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Killer Conversation: Sebastian Burns & Atif Rafay - Part 2

2025/6/25
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Judy Ryback
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Sebastian Burns
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Judy Ryback: Mr. Big行动是由加拿大皇家骑警执行的卧底行动，他们伪装成有组织犯罪集团，引诱目标人物进入他们自认为的非法生意中。警方利用Sebastian和Atif正在创作的剧本，声称可以找到投资人，从而接近他们。最终，在Mr. Big的要求下，Sebastian承认了谋杀罪。 Peter Van Sant: Mr. Big行动小组非常擅长引人入局，目标包括医生、律师和银行家。在美国，像Mr. Big这样的卧底行动所获得的证据通常是不可采纳的，但由于“银盘原则”，加拿大合法获得的证据可以在美国使用。Sebastian在录像带中以一种漠不关心的态度承认谋杀罪，甚至会笑，这让陪审团非常反感。最终，他们都获得了三个连续的无期徒刑，并且不太可能获得假释。 Sebastian Burns: 我承认，我当时在说谎，我只是因为紧张和尴尬而傻笑。你在录像带中看到的不是真正的我，我是被迫认罪的，因为我害怕Mr. Big会对我做什么。我试图让Mr. Big的人相信我不会报警，但我不想杀人。 Atif Rafay: 我觉得为了获得真正的无罪证明而做出虚假的供述有点有趣。谈论虚构的故事比谈论真相更容易，因为我没有情感。我不愿过多地陷入自怜，所以我尽量不去想它。

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This chapter details the Canadian "Mr. Big" sting operation, an undercover investigation posing as an organized crime family to entrap Sebastian Burns and Atif Rafay. It describes how the police used the targets' screenplay and other information to build rapport and ultimately elicit confessions.
  • Undercover RCMP unit posed as organized crime family
  • Targeted doctors, lawyers, bankers successfully
  • Used screenplay "The Great Despisers" to approach Sebastian
  • Sebastian and Atif involved in money laundering
  • Sebastian was asked to commit murder

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What happened when Sebastian Burns and Atif Rafay left the U.S. for Canada and became entangled in an elaborate “Mr. Big” sting operation? 48 Hours correspondent Peter Van Sant explains how their undercover confessions led to their eventual murder convictions.   

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