Bill Kristol: People Should Be Mad

2025/6/10

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Tim Miller: 我认为我们应该对洛杉矶发生的事情更加警惕。特朗普政府在洛杉矶部署军队，并配合大规模驱逐出境的政策，这是一种前所未有的极端行为，类似于民权抗议期间面对种族隔离主义州长的情况。他们似乎迫不及待地想要这场斗争，不断增加部署的军队数量，并且正在主动地搜捕那些除了非法居留之外没有做任何违法事情的人。 Bill Kristol: 特朗普政府的言论极其不负责任。他给予国防部长开放式的授权，可以在任何时间、任何地点部署国民警卫队和现役部队应对抗议活动。一旦特朗普开了先例，他就可以反复这样做。特朗普政府声称，美国存在大规模的反抗合法权威的现象，并试图制造一场类似于民权运动危机的反向危机，以此来为他们的专制措施辩护。大规模驱逐出境是一种煽动行为，与正常的反移民法律执行截然不同。海军陆战队的介入跨越了另一条红线。妖魔化部分人口和使国内使用军事力量合法化是极权主义的特征。我对没有充分关注大规模驱逐出境的破坏性而感到内疚。特朗普喜欢“派遣军队”这种说法，这既是表演性的，也是一种专制行为。

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Where is Obama? Where is George W. Bush? A Marine battalion and the National Guard have been deployed in response to a spark Trump set off by sweeping up people who aren't doing anything illegal besides being present here. And the administration may ramp up the tension if it uses the military for domestic law enforcement purposes. At least Gavin is finally angry. Plus, MAGA is built around conspiracists and conspiracy theories, so RFK Jr can do what he wants with vaccines because he's only making doctors and public health experts mad—constituents Trump couldn't care less about.

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Bill Kristol: People Should Be Mad