THOUGHTCRIME Ep. 83 — The Doll Debate? Black Women Statues?
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Okay, everybody, welcome. It is Thought Crime Thursday. We have Blake, Tyler, and we have Jack live from Rome. It is conclave week or month or season or decade. Yeah. Is it Thought Crime Friday for Jack now? It could be. Who knows? We're going to have a debate about dolls, Charlie. So this is all in response to a thing that happened last week.

And I thought it would be fruitful for discussion. So this was obviously with Trump's tariffs. People are talking, will prices go up on things? Will manufacturing move back here? And they asked Trump about this and he had some interesting comments. So we have two Trump clips that we're going to play real quickly to set it up. So this was, I think, Trump in the Oval Office initially or somewhere. Let's play clip 343. Look, right now, and I told you before, they're having tremendous difficulty because their factories are not doing business anymore.

They made a trillion dollars with Biden, a trillion dollars, even a trillion won with Biden selling us stuff. Much of it we don't need. You know, somebody said, oh, the shelves are going to be open. Well, maybe the children will have two dolls instead of 30 dolls, you know, and maybe the two dolls will cost a couple of bucks more than they would normally. And then they asked him more about this a short time later, I think, on Air Force One. And so he said some more. So let's do clip 344.

All I'm saying is that a young lady, a 10-year-old girl, 9-year-old girl, 15-year-old girl doesn't need $37. She can be very happy with two or three or four or five. Let's not waste a lot of time on stupid questions. What else?

Okay, the audio quality was really poor there. He was saying, these girls, an 8-year-old girl, a 15-year-old girl, they don't need 37 dolls, which is already pretty funny. Do 15-year-old girls still play with dolls? I don't know, but I can tell you that my daughter really likes dolls. Does she have 30 dolls? Not that many. No comment? More than 10, less than 20. Would you agree, Tyler, that young girls, young daughters really like dolls? One is not sufficient. Okay.

No, my kids' beds, they've got stuffed animals and dolls that, like, come. Legion. You have to, like, bring them to get to them. 100%. So when little girls play house, if they have that many dolls, do they still play house with, like, four people? Or are they having, like, giant soirees with lots of people? No, no, we have, like, we have Mormon house. Ooh, all right.

So it's like 20 people around. It's like old Catholic house when she plays house. All right. So I wanted us to talk about that because I thought it was interesting. This is a topic like Tucker Carlson will talk about a lot that it's like due to globalization, due to outsourcing, a kind of side effect people will attack is sort of the profusion of –

What people say is like Chinese slop or Chinese junk is often what they'll say, that you can go to Walmart and you can get tons of stuff really cheap, but you are just piling up tons of stuff. And I think Trump is getting at that with his response, which is we're trying to move manufacturing back in America. And yeah, maybe you'll have a lot less stuff as a result because it will be more expensive. And yeah.

I thought it'd be interesting for us to discuss because is that one? Is that are we actually correct that that's what we want? And two, are people going to be on board with it? Maybe people are just going to be really mad if they can't have. I think people are going to be very mad about. I mean, look, I mean, we're very blessed in our family. We can we can afford as many dolls as possible. Jon Stewart is very mad. F you for telling the American people. Why doesn't he ever say you don't need three hundred fifty dollars? Maybe you just need 10. He gets very, very mad about it.

And so what I think Trump is making a bigger argument, though, is that would you I mean, would you rather have a quality made product? I will say this, though, in Trump's favor. And I wish Andrew was on here and Tyler would agree. The Chinese dolls that just happened to appear in my home that I did not order. People give them to us or, you know, we just order on Amazon. These things fall apart. I mean, they do not last. The dirt. I mean, there is a there. There is a remarkable difference between.

When we buy like a higher quality Western made toy, that's like from a place that actually cares, uh,

I mean, the doll made in China might last like a week. I see Jack on his computer because Jack has sons. Jack has no idea what we're talking about, those of us that have. I really don't, to tell you the truth. No, it's fine. Toys in general, sure. Toys in general, sure. But dolls, I'm like, eh. It's fine. I will actually go out of my way to buy a more expensive toy that I think kids will like.

Instead of because I hate I actually it drives me crazy, like for birthdays and stuff like that, when people will gift like just like the cheap whatever all the time or like or like our girls will go hang out with grandma and grandpa and they'll go they'll get something every time they go out somewhere and it's something cheap. It's probably from China. And they fall like you just said, they fall apart, their hair pulls out. They look they look just a little bit off.

They're not nice. They're not special. Right. And they like replace them literally every other day. And so Trump's point is kind of right where it's like, we don't, you don't need 500 Chinese dolls. You need, you know, maybe five. Yeah. Yeah. People are hung up on the numbers, but like,

like have fewer nicer toys instead of the junk that they're sending over and you know they're just shoving in our kids faces and have you seen some of these like brats dolls and like these other things i think we've talked about before on the show like these things are like wretched looking things they actually are scary like i like i wrote the other day like

My little girl had one of those stupid Bratz dolls. I can't remember what's the other one called. But I picked it up. I was like, oh, my. What is wrong with that thing? That thing is scary. Have you seen these things? I totally agree. These Bratz dolls? I'm not a fan. They're hideous.

Oh, LOL dolls. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. LOL dolls are are heinous. They are. They should be criminalized. We shouldn't have. Yeah, I'm going to go further than Trump. Forget forget two dollars. You should have zero LOL dolls. Those things are those things are heinous, hideous. I will say, though, that outside of dolls and I don't know, actually, my son's not old enough yet to be in this phase. Stuffed animals are a huge part of human development.

Jack, do young boys like stuffed animals as well? My son's only a year, so he's not quite there yet. So, Jack, are stuffed animals big for young boys too? I think Jack is frozen. Look at these things. Look at the LOL dolls that Angela was talking about. These things are heinous. Oh, my gosh. This is what Trump's talking about. No more of those. We should deport these things. We need to deport LOL dolls.

Yeah, I am worried the overall mentality could backfire because I do think people tend to own too much stuff. But I do think that's just... I don't really blame China for it. I think that's just a values thing. Like, people amass too much stuff and...

Yeah, people pile up a lot of stuff. And I think people like it's especially interesting to see this go because I think there's been on the right a lot of negative reaction when the left has said similar things. I mean, if you want one, we've heard before you've heard people on left say, like, who needs to own that many guns? Yes. Correct. And they'll say that. Or you could easily say, like, you could imagine them saying, like, nobody actually needs to own two cars. Correct. I can think of a lot of reasons someone would want to own two cars and so on. Like, in the end.

The entire idea of modernity is overall it is good to make more stuff. It is good to be more productive. It is good to have more energy. It's better to have excess than deficit. Yeah. And there can be a problem of excess.

But like, you know, we have obesity now, but I think we could agree it would be bad if, you know, Trump was going around saying it's just like, look, maybe you'll only have 1400 calories a day. You might you might have to slim down a little bit like that would be bad. We would be starving, but would not would not be good.

So how do you think the politics of this plays out, Tyler? Yeah, I think this is going to be the attack that we're going to see over and over with Trump. It's just like everything that they can possibly find that's going to upset, you know, especially moms. I think the entire vector here when I was looking at this was everything that they're going to do is they're just going to try to go deeper on female turnout in the 2026 election.

And beyond that, quite frankly, because they're seeing the trends. They know what's up. We won because the things that upset men got more men to turn out. And we won because of that and the influence that men have in those households. They're going to try to go on the white female with a college degree, what upsets them the most. And ding, ding, ding, it's take toys away from my children because we know millennials will

will give their children anything because, you know, they were, they felt like they were withheld from, from, you know, the, the baby boomers that, that were their parents. So this is, this is the problem that we're going to have over and over. We got to figure out the talking points against it and come, I think come out hard against them and be like, no, that's not true. Uh, here's what is going to happen because of Trump policy X, Y, and Z, uh,

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Okay, let's go to the next topic here, which kind of ties a little bit into it, right? Of which we, you know, dolls to statues. Is that right? Dolls to statues. I have to be honest with you guys. Blake was sending this stuff this morning. And this is a very real good, this is a good learning lesson. I thought it was AI.

Because, look, first of all, I'm distracted. I'm watching CBS conclave coverage. Very mesmerized by it, by the way. They're talking about raw dogging. They're actually talking about election integrity. CBS did an entire segment on what they eat in the conclave, which, by the way, is pasta with just butter and a little bit of Parmesan cheese. And that's all they feed them. No variety whatsoever.

And no ravioli because they say that they could have little messages put in the ravioli. I'm not going to do a whole segment on that. And then Blake is sending us these pictures of these like overweight black women statues. And I'm like, okay, this is obviously AI slop. This is some boomer thing to get boomers mad.

But turns out I was wrong. I got fooled by reality. Blake, what's going on here? All right. So the specific story that went on today is that there is a new statue that has gone up in Times Square. They have found a way to make Times Square even tackier than before. And so they have put up a 12-foot tall bronze statue. It is called Grounded in the Stars. Let's see. The actual line from the people who put it up, the Times Square arts group says...

installed at ground level on a wide low base the work invites engagement with the hundreds of thousands of people who traverse the plazas each day the woman and grounded in the stars cuts a stark contrast to the pedestaled permanent monuments both white

both men, which bookend Duffy Square while embodying a quiet gravity and grandeur. Now, first of all, it is true. There are statues of white guys in Duffy Square. I believe Duffy himself is a priest who fought and who was in, not fought, but like was a chaplain in World War I and was a quite heroic figure. And that is why they decided to build a statue to them. Generally, you build statues to

public heroes that you want to honor or remember but we skipped just past that and we just kind of made a statue of a glowering angry woman at the DMV and what's funny about it is as you said it feels like there's a lot of these out there like they put a lot of these statues up and they're like very often of this specific format of like an angry person just kind of glaring at you there's one in Rotterdam in the Netherlands that's just

Again, kind of like this black woman with a sullen expression on her face. There's one in southern Britain where it's like a woman on her phone. There's a couple of people just on their phones. And some of them are just...

actually really crazy looking. There's one that's like a giant... It's like the Sphinx that you'd see in Egypt. Where is this one? That one was put up in Rockefeller Center for a while. Come on. It's gone. There's that Sphinx. It's the Sphinx, except that... Actually, I could go back. It's the Sphinx, except it kind of has a stereotypical...

mammy look like that old kind of slave caricature that they would have and they put it on a sphinx and if you see the whole thing it also has very sexualized features like it has this like big booty in the back and this is like a piece of art that they said was empowering for black people when I look at that and I would think if

Like, a white supremacist had created this statue. It would be totally... If David Duke was in charge... Yeah, like, this is a super... Like, this is an outrageously offensive statue that, like...

cashes in on all of these gross stereotypes and caricatures, except no, we put it up and we called it progress. And there was a similar one that they showed up there. And it's like the statue of Zeus at Olympia. It's called Oracle. They put this up in the Rockefeller center, I believe temporarily. I don't think it's there anymore. And it's like a Greek statue, except it has this gigantic kind of African statue style head on top of it.

And it's the same deal. Like that's a valid art form, but they, they deliberately do do it in ways, uh, that make you raise one eyebrow or the other eyebrow or both eyebrows and a

A very funny response. I think it was Matt Walsh. Did Matt Walsh tweet this? Matt's been great. He said they put these up because the left can't have any actual heroes because everything before 2005 is suspect. I mean, we ripped down Abraham Lincoln statues because he was racist, apparently. In fact, when you were in...

We were in Boston the other time and there was that there was an empty pedestal near where we were staying. And it was because that's where the Lincoln Emancipation Statue was. And they took it down and you can see Lincoln is right. It looks like it looks like it's a frickin grave as a result because there's no statue on top of it. So they don't have any heroes. No one's OK. So you just have to put up statues of kind of angry people glaring at you because that is that is liberal art.

Let's talk more about Tyler, your thoughts, and then I want to go a little deeper because there is something important. I was going to say that was my favorite part. It was like her hands are on her hips and she's like looking down on everyone. You know, that's the interesting pick. She's like in a t-shirt, hands on her hips. This is not like...

You know, you would think that if it was we were celebrating black culture, you would have statues erected. I mean, this is not cheap. I mean, we've looked into some of this before, Charlie, like on Turning Points campus. You know, casting a bronze statue of that size is like is a pretty expensive endeavor today, you know, with Biden, post-Biden inflation, everything else. This is not. Why wouldn't you pick somebody with any kind of historical significance to

to celebrate like it could be anybody like somebody that is meaningful you know they actually went like kind of the cheapest route and i just don't i don't get it i don't i don't think there's anyone that has any kind of common sense that looks at this and goes wow that's beautiful or wow i'm really proud of that or that makes me celebrate my culture even this is like a it's a crazy you know almost bigoted thing that they're doing to try to incite

This race division that, you know, should be totally rejected.

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Like just us saying this on our show, the base of the Democrat Party has said this, that we must lift up black women, that black women must be at the forefront, that basically in progressive folklore or storytelling, black women are portrayed as like the truth tellers and the caretakers of democracy. Yeah, yeah. Right? Yeah.

black women, if they're not black trans women, because I think Elizabeth Warren said they were the bedrock of our democracy. That's right. Stacey Deidre was like the face of all of that. They really leaned into that for that reason during that time. But it is the inversion of

What they consider to be white supremacy. So what is the group that is at the opposite of a white Anglo-Saxon Protestant man? Which we are. Well, not Protestant, but you're Catholic, but whatever. Is black women. And so the elevation of black womanism is this. Exactly. And I sent a clip in the chat that I want them to load up here. And not only that, but black women on the left...

expect to be worshipped as much as they are worshipped. And that's what's so important is not that just that they get worshipped on the left and black womanism is the faith of the radical left, that basically black women are the clerics of the religion of American leftism. Let's play cut 358 of she wants to be the pope of American leftism. Play cut 358. This is a PSA.

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There's a podcast called literally that's just called Listen to Black Women. Oh, no, no, no. It's a real thing on the left. This is not just us being, you know, politically provocative. Yeah, this is a very real like it really is kind of like it's like, you know, they're the core of the black women lead where America follows. Like it really is. And it is focused specifically on women, especially, too. It's not even like.

black people generally black men it is this black women thing if it's not specifically black trans women you will sometimes hear that specific subset uh i don't i don't know how they got that one that was like a very peak 2019 2020 episode i was it elizabeth warren who said that it was like

They said that they were like the bedrock of our democracy. I know Warren said she was going to read the names of every black trans woman murdered in America in the Rose Garden every year if she became president. That would have been quite the ceremony, I suppose. But so from a – and I want to get Tyler in on this. But politically, Tyler, what are they thinking? Black women are –

6% of the American population-ish, 6% to 7%. Why the pandering to 7% of the population? Well, I think, I mean, you hit the nail on the head. This is just the antithesis of the white man. So whatever the left, the left wants to construct everything in complete opposition to whatever they hate or they want to target and whatever. So you just, you hit it. You have white men who

And I wouldn't be surprised if they go older because it's a young white man now they hate. So old black women are the complete opposite. And that's how they have to run all of their political identity through. And they've done this now to us for a significant amount of time. I think this is the first time we're seeing people push back and go, no, no, no, no. I am soaked over racism.

This, this, the race baiting, the pushing, whatever. I like people not because of the color of their skin, but because of who they are and this entire concept. And we saw this a few years ago during the, I mean, the BLM riots and everything else. It was like, you can't shop at white stores anymore. You have to shop at black, black, small businesses. Remember where they were pushing all this. And on Netflix, it was, it was, uh, you know, all of the, uh,

the movies that were by produced by black lesbian, uh, directors. And this is, this is the stuff again, this, this stuff just doesn't work. And the more that I think they keep pushing this, the further that it repels, uh, you know, normal people who are just like, this is, this is like, so 2020, this is so 2019, uh, we're not doing this anymore.

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So, Blake, the mythical quality here. I mean, there is almost like a mystique to black women. Like, they will save us. That they are worthy of almost sacrament. What is that? It's a few things. I mean, one is they are the most bedrock...

part of the left's coalition i mean you can see that most loyal yeah they are you can see that chart they are the ones who are going but sometimes 98 percent though it it is it is like there's an element of like so there's the fact that they are the 98 liberal ones but yeah beyond that as you say it is that it's like it's the polar opposite of you know all the things that we're tearing down in america which is you know like white men so you go to the opposite of that

Maybe Jack has some thoughts on what drives it too. What I think of is how the fact that I think they're the one group in America you can just overtly say, oh, we're doing a diversity hire on this one. Biden came out and said, I'm going to pick a black woman to the Supreme Court. I'm not going to pick the most qualified person. He could have said, I'm going to pick a woman. I'm going to pick someone who's not a white male. But he didn't do that. He said specifically black women. Everyone else, 94% of America need not...

Apply, period. Just not allowed to compete. And it was kind of like that with his veep. He didn't overtly promise, but it was sort of widely assumed he had to pick a black woman as his vice president in 2020, that that was the under the table deal he made, you know, with to win the South Carolina endorsement.

But, yeah, I think we have Jack back. So maybe he could comment on what's. Yeah, Jack, what is the philosophical basis of black womanism? Yeah, thanks, guys. I was gone for a little bit. Just want to let you know they did offer me the papacy. But I said, no, guys, I got a thought crime show to do. So, you know, maybe maybe next time. No. So. So, Charlie, what's going on here is there is a civil religion.

a civic religion, if you will, that's been promulgated in the United States since the 1960s. And it's been in the countercultural revolution, the countercultural moment, where, as you were saying before, the WASP is considered the most hated figure in America, and therefore the inversion of that must be the greatest. And there's something that, I mentioned this on Tucker once, that it's always just

absolutely fascinated me that Jeffrey Dahmer, the, uh, serial killer cannibal, uh, you know, heinous horrific things that he did. He confesses his crimes to the police, uh, chopped up his victims, ate them in some cases, kept their body parts and others yet in later on in an interview. So he would give these interviews from, uh, from prison and, uh, and things like that. He, he emphasized that even though the vast majority of his victims were, uh,

young men of color, that he was not a racist. And it was emphatic for him to, uh, to make sure that he knew and that everybody knew that he was not a racist. He may have killed them. He may have chopped up their body parts. He may have eaten some of their body parts, but please, please don't let anyone believe that he's a despicable racist. And I,

I honestly just think that it says more about what we place value on as a society where we would actually consider all those crimes to be lesser than to committing the crime of doing a racism or being accused of doing a racism. And this, of course, is our civic religion in the United States. We are we and the West writ large are the only places in the world that think this way, that we invert everything and we make everything possible.

All the time about race rather than base things off of merit or just simply base the judgments of, you know, somebody's actions like, oh, I don't know, murder and cannibalism. But since the 1960s, this has been our civil religion. OK, let's go a couple of pieces of tape. Let's start with 360 WNBA player Paige Booker's getting an award saying the following play cut 360.

With the light that I have now, as a white woman who leads a black-led sport and celebrated here, I want to show a light on black women. They don't get the media coverage that they deserve. All they do is get media coverage. Let me rephrase what she's saying. Let me just really quick. She's like, as a white woman who's currently being held hostage by all my black teammates getting this award, I'd like to say thank you to my captors. I'm blinking twice.

She's literally being held hostage getting this award. That's what that is. It's not even just like, oh, that they might be socially isolated. You'll see these things like, wasn't it? Caitlin Clark was like practically getting assaulted on the court. A hundred percent. All this. By the way, they did that. They did. They made an example out of Caitlin Clark for that reason. She doesn't want to get the crap beat out of her. And women can't stand that as much as men. When men get the crap beat out of them, they rally together. They get stronger. Women do not like being socially isolated.

That is the worst thing for a female is to be socially isolated. If we want to have a thought crime, we could be like, are women built for team sports? I mean, Caitlin Clark honestly isn't. I'm not saying she's bad. She's a phenomenal athlete. Someone hard follows your star in the NFL and it's like a melee and like 27 players get suspended and there's all these fines. Like do NBA players, do WNBA players get in fights if someone gets suspended?

Gets mugged on the court? Yeah, but Kaitlyn Clark's a great example, which is that... So she's a great athlete, objectively one of the best...

basketball players of a generation for women. And she then gets bullied by her teammates and by other opponents. And then she bends the knee to black worship. And she does. She was like, basically like, I'm so racist. I need to learn my privilege. Look, so she basically allowed this to master her. And you look at, I mean, would Larry Bird take that? No. I mean, I don't think so. Would Pistol Pete? I'm just thinking of like white players that

Would Luke up? Maybe, maybe not. It's not a criticism of women. Women just tend to be more agreeable and they tend to be more sensitive to group social dynamics. We had a one of the clerics of the Democrat religion visit us in San Francisco. Play cut 361. I love you. And, you know, I think you really want a big black. Well, you seem pleasant. Are you married? Was your mom married? Are you? Because I got a call from the doctor. She missed her abortion.

You seem so sweet. Charlie, you seem so stiff and white. Do you have a stick up your ass? Is there something wrong with being white? Charlie, is there something wrong with a stick in your ass is what I'm asking. I love you, Charlie. You're the best comedian. You're the best comedian on. Do you want a hat? You're the best one. She wants a hat. Can you wear it? That is one of the high priestesses of the American left.

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Never mind. Play cut 362. As black women are pained because it's almost like nobody ever gave us permission to do that. And does anyone care? Yeah, there's no, they care. If we knew, I think we would care if we knew, if we knew. Or, you know, yeah. And, and we have to ask ourselves, are the men in our lives is, is,

You know, why wait to be asked? You know, it seems like what we go through is pretty obvious. I mean, maybe we're not complaining, but we're actually living life out loud. You know, you know, she almost said asked correctly. She got so close. She was so close. And then she went axed. She was so close.

You could tell that she was... She has to say it that way. Right? She corrected herself. Okay, let me just have a couple thoughts and then we'll throw it into the gang here. Number one, she does not seem like a formidable political candidate ever. I mean, just that whole clip. Yeah, well, black women need permission to complain. Number two, what's happening to her brother? Like, what is this whole thing where he's kind of just like becoming a woman? It's very strange. And...

Number three, do you ever know that it is black men that are reluctant to camp to complain? Reluctant to complain. You see, I do feel like you do hear that one a lot where it's just like they've been told to be quiet for too long. And like who who is telling them to be quiet? We're not even telling them to be quiet. We're just sort of commenting about.

What is that you said? And there, and the strange looking statues. And even with the statues, like if you want to put up a statue to Rosa Parks, that's,

go ahead it's that it's like you're putting up a statue to literally nothing you're putting up a statue to someone glaring at you i would find it rather strange if we just had like a white guy statue and he's like staring ominously at you we'd we'd probably say it looks like big brother like would you want a big bronze of that guy just like eyeballing you on times square we'd be like wow i guess we live in a dictatorship now i but wait a minute wait a minute

I just had a great idea for Charlie for when you do these campus things, you should, uh, but like the night before the, the event is supposed to take place, just get like a giant bronze Charlie Kirk statue and have people put it up somewhere on campus and

And then just have like, don't go there. Don't go there. Right. But have like, you know, it doesn't be bronze. It'd be some cheaper thing, whatever. But but don't go there. Just film what happens to the statue. Like have a drone like getting footage and just watch the insanity. I guarantee you, it would drive people completely nuts. And hey, just free content.

We should make it bronze so it's indestructible. No, no, it should be bronze and make it indestructible. Then watch how long and how hard they try to make. Oh, yeah, that's good. So it can actually hurt them. Yeah.

Here is, and we'll close with this. We're a little over time. This is how a man, Larry Bird, stood up to bullying back in the NBA versus WNBA players. Play cut 364. Larry Bird and Bill Laimbeer have both been ejected from the game.

Now there's Bird throwing the ball at Lambert and Rodman coming over. Seasting and 24 second clock goes down and Bird and Lambert go at it.

I don't remember Larry Bird getting as angry as I saw him now. Bird would stand for getting pulled down on a layup, but not on a play like that with the clock running down. And he really got taken down very hard. And, of course, Bird is very upset at Lambert and has been for a long time. Now Rodman goes after Bird after Bird threw the ball. This thing's out of control. How many...

You're big on Michael Jordan being the greatest of all time. How many times did he beat Larry Bird in the playoffs? As a coach or player? Was Michael Jordan a coach? Larry Bird was with the Pacers. Yeah, but did he coach against Jordan? Yeah. Oh, did he? I didn't know that. Multiple times, yeah. Okay. But how about as a player, though? Not very well. It's when Jordan was still young. He was developing. He was a young gun. Jordan, he got better when Rodman left the Pistons.

Rodman was a crazy person. He got better or he became able to defeat the Pistons? No, because it improved his game significantly. The Pistons were like his nemesis. Yeah, they beat him three years in a row, right? I think. Yeah, no, it was this amazing story. And Jordan was 15 pounds lighter. I think he was like 1.5.

He was tiny. 180? He was tiny. And he put on like 15 pounds of muscle because the Pistons were just throwing him around, right? Just throwing him around. They went and got Rodman. He put on 15 pounds of muscle, and they finally overcame Isaiah Thomas and the Pistons. They only had Rodman for the second three-peat, right? The first one, they didn't have Rodman. They did not. No, the first three-peat. That was just Scotty Pippen. That's correct. Only Scotty was there for all six. What if...

Charlie, just hear me out on this idea. The NBA people have said the NBA is getting stale because it's all just dunks or three point shots or layups and there's no like middle game. What if we put a statue of a frowning black woman at the three point line and it like moved back and forth along the three point line, making it more difficult to take three point shots? This is where we're heading.

I could not tell you a single thing that's happened in the NBA playoffs right now. Could you? Yeah, because there's no statue of a black woman. That's the problem. That is the problem. That would fix it. If complaining was a currency, they'd all be billionaires. Final thoughts, guys.

I want a giant bronze statue of Charlie Kirk because I could just think of so many funny things to do with that man. Then again, I am here and I remind myself I am sitting in front of St. Peter's Basilica and I'm very excited to go to mass there tomorrow morning. Wow. Great for you. All right. Till next time, guys. Keep committing thought crimes. Black womanism is simply a counterfeit left wing religion for real religions as Jack is in.

Their only real religion, which is Christianity. And he is in Rome. So we'll pray for Jack's safety and wisdom there. God bless you guys. Keep on committing thought crimes. Talk to you soon. Thanks so much for listening, everyone. Email us, as always, freedom at charliekirk.com. Thanks so much for listening, and God bless. For more on many of these stories and news you can trust, go to charliekirk.com.