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Pentagon Upheaval, Hamas Releases More Hostages, NY State Prisons

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Tom Bowman: 我报道了特朗普总统解雇参谋长联席会议主席和海军上将,以及超过5000名国防部文职人员的事件。国防部长彼特·黑格塞思在他的书中声称,这些解雇是因为这些军官被认为是由于种族或性别原因而被任命,而不是因为他们的能力。这其中包括对将军和海军上将的解雇,以及对5400名文职人员的裁员,这被认为是更大规模裁员计划的第一阶段。 这些解雇引发了人们对国防部领导层和决策过程的担忧。许多人认为,这些决定是基于政治动机,而不是基于军事战略或专业能力。此外,这些解雇也可能对军队士气和稳定性产生负面影响。 总的来说,这些事件突显了美国国防部内部的政治紧张局势和权力斗争。 Kat Lonsdorf: 我报道了哈马斯释放更多以色列人质的事件,这是该组织与以色列停火协议的一部分。这次释放包括四名在2023年10月7日袭击中被俘的男子,以及两名被关押在加沙地带长达十年的以色列人。 这次释放也涉及到之前错误识别的一具尸体。哈马斯最初归还的尸体并非以色列母亲希里·比巴斯的尸体,而是另一名身份不明的妇女。后来,哈马斯归还了比巴斯的尸体,法医证实她和她两个年幼的儿子都被谋杀了。 这次释放是停火协议第一阶段的最后一次活人质释放。协议的下一阶段谈判尚未开始,但哈马斯表示已准备好立即进行谈判。然而,以色列政府内部对继续停火存在分歧,一些极右翼成员希望立即恢复战争。 Emily Russell: 我报道了纽约州监狱看守因工作条件恶劣和人手不足而罢工的事件。看守们表示,他们工作过度,人手不足,工作环境危险。罢工始于几家监狱,并蔓延到该州42家监狱中的38家。 看守们提出了多项要求,其中一项关键要求是废除《暂停单独监禁法案》(HALT Act),该法案限制了他们使用单独监禁的权力。罢工导致囚犯感到被抛弃和不安全,州长凯西·霍楚尔已部署3500名纽约国民警卫队士兵来协助维护监狱安全。 此外,在奥格登斯堡和马龙的两家监狱,看守们离开了岗位,导致囚犯在数小时内无人监管。与此同时,几名监狱官员因去年12月致命殴打囚犯罗伯特·布鲁克斯而被指控犯有谋杀罪。州长霍楚尔在一份声明中表示,这些官员被指控犯有谋杀罪是理所当然的。

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President Trump fired General Charles Q. Brown Jr., the second African-American chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, along with other top military officials and over 5,000 personnel. This decision sparked controversy, with accusations of the firings being motivated by race rather than merit. The firings will lead to cost savings that will be used to build more submarines, drones, and missile defense.
  • General Charles Q. Brown Jr. fired by President Trump
  • Controversy surrounding the firings and accusations of racial motivation
  • Over 5,000 civilian employees let go from the DOD
  • Cost savings to fund military modernization

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Upheaval at the Pentagon. President Donald Trump fires the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Top military lawyers are also out, as are more than 5,000 personnel. I'm Ayesha Roscoe. And I'm Scott Simon, and this is Up First from NPR News.

Hamas frees more Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners. The militant group has also returned the body of Sherry Bibas, whose remains were initially misidentified in an earlier handover. We'll have the latest. And in New York State, the governor has deployed National Guard troops to help secure prisons. That's amid protests by corrections officers. Some are on strike. Guards at two prisons walked off the job last week.

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Air Force General Charles Q. Brown Jr., the second African-American to serve as the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, is now out of a job. He was fired last night by President Trump. Trump has nominated Air Force Lieutenant General Dan Kaine as his replacement. And Parapentagon correspondent Tom Bowman joins us with more details about this and other Department of Defense shakeups. Tom, thanks for being here. Good to be with you, Scott. What happened?

Well, you know, it is stunning, but it actually was expected. Scott, there's been talk for weeks that General Brown would be fired. And a lot of this comes down to a sense the general was chosen for the post because of the color of his skin, not his ability. Now, again, he's a second African-American after Colin Powell to hold a top military job. But Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth wrote in his book, War and Warriors, that

Brown should be fired because he was pushing diversity programs and questioned whether he got the job because of the color of his skin or his skill. Texas said he made the race car his biggest calling card. Now, Brown did make an emotional video after the death of George Floyd, recalling his discrimination he felt rising through the ranks in the Air Force. But Brown's an accomplished F-16 pilot, held numerous commands,

And also, it was Trump during his first term who nominated him to become Air Force chief. Who's General Kane, man set to replace him? General Kane, he's an F-16 pilot like C.Q. Brown. He rose up through the ranks and met Trump while he was stationed in Baghdad back in 2018-19. And Trump said Kane told him that ISIS could be defeated quickly, and Trump said he delivered quickly.

And what's important to note, Scott, is that Brown came up with the strategy to defeat ISIS. He was going to treat it as a state, not as a terror group where you provide air support to the Kurdish fighters on the ground. He went after their infrastructure, went after their banks. That's what ended the Islamic State.

You know, that's something that Trump never mentioned. And Dan Kaine more recently spent time working at the CIA. Several people I spoke with at the Pentagon and on Capitol Hill said they had to Google him. He's a retired three-star, so he'll have to come back on active duty, be promoted to four-star rank, and will need Senate approval.

Secretary Hegseth also fired the top admiral of the Navy, Admiral Lisa Franchetti, the first woman to hold the job. And that's, of course, along with a lot of other firings. Tell us about that. Well, again, Hegseth said in his book, you know, she was chosen because of her gender. She rose up the ranks herself, was a commander to destroyer, two carrier strike groups, and also the sixth fleet that covers Europe and Asia. So

Again, this was expected as well. The sense was that her time was coming because, again, they saw her as a diversity hire, as woke. But again, Scott, these admirals and generals, they follow policy. They don't come up with these diversity programs. They're following policy set by civilians. And now they're paying the price.

More than 5,000 civilians also being let go from the DOD, aren't they? That's right. We'll see that next week. Roughly 5,400, we're told, throughout the Pentagon and also the defense agencies. And that's the first tranche, we're told, of up to 55,000 civilian probationary workers who will be let go. And the savings from these firings and other cuts to programs will be used to build more submarines, drones, and also missile defense.

NPR Pentagon correspondent Tom Bowman, thanks so much for being with us, Tom. You're welcome, Scott. Today, another release of living Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners. It's the last such exchange in the first phase of the ceasefire between Hamas and Israel. NPR's Kat Lonsdorf joins us now. Kat, thanks for being with us. Hey, good morning. What can you tell us about the hostages released today?

So the hostages released today are four men who had been captured in the October 7th, 2023 Hamas attack on southern Israel and held captive throughout the war. And then also two hostages that had been held in Gaza for around a decade. One is an Ethiopian Israeli man and the other is a Bedouin Arab citizen of Israel. Both of them had been taken captive after they had crossed into Gaza on their own years ago in separate incidents. And what were today's releases like?

So in Gaza, it was a bit more complicated than other releases in the past. The six were released in three different locations throughout the Gaza Strip. But generally, the scene was similar to others that we've seen in this past month. The hostages were brought on a stage by a masked Hamas gunman with a huge crowd of Palestinian onlookers before being released to the International Committee of the Red Cross and then driven to meet Israeli forces.

In exchange for these hostages, and the four bodies returned earlier this week, Israel has agreed to release more than 600 Palestinians from Israeli jails. What details do you have about that?

So this is the largest release of Palestinian prisoners and detainees at one time during this ceasefire. Among them are prisoners serving life sentences for deadly attacks on Israelis, but also many who have been held in administrative detention without charge or sentences, including women and minors. More than 400 of them are Palestinians who had been detained in Gaza during the war, and they're going to be released back to Gaza. Others are being deported to Egypt.

Kath, there was a mix-up with one of the bodies Hermas released earlier this week. It was supposed to be that of an Israeli mother returned with the bodies of her two young sons who were slain, but it wasn't. What's the latest?

Yeah, so this was the body of Shiri Bibas, who had been captured with her husband and two young sons on October 7th, 2023. And together, the family had become a symbol in Israel of the hostage struggle. Hamas says Shiri and her two children were killed in an Israeli airstrike earlier

early in the war. Hamas supposedly released their bodies on Thursday, like you said, but when they were taken to a forensic lab here in Israel, it was found that the woman's body was not Shiri. It was an unidentified woman. Hamas then gave a different body back to Israel late last night. That body was then positively identified as Shiri. The forensic examiner here in Israel found that all three, Shiri and her two young sons, had been, quote, murdered, but did not provide further details or evidence as to how.

This is the last scheduled release of hostages who are alive from Gaza in the first phase of the agreement. What's next?

So there are four more bodies set to be released next week in this first phase. But there are still dozens of hostages in Gaza. Talks for the next phase of the deal, they were supposed to start weeks ago and they haven't started yet. Hamas has said it's ready to, quote, engage immediately in negotiations. But the situation here in Israel is really complicated. Several far right members in Israel's government want the war to resume immediately.

Meanwhile, most of the Israeli public want the ceasefire to continue and the rest of the hostages to be released. Here's 43-year-old Liat Ellert. She talked to NPR producer Itay Stern this morning and a crowd of people gathered in Tel Aviv in support of the hostages.

If you're walking around here and seeing all the people here, the people of Israel voting with their hands, feet, whatever they can do, and doing everything they can in their power to bring those hostages back home. You know, many of the Israelis we talked to today had a similar sentiment. They want this war to be over, and they want the rest of the hostages released. And here's Kat Lonsdorf in Tel Aviv. Thanks so much, Kat. Thank you. Thank you.

Prison guards protesting working conditions they say are unfair and unsafe have been on strike across New York State since Monday. Inmates say they feel abandoned and unsafe. And there have been other developments this week. A group of correctional officers were charged in a fatal beating of an inmate. North Country Public Radio's Emily Russell joins us. Emily, thanks for being with us. Good morning, Scott. And what has prompted the prison strikes in New York this week?

Well, corrections officers say they're overworked, they're understaffed, and they say they face dangerous conditions on the job. The strike started at a few prisons Monday morning and has spread to 38 of the state's 42 prisons. I should note it's actually illegal for New York State employees to go on strike, but that hasn't stopped this one. Corrections officers are making a number of demands. A key one is to repeal the HALT Act.

which limits their use of solitary confinement. We talked to a retired corrections officer, Gregory King, at the strike outside the prison in Dannemora this week. Inmates now don't have any repercussions for their actions. The flow of fentanyl and other drugs within the facility is out of control, so it's becoming unsafe for everybody that's working in there. Governor Kathy Hochul has deployed 3,500 New York National Guard troops to help secure prisons during the strikes.

I gather tensions also on the rise of two prisons in northern New York this week. What happened there?

Well, part of the issue with these officers striking has been that the ones working inside these prisons don't have many people to relieve them. Now, it's a little unclear what exactly happened at these prisons, but in Ogdensburg, we know that there were officers who were on duty who, quote, vacated their posts Wednesday night and left inmates unsupervised for hours. That's according to the state's Department of Corrections. So,

A similar thing happened at one of the prisons in Malone on Thursday. What are you able to hear from inmates and groups that speak for them? Well, they say inmates are the ones suffering because of the strikes. The state has canceled visits at all prisons. Advocates say that adds a layer of isolation on top of the push to allow officers more leeway with solitary confinement. I

I talked to Thomas Gant. He served 25 years behind bars and now works for the Center for Community Alternatives. That's an advocacy group based in New York City. The answer isn't to continue to lock people away and confine them. The answer is to give programs, to give skills, not just teaching a person how to mop and sweep a floor, but give them more contemporary skills.

Gantt and a number of other advocates think the prison strikes are an attempt to distract from something else that happened this week, the arrest of officers charged with fatally beating an inmate back in December. And Emily, please remind us about that incident and how it might figure into this week's arrests. Yeah, so back in December, several corrections officers at a prison near Utica, New York, fatally beat an inmate. His name was Robert Brooks.

Body camera footage shows Brooks in handcuffs as officers punch and kick and choke him. His death was ruled a homicide, and on Thursday, six officers were charged with murder. Three others were charged with manslaughter for not intervening. Every officer arraigned this week has pleaded not guilty. And how has the governor of New York responded to all this?

Well, in the case of Robert Brooks, Governor Hochul said in a statement that corrections officers had been, quote, rightfully charged with murder. As for the strikes, the state has tried to meet some of the demands. It has temporarily suspended parts of the HALT Act, so giving officers more flexibility to use solitary confinement. And mediation talks are set to begin on Monday between state officials and the union that represents corrections officers.

You know, all of this has happened the same week the governor is dealing with a few other big issues, one being New York City Mayor Eric Adams and the Justice Department's involvement in his corruption case. And then President Donald Trump moved to reverse the city's congestion pricing plan. So it's been a chaotic week in New York, to say the least. North Country Public Radio's Emily Russell. Emily, thanks so much for being with us. Thanks, Scott.

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