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著名财务顾问和媒体人物，创立了广受欢迎的“婴儿步骤”财务计划。
Josh: 我从小就听说过"贝拉在女巫榆树中"这个案子，但对细节并不了解。这个案件吸引人的地方在于它与巫术或异教邪教的联系，但实际上并非如此。案件的信息来源很多，但需要谨慎甄别，因为很多说法是杜撰或夸大的。受害者不可能自己爬进树洞里，她是被放置进去的，可能还活着。范·拉尔特是如何知道那棵树以及树洞尺寸的，这是一个疑问。尤娜的故事是目前为止最合理的解释，尽管案件仍然悬而未决。麦考密克的理论过于巧合，缺乏可靠性。麦考密克书中使用的树的照片并非案发现场的那棵树。《独立报》的理论存在问题，克拉拉·鲍尔利的身高与受害者不符，而且她死于贝拉之后。目前无法进行DNA检测，因为相关样本可能丢失了。这个案件有很多信息需要进一步了解，但需要注意信息来源的可靠性。
Chuck: 法医詹姆斯·韦伯斯特对受害者遗体进行了检查，得出了一些基本结论。通过对遗体的检查，可以推断受害者是一名大约35岁、身高五英尺的女性，头发为棕色。法医认为这是一起谋杀案，因为受害者的下颌骨里塞着一块塔夫绸，这可能导致窒息。警方最初的调查很彻底，但由于缺乏线索，案件一度陷入冷冻状态。1953年，记者威尔弗雷德·比福德-琼斯发表了一系列关于贝拉谋杀案的推测性文章，导致了更多的误解和虚假信息。一位读者安娜·克莱弗利给比福德-琼斯写信，提供了关于此案的一些信息。安娜的信中提到，凶手在1942年因精神错乱而死，受害者是荷兰人，1941年非法进入英国。尤娜的故事是目前为止最合理的解释，她没有从中获得任何好处，并且匿名写信并拒绝出面。2013年，《独立报》发表了一篇关于贝拉的文章，将其与一名德国间谍约瑟夫·雅各布联系起来。雅各布身上发现了一张克拉拉·兰道（实际上是克拉拉·鲍尔利）的照片，照片背面写着"我亲爱的，我永远爱你。你的克拉拉·兰道，1940年7月"。《独立报》对雅各布和鲍尔利的故事进行了推测，但缺乏证据支持。虽然找到了克拉拉·鲍尔利的信息，但她离开英国的时间早于贝拉案发生的时间。《独立报》提出了一个新的理论，认为克拉拉·鲍尔利在英国被称为克拉拉·贝拉，并被范·拉尔特杀害。约瑟夫·雅各布的孙女吉赛尔·K·雅各布对贝拉案进行了深入研究。
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Josh: 'I'm not sure why or where it first got me, but I'm pretty sure...'
Josh: 'But I didn't know any of the details, really. And it's a truly fascinating case that I think one of the things that makes it appealing, too, is there's this level of...'
Chuck: 'Because there's one thing to know about this case. It has been...hijacked and molded in all sorts of different ways...'
Chuck: 'He was, he firsthand examined the body. That's right. So he cut this tree open...'
Josh: 'Right. So Webster was like, I'm pretty sure this is a murder...'
Josh: 'He also said that there's no way that this person was placed into this tiny opening...'
Chuck: 'And so Webster said, you know, you put all this together, I'm pretty sure this is a murder that we're looking at...'
Josh: 'Their graffiti started popping up around town, around Birmingham and we'll see elsewhere with white chalk letters and all caps on these brick walls...'
Josh: 'So this is where we get the name of the victim that everybody knows and the type of tree that the victim was found in that everybody knows from graffiti...'
Chuck: 'They traced the shoe that they found with her back to the Waterfoot Company in Lancashire...'
Josh: 'You noted some other graffitis...'
Chuck: 'So the witch elm thing, for those of us who aren't familiar with British trees...'
Chuck: 'And yet, there's been an association with witchcraft and this case, at least in part because of that...'
Josh: 'Yeah, it's nothing like what it sounds like with the Hand of Glory...'
Josh: 'And then even more so, there was no hand found there, severed from the body...'
Chuck: 'let's jump forward a little bit to 1953 where the story takes a turn...'
Chuck: 'A lot of it had to do with witches, of course, and blaming stuff on the Romani people...'
Chuck: 'I'll just read it real quick...'
Josh: 'Yeah, and Anna's name was Una Mossop...'
Josh: 'And apparently Jack was feeding him information about local factories and stuff to help the Luftwaffe plan their bombings...'
Josh: 'So Una said one day Jack came home...'
Josh: 'But eventually Una said, I'm out of here and I'm leaving you...'
Chuck: 'Yeah, he died of, as far as his death certificate is concerned...'
Josh: 'One of the things is, though, is so like if this was a joke, what, you know, what tree?'
Josh: 'The thing is, this is far and away the most legitimate explanation for what happened...'
Chuck: 'And then we flash forward to 1968...'
Chuck: 'And here is that interview...'
Josh: 'Yeah, so Dave points out that this guy had a habit of making his puzzle pieces fit together a little too neatly...'
Josh: 'But it's really important to point out here, the tree that he shows is not the tree that she was found in...'
Chuck: 'So that's that book aside. Another twist came in 2013...'
Chuck: 'Yeah, so the cops come and he's in police custody...'
Chuck: 'Clara Landau, this picture of Clara Landau was actually a picture of Clara Bowerly...'
Chuck: 'She was apparently, as far as Josef Jacobs has said to MI5 in multiple interviews...'
Josh: 'And...This this is that's it...'
Chuck: 'And they did find information and confirm, yes, she was a cabaret singer in Germany...'
Chuck: 'So, like I was saying, the Independent came up with their own pet theory...'
Josh: 'So, yeah, so there's some problems with this theory...'
Chuck: 'So one of the good things that came out of this was of Yosef Yakov's being brought into this case...'
Josh: 'if you were wondering about DNA you know sometimes they can you know find DNA on old stuff...'
Josh: 'Well, go forth if this floated your boat and read more about Bella and the Witch Elm, the case...'
Deep Dive
Teenage boys discover a skull in a tree in Hagley Wood during WWII. A pathologist investigates, concluding it's a murder. Despite initial investigation, the case goes cold.
- Discovery of a human skull in Hagley Wood by teenage boys
- Initial investigation concludes murder
- Challenges in identifying the victim
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