they want that energy. Asked at me every day, I can attract the immediately, but I need you.

Because when you train alone, and I lived alone for so many years in this measure, y, and you're able to get up by yourself, I can take myself to such a level of real, real passion and purpose in, like, the feeling I get is up that I can exchange by mice. I don't need anyone. That's why, that's why people kind of me, to motivate them.

No one can motivate me. I have a resume full of bucer motivation that will never run down at all. Hang on with the fogger, you know, you know the truth, you know that you you know the darkness of the fuck and dance and the fucking and dim is their flight, you know? And then from there, like, okay, you were there.

You know this, there was no one there to pick up the rocks sec, to pick up the both, to pick up the log, to go that IT was you, IT was you there were no pat on the fucking back at three hundred eight at at two thirty five, two fifty, two, twenty. No, that was you. So those things that come out of me to extract for me in the darkness, people looking for that pound back, where is IT? Oh, I don't need IT, because what i've done is in the fucking unseen work, i've got Frankenstein.

So when ever sick, this nasty David gas goes, you had nobody. Anyway, more the foggy. So see, I tell myself, now that's me.

Does SHE IT bars me to fuck up? Does he makes me fuck in us? You had nobody.

Anyway, mother fucker, look around you. There is no fucking in team IT was you? There is no weight loss programme.

R mom, and that waking you up saying you can do IT you can be Better trying to build belief. You build belief when you had nothing rock bottom. You did as so as time.

Get hard for me. The truth comes out in my truth is powerful as fuck is real. It's tangible.

I figured IT comes out of my brain that I speak about IT. I'm reliving every single dark moment of my life to be here. So that is what people don't get.

That is what motivates David gardens is the unseen work. But everybody needs that pound the back. They need their training, important IT. They need their accountants, coach new ship and needed to day. But is what we've trained ourselves to believe that we need.

Sometimes, like there's this pill on the shelf, i'm speaking in analogy, right? And we take IT and we get jacked up. We're like, yeah but there's this other medicine cabinet behind there and it's in us we're saying the real medicine cabinet is inside. Yes.

when you continue to overcome and that has so many obstacles to overcome. So it's actually a benefit to me, but the benefit is not like a benefit like that. You have to have the courage in the patients to overcome and overcome.

Before you know a man, you have a whole medicine cabinet, but there's no medicine in the money. Do you know? We work out.

I will take none of that shit. All I got I do is lip, my brain. Put my finger there. Okay, just go on. So I got you, man.

I got the roller text of, like, go fuck yourself garden and oh, but you want stood out the day. There's nothing I need. And this is the thing that people don't get about.

David gags. I can't teach IT in a one minute video. We all have this ability to have our own medicine cabinet.

But unless you go on there and put the medicine in, there is always going to fuck in empty. And you always going need to preview out. You're going need to angry coffee. I do care.

How do you know that? I don't. I can run seventy hours and a head before no caffeine.

I got all this wonderful shit that I overcame on my own by myself in the darkness. That, man, when is cold? I'm hard.

When it's hard, I, I can feed myself all the time. That's why. when? Who say? Man, why rents you missed in a day?

I can explain you. Man can explain you. You never understand. That's why I do always packets, do I get I? I love you, man, as well.

You, my first book, you did blue for me as well. I'm here. I know what you doing for people. Maybe I can explain this. Can I can explain this because people don't want to do this, they don't want to do them, but is, I know I get, I get jazz, even talking about IT man, because so many people think my life is just so as life is horrible, not not follow him. He's crazy really.

but there are good number of people. I would say that in another that they actually do. I think IT I would i'm hearing today and it's really thinking in and is that a great many people either partially or completely misunderstand you? Yes, I think i'll put myself in the partially category because I thought I was about just a forward center of mass can Carry, Carry IT, Carry IT.

But it's the stick is a stick and it's being haunted. And you know, I do have examples for my own life, which is not what today is about, about being really afraid and then turning things around, right? My biggest sphere is getting comfortable, right?

I do not have as much of a stick oriented approach, but today's conversations changing the way I think, a mega step away from this and thing. Okay, there twenty five neural circuits that can explain ten of the things that David talking about. And what i'm thinking about is the fact that everybody has a brain.

They have a mind. Forget the brain. The brain is just the physical structure. But what that manifest, what that creates, is the mind, and everybody has that. So I do believe that everyone has the capacity to do what you're talking about at some level. I also will be the first to confess that I think you are highly unusual.

Let's just say maybe in the end of one, as we say, insight, sample size of burn, right? For somebody who has created this process for themselves and keeps them in this themselves, in this forward center mass, with the sticker battering the back of their head all the time, highly unusual. But this internal medicine cabinet that you turned about building up true confidence, not needing anything from the outside.

I think I like to think that people want that they want to be known, they are afraid, but that they want to be known for who they really are and that you're describing the path to do this. And I will say i'm immensely grateful that you're talking to us this way today about things you've talked about before, but we're hidden in a little differently. I like to think because.

What you're talking about is a process. It's verbs. It's all verbs.

Action and its not about success is more actually about keeping that friction dial to ten, right? And then I no energy, drink, no supplement. People often misunderstand me.

They think, you know, like i'm big on people getting sunlight in the morning, set the circling rythm and get Better sleep as they going to set. But then people always think they go straight. The supplements, yeah, what should I take you know? And then of course, people think of all about supplements. And supplements are one piece for me, but it's like tiny fraction compared to the the doing that do in dots.

That's why we talk about that today. That's when they were talk about this. This is IT.

This is IT like the brain is most powerful women in the world. And IT is crazy how a kid that wasn't rule smart. I was forced to go.

Only internal x donor had to go away. The external world had to go away. In living so deep inside myself, IT was me in this brain and figure out how this team works.

And it's so many people are doing exactly that. The supplements to this that I agree that helps. But once you figure out your your brain, you become unstoppable to almost anything.

Yeah, you can't beat death. You can't. Whatever, whatever. Your place is amazing.

Once you did IT the right conversation, the right mental nutrient, the right mental supplements, the right, the right internal dialogue at the right time with the right hit with the right, proof of which you've done the past, and you send that right to the right socket, do you? A fucking beast, a beast. But once again, you just can't read about IT.

You can't sit back and be a theorist. You have to be a fucking practitioner. And in that practice, is what that becomes proof positive, or messene like that.

David gardens is blowing my mind. What is this? He's not crazy.

And so many people. A lot of people. Have listened me the right way. They come back and like I told you on board, IT happened.

IT happened like you keep going and may be keep doing IT but that is IT man. There's no sun, there's no glory, there's no can, there's no Victory, but there is all of them in one. I can't explain IT without the people, man.

But which you get the other end is something that you're not you always found you never lost anymore. Does that mean the journey easy? They're get any easier, but you always found.

I love that. I just wanted hover on that first set the same way we hovered on haunted in the stick. I think people feel lost. I've certainly felt lost at times in my life. Many times. And the other there's the thing I don't think there's a neuroscience or a psychology term for someone will say put IT in the comments and say, oh yeah, that's what so said.

But like you said, we're not trying to be theoretical here, were trying to be practical, the business of finding yourself and knowing like but it's sort like i'm safe because i'm in danger and I been in danger before I got myself out IT always always seems to come back to verbs again. I don't have a language for this. You know, for once i'm lost for words.

There's like it's it's about of a process, the algorithm. And in the reason here, i'm just kind of trying to make sure i'm understanding things correctly. One of the reasons why I must be uncomfortable for you to be who you are publicly is because people want to focus on the running or the swearing. By the way, the swearing is is welcome. I'll tell you, I came up through laboratories where all three people .

I work for .

swore a lot. But there was one rule I couldn't swear at people. So my graduate advisor, brilliant woman, unfortunate he died or early. They all died early on the common denominator.

I had that internalize for a long time anyway, he said, but if you swear people, you're out, right? But you can swear as much as you want. So that's that's a rule I have, is I can swear as much you want to, just don't sare at people.

If you swear, people Better be ready to fight double now can fight you, so you can swear me, get away with IT. But the fact of the matter is that IT must be frustrating that people, because I know people, love about supplement in ice bars. I listen, I like supplements.

I love supplements in ice bars. But doesn't not the full picture, just a gravitation, the swearing, it's the running, it's his feet that are all messed up, is the fact that he got ta try ten this seal guy yeah and talk about that too, right? You know and there's a gravitational pull for people and they're missing like the that's like the tip of the iceberg is what i'm realizing that i'm realizing that today, thanks to the way you're phrasing things because the bigger vessel is all in here.

And and as you said, how do you put that in a book is impossible because is highly individual. You do IT your way. yes. And you're saying everyone needs to go figure out how to do IT their way for them. yes.

And the thing about being misunderstood, very frustrating, more than I can even imagine. I I can express how, fortunately, when the cutting in everything comes from a place of of a real, I can explain what I do without IT. The passion comes out of me is someone like speaking in tongues.

Because when you put that much work in, people are, oh yeah, there's been this best ball player, this football player, this. Do no no everything, everything is work, everything and people don't believe IT. So when I speak, the mother fogger in the in the fuck in in in the sheet in is that is what IT took for me, what IT takes for me, the anger, the passion, the, the, the, the jar dropping.

IT takes that because i'm not that this hard. Look at a man. We built this guy.

Let's imagine being in the course water. You can possible take, I always go back to help me with this. I hated the water, hated IT. You send the locked arms and you in the water all the time, and they're bringing you in other water, in other water.

When you have this dialogue in your head, in these people are judged me off a frequent women in video, in your costly your whole life, when you figured out twenty for the a gaa, this fucking garden, this is this gonna suck every day, is gonna suck and live like that to be Better. And I put this, but i'm in the water. The water is gone on my head.

The pacific ocean, you know, is freeing february cold ship when two, three, four weeks. For you to easily win, win, win when this voice over here, the real you is saying, get fuck out here go you nobody. You've always been nobody and is true people don't want hear. There is a true voice. That's the real reality of David garden at twenty four years old, still a false reality.

And then you had to create another voice over here that I saying, you're Better than that other voice and you're in the freezing cold water that both voices don't want to fucking in being, but you win and goes from the water to the steady in, to the running, to the losing weight, that how you eat, the, how you fortunate, the man, every day of your life, you win in these battles. And then I have Normal people. You only have one voice, never created a second voice.

The winning voice is a second voice. They have one voice. And I just on a piece of shit, IT has all they hear.

And then they judge. People like me who are here trying to be Better is something that I can never really. Is the first strange thing for me, because I know, I know the majority of people.

I know what goes on banking. I studied the mine more than, almost more than you, because I want on a practitioner. So for you to be a peace shit and come out of that, you know, this come out of IT.

You spend decades studying your mind in the human mind, on how are functions in good environmental, bad vivion ones, stressful environments, patient environment. You studied all because you have to put all this together to create the mind, to become successful. So I had, my god blessed me with this brain.

I had to create a mind, and so on. Doing so, I figured out every piece of shit human being in the work has asked what I was doing offer for myself. So I know why you go on as the gram.

I know why you because you just have the time. You have the time because you don't want to to put that time into bearing oneself. So I know what I misunderstood.

I misunderstood by people who are planning time on their hands to misunderstand me, because they are exactly where I once was, which is a low life, lazy piece of shit. There is a harsh reality of people who throw you, who go after you have nothing Better to do. IT to live is not some after school.

Special is the truth by once was that way I know what all comes from. That's why it's first in the mean because i'm not so first at the back that i'm being trolled on first of the fact you have the courage, the courage to try to be somebody Better than which are not. And that's the first in part.

It's interesting because early were talking about relationships and you in a very handy way. And I really appreciate you sharing that, that you make sure that the people close to you, your family, has everything they need, right? And they also understand that you're gna take what you need to continue to build you, right? Period, period.

In some ways, IT seems you're also included the general public in that family. You're saying, listen, i'm going to give you what you need. I'm going to give you as much of myself as I can, except i'm going to stop right at the line, right, that if I worked across IT is gna prevent me from continuing to build myself and by the way, this relationship only because I don't cross that lines, right.

And I think as much as their detractors out there, people that try right, I mean, it's pretty whatever they're doing as a brief ein my mind I mean like cap gun fire, if that you know so many of us, men and women, older, Young, hear something and feel something in your message like, yeah like this seems kind of crazy. Gosh, like, and never just relax. You know, what about IT sleep? You know, you know, I got this will be dad.

I got friends were in team. Yeah, what you're going to do when he can run? And I know the answer is keep running right, right. But it's more comfortable for people, even high achiever s.

it's specially high givers.

to believe that if you took one thing away, that IT would all go away. It's absolutely clear that's not the case with you one hundred percent convinced. I just know that is what we're talking about.

To many times, I haven't been able to run two heart surgeries. Most people need surgeries. And after every news, surgery, say not run again.

I'm fine with that. Do you know one of people? none.

This was windows all about. Actually, they lost where you can run. Give a fuck.

IT was never about running. Why do you think I run is the worst thing I I hate doing. IT, more than anything, hints. The willow .

wer bright. Your enter, my singular cortex would be, would start to regress if you loved running.

Think about IT every day I wake up out this one, a mile, two miles. It's the one thing I hate the most to do. And I do you like. I love IT. Two hundred hundred and fifty, sixty seven, three hundred hundred mile runs at one time.

No sleep in every step when I get to think about this, I get to the bucking start line casing at Jennifer, when the fuckyou, my here, I hate the ship after twenty some hours of running, every fucking question I ever had is answered. Every question that is answered. I kept success.

I know you got women. You kept success. For me to be who I am. So when I go smoke job, I smoke out three to four myself the year, sometimes five.

Could you just for those that aren't educated, uh, just like give us a brief description of what smoke .

jumping in tails. So basically you you jump into fires, not into them, but jump by fires that people can get to.

So out of planes and helicopters.

out of planes as as you this all the shooting. So you pass that airplanes and then you fight to far you and sometimes four other guys, or maybe eight of the guys, guys and guys, and you're put the spire out. So I lose millions of dollars every summer to do this. IT blows people's mind.

I don't help you do with this.

And your breathing sut needs a ject up in the ground, hurt whatever. Talking to Normal people that never get IT him. Explain IT to him. But this is why this why I call a cap success. I'm talking financial success for me to continue have that will power the second.

I just become a speaking monkey and travel around and speaking gigs twelfths other year, put camps on, do this, put on lectures, get submit lies and do this and write more books. And should i've ruined the exacting I worked on my entire life and why I didn't know IT to the day, but someone always told me this is a very, very, very partial skill. This, this will power that you have, because I do have a world power that I have never seen a by my life is a haunting force that this keeps me going.

And I know that that is my strength, if you have that. So that's worth every time I really made in my life is the fact I can look at man the eye finally in a real conversation without going like this because i'm lying or i'm a piece shit, or I know, you know how a person in so many people do this shit. They're talking to you on who they want to be.

They're lying to you and they walk away in that so many times you walk away. I can tell the truth. Why to help? Can I just tell him the truth? No good to feels me.

Now look at you in your eye, in every man, at a man I see, because women won't get this. Women will not get this man and man, that man shit. We look at the man eye and you know that everything you're fuck and saying is real. And that comes from a real working place. Something that you earned is the best thing in the world.

You can say that actually happened. Yes, I know it's certainty what i'm saying actually, actually happened.

Who I am, who I say I am, I am no more lies, no more, skirt the truth, no more able shit. And that is worth every diver made in my life. And that is, I swear to god on that, every time i've ever made him, my life building who I built. So I kept success because I know that if I ever go twelve months of the year and i'll put several every day i'm going at IT, but several months a year I will write back to ground zero, which means i'm just fuck David garden, no gardens, no Carry boats. Fucking logs bullshit is just pick up that fucking last dig.

Hey, get that fucking pum walk down a mile, put in the fork warmers still was beat you this David garons you nobody because that's where my growth is, that after my whelping comes from and that's where days after I talk to you now and and that can I talk like this, dude, people don't talk. Can't pass because I think there there, there we grating some ship and thirty fucked in years ago. I'm grotait ship an hour ago.

I will go, come on, man, is this be real? And I can't be on this projects. I can't talk tiny without being real. I'll go away. I'll go away because I I can't give you what I wanna give you.

He said parachute skill. I think that's another word set. The words I want to highlight, the skill implies behavior.

And when we were just talking a second ago about the deep, true bedrocks sense of confidence that comes from looking someone in the eye and telling somebody some thing that you absolutely know, it's true because IT happened. You're talking about actions, not talking about perceptions. You're not talking about what you believe happened.

You know, IT happened and there's something really concrete about actions. I think that's what so interesting is we're trying about the mind. But actions are the manifestation of the mind.

And I and the stuff that just stays in here, people die with that. He doesn't go anywhere. I I long ago somewhat, he said, you know, I forget what the context was, was a neuroscientists he said, no, most emotions like they're just emotions.

They're just in there like you don't have to do anything with them. And I think certain emotions you want to do something with. But I think people forget this. They feel miserable like they're gona dissolve into pudding with their own tears.

No one never died from an emotion, but they feel like that they overwhelmed as if it's a tighter way it's gona pull us under and drown us is so interesting to me because I think what people is in that you have a gravitation, people, people can feel the energy. I think, yes, you're either completely badly or partially understood. There's only one guy on the plant that truly understands you.

I think there's one woman, Jennifer, who probably understands you as much as anyone's going to. And then the rest of us are kind of grasp and trying to figure this out. But you said, go .

inward.

So first go inward and then into actions inward. And actions that the inward piece is something i'd like to just spend a little bit time on because there couple characters from history, people that were in concentration camp mandela, and I am not sure he had instagram in there and pressure he didn't and I don't think there was anyone coaching him on like, hey, you're onna, get out someday and actually you're gonna lead in an entire country.

And pretty sure that's not how IT worked. He had to fined IT. Here he had defined IT between his ears.

right? And there are other examples, but that's an important one. So the process of going inward does IT for you. And here I will ask for suggestions because I think people want there are those of us who want to build this skill.

right?

Wow yourself off.

phone off for .

big portions of the day, perhaps texting off the request of this, that anyone that knows you knows that we've communicate a few tax, but most of IT comes through a filter. She's great. He knows you, you know, and he knows how to protect .

your time and her feelings get god less.

God bless you, jane. Er know. Cutting oneself off when you're in there, you said just you. In the voices that come up are not pleasant. And then at some point, IT converts to action.

Okay, how much? What is the process of picking the action? That's the piece that I feel like there's like a bridge to build here, if you can.

if you would. So they actually be like like.

like with next yes. So like when you go go to sleep at night when that happens, you know you're gonna the next day, it's preplanned. Yes, okay, yes OK.

It's always the same thing.

You're not building IT on the fly.

No, not on the fly name. So how works internally for me is I put exactly how IT is. I'm an artist and every day I point i'm i'm painting more lisa every day and but it's a different one.

That's the same painting. So every day I wake up been the the same thing. IT takes a different way to get there.

So every day my mind, i'm going to, my mind, i'm like, and a good painter will not just paint. He needs to create, and you can't create with phones and everything going around you. So you get IT black yourself off.

You know, I do two podcast in here. You block yourself off and you and you're paint in this thing inside and you're going through all these different colors of paint everything else. You can only figure out the right opinion if you spend the correct them on attaining your brain.

So every single day i'm early going to mine and i'm painting, i'm creating this this masterpiece. The master piece is always myself. And but to do that, you cannot have any distractions.

Because if you're talking to an artist and he trying to think about the next painting, he, he can't. So it's impossible to listen to you and listen to which your mind embody your telling you. We must do if you wanted, do enough of, they don't do any of IT you.

They don't have passion. They they like passion and drive determination. Because you haven't spent time with yourself.

Your mind will tell you what is next, but you haven't spent the time to go. Let me just figure this out. You are looking for, let me google this and let me google that.

And let me, you're gonna find that there because there's basis of people in this world. And they are also supposed to be individuals. We have a pack mentality.

As for you, so fuck in, lost. Why am I so unique? Can be exact to fuck I supposed to be, I in't follow shit.

And why did follow shit as a everybody else? The second I said, okay, making or due, you'd like this. You don't like this. You'd like this.

Who are you, David god? Who are you supposed to be? Maraca see all these things are I couldn't even the the list of, should I had to do this? why? Like fuck okay, wow, once you sit down yourself, okay, I don't want to be like Michael jorden, jim Brown Brown a birthday I at the birthday so make people I i'm gonna be David rocking garden and that looks like this IT became everything flooded. So every single day of my life, there's a different thing that comes up to have to do, but no one knows what to do because everybody else, following steps like the republican, democratic parties and that political.

neither my at all.

For this reason, republicans are going to vote republican. Democrat are going na vote democrat. You even assume of fucking in being bro.

No way are you fuckers agreed all the same fucking and shit. And I know, I know. So once you figure out yourself and who you are, all the answers come.

So every night a different painting is being a painted and is a beautiful painting for myself. Like, okay, that is, IT may look the same in most more the focus, but the end result is very fucking different. That's why I launch.

I if you look at what i've done in forty nine years, is more than most people ever doing the life because where a red car driver, that's what they did, they drove a fucking car. great. I was all corners shit because that's exactly what the painting was sent to do, what the mine was saying to do when saying his driver car to that race car driver.

What the fuck do he retired us to be a race car driver in the lost? So how, how are you still? I don't get IT.

Do you never gonna feel your list, but you never found your list because I never was presented in front of you because your head was closed with shit. Could you never just stop for lots of minutes, lots of years? And then I, yes, me, you let IT go. And IT is on right there, right there.

I'm a psychologist, and as I mentioned before, but i'm an adventure of hypothesis here. I think that you've mastered the process of internal dialogue. But when I say dialogue, I think most people think of the the inner voice, the the chatter.

But that's just one half of a dialogue, dialogue, a two way street. So I completely agree because I know from experience that when we go inward, often times we hear things, if we're really honest with ourselves is like I think about that, that no. And then we start looking outward and we start trying to shift our attention and distract.

And there are million reasons that are handed to us excuses and seemingly good justifications to be able to do that. But dialogues are two way street. And IT hit me while you were just saying what you were saying.

I was paying very close attention. And I realized David gardens is talking about the voice that comes up, including the terrible stuff that no one wants to hear about themselves from themselves. But then he's also got the dialogue down where he knows the counter voice.

He goes, yeah, you're right and so many to do this or maybe no, remember this, you're in a dialogue, a two way dialogue in there, not a one wage chatter dialog. There are books written by famous psychologist about chatter china. Shift your internal narrative.

You're like bring the internal the internal narrative. That's what going in word is about. But it's not one voice. Again, there's a hypothesis not claiming to be all knowing.

Lord knows i'm not all knowing, okay, but you've mastered the dialogue and if the three voices strong medium in week in there, you're like, let's all come to the table so you got a simponi of voices in there that are all you that you know to be you and you know how to have those converse. You're not afraid to be in those conversations. And then you know which what the outcome of that committee decision is.

And you put in real world action, and the world only sees the action is, and only you can know your internal dialog, and only I can know my internal dialogue. And the only way that got to know IT is to spend a hell of a lot of time there. That's right. Okay.

a light time. Got IT a lifetime. Think about IT for me to be sitting here front of you.

You're not going to call three hundred pound equal APP p guy that comes here. Here you might, oh no. Maybe, probable, probably. Think about this. Where we teach people is kind kindness to yourself.

Do you think if I taught myself kindness and I agree with the gas, so many people take me out to context this ridiculous, take a hard way of fuckyou. Wanna take IT when asked to hear your pounds? We think that conversation would forget me if I bought canners to myself.

I say, what gives me right back to seven eleven, not the box and mini chocked t donors and the chocolate moki ke. That's the one voice. That's the one voice that most of us have that you talking about.

If you never have a conversation in there, the other voice did you create. This is okay. How does this look? Looks very ugly.

That kind conversation for me when away a long a time ago, which is why the dialogue is now, would you see a lot of action? Because most people have in action, because this one person talking, and that one person always lead you down the same path, the path that makes you feel very comfortable and happy with yourself, the second you created other voice, just conflict, just battles, is worse. This defeat, one thing I learned, I taught myself this people go, I don't understand what you saying.

I don't try to break IT down with quick. I didn't teach myself Victory first. I taught myself failure.

I taught myself how to fail people that so depressing is IT when you three hundred pounds and you can't read and right in your fucked up, tell me times you're onna fucking fail on that process. So if you don't know how to fail, there is no Victory. I never talked about winning.

Could I knew the path to winning was a big years of fAiling first. So I taught myself how to fail properly. No one teach you had a fucking fail, but if you're going on out for instrumental fucking odds that make absolutely no fucking sense of black kit that can swim during the punk, be a navy seal, okay?

You Better take out the fail first, because if you sit failure for too long, you'll never come out of IT. So the first part of my success, we're learning how to fail properly. And eventually I thought to getting a few Victories.

But that's what people don't get when you have buried yourself in such a deep fucking hole. You Better first talk about the failures you going to have first. After that other voice comes up, IT tells you we can do something, but also tells you, boy, i'm not glad your gardens, you're for a fucking climb row.

You're gonna get your ice hands IT to you may fun of the outside noise, inside noise, both voices that could be fuck and you to go fuck yourself. P, you are in for hell. I am so to fail so this is what you mean .

when you say that whatever anyone says, it's insignificant anything but right? It's the cap gun fire because it's just like IT because the voice in your own head is is far worse. I should say sorry, one of the voices in your head, yes, yeah, i'm being very like detailed, almost surgical about that because I think to think about inner dialogue, we think is one voice you're making IT clear. Its many .

voices IT is. And the thing about is you you you have to be, really is, sometimes all the voices are telling you the wrong shape, man. But two years, years, not a part cast, are listening to a book, reading a book.

Years, a sacrifice of suffering, of diligent, pinpoint fucking work on what you wanted do for yourself. Not like, oh, let me just do a bunch shit. Let me, I, anna, be in every test possible.

No pinpoint what I want to do with my life. What happens is you have all lege voices that telling you you're fucked up and this can be hard. But for some reason, you put so much practice into you that you can ignore every one of them.

They'll telling you are not gonna ck and make IT and still be able to fuck and make IT because you have put the practicing that you know this is the process is such a daunting task that all the voices are saying, no, but you still have the conviction that I know I can do this. And that's what IT took for me to get here. Twenty thirty years ago.

I had this thirty five or whatever was thirty, twenty five years ago, pipe dream. And ever since then, every watch was like, hear her fucking in that. But when you put that practice in every day, you lay them up, I mean, run.

It's just a metaphor for life. When you lay the mother, focus up every day, pretty soon you win. Pretty soon you fucked and win.

We are the covers in the heart, in the dedication, in the mindset, by everybody, go fuck themselves. I know what I know. I've listened to myself enough to know.

I know what I know. Now you can hear what i'm here. And that's what people are doing enough.

If they don't listen to their journey, they listen everybody else shit before you know, IT, i'm crazy, but i'm so fucking crazy. Why am I so successful? How that happen? I'm so miss guided miss and fucked up in.

Don't listen him. Why am I? They only wanted do a whole bus shit.

Why am I trailblazer? why? How's that pass? But how can you be fucked up and also self made the same fucking? No, no.

Obviously you're not looking at the truth in front of you. The truth in front of you is the socks is painful, is fuck in minami. And that is the truth.

And that's why a lot of people don't like listening to me, because this is what IT takes. Create another voice. And sometimes going out alone all the time going out alone because no ones you believe in you. And that's that.

What among about to say is not conjecture, and I can say that with confidence because I did a four episode, gets series with the ability illian psychiatrist again in park county, stanford, harvard train guy. He's also got last street and know me, he says his own hardship, real hardship. He's brilliant.

And he said something that i'll never forget, which is now we think that the four brain, the part of our brain that create strategy. That said, as the supercomputer, he said, no one is like the supercomputer of the brain is the, is the unconscious mind, is the part of our mind that's controlling most everything. And most people, unfortunate, don't do the work to understand how their unconscious is controlling them.

And that's a scary thing. This idea, like your mind, is controlling you. You know, i'm not to gain to the free will debate. I believe in at least some will.

I believe .

what you're describing in this internal, the eyo gue. I think you have access to your unconscious man and you by listening to the dialog, going in word. We know this is true in sleep, in dreams, in meditation, and just by shutting out everything else, shutting out all the external noise, which is filled with things that post choice, that noise makes us sound bad. But it's it's the gravitational pool of all the things that allows to distract ourselves without knowing that. Know the ice cream that have a cookie, the merry Christmas.

the unconscious mind.

this huge piece of the iceberg underneath that paul calls the the supercomputer. He saying that with knowledges, a neurobiology psychopath, cholos st. He really knows that the piece that, if one does really introspective, calls at the cupboards, you've ta look in the cupboard and it's often really scary what you find in there.

And most people are just like, I only want to know the cover are there, but you're pulling all the covered doors open and then you're and i'm you're extremely deliberate with what gets put into action. You're not just going in all like i'm pissed on an act piece or you know tired so an act tired, it's you're picking very carefully what to do. And that's a process that i'm guessing came to you as IT come to you as a okay, IT makes sense.

Why running makes sense, that makes sense. Why smoke jumping makes sense. So IT seems like a huge .

portion of your .

time is spent understanding yourself and making sense to you. And so when people don't don't understand you, it's got to be extra frustrating because most people don't understand themselves. So they we're all running around going like you're this and you're that because most people are just unwilling to look in word.

And i'm including myself, by the way, right? I think i've done a very amount of introspections, but i'm inspired today that word inspired, but it's true motivated to start going in word further because this is scary. It's like we don't know what's in those covers and it's terrifying, especially because we don't .

know and those the first ones open up and like he talked about you can I go to those covers? I do spring clean every fuck and day in those dark, covert, dark cabins. And want to start with first.

That's the real me as the rule me as well. I am not ashamed. I don't hide.

I used to hide. I don't anymore. He's exactly why I I don't know all the fucking science behind SHE.

I know what I know. That's what i'm listening by anymore. I'm listening SHE. I think most people fully shit because I know, I know the deep tark secrets of those flock covers so ugly man in every day i'm talking to him everyday. I'm clean them.

I'm clean them and i'm talking to the same team as I came out fucking covers as as i'm cleaning them sometimes. Go right back in. And again, it's not easy.

And this is why most of us just why him misunderstood because there comes out those cabinets then cleaning. Sometimes they see on instagram, sometimes they they see in the park. Sometimes they they see in this one.

I turn people off, open up your own cabinets, and then go talk about IT. Let me see how pretty IT looks. Let me see how pretty you sound. Let me see how put together your words are.

I bet you a fuck or a mother fucker comes out because but you to go back in there again to clean the same fucking in cabin, the demand came out of, take some big balls, grow to do IT every day of your life, to go back in there in spring clean every day, not once a fucking year, once every decade, every day. You know, this is dusty. And every day you'll start with with the Victories, you know, going on.

This is not looking, my look at my, I love me while when you clean up this low, dusty, no, I go right for the things I could keep me buried and I go right there first because if I don't clean, knows out first, the dad doesn't start so when you sign to me is truth and like to see meantime that I can never figure out how to explain the should people, because i'm not neural. nothing. I just the guy that said, okay, we gotto start in the dune and we got to stay here for the rest of our lives, for you to become successful.

The dune is a place that has to be clean and is a serious place to be. As why I misunderstood, because i'm speaking from the attention. That's why I am successful, because I go there every day, day.

And that is the truth. What he says as the exact, those cabinets are fucking industry daily and scary as shit, broken glass bucking, dark spiders, cw webs. But most of all, your biggest fears, the biggest things that put you in the fuck, the place you are the day in there.

So we all at team shit, even like the lack of up. Actually, they never happen. As we never grow, you never improve.

You never have real conversations that we have right now. Never, never. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Let's no. Let's not so many people tell, let's talk about this. Could you tell me? But they can only say once and they will say IT impressing.

They won't get deep in the weeds with IT like you can't just clean IT mother fucker, you get a speech shine that mother fucker, you gotta relieve IT every fucking detail of that. You can't o yeah, my dad beat me. And you know, that is what IT is.

IT is what IT is. More the focus is killing you is taken over your whole fucking life. But that's the commerce said in my debt.

But i'm fine now though i'm good. okay. 那 愿 愿意 发 愿意 发。

This is, this is real talk. You don't have that. So you boys rive hundred percent right. Scary a shit is scary as shit, but makes you who you're supposed to be.

And that's the test we forget we think was was to be there and have kids in, pay the bills and shit. And what's this live about that no sense being tested, my friend. Test come when you have not studied. Test come when you think that you're in a great place. That's that's the test. The test is every day your life, and most of us failed because we don't know why we're here, because we don't go inward to say, you came me a lot of shit to fix, man, in this test sucks, but then you start.

David garden. I don't think I could add to that. I know I can't. Thank you for sharing what you share today. I me, as much as your process, or anyone's process can be completely understood from the outside, you gave us a real window into this thing, this process that you was, as you said, god put IT on you.

I believe in god to people can believe what they want, but I somehow your your life, god gave you these chAllenges early on. And then there was a point where you went in internal and like you said, you developed the scale, but it's a parachute scale, you know. And you clearly live in the process of opening those covers, reopening those covers, try to spit shine those covers, understanding that they're never, ever really done, but that you can gain ground on them, that you can win day after day after day.

And he really shared a lot of concrete things that I think people, I know people are going to be able to apply if they choose. And I agree with you, I think most people will be like, wow, I was a little heavy. I think I wanted just kind of bake myself in netflix and checks x instead.

But there is also the reality that there are many women, boys and girls. We will hear that and go, okay, and start cracking in the the covers open, right? And I just know that, you know, for myself, i'm extremely grateful that you're willing to put IT all out there.

You're so brutally honest, so brutally authentic, that word authentic Sally gets thrown around so much. And I can tell you that for me and for everybody else, like that's what really what resonate. So whether not you want to, whether notice the purpose behind or not, you're lighting the path. So thank you.

please thank you that help me.

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