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Selects: The Three Christs of Ypsilanti Experiment

2024/12/28
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Josh: 本期节目回顾了2021年播客节目,该节目探讨了心理学史上最不道德的实验之一——“三个基督”实验。该实验将三位自认为是基督的患者聚集在一起,观察他们的互动。实验结果既是对人性的控诉,也是对人性的肯定。实验设计者米尔顿·罗基奇博士试图通过挑战患者的妄想来改变他们的身份认同,但他最终未能成功,反而暴露了自己的伦理缺陷。 实验参与者包括约瑟夫·卡塞尔(58岁)、克莱德·本森(70岁)和莱昂(38岁),他们的真实姓名被更改了。约瑟夫童年经历坎坷,父亲对他进行虐待,最终被送入精神病院,并自认为是上帝或耶稣基督。克莱德童年被过度保护,缺乏独立生活能力,后酗酒并患有妄想型精神分裂症。莱昂曾有过正常的生活,但后来患病并出现幻听,自认为是耶稣基督。 罗基奇为吸引实验参与者,为他们提供了优越的条件,使他们成为自愿参与者。然而,实验过程充满了不道德之处。罗基奇试图通过扮演参与者的妄想人物(如莱昂的妻子“叶提夫人”和约瑟夫的父亲“约德医生”),来影响他们的妄想,甚至给约瑟夫服用安慰剂。莱昂识破了罗基奇的骗局,并拒绝了其干预。最终,实验失败,三位参与者的妄想并未得到改变,反而受到了伤害。 罗基奇的两名研究生助理因不满实验的伦理问题而辞职。罗基奇本人在晚年承认了实验的不道德性,并改变了自己的研究方法。 Chuck: 我在大学心理学课上学习过“三个基督”实验,并对此很感兴趣。电影《三个基督》对实验进行了过度美化,未能真实呈现实验的残酷性。米尔顿·罗基奇认为个体身份认同是由一系列不同的信念构成的。他通过一次家庭晚餐的经历,发现挑战孩子的身份认同会带来负面后果。他将个体身份认同归类为原始信念,即一些基本的、普遍认同的真理。 20世纪中叶的美国,精神病人被关押在州立精神病院,他们的权利受到限制。罗基奇认为,在精神病人身上进行身份认同挑战实验是可行的,因为他认为他们的生活“基本上毫无用处”。罗基奇受到一篇关于两位自认为是圣母玛利亚的女性的报道启发,产生了进行“三个基督”实验的想法。伏尔泰笔下的人物西蒙·莫林的故事也启发了他。 实验中,罗基奇试图通过激化参与者之间的矛盾来改变他们的妄想,但他未能成功。参与者之间表现出了意想不到的尊重和理解。罗基奇在实验后期,扮演参与者的妄想人物,试图影响他们的妄想,但最终失败了。 罗基奇在晚年承认了实验的不道德性,并改变了自己的研究方法。他开始关注个人的价值观和信念,并通过引导他们进行自我反省来帮助他们成长。尽管如此,实验对参与者造成的伤害是不可逆转的。

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What was the Three Christs of Ypsilanti experiment and why is it considered unethical?

The Three Christs of Ypsilanti was a psychological experiment conducted in the early 1960s by Dr. Milton Rokeach. He brought together three men who each believed they were Jesus Christ to challenge their delusions. The experiment is considered unethical because it manipulated the identities of mentally ill patients without regard for their well-being, causing emotional distress and worsening their conditions.

Who were the three participants in the Three Christs of Ypsilanti experiment?

The three participants were Joseph Cassell, Clyde Benson, and Leon. Joseph was a 58-year-old Canadian who believed he was God, Clyde was a 70-year-old alcoholic with paranoid schizophrenia who claimed to be Jesus Christ, and Leon was a 38-year-old World War II veteran who believed he was Jesus Christ and had a complex delusional system involving multiple identities.

What was Dr. Milton Rokeach's hypothesis in the Three Christs of Ypsilanti experiment?

Dr. Rokeach hypothesized that by confronting the three men with each other's delusions, he could challenge their beliefs and potentially bring them back to reality. He believed that exposing them to others who claimed the same identity would force them to question their own delusions.

How did the participants react to being confronted with each other's delusions?

Initially, the participants dug in and reinforced their own beliefs, each insisting they were the true Christ. Over time, they developed a live-and-let-live approach, avoiding direct confrontation and respecting each other's delusions, which demonstrated unexpected empathy and mutual respect.

What unethical tactics did Dr. Rokeach use during the experiment?

Dr. Rokeach employed several unethical tactics, including posing as authority figures from the participants' delusions (e.g., writing letters as Leon's 'wife' Madame Yeti Woman and Joseph's 'father' Dr. Yoder), administering placebos, and emotionally manipulating the participants to challenge their identities. These actions caused significant emotional harm.

What was the outcome of the Three Christs of Ypsilanti experiment?

The experiment failed to achieve its goal of curing the participants' delusions. Instead, it caused emotional distress and worsened their conditions. Dr. Rokeach later admitted the experiment was unethical and regretted his actions, acknowledging that he had played God with the lives of vulnerable individuals.

How did Dr. Rokeach's views on psychology change after the experiment?

After the experiment, Dr. Rokeach shifted his focus to self-confrontation and self-examination techniques, encouraging individuals to reflect on their beliefs and values. He moved away from manipulative experiments and focused on helping people improve themselves through introspection rather than external coercion.

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In the early 1960s, one of the most unethical experiments in psychology’s history was quietly conducted in a state hospital in Michigan. It sought to upend the delusions of the three patients involved, but ultimately disabused the experimenter of his own. Tune in to this classic episode to hear Josh and Chuck explore this disturbing project.

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