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Esther Perel: How to Find, Build & Maintain Healthy Romantic Relationships

2024/9/16
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Andrew Huberman
是一位专注于神经科学、学习和健康的斯坦福大学教授和播客主持人。
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Esther Perel
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Andrew Huberman: 本期讨论将探讨浪漫关系中身份认同、好奇心、冒险精神以及冲突解决等重要议题,并分析健康冲突解决模式和有效道歉方式,探讨爱与欲望的关系,以及如何通过了解自身需求来建立更有效的浪漫关系。 Esther Perel: 决定是否进入一段浪漫关系,是个人身份认同的延伸,也是对潜在身份转变的接纳。人们进入一段关系是为了找到自我,同时也希望被另一半带给惊喜,在安全感和自由之间取得平衡。最初吸引我们的特质,也可能成为日后冲突的根源,因为我们既渴望改变,又害怕改变。在开始一段浪漫关系之前,人们需要具备自我认知和对自身想要改变之处的了解,这在不同年龄阶段的需求有所不同。“基石型”关系是指在年轻时建立的,共同构建人生基础的关系;“顶石型”关系是指在人生基础已建立后,寻找相互认可的关系。开始一段关系需要具备自我认知、承担责任的能力以及对自身局限性的了解。一段关系是一个相互依赖的系统,个体需要认识到自身在关系中的作用。年轻时建立的关系需要共同成长,而成熟后建立的关系则需要在已建立的基础上寻求相互认可。在一段关系中持续发展,需要不断重新定义自我和关系,保持关系的活力。好奇心有助于打破僵局,而反应性则会加剧冲突。人们往往将自身经历视为事实,而忽略了其主观性,这阻碍了好奇心的产生。在处理冲突时,应从共同点入手,而非直接讨论分歧点。有效的道歉不仅要承认错误,还要理解对方感受。道歉需要承认自身行为给对方带来的伤害,并表达理解。冲突是人际关系中不可避免的一部分,关键在于如何有效地处理冲突。在处理冲突时,应关注双方为改善关系所做的努力,而非冲突的细节。在处理冲突时,应关注双方的情绪状态,并尝试从生理和心理层面引导双方走出压力状态。冲突的三种动态模式:追逐、回避和追逐-回避。在处理冲突时,应区分感受、想法和事实,避免将自身经历与客观事实混淆。浪漫关系与早期依恋关系之间存在密切联系。在关系中,重要的是找到适合自身的方法,而非寻求标准答案。依恋类型和爱情语言的命名有助于理解,但也可能限制人们对关系的探索。命名有助于理解,但应避免过度简化和标签化。在理解关系时,应考虑文化背景和系统性因素。现代性爱应被视为一种体验,而非单纯的性行为。性问题并非总是由关系问题导致,性爱本身也可能反映关系的平行叙事。爱与欲望是相互关联但又相互独立的,现代爱情试图将两者统一。爱与欲望并非总是统一的,责任感和焦虑感可能会影响性欲。婚外情并非总是关系问题的体现,也可能是个人寻求自我认同和活力的一种方式。健康的关系需要在亲密和自我认同之间取得平衡。人们在亲密关系中,可能会更害怕失去自我或被对方抛弃。 Andrew Huberman: 在处理冲突时,应关注双方为改善关系所做的努力,而非冲突的细节。在处理冲突时,应关注双方的情绪状态,并尝试从生理和心理层面引导双方走出压力状态。

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Esther Perel discusses how entering a romantic relationship can be both an extension of our identity and a willingness to embrace a new identity. She explains the dialectic of closeness and differentiation in relationships.
  • Relationships involve both finding oneself and being surprised by the self.
  • People seek out others to initiate change but resist when it challenges their current state.
  • Every system struggles with stability and change, grappling for homeostasis.

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In this episode, my guest is Esther Perel), a world-renowned psychotherapist, relationship expert, and bestselling author. She explains healthy romantic relationship dynamics and how to achieve them. The answer includes curiosity not just about the other person but, more importantly, about who we can evolve into through healthy relating.

Esther explains the fundamental differences and challenges in relationships formed at different stages of life. We also discuss relationship conflict and how to give and receive a true apology.

Additionally, we discuss fidelity, breaches of trust, reviving relationships, and tools for understanding your needs regarding love and desire in a relationship. The episode will help listeners understand the key elements to find, build, and revive deeply satisfying romantic relationships.

Access the full show notes for this episode at hubermanlab.com).

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Timestamps

00:00:00 Esther Perel

00:02:03 Sponsors: David Protein, LMNT & Helix Sleep

00:06:33 Romantic Relationships, Change & Self

00:11:18 Cornerstone vs. Capstone Relationships, Age Differences

00:16:53 Young vs. Older Couples, Dynamic Relationships

00:20:13 Identity & Relationship Evolution

00:26:00 Curiosity, Reactivity

00:30:29 Sponsor: AG1

00:31:59 Polarization, Conflict; Coherence & Narratives

00:38:21 Apologies, Forgiveness, Shame, Self-Esteem

00:45:00 Relationship Conflict

00:53:48 Sponsor: Function

00:55:35 Verb States of Conflict; Emotion, Narratives vs. Reality

01:00:10 Time Domains & Hurt; Caretaker & Romantic Relationships

01:08:03 Couples Therapy; Language & Naming

01:20:15 Sexuality in Relationships

01:26:20 Tool: Love & Desire, Sexuality

01:31:28 Infidelity, “Aliveness”

01:35:17 Intimacy, Abandonment, Self-Preservation

01:41:26 Erotic Blueprints, Emotional Needs

01:49:42 Tool: Repair Work, Relationship Revival; Sincere Apologies

01:59:30 Tool: Relationship Readiness

02:03:33 Zero-Cost Support, YouTube, Spotify & Apple Follow & Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Protocols Book, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter

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