EP.40 - LIZARD URBAN LEGEND, ANIMAL CROSSING THEORY, & MONEY VS HAPPINESS
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I'm only done with it because, like, I really know the outcome. Feel me? Yeah. See, I haven't experienced that yet. Even with spending money. Yeah. Like, you told me, just spend your money now, bro. That's what I told you. And it feels good. It feels blessed because I'm spending a lot of money. And, like, I'm...

I want to face the consequences so I don't do it no more. That's the thing. Because when you're older, now you have responsibilities. You can't be spending all your money on bullshit. But when you're younger, that's why I preach it. If you're in elementary school, if you're in high school, you get Christmas money, whatever, a little bit of cash, yo, just buy whatever you want. My mom was telling me yesterday, oh, your insurance is going to be over. You're turning 21. I'm like, what? She's like, yo, you're going to have to start paying for the bills now.

I'm like, oh, shoot. Yeah, I know. So what I do, I straight to grail, but hella stuff. Oh my God. New t-shirts, $200 shirts for no reason, you feel me? Bro, cause look, you're going to get all these clothes and then like, you're going to look back when you're older. Yeah. Not even, not even like older, older, maybe like next year. Yeah.

That's like maybe next year you're gonna be like, oh, shit, why did I spend all this money for? I know, but it's gonna be a good realization, though. I need that type thing. But, okay, what do you think is better? Spending money on food or spending money on clothes? Oh, I'm a foodie, though. Yeah? I'm a foodie. So I feel like...

But I'm a good fashion guy too. I think food. Because you can spend a little bit of money on clothes and still look good. Yeah, that's true. You know what I mean? That's what I've been doing. I've been broke. But also, actually, yeah, you do got to spend a lot of money on food if you want good food. Because if you just eat fucking McDonald's all the time. Yeah, that's true. But I'm saying like, I would rather when I go out on vacations, I always just go there for the food.

Like, I don't care about the sightseeing. Like, New York. Oh, I'm... I don't... I don't f*** with food like that. Really? Like, I like food, but I don't like... That's not... That's not a reason for me to go out. You know what I mean? Yeah. Nah, New York? I had a list of food places. More food places than tourist attractions. Okay, let me ask you something. Are you the type of guy to eat, like, hella desserts? Low-key, right? Yeah, I have a sweet tooth. I knew it. Why? Why? Why? Because that... I think that's why. Because for me...

I hate eating sweet. I don't like eating a lot of sweets. So whenever my cousins and family and friends go out, and they all buy funnel cake, this, milkshake, that. And I look at the menu, I'm like...

I don't even want to eat that shit. You know what I mean? But really, it's like a thing to go out for. It's like an occasion. Yo, let's go get milkshakes. I'm like, I don't even like milkshakes though. That's the exact same thing as let's go get bubble tea. Yeah, just like that. Because it's a dessert. It's like eating cake with your friends. It's cool. It's a cool experience. I think that's why it's so popular. Yo, you know what? Why did they make...

Okay, you know how whenever we have a birthday and it's tradition to get a cake? Why a cake? Oh, shit. Why cake? Why cake? What is the origin, you know? I don't know. But look, look, look.

Because it could be anything, fam. No, you know what? I'm pretty sure in some tribes, instead of cake, it's supposed to be... You get the pig's balls or some shit. You know what I'm talking about? Pig's balls? Yeah. You know what I'm talking about? Nah. I don't know if you watched the movie Apocalypto. No. It's like an Aztec tribe. This is ancient, right? Yeah, yeah. But whoever hunted the pig, and if it was a special occasion like someone's birthday, they would take...

the hogs balls and it was like tradition to eat it ew no i've seen a documentary when it's like someone's birthday they get like i don't know some a hat yeah but it's not like the traditional hat it's like made out of like wool or some shit and maybe that's where like birthday i don't know crowns came from i don't know yeah where the the celebration of a birthday come from it's your born day though like you're born yeah but like i mean everything else like cake

Candle? Why do you think we blow a candle? It's for good luck, right? It's for good luck, but why candle? Why fire? Now I want to search it up. Can we search it up? You want to search it up? Yeah. Go, go, search it up. Let me see. Let me see. Oh, it's the light of life. So for religious reasons, Germans would place a large candle in the center of a cake to symbolize the light of life. If all candles are blown out in one breath, the wish will come true. Oh, I didn't know that. The light of life, huh? Yeah, I didn't know that. If you blow it out in one blow... Pause. Pause.

Like your wish will come true. Interesting. On my 19th, that actually came true though. On your 19th? Yeah, because I remember I have a video where I blew out like 19 candles in one blow. And what I wished for was I want to get this accounting job. And I got the interview the next day. You had 19 separate candles in your case? Yeah, we do that. No, because I know those cheap people just buy the one nine. Yeah, I had to do that, bro. No, because that's like you got to go all out so the wish comes true type thing. Yeah.

Loki, I want to start a new tradition. What? Oh my God. Get something new, bro. Because you know how people celebrate. Okay, let me ask you something. Nobody ever questions this, right? Nobody ever questions this. Why is it that we associate rich food with steak and vegetables? Why steak and vegetables? It doesn't even taste that good. No, but it tastes good, but it's not like that great. Yeah, like caviar and shit? Yeah.

And seafood. Like we associate seafood with rich. Yeah, because like caviar is expensive to get. Okay, caviar is expensive still. Caviar is expensive. But steak. No, but caviar does taste good too. It doesn't, fam. No, it does. It does. No, no. Caviar? I hate caviar, fam.

i don't think i've matured enough to like like caviar oh i guess it's like acquired taste yeah it is it is oh yo um freaking what's it called truffles truffles truffles don't even taste good bro it's not no i can agree with it but it's rare yeah that's okay that one that one's why you've seen though the um the snoop dog when he tries the richest like weed he tries the no that's two chains oh that's two chains the richest in the world it'll it'll be like a normal ice cream right yeah and then he'll be like truffle gold truffles and then it's

No, and they just put the thing the gold flakes on everything bro, and like it doesn't add flavor It's just like it's just a flex. Yeah. Yeah, it's just a flex. I don't why do people flex gold so much like white gold? This guy this guy. This is a recent Instagram picture. You're flexing the wrong I've seen that actually like your bath would Wait, you're right

I'm like, wait, fam, is this books? And then I was like, that's a hard picture, fam, but it's so different. No, because if you think about it, look, look, look. Everybody's flexing money, right? But everybody can get money if you try hard enough, right? Yeah, yeah. Now, it takes a different type of person to go out of their way to read a book, fam. Who the fuck is reading books, bro?

Nobody. I've seen so many TikToks where it's like girls. It's like, yo, there's a guy in the TTC reading a book. I'm in another dimension right now. Because no man's read books no more. It's rare. It's rare. And then, yo, low-key, there's so much shit to learn from a book that you can't get anywhere else. Like, they're not going to turn that

Some of the information, they're not going to take their time to put into video format. I know. Some of that shit is locked away in the book. And yo, there's this thing I heard. It's called the Library of Alexandria. You ever heard about that? No. So take this in. So it's an ancient library. I think it's in Greece. Ancient Greece. Yeah. They had all of these articles and all of these like...

Yeah. Of super important inventions, artifacts, all that stuff. Okay. And it burned down and apparently we lost like centuries of history in that library. In that library? Yeah. They never found it. Burned to the ground. Everything's gone. But it was during the time of like Leonardo, I mean, Leonardo DiCaprio. DiCaprio.

That's the second time on this podcast. Fuck, bro. I feel like that happens often now. Yeah, I know. Leonardo da Vinci, not DiCaprio. Da Vinci. But yeah, but yo, that guy's fucking, he's so brilliant. Because that's where the knowledge comes from, bro. I remember reading a book on ancient Filipino myths and legends. You know why geckos come and kiss the ground at sunrise? They kiss the ground? I didn't even know that. Yeah, they do. Every 6 p.m., they come and kiss the ground. Like, if you've been in the Philippines, you'll see them all run down and kiss. Wait, why? Because like, okay, so here's the legend, right, that I read from a book.

I just randomly pulled out like Manila scriptures. But yeah, so there was a mom and a son, right? And the mom loved her son, right? And the son was really like faithful to her mom. So this is what God did to Tessa's son. He made a girl and then he sent her to the son. And the girl was like, yo, let's do like sneaky links, right? And make sure you keep this quiet from your mom, right? And the guy, perfect.

I'm not going to tell my mom about it. And the girl was like, now, if you really love me, I want you to kill your mom.

And the guy, 6pm, killed his mom and had her heart in her hand. What the hell? And he was going down to the ground. And he was turning into a lizard. Oh, shit. And he kissed the ground. And that's why lizards always come down at 6pm to the ground. I didn't know that. So, like, you'll see lizards go like that? Yeah, like down and kiss it. What the fuck, for real? Yeah. Damn. I only seen lizards in Hawaii. That's the only time I've ever seen a lizard. Oh, yeah, because you haven't been to the Philippines.

I remember the most culture shock shit was like when I was eating dinner. Yeah, and there was a lizard like right here I'm like wait, no one's gonna say anything about it and people eating trying to sell you insurance. Yeah You can say 15 less or more. No, no free promo in 15 seconds or less Yeah, I thought that was insurance my bad trippin nah, yeah, that's the legend oh, yeah Shout out Gavin, you know now, okay

I'm gonna tell you something. Okay. Let's go to the Philippines. Yeah. And then when we go there, our only thing we do there is to just go to like the urban legends, the haunted areas, and then just explore it. No. That's what we're doing. Like, like fuck all the beaches. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And vlog it? And vlog it and see what's there. No, my mom's not going to like that idea because she's like Sasha. Oh, because she thinks like some real shit will happen? Yeah, she sees all of it too. Like, she's seen like shadows that my dad was right beside her and he doesn't see. Like, it's crazy. Yeah. Like, they'll be walking out at night and she'll like see a centaur and then she was like, yo, do you see that? My dad didn't see it. Damn.

Damn. Yeah. What the hell? We're going to have to be saying Tabepo everywhere we go. Like, deadass. Well, I think it's worth it. Because has anybody done that before? Has anybody explored and then tried to find all these haunted areas? My cousins. My family has. And they've told us many stories. Like, they went in the woods one time. And, um...

uh what do you call this my cousin wanted to pee right yeah and then his the lala told him no don't go there don't pee without saying tabi po yeah he just peed and like two weeks later his the guy who warned him died oh shit like do you really want to put your family on the line for that shit yeah okay see that that's different then yeah would you rather would you rather be would you rather be like a ghost hunter or like a urban legend hunter

Like Bigfoot, Loch Ness, whatever. Or ghosts. Okay, yeah. The Loch Ness monster shit. Because that doesn't exist, bro. No, but what if it is, though? Then it's different. What do you think? Like chupacabra and shit. Wait, what's chupacabra again? You don't know the chupacabra? Like the flying squirrel? No. It's like the blood-sucking demon. Oh. So in Mexico, there's this blood-sucking demon that kills lambs and livestock.

at night time and then apparently it's it's been it's been killing like people like women especially only women yeah and you'll see like marks in their neck like vampire type of marks oh that's

that's crazy because like the first thing we said when you said chupacabra i just thought of the killy song chupacabra oh my gosh yo fucking killy fell off no we have to show love to toronto oh yeah true because i swear toronto hates us already bro why it's like 69 percent of the listeners are from the u.s shout out the u.s we fuck with y'all you know why though why i think it's because nobody wants anybody in toronto to win people say that though but like it's true like that yes it is like who else from toronto do you rep

Because you don't care about nobody in Toronto, fam. I used to rap hard for Kili. Like, that was my idol. Yeah, me too. But...

Yo, come on, man. Like, you can see. Here's my theory, fam. With Killy, low-key, he had so much resources and he was in such a high stature that if he got, like, a big feature with Drake and changed the sound, because the reason he was so good, he had a different sound from everybody else. He did, yeah. And that was why people liked him. But what happens is the music scene changes, the sound changes, and if he doesn't change music... Yeah.

Then music's not gonna change with him. That's true. Yeah, because at this time right now, no one sounds like Killy still. Yeah, exactly. No one. But he didn't make it big enough to change it. Yeah. Somebody else picked it up and like, I'm gonna make it mine. Yeah. Okay, now music is just the beats because I remember now it's just like 14-year-olds hopping on like a cool beat with a cool melody and that's all you need to go crazy on sound.

well depends the type of listener though depends the type of listening yeah because if you gave me 24 hours to make a viral song i think i could do it i think i have the recipe do it because i've been i've been listening to so many like music and like yeah like the the structure of it and all i need is a good beat and a crazy melody that's it but it is it is like a sense of hard work though and the fact that we can market on jumpers i think that will go viral if i post it on the track yeah

Try it. I might have to. I might have to. But everything is marketing though, right? Yeah. You can be, you can have like bare talent. Well, fam, if you don't have a good way to market yourself and you just look like a regular, then what's changing music from everything else? You know what I mean? I know. We should try to market. If you can market me, I'll sign under you.

I know I'm going to the top because I knew exactly like how it's going to go because you have everything calculated for me. Oh, you mean my marketing? Marketing wise, yeah. Low key? Because I was trying to market for some of our friends before. Yeah. Nobody gave me the chance, fam. I know. And low key, I'm looking back and I'm like, damn, I wonder how it would change. He could have been up right now. I wonder how things would have changed if I did it for them instead of myself. But if I did it for them instead of myself, how would I feel? Hmm.

What do you feel good though? Low key. Do you like being like the main, the main attraction or do you like the behind the scenes? Cause me personally, I'm, I'm, I want to be the main. I don't know. Cause I could never be a producer. I would hate that shit. I don't know. Cause here's the thing. Cause I, I don't really care about, I don't really care about being the star. Yeah. You know what I mean? I don't care about that. But for me, I think my skillset only, only adapts to that. Yeah. Low key. I don't, I don't think, I don't know what else I could do. Mm hmm.

Yeah, because sometimes I'll be getting cheesed because the vlogs you put up are quality vlogs. And they don't get... They're good, but for the views, it should be way more. It should be millions of views. But I'm still growing. I just started, fam. Yeah, I know. People will be doing the most boring vlogs, walking around every day like, I don't want to see you eating, bro. Like,

I don't want to see you like brushing your teeth. You do none of that. It's like straight ghost. Let's go. Yeah. I want to really make it like a movie. So every single vlog I make, it's not going to be just like a vlog. Cause I feel like the name vlog. Yeah. It's become, I, this is what we're going to do today. Yeah. Like the everyday. Yeah. The boring. Why does it have to be like that, bro? So are you going to change like the title of it? No, you should call it like short films. No, but I don't want to call it short film cause it's not a short film. Or like Jukos. Jukos.

I said Jucos. I've been pronouncing it. It's Wico, fam. Wico. Wico. No, man. Take this in. So I was at Papa John's, right? Yeah. And then me and my mom went to go pick up a pizza. Yeah. Right? And then the girl giving her the pizza, she's like, oh, Hazel Wico? Yeah. And then I looked at her and she's like smiling because I think she watches Jumpers Jump, fam. So she knows my name. That's good.

Oh, man. Because usually we go and then we're like, Juco, Jucio. I'm like, nah, that's not how you say it. I had the weird thing. Yo, whenever you, if you see me in public, I'm always going to dap you up like this. Not like this no more. Nah, why? Because I was on the beach and some guy came up to me. He's like, yo, are you Gavin? And I did one of this, right? And Universal, it's like, if I do this high, then we cuff and then we dap, right? But he did the thing and it was so awkward. I was like, shit. You go like this? Yeah, yeah.

That's so awkward bro I was like f*** man At that point just grab his hand No let me Let's do this for real But yeah I can't do like Every time now it's just straight dab Word Yeah Have you got a Has anyone asked for a picture yet? No no Have you? I swear mom's asked you for pictures No

That was so weird to me fam. That was so weird because I didn't know it was like that. I didn't know it was like that. I'm like, you guys want a picture of me? Yeah. I was like, damn. Was it just like a bunch of moms like in a group? No, it was the moms and the kids. Oh, yeah. Because the kids knew me. So they're like,

yo my my son's showing me pictures of you are you famous on tiktok yeah i guess so oh my god did you take a picture though yeah yeah i took a picture with them and then some some next like uh concession girl shout out to you i remember you yeah dang okay but yeah that's cool how do you feel i i feel cool but like yeah i don't want it to be i don't want it to give me no ego yeah you know i never i never let that like if i get noticed or not i never want it to be like okay i'm

You should feel good like this. Because I feel like I just want to stay myself. You know? Whether, okay, look at it like this. Let's say tomorrow you have a million followers. Are you going to change? Low-key, if I get a million followers, I don't think I would change a lot. It would just be like the clothes I'm wearing. Like, I would post shit on Instagram, like my cars and shit. But I don't think I would treat anyone differently because it's always going to be like, I've gone through that ego phase and now it's like,

It's like I'm cooling. You think so? But I would definitely flex my cars, flex all that shit. Wouldn't? Yeah. Would you? For me, okay, if I get a million followers tomorrow, take this in.

You want a million followers, right? Yeah. On what? On Instagram? On Instagram. That would be cool. Okay. But you don't even post on Instagram. Yeah, I do. Barely. Yeah, because you can't... Bro, I hate the... I want to post every single week, bro. That's not it. Yes, it is, bro. I don't know why that is because if you see me every day... No, not every day. Not every day, but you haven't posted in like three months, fam. Exactly. Because I'm behind the scenes. You'll never know what I'm up to. And then when I post, it's like...

oh my god it's like a big celebration that I post it's like so then why do you want a million followers on Instagram if you're not gonna post see that's where it gets tricky so they mess with me just cause I'm so secretive I wanna be like secret but not secret at the same time it's like f***

What does that mean bro? What I'm doing right now. It's what Sofago is doing. What um. What Kili is doing. It's like. It's like. But they're not secret. We know them. Yeah but it's like secret to the point. Fago doesn't post. But he like. Once he posts. No he does. He does. Every like three months. He doesn't even. No what are you talking about? He just posted. Trust me. He has. He archives all his stuff. And he never posts on his story unless it's important.

That's how I'm trying to be. But I don't think I'm at that point yet. But why would you want a lot of followers if you're not going to post for people? I just want to be an influencer. People can go... If they don't have no outfit inspiration, just go to my page. Boom. That's crazy. Because that's what I do with Ian Connery. Whenever I don't have... Okay, so you want to give people...

Influence so that they can they can dress better. Yeah, like something. Okay, that's what I'm saying Yeah fly cuz cuz cuz you made it sound like oh I want all these people to love me That's it because I'm I dress the way I do type thing you you want all these followers for a reason, right? Yeah, do you want all these followers to make them?

better yeah or you want it to make what yeah dressing better the pop mindset there you go there you go okay bet because you don't want to say like that's what i don't like yeah that's what i don't like everybody wants a million followers for what what are you gonna do with a million followers you have a message you want to say you have something you want to change the world with okay are you are you preaching a message to like show a different side of life yeah or are you just doing it just because that's what's trending

okay you know what i mean yeah because look look at everybody look at everybody what's trending right yeah it's the same shit it's the same shit yeah right now if you want to make a difference how do you make it different flex with books bro not the flex with books but like do something that breaks that because look look like i don't want let's say i have a million followers and then i just become like

Quote-unquote like a Jake Paul. Yeah. Where he's just doing... I have a chain. I have nice cars. Fancy house. Yeah. I... Yeah.

we've seen that before but it's so glued into our minds i feel like you have to keep providing that info just so people don't think you're you're falling off type thing like rice gum he barely posts but people like whenever he's on twitch he flexes that stuff so people don't know he's falling off and they can't say nothing but we know we've seen that before though that's my point yeah i know and it's always gonna be but you think you think people people just love it just because it is what it is what it is yeah

Why? Do you think it's going to change ever? Like, we're going to stop flexing cars? I think so. What are we going to flex then? We're going to flex what we know. We're going to flex what we've done rather than what we have. I think we're in a too social media era where we...

Where we're actually just like brainwashed to the point where we want to pursue this lifestyle that everyone's like, no one cares about that knowledge stuff no more. It's just like, what are you doing in social media? Are you living a good life? To look pretty. Yeah. You think so? There's a quote where it says, this generation is sad behind happy pictures. Word. Yeah. That's true. It's crazy. It's true. That's true. Yeah. See, because that's where it gets fucked up.

Because look, look, you're going to you're going to strive for all this rich shit. Flex. You have all this money. Yeah, we've seen that before. But some people, they're driven by the materialistic stuff. Like I'm driven by the materialistic stuff, too. Like I want I want my G-Wagon. I'm going to work till that G-Wagon. You know? Yeah. And like, I don't think.

That just motivates me. That's just me. Just to have it. So you can say like, yeah, I'm rich. I did it. No, I did it. I proved to myself, but also to everyone else that you can do this too. You know? See, I'm starting to look at, because I was like that, bro. You know I was like that. Look at all the sneakers behind me. I was like that for a long ass time. Still a little bit. Obviously, I care about shiny things, you know? Blah, blah, blah.

but i'm starting to look at it different i'm starting to look at everybody differently yeah like some people that i really really like i i fucking unfollowed all the people that all they do is is just post that shit that shit yeah because what what are they showing what are they what is their message the world is that you can make it and then just buy fancy things no that why you can i want i want the message to be you can make it and make a difference

Look, you can help inspire. Okay. You can show people a different mindset. You can show people a different life. Yeah. Rather than just fucking... You get all this money so you can buy all the stuff I bought. Yeah, but again, that's just motivation. Like some rappers or some artists may not post the... But I feel like that's so shit though. I know, but I've seen a story post where it's like, I'm not posting any of my cars or my money to brag. Yeah.

I'm doing it for your motivation so you can get here with me type thing. And low key, I think it's bullshit, but I get the message. Like, it's cool. You think so? I would be those type of guys. It's like, I'm not posting my money just to brag. It's for you to like be motivated that you can do too. Like, I don't know. I think that's bullshit. It is bullshit. I think it's trying to cover it. Do you really feel that? Probably not. Be honest. It's a good excuse. No, it's not, bro.

I don't know. But to each their own. If that's what you want to do, everybody has their own thing to do. But I feel like once you get there, that's why people are so depressed, fam. That's why people are so like... Look at all the celebrities. Look at Anthony Bourdain, fam. What about Anthony Bourdain? He committed suicide. You know him? Oh, shit. You don't know Anthony Bourdain? You don't know Anthony Bourdain? He was the man that traveled to all these different countries. Yeah, and ate food, right? Ate food and shot it.

And he committed suicide a few years ago. What? So imagine his life, right? Yeah. He has so much money. He has so much of an influence. And he was doing such incredible things with incredible people. Yeah. But he was depressed still. Oh my gosh. See, because at the end of the day, like shit, bro. That's why I'm trying to... Because I've been fucking up. Yeah. Like low-key, before I used to manifest money...

And riches and all this materialistic shit. But I wasn't manifesting my own happiness. Really? Yeah. I mean, I don't know. Like, through this whole journey of trying to grind and make it out and making money. Making money is better than sex, bro. Like, that shit is fire. Like, I love that shit. I guess, bro. But what are you going to buy with the money? But I'm happy. I'm happy, though. Like, it's good to me. That's good. Yeah. I just don't want to get to the point where I'm not. But, like, at this point in my life, I love it. Damn, bro. Because...

See, I don't know. Because when I was younger, all I wanted was money, money, money, money, money, money. When I was little, I had side hustles on fucking, I had books on books on books on side hustles, bro. Like, I was hustling anything I could to get money. But was it fun? I knew it was fun to you. Bro, but it's only fun till what? Till you have it. Yeah, and you had it. You didn't feel good? Not really. It doesn't feel fulfilling. Okay.

Okay, you're telling me a paycheck feels fulfilling to you? Yeah, for like a second. And then? And then it's like, okay, I have some money. I can spend it again. And then that feels good. Okay, hold on. I feel like people will agree with me here. Okay. Listen.

Think about something you always wanted to buy. You always wanted to buy. Something before. And then you got it. Yeah. Right? You spent your money and you grind and grind it and finally got it. Yeah. What is that for you? Yeah, to get this. Yeah, okay. Because I've never had Supreme before. And then once you finally get it, doesn't it feel like... It feels cool. Yeah? It feels good, but I feel like maybe in two weeks, it'll just be another clothing piece in my thing. But when I first got it, I'm like, damn, I did that. I know. That's the thing for me. Like...

I get so into something, and I buy it, and then it's like, it just sits there now. I wear all my stuff, so...

Because I don't have a crazy amount of shoes like you. Maybe that's just me being a sneakerhead before. That's why. It's weird because sneakerheads don't wear their kicks. I mean, I wear all my kicks now. But like before. And now too, it's like I'm only for the experiences. Like I don't care how much it costs. It'll be like, okay, do you want like $2,000 to ride a jet ski? I'll be like, let's go. Because we could die tomorrow, fam. What if I don't get to ride a jet ski type thing?

And you kind of put that like, live for the, like, fuck the money shit. Just go for the experiences. Yeah. So I'm blowing money. My mom's getting mad, but Carlos said, I mean, just balance it. Just balance it, bro. Don't go crazy. My mom, my mom's cheese. That mean mom said, Carlos said, live for the experience. No, it's true. It is true. It is. It's so true, but there is a balance and then shit. Cause,

Because I don't know. When is it too much? When is it ever too much? When you're broke and you spent all your things on these experiences. I feel like it's even before you're broke. It's just when you're getting too much of a high. Because look, when you're too much of a high, the crash is bad. Oh yeah, you're right. You know what I mean? You have so many...

Trip to LA, trip to New York, and then you're hella happy. Let's say you won the lottery five times in a week. Oh, shit. And then the next week it comes. Sure, you have all the money, but like the excitement of winning something. It's gone. It's gone. Yeah. Let's say you got used to winning and then it just changed for you. Fuck, man. I don't know. It's because I don't think I would get tired of the lottery even though it comes the next week. Because I've like seen, I've like...

had zero dollars in my bank account fam so i don't think i can ever be not grateful for money coming my way oh yeah 100 like if you're really from like the dirt fam yeah you're gonna appreciate every step like a dollar i'm happy i made a dollar off my clothes fam yeah they said they said they said that you wouldn't be happy making money off this shit but i love that who said that huh who said that my friend

What? They said the money doesn't buy you happiness. But I told them like the dollar made me happy. Okay. Okay. Do you think money buys you happiness? No. Me either. I don't think money buys you happiness. But... A bit. Like it'll be like 35 to... I think it depends what you do with the money. Yeah. I think it depends what you do with the money. But it definitely...

It's definitely a catalyst of like, you can do other shit. You know what I mean? Yeah, I know. But look, look, look. Money does run the world though. Like what you just said. No, but remember that thing I told you how if you give a kid, a poor kid a soccer ball, he'll be so ecstatic. You know what I mean? Yeah. But that didn't cost a lot of money. Yeah, that's true. Right? But the happiness. See, because happiness is relative to what? Your perspective. Your perspective. Exactly. That was good. I'm surprised you got that. What the fuck?

That's why he's got that stuff. I'm not stupid, man.

Yeah, for your perspective, right? Because look, it's not relative to money. Yeah. Because if happiness was relative to money, then we'd just be buying shit every single day. Yeah. We don't do that. Because bro, when I was a kid, like I got like a cheap dollar amount basketball net and a ball. And that's all I needed to be happy for like the next week, for the next month, for the next year. Like you wouldn't need to get me a PS4 or thing. I just need my little basketball and thing because I love sports. So that's what makes me happy. Yeah. What was the small thing that made you happy? Like...

like externally happy. Like, oh my God, like that wasn't crazy, like expensive. Externally happy. That's a good question. Cause that was my basketball net. Basketball net? Yeah, for me. This is what I used to do. This is what I used to do. I don't know if people do this, but when I was, when I was like seven, eight years old, I would watch all these YouTube videos and then I would take this in, bro. Take this in. I would make like

crossbows and like bow and arrows with like pens with pens paper cardboard cause I was little right and then I didn't have money to buy like BB guns and stuff but I always wanted them I always wanted no money for it so I gotta make it myself but what was so dope to me was like

the creativity of these kids at the time yeah because it was kids making this shit bro it was kids making this shit putting on youtube and i would watch it and i'm like yo that's so dope like i'm looking at like damn this guy's a genius like i'm making myself like it's literally like lego set uh-huh but with fucking whatever you have in the house budget it's budget budget lego set yeah that's great do you have an old because i swear every kid had like a youtube where they're like just gonna

I think I linked it. I linked it to the discord report because I have bare Minecraft videos. I used to do. Oh, really? I have, I have ones where I have like Play-Doh and I'm making shit. What'd you make? What'd you make? I don't know. Like it would be like a house. Yeah. Like I'm making this out of Play-Doh and stuff like that. And it would just be a kid. And I,

And I don't know how I managed to put it on YouTube. Like, I didn't... That's crazy. How old were you? Like, five. Or like, six. Yeah, and I managed to put a video up and edit it. That's sick. Maybe it was a foreshadow of this podcast. But now we do it. Because I wanted to be a YouTuber so bad when I was younger. But I never thought it was realistic. Same. Never. Same. Because I would look at it like...

Nah, that's just for the special people, you know? Exactly, bro. That's how I thought about it. Exactly. But I think it's the moment where you believe like, you're special. Yeah. If you look at it like, only for the special, then bro, then what are you, fam? You know what I mean? Because then you start to look at yourself like,

under other people. Yeah. That's why you got to look at it like everybody's the same level like this. I don't look at Drake any different. I don't look at Kanye any different. I look at them all the same. Like I look them to the eye. You know what I mean? But that's just, that's just the way you have to, you have to view it now if you want to be on that like frequency. You know what I mean? Because look, if you think they're way ahead of you,

Fuck, how the fuck are you gonna get ahead of them? Yeah, that used that motivation. If you believe you can never beat them, how the hell are you gonna get close to them? Yeah, because right now I put all those celebrities on a pedestal. Yeah, and I feel like though if I get like a verification, a blue check, I would now we're on the same level type thing. But that's just me. But here's the thing though.

I say that But I do give so much respect To what they've done And especially if it's If they've done something That affected me specifically Yeah So for example Virgil Right

When I started Wiko Studios, I didn't do fucking design school. I didn't do no fashion or blah, blah, blah. What I did was I looked at every single free Virgil Abloh lecture I could. And I watched all of them. I watched all the interviews. Then I went to Kanye. Watched all the Kanye interviews, all the Kanye lectures.

All that shit, bro. That shit is free fam. I know. But people don't go out and look for it, right? And people just don't want to do that because they don't have the time of day, they say. But like, it's really just there. That's where I put so much respect when it's somebody that affected me specifically. I mean, like Virgil, Kanye,

Quentin Tarantino. Bro, all my vlogs are Quentin Tarantino-esque. All my vlogs are literally Quentin Tarantino-esque. You can look at that shit. It's cool though. Who is it for you? Who is it for you? Who do you give so much respect to? But at the same time, you say you put them on a pedestal, right? But why? Why do you give them a pedestal? Why do you think they're better than you? I don't know because I feel like they've just accomplished more. But then you're saying you can't accomplish the same. But now, low-key, it's like I accomplished a lot too. I had to step back and realize that, yo, at

that age when Joy Division my biggest inspiration I did more than him so I should like not put him like higher than me like we're the same bro and I know like soon I'm a pass him but that's just how I am and the what do you call that the saying is like I

Idols turn into rivals Yeah I love that shit Cause I'm just working To pass all of them At this point But I rate him only Cause of his Resourcefulness Like back then When he was starting Storm And the Revenge Storm He shot the poster In his bedroom With tape and a piece of paper And back then I was like Yo I have to use All these resources That I have Like efficiently Or else I'm not gonna become big And that's what I did Cause you start from I start from ground zero fam I had like $200 And I was like

to do it. Yeah. I started this shit from, I was raking leaves first. Exactly. And I feel like, I feel like resourcefulness is a really like, if, if I see that you're resourceful, that you can come up with like a

a crazy idea with like limited resources that's the craziest thing I respect you so much for that yeah that's true that's really good cause then you can like pull shit out of your ass too that's why I don't believe in the people that say start a fashion brand get a big warehouse no I'm still doing all this out of my basement right and that's the resourcefulness in me that I don't need that I can just do it in my basement yeah but it depends like what your goal is for it yeah I mean like for example I look at you know Hype Land oh yeah Hype Land I hate it

Why? I don't know. I don't know. I feel like his art isn't true to him. His art is what sells. No, that's true. Yeah. That's facts. That's facts. But what's dope is his passion was like anime and he got to collab with real anime. That's dope, bro. That's cool. That's dope as f***.

And to bring it to that level where it's like a household name. Yeah. That shit is like a household name now. What, Highland? Yeah. If you think about it, that's like a household... Like in streetwear. Yeah. Like you heard of it. There's no way you haven't heard of it. I know, yeah. You know what I mean? But I feel like it's one of those like... I don't see no longevity in that. Because once that...

no trend is over no that's not true why i think i think it's a complete opposite i feel like those type of brands that that do the sell yeah they're they last way longer work because the the ones that stay underground and they're trendy for a for a for a month for a second yeah bro sure you're trendy right but how do you keep up like i don't know how people enjoy that though it's not like

yeah you're making money but is that really your art that is his art though that is his art I know but once the anime stuff is done what is he gonna do some other trendy stuff that he doesn't like if you were an anime lover like let's say anime is your life fam you watch manga like

You know what I mean? That shit's forever, bro. That shit is not... There's fucking... You know those people that stay in their room and only watch anime? Yeah. That's a real... Fuck, what do you call those? There's a term? There's a term for it. All they do, stay in their house. They don't interact with people and watch anime. The whole lives in Japan, there's a term for it. Oh, in Japan. Leave in the comments what that is. Because there's a real term for it. I think it starts with an H. Okay. But yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's their whole life, bro. And that's like...

think about yo that name's not gonna go nowhere because of how much power it has in that scene now if he wants to go make another brand that quote unquote edgy because i'm underground yeah you know i mean that he could do that too yeah get what i mean just so he can post it from because he already has clout so yeah exactly exactly i feel like that too is like once you have like a certain amount of clout you can do whatever you want at that point that's what i'm saying yeah like i couldn't that's why i'm gonna start twitch and

and then it's like i already have a head start yeah yeah see what i mean like i don't know oh that's why i'm so curious like why you love underground stuff so much because i feel like underground is just it's just underground until it's bigger anyway is that is that wrong it's underground until it's bigger anyway yeah but like that's the whole point you start from the ground i just like that sense of like oh i started but that's every brand every brand started like that

everything was underground at one point yeah i mean everything was indie at one point billy eilish was indie before i know because i i think mainstream like that that's why i haven't put my stuff on tiktok because like that and i've always been telling you like i don't want my my brand to be known as the tiktok brand the mainstream tiktok brand like you know i'm not roasting no owners but like they're cool and stuff but like i don't want to be they're known for being on tiktok yeah but i just i just want my it's natural growth but at the same time what the

It's natural growth. I don't know. Just like word of mouth, word of mouth. Like you know me for what it is. But you get attention from somewhere, bro. I know. That's not true. Like you may not be known for a TikTok brand if you don't post your own TikToks. But if somebody else posts a TikTok of that and it goes viral, then they found it from TikTok anyway. I don't know. But that's the marketing head in me though. Yeah, I know. Because I know how it goes, fam. I know how it goes. Yeah, because when you started WeCo Studios, I didn't get the...

What do you call this? The use giving off free socks to influencers. I'm like, bro, you're just selling out. And I feel like... How is that selling out, bro? Because you just... What is selling out? You're doing shit because you just want to cash out. Just go mainstream right away. So why is that bad? I don't know.

Wait, what is selling out? I don't understand. What's selling out? Selling out is like, say right now on your Instagram, you post an ad or like a condom ad and you're just holding up a picture instead of your usual Fitbit. That's selling out. But what if I do that condom ad in a unique way where I do use a Fitbit? I don't know. That's still selling out to me. How's that selling out? I don't know. Because it's still what I do. I guess. There you go, right? I guess. Because I don't know why people put such a bad stigma on trying to be better. I feel like when people put such a bad stigma on...

They're doing that. And then look at them grow. Look at them flourish. Then that's just... Them being jealous. I guess. Because they're like...

yeah i'm not gonna do that i'm too cool for that shit you know what i mean like yeah that's true because at one point tiktok tiktok was like the easy sellout like you can post your brand on there and you can go mainstream right away that's not true it was that's not true it is that's why that's why when you were doing your stuff i was like bro he's just selling out because he's just no but it has to be it has to be different still like you can't just put any brand on there and it will sell out no that's not true no no at the beginning at the beginning

That's not true, bro. That's not true. If you put something shit on TikTok, it's not going to do good if it's shit. But like it would gain some followers because it was so easy. It was like the easy sellout. That's why I said. Why is that a sellout, bro? And yours was different. That's why it went crazy because it wasn't shit. It was good. And that's why it blew up crazy. Okay, who... Name a celebrity you would say is a sellout. Would you say Drake is a sellout then? No, why? Because look...

Every single album Drake comes out with is a different sound. Have you noticed that? Yeah. That's the difference from Kanye and Drake. When Drake comes on a feature with somebody, how does he sound? He sounds like that artist. Now, look at Kanye. Kanye, okay. You're saying he sounds different? For example, Playboi Carti with Drake. How did Drake sound on the fucking Playboi Carti track? The same flow. The same flow as Carti. Carti and Kanye. How did Kanye sound on the Carti track? He sounded like fucking Kanye, bro. For five summers. Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

See what I mean? So would you call Drake a sellout? So you're saying he adapts? Yeah, he adapts. No, he adapts to what's popular. So you're saying that's a sellout then? No. So is it only a sellout when it's not cool? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, low key, that's what I'm saying. Why? Why? Is that being like... Because TikTok had that thing. It wasn't cool at the time.

Like, you know, like everyone was like, oh, he's just TikTok. It's a TikTok. You know, it was so hated back then. You know that too. Oh, you mean it was like, it was quote unquote like cringe? Yeah, it was cringe. Yeah, that's exactly right. It was like that because we posted memes on there. Exactly. But we post memes on Instagram too. Yeah. And then that's why, that's why like when your shit was coming out, I was like, bro, why are you putting it on there?

like you want your shit to be a meme no see that because because it was it was young yeah it was young nobody nobody understood it exactly i didn't understand i can truly say i didn't understand and i think the next one i'm not gonna say it oh yeah i'm keeping that to myself i'm keeping that to myself okay what's the future with your with your clothing what do you want to do with it then if you want to keep it underground quote unquote uh i want to i want the work to to speak for itself yeah so like um i

I hate referring all of us to Faygo. But like, you know how Faygo, he was always underground. And then he got signed by Cactus Jack because his work was so good. Because he was never on TikTok. He was never on none of that. So would you say he's a sellout for signing Cactus Jack though? No, he wasn't. That's a smart move. Yeah, exactly. It's a smart move. Exactly. But he never sold out at the beginning. He was staying true to his art. But he blew up on TikTok. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

I caught your ass bro I caught your ass fam Maybe I might have the same route Like I just don't want to be posting on there Like if someone posts like the pretty boy stuff on there And it goes viral Then it is what it is I just don't want to go mainstream right away I just want to stay true to my shit Cause I feel like if I go mainstream I'ma start changing stuff It's gonna be harder But that's what it is bro That's what But see what's so dope about Kanye Damn we talk about Kanye a lot I know yeah No but what's so dope about Kanye fam

He's still Kanye. Yeah. He's still Kanye, but he... So Drake, right? Yeah. Drake, he'll change to the market, right? But Kanye...

He'll change the market. Feel me? When Drake walks into a room, he's going to look around the room and adjust and adapt to the room. Kanye walks in the room, this guy's changing the mood of the room. He's not giving a shit about who's in the room. Yeah, that's true. I feel like I'm more of a Drake personality. Word. Yeah. Do you have those friends? Okay, yo. I swear everyone has like...

friend groups because when when you're i don't think you're like this but if you have different friend groups with different personalities yeah you're gonna adapt to them like sometimes you get the the more nerdy ones you know you don't act gangster you know but then you get you're like you're like i don't know you're the shooting guns and stuff like that and you're you're you're with the shits now all of a sudden do you not have that i don't know i don't know if i agree because because look really because because when i'm with friends i'm still carlos like exactly but no but like oh you mean like the tone

I would definitely change the way I talk. Yeah, something like that. But not for friends, for adults. What do you mean? Like if I'm talking to like my Lola. Okay, no. I talk with my most proper voice ever, bro. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. No, but I said, yeah, because obviously when I go to work in a meeting, I'm not going to talk like this.

Yeah. But I'm talking about friend groups. Like, okay, you have your... Let's say anime friends. Then you have your gun range friends. You're gonna talk to the same... Like, the same way you talk to your anime friends. Yeah, I do. To be honest. Really? I do. You hung out with all my other friends before. And you've seen how I react to them. I never, like... Yeah, but I...

If I'm hanging with new people, I'll kind of catch the vibe. And if they're like talking with an accent, like I'll be like, okay, okay, I can be, I can use slang, but if they're talking all proper, then I'm not going to say slang. I'm going to be like, Hey, I don't know. I don't think I do that. Really? Cause remember, remember that first time I met Ben? Who's Ben? Oh,

Oh, Eric? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Eric's cousin? Yeah. Remember the first time I met his cousins? Yeah. I talked to him exactly the way I would talk to you guys. Yeah, I didn't. I didn't. Oh, you adjusted. Because I knew Ben was an accountant, so I knew he was going to be on proper timing. So I was like, nice to meet you, Ben. How are you? Okay, okay. That's interesting. Now they know. I hope Ben doesn't watch this, bro. Shout out to Ben. I think he watches. He watches. Oh, shit, man. But yeah. But fam, yeah. Because that's the two different...

Bro, damn. I think that's what different... You are kind of like... I am kind of like... Damn. He's a good mix. That's interesting. Yeah. But yeah, I see that with a lot of people though. Like a lot of people, they definitely would change for the room. But yo, to be honest...

Because I do change the room depending on if I have to. If it's necessary, but I'm not going to force it. Force it, yeah. There was a point in time where I remember my old girl was showing her to her friend. I was making her friend. And I was on the train pretending.

Pretending like I was in something I wasn't. Like I was pretending like I was them. Like their type of personality. And I didn't like it. At the end of the train ride, I really looked at myself in the mirror. I'm like, I'm exhausted, bro. And this is not fun. Yeah, don't do that. Like the fake laugh. I would laugh at stuff that wasn't funny. I'd be like, ha ha. Like that joke wasn't even funny, bro. And it was crazy, Feb, that I noticed that in myself that I'm changing just because of the group. Yo, you know what? I feel like... Yeah, I know what you mean. You know what I mean now. I know what you mean because...

Because you got to do those sometimes when it's like, you don't want to be rude. Exactly. Because sometimes, do you think I could be rude sometimes? Yeah. With a different... Not rude, but like, I guess brash? Or like, I don't know. How would you say it? I don't know. Like, you're not really interested in the convo. Like, you would be like...

Or not as hyped. Not as, not you, I guess. I don't know how to say it. Yeah, because if it's not something I'm interested in, I'm not going to be interested. Exactly. I'm not going to fake I'm interested. Exactly. Because that, like, that's what I'm saying. If you were surrounded by people that really didn't match your personality type, I feel like you, you would just be like. Yeah, yeah, I know. I get you. I get you. This is what I do though. Yeah, okay. You know this, you know this. I try to change people, fam. You do, bro. Do I not, bro? Yeah. And sometimes, no.

That shit gets annoying too. That shit gets annoying because I'm trying to change somebody and then somebody that doesn't listen, like, I don't want to hear this. Feel me? I do that. I think, I think that's one of my, that's one of my, the shit I'm not good at. Yeah. That's one of my toxic traits. Yeah. I always trying to change someone. Yeah, you do. Cause I,

Okay yo Yo that's so true Nah here's another thing too Cause Yo this is weird Cause um Like people say that I'm a yes man to you In this podcast Yeah And it's crazy cause like Once they hopped on the podcast They were like Yo Gavin I don't know why But I just started becoming A yes man to Carlos too Like like

That's how you change people. It's weird. Like, you might think you could be a sick guest until you're really in front of Carlos and he's just saying shit. And he's just saying shit and asking, do you agree with that? And like, and you, you just have to take it like, yeah, sure. Why not? Because they don't know how to combat it. Exactly. Exactly. I'm on...

what episode are we on? Cause I, listen, I don't agree with a lot of shit. Yeah. Off camera on camera. It's like, I'm kind of wrapped in like this hypnotism shit, you know? And it's weird. But, but 40 episodes, I've, I've, I've come to, to realize, okay, yeah, I can like, it's, it's getting used to, I'm getting used to it. Yeah. Yeah. My a hundred episodes. Like I won't agree with none of the alien shit no more. No, but I, low key, low key. That's what I do still. Yeah. It's,

It's good and bad at the same time. Yeah. Cause it is, it is good. Cause like I hold my ground all the time. I feel like, I feel like nobody can win an argument with me. No cap. And even though the argument will turn to shit. Yeah. You're losing anyways. You'll still fight it. Yeah. It's crazy. And we've had some big arguments of just you not shutting up.

Cause I always say some shit that's like, damn, but he's right. But like, I can't say he's right. Exactly. Oh my God. And you know those, we're not going to share them, but you know those. I do that too. Okay. Yeah. Maybe, maybe that's what's toxic about me. I do that shit all the time. I should have said that last time when we were saying toxic traits. Yeah, that's definitely, that's definitely one. That's definitely one. I don't know if you, uh, the Ryan episode, we have a friend named Ryan, but when they two,

When them two have a conversation together, no one is willing to take an L. And they will just argue and argue and they'll get mad at each other. It's so toxic, bro. No, but I never get mad. But I always like laugh at the people that do get mad. But it's... Because you laugh, you're like, okay. Or it's like...

Okay In five years Okay I cheese though I make sure they get cheese So that's how I win That's how I win I make sure I win By making them pissed off Yeah That's so toxic That's toxic still That's toxic

Okay, you don't have to believe it, but in five years... You know, that shit's so... That's so true, bro. That's actually so true. We finally found Carlos' toxic trait after 40 episodes. Let's go. Let's go. And in the 40 episodes, I displayed like 40 laws of power. Yeah, I know. Oh my god. I'm playing, I'm playing, I'm playing. That's good, though. But you don't want to... Yeah, you don't want to be that guy, still. Because, I don't know, a lot of people...

It's going to be hard. Yeah. It's going to be hard, especially like if you're not tough, man. But I feel like the people that really like you as a friend, they ride or die. Because they understand, yeah. Yeah, but the people that hate that you try to change, they hate you so much. There's no in between. Yeah, it's like you're either stubborn or you're a listener. Exactly, exactly. Some people don't like to listen. Damn, yo, I just took that in. Yeah, bro. You ever hear that theory? Like it's, there's the shepherd, the sheep,

And the sheep dog. No, what's that? Never heard that theory? No. So in the farm, right? Yeah. You have the shepherd. The shepherd what? He tends to the sheep. He makes them, feeds them, right? Does all the maintenance. Then you have the sheep. The sheep are the followers. Okay. People that listen, follow, listen to directions, all of that.

then you have the sheep dog the sheep dog is the shepherd's dog okay so the shepherd's dog moves the sheep tells the sheep what to do but at the end of the day it's the shepherd behind him so you can take this type of type of analogy yeah and then bring it to religion you can bring it into a philosophy you believe in you can bring it into sports so let's say let's say you let's hear bruce lee take this in let's hear bruce lee

and you teach a new martial arts, Jeet Kune Do. You know that one? Yeah, Jeet Kune Do. New martial arts, never heard before. He was the sheepdog because he told the sheep how to follow. Okay. Make sense? Yeah, makes sense. And I feel like that kind of analogy works with everybody in life. Because there's either the shepherd, the people in power, the sheepdog, the ones that move the sheep, and the sheep themselves. But then...

you got the wolves oh and that's that's where you get the term like the wolf of wall street blah blah and the wolves are different they're the ones that kill the sheep yeah take advantage of the sheep so it's it's either like you want to be because you can't be the shepherd a lot of the time you can't be the shepherd you either be the sheep dog or be the wolf yeah i know and i feel like bro i'm like when it comes to my life yeah i felt like i've always been the sheep

Like, like I've always wanted to be that. Cause I look up to my older cousin who's like the shepherd who will call the shots. Yeah. Let's, let's go here. Okay. After this, we'll do that. And I would just always like following his footsteps. That's why I feel like, yo, if, if I was, um, I'm not a good older brother though. Cause like, I'm always, I should be the leader, but no, at the same time, I'm still looking up to some people. So like recently I've just been like trying to build that leadership. Like I'm a call the shots now. Like, like,

like what you saying like we're doing this now type thing how do you because since you're a leader like well what's like some advice that bro you did it honestly look look is it just born in you type thing i know i never it it's just like if you don't want to listen because i don't listen i mean i didn't i dropped out of school bro yeah you know i don't listen yeah i mean i don't like being told what to do i like telling people what to do so that's just that's you can say that's toxic you can say that to whatever but

But that's me. That's how I am. That's how I'm born. And it's not going to change. I mean, I'm not going to change or I'm not going to be myself. You've done it so long. At this point, it's like you don't hear nothing. No, it's not even that I've done it so long. That's all I know. Yeah. That's literally all I know, bro. I think that's the only way. Because I guess you can still be a leader. You can still be a leader, but it just won't. I don't know, bro. Yeah. That's a good question. I feel like you just have to build habit of doing it. No, that's a good question. Because look, if you want to be a leader, can you be a leader and a follower at the same time?

That's my question to you. Yeah, for sure. You can be a leader and a follower at the same time. Yeah, I feel like you can because you can call shots, but if you're taking criticism, you're listening, you're listening good. If you have good listening skills too, that's perfect. No, but that's a good leader. A good leader listens to both, right? Exactly. A good leader listens to both. But yeah, but I don't know. Is that still...

Is that still considered a follower? Cause you're at the center. You can't categorize yourself as a follower too. Cause you're the leader. That's a, that's a really good question, bro. That's some deep shit, bro. Cause look, look, look, look at, look at any politician in the world. There are, they still followers too.

Because they have to follow the conformity of the government already. The higher power? The higher power. Oh, shoot. So are they still followers themselves? Oh, shoot. No. That's some deep shit. To the public, they are. But to the... Oh, now take this in. Yeah. I think... Yo. I got it. I got it. I got it. Listen. So if you're a sheep and want to be a leader, I feel like...

Your followers that follow you will become like you. So let's say, let's say, look, look, listen, listen, listen. So instead of, instead of you calling the shots, that leader will be, will be listening to the followers. So,

he's gonna listen to them to make his decision rather than him making decision for them oh okay so that's a good in between it depends it's not like just him it's just yeah yeah yeah yeah okay i think there's yo there's this whole list i remember like there's different types of laissez-faire yeah all these different types of management too

And I think that's one of them. One of them is like, let's the people decide. I swear I've heard that term before. You know, in those classes where you just write definitions and then you think. And laissez-faire was one of them. That was in the business class. Were you in my class? Yeah, yeah, I was. With the bald guy. Oh yeah, you were in my class. Laissez-faire. I forgot you were in that class. Those jokes. I'm telling you, we were always like, you couldn't separate us. Yeah. Yeah.

If you see Carlos, you see me, man. But bro, okay, look. That's why when I went to entrepreneurship class and I looked around, fam, I feel like you can't learn that shit in a class. Exactly. Because if you're part of that system, then you're not going to be the one to break that system. And it is a system. Oh, man. No, you know what I mean? No, because look, bro.

Because entrepreneurship in itself is a way to like break off. Because instead of following the route where you're obedient, you listen to the rules, blah, blah, blah. Yeah. You decide to go do your own shit. So I feel like you can't learn that from people that are listening. Yeah. Why do you think I didn't go to fashion school?

because fashion i don't believe in fashion school like if you're like you said if you're in that system i i've heard so many people that i know in fashion school where it's just i want the teachers like create something and if i don't like it then you're getting a bad grade yeah so how does that work how does that work i never understood that either exactly and i don't know because it's like fashion is supposed to be subjective to everyone yeah like you might not like it but if the creator knows what what the

purpose is, then that's an A plus project. No, that's facts. Yeah. A hundred percent. That's why, that's why I don't believe in that. That's why. Cause it's a system at the end of the day. Yeah. So it's like, you don't believe in business school. I don't believe in fashion school. We did ourselves. Yeah. No, cause, cause I don't even think, cause,

Because there is art school and there's like credited art schools, blah, blah, blah. You can learn some stuff. That's where it gets tricky, fam. So like if I go in there, because there are paintings that sold for trillions of dollars that it's just like a splatter of paint on there. Oh my God. Fam, so if I do that same shit and I bring it to your art school, are you going to give me an A plus? Exactly. From a person with zero experience, that's what I'm saying. So are you giving me an A plus or does it become...

nah, it's because you did all this other shit. I give you more respect. Now you can do that. Exactly. Right? So then it goes back to you got to do it on your own anyway. Yeah. So why don't you just do it on your own from the start? Yeah, exactly. That's not an advertisement for dropping out. Like, stay in school, bro. But like, do some stuff on your, like, I don't know, when class is done, do your side hustles, bro. Yeah, that's how it all starts. It all starts with just like doing shit as a side thing. Yeah. Whether it just be like a hobby or...

An interest you want to look into. It all starts with like one YouTube video. Oh, I saw it that one time. Hold on, let me get into this.

That's how it goes bro That's how it goes And then you decide Whether you want to Put more time into it Or not Fam Like As you get older How do you view time It's more Significant to me now Cause it's like damn I want to experience everything Before I die Cause time is Time is money Time is money No matter what Time is money And yo I heard this Deep ass quote fam Listen listen

When you wake up in the morning and you feel like shit, what do you do to make yourself feel better? What I do? Yeah. Like, how do you, cause you, you know, those days where you feel like shit, you wake up and like, damn, I don't feel like having a good day today. I'm like, what do I do? Yeah. Oh, what's, what's your, what's your like solution for that? My go-to. Cause everybody has to have a solution for it. I probably just watch my favorite YouTuber and it'll cheer me up like that. Word. Yeah. That's good marketing.

Okay, yo, I'm going to give you something to hold on to. And you're going to remember this your whole life. Ready? You're going to remember this your whole fucking life. Listen. You wake up in the morning, you feel like shit, right? How do you make yourself feel better? What dollar amount for me to give you would make you feel better? I don't know, like a million dollars? Okay, let's say a million dollars, right? Now...

Would you rather have a million dollars or would you rather not wake up? Oh shit. So if I gave you a million dollars, but you didn't wake up, that's easy. You didn't wake up that morning. That's easy, bro. I'm denying the million dollars. I was trying to exactly. So how come we don't live every single day of our life? Like we wake up with a million dollars. Cause if a million dollars isn't worth your life or ending your life,

Then why don't you wake up like your life is worth a million dollars already? And like, yeah, David Cho said something about that too. Did you see what David Cho said? What did he say? He said, I switched my mindset from I get to wake up and I have to do this to I get to wake up and I can't do this now. Yeah, exactly. Something like that. Yeah, I think he said something similar too. Something similar. Yeah.

But he said that. He said like, instead of thinking, damn, I gotta do it. I get to do it. I get to do it. I get to do it. Yeah. I get to do this. But yeah, that kind of hit me too. No dollar amount will be worth your life, right? So when you wake up in the morning, your life is worth that much, fam. I know. But nobody remembers that. Nobody remembers that shit. They just wake up like,

Another day. Let's just stay in. Watch some TikTok. I know. And I feel like it's like one of those ones too where it's like you can sometimes forget to be grateful. But if you always just come back and remind yourself, then it's a good practice. Because sometimes I'd be forgetting like, oh shit, I'm on my phone like all day. Like I could, this is precious time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you know, if you're on your phone eight hours a day,

That accumulates to like a year wasted. Yeah, 100%. More than that. Someone told me that. And as soon as I got told that, I put down my phone and I'm like, I can't waste more. That's why I'm thinking of buying a fucking Apple Watch, bro. Because low-key, or even just like someone to tell me what to do. Because I would really want like my whole hour to the second to the minute. Like, you got to do this.

Cause if you just leave that, that time to just chill, you wasted that time. Yeah. I mean, you didn't, you didn't use it on making memories and use it on sleeping. You didn't use it on whatever. Like, what were you doing with that time when you're just like, exactly. And I would go and I would get sad about it. Like after I'm done using my phone, I'm like, bro, I just really wasted that time. Yeah. I could like the number one, uh,

They surveyed people on their deathbed and they said the number one thing that they always said that they regret is just spending time with their family. And sometimes I'll just be with my cousins and I'll, yo, let's put down our phones, fam. Let's just enjoy each other. Yeah, facts. And that shit's crazy, fam. I feel like I spend too much time with our family at this point, though. Really? Yeah. That's good. I spend time with my family every day. That's good. My cousins, we literally link up every single...

Every single Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Damn. That's four days of the week. Wow, that's crazy. Literally. Like your cousin, like a Filipino cousin? Yeah, and you know what's crazy? We only started doing this at the start of...

we shouldn't have been doing it no listen but we have no lie we have though no lie when you said that i was like you only did that because i i seen your stories like yo this was during yeah exactly during covid so i think bro i think what it is this is my theory on it is we realized shit like we're not gonna have time is precious now yeah this shit is going on in the world we better spend it together and

And yeah, me too. Cause I just recently started hanging out with my cousins. We never used to do this. Like we would only see each other once a year for that camping trip. Right. But now it's like, since we're bigger, we have cars now and the world is literally done. Lil Uzi bought a planet. So some shit is going down. Did you see Elon Musk with the cyber bot? The Tesla bot? Oh my God. That's a robot, bro. Where's Will Smith? Beginning to the end. Oh my gosh.

I just watched I Am Legend recently. Yeah, yeah. Shout out Will Smith. But yeah, like now it's like, okay, let's just spend our time together. It's cool because yeah, we went to a cottage. We did all the stuff that we never used to do. You feel me? Yeah, I think COVID and just the pandemic...

As a whole, just change everybody's view on time. I feel like everyone's hating quarantine now, but we're going to look back at it and we're going to be like, I miss it, low-key. Okay, yeah. But we're trading, though. We're trading. Yeah, we're trading, yeah. Not in that way because it's like, right now is a time where it's completely still. Where you can... I don't know. It's so calm, but so...

but so frantic at the same time. But like, to me it's like, damn, it's like nothing, nothing's going on. Like I can take this time to, to really find myself. Let me ask you something. Okay. Do you ever feel the world spinning? The world spinning? No, I don't think so. You know, the world moves so fucking fast. We just don't realize it. Yeah. I don't think, I don't think about it. You never think about it like that, right? You do. No, sometimes, sometimes I do. Yeah. Sometimes I do. Sometimes like really late night, I'll just like look up and like, damn, this shit's moving fast. You know what I mean? Yeah. I,

I realized that when my teacher, you know when you're absent from school and you come back and you're like, oh, I was sick though. And then my teacher always used to say, but the world keeps spinning. That's what it is. Yeah. That's what it is. So I always look at it like that, like,

As calm as you can be, as still as you can be in a moment, fam, the world is spinning so f***ing fast, no matter what. This is like a high moment. It's so true, though. Your things, too, is that you're like high. It's so true, fam. It's so true. Yeah, fam. That's crazy. Because look, look, look. Like...

Okay, okay. Would you say, I guess leisure time is really important too at the same time. Like, it is very important. Like, you need that time to just chill. But I don't know. You, it's like work, work, work. But no, not in your perspective. It's leisure, leisure, leisure. This is all fun to you. Yeah, that's the thing. That's the thing. Because, like, okay. If you tell someone you're a YouTuber, right? Yeah, yeah. They're going to think your work is just like, ah, this guy's f***ing around.

You know what I mean? Giant cake challenge. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. But it is still work. Yeah. And it does still feel like work to an extent. Yeah. So it's almost just that like stigma of it. Like people are going to look at you like that because you have that title. Like if you tell people, okay...

let's say somebody down the street asks you like what are what do you do who are you yeah what do you say i say i'm a student you're a student yeah i'm an accounting student yeah why because i have trouble i have trouble understanding what i should say i don't know should i say i say um i'm an entrepreneur because that's a good answer that's a good answer but it's also like that's so broad like what's so fucking broad yeah i don't want to just say i want to show them like what i've done you know yeah so i'm

I'm like damn do I say like I'm a podcast host that's a good one podcast host or do I say like I don't know I'm a creative director as a whole like I you know what I mean a creative director sounds professional that sounds professional as f***

Like, if you went to, like, a girl's place and you're meeting your parents for the first time, they ask you. And you say you're a YouTuber, what the f- Yeah, that's what I'm saying. If my daughter brings in a guy, a podcaster, forget the f- Exactly, that's what I'm saying, right? So, I guess it's just those two. Like, podcast host, maybe. Yeah, maybe.

But creative director, that's the one you just say. You spit that out. If the dad is a fan of Joe Rogan, podcast host. Yeah, exactly. But then you got to read the room again, going back to that shit. That's true. Maybe that's the only time I'll read the room. Oh, like parents? Yeah, meeting girls' parents. Yeah. Yo, okay. Let's say you meet a girl's parents. Okay, yeah. So I have this crazy would you rather that I always tell people. Okay. And I always put it in the position of you have to meet your girl's parents today.

Now, would you rather every time you have to eat, put the food in your pocket first and then take it out and eat it? Or every time you walk into a room, you have to scream, fuck you. Yeah.

No lie, bro. So which one you pick is? No lie, bro. You have to pick one. And you're going to meet your girl's parents that same day. No lie. I'm putting like spaghetti in my pockets, fam. And spraying beer for bees. To the point where it's like you can only smell for bees. Yo, but the parents are going to see you eating the food like, oh, can you pass the peas? This guy takes it. This guy's putting his fucking pocket in front of him.

He gets a spoon out of his pocket? Oh my god. But like, fam, you can't curse in front of your parents for the first... No, but what if you say like, oh, I have a condition. Yeah, it's a condition. Yeah, you can say it's a condition. Oh,

But imagine like meeting you like you walk through the door. Fuck you Like that's not good bro. Yeah, first impression like you can you can have a good impression then do the weird stuff after yeah You feel me? I know one more would you rather I always say this one too after what the girl getting beat up? Whoa, what? Oh, no, I mean if your girl's getting beat up, would you join or something like that? What the fuck are you talking about? No That's funny Okay

No, isn't there a would you rather of like, if your girl's getting beat up, would you join? What? I saw you ask that on Discord. It's like, I never asked that, bro. Really? No one ever asked that. You did. What was it then? It was like, if I was getting beat up by girls. Oh, yeah, man. Like,

You're getting it twisted. If I was getting beat up by girls, would you beat up the girls to save me? No. You don't know, right? You're getting crushed. That's what I'm saying. Wait, what was I going to say? Oh, yeah. I was going to ask you this. Would you rather every time you move somewhere, you go really fast or move really slow? Oh. So, like... Yo.

What? So depending on the situation, right? Yeah. You're having like a nice family dinner. Okay. At your girl's house. Oh my God. You're moving fast as hell. Yeah. This guy's like, he's going to pass you some shit. Or he's giving you like the utensils. Yeah. That shit's so fast, bro. Yeah.

But if you move slow, then they're like, what the f*** is going on? If you move slow. Nah. Nah. But what if, like, your girl falls over the chair and then, like, she falls really hard and you're gonna save her and, like, you're, like, slowly trying to save her. These situations that you're putting out right now are crazy. Which one are you picking, bro? Which one are you picking? I'm moving fast. Moving fast? Just like, got you.

I think it's more weird slow. Okay, but you wouldn't talk slow. You wouldn't talk slow. You talk the same. I'm trying as fast as I can. But you're moving really slow. No, I feel like slower is weirder. Because they might think you're high. True. And you kind of lose a lot of activities. Yeah, exactly. It's like, hey, come to the couch. Let's watch a movie.

But like if you're fast You're like I'm there already Yeah yeah Yeah actually Fast is the only way to go You never want to go slow You're weird You never want to go slow That's weird Especially when you're Dealing with a shorty Yeah You're moving You're moving slow Super slow You're about to She's just waiting there Like this Bro That's weird If you're moving fast Shit that could be a pro still Yeah And for other stuff Yo yo okay

That's been one minute 17 seconds. It's true. It's true. Are you having one, you want to say? I don't know. Because Loki, whenever I go to camping, I always say that one. The spaghetti in your pants or the fuck you. And it's always the spaghetti in the pants. Those are like my conversation things, you know? Those are the type of shit I keep in the back of my head if I want to impress somebody or I just want to make a scene. You know what I mean? I say that shit and like, yo, what the fuck?

That's true, yeah. Because I always use yours. I bet, I bet, fam. I bet. No, like, I don't blame you still. They're good. 100%. I be telling girls about the hollow earth theory and shit like that, bro. Where they don't watch the podcast even better, man. Like, they think I'm doing this, bro. Like, no, it's all from Carlos, bro. Yo, but like, dude, do you ever have those things where you keep in, like, their back pocket that you bring out whenever you need? Oh, um...

oh a good conversation starter like one of those not even just a conversation starter something to like i guess impress somebody i don't know impress someone before it before it used to be the

I used to just randomly in the field. Yeah, I used to do like a 360 kick and I'd be like, oh And then you know how Jaden Smith does the splits. Oh, yeah, you can do that. I'm a guy so I like doing a split is crazy Yeah, yeah. So like they would be hella impressed. The girls would be like, yo, what the fuck? Can you do that now? No, I can't. I'm too like...

I haven't stressed like that. I feel like when you get older, it's like way harder, fam. It is, bro. Your limbs are too stiff. Yeah. Your limbs are too stiff. Like, you will go from playing video games every day to like doing crazy things. Real shit. And now you don't even play video games, but now you're lazy. Like, it doesn't make any sense. Dog, when I have a son, I'm going to be like Jackie Chan still. Really? I'm going to train him like, I'm going to teach you all this. I'm going to make him the avatar, bro. Yeah, you're going to LeBron him. Oh my God, that's crazy. By the time he's 14, this guy can do everything. Yeah, yeah.

No I feel like I'm gonna let my kid Decide what he wants Word Like if he wants to play Like the cool little Animal Crossing game Stuff like that Yeah yeah yeah I'ma let him do it No I'ma do that But I'ma give him the tools You know Word I'ma teach him how to fight I'ma teach him how to How to cook Clean Everything bro Yeah Swim Yeah Cause can you cook?

That's one thing I can't do good. I can't do either. I can't do that good. I can barbecue and shit, but I can't cook cook. You know what I mean? Exactly. Like salmon. Prepare me a salmon. I'm not even getting a cat, bro. I just recently learned how to cook an egg, fam. Oh, no. No, no.

Oh no. Okay, that's back in the five. No, but like good. Like a good egg. Yeah. Because I would just like throw that shit in and like mix it up. But you know when you make like the sunny side? The white? That's so hard to do, bro. Nah, it's not. Well, unless like you get it. You know how to do it. For me, it was hard because I'm cracking the egg and then like it would like break. You know the yellow part? You want to keep the yellow part intact and then the liquidy stuff inside? I always break that, bro. Yeah, I know. I recently just started cooking ramen and stuff like that too. Oh, like ramen? Yeah.

Because I didn't know how to cook ramen, bro. I'm like, bro, this is mad hard, but it's literally just water. I swear, ramen's easy. Ramen's like the easiest thing you can cook, bro. I knew how to cook an egg, but I didn't know how to cook ramen. I cook a mean cereal, fam. You want Froot Loops? You can mix it with the almond milk and stuff like that? That's fine. So I used to do this thing, right? I don't know if this is a common thing, but I used to take all the cereals I had in my house and then have a cereal buffet. Yeah.

What? You ever do that? No, I didn't. So I used to put the milk in the bowl, right? Milk first. Yeah, I'm a menace. Yeah, yeah. And then I take the Froot Loops first. I eat the Froot Loops. I want some cinnamon toast crunch. Then I take a little bit cinnamon toast crunch, put that in. It's a buffet, bro. Whoa.

You never thought about that, huh? I never did that shit. And I used to... You know the Nesquik squeeze? Oh, yeah? I used to put that and I put the strawberry milk. No, that's... Nah, listen, listen. But I put it like with the whey protein. So when I have the whey protein drink to make it taste like really dope. Oh, okay, yeah. It just tastes so much better, fam. You just put the Nesquik in that, bro. No lie. I would do the... You know the Nesquik bottle? Yeah. I don't know why I don't buy it no more. Because it was so good. It's still good. It's fire. But I would just sprinkle it on my like...

As a topping. Oh, yeah. That's fire. Like on ice cream. Yeah, exactly. No, and just cereal. On cereal? Yeah. Oh, that's smart. The milk would get watery. I never thought about that one. Yeah. I never thought about... Yo, do you eat cereal hot? Some people do that. No. That's weird, bro. I don't know how men can eat cereal hot. I don't know. Apparently, it's good, though. I don't know. Because I see it the same way. Like, damn, that shit's going to be soggy. Yeah. But like at the same time, damn. Because if you think about it, it's like...

You know when you have apple pie and ice cream and the apple pie's hot? Yeah. So it's kind of like that. It's kind of like that where it's like savory. Right? I've got to try it, but I don't know what cereal to use it with. Yeah, I don't know either. I think it might be dope with some like Cinnamon Toast Crunch or like something like that. Yeah, because Frosted Flakes, whenever I have Frosted Flakes, it gets mad. I hate that. Soggy. Soggy. Quick. And I don't know why, but like as soon as it gets soggy, I just don't eat it.

eat it. I used to be like that, bro. Yeah, I do that shit too. Especially when I was younger. Like if it got soggy, I'm not touching it anymore. Yeah, yeah. That shit's crazy. And even like, you play Roblox too, right? Yeah, yo. Do you know the like, there's some crazy story about like the guy who made a

a whole level that died but people still see his character in the game roaming around that's crazy shout out john he told me that that's crazy in roblox yeah so like like there'll be instances where like user 1 2 3 will be like and he's the one that died that's sick and he's like playing with you fam yo imagine you get like messages and shit yeah I know people have been like you wanna be my friend oh hell no

And there's another dog when you played Animal Crossing before. I never played a lot of it. So I don't know too much. Well, they're saying that Animal Crossing is like it stimulates purgatory. Oh, shit. You ever realize that? Because fam, you take a train to your island. Yeah. Which is considered purgatory. And your character is dead, but he doesn't know it. Word. Because purgatory is like the waiting room before heaven. Yeah. Right. And you have to kind of.

Like. It becomes anything you want. Anything you want. And like. You're surrounded by these creatures. Like these. Animal creatures. Human creatures. Yeah. It doesn't make sense. You're the only human. Exactly. And like. It's nice enough to distract you from thinking you're dead. Word. That's crazy. You can do whatever you want. Like. If. It gives yourself a feeling where it's like. You're trapped. But you're not. Like. You can't escape. Yeah. But you think you can. Yeah. That's sick. I know. And.

And I think in the new leaf, whenever your tree rises, you can move to that next level. Whoa. So it's like a next level in the afterlife. Yeah, it's heaven. Damn. No, but isn't purgatory hell? Oh, is it? No, it's the waiting room to heaven, no? Isn't it like hell, purgatory, and then hell? Yeah, hell, purgatory, heaven. I thought purgatory is still hell. Isn't there like seven stages of hell? I think so, yeah. I think there's different stages. Something like that.

shit i don't know oh we gotta look into the next episode that's crazy that's crazy holy all right we'll end it there though yeah all right um thanks for everyone for watching if you haven't checked it already check out the vlog channel link in the description any more announcement gavin's gonna start streaming so start streaming go follow my instagram all the updates will be on there i need 10 million followers all right thank you everyone for watching tune in to the next episode next week jumpers jump out deuces