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S05 Ep08: They Saw You

2025/2/20
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Andrea Dunlop
一名专注于真实犯罪和社会问题的媒体人物和作者。
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Detective Michael Lee
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Dr. Jim Hamilton
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Dr. Lauren Turek
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Olivia LaVoie
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Sophie Hartman
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Andrea Dunlop: 我制作这个节目的目的是为了揭露Sophie Hartman案件的真相，并保护她的孩子免受进一步的伤害。我姐姐Megan的经历与Sophie Hartman的经历非常相似，这让我更加关注这个案件。Sophie Hartman的诉讼充满了阴谋论的色彩，并没有提供任何新的证据。我认为法院的判决是错误的，Sophie Hartman的行为模式符合代理型孟乔森综合征的特征。我担心Sophie Hartman的女儿们的安全，特别是她们搬到北卡罗来纳州之后。 Olivia LaVoie: Sophie Hartman的案件被驳回并不意味着她无罪。人们往往会相信自己所爱的人所说的话，这使得这类案件的调查更加复杂。如果Sophie Hartman的案件庭外和解，将无法获得案件的全部信息，并且会传递错误的信号。庭外和解可能会为其他被指控虐待儿童的人创造机会主义诉讼的机会。 Detective Michael Lee: Sophie Hartman和她的律师使用了煽动性的语言来描述整个事件，这与事实不符。律师在为法庭准备文件时，没有义务说实话。由于专业人士、法官等对代理型孟乔森综合征的理解有限，律师很容易有效地辩护。我认为Sophie Hartman的女儿的病情会恶化，法院的失败导致了这种情况。 Dr. Jim Hamilton: 区分医疗虐待和其他病例的关键不在于是否有疾病的医学证据，而在于是否有证据表明监护人积极地制造虚假印象。医疗虐待是一种长期剥削性的虐待，而不是事件相关的虐待。在医疗虐待案件中，需要仔细检查病历，比较不同医生的时间线，以揭示信息被扭曲和操纵的情况。疾病的存在与否与是否发生医疗虐待几乎无关。即使是相同的客观损伤，也会导致不同的疾病行为和医疗寻求行为。 Dr. Lauren Turek: Sophie Hartman现在所在的教会是一个规模较小、氛围较为轻松的黑人福音派教会，更加关注多元化和社区服务。 Sophie Hartman: 我感谢Haven Church的支持，并表示我正在为实现系统性变革而努力。

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In our season finale, we see Sophie Hartman follow in the footsteps of the Kowalski family, Andrea’s sister Megan Carter and others, as she files a lawsuit against Seattle Children’s and the others who investigated her for Medical Child Abuse. Journalist Olivia LaVoice shares her thoughts about how this has all played out. 

We hear Sophie rebranding herself as a ‘falsely accused’ mother in a visit to her home congregation in Kalamazoo and examine the crossover between evangelical Christianity,  the parents' rights movement, and medical child abuse cases. 

We reveal what we know about where Sophie and the girls are today. 

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