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S05 Ep05: The Breaking Point

2025/1/30
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Chad Goler Sojourner
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Mary Zupanc
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Michael Lee
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Olivia LaVoie
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Sophie
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主持著名true crime播客《Crime Junkie》的播音员和创始人。
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Sophie: 我一直尽力为女儿争取最好的医疗照顾,西雅图儿童医院的医生不理解AHC的罕见性和复杂性,他们没有认真对待女儿的病情,甚至试图让我编造症状。我女儿的病情非常严重,她可能随时离开我们,我为她争取治疗是出于母爱,而不是为了寻求关注。我离开教会是因为他们对种族问题的回应让我失望。 Olivia LaVoie: 这是一个极其罕见的医疗虐待案件,Sophie的日记和行为都显示出她有说谎成瘾的问题,证据文件庞大且令人不安,Sophie的行为模式与医疗虐待的特征相符。 Michael Lee: Sophie的行为模式符合医疗虐待的特征,她不断升级女儿的医疗干预措施,并试图通过诱导病情恶化来获得关注。她对女儿病情的描述含糊不清,并提供了过多的不相关细节,这表明她试图掩盖事实。她试图收养更多患有严重疾病的孩子,也进一步佐证了她的虐待行为。 Mary Zupanc: AHC是一种罕见的神经系统疾病,其症状和诊断过程复杂多样,经常被误诊为癫痫或其他神经系统疾病。AHC的诊断依赖于临床评估、病史和家长的观察,基因检测并非总是可靠的。 Chad Goler Sojourner: 作为被白人父母收养的黑人孩子,我不确定我是否因为母亲是白人而获得了比其他孩子更好的医疗待遇。 播音员: 本案中,Sophie的行为模式、日记记录以及其他证据都指向医疗虐待。尽管AHC是一种罕见且诊断复杂的疾病,但Sophie对女儿病情的主张与医疗记录和专家意见存在严重出入。Sophie试图通过操纵女儿的病情来获得关注和同情,并试图收养更多患有严重疾病的孩子,这进一步加剧了案件的严重性。

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In 2020, the Hartmans grow even more isolated as Covid hits: Sophie pulls C out of school citing worsening health and breaks with the church community who’ve been supporting her and her daughters. 

Concerns for abuse grow as Sophie begins to push a new narrative that C has central precocious puberty (CPP), a condition that causes the body to go through puberty prematurely, After making an initial DCF report in 2019 and tracking Sophie’s demands for increasingly invasive procedures: Seattle Children’s Child Abuse Team files an official report to the Department of Children, Youth, and Families. Her daughters are subsequently placed in protective custody and Sophie is charged with assault of a child in the second degree. 

We hear from the Seattle reporter who broke the story, Olivia LaVoice and dig into the extensive documentation from the  investigation with Detective Michael Lee, a major crimes detective in Texas and co-founder of the National Crimes Against Children Investigators Association.. Andrea also talks with Dr. Mary Zupanc, a pediatric neurologist and epilepsy specialist with over 30 years of clinical and research experience with AHC. She gives listeners a better understanding of AHC by describing the history of the disorder, the various symptoms, common environmental triggers, and how clinical diagnoses of AHC are made.


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Check out Olivia LaVoice’s podcast, The Bakersfield Three: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/867-the-bakersfield-three-128074552/)

Chad Goller-Sojourner’s Sitting in Circles with Rich White Girls: Memoir of a Bulimic Black Boy*** ***will be adding show dates in spring 2025. Click HERE) for more information. 

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