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An Outcry in Europe, a Shooting in Washington and a Blockade in Gaza

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Aaron Boxerman: 作为一名记者,我亲眼目睹了加沙地带人道主义危机的严重性。以色列对加沙的封锁已经持续了两个多月,导致当地人民面临普遍的饥饿和匮乏。更令人担忧的是,以色列还计划在加沙发动大规模军事行动,这可能会使局势更加恶化。国际社会对以色列的政策提出了强烈的批评,甚至连以色列的传统盟友也开始公开谴责。尽管面临着巨大的压力,以色列政府仍然坚持其在加沙的军事行动,并试图通过封锁来向哈马斯施压。然而,这种做法不仅未能实现其目标,反而给加沙人民带来了巨大的痛苦。我认为,以色列政府应该重新评估其在加沙的政策,并采取更加人道和务实的措施来解决当地的危机。 Rachel Abrams: 我对加沙的人道主义危机深感担忧。以色列的封锁已经对当地人民的生活造成了严重的影响,而即将到来的军事行动可能会使局势更加恶化。国际社会应该采取更加强硬的立场,向以色列施加更大的压力,促使其改变其在加沙的政策。同时,我们也应该关注加沙人民的需求,并向他们提供必要的人道主义援助。我认为,只有通过国际社会的共同努力,才能最终解决加沙的危机,并为当地人民带来和平与繁荣。

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From The New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams, and this is The Daily. For the past few weeks, international outcry has been building over Israel's plans to escalate its military campaign in Gaza and over its two-month-long blockade of the region, which has put Gaza's population on the brink of starvation. And then, on Wednesday, a man chanting, gunned down two employees of Israel's embassy in Washington, D.C.,

Today, Aaron Boxerman, a Times correspondent in Jerusalem, on the desperate situation in Gaza and Israel's fears that the world has become an increasingly dangerous place for its people. It's Friday, May 23rd. Aaron, we're talking to you. I'm in New York. You're in Jerusalem. What time is it over there? It's about 9.40 in the evening.

Well, thank you so much for making the time so late at night to talk to us about this. Thanks for having me. We want to start this conversation with what happened here in the United States on Wednesday night in D.C. So can you tell us a little bit about the events of the last 24 hours? So at around 9 p.m. on Wednesday night, there was a shooting in Washington, D.C.,

It was right outside the Capitol Jewish Museum where a major American Jewish organization, the American Jewish Committee, was having an event for young diplomats where they were focused on discussing aid to Gaza and the Middle East. Now, according to the police, a shooter approached a number of people who had left the event. He pulled out a handgun and he opened fire, killing two of them. Both of them were employees of the Israeli embassy in Washington.

One of them was named Yaron Lushinsky. He was 30 years old. And the other was Sarah Milgram, 26. The two of them were dating. And Mr. Lushinsky, according to his family, had planned to propose marriage during a trip to Israel next week. A lot of the details about the attack remain unclear. There's video of the alleged attacker shouting, "'Free Palestine!'

at the scene as he's being detained, but it wasn't clear whether the shooter was targeting this event because it was at a Jewish museum or because it was hosting Israeli embassy employees or for some other reason entirely. At this stage, we just don't know 100%. That being said, law enforcement officials are looking into this as a potential hate crime and an act of terror.

These two young people who were killed, they were staff members at the Israeli embassy. And so I'm really curious what the reaction is inside Israel to their deaths. So in Israel, people were really shocked. I mean, they viewed the idea that two people who work for the Israeli embassy might be targeted in the middle of Washington, D.C. as, you know, absolutely shocking and horrifying.

It was immediately condemned. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu called it a horrific anti-Semitic murder. And many Israeli leaders turned their criticism outward. This is the direct result of toxic anti-Semitic incitement against Israel and Jews around the world that has been going on since the October 7th massacre. In fact, at a news conference just after news of the shooting broke...

Gideon Saar, the Israeli foreign minister, actually accused Israel's critics abroad. This incitement is also done by leaders and officials of many countries and international organizations, especially from Europe. Particularly in Europe, where he said some international organizations and government officials had used words like genocide, crimes against humanity, paved the way exactly for

for such murders and sar tried to draw a straight line between this criticism of israel and the horrible killing of the young couple

But this is really an enormously emotionally charged debate. In fact, some in Israel's opposition actually blamed Israeli government policies, which they said were fueling anti-Semitism around the world. But these criticisms of Israel are not new, right? Like leading human rights groups, including Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, the International Criminal Court, they've all accused Israel of human rights abuses for months, right?

And that's been an ongoing part of the condemnation of Israel's war in Gaza. So is there something specific that this foreign minister thinks has changed in all of this? Let's be clear. This is standard rhetoric from the foreign minister. There's been enormous international concern over the toll of the war in Gaza. According to Palestinian health officials in Gaza, more than 50,000 people have been killed since the beginning of the war.

A lot of those concerns were voiced in private channels with Israeli officials. But over the past few weeks, and especially over the last week, some of Israel's own traditional allies have dramatically ratcheted up their public condemnations of Israeli policies towards Gaza.

And to understand that, you really have to understand the situation on the ground in Gaza right now. Rights groups have condemned the decision to block desperately needed food, fuel and medicine, accusing Israel of using starvation as a weapon of war.

For more than two months, Israel barred the entry of all humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip. That meant no food, no fuel, no medicine. A total blockade. Right, exactly. And this caused widespread hunger and deprivation among Gazans, who had already faced enormous struggles over the course of more than a year of devastating war. Ah!

Day 51 of a complete blockade of aid-dependent Gaza. It's a desperate daily struggle to get some food as scarce supplies run out. As the blockade went on over the past two months, we started to hear reports that the situation was getting worse and worse.

And that really led to a growing chorus of criticism that began to crescendo in early May. If the blockade persists, all 2.1 million Gazans would be at critical risk of famine, according to a UN-backed assessment. A UN-backed panel of experts warned that there was a critical risk of famine due to the dwindling stockpiles of food inside the Gaza Strip.

Israel is deliberately and unashamedly imposing inhumane conditions on civilians in the occupied Palestinian territory. UN officials began issuing war warnings about how dire the situation was becoming on the ground in Gaza. And in the middle of all this... Israel's prime minister, he made it clear today when he said, we are not done with the war in Gaza. Israeli leaders begin starting...

A drumbeat of threats and warnings. The Israeli security cabinet has approved a plan to escalate the military campaign in the Gaza Strip. Which suggests that they are going to launch a major ground offensive in Gaza that could potentially upend everything in the Gaza Strip. And just by ground offensive, you mean a full-scale takeover of the Strip? That's what Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is talking about.

And I think all of this together has really

begun to cause a dramatic shift in the way that even Israel's traditional allies are talking about Israeli policy toward Gaza. The leaders of Britain, France and Canada are threatening Israel with "concrete actions" if it does not cease its renewed military offensive in Gaza and lift restrictions on humanitarian aid. So this week we saw Canada, Britain and France come out with some of the strongest condemnations

of the Israeli blockade on humanitarian aid entering the Gaza Strip. We also saw the new pope call for the immediate entry of humanitarian aid into Gaza and for the war to come to an end. We're looking at Gaza as...

And we got to get that taken care of. We also recently saw President Trump discuss the dire humanitarian conditions in Gaza. A lot of people are starving. A lot of people are... There's a lot of bad things going on. Pro-Palestinian critics have argued that the shift has been mostly rhetorical. But Britain on Tuesday actually did announce that it was suspending further negotiations on expanding its free trade agreement with Israel. And this was very clearly a protest against Israeli policies.

Given the global condemnation of this blockade, Israel must have known that it would be controversial, right, even among its allies. So I want to understand, why did they put this blockade in place to begin with? Like, what was the aim? Back in January, Israel and Hamas agreed on a ceasefire.

The goal of the ceasefire was ultimately to reach an end to the war and free the remaining Israeli and foreign hostages who were still held by Hamas in the Gaza Strip. The first part of the ceasefire is slated to last six weeks, which took Israel and Hamas all the way up to early March.

At that point, both sides were deadlocked over the next steps in the truce. And this is when Israel applies that blockade on Gaza, on all humanitarian aid entering the Gaza Strip, in what Israeli officials called an attempt to pressure Hamas. Basically, their argument was negotiations over freeing the remaining hostages that Hamas is still holding in Gaza have reached a dead end.

and we're going to use every tool at our disposal to pressure Hamas to come to the table. Israel also argues that a lot of the humanitarian aid that goes into Gaza is exploited by Hamas, that Hamas either diverts it or takes control of it, stores it for its own purposes, or makes money off of it. So from Israel's perspective,

this was a key sort of pressure point where they could make their opponents feel the pain. And then...

Two weeks after that blockade begins, Israel resumes attacking Hamas in Gaza, ending the ceasefire. And all of this, of course, becomes much worse. Can you just talk a little bit about the changes you've seen? So Gazans who we speak to have talked about street markets that have relatively little food to offer. And whatever they do have is at unattainable prices.

People scrounging whatever they can from canned food or surviving from basically communal soup kitchens. But even those have also increasingly struggled to keep up their operations as the stockpiles of food in Gaza have dwindled. So a lot of people have lost a lot of weight.

Doctors in the enclave say that it's starting to affect people's health. And my colleague, Erica Solomon, actually spoke to Dr. Ahmed El Farra, a pediatrician in Gaza. There's been many times since this war began where we've been hearing about concerns about malnourishment and famine. Is there anything different about this time for you?

Who told her that

Some people are dying of diseases simply because they're so malnourished. When there's widespread hunger, it's not necessarily that people are going to die of starvation or wasting away, but that their body's immune system might simply become too weak to fight off diseases that they might otherwise be able to fend off.

When I talk with my friends and colleagues who are living in America and Germany... He even said that they're seeing some cases in Gaza that are so extreme. When I talk to them that I have a case of severe rickets...

with a malformed chest due to severe vitamin D deficiency. They asked me, "Please, please, can you have some photos for these cases?"

that his colleagues abroad are asking him to send photos. These are cases that they might have studied in theory, but they don't really see them these days out in the world with modern medicine and advanced health care. I mean, they're basically saying we've only ever seen these conditions in textbooks.

I wonder, as these conditions have gotten worse and worse and the blockade has been ongoing, what does Israel say about it? Like, do they acknowledge the situation or how have they responded? For the first several weeks, Israeli officials took a very clear stance. They said that more than enough supplies had entered Gaza during the ceasefire to provision Gaza for months, at least for a very, very long time.

and that the blockade was not causing widespread suffering to ordinary Palestinian civilians living in Gaza. But as the blockade wore on, weeks and weeks later, some Israeli military officers privately began to change that assessment.

My colleagues Natan Odenheimer and Ronan Bergman reported that these officers had found that unless Israel changed its policy, and soon, that Palestinians in Gaza could face widespread starvation. Finally, on Sunday evening, the Israeli government announced that in order to prevent starvation, they were going to allow some amount of food into the Gaza Strip.

So we've started to see some aid trickle in over the past few days. But now everybody is watching and waiting to see what happens next. That is to say, is Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu actually going to follow through on the massive military operation in Gaza that Israeli leaders have been threatening for weeks? We'll be right back.

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Aaron, this massive military operation that Netanyahu has basically been threatening, this takeover of Gaza, what would that actually look like? Well, it's not 100% clear. But what we know is that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other leaders in his government have been threatening a massive military offensive against Hamas in Gaza for weeks now. Good evening, dear Israel.

When Netanyahu gets up and describes his plans for Gaza to the Israeli public, he talks about full security control of the Gaza Strip after a massive ground maneuver of Israeli forces throughout the enclave. Netanyahu has said that this would be a decisive blow to Hamas and that this could finally end

More than a year and a half in which Hamas has really fought a dogged war of attrition in the face of a devastating Israeli military campaign. This time, Netanyahu says, the Israeli military would seize control of large chunks of the Gaza Strip. They would basically capture them and stay there instead of going in and withdrawing as they often did during the war.

As part of this offensive, at least according to the declared plan, many Palestinian civilians would be displaced to southern Gaza. And at the end of the operation, Netanyahu has promised the public, Israel would effectively have complete security control of the Gaza Strip. That seems to be, that last thing you said seems to be the key difference here, the complete control, as opposed to the heavy bombardment, the fighting, etc.?

Exactly. But even though the Israeli military has already formally announced the start of the operation, you know, Israeli forces on the ground have not actually moved that much farther. We haven't seen them sweep through major Palestinian cities like Khan Yunis and Gaza City the way that they did during the first year of the war. I mean, that's kind of my question, why they haven't already swept in. Because if that is what their stated goal is, it doesn't really seem like there's much stopping them, right?

If Israel really wants to do this, and let's assume for a moment that this is what they want to do, despite the potential cost for Israelis and Palestinians alike, there are still a number of factors that I think are giving them pause.

One of them is definitely the hostages. So around 20 of the hostages in Gaza are still believed to be alive. There are the bodies of more than 30 others that are presumed dead. But there is absolutely a fear in Israel that a massive military campaign in Gaza could significantly endanger or kill the remaining hostages that are still alive.

Another factor is Netanyahu himself. Netanyahu is described by his biographers and people who know him well as somebody who's fundamentally very cautious and sort of a political chameleon. Throughout the war, he's really refrained from making any big strategic decision about the future of Gaza, about what would be in the enclave in the so-called day after the war ends.

This contrasts rather sharply with some of his coalition partners, who are much more committed to permanent Israeli rule in Gaza and to building Jewish settlements in Gaza. Netanyahu is much harder to pin down. And so far, he appears to have successfully avoided having to make that big decision about what the future of Gaza should be.

Or seen another way, the stated goal of occupying Gaza may just be more important to the coalition keeping him in power than to Netanyahu, potentially. Exactly. And I think a third factor that could be a potential check on Israel launching this massive offensive is the state of the military. Israel's military has been fighting for more than a year and a half nonstop, constantly.

And the country's own security establishment is anxious about the feasibility of a protracted campaign in the Gaza Strip. And why are they worried about that? There's a number of concerns that they have. Israel is already engaged in, I mean, really the longest, most intense war of its history in Gaza, far outstripping the Yom Kippur War in 1973 or the Six-Day War in 1967.

The war has really taxed Israel's capacities in many ways, and particularly its soldiers. In recent weeks, we've started to see a real shift in Israeli public opinion. If in the early days, right after the Hamas attack on October 7th, the Israeli public was almost totally unified behind the campaign in Gaza, the question is now much more fraught.

We've seen opinion polls that show that a majority of Israelis support a deal that would free the hostages in exchange for ending the war. And I think there is also a growing sense among Israelis of, you know, how long can this really last? Does this war really still have a purpose or has it lost its way?

I interviewed one reservist who described how he couldn't shake the feeling that Israel was sinking into the sands of Gaza, that it was sort of having its own

Vietnam moment in the sense that the United States continued to fight the war in Vietnam well after many had concluded that the war fundamentally could not be won. At least some people have said that they no longer want to participate in the war because they feel that it no longer serves a purpose or because they've been worn down by hundreds of days of reserve duty. I think that says a lot about

You know, how, you know, it raises a yellow card to Israel's ability to continue fighting indefinitely. You know, one thing I didn't hear you talk about in terms of why Israel might be hesitating or why Netanyahu might be hesitating is humanitarian concerns. The concerns raised by all the people that we've been talking about this whole conversation. How much does Israel actually care about those concerns?

So I think Israel does care about these concerns. At the end of the day, Israel is not a superpower. It relies on its allies. It needs diplomatic backing from the rest of the world. It relies extensively on the United States, its biggest patron. And

For all the bravado and bluster that we hear from Israeli leaders, I think they do recognize that they have to sometimes make concessions in the face of diplomatic pressure from abroad. So, for example, Netanyahu, when he was justifying the decision to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza to his base, who had sort of criticized him from the right,

He said, from a diplomatic perspective, not just practically in terms of the situation in Gaza, but also diplomatically, we can't allow things in Gaza to become catastrophic. We can't allow there to be starvation in Gaza. And on one level, you have rhetoric. And then on another level, there's realpolitik and there's interests. And Netanyahu had to sort of walk a fine path.

between these different competing interests, both inside Israel and inside his own coalition, inside his own security establishment, and then also among his allies abroad. Aaron, since we've been talking, the more details have emerged about the shooter.

He's been charged with murder and that he told police that he, quote unquote, did it for Gaza. And it makes me wonder how many people in Israel are looking at the shooting and thinking the world hates us and there could be more of this. Or are people thinking this is exactly how we suspected people felt about us all along and that's why we need to keep fighting?

So some officials have made exactly the latter argument. And that's what Netanyahu was saying. On Thursday night in Israel, he made a statement where he invoked the horrific shooting before pivoting to how Israel couldn't accept an end to the war before Hamas' total defeat. And on the other hand, you also have some people on the left who look at this incident and they draw a totally different conclusion. ♪

From their perspective, it wasn't criticism of the war, which was making the world less safe for Jews and for Israelis. It's just the war, which has had a horrible toll and whose end, as far as all of us can tell, is still nowhere to be seen. Aaron, thank you so much. Thank you, Rachel. We'll be right back.

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