THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 53 — Jack Posobiec Ousted Josh Shapiro? Walz Stolen Valor?
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We have Blake here. Howdy. We have Tyler with his Arizona Diamondbacks. How are the Diamondbacks doing this year? Is it D-backs or Diamondbacks? We say D-backs here, and they were playing a doubleheader today. They'll always be the Diamondbacks to me. Are they keeping the momentum from last year's loss? They've had a ton of injuries this year, but they've played pretty well considering the injuries. 62-52, I think that's...

Good enough for a wild card. Did they win today? Did they win the first game today? Are they in the NL West? I'm not sure. Let's see. Ooh, they're on an 8-2 run. Wow, these guys are kicking butt. As long as you get hot. You can beat the Dodgers. Oh, I think they beat, and we got the Brewers coming up playing the Dodgers next week, actually during their primary. So we're pulling for the Brewers to beat the Dodgers.

That's great. Andrew's not here. He's on vacation, so we can trash the Dodgers. Yeah, Dodgers. Screw the Dodgers. Take them down. It goes down in my book. It's automatically it. Honestly, I feel like people who like the Dodgers should be rounded up. We're not going to go that far. But the Dodgers are the easiest team to cheer for because they're always good. They have the biggest budget. There's no effort. There's no pain. There's nothing. It's like the Yankees. So we're going to call this the Jack Posobiec Appreciation Hour. And...

Last week. No, no, this is... I don't think I've ever... Slow clap. ...appreciated Jack before. No. I understand. No, I've never actually... I don't think I've ever, like, stroked Jack's ego. No.

uh like i've never done like that whole thing because i just don't do that uh but it's pretty amazing so jack i'll talk and then you can listen and then you could tell the story i can say confidently i believe i think josh shapiro would be the vice presidential nominee if it wasn't for jack the so big and that that is i mean honestly

This is not bluster. This is not Charlie trying to score points. I have nothing to benefit from here except I call balls and strikes. And I was... Jack's going to get a kick out of this. I started... I said, it's Thursday night and Jack just started going on these quasi-autistic rants against Shapiro. I mean, it was... It was every four minutes on my telegram. It was like...

I have receipts, Josh. You're not going to like this, Josh. And I was like, here we go. And I gave it like 99 to 1 odds that Jack... Whoa, whoa, whoa. And did I produce? I started with the goods, okay? I started with saying that I'm appreciating your results here. And then all of a sudden...

On Friday afternoon, I was like, man, he's getting some traction on this stuff. And Jack is talking about the fact that he might be in an IDF uniform and all these left-wing forums are exploding and the betting markets had Shapiro at 80%, then it was like 70%, then it was 60%. And next thing I know, all of a sudden there's these stories being leaked on Sunday about Walls maybe being the guy that

I was like, did Jack Posobiec just dethrone a 5'3 sitting governor of Pennsylvania? The craziest one for me was when I saw the story start going like, oh, this suicide ruling from a decade ago. I'm like, oh, this has to be something really stupid. And then I bring up this Philadelphia Inquirer article. I'm like...

Whoa, they lost the psychologist report on this? What? No, and I was like, okay, where are we at on this? Because, I mean, Jack's from Pennsylvania, so it's very – I thought this was just kind of like a personal vendetta. Jack trying to, like, prime the pump. And I don't think – It is definitely a personal vendetta. That part is also 100%. No, no, I mean, of course. But, I mean, Jack, we'll let you kind of tell the story, but I think we all should just do kind of the master's golf clap here. Slow clap. It was –

The Josh Shapiro political career was damaged significantly. It just wasn't tall enough. Yeah. You have to be this tall. He couldn't overcome it. He couldn't overcome it. That's right. He didn't meet the minimum. Jack, tell us the story of what happened because this was a 48-hour tsunami of Josh Shapiro, which was like unquestionably the pick, canceling Hampton's fundraisers. All my sources were saying this.

wealthy Jewish donors that I know. We're talking to wealthy liberal donors, and we're like, it's done. Josh Shapiro is basically telling people you can get good tickets at the Philly announcement. You have the Philly mayor. They made the video. By the way, get the video. Can you get the video? Let's get the video. Ryan, get the video. So, Jack, tell us a little bit about this, and then I want to play this video. What happened from Thursday night to Tuesday morning? Walk us through the Jack Posobiec masterclass of dark arts.

Yeah, so, I mean, basically, look, I'll put it this way. You know, I was well-seated for this because, you know, Josh Shapiro and I go way back. I first met Josh Shapiro all the way back in 2008 when he was a state rep and he was basically a local surrogate for Obama and he was appearing at this event.

I think it was some debate in Montgomery County. And that's where I'm from. That's where he's from, right outside Philadelphia. And I could tell... I mean, he's very good on the mic. He's very good at debates. He lies with each...

ease, right? You know, slippery like a nail, these types. And people have seen that over the last couple of, I think, days and weeks, culminating in this really cringy speech he gave last night after being passed over, even though he's used to being passed over. Lots of things pass over him. Baseballs when you play middle, you know, basketball shots, you know, they're all they're all just passing over Josh Shapiro.

And it's not hard because I can understand how you can miss him down there. But the, you know, the real thing is, though, I had so many people reaching out to me from the Philadelphia area. So many people bringing up, especially this case of Ellen Greenberg, which, you know, it had it had been out there before. And I think I had mentioned it on Twitter before a couple of times in 2022 when he was running for governor and I was going up to Pennsylvania campaigning against him and really just

calling out who he was and what he was about. But the Pennsylvania Supreme Court then, I guess, for whatever reason, decided to pick up the case and put it under review for the first time since this happened in 2011, by the way, when this poor girl was killed.

And he wasn't involved in the case initially. His involvement as attorney general comes up way later in about 2021, so almost a decade later when it gets passed to him. By the way, it's a crazy way that it gets involved because he gets the case because the family's lawyer, the lawyer of the family of the girl,

This will make sense in a second. Goes on to run for D.A. of Philadelphia. And then his name is Larry Krasner and he's the Soros D.A. of Philadelphia. So he has a conflict of interest and can't touch the case. So in 2017, he passes it over to the attorney general's office. That's Josh Shapiro. And Josh Shapiro's office pretends to sit on it for all these years and there's no traction. And then suddenly the Pennsylvania Supreme Court says, you know what?

There's just too much going on. We can talk a little bit about the case later if you guys want, but like Blake was saying a second ago, it's just a very strange case to have been ruled suicide the way it was, stabbed 20 times,

I think it was nine in the front and 11 in the back. So just not the type of case that you would see easily ruled a suicide. And yet it hadn't gotten any traction until just last week. So we're putting that information out there. We're walking through time and time again on this thing. And then we're also putting out information about the sexual harassment case that he covered up when he was in office. And what's crazy is, so the guy who was...

They keep saying it's the aide. It's the aide. No, it was his secretary of legislative affairs. So basically like his senior, almost a cabinet level official, that guy was the former Republican state rep who was one district away from me in Montgomery County. So these are guys who, the same way you guys and Tyler specifically are so tied in in Arizona, that's how tied I am in Pennsylvania. So I know all these guys. I used to see this guy's name is Mike Verbe.

And I used to see him just being like blitz drunk, walking around Walmart at like four in the afternoon, former police officer. And he was a Republican who then went and cut a deal with the Democrats and with Josh Shapiro, basically turned over MCRCs, the Montgomery County Republican Committee, control of it to Josh Shapiro. And this is what a lot of Republicans in Pennsylvania did to help Shapiro become governor. And, you know, people can go back and see what happened in 2022 in terms of that. He

He goes on and is sexually harassing this, I'm going to be very careful about this because her name's not public and I don't want to make it public, but this female staffer, another female staffer in the office for months there in Harrisburg. And Shapiro claimed, oh, I didn't know about this. I had no idea that he was being investigated. No idea she had filed a complaint. And I've got more people from Harrisburg texting me saying,

He was notified almost immediately of this. He was briefed. Of course he would be briefed, by the way. He's the governor. This is happening right in his office with his senior staff. But basically he sat on that too. Why? Because he's all about creating this perfect balance

picture, the perfect Josh Shapiro. Josh Shapiro, who is the heir apparent in all of politics, Josh Shapiro, who has studied Obama's voice and mannerisms down to the exact letter to be able to directly mimic him in such a way that if you closed your eyes, you might actually think it's Obama up on stage, even though Obama's voice doesn't crack the way Josh Shapiro's does.

And again, so I'm just getting all of this information from a lifetime in Pennsylvania politics and putting it out and just putting it all out there. And by the way, I've got so, so, so much more, but it's also, by the way,

You notice I didn't attack his record. I didn't bring up anything about, you know, what he had done as governor or anything like that because I was deliberately making sure to focus on things that I knew would gain traction with the left, with Team Kamala, with their decision-making loop, with the things that their side would care about. And then, Charlie, you referenced this, of course, but his...

his time volunteering with the IDF also by the way a brief stint working in the Israeli embassy something that I didn't even bring up but it got recently added to his Wikipedia all of that hitting the Democrat party as they're looking at going to Chicago what in two weeks time here um

It just turned into a situation that I think they were terrified of. And they said, look, you know, on paper, this guy seems like he makes sense. He's from a must win state. He's got this ability to appeal to crossover voters the way that Tim Walz claims to, but actually doesn't, by the way, that Shapiro did actually pick up a lot of working class voters in Pennsylvania and in western Pennsylvania who typically go for Trump. And so they were these kind of like Trump Shapiro voters that were out there because these people vote with their wallets, not ideology.

And look, I just made sure to get into their cycle and get into their headspace to the point where they were so terrified of the skeletons. Legitimate. It was amazing. So I just want to interject. Number one, let's not fool ourselves. Shapiro would have been the smarter pick here.

Every single probability model shows that if Trump doesn't carry Pennsylvania, his odds are sub 50%. He has to then basically win Wisconsin, Arizona, and Georgia, which is what we've been focused on. But that's a tougher path. It just is. And so this opens up Pennsylvania, number one. Number two, Josh Shapiro is a legit political talent. He just is. He's good. I was watching that speech. If he's doing fraud, it means he's good at projecting a good image. Well, I'm just saying he's got a good talent in a social media TikTok era. This guy would have been as hot of a pistol. He actually might have been a little bit...

than come a lot better than come. Oh, but I calculably, I think that this, I thought this, let's play this tape here. This cake was baked. In my opinion, I think it was ready. Everything was prepped and Jack kind of was the straw that broke the camel's back. Like, no, no, no, no. All you Arabs in the Democrat party, you Hamas swing. Are you okay with this? And it kind of created a summer. It was like a, it was a weekend of Jihad. It really was. It was,

It was a... It was a Jack Jihad. It was a Jack Jihad. Jack Jihad.

this this video by the way I saw this video and I said I remember I was in Dallas last week when I saw it I've turned on my phone I said this is gonna be tough to beat this vibe this energy it's well produced it's well edited right Tyler it would know is it was it was the best ad I've ever seen it was goodness it was really good this is warfare and I was like they're gonna go with this guy and it's gonna be really hard and it's the media will just carry this guy and they won't talk and I say oh my gosh you're

They'll make his name bigger on posters. Of course they will. And he'll raise so much. I mean, he will raise so much money. This is 97. This was what was supposed to be. But we are unburdened by what has been. Play cut 97. Philadelphia, we got work to do.

I'm Mayor Sherelle Parker, here with leaders from across our region. Kamala Harris is on the road to victory. And the road goes to Pennsylvania. And in Pennsylvania, we're united behind her. The woman that's tough and can lead. Are we ready to fight for it? She is the right person at the right time for this job. It's going to do right by labor. It's going to do right by working people. Governor Johnson.

His policies have not only supported the working class, but have set standards for progressive leadership that benefits all citizens. Build up your building, Tracy. IBEW for Kamala Harris. Montgomery County. Bucks. Bucks County. Delco. Chester. North, East, South Philly. North Philly. For Kamala Harris.

We're getting behind Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris. Kamala Harris for president. And Josh Shapiro. Josh Shapiro. Josh Shapiro for vice president. Now we need you. Let us and Kamala Harris know you stand with her. Together we can do this. We are one city. One region. One. A few things. One.

There's very little Kamala Harris in that video. She has one line, and it's not delivered very well. Yes. Like, we are ready to do the... Very strange. And then, also, did they either, like...

Edit. Did they dub an actual speech or did they fake a whole rally? They took a previous unrelated labor rally and reconfigured it into a Josh Shapiro VP announcement. Whoa, it was very weird. So just was it was what the way they had set it up was it was supposed to be a Kamala Harris speech.

you know, just like you say, this labor rally. And then when Josh Shapiro's name was being floated around, they said, OK, you know, like you said, they turned it into a shadow Josh Shapiro for vice president rally. Then they cut the promo to make it look as if he had already been chosen. And there was this there was this statement put out by the Philadelphia mayor's office, by Sherelle Parker's office, saying that, oh, it was it was posted by accident. No, it wasn't posted by accident. It was

posted because people in Shapiro's office and people in the Philadelphia machine were starting. And by the way, that's Bob Brady up there. That's the guy who's run the Philadelphia Democrat machine for an entire generation. That one old white guy that you see standing up in those clips, that's Bob Brady. Like if you want to know where the ballots in Philly are coming from, just go check Bob's house.

that this was a complete operation because they wanted to make it look like Shapiro was already the shoe. And keep in mind that when Shapiro was at Cheney University being asked about this, being asked about J.D. Vance, he makes some comments along the lines of like, I'll be happy to say that to J.D.'s face. I'll be happy to tell that to J.D.'s face as if he's going to be seeing him very soon.

And so this was ready to go. And then something happened this weekend, this last weekend, Jack, where they blinked, they second-guessed, and they decided to go to Bernie Sanders' The Beer Belly, Stolen Valor, you

You know, I like the smell of burnt tires in the morning, Marxist, driver's license for illegals, tampons for boys. I mean, Jack, explain to me how Josh Shapiro was somehow a more controversial pick than the most unimpressive person in American politics that I've ever seen, Tim Walz.

Well, so the way to look at it this way is it's the most he's more controversial for their side. Right. So he's more controversial because he would have driven a wedge between the Democrats and their base. The same wedge, by the way, you're seeing come out right now with the Cori Bush race last night. The fact that she lost in a very close. I think it was the fifth most sped up.

spent on primary in like all of American politics or something. So there's this huge intranessine party fight that's going on on the Democrat side right now. That's something that, and I kept hearing all throughout that Barack Obama says, just avoid Shapiro, go pick Tim walls. He's good with media, uh, Midwest labor. He's good with, um,

He's been an Obama guy for years and years. He was back to the Obamacare days and all of this. So just stick with him. It's easy money, won't rock the boat very much. And this Josh guy, you gotta watch out for him. And then even John Fetterman, by the way, this was huge. So the Fetterman-Shapiro shade war happened

has been brewing for a long time, goes back to years together. Think about it. John Fetterman is the one Pennsylvania high-level Democrat that you don't see in that hype video out of Philadelphia. John Fetterman, obviously the most high-profile Democrat in the entire state of Pennsylvania. But why isn't he there? Because he hates Josh Shapiro. He can't stand him. And he literally wouldn't stand for him if you go look at CNN's got a video

I think it was MJ Lee that posted it from the speech yesterday when Shapiro walked out

You go look at everybody, you know, everyone around is standing, but not John Fetterman. John Fetterman is sitting there. He's got his arms crossed. He's got his hoodie on. He kind of looks away as Shapiro takes the stage. You think that's happening by accident? No, it's not happening by accident. That's happening because, and he had warned Kamala Harris over the weekend, basically put in through his aides this message that Josh Shapiro is overly ambitious and Josh Shapiro is not someone who can be trusted.

trusted. And look at it this way. Kamala Harris just worked with Obama's to coup a sitting president to knock him out of the race. Now, does she really want to put someone in there that's going to have her looking over her back the entire time? No, you don't want to put your vice presidential picks are supposed to be someone that doesn't hurt you rather than someone who helps you that much.

So that's what they start looking at all of these things and they say, all right, you know, maybe Tim Walls is better. Maybe we need to go for this. They thought he was the safer pick as opposed to Shapiro being the quote unquote controversial pick because we were able to make him look so based on what you're saying is these these 48 hours of just 48 hours of work. So so the Blake, I want objectively.

Did we dodge two bullets in Pennsylvania? One in Butler, the second with Josh Shapiro? I want you to look... Don't give me the Blake objective take. What I'll say is, before we got the announcement Sunday night, we were like, okay, let's make tweets to be ready for this so we can come out of the gate charging. And so, just, you know, full disclosure, we wrote tweets for Walls and we wrote tweets for Shapiro. And...

I was trying to work up the ones for Shapiro, and what struck me was, one, it's harder to write these than it is for walls. With walls, it's like, okay, we have the riots to work with. We have the stolen valor thing to work with. I didn't even know about the DUI yet at the time. We've got... It just felt like we had tons of stuff to work with for walls. And with Shapiro, okay, we had...

We have the stuff we've mentioned, but it was very much where essentially if we get this guy, we're just going to have to hope the left freaks out about him. And maybe they will, but the left is pretty good at coming together and getting over it. Yeah, exactly. And when they need to, when they need it to happen. And I don't like to go into a race where like, we basically don't have agency anymore. We just have to hope the left screws it up. I totally agree. And so with walls, I was like, okay,

All these things that are things that we can exploit to hurt him to win over middle of the road voters with Shapiro. We're just going to have to hope the left gets mad votes for someone else. Doesn't turn out that they start a civil war and we don't have much ability to affect it. Cause even if we want to see it happen, we're not, we're not going to go out there and like say like, Oh, Shapiro sucks. Cause he like supports Israel more than Hamas. Cause we support Israel more than Hamas. And, um,

So I had gone back and forth like, oh, do we want to get Shapiro out? Like, oh, this could be good stuff to hit him on. But I found myself Sunday night thinking, man, I hope they go with Walls because it's so much easier to attack this guy. Well, I totally agree. And we talked about it here. Remember we talked about...

The idea, and it was kind of interesting because I kind of had that thought when we got sent some insider information on Waltz because some of the Minnesotans had sent it and said, hey, they hate him. And there was like a real opportunity to knock him out last time he ran for governor. And the candidate just wasn't strong enough, wasn't funded well enough. Good dude, but just didn't have enough to get over the top. But when they said, no, this is a real possibility. Everybody's talking about it on the ground here.

it kind of made a lot of sense because it was almost too much for the left to not do because they love that style of like radical, which is like that very Liz type, you know, you know, upper middle class college educated. That's like, that's the whole,

vector that the left is taking is just try to take as many of those votes off the table in suburbia way. And that's kind of the, that's kind of the MO of, of Minnesota, uh,

It does make a ton of sense when you look at that if they're going to go all in on Pennsylvania and then try to utilize someone like him to pick off votes in Wisconsin. And that's their strategy at this point. Yeah, it's win by more, lose by less. So run up the score in the black urban areas and then lose by less in rural areas. But there's no evidence that Tim Walz actually loses by less in MAGA areas. In fact, the numbers aren't there. It's a mythology that...

He's kind of this like blue state. But they think, but they think that. Well, you know who thinks that? People that cast for Yellowstone. Yeah.

Right, Jack? People think that because he looks a certain way. This has been something that, and I know for a fact that we have talked about this on Thought Rhyme. Many times, Jack. Yellowstoning and Hick Libs and all of this stuff. He's a perfect example of this. It is this operation that is being run to take conservative aesthetics and

run liberal ideals through them. By the way, Charlie, you were, you know, since you were putting me over so much earlier, Charlie was one of the first people to to call this out when the who is the who is the guy? Rich men of Richmond. Oh, yeah. Oliver Anthony. I was very early. Charlie was like, oh, this guy's this guy's an op. This guy's a hit club.

And some of us were like, ah, but the song is good. You know, some of us being me, of course, we're like, no, we like the song. But Charlie was like, no. But also, Charlie had a little bit of an ace in the obviously there, just the guy didn't Pennsylvania because Charlie doesn't like country music at all. I inherently thought it was like, no, it's not music. I was like, I can't stand this guy. Hmm.

guy yeah but but that's a perfect example of it this idea that you're going to take someone who's got the aesthetics of you know what you would you would you would traditionally think of as like the george w bush type like you know country midwestern wears a cowboy hat listens to country music uh has got a pair of cowboy boots you know drinks beer that type of thing and you

probably owns a couple of guns definitely owns a shotgun and yet all of a sudden is like was like yeah man and and that's why we need tampons for all the boys on this ranch and that's like and so this is where the yellowstone meme came from which which by the way i also credit for driving um kevin costner totally out of the show because we memed him so hard that he refused to even come back for yellowstone after we made the meme and um

you know, it's just been this thing that's going on. We talked about it a number of times and Tim Walls is like the political weaponization of the Hicklip trend that's been going on for so long. But the problem is that the people of Minnesota can see through it. And if you look at his voting patterns and his

Some people were posting, I think Tom Bevins at RCP was posting the last, the county by county election from his last gubernatorial, which I guess was 2022. And it's like, no, he won with metro city areas and like the metro Burbanites and the rural areas all voted Republican. So it's just not expressed in the data. It's just basically we've proposed up at humanevents.com a new op-ed from the editorial board.

saying, no, he's not a folksy Midwestern dad. He's what a woke San Francisco liberal thinks a folksy Midwestern dad looks and talks like just because he sounds like he's from Fargo.

Yeah. Blake. Well, I just I think I want to quote it because it's a really good part of the book. Right wing revolution. One of the early chapters. It's basically like, you know, the book is saying how to not fall for what the left does. And one of the analogies you use is you compare it all to drag shows. Like what is what is a drag show? It's a man dressing up as a woman pretending to be a woman. I'm a woman. Look at me. And when you think about it, it's what the left does with so many people.

And so, you know, they'll try it out. This is this is a general with the U.S. military. And he's telling you that, you know, we need to care about white rage and we need to do all these things. And you like the military, right? You like all those rah-rah patriot stuff or they'll bring out, you know, a pro athlete. This guy's in the NFL. He throws the football.

You like football. It's similar to skin suiting. Yeah, skin suiting. And so they're doing the same thing. It is skin suiting. It's like this is what Governor Waltz is. They'll be like, Governor Waltz, you think you're going to attack this guy? Look at him. He's wearing orange. He shot a bird with a shotgun. You like hunting, don't you? He's got a camo hat. Yeah. He's got a camo hat. He's wearing camouflage. You can't defeat this. That means you're okay with all of those other things he does. He wants to cut the little kid's pee-pees off. What? No. And...

And what's sad is for a long time, this did work. And for decades, really, it would work. They honed this whole art of get this. Yeah, this like Hick Lib out of Minnesota where you can use this coded thing of like, oh, he he owns guns and he wears camo and he knows like what a shotgun formation is. And so he can be this insane, you know, Marxist who believes all the latest gender ideology. Right.

But I think people are starting to figure this out now. And I'm hoping we can prove they figured it out with how they'll react to Tampon Tim.

Jack. And there's also, you know, I was just going to say, so a lot of people were going after him, you know, early on for, and Tampon Tim Salieri is, by the way, I think it's so funny. And it was so good. And Hillary Clinton even shared the Tampon Tim meme. It's like, these people, they're just so dumb. They're used to, you know, having the levers of power, but they're not actually smart. So, you know, you can trick them into sharing your own memes. Like, I remember she used to, she was reading Breitbart articles at one point in this, you

in this insane speech that she gave in 2016. And she's like sharing our memes. Like, why would you be so dumb as to amplify opposition propaganda against your own candidate? But okay. So, you know, thanks, Hillary Clinton. You know, the really big one, though, I think for Tim Walz isn't necessarily his wokeness. It's the end, the one that's getting the most traction, even to the point where CNN had to address it and is trying to dispel it as so much

is I think within probably within 30 minutes of his of the announcement that he was that he was definitely going to be the pick that and by the way, you know, I could even go further. People saying like, oh, Josh Shapiro didn't really want it. And he was telling people he was sitting there all night. He was in the drive. He was in the driveway playing basketball with his son, you know, playing up for the cameras, sitting by the phone, sitting by the phone.

it never rang. It never rang once. But probably within 30 minutes of the announcement, I posted a tweet from this letter I found from a couple of Command Sergeant Majors from Tim Walz's National Guard unit in Minnesota saying that this guy is stolen valor because he shirked the deployment, he deserted before deployment,

and has been running around embellishing his record, claiming that he served in combat, claiming that he fought in the war on terror, claiming that he carried weapons of war. And it's just a lot. So not only is it a lie that he didn't serve, right? So that's number one, excuse me, serve in combat. He did serve, he certainly served.

And it but it's definitely a lie that he served in combat. But even more to the point, it's it's 10 times more egregious because he deserted his unit just as they were on the eve of deploying and deployment, by the way, where they lost a 19 year old soldier to an IED. And this guy was the senior NCO. So he would have been the command sergeant major.

He then didn't even complete his E9 school, so his command sergeant major school, which means that he didn't even retire with his final rank. So he's been running around using this rank claim. And even like Alyssa Farah is saying, oh, he's the highest ranking enlisted man to ever serve in Congress. But it's not actually true because he didn't retire with that rank. It's it's.

Kind of complicated, but the way to explain it is that sometimes in the military or a lot of times in the military, in the Navy, we call it frocking. It's you get selected for your next rank. And so you kind of get to pin it on, but you don't on your uniform, but you don't necessarily get to actually serve in that rank until you complete whatever the requisite requirement

Sometimes there's coursework, sometimes there's other things you have to do to sign offs, et cetera, et cetera, before you get to actually fully attain that

And because he didn't do that, he didn't follow the rules. He left before his unit deployed to Iraq where a soldier died. He was retired at the lower rank of E8, which, you know, is still a great rank and all, but it's not the one that he was claiming. And so he lied. And I found this letter, a paid letter to like the Central Western Tribune back in 2018 of two people just saying, of two retirees.

retired Command Sergeant Major saying, hey, this guy's been lying about his record. And now J.D. Vance is getting in on it. And I think that's going to become a huge problem for them because it directly goes to what Blake has been talking about. It directly attacks him on those same grounds of like, I'm one of the people. I'm a regular Midwestern guy when you're not. So let's now examine this from a political standpoint. Tyler, why did they pass over the obviously more impressive astronaut?

who is the senator from Arizona, by all objective measurements, is more popular, more well-known than Tim Walz, would have made a much better story. He could have been like, my wife got shot, gun violence, all that nonsense that they push. Why did they go with Tim Walz? By the way, you could say what you want about Mark Kelly. Mark Kelly is...

Purchased by the CCP, has a very questionable personal life, but he doesn't have this crazy stuff like tampons in boys' bathrooms and late-term abortion. I mean, it would have been a much narrower attack vector if they would have went Harris-Kelly. And by the way, Harris-Kelly sounds better than Harris-Walls. Yeah, Kamala-Kelly sounds really, you know, Kamala-Kelly. Why did they pass over the Arizona astronaut? There's a couple, there's like four different reasons. I don't know if we'll get to all of them right now, but...

I mean, you're making a really good point. The scary part about Mark Kelly is that he basically has no record at all. So he's never served...

In any kind of capacity before getting elected to the Senate, he's done basically nothing in the Senate. In fact, the guy hides from everybody. He's rarely here. He lives in Houston. So he's not he's not even from here. Right. The only reason why he claims Arizona is because his wife, too. I think he really talks to live here for a couple of years when he was training for the Air Force in Tucson or some point. But yeah, I mean, but his wife's from Tucson. That's where she got shot.

That was a horrible incident that occurred. But after they got married, they would go back and forth. But he spent most of his time in Houston. That's where his kids were. That's where everything else. We launched rockets. We've known that. That's where he's from. So he's not an Arizonan by any qualification. He's hardly spent any time here. He's probably spent more time, I would guess, in almost every other state. Yeah, in orbit, for sure. He spent more time in orbit than he has in Arizona. Yeah.

But I mean, that's kind of impressive, though. I mean, no, but that's why he's perfect. His biography is. That's why he's perfect. Extraterrestrial. That's why he's perfect is because he's like he's like anything you want to make him into. And that's what they love. The Democrat Party loves. Tim Walz is not.

So there's a couple different reasons why I'll get into one of them that I think is the most important. I think the most important issue for Mark Kelly that you just cannot ignore is I think they are so legitimately concerned about Arizona in the long term that any kind of qualification of –

you know, removing somebody that is the future for them. I think they're afraid we're getting wise to this state. Well, number one, they don't want to pull out a talent because they have no one to legitimately replace them with. So if they win, right, and this is how they think. I don't think they're going to win. But if they won, they think, well, then we're totally screwed now because we have no one to replace Mark Kelly with. And a...

Doug Ducey could run potentially. In a swing state type atmosphere. Number two, and I think it's more important. Can they do that? Can they just do that at convention? Well, hold on. I'm going to get to that in a second, Jack. Because I think, yes, but one second. I don't think we're out of the woods yet. Well, we're not. Yeah, we're not. Because this stolen valor thing is heating up. Yeah. Maybe we should just chill a little bit for next week. Well, no, I mean, I think we should be open about it. But just be very clear that a replacement of Wallace would be

Nobody cares in America. Maybe he would cover it up and they'd be like, oh, sorry, he's a buffoon. We messed up. Now here's Mark Kelly. America is so bull. But let me be very clear. You pick Mark Kelly. He has suspicious CCP balloon ties. And he also is not a loyally married, allegedly, to...

There's a let's just say there's a lot of skeletons in the closet. Right. And so a lot of skeletons in the what do you call the storage bay and within a within a rocket ship? There's a lot of skeletons in there. So that's the second one. The third point is, is that legitimately all the numbers and all the trends and everything looking in Arizona right now do not look good for the Democrats. So I'll just point out one thing. Michigan versus Arizona in the primary.

early balloting, the Democrats were up basically 20% on the Republicans. Here in the primary, the Republican Party is basically up 20%. And that's with a bunch of our boomers in Midwestern states. Not here. The state loses like 15% of its population. 20%, right? Yeah, at least. We've become 20% less populated in three months of the year. And that's just from... Makes sense, having...

Having lived here two summers now, I understand where they're all going. Yeah, and they go back to Iowa or they go back to Chicago or they go back to Minneapolis. And younger families leave the state for going out of town. So you're out of town for three to four weeks in the summertime, different places.

So there's a lot of people missing. There's a lot of uncertainty for the Democrats. They're looking at the operation of things that we're doing and others are coming in and going, wait a minute. You know, the Republicans in Arizona have kind of figured some stuff out. You know, there's less of it being figured out in other places.

And they have dumped more money into Pennsylvania and Wisconsin than almost anywhere. They have to win Michigan, so they have a grassroots army that's there in Michigan. So this is a full blue wall strategy. They have to defend the Rust Belt, and that's what they're doing. So let's just play this out, though. Trending on Twitter, over 306,000. I'm telling you, this Stolen Valor thing is heating up, and I don't think it's going to slow down anytime soon.

Because it's so bad. And would you agree, Blake? What's so bad about it is it's not even just a case. We've had a lot of cases of people who play up their military service. Like, was it Blumenthal who said that? Da Nang, Dick Blumenthal. Da Nang, Dick Blumenthal. There's a lot of guys where it's like they served, but they implied they were in a war zone when they weren't. No, he was really bad. His was pretty bad. He was worse than John Kerry. Da Nang, Dick literally was like, I went to Vietnam. I don't think he did at all. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was during the Vietnam era.

It was the worst example of stolen valor. What I'd say makes this actually very bad is it's not merely a case of him playing up. We have that, which does make this worse. This one jeopardized people's lives. He implied that he was like serving in a more like he was in a war zone when he wasn't. That's bad. But I think I could get through that. What is bad is a completely objective narration of what he did do in

makes him look like he's a very bad character. Like, here's a summary a friend of mine wrote up for me where he's like, Waltz's fellow, like the people who have spoken up from his old unit have been very clear and consistent about what happened. First, their brigade is made aware of a coming Iraq deployment sometime early in 2005 they learn of this.

Mm-hmm. And he doesn't even show up to sign the relevant paperwork for it. He just bolts. Yeah.

And right before his unit goes to Iraq. And you know what? You could even be frank. I wouldn't have wanted to go to Iraq probably. It doesn't seem like it was a very fun time. But...

He was in a position of leadership over other people. And he cut and ran. And then he played up his veteran status after doing so. And then he lied about that situation. And then lied about what he did egregiously. And CNN is admitting this is the case. I think you're going to get more veterans. I bet they'll find more people. This is a big unit. They'll get more people who will come out, and they will be very aggrieved by this. He is not the Democrat vice presidential nominee yet. I want to be very clear. Correct.

Kamala Harris went through a virtual roll call. Tim Walz did not. This is a suggestion. All that is is a bunch of rally signs with his name on it. This could be switched out in a moment.

Do not, I'm not saying it's probable. I'm not even saying it is likely. Is it good if it happens? No. Do we want him to stay in? We kind of want him to stay in because the media is a freaking Soviet brainwashing operation right now. Where it's like Trump gets shot and three days later they're saying Trump's a coward. Like nothing has staying power. Donald Trump has faced more enemy fire than Walls ever did. Of course. That's exactly right.

And Trump has been shot. Trump's been shot. Tim Walz never took a bullet for this country. You know who did? Donald Trump. Not even that. Tim Walz has never been in a firefight. Donald Trump has. So I am of the opinion that a switch is bad because this was – I think they go Kelly after this because Shapiro is dead because he's a Jew and they hate Jews. Yeah, but can I point something out?

Part of the reason why Kelly and Shapiro may not be here, and I know the room... Or maybe Bashir is the backup. Maybe Bashir, yeah. But I think the general consensus around the room is that Shapiro wanted it really bad and he got knocked out. He's too ambitious. But Kelly, I think, actually stepped away from it and was like, I actually think that... I think he's afraid of his skeletons. Well, that and also, like, why would you want to go down with Kamala? But there's no... I don't know. If you're...

Your career's over. But there's a 50-50 shot she wins. Let's just be honest. In a swing state, though, if you lose...

yeah but you're with her tied to her you're gonna be tied to her for the rest of your life i know but you have a it's like this sarah palin or the tim kaine phenomenon yeah no one ever talks about no one wants to talk to you so so i i don't want i think it's very unlikely they pulled tim walls however they're in desperation mode where they're like hey we just pulled biden why don't we pull this buffoon like there's no name id i'm not even saying it's likely but if we say that it's zero percent i think that's a huge

This has not been a good rollout for him. I guess what I'm saying is... By the way, we have all these up here. They say they're like military service of walls put in question. This is a thing. We're 24 hours into his announcement, Blake.

And this is becoming a narrative. I like how it's the things you're flagging. And then also NBC has a random thing about the pyramids. The amount of stupid news that NBC has on every day is unbelievable. It really tells you everything you need to know. I'm going to have to look that one up. They just ran a whole piece on me on MSNBC. That's how bad it is. They think that the pyramids were like built underwater. It's like this whole thing that they used water to build. You didn't see this? Whoa. Whoa.

like a hydraulic press? Yeah, exactly. They just discovered something recently. I did hear about this. That'd be wild if it was the case. That's a bit off topic, but the pyramids are cool, man. This is thought crime. I will just say, anyone who hasn't been, the pyramids are easily the most impressive thing I've ever seen in my life. I've heard, though...

Cairo is not so nice though, is it? No, Cairo's awful. Egypt is crappy. Egyptians are all trying to scam you. I'm sure. Bye-bye, Tyler. We appreciate you. He has to go chase ballots. But if you fly to Cairo instead, we'll understand. That's where Andrew is. I've been to Morocco and it was terrible. Morocco was so bad.

But I mean, here's what I understand. Everywhere that's not America is like not great. I mean, there's like a couple other countries that I mean, Switzerland's really rich and nice. Dubai. The sad thing is there's a few places that are just nicer than America now. Singapore. No, no. I'm saying, though, but we're so used to it. Cairo is a slum. Am I wrong to say that? Cairo is it is a rough town. It is. I'll say when I'm in Egypt, I had I had the feeling like this country will eventually have a revolution and like.

Half the country will die. Don't they have a revolution like every five years there? Yeah, they had one in 2011, which made the tourism a lot cheaper, I will say. Literally. Because the Muslim Brotherhood was in charge. So their economy is very weak other than tourism. But they also scare away all the tourists because they're always trying to scam you.

No, it's bad. It's endless. I don't want to get too down this thing. Let's go back. I will say the pyramids are amazing. Yes. But back on topic with walls, if he...

What I'm wondering is, do we wish we can hit him so bad they force him to drop out because then it'll be, oh, Kamala's campaign got really damaged. They had to swap someone out. It's a 40-hour news cycle, Blake. Yeah. I'm being honest. These are new rules. Nothing hits anymore. Yeah. Because the media is so in the back. That's my opinion. They would just push him out. And they'd probably come up with an excuse. Wallace has a medical thing. He had to step aside. They'll come up with some explanation like that.

And then, yeah, slot the new guy in. And the question is, do they go Bashir? Do they go Mark Kelly? But Jack, at the current trajectory right now of how Walls is getting beat up, I say that it would be silly to laugh at the possibility that Walls

cannot get picked is that fair to say so one of my it is been one of the things that i noticed was that so you know so charlie you know vote vets right you know how serious of an operation though man it's like i hope we win in montana for no than no other reason than that honestly

So these guys, I mean, very well funded. And they put up a meme today that was one of the worst leftist memes that I've ever seen. And I should have grabbed it before we went in. But it was something along the lines of like, claim, Tim Walls didn't have the right rank and that he claimed and also shirked the deployment to Iraq. And then the truth that it was just like,

In 2005, it's like just complete, like complete gobbledygook leftist meme, like a paragraph trying to explain its way out of the fact that, you know, he just lied. He just straight up lied.

Yeah, I'm texting with some New York Times reporters and they're like, yeah, we're all talking on our Slack feeds. This is bad when it comes to walls. Really? Yeah. Like they're there. There's kind of like on their Slack feeds. Yeah. Did he say anything more? Is that just that's kind of it. That's like you also meaning like they're kind of looking at this and they're like not commenting yet. And they're like, yeah, I mean, this video I just sent, by the way, is like him being like saying he was a veteran of the Afghanistan war.

Well, so here's what he would do. I can explain this one. This is a real one though, right, Jack? No, it's real. But what he's doing is this. So he's claiming that he served in the – he was playing fast and loose with this. So like for example, when – and like people know that like I don't try to do the whole professional veteran thing and be like, oh, by the way, you know, I served all the time. Like a lot of people do that. I've just –

I'll mention it here and there, but that's kind of it. But I will say that I served at Guantanamo. And I'm like, I served at Guantanamo. That's what I did. I served at Guantanamo. That was probably the most whatever. Other deployments, sure, different parts of the world, but served at Guantanamo. That's like the one that everybody talks about. So

deployment, not in terms of what I did. But that deployment was under what's called Operation Enduring Freedom. And so Operation Enduring Freedom had many different elements to it. It had elements of Guantanamo. So JTF Gitmo was part of Operation Enduring Freedom under DIA, where I served. There were elements in Europe that were in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. There were elements in the Philippines that were considered Operation Enduring Freedom because they were counter-terror. But from

the general public, when you say that phrase, Operation Enduring Freedom, or I served in the war on terror in Operation Enduring Freedom, they think you're talking about Afghanistan because that's where the bulk of Operation Enduring Freedom was. And basically, when he was saying that, oh, I was, you know, I was serving in Afghanistan,

in operation during freedom that he was actually in Italy in like a support, you know, in like a support role, you know, doing some other kind of some other kind of op, which is totally on base. And if last time I checked Italy now, of course, of course, you can make this joke back then. But in 2009, there were not a lot of Afghans in Italy. Now, Blake would would remind us there probably are a few more now. But back at the time, no, that was that was not the case. You were not in danger if you were in Italy.

So he ran around claiming that he was in Operation Enduring Freedom and played fast and loose with the facts because that same operational name was used to cover a lot of different missions. It was not in Afghanistan, and he was more than happy to let people think that he was in Afghanistan.

So, yeah, I was just texting with some other people there. It's not looking good for Walls. And this is just the cherry on top. So is this – are we a little worried that there's more attention on Walls than Harris? Or I think this is just generally good because they're one and the same. I think it's good because Walls is beneath Harris. And he's co-branded. Yeah, they're co-branded. If you're talking about the Veep in a negative way, you're talking about their ticket in a negative way.

I generally think people focus on the potential upsides of VPs, but it's really a lot more downside overall. Like a VP can hurt your campaign more than they can help it, I think. And so if he like blows up and it forces them to talk about it negatively, it really derails the entire, like the game plan of the Harris campaign, which is have no substance. Don't think about it too hard. It's all great. Any, any Nick, any scratch, any, anything that throws that off,

destroys their entire narrative like if walls is a disaster the only way you can salvage it is by hyping up how great harris is and there's a fatal flaw with that problem which is that harris is awful and even in their own hype videos they can only have one sentence from her because people don't like to hear her talk they aren't impressed by what she says she's a bad candidate and i think it's going to be incredibly difficult for them to hold this sort of

fake plastic smile they've put on themselves for three straight months. And I know it's been a tough couple weeks since she came in. The polls got closer. A lot of people who'd left Biden came back. And it might even be tough all the way through the convention because they're going to have positive stuff from that. But I think if we're damaging walls and just forcing them to get Kamala out there to try to strengthen the campaign, we're in a good position. It will be very hard for them to signal strength

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In this picture, Congressman Laws here is holding a sign that says "Enduring Freedom for Veterans for Care." This right here, under current U.S. law, this could get the congressman probably thrown in jail in violation of the 2006 Stolen Valor Act, which says it is a crime, a federal crime,

to portray yourself in writing or verbally as having received an award or decoration authorized by Congress that you didn't receive. Congressman Wallace is clearly claiming in this sign, in this picture with this sign, to be an enduring freedom veteran. He is clearly, nobody disputes the fact that he is not an Afghanistan or enduring freedom veteran. So this represents a fairly serious issue.

Now, I might... Jack maybe can correct me on this, but I don't think just claiming to be on an operation would be a crime. And technically, I think...

he was part of enduring freedom. It's like, he's taking advantage of the connection, but it was in support. It would be like, so what I was trying to say earlier is that I've always said I served at Gitmo. I've never referred to myself as an operation enduring freedom veteran. And even though like technically I am because Gitmo was considered under OEF,

But it just doesn't feel right because everyone knows that OEF is generally referring to Afghanistan and you served in Afghanistan. So, you know, is he technically correct? Yeah, but he didn't. You know, he could have just said I served in NATO, right? You know, what's wrong with saying he's serving NATO? But of course, for political points, he wanted to paint the picture of him serving in Afghanistan. So he's shading the truth. Now, that being said, I believe...

believe that most of the Stolen Valor Acts have more to do with awards rather than specific operations. There's been a bunch of different iterations and the Supreme Court's ruled a bit on this. So I haven't looked at whatever the lowest, the most updated version of it is, but I know that it generally has to do with awards.

Recent Wisconsin poll just dropped, by the way, shows that Trump only down one. And that's a Marquette poll, which is a really good poll. And so that's with all of this comlementum and all that stuff. Tim Walls, that's that's a good that's a good day for sure. For sure. And we've talked about, you know, with Walls and Kamala, I think it shifted the coalitions to be a little bit more like they were in 2016 and 2020, which is good because what did Wisconsin do in both of those elections?

massively overperformed polling. Wisconsin, and this is why we're investing so heavily in Wisconsin in addition to Arizona, and we'll close with this. People say, Charlie, why Wisconsin? Why Wisconsin? It was the closest 2020 state of the blue wall by far.

It is the hardest to pull, hardest to cheat, most decentralized, and the ones that are the most willing to just kind of check out TV ads and just really look at the candidates and shock pollsters time and time again. Pennsylvania is tough. It's just a tough, tough lift. I'm joking now. Yep. In 2020, the RCP, Real Color Politics, average for Wisconsin was plus 6.7. It overformed by six. Yeah. And by the way, 2016 was similar. Yeah.

Similar, yes. Both times. Trump has overperformed by – so here's a question I have, Blake. Have these pollsters adjusted their methodology to adapt to the errors in 2020, 2016? They're always trying to do it. And overall, they were – despite Wisconsin being bad, they were a bit better in 2020. Yeah.

I do think 2024 is just going to be hard because, as we've said, the coalitions are so different. We've never had even like a stint of an election where low propensity voters leaned more Republican. That's such a new reality. Only Trump has factored that in. Exactly. And so I think they'll try. I think they might fail at it. I don't.

I'm a skeptic that they're ever engineering these polls just to do a specific thing. They want to be accurate. I'm not saying that, but I'm saying that have they learned from their polling misses in years past, and this time they've changed their formula? They've definitely adjusted them, whether they've done it successfully. We really won't know because what's crazy with this is we get a million polls and we get one election day in November. Well, election month in October. I suppose, in addition, the...

Sampling seems to be heavily democratically recently in some of these. It is, but this is the thing they'll point out every time. And you can't go too far with that because, well, if a candidate is doing better in the election, more people are going to say, yes, I am a Democrat who supports this person. So.

You'll see this. They would do this a lot in 2012. They would say like, oh, they're oversampling Democrats relative to what they're supposed to be. But they weren't. It's just that there were more people saying they were Democrats because Obama was winning the election. No, for sure. I just think that with Trump's turnout ability, it's hard to sample that. For sure. For sure. OK, Jack, this show is in honor of you. So congrats. But I don't think we're out of the woods yet, Jack. So keep that very special picture you have of Josh Shapiro handy.

Don't worry, folks. Just in case. Don't worry. I've got more than enough on Josh Shapiro, on Tim Walls, on Mark Kelly, and anybody else who wants to step up and make the very foolish decision of being next to Kamala Harris. And it's like...

It's like, oh, I'm so sorry. I was supposed to be like off enjoying the fact that I got this New York Times bestseller in the same week. And of course, all the people are from on the book side are like, Jack, we need you for this interview. We're doing a book tour down in Texas or this big event. Like, no, guys, I'm busy. What do you what do you mean? I'm destroying Josh Pura. I'm very busy right now. I'll be back to you in a couple of days. But fine. Don't worry about it. We got receipts on all of them.

I want to just play cut 99 really quick. This is Tim Walls on C-SPAN. Play cut 99. Draft. What's your background, and how did somebody from Nebraska end up in Minnesota? Yeah, well, my wife's from Minnesota, so she took me there. Actually, it was based on the educational system in Minnesota was one that we kind of aspired to teach in, so I ended up in southern Minnesota. My wife's been there.

there for many generations. And your military background? I spent 24 years in the National Guard, some of that full time. I was an artilleryman. I deployed in support of Operation Enduring Freedom. My battalion provided base security throughout the European theater from Turkey to England in the early stages of the war in Afghanistan. And that same battalion is now in Iraq at this time. Well, it's very carefully worded there.

All right, guys, we got to run. Thanks so much. Keep on committing thought crimes. We'll see if Tim Wall survives. Thanks so much. Thanks so much for listening, everybody. Email us as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.