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Who Rules: The People or the Parliamentarian?

2025/6/30
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Charlie Kirk: 我认为，参议院议事员伊丽莎白·麦克多诺的权力过大，她不应该阻止禁止非法移民获得食品券的条款。参议院应该推翻她的决定，因为这是一个关系到国家根本利益的问题。我们不能允许一个未经选举的参议院工作人员来决定美国的政策，这违背了民主原则。我呼吁共和党参议员们采取强硬手段，必要时可以考虑解雇议事员，或者修改参议院规则，以确保人民的意志能够得到体现。我们必须坚决反对非法移民获得公共福利，这是一条不可逾越的红线。 Markwayne Mullin: 作为参议员，我理解大家对议事员的裁决感到沮丧。但是，我们需要理解参议院的规则和程序。伯德规则限制了我们在协调程序中可以处理的事项，它要求我们只能处理与税收和强制性支出有关的事项，而不能涉及政策。议事员认为，禁止非法移民获得食品券的条款属于政策范畴，应该在拨款法案中处理。要推翻议事员的裁决，需要60票，这意味着我们需要得到民主党人的支持，但这几乎是不可能的。虽然我们可以尝试修改法案的措辞，使其符合伯德规则，但这可能会改变我们的目标。参议院的规则确实需要修改，但这需要得到参议院三分之二的多数同意，这使得改革变得非常困难。我理解大家希望采取更强硬的手段，但我认为我们需要在规则框架内寻求解决方案。

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After months of struggle, the Big Beautiful Bill has finally passed a key Senate vote and is on the brink of finally becoming the Big Beautiful Law. But even now, one great obstacle exits: What the bill is actually allowed to do, according to the decisions of the once-obscure Senate parliamentarian. Charlie asks Sen. Markwayne Mullin about where the BBB is headed, then asks the more profound question of who is actually calling the shots right now in the U.S. Senate. Do lawmakers decide, or one unelected functionary?

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