Evening Edition: Searching For Answers For Unexplained Phenomena
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to deploying the latest AI technology. This is a new era of American innovation. Find out more at g.co slash American innovation. The topic of UAPs, formerly known as UFOs, is coming back up on Capitol Hill lately. There's another briefing for lawmakers scheduled next week. A new image was released at a hearing last week of

of what's said to be a cruise ship-sized UAP. Some people don't buy it. More lately say, why not? Demand for the truth on kind of everything has a shot at that, but specifically UAPs.

When you, it's not having the truth or not someone not saying the truth is kind of like having something stuck in your teeth. And it's very healing when you can get that thing out and you can move on to the next step. We're speaking today to cognitive neuroscientist, Dr. Julia Mossbridge. She was at last week's briefing, a PSYOP specialist and co-founder of TILT, the Institute of Love and Time. And for, you know, maybe 70 years or more, we've had something stuck in our teeth and it's just starting to come out. And that's exciting.

I've done interviews about UAPs before, and I always come away with something stuck in my teeth. I always feel a little bit dissatisfied afterward. Am I wrong, at least with publicly available information, to say that this is more smoke than fire? No, I think the publicly available information is more smoke than fire, but I think there's fire there.

It's just not publicly available right now. And I think that's going to change. And it looks, you know, everything, the Defense Department is coming out, the intelligence community is coming out and saying,

It looks like these things are real and we're trying to figure them out. That's step one. So, you know, 10 years ago they were saying they're not real, but they knew that they were real. And so now that's changing. And that's really step one. You're still going to have stuff stuck in your teeth for a little bit longer until we get a little bit more information. The fact that these are respected people.

people this isn't this isn't fringe this isn't just you know middle of the night radio stuff anymore these are people that are respected in their fields who are considered people of science military people that are like yeah this is absolutely something that's that's happening we we we may not have an explanation for all of it yet but um for one thing it's um a national security issue yep that we need to address yeah so that's i so i think like looking at it from that tack and not just little green guys

Maybe the way that this comes out. It is the way this is coming out, right? So you think of Ryan Graves for instance fighter pilot who was involved in the tic-tac incident Those videos that came out in 2017 you remember that thing that looked like a tic-tac and so he's been doing amazing work and congressional testimony and with Tim Galudet and Lou Elizondo all saying you know we need to be able to say what we know is true and

And then you've got Congress people from both sides of the aisle who are pushing for some kind of a response, some kind of accountability on what can we actually say that's not going to get rid of our advantage on any kind of new technology that we don't want to reveal. So it's a careful balance, and I think they're working on it. But the way that the country can get healed with getting this stuff out of our teeth is to continually work toward...

bipartisan and even nonpartisan support of the truth as long as it doesn't diminish our American advantage. So there's this is a balancing act. Yeah, that's what I was like. That's I guess that you're saying that's the motivation for keeping what has been kept secret secret is that

It's not just, oh, we don't want to create panic or whatever it is. I mean, there are actually intelligence reasons for keeping stuff close to the vest. Right. And there's intelligence reasons perhaps for keeping some things not close to the vest. And so there's information, there's misinformation, there's disinformation. And I'm not saying that the government is perpetrating misconduct.

Any of those three things. I think that everyone perpetrates all of those three things, sometimes without knowing it. And so I think in the end, what we get to sort of psychologically, which is my training's in cognitive neuroscience, and I think a lot about just how the human brain is trying to adapt to the situation, which is really complex.

And I think that what we can do is remember that every single person, regardless of the side of the aisle or regardless of what you think about UAP or anything else, is trying to navigate a really complex, rapidly changing environment. And it's not clear what information is going to help or hinder that process. And it's a little sketchy, right? It's scary, essentially. Well, something else that is being

to my mind being taken more seriously. I want to talk about your work in psyops. When I say psyops, I don't mean PSY, I don't mean psychological. Mind control. Right. I mean, psionics, PSI ops. Right. So explain what that is. Explain just in practical terms what you're doing. Yeah. So psionics or PSI, psyops,

What that is are applications that use essentially what I like to call consciousness technology. So the ability to directly use your mind to influence something, like we call that telekinesis or psychokinesis, but also the ability to use your mind to receive information that's distant in time or space. So that's sometimes called clairvoyance.

It's sometimes called ESP. It's sometimes called precognition, which is most of my expertise is in precognition, about getting information from the future. And all of these wrapped together have been explored in the intelligence community and the military intelligence circles for decades under the name remote viewing, which is getting information distant in time or space. So it could be the past. It could be the future.

It could be around the globe, on another planet, right? And training your mind to receive that information and have it be accurate. I mean, there are obvious military applications for that and lots of other applications for it too. Are there theories about how this stuff might work with our existing known laws of science? Or how are you moving something with your mind? How are you seeing something in the future? How are you seeing something halfway around the world based on

What's in books so far or is that stuff just not in books yet? I almost don't know, right? One of the things I'm very interested in is what rules will have to change in the world of physics, in the world of psychology, in the world of biology to explain that this is already happening. So already there are people who are gifted at this. We know that.

There are, on average, on average, people can do this. It's kind of like musical ability. So some people are truly gifted and they're going to end up singing opera or being a concert pianist, right? And some people are, you know, most people can carry a tune or hum. And then some people just

are horrible at music. And I think it's the same thing here. You have people who are just incredibly skilled and we know that. And then on average, people can kind of get some information. Like if someone's calling you that you haven't heard from in a long time, you might have a thought in your head about them and it just shows up, right? This kind of thing. And then some people are just no good at it, but very few. And

And so I think that I forgot the question, but I got into the distribution of the population because people always ask that. So, sorry. I mean, my question was more about everybody's got some sort of intuition. Everybody's had that experience of, oh, I was just thinking about you. Oh, I was just...

Thinking about that, I just mentioned this yesterday and there it is. Or the night before my grandma died who wasn't sick. Right. Yeah. I dreamed about her. Exactly. Are there testable scientific theories behind stuff like that? Yeah. And stuff like telekinesis, if that's the right term for moving something with your mind or remote viewing? Yeah. Yeah. So most people call it psychokinesis. Yeah.

I think that, look, we just gave a Nobel Prize to a group.

that was a couple years back that was focused on non-locality. What they showed, a group of physicists, what they showed is that the universe really is non-local. What does that mean? That means some particle way across the universe is in sync with another particle way across the universe. When one changes, the other changes instantaneously. So faster than the speed of light. So that tells us something. It tells us two things. One is this idea of transfer of information across time and space is

is quite possible according to our laws of physics. And it also tells us that the Nobel Prize Committee wants to support this kind of thinking. And so I think we're moving towards a realization that the current laws of physics are in fact supportive of this kind of psionics and physics.

We don't quite get it yet. It's like it's for 100 years we've been understanding non-locality and quantum mechanics, and yet we haven't been understanding the implications. We've been speaking to Dr. Julia Mossbridge. More after this.

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You do a lot of work with intuition, too. Yeah. Which is something that some people have better than others. Like, for example, if everybody just took the same raw data, they'd be picking the same stocks.

or they would have the exact same weather forecast. Yep. And some people are better at that than others, even with the same existing data sets. That's right. In fact, there was a really great study looking at day traders who were significantly better than other day traders, and they found that they were the ones who could actually hear their own heartbeats. So the implication is that if you have, it's called interoception, your capacity to feel your own body, right?

And if you have better interoception, you're going to bet on these stocks in a way that works better for you. And the idea is that comes from, I believe, some work I have done way back in the day, which showed that your body, your heartbeat, your respiration, maybe even your temperature varies according to what is coming up in the future. So something that's important to you in the future is kind of reflected back in time like a mirror and is changing your body.

And I think that the stockbrokers who are really good at day trading are actually sensing that. Is this a time is a flat circle thing, or is this...

Is it that everything is happening all at once or if things were linear, you're not seeing the future? How does time work? Right. Easy question, right? Yeah. Time is really weird. So no one knows how time works. In about 10 years, I believe we'll look back at this very year, last year and this year, as the years that physicists and philosophers of physics finally admitted they don't know how time works.

So I can't answer the question of how time works because I'm neither a physicist nor a philosopher of physics. And also, they don't know either. So I guess it was sort of an unfair question. No, they're all fair. I can also answer what I think time is. You want me to say? Yeah, please. Okay. How I think it's working is that time is like a room.

And if you're, this is actually based on a dream I had. So this is just as good as anything. But time is like a room. And if you know, let's say there's a nuclear bomb going off in the room and that's in what you would call the future part of the room. If you know that that's there, you can walk around it. So you don't have to run into that. It's like if you have intelligence about the future, you can avoid things that you don't like or you could move towards things you do like.

And I think that that room is only visible to our unconscious minds for the most part. And then these techniques like remote viewing, people are training themselves to make that conscious. Just even more simply, intuition, that can be trained. Yes, you can train your intuition. And I think that's actually the way out of the situation we're in with all the deep fakes and all the...

Misinformation, disinformation. We're going to get closer and closer to recognizing that we can, within ourselves, discern the truth. I know that sounds scary, especially coming from a scientist, because also you have to do experiments in the actual world to make sure you're not fooling yourself. Right. Right?

But you can train yourself to be more intuitive, like as simple as before you go to sleep, you can write yourself a little note that says, I don't understand this. When I wake up, I want to have a solution to that problem. And when you wake up, you might find that you had an interesting dream or you might have an insight that gives you the solution to the problem more often than not. So that's one way you can do it. So there are going to be things you suspect that in 10 years, 20 years, 100 years, things that were considered possible

woo-woo out there, even now, certainly 50 years ago, are going to just be commonplace and, oh, we just didn't know it at the time, but it's

but it's perfectly natural and real. Yes. I think we will have banks of people who we actually hire to use their psychic abilities to help us avoid tragedies. Cops do, right? We already, yeah. Usually people who work, who are skilled psychics who work with law enforcement often don't charge. Sometimes will if they're really in, you know, if they're pressed for time. I have a team of very skilled psychics who do things for free and

especially cold cases or missing people. And you have groups of people who already work with intelligence agencies around the world, not just in the U.S., to do this. And I think that'll be expanded and more visible. I imagine that there are some, you know, jaded cops, detectives who are like, oh, come on, this is whatever. I mean, I'll try anything, but

all right, if it works, it works. And I don't really need to know how. I just want my case solved. Yeah. And that's pretty much what they hand down to the next cop who comes on to the same case. They just say, like the detective says, look, we've been working with a psychic. You know, we actually opened up the cold. I know of a specific example of opening up a cold case because of the information that was obtained by a psychic. And so they go, okay, we go with it. It doesn't mean that you can use that information in court. You have to take the information kind of like a tip

And then you go actually find ways to back up or ask questions that you can use in court to solve it. All right. There's still something in my teeth. It's not as big. It's not quite as irritating. Okay. And it's good to know that, you know, maybe floss is coming. Yeah, floss is coming. Just what are some practical tips?

if not now, future military applications for psionics? Sure. These are just things I thought of. It's not that I have any special insight into the military. These are just things that I've thought of. So any country could employ psionics

to understand where an enemy or an adversary is at any particular time or where they will be in the future. So if you know where an adversary is going to be in the future and you know what kind of ammunition they might have or what kind of technology they might have, it's much easier to try to defeat them than if you don't have that information. And if everybody has that,

then what's the, what's the end point? That's my favorite thing. So if everybody has that, then the end point is recognizing how do we actually get to peace? So looking far enough in the future to say, how does this actually end? And then just meeting there. Wouldn't that be something? Yeah. Julia Mossbridge, thanks for coming on the Fox News Rundown. Thank you. Thank you.

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