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Oh, my God. So notwithstanding all that, like the trade, we're going to get to all of it. But we have to start with what just happened over the past 62 minutes on the view. And it's not even one of my wacky view clips for you where we just make fun of Sonny or Joy. I mean, we love those. But this is like legit Joe Biden.

who's on, well, you guys will tell me what he's doing here. And I'll tell you what Mark Halperin says. He's on some sort of a rehabilitation tour. Okay. Anyway, he goes onto The View and it wasn't rehabilitative at all here. Okay. Let's start with, I guess, 37. Is that the one we love the best, Steve? You pick 35, 35. Why do you think the vice president lost? And were you surprised? Yeah.

I wasn't surprised, not because I didn't think the vice president was the most qualified person to be president, and she is. She's qualified to be president of the United States of America. But I was surprised, I wasn't surprised because they went the route of, the sexist route, the whole route. I mean, this is a woman, she's this, she's that. Really, I've never seen quite as successful and a consistent campaign

undercutting the notion that a woman couldn't lead the country and a woman of mixed race. Yeah. Barely spit it out. And he threw that one out there too. My goodness. He and Obama are two peas in a pod on this. Sexism and racism, if you didn't vote for her. That's obviously what she thinks too. But the nerve of this guy of all people to come out and say that's why she lost is

Yeah, I mean, here's the deal, Megan. You know they're putting him out there to provide proof of life because a lot of people are wondering. They hadn't seen him in a while. But at some point in every person's life, you go from rehab to pediatrician.

to palliative care. He is definitely in the palliative care category right now. It's also sort of funny to me, like they're so effusive in their praise of Kamala Harris. Like at some point, it sort of undercuts whether she was actually qualified. Do you have to say it every time you mention her? You know, it's true. The other thing is like,

It's obvious the reason why she lost. It was all the damaging video and audio of her from when she ran for president back in 2020. It was being tethered to his terrible administration. So like, of course, it's easy for him to be like, well, it was misogyny and racism. That's that's why she went down, because then he doesn't have to admit the thing that he was a terrible president. It was my border.

Yeah. What the hell was he talking about? By the way, he was like, I've never seen such an effective, like misogynistic character. That's actually a first take. I mean, I know that Democrats say, well, it's because the country is misogynistic and racist and all those things. But like he's pointing the finger basically at the Trump campaign saying that they had like this. Well, I mean, if you go back to like the ad slate of the messaging, the

matrix that the Trump administration put together in the course of that campaign. It was immigration, it was crime, it was the horrible economy. I mean, none of these things are gender specific. All of these things are his horrible decision making that she was latched to the belt on at The View when she said, I can't think of anything I would do differently. They asked him about that. They asked him about that moment. Watch this, South 36. When the vice president was here,

I asked her if she would have done something differently than your administration over the past four years. And because of all the successes that your administration had, I think her response was, there is not a thing that comes to mind. Now, that answer was weaponized against her. And there has been some reporting that you encouraged her for there to be no daylight between the two of you. First, is that true?

And do you think in retrospect that she should have tried to differentiate all the wins that your administration had? Well, look, first of all, I did not advise her to say that, number one. Like I said, I was vice president. I understand the role, number one. Number two, I think it was, I think she was talking about she wouldn't have changed the successes we've had.

Not opposed to that we will change anything at all. She has to be your own person. And she was. She was. And so I think that that was used in a way that is contrary to what she meant by when she said that. Oh, my gosh. And I think that, you know, she was part of every success we had. We'd argue like hell, by the way.

No, no, no. That's good. That's good. We sit and say, well, what about this version? Joe, I don't like that. Anyway, we worked it out. Oh, my Lord. Did that clear it up for you? I mean... Do you have clarity on it now?

That gerbil is having a hard time spinning the wheel. It is about as torturous as I've ever seen. It was torturous. And on Sonny's part too there, like she is trying to hand this off

to Biden and hopefully he can take it from there. Right? Like, okay, she wants to straight face tell us that what the question was like, what sort of wins would you have changed? Like that's an actual question you would ask a person. It doesn't make any logical sense. That's exactly right. Thank you. It was so insane the way that she's like beyond effusive of being like, so here's the thing.

Because of your record of tremendous successes, dear leader. Like what? Are you asking him a question? Joe Biden, tell us your greatest weakness. You know what's so amazing? What's so amazing about it, you guys, is that so here she's like –

I am not going to make the same mistake twice. You know, I already fucked up Kamala Harris's run for the office and I am not going to do anything to undermine this guy. So I'm just going to give him the answer in the question. Like, you know, and so she declined to distinguish any of her policies from all the ones that you did so successfully.

What's your reaction to that? Right. So she's trying to give him the softball like that. And then he has no idea what she has said. Like in his defense, it was kind of incomprehensible. But this is not the way to set Joe Biden up for success because he couldn't spin it quite the way she could. And by the way, for the listening audience, she read the entire question. These women are dopes. They can't come up with their own thoughtful question.

They can't ad-lib something. She's just reading what some producer, and I know this personally, I've been on The View many times, they give you the questions in advance as the guest. Really?

I guarantee you they gave those questions to Joe Biden, too. In any event, what a joke, right? Like, so none of it made sense. The premise of the question was false. Like she was giving Kamala the chance to differentiate herself from all the successful policies that Joe Biden had. And then his answer, which is,

I don't think people used her answer in a way that represented what she really meant, which was, I think what you just said, something about how successful I was. It's exactly right. And there was there was one moment where I think something registered for Biden. If you caught at the very end of her question and she said, I asked this question in the Republicans weaponized it against. Yeah, he's like, oh, that was like.

I didn't tell her to say that. You could see his face. It was, it's almost like, you know, if you have a generator, your house and the power goes off and like everything's dark for a second, then you hear the generator kick on. That's like what it looked like. His eyes all of a sudden opened and he was like, I didn't do that. He got the epinephrine shot. Yeah, no, you're, you're exactly right. That was an amazing, they weaponized it. You mean they reacted to the thing she said and said, gee,

That's going to hurt her. She should differentiate herself because he is very unpopular. Weaponizers.

I think what's really interesting to me is seeing the way that, so this is an opportunity to talk to Joe Biden, which would be a great get because you could actually ask serious questions because I mean the American people want to know real stuff. Yeah. And their choice is to be like, so because of all your successes, right? And then that like they're thinking is that, oh, this must've been just sexism and racism at it again.

This is why they're stuck where they are as a party. They can't escape the stupid set of ideas that they ran on because this wasn't a close election. They got smoked in every swing state. Trump won the popular vote. This is the worst loss the Democrats have had in a generation, if not beyond that,

But they're not turning the page on that. Like when you were talking about how well they're trying to say it was a campaign of misogyny. The only ad discussing gender. I remember the Trump campaign ran was the effective one that said that Kamala's for they them. Trump is for you. Yeah. That was Trump standing up for women. Right. Right. Right. I got to interrupt you. We got white smoke. Oh, is it pizza? It's a ball. We.

Yes, please. We got white smoke coming out of the Sistine Chapel chimney signaling a new pope has been elected to lead the Catholic Church. Here on Sirius XM, we have firsthand access to data because we are in tight with the Catholics. We know Cardinal Dolan. We know a lot of people around him. I'm going to ask my team to go check out our sources and find out

whether we have infiltrated the Sistine Chapel and we can give you an advance word. Oh, it's gotta be the Italian guy. People cry for pizza ball. They cry for it. Okay. It's exciting. Like, let's see. To me, it's the basic thing I'm looking for as a Catholic is,

Are we going to double down on left-wing progressivism in the Pope like we had with Francis? Or are we going to go more traditional with an actual conservative Pope who's going to uphold Catherine doctrine in the way that we're used to, maybe bring back the Latin mass, get right with the messaging when it comes to a wall and immigration, things like that. Let's find out. We're going to find out very soon. It's exciting. Maybe we'll get you a picture of the white smoke momentarily, but let's go back to

white, white man, old white man, Joe Biden. Um, here he is. Let's see if he's doing any better on his rambling. Okay. Let's check in and stop 37.

I knew it wasn't going to happen right away. The projects. The projects. The benefits. How do you lead the world without having the best infrastructure? How do you lead the world without having the best health care in the world? How do you lead the world without having the best education? How do you lead the world when you don't have that done? And we're all set up to do it. And last thing, I thought what he would do.

I thought he'd come along and be smart. I shouldn't say that. I thought he'd come along and say he did it. Look, when you have the lovely lady from North Carolina...

who talked about me with such affection, saying Joe Biden did more than anybody did and so on as a criticism. Remember? I ran as an ad. That was good. My point is that I thought he'd say, no, I brought you this. I brought you this. I brought you that. And we actually, this is a guy who left with the largest deficit any president has had in him.

When he was last time president. Cut to his choice, what's it all about. Cut all these programs. Okay. All right. To quote the great Archie Bunker, Hey!

I mean, his hangers on are the greediest people. They are so greedy. I mean, like, have you not wondered enough? Let the man stay home. Like, don't put him out there. He can't handle it. It's how much money do these greedy people need? I mean, they need to line the pockets of the assistant. Let him out. So Ashbrook touched on it. Smug. You just nailed it.

Here's what Halperin said earlier this morning on his YouTube show, Two-Way. Watch. Biden's doing this to fight back or Biden's doing this for his reputation. I talked to someone very familiar with the Bidens, and I think they've pointed out something that I'm going to say now that to me is the explanation, or at least part of the explanation, which is Biden Inc. has collapsed. All those Biden grandkids had a lavish lifestyle, which they very much liked.

Hunter made hundreds of thousands of dollars, millions of dollars.

Joe, as a former president, is not in a position to get the same kind of paid speeches, corporate boards, book deal. Biden, Inc. needs a source of revenue. And Hunter does, even though he was pardoned and he's not going to prison, Hunter does not have great earning capacity. The trough is empty. The spigot has shut down. They need a way to get back in the game to make big money, to have the grandchildren fed and clothed and flown first class, etc.,

Oh, how do you like that one, guys? Mark is very, very smart, but I disagree with him in one key area. He said Hunter doesn't have great earning capacity. The guy is a painter. He's a celebrated artist. And these things sell for hundreds of thousands of dollars, millions of dollars all across New York. I'm sure that'll continue.

Certainly that would continue. You know, I mean, look, he totally nailed it. This has been true of the Bidens forever. As we've come to find out during the course of his administration, things that we knew when we were in the Senate years and years ago is Biden Inc. is a very real thing. And they're right. He

But it's an interesting strategy, right? If they're using him, throwing him back out there to try to reignite interest in the Bidens and restart the power of Biden Inc. to generate cash, you gotta say something that is like a little bit interesting, right? If he takes that question about Kamala and he's like, yeah, she wasn't the best candidate.

Immediately. Lady North Carolina. Yeah. The other the other the other dynamic that is just over the horizon. There are a bunch of books that are tell all's about how bad Joe Biden was over the last year. And those are going to be coming out over the next six months. And I think that we're trying to get ahead of some of that. What else is about to come out? You guys read it in Politico.

They it looks like the Trump administration is going to release the audio of the her report. He was deemed a well-meaning elderly man with a poor memory. Couldn't remember when his son Bo died, when he was vice president. That's not going to go well. And they could be trying to get ahead of that as well. Here's a little bit more.

speaking of those around him who covered up his infirmity, or at least that's where my mind went. Dr. Jill was there too, and as usual, came to the rescue. Watch SOT 38. What is your response to these allegations, and are these sources wrong? They are wrong. There's nothing to sustain that, number one. Number two, you know- This is about the books. Think of what we're left with. We're left with a circumstance where

We had an insurrection when I started. The nonsense of civil war. We had a circumstance where we were in a position that we, well, the pandemic, because of the incompetence of the last outfit, ended up over a million people dying. A million people dying. We're also in a situation where we found ourselves...

unable to deal with a lot of just basic issues, which I won't go into in the interest of time. And so we went to work, and we got it done. And, you know, one of the things that, well, I haven't talked for a long time. Well, and Alyssa, you know, one of the things I think is that the people who wrote those books were not in the White House with us. And they didn't see how hard Joe worked every single day.

I mean, he'd get up, he'd put in a full day, and then at night, I'd be in bed reading my book and he was still on the phone reading his briefings, working with staff. I mean, it was nonstop. The White House, being president is not like a job, it's a lifestyle. It's a life that you live. You live it 24 hours a day.

That phone can ring at 11 o'clock at night or two in the morning. It's constant. You never leave it. And Joe worked really hard. I think he was a great president. She's filibustering.

And he turned off. Yep. The generators down. Give me Joe Biden anytime. Okay. Wait, can I just say a couple of things about this? First of all, she's, she, she's reminding me of Jordan, Bill Belichick's girlfriend. Those two are the same person in the same relationship in different ways. Second of all, she says, none of these people writing the books work for us.

Well, one of the first to have his book hit interviewed Ron Klain, who was Joe Biden's chief of staff for almost all of his presidency.

And he went on the record saying that Biden thought he was president of NATO. Weren't we together when that broke? Didn't we talk about this? He thought he was president of NATO and didn't realize he was president of the United States. That is where was that follow up, ladies of The View? I must have missed it.

There's there's something just totally absurd about all of this. Right. You got Jill Biden stepping in there and saying late night briefings, phone calls while I'm in bed and I'm reading my book and Joe's still working. Like, let me assure you, the youthful vigor of the man who couldn't complete answering this question. You know, it doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make any sense. The guy the guy's on this. He's sitting next to you falling asleep. Yeah.

I think it goes back to the same thing we said earlier about with Kamala Harris. They kept replying or kept repeating the line of she's competent. She's competent. She's so qualified. She's so qualified. If you're sitting next to a skeleton nodding off and you're saying, listen, he works so hard. He puts in these long hours. If you have to keep telling people, oh, he's, he's fine. He keeps working these long, hard hours.

No one believes it. And every time you say it, they believe it less and less. I mean, none of the women on The View that are sitting there are just kind of like glancing over at him while she's giving that stem winder. And they're like, you know, he kind of looks like... His jaw's like hanging on the floor. He looks like the song's boss. They can't do a live follow-up. You know, they can't, it's not, if you just stay steeped in the news, you could easily say, well, his chief of staff went on the record and said the following. Maybe their producers behind the scenes need to get smarter.

And just write in the little follow up. They're likely to say he worked very hard or that none of his staff members wrote these books. Here is your follow up, you nimrods. But they either didn't put that down or they didn't know how to execute on it. It's incredibly frustrating. And for Biden's weekend at Bernie's crew who like handle him.

Have him stop doing that crutch of being like, well, I'm not going to get into it. Everyone's already figured out that's just a crutch because he's already lost his mind. That's dementia. That's dementia. He's got to find another crutch. Yeah.

That, in my opinion, that's a clear sign of dementia. I've seen people, I know, struggling with it, use that as like filler. They've lost their train of thought. They don't know what to say next. And so they just, well, I'm not going to get it. Well, you know, well, nevermind. It's better I don't say it. And it's like, and Biden was doing that at least for the last year of his presidency. We all saw it many times. Here's one more. There was an act that they did bring up the accusations of hiding his cognitive decline. Here's the good doctor responding.

Responding. Oh, gosh. Naturally, you are your husband's fiercest advocate. She's reading a close advisor. You created around him and kind of limited his interactions with the media and others.

Do you think you could have been too close to the situation to objectively gauge whether he could handle a full four more years? I was with Joe day and night. I saw him more than any other person. I woke up with him. I went to bed at night with him.

So I saw him all throughout the day and I did not sit right around him. I mean, you saw him in the office. You saw him making speeches. He wasn't hiding somewhere. I didn't have him, you know, sequestered in some place. I mean, that's ridiculous.

Was that hurtful to you when they were describing you as Lady Macbeth? Yes, it was very hurtful. It was very hurtful, especially from some of our so-called friends. Yeah. Oh.

That's an Obama blast. That is, that is 100%. Yeah. Yeah. You think that was at the Obama's? I was like, is it Obama's? Is it Pelosi? At Michelle Obama. 100%. That's where that was headed. I just find a whole thing the strangest deal I've ever seen in my entire life. You've got a former president of the United States who left office, like, I don't know, 120 days ago or so. I mean, he was the head of the most powerful country in the world, the leader of the free world. He's on stage

And you're basically asking his care provider how the patient operates, you know, and he's sitting there like De Niro from awakening. It's like, I have absolutely no clue. Like, how can you conceptualize? Like, I know that the people on the view are never in any danger of doing anything smart. I got it. But like, at some point you think you'd build in a scenario of what happens if he just turns off unconsciously.

on stage and maybe this is it. It's like, well, you got to get Dr. Jill on there too. Nobody wants to know her opinion about anything, by the way, but you got to get her in there to fill in case the guy, the light switch turns on. It's amazing. Yeah. I just want to echo Megan's sentiment that like these women are extremely dumb. Yeah.

Because this should be the easiest interview in the history of interviews that they do. We all live this. We saw his presidency. We saw the campaign. We saw him drop out. The fact that they have to read from a script about these questions, like they aren't obvious questions that anybody who's on television should be able to say without a script. It's crazy. Well,

When she talks about my so-called friends, like, don't you think a follow-up like, yeah, let's be specific here. Nancy Pelosi, Barack and Michelle, like who specifically are you thinking about? Let's go through it. Who do you feel betrayed by name names? Pelosi did. Pelosi went out there on a book tour. She spoke about this a lot. Why won't like Michelle Obama? They don't like her. So why wouldn't they? And the view doesn't want to hear it. That's the reason.

No, no. They're just a full lib restoration project. I wish we could get someone to on the Democrat side to write the really juicy tell all that everyone, a lot of people in DC already know the story about the animosity and the hatred between the Obamas and the Bidens.

between how Michelle Obama is like very good friends with Hunter Biden's ex and they helped knife each other up and how Joe Biden has always felt slighted by Barack for telling him number one, not to run, but also Barack Obama clipped Biden's pride by loaning him money because the Bidens were broke. Like this is a huge story.

If the American people saw. So bad that during the Democratic National Convention on Obama night, Biden and Jill went to Milwaukee outside of Chicago because they couldn't be in the same building on the same evening. I mean, that's the story that's worth telling. And you got these four dumbasses that are sitting up there like, tell us about all your successes again. What makes me so upset about it is it's such a disservice to their audience, right? Like it's such a disservice to these Democrats who like,

they're owed the truth, right? They're owed the truth of this because they got embarrassed in November. And if they're ever going to figure out what they're doing as a party, like you actually have to ask the tough questions. And if they're not going to do that, hey, great for us. We love it. And it's great content. But what a disservice. Like if you want to know why your ratings are in the toilet, it's because of this. I mean, think about the Republican Party and the right after Romney lost.

It turned into a bloodbath of knives and accusations of trying to figure out what happened. And then you got president Trump out of it. Yeah, right. And they're, they're not doing that at all. They're like, who, by the way, the interesting thing about Trump, of course,

He spun the wisdom after Romney, which was we need comprehensive immigration reform. We need a path to citizenship for the illegals. And Trump came out in 15 saying, F all of that. We're not doing any of that. And, you know, that was the beginning of Trump not being beholden to any party dogma, just saying, I see it very differently and I will say it differently and I'm doing it differently.

Okay. Speaking of doing things differently, Casey Means is the new Surgeon General nominee who this audience knows because she's been on the program many times. He pulled Dr. Janet Neshawat

who was the sister-in-law of Mike Walls. And my information is that's why she was chosen. I was told that by somebody who is in a position to know. And Trump liked her because he saw her on Fox News. She's beautiful and she goes on Fox. And obviously that gives you a leg up with the president. But she didn't seem like the right person for the job. First of all, she went to a Caribbean medical school. And I'm sorry, but

We all know what that means. Okay. She couldn't get into one state side. You don't go to the Caribbean for medical school. If you can get into any med school in the continental 50 United States, that's just how it is. I used to be married to a doctor. Trust me. I know she ran city MD, which is like, you know, that like urgent care clinic change at the chain. It's like chain medicine. Okay. So that's not ideal, but fine. Well, let's not get obsessed with credentials. That's what the left does.

Her real problem was she was pro the masking of children and pushing vaccines for kids under five long past when people like Dr. Marty McCary of Johns Hopkins were writing full op eds in The Wall Street Journal opposing these things.

Doctors like Vinay Prasad, who just got tapped to join the administration, were jumping up and down about the myocarditis that we were seeing in young men. And she was still advocating that it be pushed. So that's why this woman should not have been the Surgeon General pick and why I personally have nothing against her, but I'm glad she's gone. She's gonna work for Bobby Kennedy in some way, HHS, whatever. Okay, so

So now he taps Casey means, which I was like, that's amazing. I'm thrilled. I love Casey means she's at the heart of Maha. She's like one of the creators of Maha. She's one of these functional medicine got gals, uh,

Kind of like the Dr. Mark Hyman mold he was on recently, if the audience remembers him, who really thinks we've been too focused on these band-aids we put as temporary fixes on chronic illnesses as opposed to, yes, curing them, but stopping them as opposed to stopping them in the first place.

There's this whole group of functional medicine doctors that's much more interested in looking at how chronic disease is everywhere and trying to change that about our society so we don't have to focus on cures and treatments, but just wellness efforts like food.

Do you, does this patient have some sort of Lyme disease that's gone untreated? Is this person living in a mold infested home? Does this person have some sort of autoimmune condition that we need to take a look at? Are they swimming in a toxic stew that we could lower by removing some of the preservative laden food or ultra processed food or seed oils that are ubiquitous in their environments?

How can we remind people not to microwave plastic and then eat out of it? Things like that. But like, there are a lot of them.

That can increase your wellness load. And people like Dr. Casey Means are very focused on that, looking at how we grow the soil that we grow our agriculture in and making sure that these chemicals aren't all over our fruits and vegetables that we give to our kids that we think is, quote, healthy, right? That we're not eating fish that's laden with mercury. I could keep going. Like drinking water contaminated with fluoride and chlorine. That's Casey Means'

reason to live right now. I was going to do French, but I can't. And so she tells this story very movingly about how she was, I think she, she might've been number one, or she was definitely at the top of her Stanford undergrad class at the very top Stanford undergrad, which is not easy, not easy to get into Stanford, nevermind finish at the top. Then she goes to Stanford medical school, which is also not easy and finishes at the top there.

Then she gets a prestigious ear, nose and throat surgical residency at the University of Oregon. And so she goes up there and is crushing it in her residency. She is within one year of finishing the residency and doing very well. And she says, I cannot do this one minute longer. There was a woman who came in. Casey had to operate on her. She had been in for repeated operations for the same problem, if memory serves. And Casey said to herself,

what are we doing we're not helping we're just churning and burning the same

quote, fixes on these patients and then spitting them back in out into a process where they will not be educated, helped nothing around them will change. And she found it too disheartening to continue. And she went in to her attending physician and said, I'm leaving, I'm leaving the program. And he begged her not to, this is in her book and she's given story interviews about it, begged her not to. And she said, I can't do this. So she left and she started

her own practice and to get more into functional medicine and started thinking about the things that would ultimately wind up in the book. Good energy would be at the center of the Maha movement. Her brother, Callie was going through his own evolution and realizations, having worked for Coca-Cola and came out hard as almost like a whistleblower against what companies like that are doing to us with the sugar and the food supply and the snap program and so on. And they've become very important and essential people.

Americans, especially when it comes to Maha. Great. So why is she getting mercilessly attacked right now by some within the Maha movement and by Laura Loomer, who I don't know if she's in, if she considers herself Maha. And I really don't dismiss Laura Loomer because she's

People call her a conspiracy theorist. She's been right about a lot. Okay. So people need to know that because her, her critics just dismiss her as like some conspiracy theorist. She's been right about a lot. And I've watched it myself on this program. Cause I came to her very open-minded. Is she conspiracy theorist? We were all supposedly conspiracy theorists. So what's the story? She's really taking aim at Casey.

And I have to say on this one, I really disagree. I disagree strongly because I'm just going to tell you some of the allegations. Okay. Um, she said, hold on, give me a little piece of paper because I wrote, write this stuff down. Okay. She said that Casey means her dad wrote a pro trans children's book back in 2020. Well, he did write a book that was about like a weird, an odd duckling or goose. And, um,

how it wound up, it basically wound up being gay. And in the opening to the book, he does say that this is, um, it's about Felix and unique bird. And he says, um, it's a story for children and adults alike, uh, and says it's, it's for, I'm trying to find the exact quote, but it's about, Oh, coming of age is challenging for most children, but it can be especially tough for those grappling with their gender and sexual identities, gender. So he mentions it and it's,

But I've looked at the book, at least what I can find of it. I have like four pages and it's really about a gay goose. Okay. It's like, it's not really about the trans issue, even though they mentioned gender. He doesn't love a gay goose. As a gay goose. Okay. Whatever. By the way, it's her father. It's not her. Like, I don't. Okay. So like if she had written this, maybe it would lead to a follow-up question at the hearings. Like, what, what do you think about

you know, children grappling with their gender identities. That's really the question, isn't it? What does Casey means think about children wrestling with their gender identities? And I can tell you something guys, because I know Casey means I know her from the many times I've had her on this program. And I've talked to her off this program. She is where I am.

On this, she is not pro the transing of children at all. Her brother, Callie, right now is out there calling it demonic. They're very close. She hasn't spoken to it as far as I know publicly because no one's asked her. Everybody's much more focused on like functional health.

But she is not going to be in any way, shape or form supportive of puberty blockers for minors, cross-sex hormones for minors or surgeries for minors. And if somehow I am proven wrong and I won't be, I will personally lobby the president to fire her. I will personally lobby the president, which I'm not going to have to because I've spoken to her. I know

This is firsthand reporting how she feels about it. Okay. So that's that. That's number one. Then she points out, Loomer does, that she never completed her residency. That is true. I just gave you the context.

She points out she does not even have an active medical license in Oregon. That's true because she decided to stop practicing medicine a couple of years into her private practice and to do, she has this company now that offers like all day glucose monitoring and explains to people how to read their blood levels when they get their lab tests, test back and so on. It just sort of helps more millions as opposed to like individuals. And I can speak to this as a lawyer.

I passed the bar in New York, in Illinois and in Massachusetts. OK, so I was admitted in all those states. I practiced at length in New York state, in Chicago, in Washington, D.C., for that matter. And I wound up going dormant on all of my law licenses many years into joining journalism full time because, A, it costs money and B,

It's a lot of continuing legal education. And in her case, medical education, a lot. It's demanding. There's a lot of bar fees. There are pains in the ass to maintain. And if you're really not going to be practicing, it's pointless to do it. She's still a doctor, but she just chose not to stay licensed so that she could actually practice medicine right now. She could get that license back like that.

Right. So it's like and not for nothing, but all the continuing medical education, half of it is pushed by big pharma, more than half, probably. So it's like what we're upset. She wouldn't go right back into the system that is corrupting our doctors that we're complaining about. That actually happens to be her life mission now to combat. It makes no sense. So there's all that. I think that's basically it. I've I've I've hit the biggest things. Laura's upset, too, that she's a little like.

out there and some of her spiritual practices. Um, she pulled up her newsletter, Casey means is where she said, she talked about how, um, these are the things I did to try to tap into the mystical side of evolving my consciousness and,

and being ready for partnership, like looking for a man, which she did find and she got married. Here are a few. She said, "I don't necessarily recommend these, but these were part of my journey. I set up a small meditation shrine in my house. I prayed to photos of my ancestors asking for support on my journey.

I went to weekly group meditations and spiritual lectures in order to tune in with the spirit. I work with a spiritual medium who helped me try to connect with my spirit guides for support and guidance. My therapist who helped me get out of my first marriage wanted me to be doing all this stuff. Like didn't speak to me personally, but like this is actually like an established lane for people who are struggling, especially in relationships.

I hiked alone and talked literally out loud to the trees, letting them know I was ready for partnership. I pursued visualization techniques that helped me see my visions for the future. I did plant medicine experiences with trusted guides and wrote extensively about my experience and insights. And she's admitted, and she said in her book, she did psychedelics.

which does have a way of making people like feel more connected with mother earth and the universe, whatever. All that's part of her journey. She's been very open about it, but she is. So she's got a little Eastern medicine in there, but she's very Western medicine too, and sees all of its problems, all of its problems. And then he got the hardcore anti-vaxxers who want her to come out and condemn the fact that anyone is still taking the COVID vaccine.

I have news for those people. She would be totally unconfirmable, totally unconfirmable. He cannot choose somebody who feels that way as controversial as most of us find the vaccine at this point. So that's my take on her. I think she is the antidote.

to most of the problems we all see right now in the medical field, in the medical industrial complex. She and her brother, Callie, are warriors for revolution within our healthcare system. And I am 110% behind both of them, including Casey Means for Surgeon General.

And like what a what a brave thing to do to like study your whole life to get into the medical field. And we all know how hard that is to do, how much it costs, how much time like you give your entire life to this, all those years of schooling and whatnot. And then find yourself at the end of this process in the medical field where you're putting band-aids over bullet holes, you know, in somebody's health problems that are chronic, like the problems people show up at the hospital with.

Very rarely did they just happen like that. Yeah. You know, it took 10 years. So, so, so to witness that on a daily basis and then be like, I'm going to change my whole life and be an advocate for a broader look at medicine. That's a brave thing to do. Yeah. You know, to step away from the thing that you put your life into, to look at health more holistically. Do I love the woo woo stuff about talking to trees? No, but also like,

Welcome to the big tent of MAGA politics. Yeah, that's what it is. Like, this is what it is. And that's how Donald Trump became president of the United States. You know, I mean, like, Joe Rogan takes ayahuasca. I don't take ayahuasca. I like Joe Rogan. You know what I mean? Like, there's nothing wrong. Like, if you're spiritual, I know a lot of people are very spiritual. And

They do things like this. The whole push is like to get more in touch with nature, you know, literally to walk barefoot. That whole touch grass thing is actual. It's real. Like it's called grounding. It's supposed to, according to some,

counteract like the nonstop EMFs and radio frequencies that are everywhere. I don't know whether any of that's true, but I have seen support for it from doctors I trust who are more Western medicine based. In any event, just being, even if you don't believe it counteracts, you know, EMFs,

it's of course good for you to go outside to smell the air, to see the sunlight, to take in some vitamin D. Like that's kind of what she said. She writes in her book about it when her mom died of pancreatic cancer. And she had spent the last weeks and months with her, how deeply traumatic it was and how angry it made her at the healthcare system. This was a couple of years after she left the residency because the mother had all the signs that people listening to this may be experiencing right now or the family member where it was like,

Oh, your blood pressure is a little high. Why don't you go on, you know, Cristor or some other statin? Okay, no problem. Oh, you know, you're a little overweight. Today, they say go on a Zempik, right, which wasn't around when she was here. Oh, you've got prediabetes, but it's nothing to worry about. You know, we can manage it with these medicines.

And then of course it turns into full diabetes. And now you're actually really in trouble and in danger. And ultimately her mom, who'd been on this downward path on her health, and it's not that the doctors didn't care about her, it's that the whole system is set up to do this, to just medicalize, you know, drug, respond with like, what's the word? Just with pharmacy, just respond with pharmacy options. Ultimately she gets pancreatic cancer.

in her, I think, young 70s. And Casey writes about how when they buried her, they chose to bury her not in a casket. Like this is a thing you can do at certain cemeteries where like that's what her mom wanted to be like given, to have your body actually given back to the earth, like true ashes to ashes, dust to dust. And how it's like,

you know, like that, that your remains could actually lead to the growth of something beautiful on this earth at some point. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. That's, I applaud having somebody in a position to be a spokesperson that she's not setting, you know, health policy. That's Bobby Kennedy. That's going to be Jade Bhattacharya. It's really the spokesperson for public health.

believing in that kind of thing and understanding medicine doesn't have to be totally limited to what comes out of a needle.

Yeah. Yeah. I think there's a lot to be said about that. I had family who was prescribed. I mean, you name it. They like you said, the whole story is just so familiar. It's like, OK, you have prediabetes. Give them this. Give them this. Give them this. And then now you're dealing with all the side effects that, you know, you have an elderly individual who's now on a battery of these medications. It's like, is this truly the best medicine?

that you're affording these people? And how did this become absolute? You just accepted that when you walk into a doctor's office, the notepad's going to be from one pharma company. They're going to have a little clipboard from another pharma company. The pen's going to be from another pharma company. It's like, did I walk in to get health treatment? Or is this like a NASCAR ad where everyone's got their sticker who's sponsoring them all over the place? This is how we take care of people. And, you know, when you bring up Bobby Kennedy, there was a YouTube video that he put up. I mean,

Me and my wife saw it about a year ago where he was talking about things like the food colorings that is in so much of our food in America, which is banned in Europe and every Western country, every civilized country on earth has banned all these substances that are being thrown in, in foods that, in drinks that we get that are put on like snap benefits so that now you're poisoning entire group of people. You're making kids dependent because poor people, you know, getting them addicted to these products.

And then now you're wondering why is it that we pay more for healthcare and end up with worse outcomes? We really want to continue this of the same people calling the shots, then getting, you know, once they're done with their job as a surgeon general, now they're going to their consultancy with a pharma company. It's like,

At some point, we have to stop and think that this system that we've put in place isn't working for us, making things worse and worse. But we should like we should be able to have both. Right. Like we should be able to have like life changing drugs that save people's lives. Like think about like, you know, somebody has a stroke, you know, and they go to the hospital and they give them a clot buster that clears out the stroke and literally save somebody's life.

But like not every medical intervention needs to be a crisis intervention at that last moment. Right. Like it's broadening the aperture of what health is in this country and the way we can take care of ourselves to avoid those things. This is sort of the problem with politics, particularly in a modern age where everybody's got a hot take about everything. Like, I just don't think this is this difficult.

The pick that you just had is absolutely right. When you have life-saving medication that happens to come from a pharma operation, okay, that's a good thing. That's a good thing. Should they control the entire industry health to nuts? No. But you're a human. You have rational, logical processes that go into any of that. She sounds like a pretty thoughtful lady. So she likes to go outside and wander through the woods. Well, I like to have 15 beers and go to the golf course. Yeah.

Like this is normal life stuff. To each his own. Yeah. But like, you know, in terms of whether she is exactly aligned, I mean, her father writing a book. Oh, I'll wait till she finds it. A family of RFK. Really going to hate that. That's a hell of a lot worse than a gay goose. I'll tell you that much. You know? And here's the other thing. Like,

Okay, so she doesn't have the medical license. It's not like it got pulled from her, et cetera. This is not an issue. She's not going to be practicing medicine as Surgeon General. The whole point is, are you qualified to talk about the public health system? And she's beyond qualified. And not for nothing, but the last Surgeon General...

Vivek Murthy under Obama and then resurrected again under Joe Biden had perfect credentials. He was double Harvard. He had worked for all the right public service groups trying to help all these kids around the world with AIDS and HIV and all the things that the left would completely praise.

And what did he do as Surgeon General? He shoved those vaccines down the throats of the American people and their children. He, just like the first woman Trump nominated, but even worse, pushed masking at every turn, including on children. He downplayed the risk of myocarditis to teenagers being forced to take their seventh booster.

I don't care about his perfect credentials. I would take Casey means over that guy every day of the week. And there's nothing wrong with her. I mean, honestly, like everything that's been raised about her gives me zero pause.

Zero pause. Listen, I totally agree. You'd be better off having no Surgeon General at all than having somebody like the last cat that you just described. I mean, that was a nightmare scenario for the American people and a whole generation of children, of which we have a collective sum here on the Variety Program. But this lady seems really thoughtful. I don't know a lot about her. What I do know largely comes from you and your interviews with her.

But boy, wouldn't it be nice to have somebody that's just sort of outside the box? And by the way, understands that a key component of the Trump coalition was the Maha coalition. Exactly right. And without Casey, I don't even know if you would have had RFKJ

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It's time to make America affordable again. It's time to support the President's plan. Ah, it's exciting. White smoke coming out of the chimney of the Sistine Chapel. Listen to the cheers in St. Peter's Square. Ah, there are tears. I'm feeling a little emotional. It's a big deal. Gosh, it's a big deal. It's a big deal for the world's 1.4 billion Catholics. And just seeing the emotion in Rome is quite something. Ah, there's some priests doing the sign of the cross.

Everyone's holding their arms up to the ceiling or to the sky in thanks and celebration. It's big. I mean, it's big that the leader of the Catholic church can absolutely change the direction of the church in ways, you know, for the better and for the worse. And Pope Francis was controversial. You know, the truly like deeply religious observant Catholics were split on him because he was so socially, quote, progressive that,

Um, but I will tell you this, I I've said this story, but just the long version is short version is like two years ago, I S I was having sort of a crisis of faith, just wondering like, why do I have to deal with the middleman? Like why, you know, like our evangelical friends, they don't, there's no middleman, you know, like that's, this is like a Christian uniquely Catholic thing. And, um,

I was thinking about wandering outside of the Catholic church. So I wandered over to a Presbyterian service thinking they're looser. Maybe this is like the place for me where I don't, I don't know. I'll have to investigate. The whole homily was about transing children and how it's good and we needed to support it. I'm like, and I'm out. The thing about the Catholic church, even under Pope Francis, who was like the most progressive Pope we've had in my lifetime is they hold the line.

on the core things that matter to most Catholics, whether it's abortion or transing children. They're not big on gay marriage, something I have attended and support for my friends, but I understand the controversy around it. So there's a very firm, strict moral code. And I have to say, I find that very attractive. I like that. I don't like wishy-washiness.

Like you get if you're a Presbyterian. Forgive me. My husband's a Presbyterian. My Presbyterian friends, you know what I'm trying to say. In any event, here they are cheering outside. And it's amazing, guys. Now this is a live feed. Look at the thousands who have poured into St. Peter's Square now that we know a new pope is about to be announced. We don't know who it is.

But I don't know. Are you guys Catholic? Anybody out there Catholic on my panel? Down here. Holmes had a whole conclave of Monsignors at his wedding. Yeah, a couple of bishops. Yeah, no, we did it right. We did it right. But, you know, like I was, I thought maybe you were going down the road of just taking a chainsaw at all the denominations. I feel like we're your guys for that. We got some observations. How did the Episcopalians escape? Like, what?

They're essentially a social club. And that's the thing. Now that you say that, I went Episcopal. I wrongly ripped the Presbyterians. It was the Episcopalians that did the homily on the trans kids. Yeah, sorry. Forgive me, Presbyterians. I mean, it'd be like AOC delivering the Sunday morning sermon at an Episcopalian place. Yes. I love that.

I love the pageantry of the Catholic Church. I love that ceremony. I love the white smoke. I like the... Me too. You know, all that stuff is great. And then, of course, there's millions of people around the world that derive great faith and direction from the Catholic Church. And that's something to celebrate, even if you don't believe it. Yeah, ritual and tradition, right? And I think, you know, Megan said it best, but like a church...

that doesn't stand for something with moral clarity is a social club. It's not a church. Ah, good point. And I think you could draw a direct causation to the church abandoning those core principles and the lack of attendance, especially with our young people. You got to stand for something. And people aren't going to rally and fill the pews in your church if you don't. They just aren't. Plus the other nice feature about being Catholic is that anytime you do screw up,

in some, you know, way. You can just go apologize for it, basically. And then you get a homework assignment. And then, like, all is clean. So you can feel, like, pretty good about it afterwards. Well, Protestants, we have that, too. We have that, too. It doesn't require the homework. There's the healing power of grace, which is something which I appreciate. You got to give a shout-out to the Jews here who just one day of atonement. That's it. One day a year.

Just private. It can be done like you go to temple, but it's kind of between you and your God. That's it. A whole year of sin and sinning forgiven. It's like you're good. Yeah, it seems like a nice ROI on that. Right? You know, you just kind of turn that around in 24 hours freshly. I know. I'm certain you already have, but have you gotten a chance to visit Vatican City, Megan? Yeah, we were there yesterday.

Two years ago, and we went on the full tour. We went into the Sistine Chapel. We had like sort of the VIP tour and it was breathtaking. It was absolutely stunningly breathtaking. And if you don't feel moved-

whatever your religion, you don't have a heart. I mean, it's like, hello, there's Michelangelo on the ceiling. And you think about what it took for him to create these magnificent works in this magnificent place that's so holy and so profound and from which billions of lives will be affected potentially, right? The edicts that come out of the church. And again, I don't pretend they don't have a very

I don't know what the word is, dark history in more recent years when it comes to the child sex abuse scandal, for which they really have never fully, fully like atoned or taken full responsibility. You know, there was so many years of passing the trash. It was awful. But I also don't think that's the real legacy of my church and what they stand for. And I think to Holmes's point, you know, we can forgive our church leaders and how they they behaved, but

the same way God forgives us. I mean, we have to dig deep to do it. And there are kids today still walking around with those scars. But look, just like you don't focus on your spouse's worst chapter or your kid's worst chapter,

That's how I feel about the Catholic Church. I don't focus on it. It's the absolute worst thing. Well, there was a ton of reform that was ushered in afterwards. My kids go to Catholic school. And if you want to volunteer as a parent, if you want to volunteer for anything, you've got to go through a full day of classes. I mean, you can't just show up to a class. I mean, what they've done to try to ensure that that never happens again, I think is impressive. President Trump weighed in.

He's probably disappointed it wasn't him or Marco Rubio. He said, I saw the smoke, but I haven't seen the pope. He said on his way out of the White House just moments ago. Here's Buck Sexton weighing in. Yes, there's white smoke from the Vatican. But how long before a Biden appointed judge reverses the conclave's decision? Very good. Well, we'll see.

As soon as we have news from the Vatican, we will go there and we will bring you the announcement. Okay. In the meantime, I've got to bring you this. We were on the subject of public health. This is not leading the news on any broadcast, but we have got to talk about what happened over at this lab underneath the HHS umbrella.

at the Fort Detrick Integrated Research Facility. That's the name of the lab where they do the riskiest research on our most deadly infectious diseases, COVID, Ebola, all the worst stuff. Okay. You want to work in there. You have to wear the full head to toe hazmat suit and

And it's like a clean room basically, where you touch anything with your bare body and you're seriously in danger of dying. Well, this whole situation I'm about to walk you through

reminds me of this scene from the great movie Outbreak starring Dustin Hoffman, Rene Russo, and Kevin Spacey who worked in these labs. And then when there was this weird outbreak of this disease, thanks to this monkey, they were working tirelessly to try to figure out, you know, what it was and could they come up with a vaccine? And here's, I'm going to show you the following scene for a reason. Watch.

What? Can I fix your breath away?

Okay. And then later he's walking around and sure enough, his suit like rips and that's the end of Kevin Spacey. Okay. So why am I, it's amazing. So why am I talking about this? Because, okay, I'm going to go backward.

Uh, last week, I think April 30th wired magazine, which is so far left drops the story.

A research facility within the U.S. National Institutes of Health that is tasked with studying Ebola and other deadly infectious diseases has been instructed by the Trump administration's Department of Health and Human Services to stop research activities. The research pause is the latest disruption to federal science agencies after HHS Secretary Robert Kennedy said,

announced at the end of March that 10,000 people across the vast federal health agency would lose their jobs, including those at the National Institutes of Health, FDA, and CDC. So Wired is basically like, they just shut down one of our most important labs studying these deadly infectious diseases, and it's because of Doge and that effort Trump. Plot twist, enter Dr. Jay Bhattacharya,

who you know is now running NIH, who says, you're not going to believe this. He comes out and says, two weeks ago, I ordered all work to halt at a high biosecurity risk NIH lab located in Frederick, Maryland. I did this because of a serious incident involving biosafety that had occurred in early March, but which did not cross my desk until weeks later. It turns out

that a contractor at the lab had deliberately cut a hole in a biocontainment suit over a personal dispute with a coworker. My God. Wait, and then the plot thickens more. Fox News reports, according to an HHS official who was willing to speak on the matter under the condition of anonymity,

The pause stemmed from a lover spat between researchers at the facility, which resulted in one of the individuals poking holes in the other's personal protective equipment. That's what you get for fishing off the company pier. Yeah. Unbelievable.

That's not like your average workplace. Was there an associated attempted murder charge with that? Yes. I mean, it could wipe out the Eastern seaboard.

I mean, like, unbelievable. Like, think about that. They're like, well, if this guy catches Ebola and just spreads it to the, you know, major metropolitan areas on the eastern United States, it's still worth it because I was slighted. Right. Some people get weird magazines delivered to their colleagues or they like on their email and send an embarrassing email when their computer's unattended. This guy's like, ah, you got Ebola. Yeah.

And then was willing to send this person out, to your point, like to wander around the world, potentially having contracted this disease. They say the individual has since been fired. But again, I think you're right there. I think we should be looking at criminal charges. I think it's that's life in prison. Yeah, it really does sound like attempted murder.

Yeah. And an ongoing investigation, says Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, revealed a pattern. Oh, wait, let's go back to the pope. He's coming out. It's an American pope, you guys. Unbelievable. Robert Francis Prevost, who's going to go as Pope Leon XIV. And here's what CBS News wrote up about him.

prior to him being selected. Of the 266 popes who have led the Catholic Church, not one of them has been from the U.S. While the relative youth of the nation means fewer than 20 of those men served after the U.S. Declaration of Independence,

One prominent U.S. bishop has a possible explanation for the lack of an American leader of the world's Catholics up until now. Robert Barron, he's been on the show. Bishop of the Diocese of Minnesota was appointed less than a week ago by President Trump to the new White House Commission on Religious Liberty. However, today he's at the Vatican. Hold on. Let's get to the part about this guy. Barron has spent days speaking with the cardinals, including the 133 electors tasked with electing the new pope. He had to be under a certain age in order to vote. OK, where does he say this guy?

He's going through, he's handicapping all of the Americans. Okay, now he gets to Prevost.

One American name has popped up repeatedly amid the gossip over leading contenders, Cardinal Robert Prevost. He is undoubtedly qualified as the only clear qualifications for the role of pontiff are that they'd be male and Catholic. But emerging on top with the necessary backing of just over two thirds of the voting cardinal electors will require far more than just eligibility. Originally from Chicago, Prevost is the head of the church's dicastery for bishops. The powerful position means he oversees the selection of new bishops.

For any cardinal electors who may be turned off by his American nationality, it's not his only one. He's a dual citizen. He's also a citizen of Peru, where he served for many years. He's seen overall as a centrist on some key social issues. Leo. He's going by Leo. Leo the 14th. While Prevost is seen overall as a centrist on some key social issues, he is viewed as progressive.

He has long embraced marginalized groups, a lot like Francis, who championed migrants and the poor. Well, I mean, that's kind of what the Catholic Church does. But also, like Pope Francis, the Illinois native opposes ordaining women as deacons. I mean, again. So on that point, he's seen as conservative on church doctrine. All right, well, that didn't tell us much. That was a lot of work for very little return. But I can't believe it. Pope Leo XIV, and he's an American. Okay.

It's never happened before, guys. I mean, here we are with Megyn Kelly with a real historic moment for our entire world. It's incredible. An American pope. And also when Donald Trump is president, we get an American Olympics and American World Cup dominance. I mean, America's just back. Global dominance. We're back, baby. America's back. I love it. Well, I can't wait to hear what this means. You know, I don't.

I'm not sure about that write-up I just read. Like being pro-poor and pro-migrant is kind of right on brand, whether you're a conservative or a progressive pope. I mean, they all are. You're not going to get somebody who's anti-poor people or migrants. That's just not the Catholic church. A church shit and a Catholic religion there. Yeah, like, sorry, that's not how it's going to go. And you're definitely not going to find many who want female priests, right?

or Pope's. So, okay. We need to learn more to figure out more about who this guy is. Chicago. How about that? Chicago for the W you guys by way of Peru.

It's crazy. I mean, I feel more than a little underqualified to handicap how this whole thing has played out. But it is exciting. I mean, look, we were all told that there was never going to be an American pope. Like that was just assumed that this would just never happen, that the Vatican would never allow it.

Here we are. I'm actually really anxious to hear from him. Yeah, we were very focused on the Ruthless Variety program on Pizza Bala. Yeah, well, because we loved his name. We loved his name. We didn't anticipate the Chicago Deep Dish would actually come in. You know? Yeah. We were focused on the wrong pizza. Deep Dish. You're exactly right. It was the wrong pizza. That's exactly right. If you listen to the program today, we had a whole bunch of Super Mario videos.

audio that we played during that too. It was your East Coast bias, you see. That's right. Well, he went to Villanova and says, what does that play into this? Like, wow. And yeah, I mean, that's analysis I'm getting here. Interesting. Okay. That's amazing. Well, I mean, I'm sad that our discussion about the lab attack was shortened, but I'm thrilled we have a new Pope. This is big news for worldwide Catholics. And as we learn more,

We'll get it. We're actually trying to get some friends from the Catholic channel to phone in so they can tell us a thing or two about the new Pope. Very important. And when we do, we'll go there. But in the meantime, I'm going to continue forward with the news, which we're probably better at. Let's face it. The Catholic channel has got you covered if you want to go deep on the Pope. Okay, let's move on.

Okay. I mentioned at the top of the show, there was this hearing yesterday. It was like by the Doge subcommittee looking into men who play in women's sports.

And look, they've had a lot of these kinds of hearings, but this one stood out because of Brandon Gill star rising star in the Republican party. I think he's only 31 years old. He's from Texas. A fun fact. He's married to Dinesh D'Souza's daughter, which is so cool. Um, Dinesh and I go way back and, um,

He should be the only one doing questioning. I mean, it's really at that level. He's so effective. So he gets this guy who is such a jerk of USA fencing, Damian Lefeld, L-E-H-F-E-L-D-T, in front of him yesterday, who was one of the witnesses called to testify. And we've been covering the story

this young woman who she walked out. She refused to fence a man in her championship. She had to sacrifice the potential of the medal. No one cared. Her name was, I think it was Stephanie Turner. Yeah, where she got up and she was like, I'm not doing this. It was just this past March. This guy, zero empathy for the Stephanie Turners of the world. In fact, he's the reason that she and others like her are having to go through this and sacrifice their medals. He is all

in on letting men play in women's sports and very against even parents who raise an objection based on the safety of their daughters. Well, Brandon Gill wasn't having it. Okay. Let's start with, um, yeah. I think that parents who don't want their daughters competing against men and women's sports are whiny. No, sir. You don't. Why did you write that on social media? I've got a, a

Picture here where you posted that. You were allegedly responding to a parent who didn't want their daughter being beaten up by men in sports competitions. You said, I'm not going to pull her from the sport and write a whiny email announcing my departure.

Sir, Congressman Jack had asked me about that, and I want to be crystal clear, that was an inappropriate message. Do you think that they're cowardly? No, I don't. I don't at all. And in fact... Why did you write that on social media? I regret it, sir. I deleted it shortly after posting, and I certainly don't feel that way anymore. And given a lot of the messages that we receive, and even conversations that I've had... Do you think that parents who don't want their daughters competing against men in sports should be compared to the Ku Klux Klan?

No, absolutely not. And I said that in the message, sir. Why did you do that? That was inappropriate. Yes, sir. Yeah, you're right. That is inappropriate. I'd like to read what you wrote and what you posted on social media. Sir. Responding allegedly to a lady who had these concerns, the only wizard that's going to dig you out of the myopic hole you put yourself and your family in is one of the, quote, grand wizard variety. Inappropriate, sir.

And I acknowledge that I said it and I will commit to never making a message like that again. That was in response to a parent, according to you on social media, who had a problem with this. Was this a real email that you were responding to? It was a real email, sir. I did not respond to it. This was a real email. Did an actual parent write this or did you write this email? It was written by an actual person claiming to be a parent. They were not a member of our. Were you that actual person?

No, sir. You were not that actual person, but you staged this, this whole interaction. The response, sir, was, was not real. And I, I regret that. Okay. Oh my Lord. Wow. Here's the thing. First off, Brandon Gale is brilliant. Brilliant. He's, he's the class president for the freshman class.

But he's not just brilliant and courageous to be willing to take up these fights. He's methodical. Like he always walks these people straight into a ditch before he body slams them. Well, I mean, I got to say the Lord has really blessed us in that.

our enemies are very stupid. You know, like, how is it that you're going to answer that question and be like, no, I don't believe that. When you know, you got to know, you're going before the House of Representatives, the United States Congress. Like, they got the details. Like, they got everything you've ever said. Yeah.

Yeah. But it speaks to how insane these people are, right? That they, they actually are that egotistical that they can actually think they could lie before the United States house of representatives and they're not going to get called on their shit. Like that is their whole ideology is just like, these people are just malignant narcissists. Well, so Duncan, he, you heard the accusation there. He denied it. But what we're being told is that

This guy, again, he's denying it sort of, but he wrote the plaintiff email of I'm pulling my daughter and boys shouldn't complain or compete against girls. And you're putting the needs of one percent above the needs of 50 percent speaks volumes. You're a man defending men's rights. Signed Dorothy.

Right. He wrote that. Yeah. It's the email version of the LeBron flop. You know, it's like, oh, wait, here it is in SOT 9. OK, this just so that he could write back his like, screw you, Dorothy. The only wizard you're going to be dealing with is the KKK wizard response just to make himself look like a tough guy. Here he is confirming that this whole thing was fake. SOT 9.

Mr. Liefeld, and I mean this with respect, in your capacity as a representative of USA Fencing, have you ever impersonated a woman? No, I have not, sir. Not to my knowledge. I ask because I understand you have a history of creating fictitious female personas. In one instance, you impersonated a woman named Dorothy and wrote an email to yourself, which you then published on social media for all your followers to see along with your response. Do you want to comment on that? Yeah.

Yeah, I do, sir. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to address that. It was a poor attempt at humor. It was unbecoming of me as a leader of this organization to post that as I did. And quite frankly, moving forward, that's not something that's going to happen again. It's unacceptable. And it's not something that should happen with any human to human interaction, period.

I mean, this guy, this guy has spent the last who knows how many years waging a different kind of sword fight. And he just got bodied. Like, let's step back for a second. And knowing that all this is going to come out as you're sitting there at the at the desk.

Like you are that committed to letting men play in women's sports. Like you could just send out a press release and be like, no, we're good. Women just in women's sports and like sweep it under the rug. But to sit there and put yourself through this entire process is insane.

An insane proposition. One of my favorite little parts of those deals is right about when you're going to get massacred in these hearings when you're like, well, thank you. I appreciate the opportunity to discuss the most humiliating things that I've done. I'd love to get kicked in the groin on national television. And the fact that it's part of the congressional record forever is great. Let's watch more. Sot 6. Are you okay with cis females being at a disadvantage?

If their competitor, assuming that you're talking about... It's a yes or no question. ...that they've met the requirements set forth in the policy... Why did you post on social media for the world to see...

You were asked in an anonymous question, which you posted online. Are you okay with cis females being at a disadvantage? You said, yeah. Yeah, I believe it was Congressman Cloud that had asked me about that, sir. And I'm happy to address it again. That was a one word answer to a more nuanced topic. And I feel like if I could take it back and expound a little bit more than what I had there. Reclaiming my time. Reclaiming my time. Yeah, here it is. He's got it right here. He posted...

Send me anonymous messages. And the question is, are you OK with cis females being at a disadvantage? And again, I mean, we probably posted that question to himself again. And he responds. Yeah. In big letters. Yeah. He's fine. He doesn't. The guy doesn't give a shit. By the way, he wasn't disavowing that position yesterday. He was wiggling on his most smarmy like articulations of it. But he was not disavowing his position that men should be playing against women. I'll give you one more. Sot seven.

I'm just asking you yes or no. Do you think men should be allowed in women's locker rooms? I don't have a personal opinion. You don't have a person. You have a personal opinion on a lot of things, but not on that. Sure. I mean, it's it's a locker room is not really an area where people interact. So the answer is yes. I don't think that men should be allowed to share showers with women in athletic facilities. I think that showering is a private activity and that it should be private.

And it should be private. There's oftentimes communal showers. Are you okay with men showering with women? I don't have an opinion on that in the context of USA. Interesting. That's a, that's an astounding thing to not have an opinion on. I think most normal people have an opinion on that. He's so good.

He doesn't let him off the hook, right? Yes, he goes right to. Right. Like even your lie to me. We all know he has an opinion and that he's totally fine with it. But Gil accepts his lie and then exposes how absurd the lie position is.

Exactly. He lets him dig his own grave. That's what I love about the way he does this entire interrogation. He's not going to let him get an escape hatch and then be like, all right, well, we're going to move on to something else. It's like, no, it's actually super weird. Most normal people have an opinion about communal showers between men and women, you know? Here's one more. This will not surprise any of you. Watch this last one and then I'll give it to you, Smug. You think inclusivity presumably is a big part of the fencing community. Is that right?

I would say so, sir. We're a very welcoming community and I'm proud of that. Are you welcoming to Trump supporters? Absolutely. Then why did you with your Facebook page from the fencing coach, right? Imagine being one of 71 million people dumb enough to vote re-election for a treasonous clown who's permanently banned from Twitter for inciting an insurrection. You mad MAGA bros.

I acknowledge that I stated that in my personal capacity, sir, our as chair. That was the fencing coach. I have to acknowledge that 77 million people voted for him in reelection. That wasn't your personal capacity. That was from your capacity as, quote, the fencing coach online. Yes, that is. That is my blog, sir. That's my publication. I acknowledge writing that. OK. Oh, is it?

Is it any wonder that this poor girl, Stephanie Turner, was faced with this situation? Let's run the video of her at this USA fencing event, March of 2025. She handled it very gracefully. She saw that it was a male. Can we run the video? She saw that it was male and she got up and said, no. She said, I mean, you don't know disrespect, but you are a male and I'm not going to compete against you. Here she was giving it all up.

Look at this. This woman trained countless hours over the course of her life, years and years of practice and dedication and other opportunities missed. And it all came down to this. And she chose not to fence because her opponent was a male, was a male. And this guy, Damian Leffeld, who is the head of USA Fencing, is a male.

is to blame, as are all the board members of USA Fencing who are allowing this. All we need is two thirds of them to fire this guy and we might be able to start anew. But from what I'm gleaning, they all need to be fired too. Anybody that would leave this absolute moron in charge of this organization as public as he's been all over social media with these positions, they're complicit. They share the ideology. That seems very clear.

And it took this young active, you know, this young woman, an act of courage, Stephanie Turner, to really turn our attention to what was happening in this, you know, relatively obscure sport. It's very important to those who do it, but it's not like NFL football. We don't focus on fencing that much, but it's just as wrong.

And the thing is that I remember seeing that video and I was so enraged because you saw the guy who was trying to compete against her walk over and be like, why aren't you competing? Just this is unfair to me because like there was this horrific period of time that we're starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel of where there was a social pressure of you have to bow down to this insanity. Don't trust your lying eyes. It's totally normal that a guy wants to compete with women. And if you don't agree with that, you're a bigot.

And then the thing that was at the center of all of this, now, Brandon Gill did a great job of exposing and making so clear with that idiot who he was who was cross examining is it was all about this whole kind of like virtue signaling.

of putting these posts out there. Even if you're creating the email to yourself, to virtue, I'm a good person. Look at me. I'm with this new movement. I support the thing, you know, like look how good I am of making himself look like a clown. But do you like, I'm not even sure it's an ideology anymore. Like if you look at some of those posts and, and,

you know, like the one that Brandon Gill was, was pointing out about, um, are you okay with CIS women being at a disadvantage? And he says, yeah, it's just misogyny. I think they actually just hate. And I'm curious, Megan, your perspective on this. Like,

I don't, I'm not even sure it's an ideology anymore. I think they actually just hate women. They're like the OG misogynist. I think they actually are just misogynist. Yeah. No, I agree. I agree because they're really, they don't care about women's rights at all. They want men to be in a position to hurt them. Like who would back that other than someone who has deep loathing of women. And you know, they're not alone. This, this was, oh my God, this is infuriating. The women's law center, which do not, do not be fooled by the name.

Um, they decide this woman, Fatima gross or gas graves, who was there. She is the president of the national women's law center action fund and the co-founder of times up red, red flag. There we go. Right. We go. Yeah. So sure. Her foundation bio says she's an attorney who has spent her career fighting to advance the opportunities for women's and women and girls.

She issued a blistering statement after Trump's executive order, keeping men out of women's sports, which was a thing of beauty. And she goes on as follows. This executive order is another attempt to bully trans people, including children and misuse the government to enforce sexist gender roles, sexist gender roles.

What are you saying? Yeah. Biological roles. That's what we're talking about. President Trump's actions are cruel, blatant attempts to eviscerate safe, affirming and equitable schools. A right that every student deserves, including transgender youth. How is this pro woman? You are the CEO of the National Women's Law Center. And all she gives a damn about is the men pretending to be us.

It's incredible. I mean, the mental gymnastics, it almost is a mental illness at this point. If you come to this, it's either that or they like the fencing guy heard a lot about sword fighting had a very different connotation of what it was that he was trying to manage there. I don't think he'd be good at that either.

Oh, I love you. Getting that from MK. Oh, my gosh. That just cuts to the core. That's good. I hope he hears it. Yeah, I hope he does, too. But you're right. I mean, this is modern day misogyny. It just is what it is. You know, you don't go back to like a progressive left sort of support of women or, you know, all the work and the blood, sweat and tears went into Title IX and all the people associated with that.

then now take a leftist position that like, now it's totally cool if dudes can just, you know, completely crush you and all these various athletic. It's nuts. It's, it's a crazy thing. And then they use these warm words of like, it's safe. Right. And it's affirming. Right. And it's equitable. Yeah. So they have coded all,

Affirming is such an interesting word. Yeah. It's so dangerous. It's not safe for the girls. People are going to die if you don't do what we say. Yeah, safe for who? Not that girl who got the volleyball slammed into her face. So that moron who I just read from, she gave testimony at this event yesterday and they asked her, somebody asked her about Peyton McNabb, who was also there, the girl who, when she was 17-

suffered brain damage after the fall was spiked so hard. Yeah, exactly. So this woman who I just read from, Women's Law Center, was asked about Peyton McNabb and watch this. Was Peyton McNabb safe on September 1st of 2022? It sounds like she definitely wasn't. What happened to her was tragic. I would argue, though, that the answer is to ensure that people can't spike volleyballs into people's heads. That seems unsafe.

Oh, my God. She has no idea what the sport is. What is she talking about? I would argue that there should be no ball at all. We should also get rid of baskets in basketball. Yep. I mean, that's literally, this woman is an idiot. An idiot. Is it any wonder, like, Time's Up rejected the claims of Tara Reid against Joe Biden, right? Like, you've got people like that.

running these organizations. It's no wonder they're just absolutely stupid, partisan hacks. Like this is the woman that they just made a statue of in Times Square. It's literally that woman. I'm sorry, but that's her. Like that's the thing. It's like overweight.

They're so twisted and committed to this insane ideology. They want everything in the world to change to conform to their ideology of like, well, maybe they shouldn't have had a volleyball in the volleyball match. I think that's the problem. Yeah.

What? It's dangerous. We're just saying maybe men shouldn't compete in women's sports. What are you saying? Just take the volleyball away. It wouldn't have happened. What is wrong with you? In fact, I think sport is barbaric. And if you all just sat around with me and looked at seance candles for the rest of the afternoon, I think you'd be perfectly sane. I think this woman would do a lot better if she listened to it. You know? Yeah.

If she looked at a seance candle, she might do better. I don't know. Like there's something wrong with that person. What an idiot. Okay. Sorry. I got to take a break. We'll be right back. Don't go away. Let me tell you about financial yield solutions, Inc. Known as FYSI. If you're handling your own books or have a bookkeeper, you risk inaccuracies, missed deductions and blind spots in cashflow.

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From what we know so far, although American, Pope Leo spent most of his life outside of the U.S., including two decades in Peru. There he became a bishop and a naturalized citizen. According to the New York Times, Leo speaks Italiano and also Spanish, but not English. What? It is unclear where he will stand on progressive issues like same-sex couples, transgender Catholics, among other things. In his opening remarks, Pope Leo called for the need to build bridges.

Here to discuss this historic moment is Gus Lloyd. He is a lifelong Catholic and host of Seize the Day on SiriusXM Catholic channel. Gus, welcome. So what do we know about this new Pope?

Very little. You know, it's interesting, Megan, because in the in the big list of papabile, the people that had a chance at being pope, he was near the bottom of the list. And it's very much like Bergoglio, like Pope Francis in 2013. You know, he was rather unexpected. So this is a very unexpected pick. And I think the world is just now learning about Pope Leo XIV.

Okay, I am seeing some chatter online. He had a Twitter account as a Cardinal, you know, prior to this momentous elevation. And he recently, on February 3rd,

tweeted something at J.D. Vance. J.D. Vance had in February and January said something like, look, the way you're supposed to do life is you love your family, your God, your community, and then your world, you know, your country, and then your world lasts sort of. And this now Pope tweeted, J.D. Vance is wrong. Jesus doesn't ask us to rank our love for others. He was actually tweeting an article that had that headline, but he adopted it.

So I got to tell you, Gus, this concerns me a little. Your thoughts? Well, in what way? What way does it concern you?

Well, that he's adding J.D. Vance, like he's taking on J.D. Vance about something J.D. said on the order in which you love people and that the, you know, sort of end community would be placed last after one's family and one's God and one's country. Like that's that's something that you could argue is true even in scripture. And it's certainly true within the Republican Party.

Yeah, well, the Ordo Amoris. So let me just say a couple of things. Number one, a pope has to be the pope of the whole world. And, you know, as Americans especially, we get zeroed in on politics and we think in terms of conservative and progressive, et cetera, et cetera. So, you know, I think we need to give this time to play out to see. But in general, Megan, I would say that, you know, he's kind of a Pope Francis guy, if you will.

probably is not going to be as off the cuff as Pope Francis was. But I think generally speaking, he's probably going to bring the church in the direction that Pope Francis started. Now, what you know what that means as far as conservative progressive, that's anybody's guess right now. But that's probably where we are right now.

There's, um, we're getting more. Okay. Uh, John Favreau, who worked for Obama tweets out an American Pope who fights with JD Vans on Twitter. I am so in, and they have, um, a repost by this guy of somebody else who posted as Trump and Bukele use the oval to, uh,

I think it's an emoji. The Fed's illicit deportation of a U.S. resident once upon an undocked Salvadoran himself, now D.C.,

I can't read this. Do you not see the suffering? Is your conscience not disturbed? How can you stay quiet? So this guy seems right in line with Pope Francis from what I'm reading here, Gus, very anti the Trump vans, immigration policies, and, you know, anti wall, notwithstanding the one around the Vatican, et cetera.

Well, again, you know, I think we're going to have to wait and see how this all plays out. Being a Pope Francis guy, you know, Pope Francis named him a cardinal in 23. So he is a Pope Francis guy. And again, Megan, we have to really let this play out and see how all of this is going to look in due time. And it will work itself out in due time. OK, well, let's focus on the fact that he's an American. And I guess that's a plus. It's kind of exciting. Yeah, very exciting.

We'll give him a chance and see what he does as Pope and how he sees church doctrine. Gus Lloyd, thank you. So welcome. Thanks, Megan. The fellas are still here. Gus actually knew what he was talking about. He was like citing, you know, church doctrine. But me, I remain concerned. Anyone else? So I share your concerns. I did some research and I looked at some of his writing. And there's a quote where he says that colonial ideologies have caused us to think in binaries.

Yeah, that's concerning in hierarchies. Right. And the issue is and I think you talked with Gus about this is, you know, ranking our love or I mean, that's that I mean, that's a way that every family operates. Like my first obligation is to my family. That is a duty that I have. I love everyone. But come on, you have to rank it. My kids are going to get the college fund, not some randos in Libya.

But if he's talking about the suffering of El Salvadorian gang members, he's ranking something there because I think about the suffering of Kate Steinle's family. I think about the suffering of Lake and Riley's family. These are people who are hurt by these policies. So there are a whole lot more people affected than just one group. I'm going to take a very brave position of not being excommunicated here on the election of a pope. And so I will tip my cap, wish him luck and hope all goes well.

He's just a Catholic school boy. All right, guys. That was the weirdest episode we've ever done together. I appreciate you guys being here for it. I hope to see you soon. Lots of love, guys. Wow. Okay. What a day here on the Megyn Kelly show. We did the Pope. We did the weird lab leak. Casey means Joe Biden incomprehensible. There was a lot in today's show, but it was just bizarre. Thanks for bearing with us, and we'll do it all over again.

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