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Tools for Overcoming Substance & Behavioral Addictions | Ryan Soave

2025/4/21
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是一位专注于神经科学、学习和健康的斯坦福大学教授和播客主持人。
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Ryan Soave: 我认为成瘾不是问题本身,而是对潜在压力的解决方案。人们寻求成瘾物质或行为来缓解痛苦和不适。成瘾的定义可以扩展到许多其他事物,即使是一些看起来很普通的事情。重要的是要了解人们使用什么以及为什么使用它。在治疗中,我们首先关注病人的生理稳定,然后再去探究潜在的压力源。帮助他们学习如何应对负面情绪,建立痛苦承受能力,最终找到生活中的乐趣和满足感。我们会探究导致他们成瘾的信念和限制性思维模式,这些模式通常源于他们早年生活中的经历和塑造。治疗过程不仅仅是去除成瘾行为,更重要的是帮助他们建立新的、积极的生活方式,让他们能够应对生活中的压力,找到生活的意义和目标。我经常会给我的客户一个“情绪天气预报”工具,帮助他们了解自己的情绪模式,预测和应对潜在的挑战。这包括感恩、计划、观察情绪状态、关注潜在的弱点以及设定努力目标。与他人分享这些内容可以增强责任感,促进沟通,并提升自我认知。最终目标是让他们能够在生活中保持平衡,即使在面临挑战时也能迅速恢复平衡。 Andrew Huberman: 区分“它控制你”还是“你控制它”对于识别成瘾至关重要,需要考虑成瘾行为对生活的影响。成瘾的讨论常常会让人觉得每个人都对某些事物上瘾,难以界定健康与不健康的界限。克服成瘾不仅仅是去除某种行为,更重要的是建立新的、积极的生活方式。应对压力和痛苦的关键在于提升承受力,而非逃避。提升痛苦承受力的方法包括积极主动的练习和应对策略,例如冷水浴、冥想等。在压力反应中,关键在于识别并暂停反应,从而做出选择性回应而非自动反应。瑜伽宁达(Yoga Nidra)是一种有效的放松技巧,可以提升神经系统的承受能力,并帮助人们应对创伤和成瘾。最佳练习时间是清晨和傍晚,其次是晚上,任何时间都可以。克服成瘾不仅仅依赖于意志力,还需要制定计划,了解自身情绪模式,并掌握应对压力的方法。

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Addiction is not the problem; it's the solution to underlying stressors. People use substances or behaviors to cope with discomfort and pain. Understanding the underlying reasons for addiction is crucial for effective treatment.
  • Addiction is a solution to underlying stress, not the problem itself.
  • Addictive behaviors can range from substance abuse to seemingly mundane activities.
  • Understanding the "why" behind addiction is crucial for treatment.

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My guest is Ryan Soave, LMHC), a leading expert in addiction recovery with extensive experience helping people heal from all types of substance and behavioral dependencies. We discuss actionable tools for breaking out of the addictive cycle and staying free of obsessions and compulsions. We also examine the relationship between trauma and addiction.

We explore the full recovery process—from detoxing and physical stabilization to building distress tolerance. We review evidence-supported tools to structure your life at each stage of recovery and highlight the power of learning “self-directed state shifting” through yoga nidra (NSDR)), breathwork, meditation) and prayer.

We explain how to recognize signs of addiction in yourself and others, and the treatment options available across all levels of resources, from residential programs to 12-step. If you or someone you know is struggling with any kind of addiction, this episode offers practical steps to break free and stay free.

Read the episode show notes at hubermanlab.com).

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Timestamps

00:00:00 Ryan Soave

00:01:32 Addiction, Addictive Behaviors, Relief

00:06:10 Rehab, Detox, Physical & Emotional Stability

00:13:33 Sponsors: BetterHelp & Levels

00:16:08 Recognizing Addition; Video Games, Parents & Responsibility

00:23:38 Experiencing Real Life vs Addictive Behavior; Dopamine Dynamics

00:29:38 Drugs & Feelings; Reordering Your Life; Roles, Kids vs Parents

00:40:03 Sponsors: AG1 & LMNT

00:43:13 Tool: 30 Days Abstinence & Addiction; Impact

00:46:10 Creating a Life Post-Addiction, Jellinek Curve

00:55:30 Tool: Emotional Weather Forecast, Gratitude, Plan, Strivings

01:02:48 Connection with Others, Mental Willpower Throughout Day, Defining Best Self

01:08:39 Emotional Weather Map, Navigating Life

01:10:16 Sponsor: Function

01:12:03 Tolerating Stress, Sailing Analogy, Discomfort

01:16:03 Building Distress Tolerance, Proactive Behaviors, Cold Plunge

01:23:55 Stilling Leads to Seeing, Tool: Recognizing Stress Response; Relationships

01:30:56 Yoga Nidra, Non-Sleep Deep Rest (NDSR)

01:38:54 Yoga Nidra & Authenticity, Breaking Patterns

01:45:45 Yoga Nidra Timing, Regulation of Autonomic Nervous System; Breathwork

01:52:53 Sponsor: Waking Up

01:54:28 Alcoholism, Social Acceptability, Community, AA, Powerlessness

02:02:23 Gambling, Kids & Susceptibility

02:08:58 Transmuting Energy, Running, Dopamine, Feelings

02:15:41 Cocaine, Amphetamine, Stimulant Addiction

02:18:21 Overcoming Porn Addiction, Shame

02:30:03 Struggle, “Discomfort Appetite”

02:36:09 Addiction Treatment, Detox, Rehab Centers, 12-Step Meetings, AA

02:46:54 Is Addiction the Problem?, Trauma, Stress & Addiction Cycle

02:49:05 GLP-1 Agonists & Addiction Treatment?, HALT; Addicted to Stress?

02:52:44 Sugar Addiction, Caffeine; Ibogaine, Psylocibin & Considerations

02:59:56 Helping Someone With Addiction

03:04:58 Zero-Cost Support, YouTube, Spotify & Apple Follow & Reviews, Sponsors, YouTube Feedback, Protocols Book, Social Media, Neural Network Newsletter

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