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How to Grow From Doing Hard Things | Michael Easter

2025/6/16
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Andrew Huberman
是一位专注于神经科学、学习和健康的斯坦福大学教授和播客主持人。
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Michael Easter
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Andrew Huberman: 我发现《舒适的危机》改变了我的日常生活,让我意识到所有活动都可以通过它们对多巴胺储备的影响来评估。区分活动是消耗还是投资多巴胺储备,可以帮助提高专注力和动力,克服成瘾行为,并加深人际关系和休闲时间的意义。我开始定期做一些困难的事情,并且每周都会写下一件让我感到真正不舒服的事情。 Michael Easter: 我认为人类的大脑和神经系统是为了不断地做困难的事情而设计的。现代生活的承诺和危险在于,我们不再需要做这些困难和具有挑战性的事情才能生存。我们天生就想做容易的事情,但在如今这个更容易的世界里,这些天性反而会适得其反。今天杀死我们的大多数疾病,通常是由于过度消费食物,以及缺乏足够的运动造成的。我们鼓励人们做的很多事情,都只是模仿我们过去经常做的事情。体验式理解比智力理解更重要,因为它能更好地激励人们采取行动来改善生活。通过不断地挑战自己的极限,人们会发现自己的能力不断扩展,从而成为更好的人。

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My guest is Michael Easter), a professor at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas and best-selling author. We discuss how particular daily life choices undermine our level of joy, our sense of purpose, our physical and our mental health and the daily, weekly, monthly and yearly steps we can all take to vastly increase our level of motivation, gratitude and overall life satisfaction. We discuss how effortful foraging for information, undistracted reflection and physical exercise are ways to ‘invest’ and therefore grow our levels of dopamine, energy and motivation, whereas low-friction activities are specifically designed to hijack or diminish them. We also discuss dopamine reward circuitry in the context of how to build and reset one’s energy levels and create a deeper sense of purpose in work, creative pursuits and relationships.

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Timestamps

00:00:00 Michael Easter

00:02:14 Discomforts, Modern vs Ancient Life

00:07:35 Sponsors: Maui Nui & Helix Sleep

00:10:17 Modern Problems, Exercise, Trail vs Treadmill Running, Optic Flow, Hunting

00:20:01 Risk & Rewards, Intellectual vs Experiential Understanding

00:23:39 Modern Luxuries, First-World Problems, Gratitude, Tool: Volunteer

00:34:33 Rites of Passage, Tool: Challenge, Narrative & Purpose; Embracing Discomfort

00:40:43 Sponsors: AG1 & Mateina

00:43:33 Choice, 2% Study, Silence, Tools: Do Slightly Harder Things; Notice Resistance

00:54:05 Cognitive Challenges, Walking, Screens, Tool: Sitting with Boredom

01:01:53 Capturing Ideas, Attractor States, Tool: Being in Nature

01:06:50 2% Rule, Rites of Passage, Tool: Misogi Challenge

01:14:12 Phones, Sharing with Others, Social Media, Tool: Reflection vs Screen Time

01:23:23 Dopamine, Spending vs Investing, Guilt

01:29:48 Sponsor: Function

01:31:35 Relaxation, Shared Identities & Community, Music, Tool: In-Person Meeting

01:38:58 Loss of Gathering Places, Internet & Distorted Views, Hitchhiking

01:45:06 Misogi & Entry Points; Daily Schedule, Caffeine Intake

01:54:37 Optimal Circadian Schedule, Work Bouts, Exercise

01:59:12 Outdoor Adventures, Backpacking & Nutrition

02:04:57 Camping & Sleeping, Nature, Three-Day Effect

02:10:10 Sea Squirts; Misogi Adventures & Cognitive Vigor, Writing, Happiness

02:17:55 Effort & Rewards, Addiction, Dopamine, Catecholamines

02:22:36 Humans, Running & Carrying Weight, Fat Loss, Tool: How to Start Rucking

02:32:32 Physical/Cognitive Pursuits & Resistance; Creative “Magic” & Foraging

02:39:27 Motivation; Slot Machines, Loss Disguised as a Win, Speed

02:46:06 Gambling, Dopamine, Addiction

02:50:29 Tool: Avoid Frictionless Foraging; Sports Betting, Speed; Junk Food, Three V’s

02:56:22 Conveniences, Technology; Upcoming Book, Satisfaction

03:02:57 Substack Links, Zero-Cost Support, YouTube, Spotify & Apple Follow & Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Protocols Book, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter

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