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Theocrats on the Doorstep of Power

2025/1/12
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Aisha Roscoe
美国记者,目前担任 NPR 的《周末版星期日》主播,曾任白宫记者。
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Andrew Whitehead
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Doug Wilson
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Gabe Wrench
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Gabriel Wrench
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Heath Druzen
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Toby Sumter
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Heath Druzen: 基督教民族主义运动是一个广泛的运动,其核心思想之一是"统治论",即基督教应该统治生活的方方面面,基督教的教义应该成为社会的基础。这个运动的影响力在唐纳德·特朗普当选总统后显著增强。爱达荷州莫斯科市的基督教会及其牧师道格·威尔逊是该运动的一个中心,威尔逊建立了一个由教会、学校和媒体组成的"基督教产业综合体",试图影响美国社会。威尔逊将他的教育事业视为"文化战争"中的武器,他培养的学生是这场战争中的"士兵"。基督教民族主义者公开表示他们希望美国成为一个明确的基督教国家,他们认为不信奉耶稣的人是上帝的敌人。他们正在努力创建一个由基督徒提供的商品和服务的平行社会,为一个基督教的美国铺平道路。他们对基督教的理解非常狭隘,他们只认为某些新教教派是真正的基督教。基督教民族主义运动与白人至上主义运动之间存在联系,道格·威尔逊曾参与撰写美化奴隶制和南方邦联的著作。爱达荷州的立法为其他州的类似立法提供了蓝本,这预示着基督教民族主义运动在全国范围内的影响力可能会进一步扩大。 Doug Wilson: 我认为基督教信仰是繁荣社会的理想道德原则,只有基督徒才能竞选公职才能维护社会秩序。我的教育机构应该培养能够挑战世俗主义,并影响文化和社会各个方面的人才。我希望美国国会和总统承认耶稣基督的权威。 Gabriel Wrench: 我认为基督教信仰是繁荣社会的理想道德原则,只有基督徒才能竞选公职才能维护社会秩序。我们必须成为快乐的战士,快乐和感恩是可以传染的。不信奉耶稣的人是上帝的敌人,处于与上帝对抗的状态。 Aisha Roscoe: 基督教民族主义者对基督教的理解非常狭隘,他们只认为某些新教教派是真正的基督教。基督教民族主义者正在努力创建一个由基督徒提供的商品和服务的平行社会,为一个基督教的美国铺平道路。 Toby Sumter: 我们相信圣经中关于创世记的描述,包括龙和独角兽等超自然生物。 Andrew Whitehead: 基督教民族主义者反对民主,因为他们意识到民主可能无法实现他们想要的政治结果。他们试图通过剥夺某些群体(如女性、非基督徒和LGBTQ+群体)的投票权来获得权力。

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What is the core ideology of Christian nationalism as described in the podcast?

Christian nationalism advocates for Christianity to rule all aspects of life, with Christ's teachings as the foundation for society. A key concept is dominionism, which asserts that Christians should dominate political, social, and cultural institutions.

Who is Doug Wilson, and what role does he play in the Christian nationalist movement?

Doug Wilson is the pastor of Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho, and a prominent figure in the Christian nationalist movement. He leads a congregation of 800-900 people, has built a network of nearly 500 Christian schools nationwide, and runs a publishing house and media empire. He views his educational system as 'munitions factories' for the culture wars.

What is the 'Christian industrial complex,' and how does it operate?

The 'Christian industrial complex' refers to the extensive network of institutions created by Doug Wilson, including churches, schools, media, and publishing. This ecosystem aims to shape culture by producing students, authors, and leaders who promote Christian nationalist ideals. It operates through real estate investments, educational systems, and media platforms to spread its influence.

How do Christian nationalists view non-Christians in terms of political participation?

Christian nationalists believe that only Christians should hold political power. Prominent figures like Gabriel Wrench explicitly state that non-Christians, including Jews, Muslims, and atheists, should not be allowed to run for office, as they see Christianity as essential for maintaining societal order.

What is the Fight, Laugh, Feast conference, and what is its purpose?

Fight, Laugh, Feast is a Christian nationalist conference that brings together fundamentalist Christians to discuss strategies for making America a Christian nation. It features speakers like Doug Wilson and focuses on creating a parallel Christian society, with attendees planning how to influence politics, culture, and education.

How does the Christian nationalist movement address declining Christian demographics in the U.S.?

Christian nationalists recognize that America is becoming less Christian and see democracy as a threat to their goals. They propose disenfranchising voting blocs that oppose their theocracy, such as women, non-Christians, and LGBTQ+ individuals, to maintain power despite being a minority.

What is the connection between Christian nationalism and historical movements like the Ku Klux Klan?

Christian nationalism shares ideological roots with the Ku Klux Klan, particularly in its emphasis on Protestantism and whiteness. Doug Wilson, for example, co-wrote a pamphlet that whitewashed slavery and portrayed the Confederacy as victims, highlighting the movement's historical baggage and racial undertones.

How is Christian nationalism gaining influence at the national level?

Christian nationalism is gaining influence through key political appointments and policy initiatives. Figures like Russ Vogt, architect of Project 2025, and Fox News personality Pete Hegseth, who is connected to Doug Wilson's network, are pushing for biblical principles in government. Their efforts are supported by an ecosystem of schools, churches, and media that promote Christian nationalist ideology.

What are some examples of how Idaho serves as a testing ground for Christian nationalist policies?

Idaho has passed laws that serve as blueprints for Christian nationalist policies, such as early anti-trans legislation and restrictive library bills that target materials on LGBTQ+ themes and people of color. These laws reflect the movement's broader goals of controlling education and culture.

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This chapter explores the broad definition of Christian nationalism, its core ideologies like dominionism, and its evolution from a fringe movement to a significant force, especially after Donald Trump's election. The role of Trump's rhetoric in amplifying Christian nationalist beliefs is also discussed.
  • Christian nationalism is a broad movement with unifying ideologies such as dominionism (Christianity ruling all aspects of life).
  • Initially considered fringe, it gained prominence after Donald Trump's election.
  • Trump's rhetoric about Christians being under siege and the need to bring back Christianity resonated with Christian nationalists.

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If you've been following the news over the last year, you've likely heard about the rise of the Christian nationalism movement. Today on The Sunday Story, Ayesha Rascoe sits down with journalist Heath Druzin, creator of the Extremely American podcast series, to take a closer look at one group of Christian nationalists. Druzin interviewed leaders of an influential far-right church in the small town of Moscow, Idaho: Christ Church. There, Pastor Doug Wilson has been building what Druzin and his co-reporter James Dawson call a "Christian industrial complex." And its influence reaches far beyond the boundaries of Moscow, Idaho.You can listen to the latest season of Extremely American here), or download the full series wherever you listen to podcasts.Learn more about sponsor message choices: podcastchoices.com/adchoices)NPR Privacy Policy)