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Does the Military Have an Extremism Problem?

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Tom Bowman: 作为一名长期报道军事新闻的记者,我对军方人员参与国会骚乱并不感到意外。极端主义团体常常招募退伍军人,利用他们的军事训练和经验。虽然并非所有参与者都具有暴力倾向或隶属于极端组织,但许多人相信特朗普关于选举被窃取的说法。这反映出军方内部可能存在政治极端主义问题,尤其是在特朗普再次当选总统的情况下。 Lauren Hodges: NPR 的调查显示,在参与国会骚乱的被捕人员中,有相当一部分人有军方背景,比例远高于普通人群。这其中包括现役军人和退伍军人,海军陆战队比例尤其高。这表明军方内部可能存在系统性问题,需要进一步调查和解决。 Joshua Bates: 作为一名参与国会骚乱的现役海军陆战队士兵,他试图将自己描绘成一名和平抗议者,否认参与暴力行为。然而,视频证据显示他参与了煽动性活动,例如在马丁·路德·金雕像上戴上 MAGA 帽子。这引发了对其行为是否属于极端主义活动的讨论。 Bishop Garrison: 作为五角大楼负责打击极端主义的顾问,他提出了一个两部分的极端主义定义:宣扬极端主义意识形态和基于该意识形态采取行动。他认为,许多军人对极端主义的定义存在误解,这使得打击极端主义工作更加复杂。他的工作也因此受到了右翼的强烈攻击。 Lloyd Austin: 国防部长奥斯汀对军方内部的极端主义威胁表示担忧,并下令进行全军范围的“暂停”行动,以提醒军人其誓言和行为准则。 Pete Hegseth: 特朗普提名的国防部长人选,他公开反对打击极端主义的努力,并可能取消相关措施。这使得军方打击极端主义的未来充满不确定性。

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What was the impact of the January 6, 2021, Capitol attack?

The attack resulted in four deaths, 140 law enforcement officers wounded, and nearly $3 million in damage. It was an attempt to disrupt the certification of the 2020 election results, with many participants having military ties.

How many people with military ties were involved in the January 6 Capitol riot?

Of the 1,500 people arrested, approximately 200 had military experience, representing about 13% of those involved. This is double the proportion of military veterans in the general population.

Why are veterans and active-duty military members targeted by extremist groups?

Extremist groups like the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys often recruit veterans due to their military training and experience. This makes them valuable assets for such organizations.

What actions has the military taken to address extremism in its ranks?

The military initiated a 'stand down' to train service members on prohibited activities, such as extremist and overtly political actions. However, confusion remains about what constitutes extremism, and data collection on such incidents has been slow.

What challenges did Bishop Garrison face while defining extremism for the military?

Bishop Garrison faced significant backlash from right-wing media and received threats after being tasked with defining extremism. His work was politicized, and his recommendations, including tracking extremism cases, were largely ignored by military leadership.

What was the outcome for Joshua Bates, the active-duty Marine involved in the Capitol riot?

Joshua Bates received a light criminal sentence of community service and faced a Marine Corps retention hearing. The panel voted to keep him in the Corps, but the final decision rests with the Secretary of the Navy, which remains unresolved.

How might the Trump administration impact the military's efforts to combat extremism?

Under Trump, efforts to address extremism in the military may be rolled back. Trump's nominees, such as Pete Hegseth, have expressed opposition to diversity and anti-extremism programs, potentially reversing recent reforms.

What is the significance of the Marine Corps' overrepresentation in the January 6 riot?

The Marine Corps had the highest proportion of participants relative to its size among military branches. Researchers suggest this may be due to the Corps' traditional, conservative, and physically aggressive culture.

What is the military's current stance on extremism within its ranks?

Military leadership, including top Marine officer General Eric Smith, has downplayed the issue, claiming there is no significant extremism problem. However, no comprehensive data has been collected to support this assertion.

What are the potential consequences of political extremism in the military?

Extremism in the military could lead to internal threats, undermining national security. Researchers warn that without addressing the issue, a major incident involving harm or violence may be required to prompt action.

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As Congress meets tomorrow to certify the results of the 2024 election, it also marks the 4-year anniversary of the attack on the Capitol. The participants of the riot on January 6, 2021 intended to disrupt the certification process of the 2020 election results. When it was all over four people were dead, 140 law enforcement officers were wounded and there was nearly $3 million in damage.There were people from all walks of life at the Capitol that day, but one thing that many of them had in common? Military ties. That reality is something that the military is still grappling with today. On this episode of The Sunday Story from Up First, we are joined by NPR Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman and producer Lauren Hodges, who were both at the Capitol reporting that day. Last year they released a new investigation with NPR's Embedded podcast called "A Good Guy," about an active duty Marine who participated in the Capitol riot.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices)NPR Privacy Policy)