Episode 534: The Story of Laurie Bembenek and the Tragic Murder of Christine Schultz (With Special Guest Holly Madison)
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of course but we're here today to talk about you're not even new show anymore because now it's on season too so the playboy murders and i'm so excited to talk to you about IT. We are basically just going to die rate and because congratulations season too and it's premiering january twenty second yeah monday.

january twenty second. I'm so excited. We have seven episodes season and they're so different. Some of them are kind of famous cases from back in the day. Uh, handful them are cases I never even heard of, some of them involved, people I might and you personally. So i'm really excited about this season.

It's gonna so good and so right of the show and it's just everything about the show is such like a IT just hit s all the things that you like, you know, me like the music, the coLoring of IT like everything I love IT IT just drew me right.

Thank you. Everybody on the team is such a great job. Bos, so happy with season wine. I got more positive feedback on that thing, like anything I ve done in my life. So i'm super excited for everybody to see season till no.

it's so good. My husband, when I we watched season on as soon as I came out and we were hooked standing and I wanted to ask you personally, like what was IT like putting the first season together? Like how much, obviously, so much work when into that?

Yeah, well, the production team is great. They already had the cases picked up before I even joined because when my agent first to told me about the project and that I was called the playboy murder, I was like, no, I don't want to do another. I can't handle another playboy project.

Like, I have nightmares and night if I do that, like, I can't do IT. Okay, we'll just look at this deck and let me know what you think. So we send the deck over where they presented the cases they wanted to do, and a lot of them, more cases.

I'd never even heard, you know, coming from a person who thought he knew everything about what happened to anybody ever involved with playboy. And I was like, this is a show I would actually watch. So I was super excited to get on board, and the experience was great. You know, we shot all of my stuff fault here in vegas and just had a great time doing IT and telling the stories. And for me to see the learning more .

about the case is is so exciting, definitely so good. Second that use start .

watching and you're sharing stories that need to be shared like it's like you said, their stories like even you didn't know about, you're like very well versed and like the history of playboy yeah so it's like these people, they fell all under the radar and it's nice that the show is actually bringing them back into the light.

And I like that you guys kind of cover everything like even unsolved cases and you've cover example if they can get new light .

shut out yeah yeah. I mean, I think that every true crime pretty sear dreams. Maybe you know something to come out of sharing those cases that are unsought, but maybe somebody will come forward to somebody remembers .

something yeah finites. Did anything change with your process um when like you were able to be able to pick some of the cases for season two or did they bring all of the cases to you again?

Yes, he is. We collaborated. And there some cases I knew about, they did know about some people that I met before and have found out that horrible things that happened to them after I lost touch with these people. So I was probably about like fifty fifty cases they came up with and cases they came up with. And they're just the best team to work with and I like them and it's been a lot of fun.

That's that's a dream were able to have to look for your input. Yeah has there been one specific case, either season one or season two, that really stuck with you that I kept you up at night? I know for me it's like dorthy strain and stars to those two ones just really stick with me yeah .

I think for season one star to really stuck with me too. It's one of the unsolved cases at the managing as a playmate so I can relate to some of her story. And I had known what he was before, and I knew that something tragic could happen to before, but I didn't know too many details. And I remember even, you know, back in my playboy days, being very captivated by her photos. They did this really cool, like glam rock Victoria with her about seven, which is very kind of unusual player to do.

Yeah so yeah and .

then this one that we're gonna cover today is sticks of a lot because I just finished reading um lobon bed's autobiography. So really getting into how he felt about the whole case and what he was going through. So right now, that's one that's .

kind of sticking with me. That's kind how I feel right now here.

i'm sure you do, lena. I couldn't .

believe this case.

I couldn't believe i'd never heard of what just happened, like what happened.

Everybody loves there. And you still I think I still don't really know what happened.

You know me either like if somebody y's did IT, I like, I don't know I I don't know.

I don't know you. But yeah, I mean, we should probably just get into IT. So hollywood handed over to you the kind of walk us through the case.

yes. So this case, I got quite a bit of coverage a long time ago, like before your time, early eighties, because this involves 我们 who worked as a player。 Bunny was, I think, framed for a murder.

And he went to prison for nine years. Escape from prison was on the run. The nickname SHE got back when he was on the police force was bb, so everybody had this slogan, run.

Bamb run. Because at this point, everybody was rooting for her. So to get a little more into the story, like I said, this is about a woman in Lorry.

Bbi SHE worked as a playboy bunny for only three weeks at the lake geneva was constant playboy resort. And it's crazy because, you know, even reading her autobiography, SHE wasn't really happy with how he was kind of only known in the process a playboy bunny. And back then, when he was on trial, IT really worked against her because people saw her as like this manipulative FM fortie.

Like using her sexuality against men. Kind, I was kind of twisted that way. And it's crazy because he was only a bunny, but not there's anything wrong being a bunny, but even only bunny for three weeks and any time yeah, people would talk about her in the media.

They would either run a picture of her and her playful bunny, even a form, or a picture for a beer calendar. SHE had done once when he was doing some modeling, when he was Young. They never ran a picture, her in her police officer uniform or anything like that.

So it's just a good example of how somebody is more than just their headlines. And that's why I love getting into these cases, as you can dive into more of who the person was. And Lorenzi of bambini SHE was born in one thousand and fifty eight.

He was the Youngest of three children, born to like a middle class family. And my Walker was concerned. Her father, interestingly enough, was a former police officer, and he had resigned from the job when he had found out or seen some corruption in the police force.

Oh, sure what he saw. But he went on to become a carpenter. After that, SHE went to catholic school. SHE later went on to get her associate degree in fashion merchandising. After that, he worked in retail. SHE did some modeling where he did A, I believe IT was a slit beer calendar, some other things, but that wasn't enough for her. And he decided he wanted to chAllenge, and SHE really wanted to be a police.

It's cool. Got to follow in her dad's .

footsteps too. Yeah, absolutely. And kind of this could have gone so differently. You know, her father resigned from the police force because he saw corruption.

And this could have been a way to like, you know, cirl back around. And but as we'll see in the story, I didn't really go that way of one thousand nine seventy nine. The millwall police department was basically unknown boys club, and they hadn't been, you know, trying to hire women or minorities very much.

But there was encouragement to do so by the time you hit nineteen seventy nine. And they had put an ad in the paper asking for these kinds of recruits. Lorry saw this ad, and he decided to go into the moonwalking police academy.

And, you know, he was five foot ten. He had blond hair, blue eyes. He was really beautiful, high cheek back and spit.

You know, SHE was over the modeling thing. He wanted to do something that he felt had a little more meaning and a little bit more of a chAllenge. You know, he was very athletic.

SHE thrived in the police academy, and in the police academy, you know, very gilling training. And, you know, people would develop these friendships and relationships and come up with nicknamed for each other. And her last name was then bending, but that got turned into bambi.

That became her nickname of the police academy. I don't know that I was necessarily in nickname SHE loved or anything, but that's where later will get like the run. Bon, we runs slogan and everybody's calling your bandy in the media, in this case, eventually broke.

I think I read that he ended up not liking IT because obviously IT took on kind of like a life of its own at that point. Talk like that end of her, like getting out of prison and everything.

Yeah, gonna started a sound very bimbo at the end because here she's been classified is like nothing more than a playboy bunny and being called bb. Yeah.

turn against against her.

There's two different things to that come out about like where that nickname came from and one of them is like a nice are way where it's like he was so fast. And SHE lapped all the guys so they were like, like bambi. She's fast.

And then other people are like, no, it's of her eyes. And yes, I don't know. I like the other one. Yeah i'm sure SHE.

And I I think .

all those reasons are probably reasons that stucki much just so IT all .

fit together.

One interesting to thing to know is when he was in the police academy, SHE made a friend, another woman who was trying to become a police officer and duties. And he would come into play several more times during this case, in this whole journey.

Yeah, judy is a judy, something judie makes a mark. SHE makes you feel.

yeah, he scares me.

He scares me too.

So a lordy graduated. SHE excelled as a congratulations give for herself. SHE brought a bright orange camera and IT was a fast car for a woman who .

was going places, what have about us?

Congratulations to me, gift I love also amazing. I I just think about this time, you know, what was written about IT and SHE just must have felt like life was so promising at this moment.

Ah exactly. SHE. SHE was working for everything he wanted to work for and SHE was succeeding. Where exactly?

But till you can. So she's on the police. She's finishing her training, early police force. And there was a lot of socializing where the lines could get kind of blurred. Apparently, on the police force at this time. There was a lot of, you know, going out to bars and party and things like that.

There was even later on, he would find pictures of these police gatherings in the park in public, where people were like getting naked and like dancing on tables and stuff like were getting naked, just consider like decent exposure. So what are they doing? SHE was just seeing a lot of hypocrisy, and like male officers getting away with a lot of things, but that female officers couldn't get .

away with a huge double standard.

was alone for and they're like ticketing people for indeed an exposure and naked in the park.

Like no what's going on ah and .

issue SHE had was with some of the officers why you know at these social events, people would have a few drinks and they get a little mouthy with each other and you know women would come up to ban b and be like, no, I can see my husband looking at you why why you dress, obey your clothes or something .

like that and just like getting .

A I was thinking .

that too, when I rather, I like how in beer seemed to have to go up to somebody and say, I see how my husband.

Like, I really like, honestly, girl, like, together, lets go yelling at him. Like, i'd really like, why are you yelling at? Mean.

it's so beyond the sex parties and the drugs, allegedly, some of the other officers were up to even more serious things, such as soliciting sex workers on the job, sleeping their ships and squad cars in drugs, using drugs, even selling pornographic material. So a lot, a lot going on.

I'm like when where you guys working in between all that seriously look a lot exact.

And in loris autobiography, there was a lot of that when she's talking about her training and like disputes that would come up and certain shifts and areas of town, the officers wouldn't want to work or they would have this thing where they would have to check in. And like mac phone calls from where they were at certain times of nights back to head porter, just so people they were working.

Some police officers didn't want to do that because a lot of them, I don't want to say a lot of them, but some of them weren't working. They were like sleeping in their cars, are off doing other things. They know on somewhere.

Wow.

that's that's scary, really no lucky what's going on OK. And that comes back later too. Yeah with a certain someone.

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So eventually Lorry got her SHE called to get her schedule and was told not to come in at all. And he was dismissed from the police force because SHE had gone to a concert with a handful of friends, including judie, and judy was caught smoking a joint, and judy somehow said the Lorry was involved in this or that Lori knew about IT and didn't report IT.

And because as a police officer, SHE saw something illegal on and didn't report that that was treated as if he was doing IT too right? And for her, that kind of blue her mind, because she'd seen police do so many other things and actually committing illegal act. So she's like weight.

This doesn't fair. And he started to notice that women weren't lasting on the police force, and people of color weren't lasting on the police force. And that seemed like those candidates are being looked at with a more critical eye and being dismissed.

It's like, okay, we're gona call these people in because of, you know, federal rules or whatever was going on at the time. You know we need more minorities and more women, but they didn't want to to keep those people on the police force. So we thought was the conclusion SHE was .

coming to based on what SHE observes. And you think why SHE thought that exactly? I was like they were looking for the first moment when they could .

clear IT was very performance of like all the tire, all these people like women and people of color and then .

completely get rid of them as soon as we can. Yeah exactly. So even after that, help lorrie remains, for which is here I start to crack like I think we've all in our lifetimes have that toxic friend who, for whatever reason, maybe they are fun, maybe their magnetic, maybe they're fun event too, maybe, you know, whatever, they provide you some support in some ways. So you look over all these kind of toxic things, even something huge, like judy throwing Lorry under the bus and SHE ends up losing her career, basically. But judy, yeah.

big. yes.

Since they're both out of a job, why don't we go down to the like gene, a playboy club, and try out to be bunnies? Because back in the day, you can make a lot of money being a playboy bunny. IT was a jobbery tended to get tipped really well.

You know, you could bring somebody a cup of coffee and get fifty box back in nineteen. Money, huge. So they were down just in time before they were an open casting call and they got the job. And back then at the election, viva club, you were supposed to live down there to dorms.

that sense.

So there are a lot of rules and regulations working as a bony know you to keep your eye customers and like facilitate their experience all over the place, whether there was not the ski shall or in the have a with their performances and things like that.

It's like those clubs seems so glamorous looking on the outside.

No, like the shall and that .

like that just feels like such a glamorous atmosphere and definitely looks like IT.

But then there was like all kinds of shady stuff, unlike behind close doors with the members and stuff. Yeah.

for sure you have the like to see the club sounds really fun. And I guess that was even family friendly too, like you could bring your kids and stay was really, really interesting IT was it's interesting to me just how the brand has been perceived throughout the years and even in the two thousands, like we would be considered really on brand friendly for coming from playboy, things like that. But then you go back to seventies and apparently there was like a resort that was kind of seen as a family with me and that was a boy Brown. So it's it's just interesting to me like where it's gone over the years.

Yeah truly has evolved and it's evolved like like, you know hills .

and valleys.

Ih, yeah, that's so .

fascinating to research, I know, because you always find something new.

Everybody just always feels different. Yeah.

so many layers. So lorri eventually filed a lawsuit, a complaint against the a. Aoki police department, because he felt like he was unfairly dismissed.

So this is kind of something that would hanging over her head a little bit. SHE wasn't satisfied working as a player. Bunny SHE only kept the job for three weeks.

SHE wanted to join the military, but as he was going through that process, SHE found out as long as he had like an open lawsuit going on, SHE could join the military. They did everybody up. Yeah, I didn't know that was a thing.

Yeah, I didn't either. But IT was really important for her to pursue justice. And I wonder sh'll talk about this too much in an autobiography, but I wonder how much of her dad's s experience kind of played into this. It's almost like wanting to finish out like a generational trauma and had resigned from the department after seen corruption. Like I wonder how much of that was in her motivation to go after and do this complaining against police department could definitely see that .

being a driving factor because in a way, like her justice would be his justice. You like on finish business exit .

is a and he was only two. And this going on, it's funny. When we look back on cases, I feel like people became such adults at like A J yeah then so about a one year twenty two year old like I was this idiot girl in college, I look at Lorry story and all the things he had done, and she's doing this big law suit and everything. And it's just crazy like how much are gone on us such a Young age?

I know she's just pursuing so many things like so whole hardened at such a Young age.

just wild yeah. So despite her bridge against the police department, her social circle still included a lot of people connected to the police. And through a friend, SHE met a man named fresh shots. He was a detective on the malloc police department. He was dating a friend of hers, but they call each other others I, and eventually connected after he broke up, broke IT off with the friend fred would tell Lorry, that was a love at first site. And this fred guy, you know, based on her autobiography, seems like a little .

bit of like a love bomber. Yeah.

yeah. definitely. I got. So he was a handsome Lori demand. And even though he was receiving vae threats for pursuing this case against the police department, SHE was falling for fred SHE would have things happened. Like he would go up to her car and find like a .

dead rat on the window is very symbolic.

Yeah, there things happening where he didn't feel a hundred percent safe. Wonder getting involved with a man who was a detective on the force. I wonder if there was a feeling of shelves are a little bit in the IT wouldn't turn out that way.

But I wonder if you're kind of feeling threatened by this big force. You're going up again. St, but you're making these intermition connections with the man who's on the police force. Maybe that deals is little safe in the counter. The way does make some.

you know, I really does. I can finished text hi may .

be somebody he's .

gona like, you know what's going on .

yeah this is the guy that's supposed to like know you like you know intimately and know who you are as a person and know you're not a bad person likes you're hoping that he can convey that to everyone and they're listen to him and stop leaving that rats on your winch and he's a detective which is like he should have a little pull yeah you know he's a little above the patrol leman at that point so it's like you would think he would be able that they would listen to him maybe and take us word.

I take a word at some point.

solution.

So by Christmas that year, Lorry and fred were super close. They were spending every day together. And an important thing to note about fred is he he was recently divorced from a woman named Christine shots. He had two children with her, and he was paying a lot of money in childhood ort alumina. And the for my wife and children were living in a home that he had built himself, kind of his dream house. So I think i'd be safe to say and based done what Lorry around her book that he is harbin, a lot of resentment toward Christine for having to kill that you know she's living in the house and you know he would always speak poorly about Christine to Lorry and IT wasn't agree yeah.

which is not great.

Yeah, definitely not great at all.

yeah. And actually freed. And Christine had only been divorced .

for six months by the time for I am. And there were .

times in lorrie otto biography where SHE mentioned he felt like fred either wasn't completely over Christine or just had some sort of weird obsession. Whether I was in that Christine had moved on with someone else, he was still paying the bills, I don't know, but there was a time or Lorry found the wedding room from Christine and fred's pocket and SHE kind of win off. And like, so what is this something you're caring around?

Yeah, I would be passed off about that.

So few months later, after they were married in the spring of one thousand nine hundred and eighty one, Lorry was abruptly a woken by a phone call from fred IT was a quarter of the three in the morning and he could barely make sense of what he was saying, but he was telling her that something had happened to his x wife, Christine the call in the early morning hours of many twenty eight one thousand nine hundred eighty one might have started late awake, but nothing compared to what I just happened in the house the fred had built with his own two hands.

In the middle night, his eldest son had a woken and described that a man had been standing behind his Younger brother with his hands around the boy's neck. When the boy was able to get free, the man ran from the boy's room and into his mother's room, Christine had screamed, please don't do that. And a sound that the boys described as a firewall, acker echo, through the upstairs.

All they ran to the mother's room is the man who was wearing a Green track suit, allegedly, although later the oldest son would not say no, he was not wearing a Green tracks, that he was actually wearing a Green army jacket. And the boy, in great detail, described how he knew was a jacket, because I was like, kind of flapping at the edges. That was like an army jacket that didn't have any writing or camel.

W. H. Was just kind of that Green army jacket. And he was very specific and describing what he was on the stand, the perpetrator's body as being like, very square shouldered and very straight up and down, like not like a more hour glass female favor, like the all the sun was very. IT was a man who done this.

and they were Young. I think he wasn't the oldest one, like eleven. Yeah, they were my old.

These are Young kids all. so. D and that's a .

really important detail. I didn't realized that he later said IT wasn't a great jogged because the joining suit becomes such an important detail.

IT really does. At two A M, the boys called their mother's boyfriend to come help and set side. They were, even the oldest one was trying to do first aid, the cut, trying to stop the reading.

It's really hard breaking. That is heart renting. Yeah, SHE passed away that night. The next thing you know, all the police officers are at lord's husband's house. The house had built anyway that Christine still lived in.

Every cop in town was there, and IT was almost like they lost one of their own, because is so closely connected to the police department is son had enough. Look at the man who killed PS, the description and intruder, a man around five, eight with a long red pony tale had come in. And they have collected reports from all around neighborhood that people have seen a man wearing a Green truck with a long red pony tail dragging throughout the neighborhood over the past few weeks.

And someone had even found a man in the Green jogging suit with a long red pony tail like a sleeve in a parking lot. yes. And like, take that person on.

So that's really interested. strange. That is strange. So for Lorry, this obviously is a huge shock and a tragedy to lose somebody is close to. But also, SHE finds herself kind of the mother of the two sons.

You got to set up.

Yeah and he was someone who had never wanted to have kids, wasn't really prepared for that, but he really stepped play as he could.

And again, she's so Young when this happens, like tough to step into the role of a mother to two greeted in children like that's huge.

truly traumatic because that's the the sad part about this too is like you can search and search and search and there's like barely any information about Christine because it's really focused on like the this and against that happened afterwards. And it's like I think you can find out that Christian was like thirty years old. He was a mother of two, loved her kids.

And it's like, that's really all you can find out. So IT is like always sad when somebody gets like left behind in these. But if you search, you search.

you can find anything. I just got so sensationalized, I think with all like you said this .

to put IT and the fred comes off from what I read like Christine must have have a hard time dealing with him, constantly fighting about money and things like that.

exactly. Yeah.

I think he was definite unpleasant. I saw some of that, said he was sick of his fillin ways. What you can to see you.

yeah. So standard procedure after a murderer to canvas the area and look at those closest to the victim. That list included at Christians boyfriend, her has been fred Lorry, and there will make duty because I think I gleed to mention spread and Lorry were living with duties as smoking a joy and kind of throw Lorry under the bus.

He was also, their roommates were just trying to make. And me, fred felt like he was giving most of his money as he shot was kids. He was really bitter about not still living in the house, and he wanted to look back into the house after the murder. And Lorry did not want to do that. He was ultimately opposed .

to IT that he really wanted .

to go back to that house .

is really interesting end had was on duty at the time and they didn't have anything to worried about IT seemed um judy and Lorry both refused to take polygraph tests. Lorry was worried that the nook ky. Police department would take her results in this opportunity to use IT against her like he was already afraid of them, yes.

and she'd already gone through so much with them. And then I read somewhere that I came out that fred was lying about being on duty and that he was at, he said he was working with his partner, and then IT came out later that they were actually drinking at a bar. But then some detective looked into that, and there was a lot .

of holes within the story.

So that was even working. Where were you for a story? Is so spect og phy, when friend and his police partner came back to their apartment, they felt the hood of lord's car out and SHE. And he wrote in her book that he thought that was, that's a weird thing to do.

Yeah, car was not warm, so determined that IT couldn't have the driveway that night thought um once inside the house spread grabs his off duty gun and his partner examined at the partners said the gun did not smell like IT had been fired recently a cameras and neither hood turned up well, different people that claim to have seen the man in the red pony tail in the Green track suit. You know, there was the the report that he was seen laying in the hospital's parking lot at some point. And I guess the person who spotted him in the hospital parking lot had been up to approach the man, but he had, like, got out the before they could .

get up to such a strange one.

Yes, sketchy, that he was .

avoiding .

people really weird.

I is your hair.

No, no, i'm willing to bet.

So back to the scene, there was no sign of force. And really so there was the thought that maybe the killer was somebody who knew how to get into the house. A safe that was in the day was tampered with.

There was nothing in IT. So they don't know somebody got what was in IT or what was in IT in the first place. Her Cindy had been shot at close range in the back, and the bullet that killed her had gone through her heart.

Her risk was bound with closed line and a bound down. I was tied around her face as a gag. After examining the body, police discovered a single strands of radish Brown hair like material on her right cap.

A few days after the murder, on june tenth, a plumber was called the apartment complex. The Lorry fred and judy lived in. There was something clogging up the pipes between our apartment and the neighbors. The plummer discovered that the cause of this clock was a red wig. The fibers from the wig matched the hairs that were found on Christine leg. A day later, the detective campi and took freed's two guns, his service revolver and his off duty gun on june teeth police politic CS would find that the gun that Christine matched, the off duty gun that was in the shorts apartment on the night of the murder. Well, fred was at work and Lorry slept at home without an so sadly, things are not looking good for lord at this point.

No, no, it's that flushed wig that is so weird to me. I'm like personal, who flushes a wag down the toilet. And why do .

you call the problem toy overflow? Yeah, we just shoot .

IT back like I would IT wouldn't .

suck IT down every time I try to picture that because .

your toilet have. Because .

toilet .

exactly.

they cut the world. Like, yeah, weird.

And IT just seems like if you were really trying to get rid of that, you would do IT differently. I don't think you flushed down the toilet and maybe you trying to frame .

someone police officers and like, if that was coming out at that house, you've all been police officer is like you all know how this works that seems like a very silly thing for any of you to do to try to get a away with IT. That's such a good point, you know? Yeah yeah. does.

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Lorry was arrested on june twenty fourth despite an I witness account, Christ's own son, who kept insisting that the killer was a man, loris, spent three nights in jail after her arrest. Her husband fred said he could not get the money together to bail her out immediately after her release because he was let go. Eventually, Lorry began doing interviews with the press. SHE wanted to make a clear SHE did not kill Christine sholes and SHE felt he was being set up for speaking .

out against maloka police department that so scary. Can you imagine if that is the truth? how?

So the trial was very sensationalized, and IT was supposed to be the first televised ed trial in the city, which to means crazy. This is like the early eighties, and I have to realized .

they were.

I didn't neither.

yeah. So SHE has been characterised as, you know, the fftt playboy bunny, you know, her looks became a point of contention in the trial. You know, he felt like he couldn't do anything right as far as how he dressed.

If SHE wore anything that looks cute, he was being told SHE was too sexy. If SHE wore like a button up to the neck, hasn't blouse. People didn't like that either. They thought that he was trying to fool everybody and thinking SHE was the school .

marm and know they kind of took that the wrong thing so often. But we're not here to talk about what she's wearing. We're here to hear, what did you do this or not?

It's so silly. What is her cleavage? Have to do with the murder trial?

I have nothing to do with that, right, have you?

This is a red marsha Clark book from O J.

trial. I haven't read IT, but they picked her apart during .

that trial. And like.

he was even on to do her job yeah and he was like.

yeah.

they want you must .

be so hard when you're just trying to like, prove yourself and trying to do your job. Would you have earned and worked for?

And then being the victims family, I would be so pissed off if that's what people were focused, like the lawyers hair, or even the person on trial, their hair, their appearance. I could give two ships. I want to know, did they do this or no, exactly.

That's what we're here for. Yeah, absolutely. So the evidence was mostly circumstantial, but the nail in the coffin was testimony from U. K. G. Oh my.

she's back. Judy claimed .

that he had heard loris say that he should have Christine coron dusted SHE also claimed to know the Lorry and abbott jogger owned a Green track suit. But Lorry, even through her autobiography, insists that he never owned a Green tracks. That was an even a color SHE really ore. So she's being painted as a woman who was both cunning, the doctors, and a woman who is foolish enough to shoot her husband's ex wife with his gun and then flush the evidence in her own apartment. But the jury believed the witness testimony and gave great late to the two downing pieces of evidence, the link to the murder weapon and the red wig found in her own plummers and Lorry was found guilty of first degree murder, and the only twenty three years old was sense to life in prison. Wow.

so like .

that escalated so fast. And it's like you wonder if anybody was like, hey, why would SHE flush a week down the toilet to get rid of IT and then call a plumber to come find IT too? Yeah, why would you do that? Like he was a police officer. Why is no one being .

like that wild? And then the Green jog ensued help so much way and it's like they never even .

searched her s stuff to .

see if he had one yeah that I know no one ever .

found a Green jogging like such a big deal evidence should be and that's the thing is pretty much everything was circumstantial yeah .

and I knew how friends son, who's insisting that is just ridiculous and he's saying .

this was a man. This was a man's built like, i'm sure and I mean, he must he saw this person's face to this person was like choking his brother. Yes, I try to him. It's like I know he was clearly being traumatize at the moment, was under great to rest yeah so I can't imagine that feels but like he got a look and is saying he's confidence then he knows that was a man so it's like take him and to account and .

I was saying to a lena earlier, I I really don't believe that Lorry did IT. I don't know if maybe he was involved somehow. I can't say when where, where but to me IT doesn't make sense that with with Christine being shot at such a close range I feel like he would have been able to fight off Lorry because Lorry a slim like she's tall but she's a pretty slim moment I feel like he could have fought her off but .

remember she's gone through police academy training that's true where you're literally like train to take someone down. That is true that this devils advocating I have I don't believe you really did this, but yeah, I don't know who did this, but just devils advocate.

which is a good point. It's just the fact that is that such close range and that he was even able to like tire up and everything .

and to go after the children first.

to yet to be .

still a child. A strange line of thinking first, I don't know.

think that was the case. Like SHE would not want the kids to exactly that. You d they would recognize .

her like they would not see her face and they would delimit SHE in in this case, SHE would have been actively assaulting them very of each other like that's weird.

And that doesn't make a lot of also with what you ve said earlier, where SHE really stepped into a mom role for them before he was apprehended for this. You would think that they would realized, like he was there that night.

I was her, that would be very messed up to attempt to murder one of them and then step in as the mom like that. That would be strange. Not that people haven't done worse, but like just doesn't. Like not.

And I feel like the boys would have, yeah, would have razed her and recognized her. yeah. And even more tomato zed.

by that. Yeah, absolutely. So SHE goes to prison.

And over the next several years from behind bars, Laura was working diligently to get what he felt like. She'd been denied a fair trial. And SHE was hard at work on appeals.

And while he was in prison, he was really active. SHE did a lot of thing. He started to prison newspaper SHE started collecting cans to raise money for a salad bar elt.

The bood wasn't healthy, and SHE really advocated for Better conditions. So SHE definite kept her soft busy and was going after the appeals. There was even something else in a trial wear. A clerk at a wig store claimed the Lorry had come in and bought a red wig using a check, but lord never even had a checking account.

That was another part to me that was just like, where is gonna blow past that? He said he bought this specific g with a check .

and SHE doesn't have check and check .

that like find me the check .

that yeah you don't have any .

records that's just here.

So it's so crazy and you know was also a dark time for Lorry because he only got two letters from her husband washes in prison. The second one was a letter letting her know that he wants a divorce. He wrote, goodbye and good luck.

wow.

That's b. So one day.

during visiting hours at the prison, a friend of hers had her brother come as a visit Lorry. Lorry thought he was very good looking, and he had just recently gone through divorce. So lorries, friend, you know, canna set them up and thought they would could start like communicating and be ten thousand and stuff.

But they quickly fell in love and decided to get married. Lorries appeals were denied, and eventually they came up with a plan to a escape. And this was quite a detailed plan that loris parents were even involved in.

So Lorry's new husband was talking with lorries parents. They encouraged him to get of a sector y because lorries didn't want kids. They also decided they were going to a escape by driving across the water to canada. And they thought the best way to do that without being called, they needed to come up with fake ideas. And they thought the easier way to do that would be to get real birth certificates.

But how are they gonna that without using Lorry's name? So they decided to, or he did, go to the cemetery and find grave stones of babies who had died and had birthdates that kind of lined up with their ages. So he took down the names and then wrote to the office, the bird certificate office of records, to get new birds certificates for these people.

And I guess he was able to do that on .

what people could get away with back, yes, whatever. So, you know, the office that supplies the birth certificates, like they don't back then, have the computer zed records to enter a name to be like, you know, this person passed away. And for this.

I think you get caught right away with something like that. Like today, you would think you would never get a way with that. No way happened.

Sometimes do people do use like people who have passed their names?

It's very strange that one is chilling though, like using baby's names.

It's like all in the fact that because obviously like computers weren't what they are now or really a thing back then, he had to go to the actual matory like.

yeah that's .

iri commitment.

Oh yeah crazy.

I found his name to its am dominic googoogling to.

I think .

imagining the family of those babies and finding that out later too ah that I would be so mad you anyway hope .

that they didn't .

that they did.

That would be .

a terrible thing to knowledge?

yeah.

No yeah. Unnecessary .

knowledge yeah. So it's year nine of Lorry sentence. And he had been noticing that in the laundry room with the present, there was this little window that was often left open.

So that factored into a plan he was able to squeak through the small window frame out into the cold night, and SHE sprinted toward her new husband. Dominic was waiting there in his car with the birth certificates ready to drive to the canadian border. So they go up to the canadian border. They are asked, you know, what brings you to canada they say, over on our honeymoon and the water patrol officer was like, okay, have a great time. Crazy slipped right through.

So a jail break is always .

going to be a big story. But when that involves somebody like Lorry who had already attracted so much media attention in the first place, IT became a huge story. And at this point time though, everybody who is rather the stories, kind of like the overall public sentiment, is like. People were rooting for her. He was almost like a bony and client thing, like people made t shirts, they made bumper stickers, they made songs, and the slogan was.

run, bb, run that wild. IT really is.

It's crazy just how public c sentiment turns first was this vilified fpl and the nine years later, everybody's rooting .

for her that IT is .

scary how the tide turns so quickly that really does. And it's just a kind of goes to show you like a lot of whatever happened in the in the trial didn't hold that much wait on hearts. The public was .

so willing to be like, I don't know what happened here, but I don't think he was part of.

So they were able to live in a small town in canada for three months. He worked as a wait SHE worked at someone, recognized her. So the canadian mounties ended up the surrounding the restaurant, and Lorry will soon in custody.

That must mean so scary.

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So july, in one hundred and ninety at this point, again, she's Frank page news. The x. Cop had been on the land for months, and he was finally in police custody.

However, he refused to go back to the U. S. And filed for asylum in canada. SHE couldn't go back to the states and fed the same system that he claimed to treat her so unjust leave before journalists clAmber to get to canada for an exclusive with her.

Canadian officials were sympathetic to loris case and granted her asylum and only returned her tourist concern after obtaining a commitment that there would be a review of her case. He returned to the states in April. At one thousand nine ninety one, there was enough, police had my hand, the investigation.

That Lorry was given the right to a new trial, not wanting to risk the same prejudice to our good looks. And overall, infineon SHE believed to have happened in her first trial. Lorry took a deal SHE plead no contest to the second degree murder and was sentenced to twenty years, which was commuted the time served. SHE was released from custody three hours after the hearing, having served a little over ten years for the murder of Christine shots.

which, to me, the fact that they were willing to give her time served for murder. I'm like, yeah, I don't I don't think you guys converted.

Yeah, I think so. I think they look back on this case that was very circumstantial. There were a lot of conflicting stories. IT wasn't really enough to hold water.

which is such a tragedy for Lorry one. And then for Christine to that, yeah, perhaps her the real persson, and that murdered her. I mean, got away with IT forever. Yeah.

just walking around.

Exact, it's so scary. So Lorry went on to do a lot of things. Choose artist SHE had exhibitions.

SHE moved to washing state to be closer to her parents who lived in vancouver at the time. He went on to write a book about her experience called a woman on trial. I just finished this really good.

And SHE even had an interesting incident with doctor fill. SHE continued to do. Press was on the open show. SHE won on doctor fill.

And what SHE was going to do on doctor fill was he was going to do um A D N A test on some evidence they had and SHE was going to go back on the doctor field so kind of open the envelope and reveal like whether or not IT was her DNA or not and while uh the DNA test was happening, SHE was request red and I believe IT was like a rented apartment and SHE was supposedly like locked in there with no phone on or anything and I guess to ensure that the result that would be a surprise on the show. And SHE kindly came down like this P. T.

S. D. attacks. He was getting flashbacks from prison and he was getting really panning. SHE was in the apartment on the second floor and SHE ended IT up jump, ended up jumping out the window and SHE entered herself so badly that he had to have .

the lower part of one leg and that when that absolutely internet, SHE severed an artery and like, fractured a couple bones, and then I became infected. So IT was amputated from the need down.

oh, oh, my god. And I think it's a scary and strange story. And IT is not what the D.

N. A. A. Results ended up being inconclusive. So that .

did so .

wasn't that's awful. wow.

Not that they could try her again, but if IT wasn't so, IT didn't .

matter either way. Yeah, Lori was died out of P, T, S. D. SHE had petito c and suffered from alcoholism, which LED to passing away at a Young age. Issue was only in early fifties when he passed away from liver in kiddy failure in two thousand ten.

So Young.

so Young, definitely. And what a way to go. I mean.

that's an awful, what a life yeah, a lot packed into a short period of time and .

just really marked with tragedy. And he never got the justice that I think he deserved personally.

absolutely. And I must have been so stressed going through all about that. Of course, by the time you're in your forties and fifties, you know you may be you're dependent on substances in your bodies really been through IT and yeah and just, I believe, LED to a really Young death for .

her .

yeah absolutely. And there's all kinds of unanswered questions in this case. Like I read that there was male DNA found on Christ's body that never really got tested.

And IT seems that her boyfriend at the time was cleared. So you wonder, like he had to have been cleared somehow. So did they test that DNA?

And I think they cleared him with an a alibi with an alibi. So maybe they .

didn't even and it's so why didn't anybody ever test that? DNA? Yeah, so weird. And then there was like, there was hair. I think that was the hair that was not the one found on Christians caffe, because I think that was the wig hair. But there was other hair found at the crime scene, and they they came out.

A hair analyst from A A crime lab in medicine, wisconsin concluded that they were consistent with blond hairs that were found in lories brush. But then the medical examiner who worked on the case came out later and completely oppose that claim. And SHE said, I recovered no blond or red hairs of any length throw textures.

All the hairs I recovered from the body were Brown, and we're grossly identical to the hair of the victim. And then he went on. I do not like to suggest that evidence was altered in any way, but I can find no logical explanation for what amounted to the appearance of black hair in an envelope that contained no such hair at the time that was sealed by me.

Yeah that .

that that is the .

fact that mean because I don't think that the the uh the hair analyst at the crime lab was lying.

obviously but it's like the hair was in the envelope. It's like how to get in the envelope. And I mean, sorry, but who had access to the brush? The medical examiners coming right out and being like, I don't like to because it's like i'm not going to say but like IT wasn't there when I saw IT.

right? I had to that there yeah and then so crazy IT is and then I also read and this is I think this was just recently reported on that IT was reported on by malloc magazine. They said new ballistics tests revealed that the gun that Lorry supposed the used was actually not the murder weapon.

That's interesting. And I couldn't find like .

really anything else on that, but they they retested some other guns and he was at .

least coming into question .

there was coming into question. So there's just a lot unanswered here. Oh, then one more thing, fred, I guess, was allegedly in one of the incriminating photos that Lori had.

So first book SHE .

fell on included the really like new thread.

SHE is very a read .

for revenge pouring. But no, in a public place, IT wasn't like IT was a self. He he sent .

her anything. yes. So that's interesting that he in one of those picture, and i'm not saying anything, it's just interesting that he was in one of those photos and that he was gonna go to the department with .

those po is interesting. I don't know there's this just so much like dirty stuff happening in that environment that it's like it's all been so tainted yeah it's started hard to .

find any truth .

IT started with corruption .

and I feel like that ended with, at the very least, just missed and ling, yeah so and it's really .

sad it's it's so sad for Lorry because I really don't believe he did IT.

And in life again.

I don't know who did IT, but I really don't think he did IT. And I think SHE to have that kind of life based on that is wild and so sad and tragic and then it's so sad for Christine and her two boys like her, I don't know. For two boys, one know are trying to move on and don't wanna know, but it's like to not know who did that. Yeah, I can't even imagine.

And it's so sad. Yeah, it's so sad all the way around. It's such a crazy .

situation yeah I hope that somehow they could like test that DNA and you know maybe the playboy murder will make people want to yeah make that .

happen more maybe that would be very interesting for sure.

To be crazy happening is just one of the stories that you're going to cover in your new series.

and i'm so excited to see serious. So thanks so much. Really proud of you. And you did a great job telling that story about .

the way you really did. I was never as I got. I got a story. Their style .

IT was perfect. You did a great job. That's a captivating story for sure is and i'm just onna, have you say really quickly where people can watch IT? Because I did not ask you where people can watch .

the new show oh yeah, the playboy mood season to premiers on monday, january twenty second on investigation discovery. And after that I will be available to streaming bon max.

so I yeah.

we love I D discovery here yes yes.

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