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Ukraine-Russia Peace, Noncitizens And Due Process, Khartoum Destroyed

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Michelle Martin 和 A. Martinez: 报道了乌克兰坚持在与俄罗斯达成和平协议之前必须先停火,以及特朗普政府声称无法为所有被驱逐者提供审判的立场。 Joanna Kakissis: 报道了最近俄罗斯对基辅的袭击,以及乌克兰民众对特朗普政府在和平谈判中对俄罗斯的让步表示愤怒和悲伤。许多乌克兰人认为特朗普为了快速达成协议而牺牲了乌克兰的利益,他们不接受乌克兰被占领土成为俄罗斯一部分。 Ximena Bustillo: 报道了特朗普政府快速驱逐的行动,批评者认为这绕过了所有在美国的人都应该享有的正当程序。特朗普政府官员声称司法程序只适用于美国公民,而立即驱逐适用于非法外国人。然而,批评者指出,宪法没有区分公民和非公民在适用正当程序和司法审查方面的保护。剥夺一个群体的正当程序会为其他人带来风险,因为政府可能会犯错,而错误可能会造成生命损失。Kilmar Abrego Garcia 的案例说明了由于程序错误导致的严重后果。特朗普政府还增加了无需法院听证即可驱逐的人数,终止了为超过20,000名未获得法律地位的未成年人提供法律服务的合同,并解雇或接受了包括数十名法官在内的100多名法院工作人员的辞职。 Emmanuel Akinwotu: 报道了苏丹首都喀土穆在两年的内战后遭到系统性破坏,以及人道主义危机的严重性。快速支援部队洗劫了喀土穆,造成了严重的破坏,城市几乎无法居住。医院不堪重负,面临着严重的营养不良问题。战斗已经转移到喀土穆郊区和达尔富尔地区。 Kelly Gaffigan: 分享了她对教皇方济各的回忆,认为他总是为人民和地球的最佳利益着想。

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The Trump administration is demanding that Ukraine accept a peace deal favoring the Kremlin. Ukraine says a ceasefire must be in place first. With so little progress on the ceasefires, there's still a chance for peace. I'm Michelle Martin, that's A. Martinez, and this is Up First from NPR News.

President Trump says it's not possible for all of the people he wants to deport to get a trial. Top officials in his administration have said that due process is only for U.S. citizens. What rights do non-citizens have in this process? And the civil war in Sudan started in the capital city of Khartoum. After two years of brutal fighting, the once vibrant city is in ruins. NPR is one of the few Western news outlets to gain access to the city to see the destruction. We'll have a report from our correspondent. State

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Ukraine is marking a day of mourning today. At least 12 people died in Russian drone and missile strikes on the Ukrainian capital of Kyiv. President Trump scolded Russian President Vladimir Putin on social media for the attacks. Trump says he wants peace quickly. He says Ukraine must accept concessions and that Russia is making a pretty big concession by not occupying all of Ukraine. NPR's Ukraine correspondent Joanna Kikisis joins us now from Kyiv. Joanna, tell us more about this latest Russian attack on the capital.

Well, A, there is a lot of anger and grief here, as to be expected. We spoke with 40-year-old Maria Rumyantseva, who scrambled to evacuate her elderly mother before a Russian missile destroyed their home. She said Russian attacks on Ukraine seem to have escalated after Trump started accommodating Russia in peace talks, and she had this question for

President Trump. How do I get my mother, a disabled person in a wheelchair, down from the second floor to the first floor to the bomb shelter alone in eight minutes?

We also spoke to Olena Korkovska, who ran out of her home in her bathrobe just before the walls caved in. She believes Trump is sacrificing Ukraine for a quick deal. Trump is simply selling Ukraine and giving it away. And Ukraine cannot give up its territories. Even though these are occupied, this is our territory. Ukrainians live here.

Now, most Ukrainians refuse to recognize Ukrainian land occupied by Russia as part of Russia. And Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has refused to accept demands by the Trump administration to do so. Therefore, this attack, Trump blames Zelensky for prolonging the war and he was largely seen as accommodating Russian demands. Has this attack changed that at all?

Well, no, I mean, Trump did chide Putin on social media for the attack, but he also said that Russia is already making a big concession by not occupying all of Ukraine. And statements like this obviously make Ukrainians very nervous, especially coming from the leader of the U.S., which was once Ukraine's strongest single ally. Now, Zelensky says his country wants peace. He has agreed to an unconditional 30-day ceasefire brokered by the U.S. last month, something Russia did not agree to. And Zelensky's team is finalizing a mineral

minerals deal that could make the U.S. a lot of money. So in return, Ukraine wants the U.S. to provide security guarantees so Russia does not invade their country again. But the Trump administration so far is only offering vague promises. I remember being in Kiev with you, Joanna, three years ago, and everyone I spoke to just told me how much they love America. I mean, adoration for America. I'm wondering now if Ukrainians still have that optimism about the U.S. coming to their aid at this point.

I don't believe it.

He's saying, I do not believe in friendship between the United States and Russia. It is impossible. He said, such a friendship defies history and the interests of the West. But when I pressed him about the U.S. cutting off military aid to Ukraine last month, he admitted that this could happen again. And then he said, Ukraine will try to defend itself on its own as long as it can. That's NPR's Joanna Kakissis in Kiev. Joanna, thanks. You're welcome. Thank you.

President Trump is working hard to implement a campaign promise for mass deportations. Officials are moving quickly to arrest, detain, and remove people from the country. But critics say such fast action skirts due process that all people in the U.S. should receive. NPR's immigration policy reporter Ximena Bustillo joins us now to unpack all of this. So, Ximena, has the administration addressed what due process means for their mass deportation goals?

Yes. Earlier this week, Trump said that it wasn't possible for all the people he wants to remove to get a trial. And I hope we get cooperation from the courts because, you know, we have thousands of people that are ready to go out and you can't have a trial without

for all of these people. Vice President J.D. Vance went as far as to call it a, quote, fake legal process on social media. And in another post, Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller has said, quote, the judicial process is for Americans. Immediate deportation is for illegal aliens.

But critics broadly point to the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. That states that no person can, quote, be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law. The administration seems to be banking on Americans believing that non-citizens don't get the same due process as citizens. That's according to Musafar Chishti from the Migration Policy Institute.

That may be politically a good slogan. Unfortunately, Constitution does not make any distinction between citizens and non-citizens for the application of the protections of due process and judicial review.

The ultimate concern, he says, is that if you strip due process for one group, that's a slippery slope for others. All right, so let's get into that because let's assume that some people are good with the argument that due process rights are not owed to everyone. What's the argument then about why that's not just incorrect, that it is a slippery slope for absolutely everyone?

Put simply, because mistakes are made. It's central to the Constitution that if the government makes any accusation, people accused have a chance to respond. Immigration courts were designed specifically as a neutral space where both the government and immigrants could both make their cases. Not every person gets the same rights, though. It's a spectrum of rights, you know, law experts tell me.

It depends on how long you've been in the country and other factors. I spoke with Ashley Tabador. She's a former immigration judge, and she said the government can't just act on the basis of allegations. Government is not immune from making errors and errors that can cost someone's life. So what is at stake is oftentimes a life and death situation. Are there any examples of such errors already?

You know, the case of Kilmar Abrego Garcia brought the question of due process to the forefront. In 2019, an immigration judge had decided that he could not be deported to El Salvador, but last month officials arrested him. Within days and by mistake, he was sent to a prison in El Salvador.

Other lawyers fighting Trump's policies have alleged their clients didn't have deportation orders yet and were due in court. And suddenly they ended up in other countries. And lawyers have told me that they've defended U.S. citizens or others with legal status who got arrested or detained when they shouldn't have.

But Trump administration is making other changes, too. They increased the number of people who can be removed without a court hearing. And they've terminated contracts that provide legal services to over 20,000 minors without legal status. And they fired and accepted resignations from over 100 court staff, including dozens of judges. Critics warn that erodes those due process protections America was founded on.

That's NPR's immigration policy reporter, Ximena Bustillo. Thanks a lot. Thank you. Thank you.

Our final story this morning doesn't often make it into the headlines in the U.S., although a lot of people have argued it should. Sudan's capital city of Khartoum has been systematically destroyed. The once vibrant city at the junction of the White and Blue Nile has been hollowed out after two years of civil war. The conflict between the Sudanese army and the paramilitary rapid support forces, or RSF, started in Khartoum. Then, over a month ago, in a major shift, the city was liberated by the Sudanese army.

Now for the first time, the outside world is getting a glimpse of what has been left behind. NPR is one of the few Western news outlets that's made it into Khartoum. With us now is NPR's Emmanuel Akinwotu, who has just returned from there and joins us now from the de facto capital of Port Sudan. So tell us, Emmanuel, what you saw as you traveled through Khartoum.

Good morning. It's utterly devastating and surreal. Before Khartoum became the centre of the war, this was a really vibrant, proud, historic city, over six million people. But then two years of war between these two former allies and then occupation by the rapid support forces until just the last month really has left the city emptied, almost eerie. Sways of it are torched, damaged, destroyed by artillery and gunfire.

And this is from everyday areas to the presidential palace to hospitals, schools, museums. Even the airport has been burnt to a crisp. Before the RSF were forced out of Khartoum, they stripped the city almost like locusts, looting it to a degree that's honestly just really hard to grasp.

That's from the National Museum where they took tens of thousands of ancient artifacts and even down to electric wires ripped from the walls in almost every building that they occupied. And they stripped them for copper. The city is without power. There's a shortage of water, virtually no state services, although they're gradually returning. So if the city is missing power, shortage of water, I mean, basic services, I mean, can people return? Yes.

Well, there are tractors at the moment clearing debris, teams of sweepers cleaning the streets, and they're still finding unexploded bombs and human remains. But you're right, it's mostly uninhabitable. There's a trickle of people returning, but mainly to find out or confront what's happened to their property and their belongings.

We went to a bakery and spoke to the owner, Yousuf Aldi. He said the RSF looted his home above the shop and they lived there. And for a period, they even kept the bakery open and ran it like it was their own business. Emmanuel, also wondering about what you may have witnessed around the humanitarian crisis. I mean, the United Nations says Sudan is experiencing the worst famine anywhere in the world in decades.

Yes, it's unprecedented. We visited the Al-Buluk Hospital, which is the main and largest paediatric health facility in the Khartoum State region. The wards were packed with malnourished children. The hospital has expanded again and again through the war, but it's still overwhelmed. I spoke to the lead doctor, Ahmed Kholoji. At the beginning of January when, 2024, we served like 4,000 patients per month. Now it's 30,000 to 36,000 per month.

So the fighting has stopped in Khartoum but the toll of the war is really just coming to the surface and of course the fighting continues. Tell us about where the fighting has shifted.

Well, it's shifted to the outskirts of the capital region and has become really intense towards the western region of Darfur, which is overwhelmingly controlled by the RSF. It's where there was a genocide 20 years ago by Arab militias that evolved into the RSF against African ethnic groups. And it's happening again now, according to the UN, US and others. That's NPR's Emmanuel Akinwotu in Sudan. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you.

Mourners from around the world are lining up to see Pope Francis lying in state at St. Peter's Basilica. The Vatican said more than 90,000 people had paid their respects by yesterday evening, waiting in long lines for hours. Among them was Kelly Gaffigan from Virginia. Here's how she said she'll remember Francis.

He really had the best interest of the people as a whole, Catholic and everyone, and the planet. And even though that rubbed people the wrong way, I think he was always doing what was best for us and our world. When the viewing ends tonight, the coffin will be sealed for the funeral mass Saturday morning.

That will be a traditional Catholic requiem mass for the dead, with prayers mostly in Latin, but also in Chinese, Polish, Portuguese, and Arabic. Then, nine days of official mourning begins, leading up to the papal conclave. Once the conclave gets underway, voting cardinals are sequestered in a Sistine Chapel and a nearby house until a new pope is selected.

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And that's Up First for Friday, April 25th. I'm E. Martinez. And I'm Michelle Martin. And a reminder, Up First airs on weekends, too. Ayesha Roscoe and Scott Simon will have the news. Look for it wherever you get your podcasts. Today's episode of Up First was edited by Tara Neal, Anna Yukoninoff, Rylan Barton, Jan Johnson, and Jenea Williams. It was produced by Ziad Butch, Nia Dumas, and Christopher Thomas. We get engineering support from Arthur Laurent, and our technical director is Carly Strange. Our executive producer is Jay Shaler. Have a great weekend, everyone.

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