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S05 Ep04: When the Cameras are On

2025/1/23
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Nobody Should Believe Me

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People
A
Andrea Dunlop
一名专注于真实犯罪和社会问题的媒体人物和作者。
C
Church Member
D
Dr. Bex
D
Dr. Jill Glick
D
Dr. Lauren Turek
G
Gymnastics Mom
H
Hippotherapy Provider
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Neighbor
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School Aide
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Sophie Hartman
Topics
Andrea Dunlop: 我和家人长期怀疑我姐姐Megan对孩子的医疗状况存在不实陈述,但由于Megan的专业背景和对信息的控制,我们很难质疑她。最终,Megan隐瞒了医生关于我外甥不需要进行胃造口手术的建议,这让我意识到她一直在撒谎,后果不堪设想。这段经历对我的生活和心理健康造成了持久的影响,即使我的生活现在很好,我也无法完全摆脱这段痛苦的回忆。人们倾向于相信自己所爱之人的话,这使得医疗虐待案件难以被发现。 Dr. Lauren Turek: 追寻教会虽然并非五旬节派,但其语言和实践方式受到五旬节派的影响,体现出其狂热和情绪化的特点。早期五旬节派信徒相信说方言是上帝的召唤,促使了该教派在全球的迅速传播。 Russell Johnson: 我们不会因为恐惧或威胁而停止聚会和敬拜上帝。 Cassandra Johnson: 我和Sophie在教会里认识,我们主要在教会活动中互动,例如儿童教会和筹款活动。教会为Sophie筹款购买了一辆无障碍车辆,我参与了宣传工作。 Gymnastics Mom: 我记得C经常佩戴腿部支具,并向其他人展示。我也记得看到C有时使用轮椅,有时佩戴腿部支具行走。 School Aide: C拥有个人轮椅,但配置方式并非适合自行动力使用者。我很少在与C进行远程物理治疗时看到C使用轮椅。 Neighbor: 我们几乎没有见过C使用轮椅,只有在拍摄纪录片时才看到。 Anne Hartman: 我见过C正常进食。 Art Hartman: 我从未见过C呕吐或无法进食。 Hippotherapy Provider: C经常谈论食物。 Church Member: C喜欢食物,但Sophie必须控制她的饮食,因为她可能会窒息。C通常情况下能够正常进食,除非她处于发病期。 Dr. Bex: 临床诊断主要依赖于病人的描述和症状,而非具体的医学检测结果。儿科医生通常依赖于父母的陈述来进行诊断,这增加了医疗虐待案件的难度。 Dr. Jill Glick: 如果一个孩子能够正常进食,那么就没有必要进行胃造口手术。大多数父母都不希望自己的孩子需要胃造口管。在医疗虐待案件中,父母的动机与医生的目标不一致,需要仔细甄别信息中的矛盾之处。电子病历系统存在缺陷,例如数据错误和系统之间缺乏互通性,这为医疗虐待的发生提供了机会。需要建立一个全国性的电子病历系统,实现数据共享和互通,以减少医疗虐待的发生。 Sophie Hartman: 她声称C由于疾病而严重行动不便,有时无法行走甚至瘫痪数小时或数天。她有时需要轮椅和助行器,但并非全天候使用。她感谢Scott Coatings公司的企业赞助,并表示无法在没有企业赞助的情况下完成这一切。她声称C的胃造口管是玛丽桥医院建议的。她持续地夸大C的呕吐、脱水等症状,并多次带C去急诊室。她进行的三次吞咽功能测试结果均显示正常或轻微异常,但Sophie却向医生报告了相反的结果。 supporting_evidences Andrea Dunlop: 'Megan is very smart, and she was a nurse for some period of time, so she would explain everything about my nephew's health in a way that would be extremely hard to question.' Andrea Dunlop: 'But during this appointment, my mom was sitting in the room when the doctor told Megan the opposite, that they should give my nephew more time with a less invasive tube.' Andrea Dunlop: 'The next day, Megan gave me an update on his health...And she told me that, unfortunately, it looked like he was going to need the G-tube surgery.' Dr. Bex: 'A clinical diagnosis is a diagnosis that relies on the story and the symptoms that are being described more than anything I can do a specific test for or a physician can do a specific test for.' Dr. Jill Glick: 'Most parents don't want a G-tube.' Sophie Hartman: 'She has a wheelchair and she has a walker. We still utilize those absolutely when she needs it. But it's not a 24-7 thing.' Sophie Hartman: 'We're so thankful to Scott Coatings for their corporate sponsorship. We couldn't do it without corporate sponsors.' Neighbor: 'The only time I've seen that kid in a wheelchair is when this film crew came and did this like documentary about her' Anne Hartman: 'Have I seen her eat? Yeah. Sandwiches, apples.' Art Hartman: 'Have you ever seen her, you know, like throwing up or unable to eat or any of those types of behaviors? I've not seen her throwing up.'

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This chapter explores the discrepancies surrounding C's medical diagnoses and the use of mobility aids. It examines inconsistencies between Sophie's reports and observations from neighbors, school aides, and family members. The chapter also delves into the role of social media in Sophie's narrative and the concerning pattern of doctor-shopping.
  • Discrepancies between Sophie's reports and observations of C's health
  • C's use of wheelchair and other mobility aids questioned
  • Sophie's extensive social media posts about C's health
  • Pattern of doctor-shopping and exaggerated reports

Shownotes Transcript

From corporate sponsorships to fundraisers large and small, Sophie Hartman was an expert at raising money for C’s various medical devices, mobility aids, and specialized treatments.

But were any of these things actually needed? 

We hear audio from the police interviews of Sophie’s next door neighbors and a school aide who note that they rarely saw C in her wheelchair. 

We also take a closer look at C’s diagnoses with friend-of -the-show (our not-so-secret Florida doctor) Dr. Bex, joins us briefly to explain the process that pediatricians go through to provide a clinical diagnosis to their patients. 

We take a closer look at the narrative Sophie weaves on Instagram, documenting her daughter C’s medical journey on both her personal account and where she posts relentlessly about C’s health and includes pictures of her G-Tube and Cecostomy Tube. We listen to reports from both Sophie’s mother and father stating that C had no trouble eating by mouth, and we’re joined by Dr. Jill Glick, a Child Abuse Pediatrician from the University of Chicago, who explains why a child who can eat normally but still has a G-Tube, as requested by a parent, is incredibly troubling.


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